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Mark of the Beast
Mark of the Beast

It is no secret that there is a constituency which dwells in the Barbados Underground who enjoys a robust religious debate. In recent times there has been rich discussion about the Jewish Talmud, The Promises of God and currently The Bible And The Qur’an, Brothers Kept Apart. This group is comprised of Atheists, Agnostics, Christians and  others, we even noticed the description Apathiest.

Surprisingly to the BU household the religious conversation has attracted a healthy following based on what we see from back here. We hope that we are not twisting any arms but there are some Christian events which require clarification.

  • The BU household wishes to ask our religious luminaries to explain how they perceive revelations linked to  the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls can potentially reshape religion as we know it.
  • Explain the Mark of the Beast and the much discussed the coming of the Anti-Christ.

Attached is a Power Point Presentation which has been in circulation for sometime which some believe is the Mark of the Beast exposed!

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820 responses to “The Mark Of The Beast, The Coming Of The Anti-Christ,The Dead Sea Scrolls”

  1. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    QUOTE: “2- The day of the Lord is executed over a period of at least 1007 years fro a right division of ALL the Scriptures involved according to the rules of exegesis and interpretation given by Peter himself in 2 Peter 1:20 where he writes Knowing this first, that NO prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. This means that when you want to correctly interpret a verse you need to examine what the other scriptures on the SAME issue say, or else you will be contradicting yourself! Many folk are unaware or disobey Peter’s advice in this verse, muddy up the waters, and then have people saying that the Bible contradicts itself.”

    Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. I’d also like to add that prophecy was written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Therefore the Holy Spirit is the only one in the position to unlock the meaning of Scripture. You can have all the Bible scholars on the planet agree with you, but that does not mean it is correct. Did not God choose the simple to understand His great truths? Did not all the rulers and leaders at the time of Jesus’ first coming, completely mess up in their interpretation of Scripture?

  2. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    QUOTE: “3- Peter in this single verse [ as is common in much of prophecy ( e.g compare Isaiah 61:1-2a with Luke 4:18-19)] points to an event at the BEGINING of the day of the Lord and an event at the END of the day of the Lord. The day of the Lord will COME or COMMENCE as a thief in the night. The Lord will come silently swiftly and silently and sieze away the saints just as a thief operates. The phrase “as a thief in the night “ is called in English and Hermeneutics A SIMILE!”

    Let’s focus on that expression “as a thief in the night.” You can only see one meaning to the phrase “as a thief in the night,” namely that Jesus comes “swifly” and “silently”, like a thief in the night. Unfortunately, this is the wrong meaning. The true meaning of “as a thief in the night” is that Jesus comes UNEXPECTEDLY. Do you ever KNOW when a thief comes? Of course not! Otherwise you’d be able to stop him. A thief comes when you least expect it!

    I’ve already given proof that Jesus DOES NOT come silently at the so called “rapture.” He comes thunderously, with a shout AND with the trump, not silently. Remember what I wrote:

    1 Thessalonians 4:15 “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.”

    You say this verse has to do with the secret rapture, yet the very next verse couldn’t be more blunt!

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”

    How do you shout in secret? Or are you now going to tell me that verse 15 and verse 16 are two separate events separated by 7 years or something? Because if you are, then why does Paul return to the “rapture” the very next verse:

    1 Thessalonians 4:17 “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

    Do the above verses really need any explanation? Aren’t they perfectly clear? The Holy Bible is saying that those Christians still alive (verse 15) at our Lord’s Second coming do NOT PRECEDE the “dead in Christ”, who are raised (resurrected) FIRST! Now if the secret, silent rapture theory is true, then how can all those graves bursting open be done in secret? Seriously! And it is only THEN, AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, that those Christians “still living” are caught up “to meet the Lord in the air”! I don’t see how you cannot see this plain meaning.

    Here’s the proof that His coming as a thief means He comes UNEXPECTEDLY.

    1 Thessalonians 5:2, “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.”

    BUT DON’T STOP READING HERE!!!!

    1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

    Put your glasses on Georgie Porgie, because the script is straightforward! “Sudden destruction” comes upon those that aren’t ready for Christ after He comes as a “thief in the night.” According to the 7 year trib theory, they would have seven years to get right with Christ. Yet the Bible says “sudden destruction” comes on them then.

    BUT KEEP READING BECAUSE THE VERY NEXT VERSE SAYS:

    1 Thessalonians 5:4 “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.”

    You use verse 2 to say Jesus comes as a thief in the night for the Christians. But this verse (verse 4) proves you’re not telling the truth. This verse is plain, is it not? It says clearly that Jesus does NOT come as a thief in the night to the true Christians who are not in darkness (but rather understand prophecy).

  3. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    QUOTE: “The day of the Lord (which is a time period and not a day as can be seen by rightly dividing all the references to this concept in both OT & NT) will COME TO AND END
    After Armageddon when it is predicted that “the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
    You then misinterpret 2 Pet 3:11-14
    2 Pet 3:11-14 “Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.”
    Verses 11 & 12 are an admonition to believers to live holy and godly lives in anticipation of the day of the Lord. If Peter did not articulate exactly what is meant from a consideration of all the scriptures on the matter, don’t think he did not know what he was saying.
    This passage like the one above DOES NOT place the Lord’s arrival and the Earth’s destruction at the exact same time.”

    Do you need your eyes tested? Read again: “…Looking for and hasting unto the COMING OF THE DAY OF GOD, WHEREIN the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat…”

  4. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    QUOTE: “You are deliberately dishonestly leaving out the concept of the rapture for which the proof texts are I Thess 4:13-18 & 1 Cor 15:51-57”

    I’m not. You are EXTRACTING these two texts and placing them in another time whereas I’m taking these two texts and placing them at the Second coming.

    The order of events is plain. There is no secret phase followed by a glorious phase. It is ONE “PHASE”.

    1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

    1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

    1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

    1Cr 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    1Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.

    1Cr 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Both these passages say that at the last trump, the dead saints will rise with incorruptible bodies followed by the living saints being translated into incorruptible bodies to meet Jesus in the air at His coming, which is with a shout and a trump. Why do you insist that this is done silently in secret some 7 years before Jesus comes????

  5. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    QUOTE: “If contemporary believers are not to look for an initial secret parousia followed by a great glorious epiphanea what does Titus 2:13 mean?”

    Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    That blessed hope is the hope of eternal life, which is only in Christ. But when do we put on immortality?

    1Thess 2:19 For what [is] our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? [Are] not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ AT HIS COMING?

    Titus 2:13 is one event!

  6. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    QUOTE: “If there is no dividing of events, no two phases, but ONE day and One event, why does one scripture says that the Lord will meet the saints in the air, and another says that he will come down to the Mount of Olives.”

    Because these ARE two events. The Lord will meet the saints in the air at His second coming, which begins the 1000 years. After that, He will come down to the Mount of Olives “all the saints with thee” Zech 14:5.

  7. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    QUOTE: “Why does the scripture talk abut two different resurrections.”

    Because one is the resurrection of the just to everlasting life at Jesus’ coming and the other is the resurrection of the wicked to destruction at the end of the 1000 years.

  8. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    QUOTE: “Re RAPTURE DECEPTION – PROOF #2
    Luke 17:22 -27 “And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.”
    Here you dishonestly merging two different illustrations used by the Lord.”

    HOW SO?

    QUOTE: “When the flood came unexpectedly, the folk in Noah’s day were eating and drinking and marrying. In other words they were going about the normal round of daily activities; as there is nothing at all wrong with either eating and drinking or marrying. Those who were in the ark were prepared for his coming because they had accepted God’s invitation to the ark (a type of picture of salvation by grace through faith in Christ) and shut up in the ark and looking for his coming. When Jesus comes at the rapture those who are saved will be distinguished only because they have God’s invitation of salvation by grace through faith in Christ and are watching and waiting for his return, because when Jesus comes again , they too will be, and are now yet eating and drinking and marrying – essentially they will be going about the normal round of daily activities ; as there is nothing at all wrong with either eating and drinking or marrying.”

    You’ve perfectly summarized the passage EXCEPT YOU LEFT OUT THE LAST BIT! Read again – verse 27 says “…and the flood came, and DESTROYED THEM ALL.” Those who were not ready and had not accepted the invitation WERE DESTROYED. No 7 extra years of probation!

    QUOTE: “Note that in none of the proof texts for the rapture there are no references to lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven, because all the fireworks will occur at Armagededon and in the judgement oif the earth that form part of the day of the Lord or the period or dispensation referred to as the second coming of Christ..”

    Put two and two together!

  9. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    QUOTE: “RAPTURE DECEPTION – PROOF #3
    Luke 17:28,29 “Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. ”
    Your argument here though logical is unsound because it DOES not take into consideration the truths of all the other scriptures on the matter.”

    It does as I’ve amply proven. It is only that your pre-assumptions do not allow you to accept such plain conclusions.

  10. JJ Avatar
    JJ

    Blessings Zoe,

    I’ll now spend time answering your posts…

    My apologies for the delay!

  11. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Ready-Done,

    Yes, the Bible, God’s Word was written by man, BUT, it was Divinely Inspired by God.

    “ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God ( pasa graphe theopneustos kai ophelimos) and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” (II Tim. 3:16).

    Theopneustos, means literally ‘God-breathed’ See also 2 Peter 1:20; and Romans 4:23; 15:4.

    The fundamental reason that mankind is in such a mess, morally, ethically, and spiritually, is, because we have turned our backs on God, who is the ONLY One that has the answer for all of our problems.

    This matter has already been dealt with on others threads, which I suggest you read, as I have no intention of going over it again, nor do I have the time.

    You either accept or reject the Bible as Divinely Inspired by the Holy spirit, the choice is yours!

  12. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Zoe
    “Yes, the Bible, God’s Word was written by man, BUT, it was Divinely Inspired by God.”

    This is an assertion not even made by the men who wrote it, but one of convenience for those who would spread the lies and deceit. You have no proof and neither is there any evidence that the men who wrote the books of the Bible were divinely inspired by God.

    Everything about Christianity is false including this false claim. How can sensible men base their most basic principles on assumptions? You have no foundation from the start, so don’t get smug saying, yes written by men “BUT” inspired by God; FOOLISHNESS! It was written by man and as Hopi told you already, it is mere patchwork coming from the minds of disconnected men who seek to DIVIDE this world.

  13. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Zoe

    “You either accept or reject the Bible as Divinely Inspired by the Holy spirit, the choice is yours!”

    You say this so glibly as if to say, well you choose, but you should tell people that it is woe betides them if they choose not; and the woes will not come from God nor Christ, but from Christians like you who can’t take the rejection. You have no sense of justice.

  14. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    This very ethereal discussion reminds me about the intellectual discussions and debates we used to have about Animal Farm which is not purely fiction but factually fiction.

    You ever heard two Days of our Lives fans talking about the story? You would swear blind they were talking about something that happened in their lives… but all fiction.

    What is the point of discussing a mortal character who men claim is the Creator but he is not? What is the point of discussing Jesus Christ the god and the god above him without understand who or what a god is?

    It mean that you don’t have an understanding of the Rapture nor Armageddon. It means you don’t understand what is the end of the world and most of all it means you don’t understand the coming of your own god.

  15. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Zoe

    If they get you to believe that this book was inspired by God; and if they get you to believe that the book is proof of itself; then they have imprisoned your mind and hence, they have imprisoned you.

    I overheard a conversation between two bright young sparks. The were talking about a situation and in order for one to get other to see it differently, she was saying, “what if.. this and what if that”. You know what the response was from her peer? “Too many what ifs.”

    I tell you the same thing. You have to swallow too much; believe blindly in too much and the shameful thing is, all the evidence is around you to help you see the lie. Talk about life being what you make it.

    If you would come up from drinking in the fairy tale pool you would see the lions and cats poised; taking hold of you and draining you of the best days of your life.

  16. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    JJ
    “Luke 17:28,29 “Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. ””

    Sound like incendiary bombs to me or maybe a nuclear one. Maybe it was a volcano; lol!

  17. Ready-Done Avatar
    Ready-Done

    Rok if we both agree the bible is not the way, then what do you think is the way???

  18. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Hey Ready-Done

    The biggest problem with Christians is that they have strayed from the true path. They no longer understand what a god is and they no longer understand the difference between God and the Creator.

    Over the years they have idolised or even immortalised their god, because of a precept of what a God should be rather than the true fact of what a god is; equivalent to an oversized king or a mighty Lord; a conqueror and not a divine being that created this universe.

    If you want to use the word created, it would be no more than how scientists created a clone or created a cow that gives a lot of milk and one that is prime for beef. Where is the true creation?

    However, don’t think that since you say down with Christianity you must replace it with another dogma. We must replace it with the freedom of mind. Not being a slave to anything; not worshipping anything but realising that all the power of the Creator is in you.

    There is nothing external that rules you; You are the complete master of yourself. If you choose to believe in something, (and notice that I said, “if you choose”) then that becomes your reality, but there is no retribution for disobedience save the punishment from the God and I mean physical punishment similar to what a slave master did to a slave to break him in.

    Actually, it is based on the same principle as slavery: You do as the master says or you feel the consequences (if caught). It’s right through the Bible. You do as god says or else.

    Now if you check your conscience, you would know that you have a sense of justice and if you compare your sense of justice with that of God of the Bible, then you would understand that God is not interested in justice and that is so because he has no dominion over justice. He seeks justice the same way we do, by laying down rules to follow and if you don’t follow you will be prosecuted.

    This God does not care about the individual who followed his word to the letter, but on inflicting sufficient fear and mental dominance to keep mankind in check; enslaved.

    This god has no dominion over life or death and that is why both the good and the bad, die. This god is mighty because of his technology; fire power and nothing more.

    The quickest thing this god can do is threaten death and destruction and that is because of the fire power. If you remember your Bible, more than once he threatened to destroy the Hebrews and it was men themselves who rebuked him; Moses and Lot. They were concerned with Justice while God was not. Both Moses and Lot said that if they were people that followed the word of god, then they should not be destroyed; a sense of justice coming from man not from the god.

    All I can tell you is that the Creator speaks to you all the time in the tone of your own voice. Listen and you will hear, it is the voice of your conscience and the goal is to advance mankind to mental perfection; or the highest mental ability. The Creator speaks through the Creation (us).

    Now god stopped all this by convincing us that we are sinners, not perfect or rather imperfect. That we have to born again to be perfect.

    Now that is an insult to my intelligence because there can be no more magnificent work than the body of man. That we are made up of small particles which are combined in such a way that we have consciousness, that we speak, that we live and that we survive and live off the dust of the earth which turns itself into fruits and vegetables in a form that we can digest and that these things deliver to the body, the nutrients, minerals, vitamins, etc. that it requires in order to live and function at the highest level of intelligence.

    The Creator does not have to get up in all forums and boast about being the Creator. The Creator is the Creator whether you like it or not and does not breathe down our necks like god or the slave master would. We could only have been slaves because we were convinced and coerced into accepting slavery and because there was no alternative to life. It was either become a good slave or die. Same thing with the god of the bible and I would not be surprised if it was he who wrote the bible and planted it for man (to be more specific for christians).

    Don’t replace it with anything, search for yourself. Listen to that inner voice; it has much wisdom and directs your everyday life. We have gone astray because we have not listened or to be more accurate, we are being seriously distracted from listening to that voice.

  19. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Ready-Done

    This is a topic virtually without end. You remember what god said when he was chasing Adam out of the garden? This is where the evidence of conspiracy begins. God said, let us remove the man from the garden lest he eat of the tree of life and live forever. Why would god not want that for man? Why was the tree of knowledge forbidden?

    Well it was once forbidden to teach or educate a slave too because the longer you keep them in ignorance and not allow them to taste the pleasures of life, then you control them for the rest of their lives; and they will not want to escape or enjoy any of the pleasures/comforts of life as they will see it and leave it. Meanwhile, the white man and god, enjoy their lives to the fullest and in luxury; hidden from the eyes of their slaves.

    A slave may enter the Massa’s house but not through the front door; the back door. The slave never gets to see the massa’s front house and the ones that do, know that they have to keep the field nigger from seeing and knowing the true luxury and to understand that luxury belongs to massa alone.

    The slave dared not sit in massa’s chair or lie in his bed; that would be sacrilege. The slave dared not have a white woman or face getting his penis cut off; even to look at one meant death . Just understand that the same principle that the massa used to enslave black people was handed down from god himself. It’s all in the bible. “How to control men.”

  20. JC Avatar
    JC

    ROK:

    You will cause pure controversy with that comment LOL!

  21. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    JC

    For which comment will I cause controversy?

    It is well documented that the white race messed with the genitals of Black men. No controversy there except for those who would seek to deny it. They would castrate and cut off and stuff the wound with tar or salt and leave them to die a slow and painful death. Well documented!

  22. JC Avatar
    JC

    Now ROK NB: I never once said that I disagreed with your comments!

    Actually, you have caused me to look at this topic from a different perspective!

    Keep going ROK but I still think you will be met with wrath and nasty comments; people dont like to deal with the truth we alllll know that …..

  23. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    JC

    No, you never disagreed you merely stated it will be controversial… but you should not urge me on, that is wicked; LOL!

    but I glad you spurring me on because I want to talk about the significance of the mark of the beast. It is simply a surveillance mechanism, not necessarily to catch any one in particular but to provide a warning that unauthorised personnel are where they should not be, or to monitor the activities of the people in a country; any country.

    Why is this important? This is in preparation for what the man called the God of this earth has in store for the populations of the earth. The plan is to wipe them out, save a few. The biblical texts support this.

    The destruction of the earth is about the destruction of man and the reason for the destruction is to reap; like how we cut down the cane fields to get the cane juice, molasses and sugar.

    Those carrying the mark of the beast will be the easiest targets. Those who refuse the mark are those most likely to survive the onslaught.

    Onslaught? I have no doubt that there will be some resistance to God when the time comes. You see, we don’t understand who is God. “No weapon” shall prevail against “Him”. Pick sense from nonsense.

  24. Ready-Done Avatar
    Ready-Done

    Rok you is watch sg1? alex jones?

    Your views though very correct will not be accepted by this society, if you were to put that in a different, less confrontational way, maybe, people would scrutinize it more.

    You think mark of the beast is simply a surveillance mechanism, but why did the creator give us fingerprints? are they not a form of individual identification?

    The fact that the mark of the beast has to do with money would mean it has to do with technology because the two go hand in hand. But it is humans that push technology and money on this earth? are we the beast?

    You compared God making us, to a scientist cloning.and asserted god has no dominion over life or death and that is why both the good and the bad, die. also that this god is mighty because of his technology; fire power and nothing more.

    agreed.

    Then at some point our attempts at bettering technology for generation after generation has the effect of if man has lived forever since creation endlessly working at bettering technology soon enough our technology would rival his (he said it first, God said, ‘let us remove the man from the garden lest he eat of the tree of life and live forever:and be like us or something to that effect.’) if we are gods technology.

    Maybe we will ultimately engineer our successors.

    I never understood how a perfect God can make an imperfect being? the theory is flawed.

  25. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Ready-Done

    “Rok you is watch sg1? alex jones?”

    Never heard of them. Just don’t watch TV. On that score, I have to apologise to my Flixter friends and explain that it makes no sense me matching wits on movies because i don’t watch them.

    “why did the creator give us fingerprints?”

    Footprints and all the Creator gave us, so why the need for something to give off a signal?

    “But it is humans that push technology and money on this earth? are we the beast?”

    Exactly, “beast” the creatures to be hunted and killed rather than “beast” the predator. You have your eye on the money. Take it off. It is the control. Money is a medium of control. See who is behind the controls and see who is being controlled.

    “Then at some point our attempts at bettering technology for generation after generation has the effect of if man has lived forever”

    Boy do you catch on fast. So, you should now understand the statement that “to achieve perfection” (Man) has to be born again… the problem with the christians is that they are too naive and they think that it is the person that has to be born again. That is a myth. It is we “mankind” and they are pulling against mankind; “Dividing us”. To divide us is to control us.

    If the process of natural selection is not seriously interrupted, there will come a time when each man will born and live maybe 1000 years.

    Now, according to the scholars, they have dug up several developed civilisations and have found that some catastrophe always happens to retard mankind every 5-10k years. We are now somewhere between 5-10k since the last one.

    That evolution is therefore purposely interrupted and man has to start from scratch again every time. But the way that evolution works, God will one day be defeated by man.

    “soon enough our technology would rival his (he said it first, God said, ‘let us remove the man from the garden lest he eat of the tree of life and live forever:and be like us or something to that effect.’) if we are gods technology.”

    I don’t know if I could have put that any better. So you see that God is expecting conflict on his return? Check the language, “no weapon shall prevail against Him.”

    “I never understood how a perfect God can make an imperfect being? the theory is flawed.”

    That was one of the questions that stopped me from going to Sunday School… but I tell you this, we are all perfect beings, we just have to learn how to remain that way. Obviously God does not want us to learn this. Whatever we are doing is what serves his purpose.

  26. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Georgie Porgie………Why does the Bible/God justify the oppression of Black People?
    Genesis 9: 22-27. Ham who happened to be the father of the Black Race laughed at his father, Noah’s nakedness but Shem, the father of the Jew and Japheth, the father of the Gentiles/White Race covered their father’s nakedness and their eyes? And as a result Noah cursed Ham and told him that a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren, whereas he blessed the Jews and told them that Canaan shall be his servant…..hence they have moved into Canaan (Palestine) today and also blessed the descendants of Japheth.

    And furthermore the Talmud also justifies the oppression of Blacks with its outright lies and hatred saying:
    “That Ham (father of the Black Race) ‘unmanned’ Noah and Noah having realised what Ham had done said that he now could not have his 4th son and as a result Canaan had to be enslaved. And since Ham had disabled Noah from doing ugly things in the blackness of the night, his children shall be born black and ugly; and because Ham twisted his head around to see his nakedness, his grand-children’s hair should be twisted into into kinks and their eyes red; and because Ham’s lips jested at his misfortune his offsprings lips shall swell; and because Ham neglected his nakedness, he shall go naked and his male member shall be elongated.” ” And Canaan commanded his children to love theft and fornication, and to be banded together in hatred of their masters and never to tell the truth.”

    Here is all the justification for the ill-treatment of Blacks and the god-given authority to steal their blessed lands.

    Why should Black people live by the words written in this book, a book which blessed their enslavement? How can Black people find salvation thru these words?

  27. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Hopi

    “Why should Black people live by the words written in this book, a book which blessed their enslavement? How can Black people find salvation thru these words?”

    Good question but they have done it using two principles:
    1. They have convinced us that it is about us;
    2. The basic principle of the Bible is divide and rule.

    The thing for us to do is form an alliance of all black countries and start to build a parallel economy that is not dependent on western economic influences. Do you think we can do that? We certainly have the resources; and the currency must be strong.

  28. JC Avatar
    JC

    You are deep ROK REAL DEEP!

  29. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @ROK…..You know I’m just waiting for my christian Bro. GP to give me an ‘enlightened’ response.

    Yes, we can form an alliance and a very strong one at that because we have the capacities to facilitate such. The so-called civilization of the Europeans, could NEVER happen without the Blacks and the natural resources from our lands. Amerikkka is a perfect eg. ..it was built on blood, sweat and tears of the Blacks, so if our foreparents did that of course we can rebuild our own. There is nothing that we cannot accomplish once we put our minds to it. But we are constantly distracted with petty squabbles. And while we are rebuilding we will shut out everyone else because, WE DON’T NEED THEM.

  30. Thanatos Avatar
    Thanatos

    What exactly is ROK deep into?

  31. Thanatos Avatar
    Thanatos

    How do you plan to build this new civilization with the World Order elite and their plans so far advanced to bring in the one world Government; isn’t it a bit too late for this?

  32. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Thenatos
    You of course realize that “this new civilization with the World Order elite and their advanced plans to bring in the one world Government” is a precusor to the temporary Government that will be ruled by AntiChrist as foretold in Revelation.

    This Government will all be come a shambles as predicted in Revelation 17 & 18.

  33. Ready-Done Avatar
    Ready-Done

    a parallel economy is the best way. but how do we start it? if we can?

  34. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Hopi
    Re Why does the Bible/God justify the oppression of Black People?

    I have not read ANY texts in the Bible that support the notion that the Bible/God justify the oppression of Black People.

    History reveals that non black people have oppressed their kind in the past. Quite in keeping with the Biblical teaching that all have sinned and the tenet that the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked!

    I cannot comment on your quotation from the Talmud since I have not read the Talmud.
    Re Genesis 9: 22-27. I did not know that Ham was the father of the Black Race when he laughed at his father’s nakedness , nor did I know that the peoples of the world were classified as BLACK JEW & GENTILES. Also your understanding of the Jews occupation of their land and the entire history concerning this issue seems a bit different from the biblical record.

    Black people find salvation in the same way that ALL people find salvation:- by grace through faith in Christ as is outlined in several texts in the NT, which I KNOW THAT YOU HOPI ARE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH! LOL

    It seems that I missed the texts in the Bible that justify “the ill-treatment of Blacks and the god-given authority to steal their blessed lands.” I am sure that you will assist by enumerating and quoting them for me.

    Do kindly forgive me for causing you to wait for my enlightened response.

  35. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP…….Are you truly serious? You did not know that HAM was the father of the Black race according to the Bible? And are you also telling me that you are not aware that the land of Canaan…..the land flowing with milk and honey is Black people land which was then taken over by the Arabs which was later known as Palestine which the Jews are presently erasing from the World map?

    And are you telling me that this world is not divided along racial/ethnic lines?

    Then who is Ham and why has his generation been cursed to be servants to others?

    No it is not too late!
    Yes Blacks can re-build their own civilization, irregardless of the plans that this ‘New World Order Genre’ has put in place. Their power lie in our ignorance, apathy and acquiescence. They operate under the illusion of power. And one way we can start is by teaching our children the ‘truth’ i.e. that this paradigm in which we presently operate is false.

  36. Thanatos Avatar
    Thanatos

    Georgie Porgie, It is true that ‘…the one world Government’ is a precusor to the temporary Government that will be ruled by the Antichrist as foretold in revelation.”

    It is so well advanced with the world economic crisis, North Korea, Iran, and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, etc, etc, it surely does seem that Bible is correct in its predictions.

  37. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    I had not planned on getting involved with this meaningless discussion on race again, it is simply ‘colour-blind’ or more appropriately, ‘colour-bound’ by ignorance of the facts.

    Reality is synonymous with truth, and truth is unyielding. One can choose to ignore it, scorn it, or even curse it, BUT, all to no avail; in the end, TRUTH impassively stands its ground in the face of the most overpowering emotional, verbal, and intellectually dishonest onslaughts.

    Also, truth can be especially brutal to those who insist on worshipping at the Altar of Theory, and ideological barrenness, void of any substance whatsoever.

    When one blatantly rejects, critical, objective, coherent, historic facts, all of which were foretold thousands of years ago, coming to past exactly as stated, and embraces a belief posture, that essentially has no foot in reality, then one is likely to believe ‘anything’ which amounts to believing in NOTHING, and therefore, their pronouncements, are utterly VOID, EMPTY, HOT AIR, akin to HOTEP!!!

  38. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @GP

    “I have not read ANY texts in the Bible that support the notion that the Bible/God justify the oppression of Black People.”

    Well! Well! Well! That is either hypocrisy or ignorance. Which one?

  39. georgie porgie Avatar
    georgie porgie

    Thanatos

    You clearly seem to have a grasp of the subject Sir!

    Zoe

    You will notice that I do not get involved in discussions on race. Such discussions are usually pregnant with emotion and ignorance, especially when folk claim that the Word sanctions such.

    I am more interested in goals such as those detailed in scriptures such as Ephesians 4:13 et secq
    Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

    Another goal is Philippians 3:8-12
    Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ , the righteousness which is of God by faith; That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

  40. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @ Zoe

    “When one blatantly rejects, critical, objective, coherent, historic facts (none of which describes anything out of the bible), all of which were foretold thousands of years ago, coming to past exactly as stated, and embraces a belief posture (which is what Christianity is about), that essentially has no foot in reality (which is what the bible is), then one is likely to believe ‘anything’ which amounts to believing in NOTHING, and therefore, their pronouncements, are utterly VOID, EMPTY, HOT AIR…”

    Thank you very much… you will soon get the reality.

  41. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Thanatos

    “How do you plan to build this new civilization with the World Order elite and their plans so far advanced to bring in the one world Government; isn’t it a bit too late for this?”

    They have you believing that they have the power in their hands. All I will say to you is “NEVER TOO LATE” unless you give up. Anytime the black race on this earth wake up to a stark reality, Western society gone; like how the gas run out when you cooking; one time!

    If all the African States got together with all the black states all over the world, and decided that it was not going to allow Europe to have anymore resources, and focused on building an economy and a technology, I guarantee you that Europe and the USA would do one of two things, invade and completely take over Africa or crumble.

  42. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Thanatos

    “It is true that ‘…the one world Government’ is a precusor to the temporary Government that will be ruled by the Antichrist as foretold in revelation.””

    I keep telling you that the Creator is the Anti-Christ. Put the right way, Christ is the Anti-Creator. What the Creator gave he is seeking to take away.

    World Government is not achievable and while it may seem far advanced now, its very nature will cause a world wide rebellion and throw the western economy into deep crisis.

    This is different to trying to dominate the world which is what they are doing now, but there are too many loose ends to the equation. The one thing the got right is the bible and the principle of division which is what keeps it holding on. One of these days the strings will pop.

    For those of you who think the Bible prophesy is how it is going to be, think again. Developments in recent times has turned a spin on it… but one thing for sure, if the gods’ demands are excessive, there will be death and destruction; they will feel obligated to destroy us; especially the western institutions.

  43. Ready-Done Avatar
    Ready-Done

    rOK you got to watch some of this SG1 is the best. but fictional (maybe)

    http://s12.alluc.org/tv-shows.html?mode=catdetails&id=762&navpath=sel|S

  44. Ready-Done Avatar
    Ready-Done

    a little alex jones

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IhrIbIts-8&hl=en&fs=1&]

  45. Ready-Done Avatar
    Ready-Done

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3WIv0Dl67Y&hl=en&fs=1&]

  46. Ready-Done Avatar
    Ready-Done

    Great entertainment for some absolute truth for others.

    but helps you to get other views.

  47. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Ready-Done

    OK, I am aware of all that information and the conspiracies too. There is no doubt that there will be mass murdering of people to dwindle the earth’s population in the next 3-5 years. It will be a slow and long process and of course the conspiracy started before HIV/AIDS but includes HIV/AIDS and swine flu, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

    What is most disheartening is that people like Zoe and GP are unwittingly part of the plan and they don’t know it. They are the ones who will cause us to be sold out. They are the Judas Iscariots of this world. They don’t understand how dangerous they are to humanity.

    They are the ones who will back the illuminati because the illuminati will seem and behave as if ordained by God. These foolish people feel that whatever god does, good or bad is good. As they say, you don’t question god as god knows best; bunch of BS.

    The perfect example? Well they can’t see that the Israelis are committing genocide so they are backing the Israelis. You just have to check back this blog and you will see the vehement arguments they put up in favour of Israel; all about God and prophesies; and the prophecies must be fulfilled, Right?

    These people are blood drinkers and flesh eaters and they don’t know but let me tell them something, what they are practicing is also the nature of the beast so look out for a reign of terror and when it happens these people will be smiling… and if they die in the process they will feel satisfied to say, “God wants me dead for a reason that only he knows” and they will gladly kick the bucket smiling in bliss. What ignorance!

    One thing for sure, don’t care what they do, they can’t escape the Creator and the fittest will survive. Note how little has been able to survive. Everything happens for a reason and the experience that Cuba has with intelligence and warfare, defeating the illuminati many times over, should be a lesson and an inspiration to the true soldiers, that mighty men are conquerable. We need to get the bible out of Africa with the white man.

    Obama is only a moment of glory and a mark of achievement for the black man. At least by now we should be thinking that we are equal to but better than the white man or the Jews who purport to rule this world. If Obama knows what is good for him, he would put down the bible. I believe that by now, he would have already met God. God is here on earth right now and has obviously found allies in world government. This is what will change the face of the prophesy (blueprint) because it was not anticipated by the Gods that mankind would have reached this level of technology and sufficiently powerful to pose a threat to them.

    We are still like ants to the gods as powerful as we may be. They have serious technology. They can move water from planet to planet. They can manipulate the elements to make a planet habitable or barren and have been keeping all the planets barren except earth. It is a means of control and security within this solar system. It is like putting a fence around the earth to keep in the people (chattel).

  48. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Ready-Done

    Wow! Thanks for that alex jones piece on swine flu. There is no doubt that it is purpose work but Jones is really doing his homework to be able to unravel it.

    Thanks to the Creator life is resilient.

  49. Ready-Done Avatar
    Ready-Done

    alex jones has an opinion on every thing his web sit is infowars.com i think.
    A youtube search would find many of his vids.

  50. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Georgie Porgie…….I have concluded that you like many other Black ‘christians’ have chosen to envelop yourself in a vacuum. Do you ever sit down and examine the word in that Bible without the help of those whose foreparents played a major role in piecing it together for your delusion?
    From the beginning of that Book the oppression of the Black race was sanctioned, yet you refuse to see it.

    “Delusion that is perfectly complete, for those who die to find out deceit.”

    AND

    “Truth crushed to the earth, shall rise again,
    The eternal years of God are hers;
    But Error, wounded, writhes with pain.
    And dies among his worshippers.”

    Hotep!

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