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Not since the days of the Gladston Holder columns in the Barbados media have Barbadians been kept abreast of the occurrences which involve the Council for Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission or even the Bilderberg family influence on world politics. Barbadians, including the media appear to be very comfortable ferreting world news from CNN and the BBC.

BU like millions around the world have been enthralled by the new entrant to the White House. President Barack Obama is without question a departure from the old guard. Some say any perceive change should only be taken as token. Many of the appointments in the Obama government represent prominent individuals who have worked in Washington in the recent past and are regarded as part of the status quo. For example, there is the influential position of Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner, the former head of the Federal Reserve of New York. How can Geithner be responsible for changing Wall Street when he is a product of the system?

The video above is one hour and 53 minutes long and paints an intriguing picture of Obama and the shadow government which runs the US government. While BU is inclined to ask questions we are not sure we fully buy in to the positions expressed in the video.

What do you think?

Thanks to BU family member Hopi!

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725 responses to “The Obama Deception Video, Deceiver Or Saviour?”

  1. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    TALKING ABOUT TYPES AGAIN

    There are two “rests” in Ruth chapter three, two blessed portrayals of the rest that God provides.

    There was a rest for Ruth (v.1). This is the rest of faith, which we have stressed in this chapter. Sinners coming to Christ cease from their own works and rest in him (Matthew. 11:28-29).

    Ruth desisted from her own efforts foir salvation and rested on Boaz- a type of Christ the only provider of salvation (Jojn 14:6, Acts 4:12, 1 Tim 2 :5-6)

    There is also a rest for Boaz-the kinsman redeemer (v.18). The Lord Jesus Christ, once he finished the work of redemption for us, entered into his rest; and his rest is glorious (Hebrews. 4:10; Isaiah. 11:10).

    Ruth stayed at Boaz’s feet all night. Boaz took great care to protect her. And he provided her with all she needed. She had his heart. She got his name. She had his corn. And she had him! When Ruth returned home she told Naomi all about Boaz. And Naomi assured Ruth of Boaz’s faithfulness (v. 18; Philippians 1:6; 1 Thessalonians. 5:24).

    The Lord Jesus Christ is to his people all that Boaz was to Ruth. He has done for us all that was pictured in Boaz’s works of redemption for Ruth. We have obtained in him spiritually all that Ruth obtained in Boaz.

    Christians seek to give themselves to Christ as Ruth gave herself to Boaz, and live altogether for the honor of him who is our kinsman Redeemer (Romans. 12:1-2;1 Corinthians 6:19-20; Titus 2:10).

    This is the typical teaching about Christ in Ruth.

    Read this little book and see if it is not only a little romantic story like a Mills & Boons without the greater beauty to the soul in the illustration about the Christ- the believer’s Boaz.

    True believers all over this globe interpret this Scripture the same way, because they have the same Resident Tutor (the Holy Spirit- 1 John 2:20 &27) as their interpreter.

  2. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Chris
    You can call me all the names you like. Thats OK. It wont stop me from rightly dividing the Word of Truth, nor giving an answer of the hope I have.

    Romans 1:16 -22 &28 says

    16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    17. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    18. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    22. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    28. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29. Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30. Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31. Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32. Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    Romans Chapter 2:4-12 points out

    Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

    5. But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6. Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

    7. To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8. But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9. Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

    10. But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11. For there is no respect of persons with God.

    12. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13. (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

  3. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Zoe writes :

    “Rok, you and others on this thread, are classic examples of.
    “Professing to be wise, they became fools” (Rom. 1:22).”

    ——

    Except of course it is you, Zoe/GP who has been calling people :

    – asinine
    – fools
    – ignorant
    – proper proper idiots

    Perhaps you need to take better notice of your own advice.

  4. CHRISTopher Halsall Avatar
    CHRISTopher Halsall

    @Georgina Pussy: “You can call me all the names you like.

    And I shall…

    (This is what is known as managing the message…)

    *You* called *me* out.

    Step up, or shut up…

    (LOL…)

  5. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    IMPORTANCE OF LOOKING FOR KEY WORDS in Bible Study as illustrated in the Book of Ruth. Didn’t you do it when you read Shakespeare?

    The two key words of the book of Ruth are “kinsman” (2:1, 20; 3:9, 12; 4:6, 14), and “redeemer” which give Boaz the title kinsman- redeemer. “The word goel, translated kinsman appears 13 times in Ruth. It basically means “one who redeems, ” and in the setting of Ruth refers to the near male relative of a deceased man who had the right and duty to buy back or redeem land which had been sold to another family, thus preventing the alienation of the land and the extinction of the family.

    If the nearest kinsman could not fulfill such a redemption, the next of kin (Boaz) had the opportunity.” Jensen notes that “the two key words are essentially synonymous, but the word “redeemer” is added since our English word “kinsman” usually suggests only the idea of family relationship.” He points out too that “the eight occurrences of the word “redeem” in chapter 4 translates the same Hebrew root as goel. ”

    “The keynote of the book of Ruth is the Kinsman- Redeemer. In him we see Christ, who has purchased the Church to be His bride. Thirty times in this short book the word “kinsman” is found, or “redeemer”, “near kinsman”, “next of kin”, “kindred”, – like things, all having reference to like things.

    How plainly this book is intended to teach the doctrine concerning Redemption is seen by examining Chapter 4:4-10.

    Here the word “redemption” occurs five times in three verses; and in the tenth verse, Boaz declares that in redeeming property he also purchases the widow of Mahlon to be his own wife. Nothing can explain the extreme minuteness of detail here except a typical design on the part of the inspiring Spirit. Our Lord Jesus had to become one with man in order to have the right to redeem. He is therefore our fellow-man; but if He had been involved in man’s fall and identified with man’s sin, He could not have acted as Redeemer.

    No sinner can redeem himself, much less can he redeem his brother. He is therefore, as the God-man, our Boaz (“Ability”); by that kinship and strength or ability, He is able to save to the uttermost all that come unto God by Him; i.e. “The Church which He hath purchased with His own blood” (Acts 20:28), because “Christ also loved the Church, and gave Himself for it; that He might present it to Himself a glorious Church, not having spot, or wrinkle or any such thing”.

    Aint that beautiful to see how all those NT Scriptures link with this little story of the outcast Maobitish woman Ruth. As Ephesians 2 teaches she was Godless hopeless and Christless until she met her Boaz. What a beautiful picture of GRACE & FAITH!

  6. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    HALSALL, true to form, a man can only speak from what is WITHIN Him, and so you do!

    As a man thinketh, SO DOES he speak! Keep speaking Halsall, lets see how much more arrogant ‘Hot Air’ in within you!

  7. CHRISTopher Halsall Avatar
    CHRISTopher Halsall

    @BU Family…

    Sigh…

    If any of you are interested in truly alternative, free thinking, ideas, please consider having a look at:

    http://www.skeptic.com/

    Namestie all. (Even Georgie Porgie.)

  8. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    More sermons…….

  9. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    …..’We have obtained in him spiritually all that Ruth obtained in Boaz.’…For a man who is a student of the bible you are nothing but an empty vessel. Ruth went unto Boaz in the middle of the night, tricked him and got him to “lay some pipe on her” and breed her for some barley. Yea that was some filial kinsman dirty dealings. Is that the relationship of christians to Christ?

  10. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Hopi, you are of a filthly, reprobate mind; you have NOTHING but DARKNESS in you, which is NOTHINGNESS!

  11. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    ZOE

    You don’t want nothing with me; keep yourself quiet. You are a fanatic and all you spout is fanaticism. The greatest lie of all is Christ; you accept the white man painting but yet accept the Biblical description which is anything but white; what a startling contradiction.

    You live in a fantasy world where any pillar could bring you crashing down. Christianity don’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny at all and the Christian defense is to start cursing and calling people ignorant and dark and calling down hell fire. It is no different now than it was in earlier times. We know we are Black people and if you black you full of blackness too. What makes you any more special than anybody else?

    If you choose to live a lie, go in a corner, don’t curse the darkness, light a candle. Those who would call others wicked are the most wicked of all. A drowning man would clutch at a straw.

    I am tired of the disrespect meted out by people of your ilk to others; despicable behaviour and call yourself people of spirit and people with a soul and people with a heart? Oh you hypocrites!

    … and that gives me another one: those who so proclaim the spirit are spiritless; see what comes forth from their mouths in the name of righteousness.

  12. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Zoe
    “HALSALL, true to form, a man can only speak from what is WITHIN Him, and so you do! As a man thinketh, SO DOES he speak! Keep speaking Halsall, lets see how much more arrogant ‘Hot Air’ in within you!”

    Right so when I read you I have to use the same yardstick, Right? This is how you thinketh:

    “You are a real JOKER!”

    “Hopi, you are of a filthly, reprobate mind; you have NOTHING but DARKNESS in you, which is NOTHINGNESS!”

    All that I see coming from you is empty so who are you to determine who is empty? So, as a man like you thinketh so do you speak. Those were your words; all about empty; that’s what you are, that’s what you think and that is what you speak, right?

  13. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Rok,

    Zoe never seems to listen to “her” own admonitions

  14. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Zoe…..”Hopi, you are of a filthly, reprobate mind; you have NOTHING but DARKNESS in you, which is NOTHINGNESS!” Please explain the filthy, reprobate mind. Didn’t Boaz screw Ruth for some wheat? Am I wrong? Why did you have to explain DARKNESS as NOTHINGNESS? Are you afraid of that darkness too? Or are you now realizing the POWER of DARKNESS which give birth to Light, the DARKNESS in which the Spirit moves! The DARKNESS that gives POWER to Black People that POWER that they have been denied for eons. That power that the peckawood tries to whitewash. The BLACKNESS that doesn’t need a Jesus Christ. Did you know that the melanin of the Black Man and Woman is a super-conductor of life. Why are white people taking melanin pills to make them dark? Do you know that Black people absorb all the negative, bullshit energy on this planet? Don’t get me started Zoe, I can go on and on about this DARKNESS.

  15. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Hopi …… Ruth went unto Boaz in the middle of the night, tricked him and got him to “lay some pipe on her” and breed her for some barley. Yea that was some filial kinsman dirty dealings. Is that the relationship of christians to Christ?

    Didn’t Boaz screw Ruth for some wheat? Am I wrong?

    Hopi, I am sorry to inform you that what you wrote above did not happen.
    Ruth did not trick Boaz. Nor did he “screw Ruth for some wheat.”

    Acting on Naomi’s instructions, Ruth went and laid at his feet and requested to do the part of the kinsman redeemer. She had that privilege because Boaz was her near kinsman. This point is stressed repeatedly in the narrative from chapter 2.

    In Chapter 4 you will note that before Boaz took her to wife he negotiated with another person who was a closer relative and had the first refusal as it were. Boaz thus proved himself in the book to be
    LEGALLY WORTHY
    LAVISHLY WEALTHY
    LOVINGLY WILLING to redeem Ruth. He is thus a perfect type of Christ, the Redeemer.

  16. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    I forgot to mention that what Ruth did was legitimate, as it was the custom of the day with respect to the law of the kinsman- and no sex was involved.

  17. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Zoe…..Another thing about this DARKNESS. Why do you think the money masters i.e those who have illusionary control of the world in the palm of their hands, hand-picked BaRat Obama and his BLACK wife to perform the post-mortem of the corpse? All along while America has been portrayed as a beacon of democracy that’s bringing ‘good’ to the world, when everything was just fine and dandy, no man who was phenotypically BLACK could be President, why at this particular junction?

  18. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    GP……Why did she have to wait until he was ‘drunk’ till ‘his heart was merry’ to go in unto him and ‘uncover his feet?’ Why didn’t she go unto him while he was awake and sober? Why did he have to ‘uncover his feet’? She only want to look at his ‘goods’? Why the need for him to ‘spread his skirt over his handmaid’? Why did she have to get that close to him?

  19. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    The text does not say he was drunk Hopi.

    You need to look up ‘uncover his feet’ and ’spread his skirt over his handmaid’ in the Hebrew. It does not mean whay you are referring.

    I have read several commentaries on Ruth by emminent Bible scholars from all over the world, you are the first person I have heard in 40 plus years with the inuendo you present.

    I understand that you are anti-Christ, and anti -Bible, but why do you seek to warp everything when clearly you have not studied or sought to faithfully understand the text?

  20. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    TEACHINGS ABOUT JESUS AND SALVATION BY REDEMPTION IN RUTH

    The truths about salvation in Ruth can be gleaned either historically or typically. The typical aspect is given here. It is to be noted in both aspects that Ruth was saved by faith in God, as clearly seen in chapter 1: 16-17.

    Typically it can easily be seen that Ruth represents the church the body of believers, whose lost condition is traced in chapter 1 to her salvation and exaltation in chapter 4.

    The truths about salvation in Ruth are brought out typically by Boaz representing Christ as the Kinsman-Redeemer. Archer points out that “The little book of Ruth is one of the most instructive in the Old Testament concerning the mediatorial work of the Lord Jesus.”

    In Luke 24:25-27, Jesus taught us to look for Him in the Old Testament, where he can be found in both prophecy and in type.

    While prophecies are verbal predictions of Christ, types are anticipations of Him in person, event, and institution. In the book of Ruth, Boaz, in his role as kinsman-redeemer, is a type of Christ.

    The book of Ruth speaks of Christ our Redeemer, and is a beautiful picture of the work of our Lord Jesus Christ as our kinsman Redeemer. It shows us both our need of a kinsman Redeemer and the way we may obtain the blessings of redemption.

    The whole book is a picture of our redemption by Christ, our kinsman Redeemer. The key word, used repeatedly in these four chapters is “kinsman” (2:1, 20; 3:9, 12; 4:6, 14). The kinsman is the one who has the right to redeem.

    The apostle Paul reminds us that in our fallen nature we have been sold to the slavery of sin (Romans 7:14). Therefore all mankind is in need of a redeemer. The principle of redemption is to be bought back from the bondage of sin and freedom from its control.

    The necessity of a kinsman redeemer, as it relates to its New Testament fulfillment is discussed in Hebrews 2:16-17 which teaches very clearly “For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.

    Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.”

    These verses bear a direct relationship to the promise that God made to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3. In order that the blessing to Abram could have the far-reaching effects and be extended to all the families of the earth in Abraham as God promised, Jesus had to take on human flesh.

    In order to bring salvation to Abraham and his descendents, Christ had to become one of Abraham’s descendents. He did not merely become a man. He became a Jew. He did this in fulfillment of the promise. He is the blessing through which all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

    It is very important to appreciate that it is only those who belong to Him who will be heirs with Abraham. (Galatians 3:29). Hebrews 2:18 explains that for Jesus to come to the aid of (or redeem) those who are tempted (and succumbed to sin) He had to suffer.

  21. AFRIKAN ROYALTY Avatar
    AFRIKAN ROYALTY

    it is really good to know that there brothers and sisters keeping the flame of afrikan pride burning.”BE AS PROUD OF YOUR RACE TODAY AS OUR FATHERS WERE IN THE DAYS OF YORE,WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HISTORY AND WE SHALL CREATE ANOTHER IN THE FUTURE THAT WILL ASTONISH THE WORLD”to hopi and others of the same mindstate it is a waste of energy and knowledge on person like zoe who we see have been “hood winked and bambozzled”your knowledge and energy should be focused on the rebuilding our nation one child at a time one community at a time leave these matrix dwellers to there empty rethoric because they are BLACKED OUT THROUGH WHITEWASH they are fixed on HIS STORY to them i say KNOW THY SELF

  22. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    In the Old Testament, kinsman-redeemers were relatives who protected needy members of their extended families.

    They could redeem a relative sold into slavery (Leviticus 25:47-49), or preserve the family line of a deceased male relative by marrying his widow and providing an heir (Deuteronomy 25:5-6).
    They could also redeem land that a poor relative had sold outside the family (Leviticus 25: 25), or even avenge the blood of a murdered relative (Numbers 35:19-21).

    The one who redeems evicts and dispossesses all those who have held his purchased property during the time of its bondage. He takes personal possession of that which has been bought back.

    Redemption presupposes a dreadful calamity. It presupposes the sin and fall of all the human race in our father, Adam, who sold us into bondage and sin (Romans. 5:12).

    But Christ, our Kinsman- Redeemer, bought us and brought us into liberty, righteousness, and life (Romans 5:19). Redemption by a near kinsman also presupposed personal inability (Psalms. 49:6-9).

    In order to redeem persons, land or lineage the potential Kinsman-Redeemer had to meet several qualifications or characteristics. It was only when a man possessed these qualities that he was permitted to perform this task of the Kinsman-Redeemer. In the Book of Ruth, Boaz, her kinsman-redeemer, typifies and beautifully portrays the Lord Jesus Christ, our Kinsman-Redeemer.

    The Lord Jesus fulfilled all of these characteristics of the Kinsman-Redeemer, presented in the scriptures

    To fully appreciate and understand the concept of the Kinsman-Redeemer as exercised in Ruth chapters 3 and 4 we must understand what is written in the law of God concerning redemption and the kinsman-redeemer. We must carefully consider the scriptures which deal with this subject.

    Leviticus 25:25-28 lays out God’s law concerning the redemption of property which had been sold. “If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold. And if the man have none to redeem it, and himself be able to redeem it; Then let him count the years of the sale thereof, and restore the excess unto the man to whom he sold it; that he may return unto his possession. But if he be not able to restore it to him, then that which is sold shall remain in the hand of him that hath bought it until the year of jubilee: and in the jubilee it shall go out, and he shall return unto his possession.”

    Leviticus 25:47-48 states the law of God relating to the redemption of people who had sold themselves into bondage. “And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that dwelleth by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger or sojourner by thee, or to the stock of the stranger’s family: After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him.” This prophetic law was given to be a picture of Christ and was fulfilled by him.

    Although we have no such specific laws in our modern culture, similar ones with which we are familiar, relate to pawning items and mortgages. An item that has been pawned, may be redeemed at the lawfully prescribed value by either the original owner or his lawful representative. The word “mortgage” is derived from two words meaning “death” and “pledge.” A mortgage is “a death pledge.” That which is mortgaged becomes dead, or entirely lost by the original owner’s failure to pay.

  23. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    The Law of the Kinsman Redeemer required that
    a. Kinsman-Redeemer be a male blood relative who, according to the laws noted above, had the privilege or responsibility to act for a relative who was in trouble, danger, or need of vindication.
    b. The kinsman-redeemer must be a divinely appointed redeemer. Only one who is appointed by God has the right to redeem. (John 10:16-18; Hebrews 10:5-14).
    c. The one that has right to redeem, must be a near kinsman (Hebrews 2:10-13).
    d. The kinsman-redeemer must be himself entirely free of the debt and of the bondage which had fallen on the one who was to be redeemed (Hebrews 7:26).
    e. The one who has right to redeem must be able to redeem. He must be able to fully satisfy all the demands of God’s law and justice for the kinfolk he represents.
    f. The one who has right to redeem must be willing to redeem, and pay the price. No one could be forced to redeem.
    g. The redemption made was always a particular and effectual redemption.
    h. The one who has the right to redeem must raise up a seed.

    By fulfilling these things Boaz was a type of Jesus the Antitype!

    The Law of the Kinsman Redeemer required that

    a. Kinsman-Redeemer be a male blood relative who, according to the laws noted above, had the privilege or responsibility to act for a relative who was in trouble, danger, or need of vindication. Jesus fulfilled this requirement fully.

    b. The kinsman-redeemer must be a divinely appointed redeemer. Only one who is appointed by God has the right to redeem. (John 10:16-18; Hebrews 10:5-14).

    c. The one that has right to redeem, must be a near kinsman (Hebrews 2:10-13). The Scriptures are very explicit that this redeemer must be related to the one whom he is going to buy back out of slavery, and that he must be a Kinsman or blood relative. Since the ones who were to become children were flesh and blood – that is, they were mortal men, so also Christ took on flesh and blood and became a mortal man. Jesus took on flesh and became a Kinsman to the human race in order that He might redeem men from sin. Essentially, Jesus is able to redeem, because he is himself both God and man. The Son of God became our kinsman by his incarnation.

    Jesus satisfied this requirement because God sent Jesus into the world’s slave market of sin to purchase men from their bondage of sin. He became a Kinsman by taking on flesh and becoming a man. Christ by His incarnation became our blood relative so that he might redeem lost humanity. Jesus took on flesh and became a Kinsman to the human race in order that He might redeem men from sin. It was impossible for God to save us apart from the incarnation of Christ. God could not die for us because God cannot die. He is eternal life and He is the source of all life. Only by being born as a man and taking on human flesh could He experience death for us.

    Since the ones who were to become children were flesh and blood – that is, they were mortal men so also Christ took on flesh and blood and became a mortal man. Hebrews 2:11-12 thus teaches “ For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, saying, “I will proclaim Thy name to My brethren, in the midst of the congregation I will sing Thy praise, And again, “I will put My trust in Him” And again, “Behold, I and the children whom God has given Me.”

    The Old Testament prophets promised that One would come who would be the Kinsman Redeemer of all men. He would set right those things that had been made wrong by sin. He would set free those who were in bondage to sin. He would purify those who were unclean. He would sanctify His people. The work of Christ did much more than merely provide a fire insurance policy to protect us from hell. Jesus set us apart or sanctified us and made us a part of a special people, known as the family of God. This is in keeping with the promises made to the patriarchs to the effect that he would be our God, that we would be his people, and his inheritance. God kept His promise in Christ – the Kinsman Redeemer.

    Since then the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook in the same (Hebrews 2:14).

    Although the doctrine of redemption from sin is taught extensively in the New Testament, it is not connected closely with the Old Testament concept of kinsman-redeemer. Christ can, however, be regarded as an example of a kinsman-redeemer since he identified himself with us and redeemed us because of our need. Hebrews 2:16-18 and 4:14-16 point out that besides being our redeemer from sin, Jesus is also a kinsman to us and understands our struggles. Thus he is able to help us in our times of need.

    Ruth 2:1 states that Boaz’s pedigree qualified him to perform the role of kinsman-redeemer to Ruth and Naomi. Similarly, Christ assumed our nature, so that he could be our near kinsman and our kinsman-redeemer. John 1:14a teaches that “The Word was made flesh,” and Hebrews 2:14-17 makes it clear that the Son of God became a flesh and blood human being so that as the God-Man he could defeat our great enemy and liberate us from the terrors of hell. God the Son did not become an angel, but a human being. He wanted to be like His brothers and sisters “in all things.” Thus he became our perfect kinsman-redeemer. The Lord Jesus became flesh and blood so that He could be our Redeemer.

  24. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    d. The kinsman-redeemer must be himself entirely free of the debt and of the bondage which had fallen on the one who was to be redeemed (Hebrews 7:26).

    A slave was unable to purchase another slave. From the day that Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden to this day, all have been under that bondage. Since Jesus Christ was the only man who has ever been free from sin, and the bondage of sin, only Christ was qualified to set us free.

    e. The one who has right to redeem must be able to redeem. He must be able to fully satisfy all the demands of God’s law and justice for the kinfolk he represents.

    If a would-be redeemer did not have the necessary sum of money which was required to pay the purchase price, then he would not be able to redeem his relative. That Jesus was able to pay the ransom price is clearly stated in 1 Peter 1:18-19, where we read “Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.” I John 2:2 teaches that Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.

    Titus 2:14 teaches that Jesus “gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.”

    Galatians 3:13 reveals that “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”).”

    Ephesians 1:7 asserts that “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.”

    Christ purchased our freedom through His blood as the payment to redeem us.

    It is noteworthy that in the story of Ruth, there was a kinsman nearer than Boaz, who was unable and unwilling to redeem. (Ruth 4:1-6). And so Boaz assumed the right become the kinsman to redeem the land and lineage of Elimelech, Chilion, and Mahlon, Ruth’s deceased husband. Boaz being a blood relative was able and willing to redeem. Jesus was likewise our willing Redeemer (Hebrews 12:1-2).

    Even if there had been another man who had been without sin, the death of such a man would still be lacking the infinite merit to pay for the sins of the whole world. At best, the sacrifice of a finite man could only atone for the sins of a single man. But the death of Christ was not the death of a mere man. It was the death of God in the flesh. God died in our place. Only the death of such a One could have been sufficient to save the world.

    It is important to observe the completeness or total efficacy of the Lord’s work in redemption. Not only did He redeem all God’s elect from the penalty of sin by his sin-atoning blood shed at Calvary (1 Peter 1:18-20), but He redeems each one of us from the reigning power and dominion of sin by his Spirit’s irresistible grace in regeneration (Romans 6:17-18), and He shall redeem us from the very existence and all the evil consequences of sin in resurrection glory (Ephesians 5:25-27).

  25. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    f. The one who has right to redeem must be willing to redeem, and pay the price. No one could be forced to redeem.

    It was not enough to have a kinsman who was able to accomplish the work of redemption. He must also be willing to make the sacrifice of paying the price. It was no use for a slave in the Jewish economy to have a rich relative who was unwilling to spend the money to release their unfortunate relative from slavery. Nor would Christ’s righteousness or relationship to us been of any value if He was unwilling to go to the cross.

    The Lord Jesus Christ was, however, Jehovah’s willing bond slave. Because of his love for us (Exodus 21:5; Isaiah 50:5-7), He was willing to pay the price of our redemption. This is the most amazing truth of all. God loved us enough to send His Son to die in our place (Romans 5:8; 8:32; I John 3:5; 4:9).

    Hebrews 9:12 makes it very clear that it was not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood that Jesus entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption for us. That God’s love has triumphed over the work of Satan to set us free is the fulfillment of God’s promise of Genesis 3:15. Hebrews 2:14 puts it this way- “That through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil.”

    When Satan deceived the woman in the Garden of Eden and thereby brought sin into the world. Satan’s plan was to undo God’s perfect work of creation. God had created man in His own image, but Satan caused that image to fall. However, Christ, through His death on the cross, restored that perfect image and conquered death. Not all the hosts of darkness were able to keep the Son of God in the grave. He arose from the dead, proving that He had conquered Satan once and for all, so that he might deliver those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives (Hebrews 2:15). Christ thus nullified the effects of the bondage of death and brought to naught the work of Satan. We have been set free from the fear of death.

    g. The redemption made was always a particular and effectual redemption. There was nothing general, or universal about it. The redemption was made for specific people, and obtained a specific inheritance. The kinsman redeemer restored that which he took not away (Psalm 69:4).

    That is what the Holy Spirit tells us Christ has done for every saved sinner. “Christ hath redeemed us” (Galatians 3:13). He bought us with his blood. Then, at the appointed time of love, he binds the strong man, casts him out of his redeemed house (the ransomed soul), and takes possession of the house himself. Soon, those possessed by his grace, to whom he has given the earnest of the Spirit, shall be personally possessed by the Son of God (Ephesians 1:7, 14; Romans 3:24-25; 8:23).

    As Jeremiah bought his cousin’s field to set forth the certainty of God’s promised deliverance (Jeremiah 32:6-12), so the Lord Jesus Christ has redeemed his elect. By the price of his infinitely meritorious blood, he has obtained eternal redemption for all his people (Hebrews 9:12). His obtaining redemption for his people is the pledge of their certain deliverance from all sin and all its consequences by the grace of God.

    That God has kept His promises in the work of Christ is very clear.

    h. The one who has the right to redeem must raise up a seed.

    Two possible kinsman-redeemers appeared in Ruth. There was an unnamed and imperfect kinsman-redeemer who was willing to redeem the land of Naomi’s husband Elimelech, but was unwilling to marry Ruth and perpetuate Elimelech’s seed (Ruth 4:1-8). But the chief kinsman-redeemer figure was Boaz, a godly, responsible well-to-do relative of Naomi’s on Elimelech’s side whose willingness to fulfill the role of kinsman-redeemer contrasted with the unwillingness of his fellow family member. He redeemed the land that belonged to Elimelech by purchasing it from Naomi, and also preserved Elimelech’s line by marrying Ruth, who subsequently gave birth to a son, who was an ancestor of Jesus.

    Boaz foreshadows Jesus our kinsman-redeemer, who has also raised up a seed as promised in the Abrahamic covenant. Just as Boaz was an effectual redeemer, and got Ruth, the object of his love, The Son of God, our effectual Redeemer, shall get the people of his choice. Today, there are a people in this world, being chosen of God in eternal election and redeemed by special redemption, who must and shall be saved by God’s omnipotent grace (Isaiah 53:10-12; Psalm 22:30-31; Ruth 4:5-6).

    Boaz as a type of Christ as a kinsman-redeemer, preserved Elimelech’s land and family line. In this capacity he foreshadowed the great Redeemer of sinners, the Lord Jesus Christ. The apostle Paul unites the elements of kinsman and Redeemer in Galatians 4:4-5. Because the Son of God partook of genuine humanity and thereby became our kinsman, He is qualified to deliver us. He became one with us so that we children of Satan (c.f John 8:44; 1John 3:10) might become the sons and daughters of the living God!

    Boaz was a complete redeemer. When Ruth got Boaz; she got him and everything in him. Similarly, when Christ redeems us-God’s elect, the Bible teaches emphatically in Colossians 2:10 that “Ye (we) are complete in him.”

    It was only when a man possessed all of the qualities described above that he fulfilled all of the requirements of the Kinsman Redeemer and was permitted to perform this task. Jesus alone met all of the qualifications of the Kinsman Redeemer. That’s why we sing “ There was no other good enough to pay the price of sin, He only could unlock the gates of heaven and let us in.”

    Just as Boaz was a mighty redeemer, our blessed Savior is mighty indeed. His name is “The Mighty God!” Just as Boaz was a wealthy redeemer, and a wealthy landowner in Bethlehem, the city of Jesus’ birth, Christ is filled with infinite, inexhaustible treasures of grace for sinners.
    Just as Boaz was a willing redeemer, Christ willingly laid down his life for us. Just as Boaz was a redeemer as the law required, so too, is our Lord Jesus Christ.

  26. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Hopi, ‘Or are you now realizing the POWER of DARKNESS which give birth to light, the DARKNESS in which the spirit moves!”

    First, IT IS NOT the colour of your SKIN, i.e., Black, that I am dealing with, as a persons SKIN, be it Black, White, or any other shade, CANNOT, and does NOT make choices, cannot think; any more than your big ‘toe’ or foot can decide what to do.

    It is your MIND, soul, that makes choices, thinks, and that has NO Colour!

    But, your mind, soul, either thinks good, or bad thoughts, righteous, or unrighteous thoughts, if it is filled with the Goodness and righteousness of Almighty God’s Spirit, then good will come from ones Mind, Soul, if NOT, then the DARKNESS of Evil will control you.

    It IS NOT scientifically possible, for DARKNESS to give LIGHT; as Darkness IS not something, it IS the absence of LIGHT, therefore IT IS nothingness, period.

    This scientific reality, which is OBVIOUS, is confirmed by God’s Word.

    “The earth WAS without form and VOID; and DARKNESS was on the face of the earth…Then God said, Let there BE LIGHT, and there was LIGHT.

    Void, as an adjective means Empty, bare, DEVOID, destitute, NULL, invalid, as a noun, it means HOLE, hollow, as a verb, vacate, EMPTY.

    Darkness, (not the colour of ones skin) is used Biblically as a proverb, “dark speeches” “dark saying”, metaphorically applied to all kinds of adversity and sorrow; to death; to that which is unknown or obscure; to IGNORANCE and ERROR, Isa. 5:20; to UNBELIEF and pursuit of Sin, Prov. 2:13. To darken is to obscure right principles and truth by an IGNORANT representation, Job 38:2; dark waters for heavy watery clouds. Darkness; misery, adversity, IGNORANCE, wickedness, to be dirty, foul.

    When a person has rejected the LIGHT and truth of God’s Word, In Christ Jesus, their minds, souls then become captive to the spiritual DARKNESS, evil, demonic spirits; this is a FACT of reality in the realm of the spirit; this HAS nothing to do with the Colour of their skin, it IS to do with the real person, their spirit/soul/mind, which is then reflected in how they think, behave, perceive, etc, etc.

    Light and Darkness cannot dwell together, neither in the physical world, or in the spiritual world, it IS either/or,
    for they are antithetical, complete opposites.

    We have the physical world emphatically confirming this, and the spiritual realm, also confirming this.

    Therefore, IF the LIGHT of God’s truth is in you, your whole body will be full of LIGHT; but, conversely, IF your mind if full of DAEKNESS, (not the colour of your skin) your whole being is will be in DARKNESS!

  27. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    GP…..Even though I Jesus Christ is a myth, there is no comparison between Him and Boaz. And no matter how much you try to expound your beliefs on the Ruth & Boaz story, it still does not add up. What we have here is Naomi pimping out Ruth to Boaz by telling her exactly how to trap him. Its only obvious that those who have a stake/stock in this big LIE will continue to justify its falsities. If you are gonna say that its taken out of context i.e. then it definitely does NOT relate to BLACK people.

  28. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Zoe…..the white man used the term DARKNESS in the bible to represent everything EVIL/NEGATIVE and by doing this they have deemed one ethnicnicity of PEOPLE ie BLACKS as EVIL/BAD. And you know that. Why did they not describe EVIL/BAD/NEGATIVE as WHITE? And White is not a colour white is the LACK of colour. If you think that having melanin or Blackness does not matter, you need to think again.

  29. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    GP, Hopi’s whole mind is warped, unable to reason anything objectively to do with TRUTH; constantly reading into God’s Word, what is neither explicitely stated, or implied; true to her Father of all LIES, Satan, the Devil!

  30. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Zoe…..Could you answer my last post at 11:38 am! Why did they associate evil with darkness and white with light and god?

  31. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Hopi, does not even realize, nor will EVER understand the statement she made earlier, but she is a living reality of its spiritual darkness,

    “…the DARKNESS in which the spirit moves.”

    Satan’s kingdom operates in utter DARKNESS, DECEPTION, LIES, and DEATH, a kingdom into which he has captured Hopi and others of her ilk.

    BTW, Hopi, why don’t you deal with the physical/scientific REALITY, that DARKNESS is not something, that it is NOTHINGNESS, FACT, FACT, FACT!!!

    When there is an Island wide ‘blackout’ the density of DARKNESS is not nice, were it not for the Stars in Almighty God’s sky, giving a bit of LIGHT, it would be chaos; only when BL&P restores LIGHT, is there relief by all, who can now once again start to function normally, the LIGHT when it comes back on, dispels DARKNESS, which is NOTHINGNESS, ‘the dawn ‘light’ dispelled their fears’ try living with out LIGHT, it would be Hell, where this is NO LIGHT, for Hell is ‘outer DARKNESS!

    That why Jesus Christ, by, through, and for whom ALL things were Created, made the Sun, Light, to dispel the DARKNESS, nothingness!

  32. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Christopher Halsall

    I noticed the link you left. Thanks!
    Can I take leave of you kind Sir, to list some of my favorite links as well?
    Here goes
    http://www.gracenotes.info/GN_Topics_FrameSet.htm
    http://www.gracenotes.info/

    http://www.pbc.org/authors/2917
    http://www.dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Christianity/Bible/Bible_Study/By_Book/New_Testament/
    http://www.saved.com/kjv/index.htm
    http://www.globalchristians.org/eternity/
    http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/pinks_archive.htm
    http://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlines/rev.htm
    http://www.raystedman.org/olivet/

  33. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Zoe….. You wouldn’t understand, would you? FYI, Satan has no kingdom. Its all about the energy. When you bring your scientific reality that DARKNESS is nothing, the same science that said that BLACK people were intellectually inferior, also bring the science that WHITE is SOMETHINGNESS. The BL&P light is artificial light. So now you are gonna circumvent the fact that you cannot live without the SUN by saying that living without LIGHT would be hell. Why don’t you come right out and say it YOU CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT THE SUN.

  34. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Hopi, use your common sense, why do you think, evil is associated with Darkness, and white and light is associated with God?

    When Snow falls, it appears as white, when we humans begin to walk and drive through it, it becomes dirty, dark!

    Did a white man create it to become this way?

    If a room is filled with beautiful models, all decked out in multi coloured dresses, Hats, Hand bags, Shoes, but the Lights are all turned off, you can’t see anything, for the room is in darkness. In order to SEE, LIGHT has to be turned on, Yes!

    When I walk around outside, without shoes, slippers, the bottom of my feet get ‘dirty’ darknened, that is the way it is.

    How would the sky which we know as blue, on a cloudless day, look if it was black, without any clouds?

    It certainly would reflect a dark, gloomy day?

    Knowing from our external observation and experience, we can understand why Darkness is associated with evil, and white is asociated with God, and I am here speaking from the natural world of observation, NOT the colour of ones skin; because an EVIL white person, is NO different from an EVIL Black person, or a Brown or Yellow one.

    Interior decorators, know that if you want to make a room, feel, appear smaller, more enclosed, you use ‘dark’ colours, but, if you want to make a small room, feel and appear larger, lighter, you use softer, lighter colours.

    When the Sun goes down we have to turn on our lights, in order to see where we are walking, driving.

    Satan represents Evil, that’s why Satanists always wear Black, their temples of worship are all painted Black; the opposite of the Glorious LIGHT, that is Almighty God’s Throne.

    I don’t expect you to agree with these analogies, but all around us, in God’s Created Universe, we see these distinctions between LIGHT and DARKNESS, goodness v evil, etc, etc.

    That’s the way God created it to reflect things, both in the natural and the spiritual.

  35. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Zoe…..NONONO. That’s not the way God created it to reflect things. These analogies are all man-made agreements. Leave the spiritual out of this. Why do Judges and Priest wear Black robes?

  36. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Satan’s greatest ‘trump’ card is convincing people he does not exist, yes, he is energy, spiritual energy, a real spirit ‘being’ who has myriad fallen angels ‘demons’ who do his bidding and controlling of peoples for his sinister, evil, purposes, to take those who have rejected God’s offer of Mercy, Grace, and Love, in Jesus Christ, to Hell, outer Darkness, in Everlasting misery and torment!

  37. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    ZOE
    “Satan’s greatest ‘trump’ card is convincing people he does not exist, yes, he is energy, spiritual energy, a real spirit ‘being’ who has myriad fallen angels ‘demons’ who do his bidding and controlling of peoples for his sinister, evil, purposes, to take those who have rejected God’s offer of Mercy, Grace, and Love, in Jesus Christ, to Hell, outer Darkness, in Everlasting misery and torment!”

    TOTAL RUBBISH! You are ACED! CRAP!

  38. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Georgie Porgie, no offense, but have you ever considered that you might be completely and utterly deluded?

    Am I dont mean that in a pejorative way, but in a strict technical meaning of the word.

  39. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Not Saved

    Not at all.
    And no offence taken Sir.

    I have enjoyed reading the Word, and listening to good men teach the Word, and in reading good commentaries thereon. I think I have a good general grasp of the subject Sir, and of Hermeneutics.

  40. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Your grasp of the subject is beyond question

  41. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Rok: “TOTAL RUBBISH! You are ACED! CRAP!

    The very ‘demons who reside in your soul, spoke those words! You are another one of their PUPPETS!

  42. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Does Satan (the Accuser) exist?

    Zechariah 3:1-6 is one Scripture that says he does.

    1. And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
    2. And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? 3. Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
    4. And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
    5. And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by.
    6. And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua, saying, 7. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

    This is a most interesting scene. It is a court house scene or tribunal if you please.
    We see 1- Joshua the high priest standing as the accused. ( He is a picture of the NT believer)
    2 Malik Elohim or the before the angel of the LORD or the preincarnate Christ in his rule as judge as stated in John 5. He is also here Joshua’s defence lawyer or paraclete (cf 1 John 2:2)
    3 Satan standing at his (Joshua’s) right hand to resist or accuse him.

    We see that Joshua was GUILTY as charged, because as the High Priest he ought not to have on filthy garments. Even though Joshua was guilty, we see that he is rebuked by the Lord, who refers to the guilty as a brand plucked out (or redeemed) from out of the fire. The Lord is here both as Joshua’s judge, and his defender. How can He do that? Because he would go to the cross and die for his sins. He is thus faithful or consistent, and just (has the right) to forgive his (and our) sins and cleanse him (and us) from ALL unrighteousness.

    Here the judge/defence asked that Joshua’s filthy garments be removed, and clothes him with a change of raiment. Jesus does the same for the believer. By paying for our sins he can give (and has given) the believer a robe of righteousness, and raised him up to sit in heavenly places with himself as taught in Ephesians chapter 1. Aint that great?

    Does Satan exist? Zechariah 3 certainly says so!
    Jesus said so! He told Peter that Satan had desired to sift him like wheat! Boy and can Satan sift believers? He sure can!
    If Jesus said that Satan exists, I guess that those of us who believe in Jesus have the right to believe that Satan does really exist. What do you fellas think?

  43. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Hopi, said, “Leave the spiritual out of this.”

    We were created spirit beings, with a soul, and live presently in a physical body.

    We are either in fellowship and communion with our Creator, Almighty God, the Only One and True God, and our Sviour and Lord, Jesus Christ, and the indwelling Holy Spirit OR, we are being subtly influenced, led, and controlled by Satan, and his Demonic spirit entities.

    I have personally being at Deliverence meetings, with Anointed men and women of God, where Demons were cast out of them, their bodies and minds, people who appeared relatively normal, BUT, when the Name of Jesus, and His ‘Blood’ was announed, the Demons acted up terribly, cursing, etc, etc. I personally came face to face, with Demons that entered a beautiful young lady, when she was severely abused as a child, and in the Name of Jesus, I commanded them to identify themselves, it was UGLY, terrible, what disguisting things they spoke through this persons voice, this was the first time I clinically experienced for the first time, what I has studied from God’s Word, and a number of books dealing with Demonology.

    This young lady, was a well educated, professional, BUT, she needed deliverance, and that could only be done in Jesus Name, exactly as the Bible said.

    I don’t speak off the top of my head. A black brother of mine, one morning years ago, helped a young man, who shared with him, that he was been tormented with Homosexual thoughts, and that he was never inclined that way, could he help him. My friend then repeated the verses from Revelation reminding the Devil and his cohorts of their ultimate Destiny in the Lake of Fire, at this juncture, the Demon of homosexuality spoke through this young man’s voice and said, “I ain’t coming out.” The Christian man then said, ‘In the Name of Jesus Christ, I command you to say when you entered this man’s body.” The Demon said, “I entered when he was 12 years old, when an uncle sought molesting him, and I ain’t coming out”

    My friend continued pleading the Blood of Christ against this Demon, and finally it threw the man on the ground and HAD to come out.

    From that day onward, this man has NEVER had any homosexual thoughts.

    This is a FACT, I could give numerous other accounts of this demonic activity, from right here in B’dos, and volumes of documented evidence from around the world with people who were Delivered from all kinds of Demonic infestation, and ONLY in the Name of Jesus are these people set free.

    Miracles are occuring all over the World in the Name of Jesus, all carefully documented.

    Not Saved, asked GP if he could not be very deluded? Man, the evidence is overwhelming, from many different aspects, how much more proof do you want?

  44. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    ‘…where Demons were cast out of them’ is refering to the people who came for Deliverance, not the Anointed men and women of God.

  45. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Zoe writes :

    “Not Saved, asked GP if he could not be very deluded? Man, the evidence is overwhelming, from many different aspects, how much more proof do you want?”

    ——–

    I concur

  46. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    From that day onward, this man has NEVER had any homosexual thoughts.

    LMAO…….ROTFL…….LOL……

    I guess a lot of Priests walking around with Demons in them…….LOL !!

  47. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ ZOE….

    Homosexuality = Demon possession

    We must already be in hell!!

  48. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    jesus, satan, demons…

    Just how many gods are they in this religion??

  49. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    ….From that day onward, this man has NEVER had any homosexual thoughts.

    And how would you know this?? Can you also read minds??

    I thought it was God alone who knew our thoughts….Him and Satan…that is.

    @ Hopi….see where my problem lies (no pun intended).

  50. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Not Saved

    You are a very naughty boy man.
    How can you concur that the evidence is overwhelming, from many different aspects that GP is very if deluded? And furthermore agree that no more proof is needed? LOL

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