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Letters to the Editor
KAIETEUR NEWS Newspaper
Georgetown, Guyana

FIVE ERRORS IN KAIETEUR NEWS EDITORIAL ON GUYANESE AND BAJANS

To whom this may be presented editor@guyanatimesgy.com, news@guyanatimesgy.com, kevin@caribbeannetnews.com, ngmirror@guyana.net.gy – inserted by Barbados Underground

I refer to your recent editorial entitled Bajans distain for Guyanese (KN,30 July 2008) . The paper must be commended for expressing concern for Guyanese nationals abroad. The Editorial made some good points. But the sometimes confusing opinion piece had a number of errors which if gone unchecked could make things worse for the sensitive subject matter..

FIRST ERROR: Relatives of a dead Guyanese man and wounded Guyanese woman in recent robbery at a bar in Barbados claim it is hate crime against Guyanese. It must therefore be true and in fact can be generalised to the whole situation in the island.

REALITY: We sympathise with the relatives. We understand their anguish.We respect their feeling that Guyanese were specially targeted. Consul Faria’s description of the original report in Kaiteur News as ‘speculative nonsense’ was not directed at the grieving relatives but at the paper’s overall sensationalist and poorly researched thrust which tried to paint the horrific incident as a hate crime against Guyanese. Evidence and facts, including from Barbados police and other intelligence (information) sources reaching the Guyana Consulate, do not support a hate crime scenario.The entertainment establishment is in an area where several other businesses, the majority owned and operated by Bajans, have been hit over the years by armed robbers.

SECOND ERROR: “It is a fact that anti-Guyanese sentiments are on the rise in Barbados…They are rampant “ REALITY: There is an increase, relative to say the 1980s, of a general public discussion on Guyanese presence in Barbados. Among the reasons for this: One, there has been an increase of Guyanese in the island (to fill jobs mainly in construction and agricultural sectors). Two, the discussion reflects a concomitant rise of phone in radio programmes (“talk radio”) and the need for moderators, in competing among themselves, to search for sensationalist emotional topics such as the Guyanese presence. This media discussion also includes views on the Caribbean Single Market and Economy (CSME). Three, regrettably individual opportunist opinion makers including politicians have publicly pandered to anti-CSME
sentiment ( though we must stress that senior government spokesperons, including Prime Minister David Thompson and Foreign Affairs Minister Chris Sinckler from the two main political parties in Barbados have spoken favourably of the Guyanese presence). In all of this, one may perceive an “anti-foreigner” , including Guyanese, sentiment. The Consulate from day one has spoken out against hateful, inflammatory rhetoric on the airwaves and in the print media. Its intervention, including to the Barbadian police to uphold the laws of Barbados against racial and other forms of incitement , have borne fruit. One cannot equate, as the Kaiteur News’ sometimes confusing editorial does, this public discussion, albeit at times distasteful and repugnant, with a generalised rise in anti-Guyanese feelings against Guyanese by the Barbadian people. The Consulate’s view is that in the main the majority of Barbadians still welcome Guyanese and are embarrassed by the handful of xenophobes who used to (they are now mainly censored out after the Consulate’s intervention) phone in the talk radio and write to the hateful, racist and lawless internet blogs (BU Highlight) which need to be monitored and controlled..We must build on unity and friendship among peoples rather than generalising from particular incidents which neverthess needs monitoring.

THIRD ERORR: The film “On the Map”, made by Barbadian film maker Annalee Davis, is another proof that anti-Guyanese sentiments are rampant in Barbados.

REALITY: Dr.Randy Persaud correctly notes that many of the interviewees and references to migrant workers in the movie are Guyanese. The film did not however generally point to any anti-Guyanese bashing in Barbados. It rightfully addressed the socio-economic difficulties and challenges facing migrant labour in several CARICOM countries.

FOURTH ERROR: The most “glaring” backlash against increasing Guyanese presence in recent times in Barbados was reflected in the treatment meted out by Barbadian immigration officers to Guyanese.

REALITY: The Guyana government,including the Consulate, is deeply concerned at reports of Guyanese who experience difficulties, including being denied entry at Barbados’ airport after spending hard earned money on tickets . No one can justify insulting remarks against Guyanese as contained in the reports. To equate the actions of immigration officers against certain, (the majority are permitted into Barbados) unfortunate arrivals with a generalised anti-Guyanese sentiment nevertheless doesn’t make sense. In Trinidad, an equal number or even more, in relative terms, of Guyanese are being denied entry. But because of the routinist, sensationalist preoccupation of sections of the Guyana media on Barbados, the difficultes of Guyanese there and in other Caribbean countries (not to mention New York where there are periodic shooting deaths and robberies of Guyanese) appear not to be worthy of attention.

FIFTH ERROR: The Guyana government, through its Consulate in Barbados, is not representing the interests of Guyanese there.

REALITY:
While the Guyana government and myself as Honorary Consul are deeply grieved at reports about discrimatory and other offences against Guyanese, there are proper ways to do things including being guided by protocol considerations. The overall aim is to maintain and build up the otherwise good and friendly relations between the government and people of Guyana and those in Barbados. The interests of people everywhere, especially working people, are the same. People are not inherently hateful to those from other lands. Guyanese and Barbadians have traditional family and friendship ties. The Consulate has worked over the years to build on this friendship and love, through for example the sponsoring of a Guyanese delegation of workers in the BWU May Day parade and the donations of Guyana hardwood benches to Barbadian senior citizen homes and district hospitals. Protocol dictates the Consulate cannot publicly criticise Barbadian authorities such as the Police and Immigration. It, like the Guyana government, works assiduously in the background when necessary with letters and meetings in the interests of Guyanese. We work closeley with and recognise the commendable contributions of Barbadian institutions such as the trade unions, NGOs, community groups and churches in building unity and friendship. I earnestly do believe this is the way to go. We nevertheless must act when there are real or perceived injustices against our people, especially when anti-foreigner pandering becomes an intrinsic plank of mainstream politics, as has happened with right wing parties in Europe.
And the media, both in Guyana and Barbados, has a role to play. Rather than the routinist, poorly researched and sensationalist “us against them” approach, there must be a sober, well thought out outreach which can overcome any tensions and difficulties. Only then, can Guyanese, Barbadians and all of us continue to move ahead in friendship and love and make the societies an even better place for all of us.
Respectfully Yours,

NORMAN R. FARIA
Guyana’s Honorary Consul in Barbados


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97 responses to “Guyana Consul Norman Faria Forced To Do Damage Control”


  1. Despite being accused by Faria as a racist blog we have continued to publish his press releases unedited.

    Certainly Faria must realize by now that BU is about discussing this matter in a way which exposes all the sides. We have been forced to do it this way because traditional media in Barbados continue to adopt a passive stance while the media in Guyana is busy misrepresenting how Barbadians truly feel on the matter of illegal immigration which is currently being manifested through the large numbers of Guyanese, especially of Indian persuasion living in Barbados.

    We find it instructive that Faria did not feel pushed to send his press release to the local media. It speaks volumes.


  2. What, may I ask, is a Guyanese of INDIAN persuasion? And how, according to Faria, can a blog, comprising different viewpoints, be RACIST?

  3. Wishing In Vain Avatar
    Wishing In Vain

    The Guyanese people may well be served better by appointing a new Guyana Honorary Consul in Barbados


  4. Surely, it must be the ultimate shame for the government of any country when its people are forced to run and become unwelcome immigrants in another….. not as a result of natural calamity, acts of God or even plain bad luck, but due entirely to POOR LEADERSHIP, weak moral institutions and gutless people.

    How representatives of such a country, be it the president, or honorary counsel, could stand up and pretend to speak with any kind of moral authority is most amazing to the Bush tea.

    I will leave it to Negroman to continue to represent the interest of sensible Bajans as he has so far done. However Bajans may wish to look at this situation from another point of view…

    Guyanese, especially afro Guyanese, are very much like Bajans in demeanor and outlook. It always amazed me how they allowed first Forbes Burnham and then other despots to do as they liked with that country.

    Anyone with a little common sense could see that these ‘leaders’ were no good for that country, yet they was no outcry from the people… does anyone who can actually read think that the current president should have been reelected?

    A people ALWAYS get exactly what they deserve.

    In Barbados’s case, it is only through the grace of God and the mechanism of BU and BFP that we are not in a similar boat right now…. and unless we are careful, it is still VERY possible that we can end up there even now…

    Any country, whose people refuse to take an interest in matters of state and in their national leadership can find itself just like Guyana.

    I wish to compliment the RASTA community for its stand on the death of l’Akobi and their INSISTENCE that an independent inquiry be held and the TRUTH be known.

    Just like BAPE took a public stand on the flyover issue, they too should call for an inquiry into the death of this engineer – as should ALL Bajans.

    Not only is it a right of everyone to seek to ensure that justice be done- IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY – otherwise what we get will be no one’s fault but our own.


  5. Agreed wiv. Egotist and delusionary Faria getting it from both sides which renders him irrelevant. Time for him to go. Hopefully his replacement will be display more tact.


  6. The Guyanese in Barbados those who are Indo-Guyanese and Afro-Guyanese immigrants – illegal or otherwise – are only part of the “ISSUE” the Guyana Honorary Consul seems to be a main element. When that situation arises it means that the Consul is unable to do his job “effectively”.

    He should therefore be withdrawn, in the interest of friendly relations between Guyana and Barbados, if a frieldly relationship is the desired outcome.


  7. The most telling point to me was when Faria said:

    “the handful of xenophobes who used to call in talk radio are now mainly censored out due to his – norman faria’s intervention…..”

    This to me speak volumes.

    This to me is an indictment of talk radio – in particular VOB.

    This to me is an indictment on those at VOB who try to pull wool over the people’s eyes when they told us there is still free speech in Barbados and at VOB.

    This to me answers all the unresolved questions as to whether VOB was acting under the direct behest of Norman Faria of Guyana.

    Since he continues to still blame SOME MODERATORS – it is clear his collusion with this is with the senior management of VOB and MIKE BROWN the producer of the call in show who seems to take delight in censuring all discussion about the ill effects of immigration or the ill effects of the guyanese presence here in Barbados.

    WE ARE NOT LIVING IN A FREE COUNTRY IF A GUYANESE MAN WHO IS ONLY AN HONOURARY CONSUL MIND YOU,CAN DICTATE TO A BARBADIAN RUN – AND FORMERLY OWNED RADIO STATION – WHAT DISCUSSION CAN GO OUT AS IT RELATES TO HIS COMMUNITY – THEN THAT STATION – VOB – MUST BE BOYCOTTED IN WHAT EVER WAY POSSIBLE.

    Today VOB – Tomorrow who is next?

    Is this an indictment of Norman Faria? NO!

    Which other country that has a majority population would allow poor destitute immigrants economic refugee migrants to dictate along with their quasi destitiute representative – what the majority population should and should not say,or what the majority population should and should not think about the immigrant group.

    VOB nor commissioner Dotting can’t hide under the banner of incitement – because even he Norman Faria has said that it was just a ‘handful of xenophobes’ who called in on the phone.

    So going by his description – which I don’t share – barbadians were not rising up in rage because those ‘handful of xenpohobes’ were expressing their opinion.

    There are so many thoughts going through my mind right now but suffice it to say – as a black barbadian – Today I hang my head in shame over the capitulation by VOB – against its own people – the very people who made that station what it is Today.

    A darkness has descended upon us.

    May God have mercy upon us.

    If these are the black people we look to for leadership then if they are representative of who we have leading our various institutions – then indeed people – WE ARE LOST!.

    Only those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will really understand what has taken place.


  8. If the editors of Kaieteur News deem it a “hate crime” because of the murder of a Guyanese national and the wounding of another in Barbados, then one can safely assume that hate crimes are rampant in Guyana based on the number of murders in that peaceful oasis.


  9. On the subject of VOB and their ambivalent stance towards the illegal immigrant and Indo-Guyanese issue. We have noticed that the moderator Marsha Hinds who was very vocal at the On The Map screening and then was silenced by the policy of Operation Don’t Talk About Illegal Problem at VOB has not appeared on the call-in programme since.

    Are we wrong because we must confess we don’t listen to every single program. To be frank it has become somewhat predictable. Vic Fernades has prostituted the programme to the sponsors and other interest.

  10. Wishing In Vain Avatar

    Vic Fernades has prostituted the programme to the sponsors and other interest.

    After all he is a product of the BLP so to the former bosses Tony Audain, and Sir Fred Gollop so do we really need to search any further ???

    The call in shows of VOB have in many cases have become monologues as was the case yesterday with 9 minutes of PRERAMBLE by Stetson Babb at the end of which no one was any closer to being able to make heads or tails about where he was attempting to go with his tripe.

    The quality has fallen away to new lows.


  11. Stetson Babb? Where did he come from? Last time I saw Babb he was selling pointed toe shoes.


  12. THE PRICE OF FREDOM IS ETERNAL VIGILANCE.

    Vigilance comes from the words vigil, and vision.

    It means to keep watch, to keep our eyes open.


  13. It is an indictment not only on VOB,but on the government of Barbados and by extension the people of Barbados.How can we have a person of the calibre of Norman Faria forcing a radio station in Barbados to curtail callers view on a particular subject matter.It is just amazing.Where is the minister responsible for broadcasting position on this matter.I want to hear our prime minister views on this matter.This matter is of fundamental importance to the future of black people in this country that a response is necessarily from our leader.Prime Minister Thompson the people of Barbados is calling on you to make your position known on the curtailing of the people’s rights to speak on issues of a national concern on our radio stations.If no response is forthcoming I will assume that you and your government are complicit in this attack on the rights of us to make our views be known on this all important issue of too much guyanese in Barbados especially the racist Indo-Guyanese
    VOB position is not surprising because after all CEO of the corporation Vic Fernandes is a Guyanese,the station is owned by Trinidadians most likely Indians and Mrs Ram is one of the biggest advertisers on the radio station.I also mentioned to the bloggers that VOB wanted to carry a program on the growing Indian population in Barbados and it was blocked by Mrs.Ram.She indicated that if the program was aired she would have withdrawn her advertising from the station.I want Vic Fernandes,David Ellis and the whole of VOB management to come and deny this allegation.They cannot because it is true.
    People do like Negroman boycott the damn stupid station.Do not listen to any of the programmes,do not make contributions to the call in programmes and if some of you all are business people do not advertise on the station.Send a strong message to VOB We can do without that radio station.We must stand up and be prepare to make sacrifices for ideals we believe in.Stop being cowards and show guts in these perilous times for black people.Stand up,Boycott blasted VOB and let David Thompson and his governemnt know that we voted for change and we want to see real change.We want to see a change in the programming policy at VOB.Our views on this immigration matter must never be silence by Norma Faria,Ricky Singh and the reactionary forces out there.
    People the warning signs of the impending danger are there in Norma Faria,Ricky Singh,Vic Fernandes and the lot. This what we are to expect if we allow Indians to take over Barbados as it appears they are destined to do.

    BLACK PEOPLE BEWARE


  14. I would like this “kachar” Faria to know that bajan’s deal with frauds like you everyday and once you live your life daily with an ear to the streets you will hear things which eventually turn out to be true.Do you really think “Indo -Guyanese don’t commit crimes in Barbados,don’t they kill one another back home,so what is the difference here?
    Does Mr.Faria think that “Indo-Guyanese ” can’t get guns in Barbados to commit crimes AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE LIKE MURDER??DOES FARIA THINK ALL BAJANS ARE STUPID??My advice to you sir is to look for another island to shovel your shit to cause in the long run bajans won’t be having it and i think that you don’t want the black population here rising up,they have put up with bullshit from the whiteman for years and now you want to shove the indos down their throat,bottomline, all you got to do is keep trying to win favour for the indos in a 95% black country…Faria i don’t think you really know bajans here..somebody fooling you!!!


  15. Negroman

    I believe that if journalists (if there are any remaining) at VOB – at a staff meeting or policy meeting were to say – we feel our professionalism is being compromised as well as our integrity with regards to the dictates coming from certain outside forces and our inability to persue our profession in the way it should be persued – and we would like to see the following changes (a,b,c, etc) – re the covering of the illegal immigration matter – then would the management not listen as a whole to this form of constructive criticism?

    But the truth is they are not professionals – only people who are workers in a particular place.

    They have no priniciple on which to stand – and note no one is suggesting they go overboard and jeopardise their job – but pleasssse – HAVE AN OPINION AND STATE IT.At least stand up for something.

    If the moderators at VOB could all stand up and say we cannot continue to operate as a moderator with any integrity if MIKE BROWN the producer refuses to allow ‘fair discussion’ on the issue and continues to censor legitimate concerns.

    I believe the minister with responsibility for broadcasting – who happens to be the prime minister – needs to be told
    about what is going on at VOB.

    Barbadians voices are being supressed on VOB once the issue about the guyanese presence is raised and when the shit hits the fan I hope VOB and those in there who are responsible for this behaviour,get a good set of it.

    I agree with all those above who have said that VOB ratings have plummetted.Things have deteriorated at that station.

    My concern however, lies more with the dangerous trend that has started at that station where a non national in the person of norman faria can decide broadcasting policy on that station – WITH THE AGREEMENT OF VOB.

    He has boldly stated that in his Press Release above to the Guyanese newspapers.

    Why can’t he go and try that at CBC Radio and T.V.?

    Simply because the persons in charge at CBC know when to draw the line and the indian influence has not captivated and kept them in a stranglehold as those at VOB.

    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    Mrs Ram, a non national of indian descent has -according to Negroman,and I have heard a similar story before where she is alleged to have used the same strong man tactic at the Nation and Advocate – re pulling her advertisements off – if X or Y is done or not done .

    She, now based on what we are hearing can also dictate to VOB what goes out there on air.

    All I will say for the moment is – this matter should not be allowed to die – and should be taken further.

    Our future as a people is at stake.


  16. Negroman start a campaign to boycott VOB talk programs. If the majority of Barbadians are of liked mind then VOB will get the picture. They are any number of US base talkshow programmes available online, that have content that althought is specific to the location of the radio station still has lesson from which Barbados and Barbadians can draw from and learn. These shows still diScuss things that all of us are grappling with, like Immigration, rising fuel and food prices, corrupt politicians and their actions.


  17. Which other country that has a majority population would allow poor destitute immigrants economic refugee migrants to dictate along with their quasi destitiute representative – what the majority population should and should not say,or what the majority population should and should not think about the immigrant group.

    *******************************************

    The hypocrisy of Norman Faria, of randy Persaud, of many Indians peeing on BU is astounding. The state owned media which gets its funding from tax payers is run like an ethnic propaganda machine, where Guyanese blacks are subjected to racial slurs and allusions by letter writers et al. You guys should query why Norman Faria does not consider it expedient to clean up the xenophobic ethnicist in his back yard before he proceeds to point an accusing finger at BU.

    You see, this is par for the course. Faria and many in the Guyanese Indian community subscribe to the notion that their anti-black perjudice is the paradigm for interaction between the two groups. And in this context, protest against this paradigm is becomes an attack on Indians for them. And because the so called independent media in Guyana is monopoly owned by Indians and non blacks, this paradigm sustains as the standard for wrong and right.

    The uncle Tom leadership of the commonwealth Caribbean that refuses to call Faria et al to acount for their historic anti black prejudice, but instead continue to indict black people for something they are far less prone to than every other group in this world, is nauseating. And that is why black people in this wolrd continue to lag behind all others. We produce leaders who spend most of their damn time obsequiously shuffling around people who practice the worse forms of anti black prejudice. No one is asking them to be intolerant others. All they have to is to grow a back bone and begin to call it as it is.


  18. Adrian Hinds

    Negroman start a campaign to boycott VOB talk programs. If the majority of Barbadians are of liked mind then VOB will get the picture. They are any number of US base talkshow programmes available online, that have content that althought is specific to the location of the radio station still has lesson from which Barbados and Barbadians can draw from and learn. These shows still diScuss things that all of us are grappling with, like Immigration, rising fuel and food prices, corrupt politicians and their actions.
    *******************************************

    I can never understand how business people can come into black communities and profit off of black consumerism, but then manifest the effontry to determine what kind of information that blacks should be exposed to, and what they should be able say. This presumtiousnes is typical of the slave master mentality. The slave master mentality is a cognitive construct that the owner of that mentality knows what is best for his or her slaves. Although today they recognize that they cannot chain and shackle us physically, the strategy is to do so mentally. Hence Ram’s uppity attitude of using her advertising dollars to restrict the mental freedom of blacks. Tell me in what other relationship one can find this kind of behaviour. It is the slave master mentality.

    Black people need to become assertive in this world in terms of calling out people and not being reluctant to tell them like it is. No, we must never inculcate patterns of their belief system that base interaction between groups on the notion that one is intellectually superior and the other is intellectually inferior. You can go as far back as you would care to into our pre-enslavement history and you will not encounter evidence of such enculterations among African Civilizations. In fact visitors to those civilizations gushed about the tolerance of Africans for others, and maybe this tolerance contributed immensely to our domination. None the less, we have to be proud of our unique history of tolerance and forgiveness as exemplified in our reactions after 400 years of victimization, and even more profoundly, a continuance of those values as reflected in the Southern Africa situation. We must never surrender or turn our backs on these distinctions.


  19. Please realise that the VOB call in shows are more about selling advertising than allowing callers to discuss issues.
    In fact there are more ads than actual programming content during prime time generally.
    People should realise that VOB is not the same as when it started out. It has acquire the greater share of the market and now sells that to advertisers while shortchanging listeners.
    It is hard to believe that people will tune to a station to listen to ads, but that is what they are now doing.


  20. I have not idea whether or not it was a hate crime, but from when I was growing up, there was always a general dislike of Guyanese, for some reason. It’s not imagined.

    It was queried as to why my dad married a Guyanese woman, instead of a Barbadian one. And when my mother and I ever visited Guyana for holidays, getting back into the country was always a hassle for her, (not me on a British passport!): she used a Guyanese passport, but had proof of Barbados citizenship.

    My memory of these return trips, was sitting in immigration control with my mum for hours, while they tried desperately to get her returned to Guyana. Along with usually another 10-20 Guyanese.

    It always ended with my dad finally getting permission to come and find us: and when he insisted that she was his wife, and she was a resident, he was asked if it was a ‘happy’ marriage (subtext, did her marry my mum just so that she could get citizenship).

    While my mum was working, she heard and was the subject of many anti-Guyanese grumps. And general anti-foreigner rants.

    So is there a general anti-Guyanese/general xenophobic feeling in Barbados? I would say yes, because these incidents occurred multiple times, over several years.


  21. “So is there a general anti-Guyanese/general xenophobic feeling in Barbados?”
    I say no, just check out Bridgetown any Friday or Saturday afternoon. Fairchild, Marhill, Swan, Lower Roebuck, Tudor and Nelson Streets to mention a few.


  22. The BU family want to not that the Prime Minister of Barbados will appear on the VOB call-in program this morning at 11AM. It might be instructive to hear how this exchange shapes-up.

    Here is the link for the overseas BU family.


  23. Vic Fernandes first wife is indian,and his current wife is part indian.

    You believe vic fernandes want bajans to be discussing anything about indian racial hostility towards blacks on VOB airwaves?

    Get real,vic fernandes is an indian lover.

    Why do you think Veoma Ali has so much clout at VOB?

    Another indian,lesbian though she is.

    Are you getting the picture yet?

    You,the blacks main purpose is to buy from the indians and like Just Waiting said – be the listeners ie the consumers and not to have a voice on the concerns about race,or illegal immigration.

    Don’t get tie up your only value is as a consumer.

    So people,then use that consumer power to your benefit,start boycotting shops,businesses and radio stations who seek to keep you down.

    If 29 persons start doing this and then start encouraging those in the households not to do it,and then start telling their friends and then the boys on the block,we will seea noticeable effect and then these people will have to sit up and take notice.

    Don’t wait for your neighbour,or the politician to start the action, you do it for your self.

    One ,one blow kill ole cow.


  24. This is the time to test VOB and call to discuss the guyanese issue and see if Mike Browne will cut the callers off.

    Let david thompson get an idea of what is really going on.


  25. He knows already. This will be another PR programme.


  26. Dear Vetlet:

    You may find it surprising that your mother’s “problems” with Barbados Immigration were not anti-Guyanese. The general rule is that when you are entering a country in which you have citizenship you should ensure that you have a passport for that country and that you should always use that passport for entry.

    I am a Bajan and hold citizenship of another country. Gained not through marriage but gained after working and paying taxes there for many, many years. Last year I tried to enter that second country with my Barbados passport and I was pulled aside in an area with all the suspected illegal immigrants and questioned. I took the questioning like the good sport that I am. I do not believe that my second country is anti-Bajan. As a matter of fact I know for certain that it is exceedingly welcoming to Bajans. But I did confuse the Immigration officer by showing a Barbados passport and when he pulled up my name in the immigration records he found that I had legal status in that my second country.

    I think that we forget that most Immigration officers even in first world countries (as is my second country) are not lawyers who graduated at the top of their classes. Most have only a secondary education and are trying their best to correctly apply quite complex immigration rules and to keep the Immigration lines moving quickly even while trying their best not to make mistakes as they are anxious to hold on to their good pensionable government jobs.

    So we must not cry discrimination or racism when none such is intended. As a matter of fact the Immigration officer who pulled me aside was himself a “visible minority” and likely an immigrant or child of immigrants himself.

    If you mother has Barbados citizenship she should ALWAYS use her Barbados passport when entering Barbados. Her “problems” will disappear like magic.

    I remember once traveling with a Haitian friend the same race and gender as I am and who is far better educated than me. The Haitian friend who has a doctorate from an accredited first world university and who speaks both French and English with native fluency was pulled aside every time and I was never pulled aside. I was traveling with a first world passport but I had not changed my race nor place of birth. But many countries including in this instance other “third” world countries were unwilling to admit the Haitian.

    Was it racism? I think not. The truth is that many countries are unwilling to admit nationals of countries which are seen as politically or economically unstable. And such I believe is often the case with Guyanese visitors to Barbados.

    Tell your mother to ALWAYS use her Barbados passport when coming to Barbados.

    And “yes” unfortunately sham immigration marriages do exist in countries which are seen as economically and socially stable and desirable place to migrate.

    I


  27. Just Waiting

    If as you say david thompson knows already,then can you help us ‘Just Waiting’ as to what his position is on the issue.

    Can you fill in the blanks.


  28. I remember discussing Guyana with a friend at Gibb’s Beach back in the 1960’s when I was little more than a child and I said then and I say now that Guyana’s problems are caused by the fact that black Guyanese and Indian Guyanese truly hate each other.

    When the black Guyanese are in political office they discriminate against and mis-treat the Indian Guyanese.

    And when the Indian Guyanese are in political office they discriminate against mis-treat the Black Guyanese.

    And that Black Guyanese hold negative stereotypical beliefs against Indian Guyanese.

    And that Indian Guyanese hold negative stereotypical beliefs against Black Guyanese.

    And that the problem is as intractable and potential as dangerous as the problem between the Jews and the Arabs in the Middle East.

    I wish that I could offer a solution but many Many Nobel prizes have been WASTED in the Middle East and still the problem of mutual hate exists.

    The solution is LOVE, but I am NOT HOPEFUL that that simple solution will be implemented in the Middle East or in Guyana any time soon.

    In both geographical areas THE PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED TOO MUCH IN THEIR HATE and are unwilling to give up their hateful investment.

    And we must be very careful in Barbados that we do not allow a proxy race war to be fought on our territory and with our blood.

    Anybody can now come on this blog and tell me that I lie.


  29. This issue is nothing new. Mr. Thompson walks among the common people almost every weekend. I cannot say what his personal position is but the government’s position is public knowledge. http://www.nationnews.com/story/43462566102175.php
    I believe there will be no policy on immigration especially illegal immigration as there is to much ingrained corruption and people in authorithy willing to turn a blind eye to certain issues which affect the masses.


  30. You see the shite that going on ?

    Mike browne just cut off something the prime minister was saying.

    Now tell me who the **&#* is mike browne?

    You want to tell me that david thompson a very senior lawyer would not know how to put across his thoughts and avoid litigation for VOB?

    This is being carried live on CBC radio – and to tell you how ignorant – and by that I mean – lacking in knowledge and common sense – he mike browne is – that even though it is a joint broadcast he is applying this same shit standard to a public event.

    I am going to write the prime minister and ask him not to do any other press conferences at VOB studio – because that semi -illiterate mike brown would treat that press conference in the same way he treats the call in programmes.


  31. Note that the PM’s idea about ‘managed migration’ is to decide what mininimum level of social services to give to immigrants from Caricom! At this time, officially, non Barbadians are not afforded access to say public education and health facilities.

    I find it laughable that he believes that his budget is redistributive! Most of the tax burden falls on the ordinary man in the street.


  32. The ordinary man is important to politicians just before an election. Taxes always impact more on those at the bottom of the economic scale. The electricity subsidy benefits those at top, who can afford to pay, more than those at the bottom. Yet there was no attempt made to adjust this so that kwh usage over a certain amount would not benefit from the subsidy. As it is now there is no incentive for heavy users to conserve energy. It would have been better for the ordinary “small” man if the electricity subsidy was removed and fuel prices remained at the previous level. I can conserve more electricity than I can gas.


  33. Is barbados not a country of free speech. I think down to brass trak need new a vision and real people that are not afraid to let people speak they mind & not cut them off. as for the people from guyana why the hell you all do nt go back where u all come from, and stop crying that bajans do nt like u all, u think we can do the shite u all do in your country and get away with it.


  34. vetlet said:

    It was queried as to why my dad married a Guyanese woman, instead of a Barbadian one. And when my mother and I ever visited Guyana for holidays, getting back into the country was always a hassle for her, (not me on a British passport!): she used a Guyanese passport, but had proof of Barbados citizenship.

    My memory of these return trips, was sitting in immigration control with my mum for hours, while they tried desperately to get her returned to Guyana. Along with usually another 10-20 Guyanese.
    ————————————–
    What I find odd is if you mother held Barbados citizenship why did she never entered with her Barbados passport.It is actually required by law if you’re a Citizen of Barbados.Are you sure it is Barbados citizenship & not just Barbados permanent residency ?

    Anyway,the immigration officers couldn’t have deported her at all if she was a Citizen at the time,in fact that would’ve been illegal.Barbados citizens have an absolute right to enter the country which supercedes any immigration officer & any minister themselves.In my younger years I have seen some of things you’ve mentioned but I see it being more as protectionist than xenophobic.Barbados has a lot of natural wonders & lets face it the more people living permanently on the island the more likely a larger populace could degrade said natural wonders such as our beautiful beaches through the use of expanded ways to get rid of waste & with that waste will go our tourist dollars as well.

    Here in the US,if someone who is a Citizen or Permanent resident should enter as a non-immigrant they risk not only losing their status but being placed in a detention facility until their status is known.In fact,some US permanent residents lose their status that way because it seen as abandoning ones status while a US citizen might actually be turned away at a point of entry to the last country they came from until they have a valid US passport to enter on.

    Anyway,Now that CSME looks likely to be delayed I believe the government should take the advantage to at least implement stricter entry requirements & an effort at internal security at the same time to cut down on the number of illegal immigrants.While I’ve never seriously listed to VOB maybe they should rename it to VOG,Voice of Guyana if Bajans truly are being censored because of the immigration issue.


  35. […] Sometimes we forget ourselves and the fact that there are many who would like to see Barbados Free Press and the other Bajan blogs taken down tomorrow. Even Guyana Consul Norman Faria is echoing Mia Mottley’s position that free speech in Barbados should be stopped. (See Barbados Underground’s article Guyana Consul Norman Faria Forced To Do Damage Control) […]


  36. We are so worried about Guyanese yet we have a huge Chinese population and those guys don’t like black people at all, they’ll take our money but have nothing to do with us, yet we bag on Guyanese all the time, if we don’t want them set entry requirements and control who can come and who cant else treat all immigrants the same and stop being that way, we are suppose to be such a religious island then show it, don’t stoop the the level of the Americans, respect a person/people and treat everyone equal, when an individual breaks the law, punish him.


  37. Hi HAPPY KADOOMENT everyone!

    I jumped today and gotacheez I respect and agree with what you have said but let me tell you the Guyanese was down Spring Garden LIKE WATER!

    Goatcheeze, we in trouble cause I saw real INDO-Guyanese especially (AND THEY MAKE BLACKS IN GUYANA SNORT WE ARE NOT PURPLE)!

    I was in my band doing the DAWG and every where I turned they were there! These people dont like us and let me tell you THEY AINT GOING NO WAY!

    Many persons have gone away to work in Canada on the Canadian Program and MANY return home!!

    No one has a problem with them coming to work but to bring your WHOLE family through illegal means to our country is another story! That goes for any DAMN race; it is unfair, they should be hauled to an aeroplane! If it was us and we were caught it would not have made a difference we would have deserved to be sent packing!

    We need a tighter immigration policy!

    N.B. I REFER TO ALL PERSONS WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!


  38. Goatcheeze
    The chinese situation is one that has to be monitored. Had we done the same to the guyanese, we wouldn’t be in this jam right now. Therefore I agree with you ALL illegal immigrants need to be deported, since we have too many legal ones here that has slipped through the cracks. Have you seen the amount of chinese restuarants springing up all over the coiuntry?


  39. I was on Spring Garden and believe me we are in trouble. The amount of Guyanese both indo & black I saw I thought I was on Regent Street in Guyana.Talk about Guyanese.I cannot believe it.
    If half of those Guyanese are permanent residents or are citizens believe me we have lost the battle.
    I saw whole indo -guyanese famlilies grand mothers,grand fathers,fathers,mothers,sisters,brothers children & quite a few of the indo-guyanese women are pregnant.I was in total shocked. I tried to visit some stalls to have a drink and and every stall I visited it was surrounded by all guyanese.I got so disgusted I left and went into St Lawrence Gap at a nice restaurant to relax myself and have a decent drink.
    I will admit that maybe some of them are here on holiday and are taking in crop over and might be leaving.If that is the case so be it.I doubt it very much.I know the vast majority will be staying.I am telling you all it was thousands upon thousands I am not exaggerating.It was unbelievable.
    After what I witness on Spring Garden black people in this country are in serious trouble.The demographic shift is well on its way and there is little or nothing we can do at this stage.The political directorate who we put our trust in to help deliver us out of this bondage is unable,unwilling and incapable of helping the situation.Therefore I believe we blacks must be pro-active and seek opportunities for ourselves.I have a suggestion I am sure many of you all might not agree with me.Guyana has more land mass than Barbados,It has more resources and potential than Barbados those are facts we must admit.Land in Guyana is very cheap in comparison to price of land in Barbados.I think we blacks must start buying up large chunks of land in Guyana and we must also help increase the black population in Guyana so that the blacks will be dominant race in Guyana say in the next 20 years or so.We must start planning for the future such as the other races are doing.I believe Barbados is gone and there is no turning back for Barbados.Barbados in the future is not going to be the Barbados we knew previously before the jokers Owen Arthur and now this inept leader we have David Thompson.It has gone pass the point of no return.The Indians are going to destroy Barbados the same way the Indians have Trinidad & Tobago & Guyana destroyed.Everything those detestable people touch they contaminate and destroy.Barbados is next.I serious think we blacks must start investing in Guyana.I have mentioned this idea to some friends and workmates of mines and I must say a few of them have taken up the suggestion and I know for a fact one of them has bought land and property in Guyana and yours truly is in the process of doing likewise.If all the indo-guyanese want to come here let them come and we will go to Guyana and strengthen the black race over there and take away the country from the indo-guyanaese.


  40. You know, Negroman, I think you are racist.


  41. Juris even if he is racist he is NOT LYING! I couldn’t believe it WE ARE IN TROUBLE!


  42. juris why is it that every time a black person has to stand up and defend the rights & dignity of black people that is person has all types o labels attached to him.The labels attached to me would not bother me.Norma Faria,Ricky Singh,Dr Randy Persaud and the like are defending the interest of indo-guyanese and you do not have the guts to label those individuals as racist.People like you will call them freedom fighters acting on behalf of their race.Juris if you are black and I hope not it is the anti black blacks and token blacks like yourself that have the black race in the predicament we in.Blacks in Barbados are under seige and not one of our leader are taking this immigration issue seriously.As usual we are a crisis people and we will only react when the full impact is upon us and we have no other choice but to defend ourselves.


  43. But, Negroman, I am black and I said I thought you were racist because of the way you described Indo- Guyanese. “Detestable people”, you were disgusted at their presence. Do you feel the same way about white people, chinese, italians? Of course those persons you mention are defending the interests of Indo- Guyanese and perhaps they are racist too. But you can represents the interests of your race without being so virulent towards another.


  44. Negroman is not being a hypocrite, that’s all.

    You may not realise in your life time depending in your age – but your children and your grand children will soon realise that these poor indians who look so innocent and in your eyes only want to work hard – will soon show their true colours as soon as they get a foothold.


  45. Negroman let me add I understand the point Juris is making. I am black and as loyal a Bajan as they come. I dont endorse the over emphasis on Indo Guyanese. That borders on the kind of racism that we put up with from the white people.
    I strongly believe we have to regulate and manage our immigration so that all incoming are treated fairly. Our laws must be enforced without fear or favour. Once we do those things there is no way any particular ethnic group can overrun or dominate our 95% black population.


  46. I must admit, it hurts that we bajan are not uniting against this problem, negroman isn’t a racist, if he’s one then I’m one. I love my all people, but we must stand up for what’s right. lets reflect, The coolie-man , he came around and we fed his business, he brought his wife and children from India, he mixed not, the Chinese , same thing, they mix not , the indo-guyanese well we all know how they do it. I see them and they family, these people keep to themselves and grow they population, before we know it we are lost, please lets not fight against each other, get these people out of our island before it’s to late.

  47. Out of curiosity Avatar
    Out of curiosity

    The taking away of Barbadian jobs by the Guyanese CONTINUE TO HAPPEN!

    There is a restaurant in St. Lawrence Gap namely Josef Restaurant owned by an Indian man name Thomas Harris. There are approximately two persons there who are illegal immigrants. Recently, there was a case at the restaurant where a Barbadian worker was laid off and these 2 illegal guyanese are still employed. The reason given for the laying off of the Barbadian worker was that the Guyanese are being paid less and no service charge is paid to them.

    However, Service Charge must be paid to the Barbadians and hence this is the reason why the Barbadian was laid off whilst the Guyanese was kept on!

    This matter was referred to the Immigration Department by ‘yours truly’ and hopefully action SHOULD be taken on this matter.

    I made it abundantly clear that this is one issue that if the authorities refuse to act, I would let BARBADIANS know via the internet and by any means necessary. In addition, I will be sending a letter to the Minister responsible for immigration in regarding this issue and to the Prime Minister’s Office!

    We must not ALLOW this to happen in Barbados!

    BARBADIANS JOBS ARE UNDER THREAT!

    Moreover, there is another issue that was brought to my attention. There has been some ongoing issues troubling the Great Escape hotel. There is a lady from Sweden or Switzerland who was hired to train persons this was since 2003. However, she has fired many Barbadians and has literally left them in tears I don’t know what has become of this WICKED WHITE WOMAN who has then hired her WHITE friends and fired BLACK BAJANS!

    Maxine McClean haven’t you not just passed a law to deal with this problem? Or was it just another law to make oneself sound BLACK AND CONCERNED!

    What has the PM done about these issues these people are getting through wayyyyyy better than US Bajans! We HAVE to go through the correct channels yet meet many stumbling blocks and most of the times give up this is not FAIR!

    Finally, there is one more burning issue. Those who went to the Kadooment celebrations would have seen extended families of Indo Guyanese; I hope for all of our sakes that these were on vacation LOL!
    (hoping in vain)

    I have found out recently that no one had to show Identification to get a stall. The Guyanese slept down Spring Garden to MAKE SURE that they got a stall. Shouldn’t there not be some procedure put in place for such an important festival! Where is our identity. Montano, Guyaese , Lil John and the list goes on! Even Larry Mayers was complaining.

    Bajans WAKE UP! I agree with Negro man JC, Goatcheese, Anon, Scout Technician (I’m not hearing you like before running scared I hope not!)

    The Government of Barbados continues to sleep whilst ordinary BLACK bajans continue to suffer! They need to get their act together or ELSE!


  48. I was down Spring Garden and I saw many extended families that OOC was referring too! All of my friends and colleagues were talking about this problem that the Government BLATANTLY REFUSES to deal with!

    What about the other points that OOC referred too! These are some serious allegations and need to be looked at immediately.


  49. Out of Curiousity

    I have a lot of time for people like you.

    You know why? – because you didnot just see a problem and grumbled,but you took steps – you informed the immigration – and if you get no satisfaction there you intend to take it further.

    Man you are a boss – this is how my people should be.

    I am doing all I can – although I would not say exactly what publicly – but whatever little bit I can do – I don’t hold back either.

    I am also spreading the word to every one of my fellow bajans – to educate them – to open their eyes against these indians.

    I keep insisting that these guyanese indians could not stay unless bajans collude with them and rent them places and give them jobs.

    We need to speak to these poor bajans in the villages who don’t have access to the internet – tell them about the deceitful racist ways of the indo guyanese and what is going to happen to their future if they encourage them.

    Go to the rum shops,the block,on the basketball court,in the hairdressing salon,at UWI.

    We need to educate our people who would not hear this discussion on the radio or have access to the internet.

    Our future is at stake.

    For example tell these bajans if they see these guyanese or any other illegals come in and staying a long time call the immigration annoymously – if they are straight – well they don’t have anything to worry about.

    Out of Curiousity – what about the union and this white lady at Great Escape Hotel?

    I am very suspicious about the union – because I feel they are not working hard enough for bajan workers and are not speaking out enough on this issue – just a lotta long talk.

    Curiousity,I hope you know that thomas harris is peter harris’ brother – peter harris who is friend with owen arthur and david thompson – they exhibit typical indian behaviour – try to wriggle in their way with persons of influence.

    Any way I think David thompson is smarter than that – and will not interfere with the work of immigration for any illegal guyanese.

    I have a feeling he understands how important this isssue is to bajans.

    However curiousity you need to write freundel staurt – A ttorney General – for good measure.

    Please keep us posted of your results.


  50. Negroman
    You see why I stop discussing the indo-guyanese thing? It hurts when my people don’t know anything about the indo-guyanese culture and always defending them. The old people always said “hardears ,you won’t hear; hardears you would feel. I’ve stop talking and I am acting on my preparation for alternative “b”. I too took note of the amount of guyanese on Spring Garden but that didn’t surprise or bother me. I am beyond that now. My heart bleeds for this country Barbados.

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