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Mark of the Beast
Mark of the Beast

It is no secret that there is a constituency which dwells in the Barbados Underground who enjoys a robust religious debate. In recent times there has been rich discussion about the Jewish Talmud, The Promises of God and currently The Bible And The Qur’an, Brothers Kept Apart. This group is comprised of Atheists, Agnostics, Christians and  others, we even noticed the description Apathiest.

Surprisingly to the BU household the religious conversation has attracted a healthy following based on what we see from back here. We hope that we are not twisting any arms but there are some Christian events which require clarification.

  • The BU household wishes to ask our religious luminaries to explain how they perceive revelations linked to  the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls can potentially reshape religion as we know it.
  • Explain the Mark of the Beast and the much discussed the coming of the Anti-Christ.

Attached is a Power Point Presentation which has been in circulation for sometime which some believe is the Mark of the Beast exposed!

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820 responses to “The Mark Of The Beast, The Coming Of The Anti-Christ,The Dead Sea Scrolls”

  1. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    ….’Example;
    Say you meditating or reading the Word or listening to good Bible teaching or even watching the News. You can “hear” Him say “ MAN GP YOU GUIILTY OF THAT SAME SIN!”

    @ GP…

    I thought that was your conscience….you know, the voice in your head. That voice has told me some things …man…..I dont think God would say to me…lol.

  2. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    In today’s NATION there is an article entitled Obeah Buisness Booming
    http://www.nationnews.com/news/local/FOCUS-obeah-in-economic-times-copy-for-web

    The article cites Canon Llewellyn Armstrong, an Episcopal or Anglican priest in Brooklyn who was trained at Codrington ( and not in the Saturday program I presume) as saying “”Don’t forget. Saul, before he became Apostle Paul, consulted the witch of Endor about his future,” “

    Hopefully, by now members of the BU family, whether in the Saturday class at Codrington frowned on by one Errington Massiah, would not commit such an error. Even my good friend, Rohan, now appreciates that a bible text must never be taken out of context. If the venerable Canon had obeyed this basic of all precepts he would not have talked some absolute rubbish. Like the Bajans who commented on his moronic mouthings ( and I daresay none of them probably went to Codrington either full time or to the Saturday class) we know that the Bible mention TWO Sauls, who lived CENTURIES apart! We know two that King Saul was punished for his witchcraft. God did not sanction it all.

    Here are some of the relevant and correct responses of fellow Bajans.
    1- You made a grave mistake by associating the Apostle Paul with the witch of Endor. Saul of Tarsus, AKA Paul the Apostle is not the same person as Saul the son of Kish. READ the scripture carefully before you speak.

    I am sure BU family members would concur with that last statement.

    2- Twisting Scripture
    Dear Canon Armstrong Don’t you know that there are two different Sauls in the bible. You are mixing up King Saul from the Old Testament and Saul of Tarsus from the New Testament. I cannot believe that biblical illiteracy has reached even the halls of the Anglican Church. As a priest, you should emphasize that the bible comes out very strongly against practising witchcraft and consulting mediums. I hope you are not saying that just because it is not new that it is okay

    3- SHAME ON YOU CANON LLEWELLYN ARMSTRONG! YOU DON’T KNOW THE WORD OF GOD? WHAT KIND OF MESSAGES DO YOU PREACH? YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR SCRIPTURES BEFORE YOU QUOTE IT. IT IS NOT ONLY OUT OF CONTEXT BUT IT IS ALSO WRONG.

    YOU NEED TO READ 1SAMUEL 28 AND IN THE 7TH VERSE YOU WILL READ: THEN SAUL SAID TO HIS SERVANTS,”FIND ME A WOMAN WHO IS A MEDIUM THAT I MAY GO TO HER AND INQUIRE OF HER.” AND HIS SERVANT SAID TO HIM, “INFACT, THERE IS A WOMAN WHO IS A MEDIUM AT EN DOR.” WHAT YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOW CANON ARMSTRONG IS THAT THE SAID SAUL, WHEN HE WAS STILL ANOINTED BY GOD, HAD PREVIOUSLY GIVEN ORDERS TO DESTROY ALL “OBEAH WOMEN” BECAUSE WITCHCRAFT WAS AND STILL IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD. SO WHAT COUNSEL ARE YOU REALLY GIVING AS A PRIEST A SERVANT OF GOD? WHAT GOSPEL DO YOU PREACH AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT IS YOUR BELIEF? YOU CANNOT MIX, YOU EITHER BELIEF IN GOD 100% OR YOU BELIEF IN THE DEVIL%, THERE IS NO INBETWEEN. CANON LLEWELLYN ARMSTRONG

    YOU WILL ASLO NOTE THAT WHEN SAUL CONSULTED THIS OBEAH WOMAN, NOT ONLY DID ISRAEL LOST THE WAR THAT THEY WERE BATTLING BUT HE AND HIS SONS DIED AND THE ENTIRE KINGDOM WAS GIVEN OVER TO DAVID. REMEMBER BOTH THE BELIEVER OF OBEAH WILL BE DESTROYED IN HELL IF THEY DO NOT REPENT AND ALSO THE OBEAH WOMAN/MAN WILL BURN IN HELL. SO IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO POINT ALL TO CHRIST AND NOT TO POINT THEM TO “WITCHCRAFT” YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE SOUL. READ YOUR BIBLE CANON. AND BY THE WAY,

    THE APOSTLE PAUL NEVER CONSULTED ANY WITCH AT EN DOR, HE WAS NEW TESTAMENT. YOU GOT IT TWISTED!

    4- . I find it hard to believe that someone who purports to be a priest could mix up King Saul in the Bible with, Saul who became the Apostle Paul through his Damascus road experience. The second quote above is incorrect as the reference refers to King Saul, of the Old Testament who approached the witch of Endor and not the the Apostle Paul of the New Testament.
    5- Please note! Saul who consulted with the satanic witch of Endor was The Old Testament King of ISRAEL. However Saul who was The Apostle Paul never consulted a witch. I know you might say that is a genuine mistake. YET NOTE THIS. Satan is real and many worship him. He is a genius at deception, and he would love for the truth about The Apostle Paul to be made a lie. Check your writing before you publish please

    It seems to me Errington Massiah, and those of his ilk that it dos not matter if you go to Codrington full time, or are in the Saturday class, or don’t go at all, if a Canon could SO WRONGLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

    Watch out friends ! Here he comes now. LOL

  3. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Technician
    I can see why they put you out of the Sunday school class man! What a disruptive boy! LOL

    You see your questions were probably to hard for the teacher to answer. So the only way to hush you was to get rid of you, despite the fact that your questions were/are worth answering, and that you were only seeking answers for the questions that bothered you, and about which you had spent some time in thought.

    Some times teachers get so bogged down in teaching their lesson that they have prepared ( and this occurs even in University) failing to see that there might be more things to learn outside of the lesson.

    I don’t think the issue is whether heaven is a perfect place. After all the Garden of Eden was also a perfect environment too. We are always thinking John Brown turned out to be a murderer because he had a poor upbringing in all aspects, yet Harry Jakes does the same things having been raised in a more perfect environment.

    Some folk are just rebels and evil. Some will kill you out of envy! And for the little that they think you have—but yet something that they don’t have! It might be love, our a good wife who loves you even though you are (probably) only a poor technician. But in your relative poverty, you have something that is unique and precious- whatever it is you are envied for.

    The devil; was no doubt created as perfect as the rest of the creation, but like you and I, he had the CHOICE to express his FREE WILL! And he did. We have a choice keep the laws of Bim, or to break them. If we break them, we suffer the consequences.

    I don’t therefore agree with you that heaven was NOT a perfect place. Certainly it will be perfect as described in Revelation 21-22.

    Q If after the rapture, we are all supposed to live in harmony, how do we know that this will not start all over again as happened with God and Lucifer in the beginning?

    We know, or believe that things will be different because there will be no sin there. In the millennium Jesus will rule with an iron hand on earth. At the end of the millennium, Satan will be released and after his final rebellion is crushed the ungodly of all ages will be judged at the great white throne judgement and sentenced to the lake of fire! That should make things sort of perfect I believe. It seems the sin nature will be eradicated!

    Q What confuses me is how can an angel sin and since it it obvious that he did ( creation of the Devil), what guarantees do we have that it will never reoccur.

    An angel could sin because an angel is just a messenger man. We often think of angels as being perfect in some escteric way. Angels were created a little higher than man according to Hebrews, but as created beings angels had the ability to chose for God or against Him, and they did according to their volition. The fallen angels chose to follow Satan and some are roving around and some are said to be reserveed in chains fior judgment in Jude 6.

    In interpreting the Bible we often have to rid ourselves of cultural beliefs and myths, and traditions that have been entwined in Christendom after Constantine corrupted the church after AD 313!

    Q if God does make a mistake…how would we know? what way would we have of realizing ?….What if?

    LOL I would have put you out for harassment too, depending of my level of tolerance or understanding of your ability to think and question things. LOL

    Techie ma boy those are hard questions that I can not answer or have never honestly contemplated. LOL

    Re Next question….

    …. I thought that was your conscience….you know, the voice in your head. That voice has told me some things …man…..I dont think God would say to me…lol.

    I agree that your conscience the voice in your head speaks to you…. But you realize that when you get naughty thoughts it aint God. LOL But I think you know what I mean. It is not always the conscience that convicts or convinces you of sin, or that drives you to do a good deed or what ever. I cant really explain this concept well. And I don’t walk around saying to folk the Spirit told me this and that. But I know he does speaks to me and others.

    I hope this helps. And you must understand that you were even at a tender age really far ahead of your teacher, who thought you to be disruptive, because your questions took him out of the box, and lost him! And stopped him from getting through his lesson. He/she did not understand that you understood the lesson already, and wanted more than he/she could give, or was prepared to give. A lot of so called bad behavior by students in primary and secondary school is due to BOREDOM! LOL

    I have found that there are different types of students that get A’s. Some are regurgitators. Some are analysers. Some can apply information to practical solutions. Some are a mixture of the above. If you get my drift. I’m sure you do

  4. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ GP….

    Let me digest this and get back to you…have to thoroughly analise this and see how I can apply it 🙂

  5. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Technician, asked GP, “If God does make a mistake… how would we know? What way would we have of realizing? What if?

    While I appreciate your pondering such questions, I believe such a possibilty, or probability is beyond Almighty God, by virtue of His absolute attributes; because God is distinct from and transdendent to all His creatures, not only metaphysically and otherwise, but, also morally. God is morally spotless in character and actions, upright, pure, and untainted with evil desires, motives, thought, word, or acts. God is absolutely Holy, and as such is the source and standard of what is right.

    God is free from all evil, loves all truth and goodness. He values purity and detest impurity and inauthenticity. He cannot approve of any evil, has no pleasure in evil (Psa. 5:4), and cannot tolerate evil (Hab 1:13). God abhors evil and cannot encourage sin in any way (James 1:13-14).

    God is absolutely immutable, changeless, therefore, He cannot make a mistake, othewise He would not be God!

    Regarding the possibilty of ‘sin’ occuring again in heaven, His revelation to us on Heaven, it is simply not possible, as NO sin can ever enter His Presence, this is why those who are ultimately Glorified by Jesus’ Death and resurrection, will be spotless, no more death, or pain, or suffering, or sickness, or envy, no more murder, etc, etc, that we know in our fallen, sin stained condition here on earth.

    It is obvious from implication, that after Satan and a number of angels rebelled against God, and were cast down to this realm, that God has prevented in His soveriegnty, such a possibilty from ever happening again.

  6. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    …….It is obvious from implication, that after Satan and a number of angels rebelled against God, and were cast down to this realm, that God has prevented in His sovereignty, such a possibility from ever happening again.

    And my question to this is simply……HOW???

  7. Avatar
    Anonymous

    All very interesting. Also, check out Wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_(Bible)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiChrist

    Seems that whenever convenient to certain historical parties, attempts at identifying a Beast or AntiChrist have been made, usually motivated by an agenda of hate. How typical of practitioners of organized religeon who, as a group, have been responsible for so many wars and attrocities through the centuries – all in the name of God. As someone once said on this very blog, organized religeon conceals God – it does not reveal Him. That thought has stuck with me ever since. Maybe organized religeon, purporting to be from God, is, in fact, the Beast and the AntiChrist. Certainly worth considering.

    As for the Dead Sea Scrolls, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_scrolls

    Also, some open-minded scholars may like to consider the Gospel of Judas. It is very interesting and provides yet another “angle” on debates of this kind. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas

  8. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP……… Its child abuse to feed and ‘nurture’ on, and expose a child at the age of 16 to, the same principles that were responsible for the enslaving and destruction of his foreparents without the option of exposing him to other concrete and factual philosophies. But had your parents known better, they would have done better.

    ‘According to Jude 14 and other Scriptures, I expect to be close by in the throng watching him doing it single handedly.
    He is expected to come visibly in physical form according to scriptures like Acts 1:11’ Oh GP if I could just save you from the wrath of ignorance that will be visited upon us all both bond and free, christian and non-christian! It is a waste of a human mind to be locked into a religious prison cell.

    Ephesians 6:12 explains what is happening on this planet today. Not only are they terra-forming our bodies with their genetically modified foods and vaccines, but they have also stepped up their encroachment upon our minds as well in a very big way with such weapons as EDOM- electronic distillation of memory which produces these ‘psychos’ that goes into schools and take out 10-15 students at a time. They are also using their HAARP technology which actually disrupts the ionosphere causing communication interference between our DNA and the cosmos. Do you see how our children are so distracted with all these electronic devices thinking that they are ‘cool.’ Walk the street today in any major city and everyone is busy on a cell phone while their world is swirling out of control around them. This is all part of the Grand Design by those wielding the ‘illusion’ of power and control. This beast is the MATRIX.

  9. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP……Oh and that Pineal Gland does not only serve a physiological function it also has a spiritual function. See Genesis 32: 22-31. And this has nothing do with those imposters calling themselves israel or jews.

    Hotep!

  10. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    In all seriousness GP, does it not bother you – the number of simple questions that you, a scholar of such high learning, have been unable to answer convincingly about your faith?

    Questions like:

    1 – How come God could not have created a bible that everyone could understand (like any other book or manual)?

    2 – Why did Jesus answer simple questions in a manner which he said, was designed to deceive listeners?

    3 – As Technician asked, how come God made a mistake with the Devil and as a result, now have the whole world messed up? .. and what is to prevent that mistake recurring?

    4- If you and Zoe are already saved, does that mean that you can now do the dog without any worries? Is that thinking responsible for why Jippy Doyle is where he is today?

    …and if you consider your answers to have been convincing then I am even more worried for you…

    As far as Zoe’s response to Technician at 7.55 p.m., it is clear that Zoe operates under a unique and distinct style of logic that completely eludes the bushman. The last paragraph is a real classic…. ROTFL

    It would be really interesting if you two could desist from the notion that a discussion like this requires that you take a defensive position for every issue. How about we all explore these issues fully together???

  11. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    @Technician, “And my question to this is simply…How?”

    Very little direct information is given in the Scriptures concerning the origin and fall of Satan and his hosts, as evidently took place in the ages past before the creation of man.

    However, what little God has given to us in His Word, tells us, that:

    1) He is a created being, therefore dependent upon God for his very existence (Ezek. 28; 13,15).

    2) He was called Lucifer, which means ‘day star, son of the morning, or light bearer’. ( Isa. 14:12 with II Cor 11:14).

    His Fall.

    1) He was lifted up in ‘pride’ over his God-given wisdom, anointing and beauty (Ezek 28: 17; Prov 16:18; 18:12; I tim 3:6).

    2) He exalted himself, and came under condemnation (Isa. 14: 13-14; with I Tim 3:6).

    3) He manifested self-will against God’s will ( Isa. 14:13-15). Note the five “I will’s” of Lucifer’s ambition here.

    a. I will ascend into heaven. Self-will.
    b. I will exalt my throne above the stars
    of God. Self-exaltation.
    c. I will sit upon the mount of the
    congregation in the sides of the
    north. Self-enthronement.
    d. I will escend above the heights of the
    clouds. Self-ascension.
    e. I will be like the Most High. Self-
    deification

    4. He fell through pride and self-will, the very essence of sin (Isa 14:12 with Prov 16:18 and Luke 10:18). He wanted to be independent of God. He rebelled against God.

    5. He fell as lightning (Luke 10: 18; II Cor 11:14).

    6. He was cast down by God in this self-deification (Eze 28: 16-17)

    7. He was the original sinner, and iniquity (lawlessness) was found in him ( Eze 28: 15, 16, 18, I John 3:8).

    8. He did not abide in the truth. He was self-deceived (John 8:44).

    9. He became a liar and muderer (John 8:44).

    10. He is the source of ALL SIN and in him “The Mystery of Iniquity” is personified. He is the original Antichrist (II Thess. 2:7; Gen. 3:1-6). He was the first apostate and caused other angels to sin in heaven.

    Satan who was Lucifer, obviously led the angelic hosts in heaven, and influenced a number of angels to rebel with him against their creator God.

    He and these others rebellious angels were instantly cast out; so that Satan is no longer there.

    The scriptures clearly show that there are legions or myriads of angelic beings They speak of multitudes of spirit beings who worship and serve God (Dan 7: 9-10; Matt 26: 53).

    In the vast multitude of angelic hosts, Scripture reveals that there are two groups, ‘elect’ and fallen angels

    1. Elect Angels ( I Tim 5:21). These are the angels which did not follow Lucifer in his rebellion.

    2. Fallen Angels ( II Peter 2:4; Jude 6:9). These are angels which fell by the sin of self-will.

    ” I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the ‘Elect’ angels…” (I Tim 5:21).

    The word ‘elect’ with reference to angels is from the Greek, “Eklektos” ‘To choose, select. Chosen, select.”

    Almighty God, therefore, after the rebellion of Lucifer and his hosts, ‘Elected’ by His soverienghty myriads of angelic hosts, that are sealed unto Him in Holiness and worship.

  12. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Yes, Religion is man in utter futility and folly, trying to figure out, and find God!

    Mankind can know nothing about Almighty God, until He reveals Himself through special Divine revelation, which He has to initiate, and DID in fact do.

    “In the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth.” (Gen 1:1).

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. ALL things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.” (John 1: 1-4)

    “And the LIGHT shines in the darkness, and the DARKNESS did NOT comprehend it.” (v. 5)

    “And the Word became flesh, (Jesus) and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. ” (v. 14).

    “God, who at various times and in various way spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the BRIGHNESS of His glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding ALL things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our SINS, sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high.” (Heb. 1: 1-3).

    Any attempt to start any inquiry other than at, and from the ‘Beginning’ of all things, as Divinely revealed, with only leave you, groping’ in DARKNESS!

    As, “And the LIGHT shines in the DARKNESS, and the DARKNESS did NOT comprehend it.”

    Comprehend, is from the Gk word ‘katalambano’ and carries these concepts.

    ‘To seize, lay hold of, overcome. Therefore, the DARKNESS does not gain control of it; does not, and cannot perceive, attain, lay hold of with the mind; to apprehend with mental or moral effort. The ‘darkness’ is unreceptive and does NOT undersrand it. The darkness will NEVER be able to eliminate it.

    Light and darkness essentially are antagonistic. They simply cannot coexist. Darkness is ‘nothingness’ whereas, LIGHT is something!!!

    Jesus Christ IS the LIGHT of the world, he who follows Him, shall not walk in darkness!

  13. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Oh GP……..I’m also glad to hear that the Black children of the SUN are returning to the science of their foreparents. Hyperdimensional science. It will set our minds free from this bondage we’re in now. Remember it was the christians who came and persecuted our Ancestors for using this science and then they told us that it was of the devil, because they were afraid of it. He could not understand it. Then they fettered us with their bogus science which is even ‘wus than that ‘obeah’ because they are constantly changing their so-called scientific findings year after year whereas the science of our Ancestors was and is real. So I’ll say to those Oracles and Channellers to stay in the Spirit.

    And as for that Canon L. Armstrong, he has just cemented the fact that, that little allogorical black book has been misinterpreted for centuries and has kept out minds in total lockdown. More reason why it should not be adhered to by our people for liberation, because the deeper into it you go the more mired you become in teachings you don’t comprehend. Almost as bad as ‘Obeah.’ Hahahahaha!

  14. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Zoe….

    …..’1) He is a created being, therefore dependent upon God for his very existence (Ezek. 28; 13,15).

    Then by your logic, God can destroy him at any given time.
    Why then, put mankind through all this pain and suffering since this beef between them happened before the creation of man??
    Do you see how these simple questions I ask lead to major confusion??
    God has a warped sense of humor to me.

  15. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    @ Techi, Can our little finite minds, begin to comprehend the absolute Infinite, Eternal ways of Almighty God?

    God has given to us His Revelation of what He wants us to know and understand, in His Word, the Bible. Beyond that, I don’t bother with what He has not revealed.

    I simply take Him at His Word, He has never failed me yet!

    “Seek the Lord while He may be found. Call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts.”

    “For My thoughts are NOT your thoughts. Nor are your way My ways,” says the Lord.
    “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.”

    That’s good enough for me!

  16. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Tech……If you want to learn anything about that Bible you are barking up the wrong tree….Zoelos.

    ‘God has given to us His Revelation of what He wants us to know and understand, in His Word, the Bible. Beyond that, I don’t bother with what He has not revealed.’ Therein lies the problem, because according to Zoe, if it is not in that Bible, it is not revealed i.e. no one other than the authors of, and believers in that Bible knows anything of the Creator. This quote is coming from a very self-imposed- limited mind, who, in a world so vast with the wonders of the Creator, has placed itself in a prison of ignorance.

  17. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Bush Tea
    Q In all seriousness GP, does it not bother you – the number of simple questions that you, a scholar of such high learning, have been unable to answer convincingly about your faith?
    A- NO. There are a lot of questions that my medical colleagues & I can not answer TOO! But I guess you know that.

    Questions like:
    1 – How come God could not have created a bible that everyone could understand (like any other book or manual)?
    I don’t have to know the answers to every little question that men ask. I know that I understand the Bible fairly well.
    I know that I have read and listened to men who understand the Bible fairly well, despite the fact that we cant answer your questions.
    Being unable to answer every question about everything is not my aim in life.
    I hear that NEITHER the PM of Barbados who is paid handsomely, nor The President of the USA, who is thought to be a very powerful man DON’T HAVE ANSWERS ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS! AND THESE MEN ARE WORSHIPPED AND REVERED BY THE MASSES OF PEOPLE.

    2 – Why did Jesus answer simple questions in a manner which he said, was designed to deceive listeners?

    I don’t think that Jesus answered simple questions in a manner which he said, was designed to deceive listeners. That is your interpretation. It is not the interpretation of respected and reputable Bible scholars. I think I have sufficient intellect with the aid of the Spirit to sift out from what I read what is the truth. I don’t blindly follow any teacher, church dogma, or denominational dogma, honestly.

    3 – As Technician asked, how come God made a mistake with the Devil and as a result, now have the whole world messed up? .. and what is to prevent that mistake recurring?

    Why don’t you ask God that BT? Or do you know the answer? I have never announced on BU that I have the answer to ALL questions.

    I don’t think that God made a mistake. But then I believe the Scriptures that he has done all things well. I don’t understand many things about God and his methods, but that WILL NOT STOP ME FROM BELIEVING HIS WORD AND TRUSTING HIS WORD AND PROCLAIMING FAITH IN HIM.
    I will have lost NOTHING at all if God is not who he says he is in his Word.

    4- If you and Zoe are already saved, does that mean that you can now do the dog without any worries? Is that thinking responsible for why Jippy Doyle is where he is today?

    You clearly do not understand the concept of salvation by grace through faith in the death of Christ. You clearly do not understand the doctrine of salvation and its many facets.

    You clearly believe in salvation by works. And I will not be wasting my time to try to convince you otherwise. Unlike Zoe, I will not be arguing with anyone on this forum about the Bible. I will share what I have learned, where, and how I acquired the information, and the readers can make their own decisions, and even scoff or mock or whatever they seek to do. I can only hope that those who have read the proof texts I gave you will find some Spiritual food therein for that is what the Scriptures teach.

    The Scriptures are clear that salvation does not give a believer a license to sin. It also gives provision for acts of sin. See 1 John 1:9; 2:1-2 for starters.

    I am not here to judge Doyle or any other fallen pastor, because ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD….. and THE HEART IS DECCEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS AND DESPERATELY WICKED, WHO CAN KNOW IT? THAT INCLUDES MY HEART TOO. Maybe not yours. I don’t know.

    Re …and if you consider your answers to have been convincing then I am even more worried for you…

    BT don’t worry about me. I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which he has committed, unto him against that day.

    If Zoe’s logic eludes the bushman, that is not my problem. I understand what he says, even if his style is different to mine, but I think he has studied and rightly divides the Word WELL! I must confess though that I often have great trouble understanding what you say

    I don’t come here to take a defensive position on anything. I share my knowledge of the Word of God. I stick to what I know. I don’t have to explore anything but what the Word teaches. My interest is to START with the WORD, to STICK to the WORD, and to STAND on the WORD. I am not interested in any of man’s philosophies or speculations. I just don’t have the time.

    I share what I know and understand. If I don’t know or understand something I say that I don’t know or understand.

    I am a very very simple person.

  18. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    By the way BT, have you even explored the thought that Zoe or/I might really understand what we are saying and may even be right?

    No, I didnt think so? So why must we explore this and that? Whatever that means.

    Why do you guys always think we are defending anything? We are teaching Bible to those who will hear the WORD OF GOD.

  19. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    ‘Professing to be wise, they became fools” (Rom. 1:22).

  20. Pat Avatar
    Pat

    @ Bushtea:

    After that response from GP, you must now be in convulsions from rolling around on the floor laughing. I can hear the hiccups. Take slow deep breaths.

    Just leave the two preachers to their own devices. They not converting nor convincing anyone on this thread.

  21. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    You guys remind me of the special delegation of the scribes and the Pharisees who came from Jerusalem as mentioned in Mark 7.

    They had been sent to Galilee to spy on Jesus. THEY CAME TO EXPLORE! They were the intellectual opponents sent to trap the Lord Jesus. THEY CAME TO EXPLORE!

    Of course, it wasn’t difficult for them to find some fault because the Lord Jesus entirely ignored their traditions.

    Today, it is not hard for you to criticize the believer either, because believers are not perfect, and their doctrine does not really gel with the philosophies of men.

    Just as Jesus and his disciples were not keeping the traditions, which were the Jews interpretation of the Old Testament, today believers who seek to stick only to Bible doctrine rather than church dogma also encounter difficulty.

    This is because there are men who think that thier beliefs and philosophies, and thier church dogma should supercede the teaching of the Word of God

    Such men believe that they are so intelligent that they can question and scoff at the creator that made them.

    The Bible believer is in a quandary. No matter how he responds he is derided, disrespected and maligned!

    Just as there was bound to be a confrontation between the Lord Jesus and His followers and the Pharisees and their followers in Mark 7, the same scenario exists today.

    One group is made up of His friends, His followers, who love Him, and His Word. The second group is comprised of His enemies who seek to destroy Him and His Word.

    It has always been this way. There are two groups: those who trust Him and those who reject Him. To be personal, which group are you in? That makes all the difference in the world. The question is not whether you are a member of a church or have been through some ceremony; rather it is what is your relationship to Jesus Christ? That is the all-important question.

    In Jesus time, the Jews had forgotten the whole purpose of the laws that they had recieved—which is that a person must be made right with God before a relationship can be established. We find the same kind of thing today. So many people will argue points of religion when it is the Person of Jesus Christ that should be our concern.

  22. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Pat

    My aim is not to convert or convince any one. You and BTare free to believe what you wish.

    But I think that both Zoe & I have declared the word of God on this thread and this forum well.

    We have divided the Word correctly, in season and out of season as taught in the Word of God- rather than according to the rudiments of men, despite the scoffing, and derision.

  23. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    Thanks GP, I understand your position. No need to be so defensive…. I just wanted to point out that we are clearly different.

    An answer of NO to the root question would bother me no end…. In fact, even if I buy a piece of equipment I find it impossible to rest until I can understand exactly how it works….

    Obviously I had the identical problem with my faith and I took the necessary steps needed to ‘understand’.

    Just two points to clarify:-
    1 – I asked about SIMPLE questions. I would be surprised if you medics were unable to answer SIMPLE medical questions.

    2 – Jesus HIMSELF, when asked by his disciples why he spoke to the people in parables, said that it because his aim was NOT for the people to understand, (although the disciples could). “so that seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not understand…”
    …then (significantly), he asked his disciples “So don’t you understand the parable? in not, how will you understand ANY…?”

    So GP, my problem is as follows. If the Bushman cannot understand the ‘parables’, then who is to say that he is not one of those who are “hearing but not understanding”?

    … no doubt you are aware that many of those following Jesus around were religious sects who knew the OT like the back of their hands…..”but without a parable spoke he not unto them ”

    Finally, here is the really difficult part: THE REASON he hid the message from them was “least at any time they should be converted, and their sin forgiven them” Mark 4:12 (as I am sure you know.)

    …can you see why the bushman worries about understanding?

  24. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    Hi Pat, long time….

    Actually, I did not ROTFL at GP’s response because I understand where he is coming from.

    Although he and Zoe cuss the bushman and call me a ‘biblical idiot’, the truth is that these two have been the most responsive debaters that I have had in 30 years….. and I have been call much worse – and I mean by my friends (ROTFL)

    Most others (like ST for example LOL) usually just call the Bushman by some tag and run off… while MME just stays on the sideline watching me squirm…

    ..no skin off the Bush-back. If Jesus did not seek to proselytize why should the Bush tea?

  25. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Hopi ,

    You are not fair when you write about Zoe
    ‘God has given to us His Revelation of what He wants us to know and understand, in His Word, the Bible. Beyond that, I don’t bother with what He has not revealed.’ Therein lies the problem, because according to Zoe, if it is not in that Bible, it is not revealed i.e. no one other than the authors of, and believers in that Bible knows anything of the Creator. This quote is coming from a very self-imposed- limited mind, who, in a world so vast with the wonders of the Creator, has placed itself in a prison of ignorance.

    But we get from you a litany and tirade about the BLACK MAN, hir origins, his wisdom, his works, his wonders ad infinitum adnauseamque. It is your right to believe this if you wish

    Dare we ask if your opinions come also from a very self-imposed- limited mind? Dare we suggest that you have also placed yourself in a prison of ignorance?
    Dare we to suggest also that you should now go in to convulsions from rolling around on the floor laughing, and have hiccups, necessitating that you take slow deep breaths.

    Dare we to suggest that there are some scoffers and explorers who seem genuinely unable to add anything to the discussion except to critique, and ask what they consider simple questions, which though they themselves can not answer them, expect believers to answer them?

    Why should the believers on this forum- whom you consider dumb, and worthy of mocking degradation and disrespect- be able to answer questions that you intellectuals and philosophers can not yourself answer?

  26. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    BT
    Re
    Although he and Zoe cuss the bushman and call me a ‘biblical idiot’

    At know time have I called you a Biblical idiot or any other name- and you know it.

    I said in good English that you do not understand the doctrine of salvation.

    I wish I was home to lend you Evans’ GREAT DOCTRINES OF THE BIBLE,which is the simplest Systematic Theology I can think of.

    Forgive me if I dont engage much tonight or tomorrow as I may not have the time .

    Re I asked about SIMPLE questions. I would be surprised if you medics were unable to answer SIMPLE medical questions.

    The history of Medical History reveals that the answers to SIMPLE questions were not grasped for a LONG LONG TIME. I hope you get my drift!

    Some of the questions you and Technician call SIMPLE are clearly not SIMPLE! Else you would have the answers by now by your own arguement!

    You know very well too that the Bajan use of the phrase a “simple question” is often a misnomer BT.

  27. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP…….I say NO to your rhetoric! The world in which I live and move is more real than the world of that Bible in which you and Zoe pretend to live. When people don’t want to face reality they can make all kind of excuses, like running to the Bible — a book that was written by ignorant men for the imprisoning of the minds of other ignorant men. Whether or not you accept it, Christianity and its Manifest Destiny have a very NEGATIVE and DETRIMENTAL impact on most of the people of this planet. It affects our daily existence. I know its not easy having to hear this on a daily basis, but you can bury your head in the sand all you want, IT IS WHAT IT IS! The day that the Black man awaken and shake off all of its vices then I wouldn’t have to talk about it. I know that Alkebulan has no significance to a lot of Black people, but that doesn’t mean that it is NOT SIGNIFICANT. So stay with your Bible and I’ll try to learn more info from the Ancestors!

  28. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Seven Wonders Of The Word.

    1. The absolute wonder of its formation- the way in which it grew is on of the mysteries of all time.

    2. The wonder of its unification – a library of 66 books, yet one book.

    3. The wonder of its age – most ancient of all books.

    4. The wonder of its sale – best-seller of ALL TIME, and of any book!

    5. The wonder of its interest – only book in the world, read by all clases of people.

    6. The wonder of its language – written largely by uneducated men, YET, the best book ever, from a literary standpoint.

    7. The wonder of its preservation – the most hated of all books, yet it continues to exist.

    Bible and Archaeological Testings.

    Dr. Robert Dick Wilson, former professor of Semitic philology at Princeton Theological Seminary, said, “After forty-five years of scholarly research in biblical textual studies and in language study. I have come now to the conviction that NO man knows enough to assail the truthfulness of the Old Testament. Where there is sufficient documentary evidence to make an investigation, the statements of the Bible, in the original text, have stood the test.”

    And the noted Dr. J.O. Kinnaman, said:

    “Of the hundreds of thousands of artifacts found by the archaeologists, not one has ever been discovered that contradicts or denies one word, phrase, clause, or sentence of the Bible, but always confirms and verifies the facts of the Biblical record.”

    Just like the scientific record of the billions of FOSSILS found, each and every time, they ALL appear, fully formed, exactly as they were Created, as stated in the Genesis account of Creation!

  29. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Hopi
    Zoe or I do not live or pretend to live in some imaginary Biblical world. We live in the contemporary world. We differ in that though black, like you , we believe that the Bible is the sole authority for faith and practice, and we seek to model and teach that.

    Whereas you harp upon your blackness, we sing the praise of Him who died on Calvary’s tree for the sins of the world or the whole world of sin. I think we have the right to do that, just as you have the right to major on Black History.

    You can not determine that believers are running to the Bible as a form of escapism because they do not want to face reality, because you don’t have the facts. One cannot adjudicate correctly without the facts.

    Also there is a distinction that critics fail to see. There is Christianity and there is CHRISTENDOM. Two different things. True Christianity is but a very small part of CHRISTENDOM

    Repeating that the Bible was written by ignorant men for the imprisoning of the minds of other ignorant men does not, and will not make it so.

    The NEGATIVE and DETRIMENTAL impact on most of the people of this planet is a result of sin! Sinful greedy men do evil wicked things whether they call themselves Christians or what ever they chose to call themselves.

    You have obviously studied Black History and understand it well. It is important and has great significance for you. I appreciate your scholarship, but the subject off your special interest means nothing to me; just as the subject off my main special interest ( the Bible) means nothing to you. But it should be obvious to you that I have obviously studied the Bible and understand it well.

    I know a man that honours all men that come and sits in his porch to drink rum and tal, for their knowledge and half knowledge of all subjects under the sun, and totally disregards the fact that his own son is as knowledgeable in the Scriptures as any of the other men in what they purport to know. That is in my view child abuse!

    Re ……… Its child abuse to feed and ‘nurture’ on, and expose a child at the age of 16 to, the same principles that were responsible for the enslaving and destruction of his foreparents without the option of exposing him to other concrete and factual philosophies. But had your parents known better, they would have done better.

    Bovine excrement!
    In our culture in the 50’s and 60’s, when common sense still reigned children were exposed to Biblical or moral values that has served Barbados well! That can not be disputed. This is in marked contrast to those produced subsequently. I know this first hand, because I met them in the courts and prison, and I witnessed their wicked deeds at crime scenes all over Barbados!

    I was brought up as an Anglican, and at age 16 while running behind a girl I fancied heard the gospel message preached! My parents didn’t abuse me by allowing me to leave the Anglican church, nor did they purchase any of the books I studied to gain my Bible knowledge. What child abuse what!

    Why do you think that I am locked in a religious prison cell. I am also a keen student of cricket, and I can boast that in 1985 I influenced the GOB to introduce the NHS from the polyclinics, instead of stupidly copying the British NHS.

    My human mind is only wasted to the extent where it lacks the opportunity to apply it to scenarios that benefits others. For example I wanted to do work as a medical missionary, but cant see why or how I can raise my own support to do so.I believe if a Mission Board wants me to serve full time, that they should see that I am fed and looked after and my basic needs met.

    Ephesians 6:12 does largely explain what is happening on this planet today. Spiritual wickedness in high places. I don’t don’t about “This beast is the MATRIX.” But I know that the BEAST of REVELATION is a person yet to be officially or publically revealed by his master the Dragon or Satan himself.

  30. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    BT
    Yes we are different. I do not have the patience with small things and electronics. I can do hard manual work or stir concrete all day- or I used to be able to. That used to turn me on, on my real estate projects.

    I have never had problems with my faith. I have described to you how I learned the Bible and how my faith developed. In all my studies of any subject, I have sought to master as many things that I can in given time. What you call SIMPLE questions (and you know that they are not simple, or they would have truly simple answers) I leave for last, or leave out all together!

    As a Dr I don’t need to know all the intricacies of the brain to treat you adequately. If BT appears in front of me with a neurological problem, I know enough to recognize that he has A neurological problem, even if I don’t know exactly WHICH neurological problem. So I SIMPLY send BT in HASTE to he who knows much about neurological problems. ITS THAT SIMPLE. I know as a SIMPLE man, that I CANNOT KNOW EVERYTHING. Man MY FATHER ALWAYS TELING ME YOU DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING! Don’t you think that I know that I DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING by now?

    Same with the Bible. I have a good idea how to survey the Bible, and I have mastered many of the books- not all, as well as what is commonly called THE GREAT CHAPTERS OF THE BIBLE, for obvious reasons. I have read and studied Systematic Theology, eg doctrine of God, of the Son , of the Spirit, of Sin, of the Second Coming etc

    I have approached my Bible study seriously, sincerely, stedfastly etc and YET I DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING! And I am supposed to do what with those who have done none of this except to ask so called SIMPLE QUESTIONS, and mock and scoff, and those who can only quote obscure texts out of contexts? It is hilarious!

    Discussions on the parables and Jesus teachings is another issue for another time BT.

    BT work with what you do understand. That will help you in understanding wha you don’t understand…………..eventually! You think I waste time trying to understand much of what I don’t understand, such as WHY DO EVIL MEN GET THROUGH AND MEK NUFF MONEY AND ALWAYS GOT WUK, whereas men who are trying to live for God dont? Despite what the Bible says about the end of the same wicked !

    I don’t understand it. Thinking about it makes me miserable. So I leave that out, and go do happy things cause I cant change the fact that EVIL MEN GET THROUGH AND MEK NUFF MONEY AND ALWAYS GOT WUK, whereas men who are trying to live for God dont? Despite what the Bible says about the end of the same wicked

    I gone till next time. Cause we got to get back to the RISE OF THE ANTICHRIST!

  31. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Lessening Load!

    A black man, carrying a bag of potatoes on his back, was asked by a skeptic: ” How do you know you are Saved?

    The black man took a few steps and then dropped the bag. Then he said:

    “How do I know I have dropped the bag? I have not looked around.”

    “No” replied the man. “You can tell by the lessening of the weight.”

    “Yes,” went on the black man, “That is how I know I am Saved. I have lost the guilty feeling of sin and sorrow, and have found peace and satisfaction in my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.”

    Full Coverage.

    “I have an insurance policy; Written in the blood of the Lamb; Sealed by the Cross of Jesus, Redeemable wherever I am!”

    “The company will never go bankrupt; It is bonded by God’s promise true; It will keep every word of its contract, Exactly what it says, it will do.”

    “I don’t have to die to collect it, No premiums do I have to pay; All I do is to keep God’s promise, And walk in His holy way.”

    “No collector will ever come calling; It was paid in full on Calvary’s tree; It insures me for living and dying; And for all eternity.”

  32. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Epigram:

    “Morality may keep you out of jail, but it takes the Blood of Jesus Christ to keep you out of Hell.”
    -Spurgeon.

  33. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP…….Time is longer than twine and I would like to be alive to see this whole religious scam to to head because many a souls will be sorely disappointed. When people don’t want to deal with reality they pick up the bible and that it has been prophesied, just so they can continue to sit on their arses and wait for someone/thing to come down and save them. But you folks can stay in your sleepless slumber!

  34. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    “You cannot cure a blind man by increasing the light.”

    Nor, “Do you have to lite a candle to see the sun.”

  35. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    HOPI, It ain’t going to happen, you’ll end up going from the ‘frying’ pan, where you now reside, into the FIRE; then you’ll believe, but, it’ll be TOO LATE!!!

  36. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Zoelos….“You cannot cure a blind man by increasing the light.” Only someone with tunnel vision can spew forth such ‘enlightened’ crap.

  37. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    HOPI, You should know, as you’re covered in IT!!!

  38. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Zoe…

    Seriously though….what kind of Christian are you??

    I mean, look at GP…he makes his points and moves on whether or not we agree with him.
    You on the other hand, are like a child making sure he/she has the last word in.
    When I see you behaving like this (unchristian like behavior) it give me the impression that you are not steadfast or committed to your beliefs.
    Some example you are setting for someone who is supposed to spread the word.

  39. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Jesus said, “Go tell that fox (Herod), ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.” (Luke 13: 32).

    Paul said to the empty-headed at Corinth, “But if anyone is IGNORANT, let him be ignorant.” ( I Cor. 14:38).

    Some of the synonyms of ‘crap’ are ‘nonsense’ ‘baloney’ ‘bilge’ ‘bunk’
    ‘hogwash’ ‘rot’ if you are talking Hogwash or Crap, that is what you need to be told; or maybe just a plain old fox! Just like Herod, or even more bluntly, as Paul said, ‘Ya ignorant!

  40. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    WOW !!!

    Using the Bible to be dismissive to others….how christian like.

    Then you would want to preach to others about taking the good book out of context.

    You never fail to amaze me.

  41. Pat Avatar
    Pat

    @ Zoe,

    With christians like you, no wonder the religion is not gaining any souls or as you would call them, saints.

    The behaviours of so-called christians, more than my non-belief in Bible stories and its Hebrew god, is why I refused to indoctrinate my son in any religion. I always told him when he comes of age and he wants to join, he can so so. He is now 27 and does not seem in any hurry.

    Mind you, he went to a Separate School and was taught religion, but the science teachers, I would guess, were better at their craft. He does not believe in creation as outlined in the Bible, but in evolution. After being trained as an engineer it is unlikely he will change his mind.

  42. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    To you non-believers, you’ll find any excuse not to deal with truth, facts, and evidence; and BTW, Christianity is growing by multiplied millons all over the world, every month, and right here in B’dos, it is also growing; not the traditional churchs, but, where the Gospel is preached and taught according to God’s Word.

    You scoffers think you can heap scorn and centempt any time on those of us who stand up for the truth of God’s Word; but the minute we came back at you, not cursing in any way, but simply calling a spade a spade, then we have no right to speak that way; sorry, but that won’t work!

  43. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @Zoe…

    Your arrogance, pride and dismissive attitude has nothing to do with scoffers.

    It is the way you are as a person.

  44. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    ….and please dont say ‘we’ as it is only you, who has shown this attitude.

  45. Hog Squeal Avatar
    Hog Squeal

    David Thompson and the Democratic Labour Party do not know what they are doing and Barbadians are paying a very high price for the ruling Party’s, poor judgment; bad decisions and political incompetence.

    This first term of David Thompson is looking a lot like the last term of Erskine Sandiford but this country cannot take another four years of 8%-cut-Sandi.

    Between 1991 and 1994 when Erskine Sandiford ran the Barbados economy into the ground, he turned to David Thompson and made him Minister of Finance.

    Now that Thompson has triggered a meltdown of the Barbados economy, he turns to Sandiford, to who he is a going to sub-let the economy leadership of the Barbados economy, for the next four years.

    If the “BEAST” is economic hardship, political incompetence and intellectual weakness, then it is already here and has been since January 15, 2008.

    How do we get rid of the “BEAST”? Simple, call elections, that is – if we do not like eveil.

  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Hog Squeal
    Re
    If the “BEAST” is economic hardship, political incompetence and intellectual weakness, then it is already here and has been since January 15, 2008.How do we get rid of the “BEAST”? Simple, call elections, that is – if we do not like eveil.

    Unfortunately, Sir the BEAST is NOT economic hardship, political incompetence and intellectual weakness, though these things might indeed be beastly! You can somehow live with the situation that you think is the Beast, but trust me when the BEAST holds sway it WILL BE FAR HARDER, and unfortunately one be able to eradicate him as simply as holding an election!

  47. Hog Squeal Avatar
    Hog Squeal

    Georgie Porgie

    I maintain:

    “If the “BEAST” is economic hardship, political incompetence and intellectual weakness, then it is already here and has been since January 15, 2008.

    How do we get rid of the “BEAST”? Simple, call elections, that is – if we do not like eveil.”

    Pastor Durant, Pastor Holford, Lucille Baird, the Rev. at Christ Church Parish Church (who is now the Chairman of the QEH) and others said that Thompson was chosen by God.

    Perhaps they mean the anti-christ. I maintain that Barbadians are clear about who and what the beast is.

    It is in an economic form and was able to decive the Church. The Church even told us that Thompson has a hailo. Go and look at the newspapers.

    Pray!!!

    Wasn’t Thompson born on December 25th. See what I told you!!

  48. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Hog Squeal
    Thompson might have born on December 25th but he is neither Christ, nor is he the antichrist. The antichrist is/will not only be a deceiver but he will be an exceptionally smart man capable of attracting the whole world to himself.

    Thompson pails in insignificance to antichrist.

    Pastor Durant, Pastor Holford, Lucille Baird, the Rev. at Christ Church Parish Church may well be correct that he was chosen by God; so is Obama, and so was Nubuchadnezzar, and Titus in 70 AD.

    Sometimes God choses wicked or incompetent or deceitful or popular leaders (at the time they came to prominence) to whip his people into shape. So as you say, BAJANS SHOUD PRAY.

    See 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    Thompson and the DLP might currently be a Beast, or beastly to you and many in Bim today, but the economic situation today is mild to that in the time of the day. You can still buy and sell freely (if you have money). But when the real BEAST comes to the fore, you will need his mark to even buy and sell. The formation of the NEW World Order points to his revelation soon man, so pray!

    Thompson is mild to the beast man….a mere likkle boy at the Sunday school excursion man. Barbadians are DEFINITELY NOT clear about who and what the beast is, yeh.

    Thompson and the DLP might currently be a Beast or beastly to you and many in Bim today, but HE IS DEFINITELY NOT THE BEAST. The Beast will operate on an international scale. Thompson cant even manage our likkle nation of 166 square miles.

    Don’t mek people laff man……… although you might think that the situation in Barbados is NOT funny.

    This thread is about Bible prophesy man, not rum shop politics, man. LOL

    I beg ya man, don’t descend to talking the level of bovine excrement as a certain fella who come in BU with flights of fancy and illusions and strange interpretations of simple texts, in clear breach of Cooper’s laws of Biblical interpretation and sound Hermeneutics. LOL

    But I understand how you must feel, when you hear a man sounding good, smiling sweet, telling lies and incompetent etc. The first set of features may have fooled you. But man when you see the impotence and incompetence in Davey you should have known that this mouse aint no beast man. He might be a bogus beast but he aint no beast man. You have to have all the ducks in the row before you come to the diagnosos of beast man.LOL

    the BEAST will NOT BE INCOMPETENT IN DOING WHAT HE WILL DO.

    For example THE BEAST WOULDA GOT RICKY SINGH, FARIA & ALL OF THE ILLEGAL GUYANESE OUT OF BARBADOS EVER SINCE,,,,,,,,,,,, CAUSE NONE OF THEM DON’T HAVE THE BAJAN MARK! LOL

    I agree wid yuh doh about PRAYING.
    Be good.

  49. Hog Squeal Avatar
    Hog Squeal

    The antichrist is/will not only be a deceiver but he will be an exceptionally smart man capable of attracting the whole world to himself.

    Thompson pails in insignificance to antichrist.

    *********************
    You make a sound point, but how did Barbados move from a position in December 2008 when Prime Minister Thompson was telling Barbadians to: “spend widely,” to him telling Barbadians five months after that they need to “cut and contrive.”

    I understand the “BEAST” to be about deception.

    Would David Thompson’s failed 90 and 100 day promises constitute deception?

    In addition to Thompson, the Advocate, Pastor Holdford, Pastor Durant, Lucille Baird, and the Rev. at the Christ Church parish Church who is now the Chairman and the QEH, and eight thousand others – must accept full responsibility for any and all IMF-styled, Thompson/Sandi hardship – Barbadians face within the next four year.

    The Church said Thompson was sent from on-high but he is causing hardship on our Land. is he the one? You know – the anti-christ?

    Where is his mark? It must be some where on his body. Who can we ask?

  50. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Hog squel

    You studying Prime Minister Thompson too much, but yes David Thompson’s failed 90 and 100 day promises may probably constitute deception.

    But remember political leaders have masters you know. They are merely the puppets of the ones who paid to get them in power, man. This is why they often have to recant from positions they made in the political campaigns in which they were elected.

    Obama is another one touted by some to be the antichrist who has to now recant fro positions he probably sincerely held during the election.

    You say that the Church said Thompson was sent from on-high and they can probably support their argument by quoting Romans 13:1 which says Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

    This is even if the ordained power is causing hardship on our Land.

    Skipper, you like you cant understand according to the Bible that the Antichrist will come to the fore after the rapture of the church. Even if that was to occur today (and it can) Thompson is not smart enough to be the anti-christ or the beast!

    Don’t worry about Thompson mark and where it is. Accept Jesus, and you will be safe when the real beast comes.

    Meanwhile, keep out of the way of Thompson and both the DLP & the BLP. Seek Christ instead man.

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