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Minister of Education, Ronald Jones
Minister of Education, Ronald Jones

Minister of Education and Human Resources Ronald Jones and his Chief Education Officer Dr. Wendy Griffith-Watson have been in the news a lot in recent days; some of the news has been both good and unflattering. The Minister has been attracting negative comment on the talk shows regarding the tone he used to address parents on the opening day of school at the  pilloried St. Paul’s Primary School on Tuesday. It is not the first time that Minister Jones’s strident and abrasive delivery style has rubbed some Barbadians the wrong way. Just a few days earlier Chief Education Officer Wendy Griffith-Watson let ‘slip’ on the Sunday talk show that Springer Memorial School and St. Leonard’s have been trailing the other schools in academic performance (words to that effect). Subsequent feedback in the media has suggested that Dr. Watson was incorrect in her assertions. Both have been holding some warm licks for their comments.

BU supports the need for the Ministry of Education to do some major research into our educational system. Some changes need to be made but…) Barbadians have been treated to too much ‘old talk’ over the years which is unsupported by research. Is it too much to ask that after more than 30 years of significant co-education in our secondary schools, Barbadians still have no significant body of research to reference on this matter?

While we boast of our high literacy and education levels should Barbadians not be disappointed that our educational system has failed in the realm of developing a research and development based approach in its backyard?

The global arena has evolved to a very complex space which requires that our people are possessed of an intellectual capacity to ensure our survival and competitiveness like never before. We have allowed our schools to become overcrowded; it is not uncommon for classrooms in our primary system to average 30, an anecdotal position. We have not provisioned in any significant way to our children with special needs. We have not engaged in any significant research to determine why females should be coaching our boys cricket teams because of the exodus of men from the teaching service. We have not sought to create strategies to create programs to encourage reading back in our schools and homes to combat the influence of television, Internet and other modern day distractions. Now is a good time to highlight our disgust that the Public Library should be allowed to remain close since July 2006.

The former government conceived of EDUTEC which is still a good concept, the problem has been in its execution. Education along with health devours too much of the national budget to be managed from the seat of the pants of anybody. The recent initiative by the government to allow school children under 18 to ride free on public transport is fantastic! The Democratic Labour Party (DLP) is no stranger to rolling-out pioneering social programs. It was under the late National Hero of Barbados Errol Barrow that free education and school meals was introduced. We congratulate the government on a seamless rollout of the free bus service. We urge all in the process to remain vigilant to ensure the service is maintained at a high level.

The significance and the benefit to be derived from a free school bus service should not be underscored. We see this initiative as an attempt to engage in social reengineering in our society at a time when morals are slipping and slowly but surely started to wash away the values which have made Barbados strong. Not to be dismissed is the positive affect we anticipate the free bus service will have by countering the sub-culture linked to the mini-bus and ZRs. We are willing to bet that the initiative may save the next generation. Our only concern at this point in the young DLP tenure is the emphasis on rolling out social investment polices which we suspect are placing a strain on public finances. We will have to wait for the Central Bank reporting at the end of the year to properly support our suspicion. While social investment is required to ensure the good development of any social the need to sustain productivity levels must remain a priority. This is key at this time as we operate in challenging economic times.

Minister Ronald Jones we are pleased that our Minister of Education is grabbing the media spotlight even though it means the beautiful Minister of Family, Youth Affairs, Sports and the Environment Esther Byer-Sukoo has been relegated. The stakes are high for our little island, education was the lever used by the late Errol Barrow to enfranchise our people in the 60’s to drive our development, our success as a country remains the envy of many.

Let us fix the damn cracks!


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125 responses to “Time To Remove The Band-Aid From Education”


  1. The Devil,

    You must be a real youngster.

    What teaching for females what?!!

    I went to a mixed primary school, a single sex secondary, and a few universities, and I can count the number of female teachers that I have had on the fingers of my hands. My teachers were predominantly men….. and in most cases, very impressively so.

    Teaching became a “woman’s” job, ONLY AFTER mass Co-ed in Barbados, and especially after the influence of destroyers- (starting with Billie Miller), managed to create an environment which wise men tend to avoid.

    You should be careful that you are not speaking for yourself reference those men who are not allowed to help with their children. My own personal experience with children and mothers is dramatically different….. somewhat of a bush tea magnet.

    Your last paragraph is misguided and completely erroneous.
    What socialization What?!!

    ‘Men do not teach’, because we have created a school system, run by women, designed to frustrate and to fail, and one that is hostile to men. Of course some ‘males’ will always continue to tag along, but as I said, MEN will leave …or revolt.

    There is a fundamental design mandate that men are designed to be leaders. We can defy that design spec to our peril. So when we force our women to take over this role (either by men not stepping up to the plate or by females seeking to prove some point – or just from following the dictates of the international lending agencies) the price that we will pay is a complete decline of men in society and consequent decline in leadership and management.

    …you may recall that Bush tea has long identified the lack of strong leadership as THE critical issue facing us nationally.


  2. I think that it is about time that we start creating specialty schools. It is a waste of resources for all the schools to teach the same thing, in the same way that one would make a mold for a concrete block or some other standard commodity.

    Are we keeping pace with development. We are still trying to push our students into academics, when we need to produce a lot more diversity.

    For example, we talk about the cultural industries but who trains these people? Why can’t one of the schools be a music school, another a drama school then an art school, a school of engineering, etc.

    We only have to choose about six or eight good categories, especially those subjects that require knowledge and practice from early childhood; somewhat similar to what we see the Chinese do in acrobatics and much closer to home, the Cubans.

    As a matter of fact, Cuba has been able to hold its own because of its education system producing the required skilled workforce.

    I know how conservative we are. I will not hear the end of this. A vast majority is still of the opinion that their children should have that shot at doctor or lawyer.

    Whatever it is we have to get real. I know there are those who would rush to take their children to a school of music. Not that the children would not be rounded scholars but will have a grounding in something other than academics that will be useful in their lives. These kinds of schools will also have the effect of preserving culture. I bet that the brilliance of children in such an environment would shine.

    I have seen many competent musicians that are doctors and lawyers, but what this would do is provide professional alternatives. They will still sit CXC, etc. This would also allow for the expansion of CXC or other examination bodies.


  3. WHO is this BUSH TEA ?

    I see that s/he speaks the truth

    Come to the top of the class my friend

    You have earned the right to be called enlightened.

    Go forth and spread the word for it is people such as yourself who can make a difference.

    Do not hide behind the cloak of invisibility that the Blogs provide. Come forward and organize similar thinking persons into an entity that can make a meaningful contribution ——

    A pressure group would be such an entity

    Go Forward !


  4. Bush Tea

    I am not old but not so young either! I am fully involved in my childrens’ lives and Mrs Devil has happily left the children in my care when she had to travel outside of Barbados. It was, in fact, at the time of one of these trips that surprise was expressed by a female acquaintence that she did not leave the children with her mother instead of me! I have since heard other women say similar things which in my world is very foreign.

    I think that in the past there were fewer job opportunities so men (and bright men at that) went into teaching. With Independence and as the economy expanded other employment oportunities became available and teaching became the job of last resort.

    It is noted that although the majority of teachers are women, the majority of principals of secondary schools are men. Mrs Griffith Watson is the first female Chief Education Officer (I may be wrong on this) and it was Loius Tull that authorised co-education starting with Combermere in 1976. Billie Miller became education minister in 1981 by which time St. Michaels, Lodge, CP, HC and QC had already gone co-ed. The discussion to go co-ed predated Tull’s appointment but it was during his term of office that the final decision was made.

    After Miller, the Ministers of Education have been Cyril Walker, Keith Simmons, Tyrone Estwick, Mia Mottley, Cappy Greenidge, Reginald Farley, Anthony Wood and now Ronald Jones. So over the last 32 years there have been 9 Ministers of Education of which two were women (the only 2 in the history of Barbados) and one female Chief Education Officer. The present educational system seems to me to be a product of the leadership of men.


  5. MRS DEVIL ???

    sounds like Scary Movie 6


  6. Thanks for the response Devil, and please extend my sympathy to Mrs D for having to live with you. LOL.

    Your relationship with your children seem like the norm that I see. Many of the fathers with whom I interact play full roles in their children’s lives. Indeed I have noted recently to a female friend that fathers seem even more attached to daughters than to their sons.

    …of course there are the usual degenerate lot of retards who fail to live up to their responsibilities and also there are those women who foolishly make life so miserable for their partners that those men decide to head for the desert…

    It is NOT a matter of men being socialized to avoid children. The system deters men from teaching.

    Co-education was instituted as I recall, by the World Bank. I well recall the events of the time when as you pointed out Louis Tull was minister.

    I always thought that Co-education was a condition of the world Bank loans provided to build a number of schools. Government lacked the vision (guts?) to resist this interference, and teachers at the time were against it, but said not a word.

    The real destruction of our school system began with the Billy Millar VS Aurie Smith of Lodge school saga, and then she went versus the headmaster of Combermere. She single-handedly destroyed The Lodge School, the authority of school boards, Principals, and teachers -and changed teaching into something that real men would never be again be attracted to.

    Do you know of the days when a teacher was THE man in his village? Universally respected, often emulated? ……this was ended by Miller in order to ‘prove’ that SHE was now THE man.

    Mia placed large numbers of (her) females in positions to ensure that few real man would ever again seek to make a mark in teaching.

    Change the environment tomorrow and you will be surprised at the number of men who would gravitate towards the extremely rewarding profession of framing tomorrow’s citizens.

    HOW?
    1) Reduce the staff at the Ministry of Education to one person (to answer the phone and refer matters back to the appropriate school principal)
    2) Have school Boards appointed equally by the Alumni, PTA, and Government .
    3) Let the School Board fully manage the affairs of the school.
    4) Publish ALL school results, accounts, staff appointments and performance ratings. Full transparency and quarterly school board meetings as in the USA.

    With respect to the males you listed who held the portfolio of education, the least said is probably the best option…..


  7. BT, re your sympathies

    quote from Mrs D “At least somebody understands!” but don’t mind her, she’s been saying that for over twenty years and still won’t let anybody else make my evening tea. Not that I would dare partake of anybody else’s brew!

    Not familiar with the Lodge school issue and Miller as I was away from B’dos at the time.

    On the School Board approach, this sounds very American and they are not exactly a model of success. For starters, we might have to get rid of most of the present crop of principals!

    It is sobering that 2 women could trump 7 men.


  8. Here is an article I was sent some time ago about university education in the UK. I think it fits with this stage of the blog.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/06/07/do0701.xml&DCMP=EMC-new_07062008


  9. John

    That is an excellent article. Much better put than Bush tea’s BU contribution a few months ago. A degree nowadays now only tells you that the recipient had three or four years to spare and access to a computer with internet.

    Devil, have you considered that maybe Mrs D is committed to protecting the rest of us from you..?

    As to the ability of two women to trump seven men….. surely you jest Devil!!
    ..ask the Mrs, …ONE woman could trump one thousand men. Consider the Palin phenomenon currently under way in the US of A. …men are fools.

    There are one or two example that can be drawn from the US. The openness and public access to information is better than most.

    ..as to the need to ‘get rid of the present crop of Principals’ (get rid of’? LOL- that sounds drastic coming from the Devil). In short order most of them would need to be replaced by real leaders and role models.
    The current lot has been selected to suit the current system model that has been created – Subservient lackies who take messages from the ministry and pass them on to the other teachers, students and parents.

    Can you picture Major Noot or ‘Tank’ cowering to any Chief Education officer? Check out how Combermere’s sixth form was started…. or how Art and music was introduced…


  10. “national strategy for children’s play”.

    Creepy indeed.

    But even so can I be appointed the Right Honourable Minister Responsible for Play?


  11. J

    …. don’t laugh, these politicians need to come up with justifications for their existence!!


  12. Like we said another fact finding mission for ROK and his NGOs…LOL. We are so educated and cannot find it possible to have initiated studies on co-ed and other factors which are negatively impacting our educational system.

    Too Sad!


  13. Didn’t Prof ‘Rocky’ Layne of the UWI do a study on co-education? I attended a public lecture given by him some years ago on the results of his research. My recollection of this lecture is hazy in part because of Prof. Layne’s style of presentation which I found distracting. Hopefully not misrepresenting Dr Layne but in essence he did not find co-education to be a factor influencing the academic performance of boys.

    Before Bush tea jumps up … shoot the message not the messenger (the Devil).


  14. @The Devil

    Don’t mean to put you on the spot but how many years ago would that be that you attended the lecture? Our recollection is that the co-ed experiment started around the mid-70’s. The question to ask would be what period should elapse before meaningful studies should be conducted.

    The other point we want to emphasize is that a highly educated society like Barbados should have a BODY of research to reference not a 1 or 2 study.


  15. Pray tell how an educational system debate become a family life debate.

    Don’t you think this topic should be a separate post?


  16. The lecture may have been about 10 – 12 years ago. I believe that Prof Layne did some follow up work about 6 years ago. There is also the evaluation unit at UWI (which was once headed by Prof Newton) which has published a report on the state of schooling in Barbados about a year ago.


  17. Devil,

    A number of high profile persons claimed that from their ‘research’, nothing was wrong with co-education. These included Prof Layne, Dr Shorey (in the early days) and even Spoonie Roach.

    What research What!?!

    ..all Bush tea knows is that if there was any hint of a 16 year -old girl in my class while at school, The Bush man would probably be a ward of the state by this stage….. I had enough problems just with day dreaming LOL.

    Wuh um is only common sense….

    Of course some of us may not have this ‘problem’ and could not therefore understand the insurmountable urges of which Bush tea write.

    When you listen to men like GP and Ganong speak of their school days – would you let them any where near cute school girls -ALL DAY LONG?!?!

    Only a person who has not experienced real male puberty, or someone who does not have a teenage son (or daughter), (or who is a complete idiot) would fail to understand the challenges of co-education…..

    I read many of these ‘reports’, and they are not written by idiots….


  18. Bt

    How do you think men will be able to wrestle the domination of the education system away from women? Do you think it will be handed over with out a fight?

    The only way to do it is to present irrefutable evidence linked to research. If you cant God help you!


  19. Dear Bush Tea:

    I believe that up to 1971 or even a bit after there were “mixed all age elementary schools” and that the pupils in these schools were up to 14 years old. Up until the 1960’s and even the 1970’s most Bajans did not attend secondary school. Many of us, maybe most of us attended mixed all age elementary schools up to standard/class 7, or age 14. And at age 14 we were well into puberty.

    My questions are how did the pre-1971 adolesent boy cope with girls in the all age mixed elementary schools?

    How did the male teachers cope?

    Respectfully

    J


  20. Dear Suh-Warrior:

    An educational system debate became a family life debate because home and school are so tightly bound together that it is impossible to separate one from the other.

    Whether we like it or not, whether we acknowledge it or not home and school are married to each other.

    When one is dysfunctional as sure as the sun rises in the east the other will also be dysfunctional.


  21. I heard Ms Watson on air appealing to the public to donate books to the schools. I have well over 1000 books extra that I can donate. In fact many children use my library for research. However until or unless Ms Watson apologises to the public and to those two schools in particular first, no-one will take her serious.


  22. J,
    Since you were never a real boy you can be excused for asking this question. I also forgive Mrs Griffith-Watson for using this argument in ignorance for the same reason.

    The problem with boys really shows itself between ages 12- 13 to 15-16. Everyone who deals with teenage boys knows that they have a hard time (in more ways than one) and that their learning and listening instincts are not what they would be if they were girls.

    This problem more than sorts itself out after age 16, when boy actually outperform girls.

    Unfortunately, in a competitive school environment AND with predominantly female teachers, who, like you and the CEO, do not personally appreciate this phenomena, boys are unable to catch up with girls having fallen behind on the basics.

    In all boy’s schools, while they collective fall behind at those ages, they ALL DO IT TOGETHER and are not defined as failures. Also they tend to have more male teachers who understand what is happening. Such boys then catch up, and go on to do very well (like GP, Ganong, MME and of course Bush tea…LOL)

    You will recall that the main reason for going co-ed was to correct the disparity where BOYS were outperforming girls when we had single sex schools at this age level.

    The issue of primary school is not relevant since there is no question of ‘catching up’ after age 16, and even at age 14, the ‘problem’ was just beginning


  23. Actually BT:

    I have discussed the teenage boy difficulties with a dear friend we’ll call The Honourable Teacher Man. His Honour has informed me that you do indeed speak the truth about this ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! delicate matter. But his Honour who has actually taught for nigh on 40 years and who attended mixed primary and secondary schools and who has taugh at all boys and mixed secondary schools, and who still has a passion for teaching has assured me that a good teacher can still keep his class on task.

    But I don’t know, never having taught myself.


  24. J

    Maybe our teachers are not good.

    Is that what you want to say?


  25. No I do not want to say that our teachers are not good.


  26. Our lastest Doctor on the block -Ms. Griffith Watson, which school did she earn her doctorate from?


  27. OUR TEACHERS ARE NOT GOOD BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE WOMEN AND LETS FACE IT–WOMEN AINT READY YET


  28. But Q

    Women and men have have a common history and geneology.

    Men and women have always had to pull together for the betterment of families and institutions.

    If women are not ready yet can you suggest a time when they might be ready?

    And what things that they should do to make ready?

    Thanks


  29. Hi again J,

    If I was a detective I would deduce that you are NOT a Bajan and Not a woman. However I am not one, so I will take your word for it.

    You mean to tell Bush tea that you actually checked the facts with someone who knows, reviewed your previous position and (gasp!!) conceded to the BU family that Bush tea was right?!?

    What Bajan woman What!?!

    No Baje woman concedes defeat!
    No Baje woman concerns herself with mere facts!
    And where did you ever hear a Baje woman apologize publicly just so????

    But your honourable friend is absolutely right. It IS possible for special men to teach successfully in the current environment.
    I interact regularly with a very special group of such men, and I do appreciate why you would classify your reference friend as ‘honourable’….

    …but the numbers are no where near the amount required to make a difference.


  30. what have women invented other than gossip .

    Women drivers: harsh and overly competitive on the road

    Women Teachers: ignorant to the needs of boys and discriminatory against said boys. loving up the girls alienating the boys. stunting the robust development of these boys: telling boys not to come into their classrooms smelling sweaty or looking untidy

    Some women lovers: will call their men’s workplace and tell lies against the man just to get back at him; will take a man”s money or even marry a man knowing full well that they dont love the man;

    some women are : producing children and hating them ; treating said children bad; cursing them and telling them the worse things at two and three years old, dragging them along the streets and taking their frustrations out on the child-(abuse)

    at other times:dressing up said children in adult looking wear complete with gold chains etc;
    some women are unforgiving , inflexible, hard

    Ignorant to things such as diet and exercise and as a result growing lazy and thus not able to monitor the activities of their boy children because of the laziness

    Ignorant to fixing anything be it car, aplliance, clothes iron , washing machine etc thus contributing to the mash -up and buy back mentality that translates into a lot of things that can be fixed being thrown away.

    easily ripped of by unscrupulous workmen

    Recently men women have been drinking and getting drunk and having sexual liasons with other women (wickking) in greater numbers

    Taking the jobs of men; building houses and living alone and undermining the idea of the nuclear family which is good for society

    Women in Barbados would go to a school and block, will have sex on the same bed where their child of school-age is sleeping,
    would have a child and deny the father seeing said child

    Service at retail outlets such as stores and other outlets is poor because women work in these places . some of them treat people so bad it is shame and if they, in their stupid perception categorized you as a nobody because of how you are dressed etc proceed to treat you with dis-respect . All the complains about poor service in supermarkets and stores can be blamed on female employees

    The older generation of men knew that women had to be monitored and controlled and not allowed a free hand. They knew that destruction could result if there was a failure to control women-they knew that women would get out of hand. They knew that women do not think, are not logical and will not reason. Women feel , they dont think.

    Foolish modern men now feel that women should so-called equal rights and have gone overboard


  31. Dear Q:

    It breaks my heart to hear that your experience has been so bitter.

    I had the benefit of 2 wonderful grandmothers, a wise mother, 7 sisters whose price is far above rubies, 2 daughters who are a joy, excellent female teachers, cooperative colleagues, good neighbours, wonderful female cousins and friends (and the same with grandfathers, father etc. )

    So no I do not know where you are coming from.

    I regret that your experiences with some women have left you so embittered.

    But who raised you to to adulthood? who is raising/has raised your children? who combs your infant’s hair, who cooks your grandmothr food, bathes her, takes her to the doctor, picks up her medicine?


  32. Dear Bush Tea:

    I do not pretend to know everything.

    My mind is not closed.

    I come to the blogs to read, to agree or disagree, perchance to learn, maybe even sometimes to teach.

    My mind is NOT closed. I hope that it never closes.

    You and I will agree sometimes and sometimes we will agree to disagree.


  33. … but the female teachers we had at HC were good too.

    OK, some were definitely distracting but they did their jobs and did them well and we always knew we would be cut no slack because they were female.

    Six years after I left HC I got stuck a Saturday afternoon in Belgium when my $400 car broke down. It was a mini.

    Everything was closed.

    Because of the grounding I had in French with Ms Alleyne up to fifth form, I was able to find a mechanic who dealt with British cars and would listen, very difficult with everything closed, communicate the problem, get the part and “fix” the car.

    The three other students with me from India were amazed that I could “speak” French.

    Since then I have never been in such a position but the confidence it gave me that I could survive in a country where French (or Spanish which I did for three years to O level) was the native tongue has stood me in good stead in my travels.

    I doubt I will ever be a conversationalist in those languages but when faced with a problem where I need them I will survive!!

    So I can’t speak ill of any female teachers I had.


  34. I still do not accept the thesis that the feminisation of the teaching profession and coeducation is at the root of the problem in schools. The idea that adolescent boys are inordinately distracted by the presence of girls in the classroom is not borne out by any research. We should not reject information from research simply because it contradicts our intuition or “common sense”.

    The feminisation of the teaching profession, I continue to maintain, is as a result of better economic opportunities available to men in other fields of work and the percieved suitability of women for teaching re the pastoral care component and that teaching with its long vacations and shorter daily work hours allow women to earn a living while carrying out child rearing responsibilities. That men were the majority of teachers in the past can be explained by the limited job opportunities and the barriers to the employment of women. For example, a woman could not remain employed after marrying or getting pregnant. I remember reading with great surprise that such rules were only removed within the last 25 years in some of our Caricom neighbours. Dame Billie Miller (or her gender) is unfairly blamed for the Education Act of 1981 which no administration has attempted to change in the last 27 years. As to this popular view that Mia Mottley placed “large numbers of her females ” in positions, is not supported by any evidence I am aware of. In fact it is to be noted that the number of male principals in secondary schools has increased even in those fomerly female only schools (St.Michael, Queens, Alexandra) and the majority of principals of secondary schools are male. I can only think of St George and Springer Memorial (maybe St James?) with female principals. Based on research done recently (unfortunately not publically accessible), it was clearly seen that although the overwhelming majority of teachers are female, the role of principal is seen as that for males. That there are more female principals in the primary schools is due to the fact that there are so few male teachers to start with. As to principals of the past not cowering to a CEO, Tank for example bailed out soon after the new act was passed. His absolute power as principal was legally removed. Such was the power of principals that they could send home teachers, dock their pay, expel a child etc almost without answering to anyone. Which teacher (male or female) or parent today is going to go back to that situation? The changes in the Education Act had little to do with Miller’s gender and as I have pointed out were set in train long before her appointment. Some of the problems experienced after the Act was passed really had to do with the resentment of principals to their loss of power in favour of the Ministry of Education.

    Differing maturation rates can partly explain the academic achievement gap between boys and girls but this disparity is a relatively recent phenomena, is widespead worldwide and is growing. That it is seen across cultures and socio economic classes and that it is of relatively recent occurence suggests that the problem is enviromental or contextural in origin. Simply put, the model of schooling today may be out of sync with the needs of society.

    I invite readers to look at http://www.williamdraves.com/works/boys.htm . This article summarises many of the issues surrounding what is a multi facetted and complex issue.

    I do NOT share all of the conclusions of this article and I think the idea of computers in schools as a panacea to the problem is very flawed. I do sincerely believe that reform in schools has to be informed by developments occuring in the wider society especially in the economic spheres of activity as the ultimate objective is to prepare our young people for that wider role as citizens. I think our boys moreso than our girls (but the girls are not far behind in manifesting dissatisfaction) are telling us that the educational institutions presently provided are inadequate mechanisms for preparing them for the brave new world out there.


  35. The Devil // September 10, 2008 at 3:52 am

    I think our boys moreso than our girls (but the girls are not far behind in manifesting dissatisfaction) are telling us that the educational institutions presently provided are inadequate mechanisms for preparing them for the brave new world out there.
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    I think you have a point.

    I think our young people know that they have been let down by us.

    They are far smarter than we used to be.


  36. Listen J

    My information comes from research and not from personal experience

    dont assume my gender either

    everything I have said is true and the veracity of the statements CANNOT be challenged sucessfully———>> >

    ————————————————>
    a commenter above wrote the following

    ” The feminisation of the teaching profession, I continue to maintain, is as a result of better economic opportunities available to men in ……….”

    I dont care what the reasons are
    I dont care who says what ……WOMEN are a problem. lets face it nuh ! I dont want the academic bullshit talk , lets get down to the nitty gritty, down to brass tacks as it were.

    cheese-on bread man !!!


  37. Can anyone explain the need for a sixth form at Foundation etc?

    Are we not turning back the hands of the clock?

    Was not the BCC started almost 40 years ago as a sixth form school to accomodate students whose schools did not have a sixth form?

    Has not the BCC served this purpose well, besides doing much much more?


  38. Dear Q:

    I’ve re-read my submission.

    Can you kindly point out to me where I have assumed your gender?


  39. Dear Q:

    On September 9th at 7:45 p.m. you wrote that your “information comes from research”

    Q wrote “Women drivers: harsh and overly competitive on the road”

    I say “show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote: “Women Teachers: ignorant to the needs of boys and discriminatory against said boys. loving up the girls alienating the boys. stunting the robust development of these boys: telling boys not to come into their classrooms smelling sweaty or looking untidy”

    I say “show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote “Some women lovers: will call their men’s workplace and tell lies against the man just to get back at him; will take a man”s money or even marry a man knowing full well that they dont love the man”

    I say “Show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote “some women are : producing children and hating them ; treating said children bad; cursing them and telling them the worse things at two and three years old, dragging them along the streets and taking their frustrations out on the child-(abuse)”

    I say “show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote “at other times:dressing up said children in adult looking wear complete with gold chains etc”

    I say “show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote “Ignorant to things such as diet and exercise and as a result growing lazy and thus not able to monitor the activities of their boy children because of the laziness”

    I say “show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote “Ignorant to fixing anything be it car, aplliance, clothes iron , washing machine etc thus contributing to the mash -up and buy back mentality that translates into a lot of things that can be fixed being thrown away. ”

    I say “show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote “easily ripped of by unscrupulous workmen”

    Are you telling me that it is women’s fault that there are unscruplous workmen???? Really, really?? YOu really wrote that?

    Q wrote ” Recently men women have been drinking and getting drunk and having sexual liasons with other women (wickking) in greater numbers”

    I say “show me the research based evedence”

    Q wrote “Taking the jobs of men”

    I say “show me the research based evedence”

    Q wrote ” building houses and living alone and undermining the idea of the nuclear family which is good for society”

    I say “show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote “Women in Barbados would go to a school and block, will have sex on the same bed where their child of school-age is sleeping”

    I say “show me the research based evidence” and if some women do this are they having s*x with men, with or with duppies?

    Q wrote “would have a child and deny the father seeing said child”

    I say “show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote “Service at retail outlets such as stores and other outlets is poor because women work in these places…All the complains about poor service in supermarkets and stores can be blamed on female employees”

    I say “show me the research based evidence”

    Q wrote “women do not think, are not logical and will not reason. Women feel ”

    I say “show me the research based evidence.”

    Q wrote “The older generation of men knew that women had to be monitored and controlled”

    I put it to you that the older generation of men knew no such thing. Up until 1962 when the oral contraceptive became available women (and men) started having children in mid to late adolesence and continued until about 45 for women and until whenever for a man who could find a young woman. IT WAS NOT MEN THAT HAD WOMEN IN CONTRO”. It was BIOLOGY that had women (and men) in the headlock of constant child bearing and child rearing.

    And if you think that it so easy to bear and rear multiple children even while inventing stuff, why don’t you try living as a woman for the next 30 years, regardless of your current gender. Go to the Childcare Board and ask them to give you a new born baby every other year for a 30 year period. Raise these children, invent your stuff and report back to us.

    Dear Q: I would not wish it to seem that you are emotional and petulant so I look forward receiving the EVIDENCE that “your information comes from research”


  40. J

    YOU ARE TYPICAL FEMALE
    I KNOW YOUR TYPE

    ANSWER THIS QUESTION
    WHY DO SOME FEMALE EMPLOYEES HATE FEMALE BOSSES
    WHY WOULD YOU HEAR FEMALES SAYING THAT THEY DONT LIKE WITH FEMALES
    ——-want a hint ?
    —————————–
    if you are going to ask who is combing my children’s hair -you are assuming my gender


  41. -insert –working with
    WHY WOULD YOU HEAR FEMALE WORKERS SAYING THAT THEY DONT LIKE TO WORK WITH FEMALES


  42. If some females say that I guess that there is some degree of self-hate.

    The same self hate that propels may Bajans to look for a lighter skinned spouse than themselves (and the lighter, the better)

    However it does not mean that good social policy should be based on self hate.


  43. But Q you say that you have research based evidence.

    Gimme me the citations nuh? So that I can check the research for myself.


  44. @GP

    We have heard that the logic is to have a six form which is strategically located, we have heard that the Community College is full, we have heard that there has been strong lobby to have admitted Foundation be admitted to the ‘elite’, we have heard many things.

    Our position is that Community College could be extended to accommodate increase six form applications. It seems a better use of resources.
    What is the truth?


  45. David
    I agree with your position that extending the Community College to accommodate increase six form applications is a better use of resources. That was why the BCC was designed in 1969.


  46. @ David,

    This is a tall order. If we are going to put education in focus, it must produce the workers, skills, professionals, etc. that we need, not only to build a society and economy but also to maintain it.

    This debate went into the feminists realm. I think that our women should re-think feminism because feminism is the creation of the women associated with white imperialism and they successfully found allies in women all over the world because of how we socialise our women and men for that matter.

    We have different issues. I have always argued that if the courts used to award custody to men like how they do with the women, the women would be more dilinquent in their payment of child money than men are today. It would become more of a disgrace than is perceived to be for men.

    Sometime back there were two cases where fathers were awarded custody of their children and the mothers never paid a cent in child support. Instead they were contented to spend time in jail ever so often for non-payment.

    Most of our women, when asked, will tell you that they ain’t giving no man money. You see that is their socialisation. to receive; some say a recepticle in more ways than one; and nothing derogatory, simply a natural physical phenomenon.

    Women do not have a culture of employment at the managerial level and again, that is a fact. Not saying they cannot work but that for most of the decisions they have make, their approach is not based on a culture and is more of a raw brashness meant to redefine the work culture by replacing the male culture with a female touch which was hitherto unknown, untested and untried.

    For them it is a new horizon but for most men (and women for that matter) it is or has been a nightmare. In a bank for example, I have seen people (including women) allow others in front of them until a male clerk is available.

    At one point I thought that service would be different, i.e. more caring; because we talking about mothers who brought up children, but I have come to find out that women will care for their own children but really have very little feelings for other children.

    There is no spirit of motherhood of the nation as may be expected, but rather a determined effort to undermine men, especially in the public service.

    In recent times, there has been an effort to move towards something called womanism, which takes into account the cultural role of the relationship between men and women.

    We relate to our women in a certain way and other cultures relate to theirs according to their ways. This theory argues that the advancement of women should happen from a cultural base and move towards equality from there rather than this reverse feminism that we are seeing right now.

    It is definitely too harsh. One of the principles of law is that man was not made for the law but the law was made for man. This really speaks of regulation; a disciplined approach to human activity. However, this discretion is abused in too many instances.

    Take a good example, again from the bank. Sometimes we may agree to partner with an NGO that may not be registered and/or don’t have a bank account.

    In these instances we would simply ask the NGO to sign over a cheque written to them and we would change it for them. Over a period of a year we never had a problem with this. Not much of this happens anyhow.

    One day I personally went to the bank with one of these cheques and was told by the female clerk that it was against bank policy. I told her that she was the first clerk in my life to tell me so and that no male clerk ever told me that.

    She went for her supervisor who was a man. Of course before he came she gave him the low-down and he confirmed what she said, which did not surprise me, given the conversation I saw happened behind the glass.

    I therefore went to another branch of the same bank and this time a male teller took it. he looked at it, picked up his rubber stamp, stamped it and that was that; cheque deposited. This was the same bank where the last teller was asking me if I wanted her to lose her job.

    I really expect a totally emotional response from a female to this post but in the interest of making this a better Barbados, women cannot think that they are perfect and whatever they do is well done.

    I overheard a couple arguing one day, where the man told the woman, “I don’t treat you so.” And she said, “that is because I don’t do anything to get you vexed.” His response was, “How you know that? Because I don’t complain?”


  47. Dear Q:

    I am posting this list of female Nobel Prize winners just for you”

    Marie Curie, Maria Joliot-Curie, Irene Joliot-Curie, Dorothy Crowfoot-Hodgkin, Gerty Cori, Rosalyn Yallow, Barbara McClintock, Rita Levi-Montalani, Christine Nusslein Volhard, Lidnda B. Buck, Selma Legerlof, Grazia Deledda, Sigrid Undset, Pearl Buck, Gabriela MIstral, Nelly Sachs, Nadine Gordimer, Toni Morrison, Wislawa Szymborska, Elfriede Jelinek, Doris Lessing, Bertha von Suttner, Jane Addams, Emily Greene Balch, Betty Williams, Mairead Corrigan, Mother Teresa, Alva Myrdal, Aung San Suu Kyi, Rigoberta Menchu, Jody Williams, Shirin Ebadi, Wangari Maathai.


  48. J

    I refer you to the post above by ROK

    deal wid the case

    deal with reality and stop trying to get into academic mumbo jumbo -bull-shit talk.—Lets deal with the lived reality. This is not an end of semester college exam


  49. @ROK

    Your argument is a contentious one but one which is worthy of discussion. Part of the challenge for developing countries is the fact that many of our people have been educated at higher learning institution in the developed world. It is obvious that our thinking must be influenced by the learning received.

    How can we manage our Caribbean space given how we have been taught to make it relevant to our people?


  50. @ David

    That last sentence should have stated “…how we have been taught to make it IRRELEVANT to our people?”.

    We could make it relevant by producing the labour, skills and professionals we need, rather than allow our best brains to make themselves available to Imperialism.

    How many scientists have we graduated over the past forty years? How many of them did experiments with our own flora and fauna? We let a white man come down here and put our lizard/snake in the scientific journals and I am sure one of our scientist would have had to direct this man to the snake.

    So what else? What about the medicinal value in our plants? We are here spending heaps upon heaps on importing medical supplies when in fact we have the raw materials for an entire industry here.

    So like Chis said, we are the consumers. We spend, spend until all is gone and do not invest any of it in ourselves. So we have to heap the praise on those mauby, seasoning, ketchup, jam, syrup, jelly and wine producers.

    Imagine that we surrounded by Sun (the source of energy) and sand (a raw material for retrieving silicia (which taps the energy from the Sun) and we allow the rest of the world to convince us that the process of getting silicon is too expensive. Foolishness!

    Ask any Caribbean scientist how to get silicon from sand and they can’t tell you. You know why? Well that side of the science makes the oil producers too vulnerable to allow solar to creep into any science course. This thing is so carefully hidden, that I challenge you to find a description of the process, David.

    I see Mr. Husbands from the BMA pursuing it and I told him in no uncertain terms that any way I can help let me know. As a matter of fact I plan to meet with him in the very near future.

    In order to reverse this trend, we would have to re-think our educational system. It can be argued that having an educational system which does not push our citizens into competitiveness is a formula for maintaining crime levels and producing crime waves.

    That is also why if one man start selling pig tails and is a success everybody jump on the bandwagon. Check the amount of pork limes they have now. See how when the ZRs came in everybody wanted a ZR. What does this tell you?

    We talk about Garvey but we don’t take the time to understand him. Our leaders still think that to pursue a Garvey philosophy would be to ostracise us from the world, but what Garvey did in essence is to construct a society based on our people’s culture and their needs.

    We quote Garvey as some kind of literary exercise. We uphold him but do not embrace him. Well Hammie La is spreading Garveyism when he behaves the way he does; when he puts poor people at the top of his priority list; when he creates systems and processes for them; when he says to Government, let the people shape their community according to what they want and what their needs are.

    When he brings computers for them; installs the best sporting and other facilities; when he established the welfare to work programme under the Ministry of Social Transformation.

    This is to let them know that anything anybody else can do they can do and even master it too. Give them a pride in themselves and make them feel like human beings, rather than the scum of the earth expected to commit all the crime in Barbados.

    Move them into new areas of activity and help them develop their true potential. You ever heard of Parkinson Business centre? There is a lady there now who used to dream of owning a laundry and Hammie La made that dream come true. There is a Barber there now who was so desparate for work and to find a source of income, he ain’t got no more problems.

    Prior to that, this was a useless empty space where nothing could happen and which we went through horrors with Town Planning in the early years. Then after years of prodding at the Town Planner, finally, Hammie came and told me that the Town Planner approved it and that all we had to do was to make sure of the space between the buildings to allow for emergency access, etc.

    Also, see how he used education to lift up the people: The Home Help programme for the elderly was expanded under his watch to give a better and regular service to the elderly; especially the shut-ins and disabled.

    He establsihed a training programme called “Care of the Elderly” which trained the personnel to expand the service and created another opportunity for our women to to find alternative employment.

    Today the “Care of the Elderly” course is a permanent part of the SJPP education courses. What this course has also done is to create a critical mass of workers that makes trained personnel available to homes for the elderly. This is now two-fold, because it not only provided employment but also upgraded the services to our elderly across Barbados. Think you could get into that course if you don’t come early? Ask SJPP.

    Our school system needs dismantling and we need to create focussed schools that will deliver the education as well as prepare our youth for the development of our country, rather than for its destruction.

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