Owen wanted to be second only to FIDEL.

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Did PJ Patterson in Jamaica win 4 terms? I am serious! I do not recall if 3 or 4.

Why do I feel 4?

At any rate it is instructive as to where your party’s anti-peole views may have it’s origins

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With the lowest unemployment in the history of Barbados?

You should have posted your DLP anti-Cuban comments while Thompson was there.

AH,

What does David Thompson mean when he told that Nation newspaper reproted that he and Leroy Parris are good friends “social friends and other?”

Anonymous June 5, 2009 at 1:22pm

Courtesy dictates a further response.

You said : “the thesis of your post (unless I am mistaken) is expressed…

It was wise of you to insert that “caveat” unless I am mistaken, I say, you are mistaken.

You further added: “1. Anyone is free to post comment on BU subject to the administrators approval and 2. I am not aware that any poster has been authorised to officially represent the BLP ( or any party for that matter)

Quite true, I concur.

I said: “As a party I repeat for emphasis a “great political party” is reduced to a blogger on Barbados Underground – with alleged access to those in high places in the Party -”

The important word in the word construction is “alleged” it means much hence it was inserted.

I will not infer that you have any “malicious intent” because that I do not know; but I will leave the fairness and balance of my submission for others to judge.
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Adrian the answer to your question is in the affirmative.

When is the election date?

@Knight Templar

• How come the Barbadians Mr. Thompson met while in Cuba, who have been living there for years – never came back, whether D or B was in office?
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They couldn’t afford to come back could they? Many people in Cuba rely on rations and Castro’s meager pensions are not transferrable. So if they came back would your BLP have provided them with a pension and housing?

David Thompson has the support of the majority of Barbadians on the immigration issue. He will win hands down in 2013 if the BLP continues going against the wishes of Barbadians.

If a vote was taken now the DLP will win easily because the BLP has surely lost touch with what Barbadians want for Barbados.

All sensible persons know about the economic problems being encountered by ALL countries yet the BLP using that as an attack line.

All the BLP supporters on this blog keep telling us about Caribbean intellectuals who have done nothing to improve the lives of the working class people of the Caribbean.

David Thompson at least went into politics and has been in the Barbados Parliament serving the people of St. John and now leading Barbados.

Don’t blame David Thompson for the failure of CSME. It was Norman Manley and Eric Williams who broke up the federation in 1962 because of the same jealousies that exist today with Barbados today. Know your history. Do not let any Caribbean intellectuals mislead you.

I give the DLP a passing grade up t o this point. Here is a negative on the DLP.
I believe that the DLP will lose votes for not enacting Integrity Legislation. The BLP will not get those votes. Integrity Legislation should be done because of the principle stance the party took before the elections.

If we are following the West Minister System then follow it fully. In the UK politicians come under full scrutiny and that is what Barbadians want of their politicians.

Let us see the change that you call for. The Prime minister will go down in history as one of the best if he enacts laws that stop politicians from corrupt practices.

When you read the Auditor General’s report some persons got real rich in the last eight years. The BLP has a hard job justifying some of those differences in figures given and those that are real.

@ Fairplay :
Don’t blame David Thompson for the failure of CSME. It was Norman Manley and Eric Williams who broke up the federation in 1962 because of the same jealousies that exist today with Barbados today. Know your history. Do not let any Caribbean intellectuals mislead you.
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That is correct Fairplay. Since then the efforts at integration have been to facilitate free trade within the region. Jamaica and Trinidad only want Caricom for trade. They undermine integration. Barbados’ leadership now realize is just a pipe dream as these major islands are not embracing it (e.g. CCJ). Leaders talk and talk and promise and set dates that never bring real results for the people of the Caribbean.

Thompson is just now exposing the “big lie” of Caribbean integration as he realizes it will never happen. Countries will not give up their sovereign rights for common goals…. maybe except the OECS . Now Trinidad wants to join that group.. Why… is it to scuttle CSME?

Well stop questioning P.M. Thompson’s intellect. Owen Arthur did that and lost the elections. Mr. Thompson is an excellent leader and a man who has principles. He is not perfect but I like the measured way he speaks and governs. His move to stop the high-jacking of the country by thousands of economic CSME refugees breaks no CSME or Caricom agreements. It is the correct decision based on the present status of CSME.

CSME will not have true economic integration. It will go no further in relation to unregulated free movement. Mr. Thompson is just implementing this reality first… and others will follow. Forget about the academics.. they can hardly run a classroom properly much less a country.

These are serious times requiring serious leadership, and P.M. Thompson embodies true Leadership. I am saying this as an observer as I am not a Barbadian.

Wouldn’t it take one currency to make csme work?

It wouldn’t be to productive for the country with the stronger currency because everyone will want to work there then take their money back to were they come from.

One currency have to be implemented first, before free movement of people, to insure that all involved countries can exchange goods and services equally.

Other wise the only the rich would benefit from the influx of people doing the same work for less, as the new working class would definitely be poorer and accustom to poorer standards of living therefore willing to except lower pay.

We are not ready for csme. we cant even share flyingfish with our neighbors.

Common cents would dictate that free movement of people would be the last thing to implement.

If i go in T&T all now i cant even drive with my Barbadian license, so why all the fuss about integration when even such simple measures are not put in place as yet?

It isent even cheap to travel inter-island anymore.

People, CSME ain’t gine work in the Caribbean. At least not with the type of thinking and mentalities that exist amongst Caribbean people. Maybe in a few more generations (or on Mars) when we could phase out the jealousies, hatreds, xenophobias, separatist thinking and ‘who is better than who’ ideals from our minds, maybe, and I say – just maybe – it might work. I do not care how much public discourse, representation by the political think tank and arguements for, you put forth, the type of mentalities prevailing in the Caribbean will not let it work.

Now how do we expect a chain of islands to understand oneness and its importance for the Caribbean when in truth and in fact the sea between the islands provides the notion and held notions, that we are separated. I think a Union or United system, like the EU and US, is made easier in the presence of one major land mass, than land mass that is separated by water. I mean, I do not know if my assumtion is true but take for instance England. England, supposingly, is part of Europe, yet they seem to take issue to the idea of falling under the schengen banner, have refuted many a EU policy and seem bent, come hell or high water, on not losing, more or less, their identity. Now I ain’t really know if this is a reason but look again at the problem – separated by water. Also we know that England have laid claim to Ireland, and their history is not one that paints a pretty picture between these two lands. There have existed for many many moons a plethora of indifference and violence. But yet again I cannot help but notice that they too are – separated by water. Now maybe, and I say just maybe, if they (England and Europe) were not separated by water maybe they two would whole heartedly and be unequivocally yoke to the concepts of the EU and likewise Ireland and England.

Now just to strike a balance, I know that there are those who are not separated by water who cannot come to terms with a unification of states of a large land mass, even if you put a gun to their heads. One such huge land mass with nuff nuff resources is Africa. However we know their history to some extent have dictated the courses of their actions and much of the blame has been squarely laid at the feet of the invaders (the ultimate excuses in these moderns times). However the other thing that I have noticed is that most of the land masses that find unity a very difficult thing, and where nogotiations have been stalled, halted or abandon for one reason or the other seems to be those land masses where black people reside. Now I am not saying that black people are incapable of championing the cause for unity but it is darn right plain to me that most of the land masses where blacks resides and presides have serious issues with unification and decades are passing by with no clear prospect that this will be acheived . Maybe these could be some of the reasons why a CSME will not work.

However, a balance must be struck when raising such debatable issues. Firstly that the benefactors of unifying states, who are now reaping the benefits of what uniting their resources can do, also reaped, back in the day, a world wind of wars and human suffering to get there. Their acheivements were in no way, smooth sailing. Examples are: the historical divide between America’s North and South states and the wars before Europa became the European Union. However I will end this little escapade of mind by saying that anything is possible with the right thinking and the right approach but the way how we as black people view certain efforts, I think it is taking us too long to understand the importance of certain things like oneness and unification and the benefits that can be derived if we seek to embrace. I truly do not think we will acheive any mere semblance of a united Caribbean, if we continue to perpetuate a thinking of selfish ideals and biases. We carry to many deep seated indifferences and prejudices to make any real progress towards the dream of a Caribbean Single Market and Economy. I just hope that I am proven wrong but like all things, only time will tell.

Who is Wilfred Adams?

Is wilfred abrahams the young lawyer who was head of the bar association wishing in vain?

And are you saying sandra husbands is an alleged lesbian,I thought she was a christian married woman?

More Lies By WIV
In the Saturday Sun one of the BLP stalwarts George Griffith said that Mia is going down the wrong road in the candidate selection. Is he telling lies?

@WIV;
Well we all heard her pronouncements and strategies with the St.Micheal team in the last election. Would you not welcome her involvement in the Christ Church Branches? I would. lol!

Taan Abed should not be the candidate given the controversy which followed him last election.

Did it ever come to court?

It seams to me that Owen give her that position knowing full well what would happen.

Now the public has and unsavory view of one and not the whole ‘party’ sometimes ya got to sacrifice one for the grater good.

Smart chap.

Abed was mix up in what?

@ David
I have “no opinion” as to if Taan Abed should be a candidate for Christ Church West again and therefore gave none. I have heard of the controversy to which you have alluded. I will not give it legs by further reference now.

However, if there is no truth to the allegations or the controversy can be overcome, the DLP could fight the bye-election, with an in-built advantage.

The DLP could fight the bye-election on the basis of, you say we are xenophobic towards foreigners who make their home in Barbados, but the lie to that is evident by the candidate we have taken to our hearts as one of our own.

To those beyond our shores particularly in “Guyana” we could say…that is the way we conduct politics in Barbados, and do note the decision to have Taan Abed as a candidate was taken long before the issue of immigration came to the fore, it is not window dressing.

That reasoning and line of argument would be difficult for anyone to rebutt…actions not words would have had the final say.

While Yardbrrom has summarised the Christ Church West position very well,
one other factor to be considered is why it used to be such a solid seat and how that will change via natural evolution.

The seat was Sir Henry Forde’s seat, traditionally strong because of Sir Henry, no other reason.

Hence, the BLP has ridden on this legacy up till now.

As Yardbroom has pointed out, the margin in the last election has declined, possibly indicating that the usefulness of that legacy as an elction-clincher is dimishing, due to the passage of time.

Voters will now require genuine returns from the holder of that seat, to prove worth, whether Duguid or anyone else.

The next election or bye-election in thay seat will surely be closer.

Peace

Yardbroom,

With respect to Ch. Ch. West, I thnk you are wrong on this one.

If you calculate, you will see that Duigid won in 2008 by 58% of the vote. This was acheived during a “massive swing” against the BLP.

Travel back in time and you will see that this constituency has always been a major stronghold of the BLP. No one could beat Henry Forde.

It will take a miracle for the DLP to win this seat.

@ Facts
The point you made regarding Sir Henry Forde, to which Rumplestilskin also alluded about the personal vote of Henry Forde is quite true. It is also noted there was a national swing against the BLP in the last election.

Two points should be factored in, Dr William Dugid as I understood it was the choice of Henry Forde, so he came with some goodwill. He was also well liked by some of his constituents that personal endorsement from Dr Dugid is not -at least as yet- in place.

Dr. Dugid was also relatively local to Christ Church West for many years.

Although there was a national swing against the BLP Government at the last election; the DLP opposition was an unknown quantity…which is always a handicap. That is no longer the situation the “authority” of Government with Ministers and others free to fight the bye-election…to my mind gives the DLP government the advantage..but it could be close.

But what if there is now a swing against the Government?

Hi ,Poor Great

Where did I endorse Abed? I said no such thing, if I did, I implore you point me or quote the sentence where I did.

I give a view of the situation as I see it, a pragmatic view, my position has always been, there is no DLP or BLP stamped on my forehead.

I try to give a balance view, with honesty and integrity.