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Father’s Day has come and gone and consensus in the BU household is that the sentiment felt continues to lag what prevails Mother’s Day. We are certain that the socialization which occurs between the ‘sexes’ creates a unique dynamic which was meant to be. A mother’s role embodies the attribute of procreation which is responsible for that maternal instinct which is the glue that has molded our families through the ages and by extension Barbados. Despite the ingenuity of man this is a reality which cannot be created on demand. The father has historically assumed the role as head of the family unit, regrettably for many the role in recent times has been reduced to being titular.

The rise of the woman to take a partnership role in the family unit has been overdue. Unfortunately the trade-off has been to create a learning curve as modern society wrestles with the harmonizing of the new roles ‘sexes’ must play. The ‘commodization’ of relationships has seen the dumbing down of the role of family in modern society. It is ironic that our message of lament concerning the fall of the family coincides with the recent ruling in the California Court which has allowed same sex marriages. If the ruling is overturned in November 2008 is left to be seen.

They are many who plot the moral slide in Barbados with the decreasing influence of the Church. We are not sure if our friend Peter Wickham has any quantitative studies which can support this position. Many will offer a rebuttal by highlighting the Catholic Church which has been responsible for suppressing information concerning sexual molestation and homosexual behaviour.

We are told the patriarch of the BU household has done a good job. The importance of a father or male substitute is very important in the household. Far too many children have had to grow-up in a single parent household and consequently have not benefited from the richness in upbringing which the traditional family offers. We can only speculate how many single parent (female) children may have had the realization of their potential retarded. For the record we should say that this blog in no way disregards the effort of many single parents who by forced circumstance had to step-up to the plate. We anticipate the old-fashion label being tossed around by some members of the BU family :-).

We have total respect for the roles of the father (male) and mother (female). Same sex marriages will erode the institution of marriage and with it the family unit as we know it. Is this what we want?


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157 responses to “Male + Female = Father + Mother”


  1. You came to a conclusion that you have not supported in your preceding diatribe! You could have simply said that one of your greatest fears was the idea of same sex marriages. Period!


  2. @me we are not in a Court of Law, we have expressed our opinion which is consistent with our previous blogs. You are free to express your disagreement of course.

  3. Livinginbarbados Avatar
    Livinginbarbados

    I don’t sense a true balance in your arguments. As a conclusion, you could also say/have said that high rates of divorce erode the institution of marriage and the once traditional family unit. You mention absentee fathers but should you not lament that as a bigger threat to the family unit than same sex marriages/relations? For the Caribbean in general or Barbados in particular (if you want to keep the discussion narrow), are high rates of teenage pregnancies/childbirth outside of wedlock, not a greater threat to marriages/family units?


  4. I have a better headline:
    BU + Social commentary = Medieval attitudes.
    Come on BU, you are obviously intelligent and your political commentary is spot on but when it comes to demonising gays (or Guyanese for that matter), you’re well into the 12th century. What can possibly be wrong with two people who love each other forming a legal partnership ? How can it possibly break down society ? If you paid half the attention to real moral decline (child abuse and wife beating come to mind as does increasing materialism and the rise of ‘bashment’ culture) that you do to the bogus ‘danger’ of gays, you would have more credibility. Come back to the 21st century guys…


  5. Lol, the continual demonization of gays and the use of the excuse that some how they are responsible for the breakdown of traditional vaules, ( family structire, marriage as an institution etc etc) is quite pathetic and in my opinion not worthy of any opinion piece in a ‘serious’ article or blog that purports to be capable of intellectual discussion.

    1.Are gays responsible for the village ram mentality?
    2. Are gays responsible for teenage pregnancy?
    3. Are gays responsible for the ACCEPTED Bajan value of keeping a wife in the big house and having a mistress on the side?
    4.Are they responsible for fatherless boys?
    5.Are they responsible for the high rate of heterosexual divorce?

    FYI like I have said so many times before… homosexuals were here before you came , they are here now and they will be here when you dead and gone.

    And there are homosexuals who have been in committed relationships all this time too… no amount of bellyaching will stop that.


  6. BU, why are you scared of the legality of same sex marriages in one state in the US where you do not live ? And why do you clumsily try to tack on your disfavour of these unions to single parent homes? It just does not follow. Just say that you do not like the idea of same sex unions. That, along with your clear homophobia, should at least be logical. The irrational rant above is not.


  7. No homosexuality should be allowed in Barbados
    none !

    homosexuality is an abomination. peter ram noted in the song woman by my side year before and got some stick for it.

    the logical conclusion to homosexuality is extinction of the species. how can one support such an unnatural activity

    this is not an old fashion view, its a view supported by the need to maintain and sustain the species. the almighty will speak on this matter. remember the logical conclusion to homosexuality is extinction of the species

    homosexuality is wrong wrong wrong. face it people it is not something to be encouraged.

    for people who have hormonal imbalances, medical science is advanced enough to correct the situation. why can you take male hormones if you are a female or female hormones if you are a male? should you not take the appropriate hormone ?

    there is no excuse for homosexuality -none!
    sex for pleasure is a no no

    sex is for the procreation of the species. the pleasure part of it is to make sure that the activity and that the species is maintained. as usual it has been distorted for all kinds of reasons by a lot ignorant people.

    sex should not be overdone or abused. it should not be used as a weapon. sex is between man and woman in a relationship that is allowed by the culture of the land. anything else is bare sh..e literally and figuratively

    homosexuality for the most part is a choice by individuals to participate in deviant behaviour, they get hooked on the act and then used arguments to justify the nastiness—alternative life style etc-
    nastiness is what it is

    get real people and denounce homosexuality
    help the homos and b..lers to change their ways. some have changed over the years so it can be done.

    why would a man want to be a woman and vice-versa–it is crazy–no excuse for it==trust me i know what i am talking about


  8. Robot “why would a man want to be a woman and vice-versa–it is crazy–no excuse for it==trust me i know what i am talking about”

    LOLLOLOLOL: You say so little yet you write so much. I guess yiou expcet us to trust you robotically since you know what you are talking about LOL


  9. There is nothing wrong with two men or two women in a loving relationship and there is no evidence that this harms children and harms society.

    I predict that consensual anal sex will be legalised (it is already essentially decriminalised) in 2009, and we will have gay civil unions by 2010. Barbados will lead the Caribbean in this regard (although Cuba may beat us to it) and we will be held as a model of tolerance and understanding.


  10. Bajanboy, r u discreetly, trying to tell us something, personal?


  11. As of June 21, 2008 the world population was estimated at 6,704,845,726 – hardly a need of concern for the human species becoming extinct as noted by ROBOT. Perhaps ROBOT’S comments that homosexuality is a “choice” is a reflection on his past. As for the disintigration of the family – that has been happening for some tme now. We are all too busy making money in this materialistic world.


  12. I think it highly unlikely that same sex marriage will be legalized anytime soon in Barbados or, for that matter, in the Caribbean.
    As a number of posters have already stated, more emphasis needs to be placed on the problems of male/female unions in Barbados and I don’t mean under the auspices of marriage which far too many Bajans seem to shun.
    Of far more serious concern, is the number of children born in Barbados through random couplings and women having too many children with no father in the picture to support those children financially or give them the emotional and moral guidance that a stable family home, with a mother and father, provides.
    At the risk of taking some heat, I must state that this problem of irresponsible “breeding” is endemic in black culture and not only in the Caribbean. Young girls feel it is a badge of honour, a show of “womanliness” to have a child at 15-16 years of age with no hope of the father playing a part in the raising of that child. Young boys do what horny young boys will do without ever having to pay the concequences and this, for the most part, is accepted by black culture.
    Birth control has evolved to the point where there is no excuse for “accidents” but birth control, for the most part, is shunned as being against “nature” by these folks who have children willy nilly without any thought to the quality of life these children will have.
    If Barbados wants to have a successful and productive society with citizens who enjoy a good quality of life, the issue of sex education in the schools and providing free birth control must be addressed, sooner than later.


  13. bull sh..t , pure crap -yuh talking

    bajan boy.

    my past ? lizard ?—past about what ???

    6,704,845,726 – hardly a need of concern for the human species ——

    it would not take long for these numbers to be extinct

    trust me i know what i am talking about !!!


  14. So everyone in the world will become homosexual and render the species extinct by your reasoning, Robot? Did the Bible predict this too?

  15. Devils Advocate Avatar
    Devils Advocate

    We have total respect for the roles of the father (male) and mother (female).
    Same sex marriages will erode the institution of marriage and with it the family unit as we know it. Is this what we want?
    ————————————————————
    Why father (male) and mother (female)?
    Don’t we have fathers who ‘mother’ children and mothers who ‘father’ children?
    Is the family unit (as we know it) mother, father & children? or is it normally mother+ absent father & children.

    How will same sex marriages erode the institution of marriage when very few heterosexuals are getting married or staying married?

    Why do we heterosexuals assume that we are more moral than homosexuals because we have sex the ‘normal’ way?
    ‘Normal’ sex is used with great irresponsibility and causes all kind os moral dilemmas leading to unwanted pregnancy or abortion.
    Gays are fighting for a right that heterosexuals take for granted and abuse. I wonder if heterosexuals would be fighting as hard as gays for the right to marry if that right was not already freely theirs?


  16. Well ROBOT perhaps we need to become extinct and just maybe the next species to dominate the world wil be better stewards to the planet and more tolerant of others. You know there is a school of thought that those who are most homophobic are uncomfortable with their own sexuality. Me thinks thou dost protest too much….

  17. ARCHIE BREK DEM UP Avatar
    ARCHIE BREK DEM UP

    BULLING IS NOT SEX


  18. lol but Trunking in a minibus apparently is…! LOL


  19. Homosexuality, Biblically, logically, emotionally, and socially, is not in any way good or productive for any civilized people.

    Almighty God, created Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve!

    The ‘Homosexual’ agenda is devious, wicked, and evil; and is built on a foundation of lies, deception, and factual disinformation, it is in fact a manifesto for sexual ‘terrorism’ against marriage, (one man and one woman), family, and the Church.

    I want to make it abundantly clear, I DO not hate homosexuals, nor do I fear them as people.
    What I do fear, is the terrible judgment that will fall from Almighty God on the them, for their perverse, chosen life styles, and the ultimate judgment upon any Governments that sanction this Abomination, which will have devastating consequences upon the society that upholds such practices, by legislation.

    The book, ‘The Homosexual Agenda” by Alan Sears & Craig Osten, is a masterpiece of documentation, exposing the principle threat to religious freedom today, in America.

    This is no joking matter, anyone who really wants to defend our religious, historic, Judeo/Christian heritage, and by extension all of the benefits that arise therefrom, and want to truly understand this sinister agenda, which is gaining momentum worldwide, need to urgently get a copy of this book.

    This book is courageously but compassionately written, dealing with the facts of the homosexual agenda in the USA, which will have an affect upon us here in the Caribbean.


  20. What about the FUNDAMENTALIST AGENDA. I am much more scared of that in that history has taught us that religion fiercely defended and selectively interpreted has been the cause of the most destruction in the world.

    Why would I need a book written by a fundamentalist ( MAN) with a narrow minded viewpoint to determine how I see the world?

    Unlike some people I was not born yesterday!


  21. LOL” threat to religious freedom” or threat to exposing the practice of making intelligent people into SHEEP!


  22. Facts are stubborn things, and only the stubborn refuse to accept them!

    Fundamentalism! Do you really understand what that term means?

    Religion is ‘man’ seeking to find God, a futile waste of time, I detest ‘religion’ Christianity, in its purest sense, is a personal relationship with JESUS CHRIST, who ‘ALONE’ has, and can set the ‘Sinner’ free from all of the bondage that besets him/her, be it adultry, fornication, homosexuality, hatred, materialism, humanisn, etc, etc., it has absolutely nothing to do with, RACE, class, nor creed, as SIN and ignorance has NO colour, class nor creed!

    ‘Reason is necessary for revelation (knowlege) to be coherent’ Are you willing to reason? If you are, then I challenge you to be intellectually honest, and get the ‘BOOK’ read it carefully, then make an honest judgment on this issue.

    Stop hiding behind empty rehtoric!


  23. Facts are stubborn things ( Agreed an it is a fact that homosexuals are human)

    and only the stubborn refuse to accept them! ( Agreed!)

    Christianity, in its purest sense, is a personal relationship with JESUS CHRIST, who ‘ALONE’ has, and can set the ‘Sinner’ free from all of the bondage that besets him/her, be it adultry, fornication, homosexuality, hatred, materialism, humanisn, etc, etc ( It is also a fact that CHRISTIANITY in its purest sense is a religion like any other religion, dont be so stubborn by denying that this is so)

    ‘Reason is necessary for revelation (knowlege) to be coherent’ Are you willing to reason? ( Yes, I think I am being quite reasonable with you here)

    If you are, then I challenge you to be intellectually honest( where have I been dishonest???), and get the ‘BOOK’ read it carefully ( The BIBLE or Homosexual Agenda ???), then make an honest judgment on this issue. ( I have read both and my honest assessment is that fundamentalism is very dangerous in that it encourages reasonable people to become sheep and be by false shepherds. I also conclude that religious fundamentalists are homophobic , bigotted fanatics that demonise other HUMAN BEINGS and use not propoganda to scare people and whip up hatred!)

    Stop hiding behind empty rehtoric! ( I will if you will, you go first!)

  24. Inquiring Housewife Avatar
    Inquiring Housewife

    I am loath to comment on this but here goes. I have no basic problem with homosexuals in society, people exercising choice. my problem comes when these individuals knowingly going against the norms of society expect society to change to accommodate them.

    We live in a society of laws enacted for the heterosexuals relationships. if u decide that this is not for you and become a homosexual then u deal do not force us to deal with you. exist in your world and leave the basic moral fiber of the normal society alone.

    there is no study to say that a boy being raised by two men will be hetero and not homos. what does dad say when he brings home a girl or rather when he shows no interest in girls since his exposure has not been one of a man and woman relationship. You have basically taken away all choice from this child. is dad going to say okay date girls, and what girls parents will feel good knowing their precious little girl is dating a young man whose parents are two men. what of the grandchildren if by some miracle this young man is hetero? will these kids be confused or what?

    this question of same sex marriages goes way beyond the two persons getting married its tenticle are far reaching. Let them do their thing in the bedroom and where ever but dont force it down the throat of the rest of us. And leave the children out of it.

    It takes a man and a woman to make a child. don’t divorce your self from the fact of this normal relationship, only to accept the fruits from it. A child.


  25. I do not believe that same sex marriages will be legalised anytime soon in Barbados. Whatever two persons whether male or female do behind closed doors is their business as long as it is not forced on me. Homosexualitiy is not going to stop anytime soon so the Barbadian society has got to learn to be tolerant. Do you want a situation like Jamaica where gays are openly and physically attacked because of their lifestyle?


  26. “Once marriage is redefined for same sex partners, it opens the Pandora’s box to be redefined for any assortment of individuals. After all, if two men or two women have the right to be married, why not two men and three women, or two men, one women, and a dog and a chimpanzee?” (The Homosexual Agenda, p.94).

    The Homosexual agenda, have subtly crafted their plot and plan, under the guise of ‘human rights’ a sinister emasculation of ‘Truth’ thereby reducing all traditional moral truth and values, to nothing more than, a value ‘neutral’ value ‘free’ concept of how society should function. It simply breeds utter contempt for ‘Truth’ which by definition is ABSOLUTE, regardless of who denies that this is emphatically so.

    This is a blatant recipe for the demise and destruction of any society. As George W. Dent Jr, says, writing in the Journal of Law and Politics, “…that once same-sex marriage is affirmed, then other forms of ‘marriage’ will quickly be affirmed as well, such as POLYGAMY, ENDOGAMY (the marriage of blood relatives), BESTIALITY, and child marriage.14. ” Ibid., p.94) emphasis added.

    Again, “As one observer of the homosexual movement has warned, ‘Gay activists are sexual Marxists. Legitimizing same-sex unions is a signpost, that limit or channel the exercise of human sexuality.” As the author goes on to point out. “It actually seems that the more radical the homosexual activists, the more blatantly honest they are of their goals. They do not necessarily want marriage so they can take advantage of its benefits. They want marriage so they can take a wrecking ball to the institution itself.”

    “For example, homosexual activist William Eskridge, says that he hopes gay marriage ‘will dethrone the traditional family based upon bloood relationships in favor of families we choose. The most subversive action lesbians and gay men can undertake….is to transform the notion of ‘family’ entirely, this means marriage will be no better than anonymous SODOMY in a bathhouse.” (Ibid., p. 96) emphasis added.

    No wonder that Almighty God, in His Word, so severly condemns such unnatural behaviour and practices, here Him. ” Therefore God also gave them (lesbians & Gay) up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves. Who exchanged the truth of God for a LIE, and worshipped and served the creature (men & women) rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever, Amen. For this reason God gave them up to VILE PASSION. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature (Lesbianism). Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the women, BURNED in their lust for one another, (Gays) men with men committing what is SHAMFUL, and receiving in themselves the penality of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a DEBASED MIND, to do those things which are not fitting, being filled with all UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, SEXUAL IMMORALITY, WICKEDNESS, COVETOUSNESS, MALICIOUSNESS, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindness, backbitters…knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same BUT approve of those who practice them, Professing themselves to be wise, they became FOOLS.” (Romans. 1: 22-24-32) emphasis added.

    This is just scratching the surface of this ‘evil’ can anyone with an once of ‘moral’ fiber and conscience, deny the reality of thus utterly debased ‘life-style’ and what they are seeking to ‘impose’ on society? Talk about ‘intolerance’ who are the intolerant ones, and their real agenda. Light and darkness cannot ‘mix’ TRUTH, God’s Truth, is absolute, no matter who denies it, it will eat you out, from within!


  27. Carlos…do me a favour. Allow me to not believe everything you say and to have my own ability to reason. Allow me also to not be a christian without the fire and brimstone rhetoric. I could care less about heaven and hell! OKAY!


  28. I am loath to comment on this but here goes. I have no basic problem with homosexuals in society, people exercising choice.
    ( Here is my first problem (with your response) in that you start your premise that homosexuals make a choice to be homosexuals. This is not true. Homosexuals might make a choice to have sex or not but that does not stop them from being homosexual)
    my problem comes when these individuals knowingly going against the norms of society expect society to change to accommodate them. (two points here 1. Norms are continually changing AND in most acses the CHANGES are accommodated. 2. If you are born left handed are you going against the norms because you want to be treated like right handed people???)

    We live in a society of laws enacted for the heterosexuals relationships. if u decide that this is not for you and become a homosexual then u deal do not force us to deal with you. ( provide veidence that it is a choice PLEASE) exist in your world and leave the basic moral fiber of the normal society alone ( last time I checked there was only ONE WORLD).

    there is no study to say that a boy being raised by two men will be hetero and not homos. ( SO why be so scared ) what does dad say when he brings home a girl or rather when he shows no interest in girls since his exposure has not been one of a man and woman relationship

    (How does one become heterosexual …let me guess you watch your father beating your mother or you watch hetrosexual porn or is it something you eat??? help me here!).

    You have basically taken away all choice from this child. is dad going to say okay date girls, and what girls parents will feel good knowing their precious little girl is dating a young man whose parents are two men.( LOL do gays want to convert everyone is that waht you are saying?…) what of the grandchildren if by some miracle this young man is hetero? will these kids be confused or what?( Do the research its out there, check sites on child psychological and social development, also check sexual orientation, gender roles and so on)

    this question of same sex marriages goes way beyond the two persons getting married its tenticle are far reaching. Let them do their thing in the bedroom and where ever but dont force it down the throat of the rest of us. And leave the children out of it. ( Well if it was possible to keep children in a vacumn sealed environment devoid of people you do not like that just might work)

    It takes a man and a woman to make a child. don’t divorce your self from the fact of this normal relationship, only to accept the fruits from it. A child. ( what is normal ?, are there any unwanted orphans in the world? Are all heterosexaul parents
    great parents? because you made the child are you automatically fit to parent it and is the opposite automatically not fit? Tell the child care board this so that they can correct all the errors they made by putting children in foster care etc)

    Reading is so important! Pick up a book ( or a few )


  29. pure crap is how i would describe the above post

    there is no justification for homosexism (new term)

    if you are articulate enough , you can argue anything

    -does not make it right though !


  30. Yes, “Me-me” Almighty God has given to all and sundry, the ability to ‘reason’ BUT, sadly, mankind, in his/her estranged, alienated, condition, outside of a personal, redeemed, realtionship with the Lord Jesus Christ, is unable to discern ‘Spiritual’ truth and reality.

    As ‘His’ Word states again, “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction” (Prov. 1:7). “For scorners delight in their scorning (of truth) And FOOLS hate knowledge.” (Prov. 22:1b) emphasis added.

    No matter how much you deny and scoff at God’s Word, the absolute ‘Truth’ and reality of it, will ultimately judge your eternal destiny, Heaven, or Hell, the choice is yours!!

    “Have I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the TRUTH?” (Gal. 4:16).


  31. “if you are articulate enough , you can argue anything”

    And if you are ignorant or foolish enough you can believe anything!


  32. My question has always been if the homosexuals cannot marry each other, then whom should they marry then?

    I don’t see any long lines of heterosexuals anxiously waiting to marry homosexuals.

    Homosexuality: we born and find it and we will surely die and leave it.


  33. Dear Anonymous:

    1. In spite of birth control there will be accidents. I know women who are nurses and doctors who have had “accidents” and not all of them are young black women.

    2. Birth control is ALREADY available free or at very low cost through polyclinics and the Family Planning Association, and this has been so since the 1960’s. I am not sure under which rock you have been living for the past 40 or more years.

    3. Barbados’ fertility rate is ALREADY one of the lowest in the WORLD.

    4. Barbados’ fertility rate is ALREADY lower than the fertility rate of the U.K, the U.S. or Canada, and a good number of countries in the EU, and this has been so for 25 years or more.

    5. Barbados’ fertility rate is the lowest in the Western Hemisphere.

    6. So can you tell me where you get the data which shows that shows that young black Barbadian women are irresponsible “breeders?”

    7. Do your research. Get your facts right. Or stop telling the whole world LIES about young black Barbadian women.


  34. Carlos – What a yahoo! Religion is merely a crutch to numb the brain, something akin to alcohol or drugs. Why don’t you try looking deep inside your own self and see if you can’t find love for your fellow man and woman. But if you don’t love your own self how could I expect you to love others?


  35. Robot
    supports and endorses the Carlos’ comments
    —————————————
    people who support homosexuality are making excuses for this despicable act, an act that should not be discouraged. nobody is born a homosexual -that is rubbish–it is CHOICE for man to lie with man and woman to lie with woman. no argument can convince me otherwise

    the logical conclusion to homosexuality is extinction of the species. why should we engage in homosexuality.

    modern man needs to be taught. we are not teaching people how to live .
    i think the state needs to legislate

    homosexuality should be outlawed —

    i am very comfortable with my sexuality by the way—– -how do you know my gender ?

    when are we going to stop supporting acts of wrong doing. self improvement should be the goal of every individual and even if we have faults we should move towards improving our
    lives.

    we need proper guidance and healing.

    everything seems to have gone contrary–

    there is a school of thought that AIDS started from a mutation of sperm an some other vermin in the anus of men .

    bulling as referred to above is a nasty stinking act that should not be encouraged.
    –ditto –for wicking—

    ‘men want to be women and women want to be men’

    how utterly disgusting and yuh telling we that we should accept that crap

    bun fire pun all batty bwoy !!!!

    trust me i know what i am talking about !!


  36. OK – Next topic, this is becoming boring as s…e.


  37. “bulling as referred to above is a nasty stinking act that should not be encouraged.
    –ditto –for wicking—

    ‘men want to be women and women want to be men’

    how utterly disgusting and yuh telling we that we should accept that crap

    bun fire pun all batty bwoy !!!!

    trust me i know what i am talking about !!”

    I cant add nothing to that. Im afraid I dont speak your language. I come in peace !


  38. Homosexuality might lead to extinction of the species, so too might abstinence, sterility and onanism, no?


  39. Duppy Lizard! Your name suits you to the ground, yes, a real ‘Duppy Lizard!

    What’s your crutch? Obviously ignorance, stupidity, and folly! Its better to remain silent, than to open your mouth, and be found a fool.

    “But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant”
    (I Cor. 14:38) So be it, ‘Duppy Lizard!”


  40. ‘Me’ As you say, ‘And if you are ignorant or foolish enough you can believe anything”

    What a confirmation ‘you’ are to this reality, and blaringly and blatantly so!


  41. lol

    Carlos so far you ahve not said anything of worth in this discussion.

    I am not a christian

    I am an atheist

    I am a bajan

    I have brain

    I read

    I have lived all over the world and I travel a lot even now.

    I came to my opinion about homosexulaity / human rights via a life of seeking knowledeg ( AND GETTING TO KNOW PEOPLE THAT ARE DIFFERNET FROM ME ) and not just accepting things like you apparently do…

    I have no interst i your heaven however i am very concerned about the here abd now aand it bothers me when people like you aspire to make things hard for people ( human beings ) who are part of this divers world!


  42. Atheism, philosophically and logically, is utterly untenable! Why? Because, in order to say, ‘There is no God’ one would have to be God in the first place, that is, be Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent, in order to ‘know’ and fill the entire Universe, so, Atheism is an absurdity.

    The evidence of an Omnipotent Creator, is all around us in the natural ‘order’ of everything that exist, the Fossil record, confirms this over and over again, why so? Because every fossil thus found so far, appears abruptly, that is, FULLY FORMED, thus giving lie to the ‘nonsense’ of Darwinian evolution, and confirming with the preponderance of evidence, exactly what God’s Word, the Bible, states in Genesis, that Almight God created everything, kind by kind, no evolution here at all.


  43. Carlos …do you understand that I have a right to disagree with you and a right to NOT BE CHRISTIAN. And therefore to rejcet totally your views on homosexuality amongst many other things.

    If you do not understand that basic concept then nothing I say will make any sense to you AND it would make no sense for you to address me and my kind ( atheists) any further!

    FYI the world is not only made up of christians!


  44. “Me” and “Duppy Lizard” – You’re in a very sorry state.

    Unfortunately for you, and very much so, Carlos is correct in this matter.

    You should really make an effort to learn something from him.

    Hate mentioning it, but this matter requires it – I can clearly see that I have more brains than you two combined being a Barbados scholar of a few decades ago.

    No matter how much brains we have (or don’t have) – God’s word can never be refuted.

    I’ve proved that for myself even as a Science scholar.


  45. Hate mentioning it, but this matter requires it – I can clearly see that I have more brains than you two combined being a Barbados scholar of a few decades ago.
    —————————————————————-
    I was looking for a suitable word to describe ABE……….pompous, arrogant, conceited………was it really necessary to gloat to others about you ‘decades’ old scholarship?
    I put it to you that the modern equivalent would make you too look as dumb as those you try to dismiss.
    The problem with you ‘believers’, is that you cant see anything other than what you have been brought up to believe.
    Why if someone questions your belief, or have a different view, must people like you be so dismissive without so much as an answer?


  46. And I mean a real thought provoking answer…not a quote from a bible passage.


  47. Technician // June 28, 2008 at 9:19 am

    And I mean a real thought provoking answer…not a quote from a bible passage.

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    So, what’s so mendacious about the bible!!!! If we all abided by it we would live much longer and happier lives!!!! 🙂


  48. Carlos, I believe you to be a bible believing and following person. Therfore I expect that I will see that you lead a public campaign that the instructions of Deuteronomy 22:21-24 be upheld in our law. I think the situations described there are more commonplace than homosexuality.


  49. “Me” Have I said, or indicated that you don’t have the right of choice to disagree with my Christian world-view? Most certainly not, this is not my contention at all, for our Creator, Almighty God has given to us the right to ‘choose’ LIFE, or DEATH, Righteousness or unrighteousness, the choice is ours, either Heaven OR Hell!

    The point you are missing, or have willfuly chosen to deny, and its your CHOICE, is the premise for my argument, (world view) is based upon sound, reasonable, logical evidential FACTS, that lead to valid conclusions.

    As I stated before, ‘Truth, by definition is absolute.” Those of us who claim that TRUTH does not vary from person to person, group to group, accept absolute truth, also called objective truth. On this view, people discover truth, they do not create it, and a claim is made TRUE or FALSE in some way or other by reality itself, totally independent of whether the claim is accepted by anyone. Moreover, an absolute truth conforms to three fundamenta ‘Laws of Logic’ which are themselves, ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

    Down through the ages people have asked the same question that Pilate asked Jesus! What is truth? What exactly is it.

    The Christian world view, as well as its rivals, essentially contain claims about reality, which are either TRUE or FALSE. Moreover, competing truth claims, especially those at the core of competing worldviews, often have different consequences for life. As C.S. Lweis put it. “We are now getting to the point at which different beliefs about the universe lead to different behaviour. Religion involves a series of statements about facts, which must either be TRUE or FALSE. If they are true, one set of conclusions will follow about the right sailing of the human fleet, if they are FALSE, quite a diffrent set.”

    This notion of truth employed by Lewis’s statement is called the correspondence theory of truth, roughly, the idea that truth is a matter of a proposition (belief, thought, statement, representation) corresponding to reality; TRUTH obtains when reality is the way a proposition represents it to be.

    LAWS OF LOGIC

    The three fundamental principles in the laws of logic, are themselves absolute truths, and are universal, regardless of culture, race, creed, or ethnicity.

    1) The Law of Identity
    2) The Law of Non-Contradiction
    3) The Law of Excluded Middle/

    Therefore, assessing ‘World Views’ i.e., Atheism, Islam, Humanism, Christianity, etc, etc., bears out the utterly fundamental grounding of logic for thinking about TRUTH, and world views. These logical laws point us toward truth.

    Without these logical laws, no rational thought would be possible. To reject these basic logical laws, one would have to utilize these very laws to reject them. As G.K. Chesterton writes:

    “The man who begins to think without proper first principles goes mad; he begins to think at the wrong end.

    As Gordon Clark, says” “Anyone who disparages or belittles logic must use logic in his attack, thus undercutting his own argument

    The Historic Judeo/Christian
    Worldview.

    This world view essentially contains claims about reality, which are either TRUE or FALSE.

    Therefore, any world view, must be subjected to, and must sustain (3) test in order to be considered valid.

    1) Logical Consistency
    2) Empirical Adequacy
    3) Experiential Relevancy

    The only religious ‘World View’ that meet and sustain all three of these, is the Historic, Orthodox, Christian World View.

    Secondly, and inricately connected to the obove criteria for validity, every system must also demonstrate and deal with the following questions.

    1) Origin
    2) Meaning
    3) Morality
    4) Destiny

    Again, the theistic Christian World View, is the ONLY one that convinciningly demonstrate and sustain the above questions, unparalleled with any other religious world view.

    As The Lord Jesus Christ said: “If you continue in My Word, then ye are My disciples indeed, And ye shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free.” (John. 8:31b-32). Emphasis added.

    The foregoing is not intended to impose on your right to disagree with its premise and conclusion; but simply to consider the valid logical reasons why TRUTH, is absolute regardless of whosoever chooses to disagree.


  50. Carlos, you are amazing! How can one write so much and still say nothing? Must be a gift.

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