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norman-fariaAt the risk of being subjected to the abuse of being called racist we have decided to continue with our analysis of the open door immigration policy which Barbados has been practicing in recent years. The new government has just acceded to office and we have no idea if we will see a departure from the earlier policy. We remain adamant that the high influx of illegal immigrants into Barbados is cause for concern. We have additional concerns at the high number of those illegal immigrants who are Indo-Guyanese. We remain firm in our view that there are case studies in the form of Trinidad and Guyana which should warn Barbadians that we need to ‘manage’ our burgeoning multi-ethnic population.

We have written several articles which have expressed our concerns. It seems however that the tipping point on this volatile issue occurred on January 31, 2008 when we published an excerpt from the writing of Dr. Kean Gibson – UWI lecturer titled, Indian Racism Against Afro Guyanese In Guyana. Since then the comments have been flowing and have clearly illustrated that the issue of race relations should be placed at the centre of government policy. We are sending a message to Prime Minister David Thompson that Barbados needs to be proactive from now on this matter. Please take decisions to ensure that the stable climate which Barbados has enjoyed over its post-colonial existence continues.

Some comments posted on BU have been pushing the boundary but we feel it is important Barbadians and others try to understand that this is an issue which needs to be confronted. We understand the emotionalism which this issue continues to evoke but as a people we need to move past this point if racial harmony is to be achieved. In the spirit of fair play we have published a letter written by The Honorary Consulate of the Republic of Guyana, Norman Faria which was sent to the Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) last year; it addressed concerns arising from the program Book Talk which was aired last year. By coincidence Dr. Kean Gibson was a panelist on the program.

Read Norman Faria’s letter which he emailed to BU tonight…

29 November 2007
Mr.Claude Graham
General manager
Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
The Pine, St.Michael, Barbados

SUBJECT: CBC-TV GIVING PLATFORM FOR HATEFUL RHETORIC

Dear Mr.Graham:

The Honorary Consulate of the Republic of Guyana in Barbados presents its compliments and wishes to refer to the above subject matter. Sometime this year, or maybe last year, your station broadcast a discussion on the book “The Cycle of Racial Oppression in Guyana” by Kean Gibson during a programme called “Book Talk” . The panel composed of the book’s author and Robert “Bobby” Clarke and David Commissiong. The programme was re-broadcast this year. The exact dates for both screenings may be obtained from the station’s log. The consulate, representing the government and people of Guyana, expresses its disappointment and condemns the showings of these programmes, giving as it does a platform for the peddling of inflammatory falsehoods and other hateful rhetoric which will only serve to incite hatred and tension among ill informed and impressionable minded viewers and cause difficulties for the ongoing cordial and otherwise friendly relations between the peoples of Barbados and Guyana, some of the latter’s nationals choosing to come and live or work on a contract basis in the island.

Gibson’s thesis, as she outlined in her presentations on the programme, basically alleges that people of East Indian descent in Guyana, particularly now there is an “Indian” government as she contends, will mean trouble and oppression for Guyanese of African descent. She blatantly said Africans are being targeted and murdered in Guyana, or words to that effect, among other falsehoods, in said programme. Her exact words may be checked by perusing the programme in your library.The whole thrust of her presentations directly or inferentially portrayed Indo- Guyanese and the present administration as being bent on oppressing and discriminating against Afro-Guyanese. Gibson presented no scholarly evidence of these allegations. There is none. Indeed, Gibson’s book has no scholarly basis and was rejected by a number of publishing houses to which it was submitted. As established by serious and reputable analysts (See for example “Rebuttal to Kean Gibson” http:www.guyanajournal.com/gibson_rebuttal_2.html) the book is riddled with subjective, irrational, personal and false views. On that level alone, the Consulate asks why should it have been deemed worthy of discussion in an otherwise interesting and worthwhile programme such as Book Talk ?

Barbadian law prohibits the public stirring up of racial hatred and other inflammatory views to create discord among races. Yet here we have a person being given a platform by a government run TV station to air and give succour to what may be justifiably interpreted as just those illegal and undesirable practices. It has nothing to do with “freedom of speech”. The fact that the two gentlemen were invited to offer a rebuttal is of no consequence. They made some good points, especially Mr.Clark, though I would have offered other information with a different emphasis. Strangely, the Consulate, which is the premiere source for services and knowledge about the Guyana government’s programmes and philosophy, was not invited to send a resource person. Further, since it would have been known by the programme’s organisers that Gibson frequently refers to Hindu religious theology and practices in her allegations, no one from the two Hindu temples in Barbados were apparently invited.

Those proffering inflammatory views and falsehoods when it comes to a racial situation should not be given a platform. They have no freedom of speech. When I worked and studied in Toronto in the 1970s, I joined with the campaign to try and prevent the (late) racist William Shockley from giving a talk at Convocation Hall at the University of Toronto. I marched in a demonstration outside the Hall. It will be recalled that Dr. Shockley’s theory is that people of African descent are genetically inferior to whites. Further, I fully support the correct stand of those who in recent days protested against the prestigious Oxford Student Union at Oxford University in the UK in allowing the convicted Holocaust denier David Irving as well as Nick Griffin, a leader of the far right (British) National Front Party, which among other neo-fascist stances, calls for the deportation of people of colour including those from Guyana and the Caribbean region from the UK.

I was also disappointed in the way the Book Talk host’s handled the programme. Instead of simply permitting the participants to present views in an orderly and reasonably time frame, he came across as being a panelist himself and appeared to be arguing at some times against the submissions of Clarke and Commissiong. He appeared to be prompting Gibson to offer other information , though of course no one is saying this otherwise excellent host in other programmes and displaying professional and tolerant views in other public areas of endeavour was supporting said Gibson’s views. Gibson “hogged” the show. She had a disproportionate amount of time to peddle her hateful rhetoric. She should never have been on the show or the book discussed.

I know you personally as general manager would not be responsible for the invitations sent out for the said Book Talk or any other programme on the station.. I further commend you for, as far as I know, initiating the really excellent programmes about Caribbean immigrants in the UK aired on CBC -TV and which you so ably presented. I trust that you will look into the airings of the said Book Talk programme. The delay in writing to you about this matter is regretted but unavoidable due to other commitments.

Accept Sir, the assurances of my highest consideration.

Respectfully Yours,

NORMAN R. FARIA
(Guyana’s Honorary Consul in Barbados)

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149 responses to “Norman Faria (Guyana's Honorary Consul) Responds To Indo-Guyanese Debate”


  1. FreeBajan // February 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Thanks for all the responses.

    I just feel, and thats what all these posts are – just feelings, that the Guyanese are our neighbours and close historical cousins. I agree that in an island as small as Barbados we need checks that will put a halt to illegal migration.

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    I am compel to tell you, that at all times you should recognize reality and in addition to your feelings, that you should also process the world with your beliefs, with your facts and with your understanding of the ideas that gave birth to the same facts. Reality and our recall to reason will undoubtedly and unbiasly lead us to conclude that uncheck illegal and even llegal immigration can have negative social and economical implications Barbados.

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    FreeBajan // February 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm
    However, the argument seems to be a scaremongering operation, for us to be wary of a particular racial set. I do not accept this!

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    How so Freebee how so? we have highlighted what pertains in Guyana, what has been the approach of Indo-Guyanese Leaders as they relate to racial harmony in Guyana, we are only reporting their actions. Please don’t make us responsible for this.
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    FreeBajan // February 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm
    Steady on Adrian Hinds – regurgitating what feels good? I suspect its what we all do – unless you were born educated and opinionated?

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    …Sorry you came away with this immpression I merely sought to deal with your use of the word xenophobic only. I think it is heavy handed and an attempt to win the argument without presenting a solid argument yourself. If you haven’t realize it as yet i am the least qualified person to attack a person’s education or intelligence, having little myself. 😀

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    FreeBajan // February 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm
    I know that many Barbadians have family trees that lead back to Guyana – that is evidence surely of our cultural connection.

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    Indeed this is the case, and on a personal level their may be some truth to the joke that Sam Hinds and i are relatives given the known fact that my father was a frequent visitor to the islands and Guyana. If i have half sisters in Barbados and i do, it is not a stretch to think that i have them in other islands and Guyana as well. 😀 This does not however change my view on illegal immigration in particular the current concern in Barbados.

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    FreeBajan // February 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm
    In the UK, it is only the National Front who terms xenophobia as “wishy washy”. It means what it says – and very much revolves around fear.
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    The national Front does not have automy on dismissing that word. A word cannot mean anything on it’s own without Human interpretation, and that is where it fails when it is press into use by persons who it seems have the wish to silence as their primary reason for envoking it. Even when it’s interpretation is given it must then be place against the action it’s utterer is intending to defined by it, and this again is where it falls down.
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    FreeBajan // February 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm
    What about the wonderful work done by skilled Guyanese (Indo and otherwise) in our fair land? They have improved the quality of food by a mile if you ask me!

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    Why should this matter? One should not get into the habit of rewarding lawbreakers no matter what they do after the fact.

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    FreeBajan // February 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm
    ’m a regionalist – what is the point of this CSME initiative, if we’re suspicious and fearful of eachother?! We were so disappointed in the Jamaicans for jumping ship from the Federation for fear of weaker nations pulling them down – yet we seem to be creating barriers between us and our “failed state” of a neighbour. It probably speaks to why we have not properly exploited the connection to our benefit – Guyana could be our bread basket now that we can’t afford to feed ourselves.

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    Being a regionalist should not deny you the ability to indentify significant problems with the integration process and from seeking to resolve them. Ignoring them is not the way. I think that Edward Seaga’s view on why the Federation fail is the same reason why CSME is not being embrace by the caribbean people, is fundamentally correct. The top down approah did not work then and it will not work now.

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    FreeBajan // February 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm
    I thought that Barbados was “friend to all and satellite of none”?

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    Sure it is, but are we not also allowed to define what “friends” means to us? It certainly cannot mean opening our Borders to every illegal Tom, dick, and Harry.


  2. Aubrey said: Many of the Afro-Guyanese I have met, claim Bajan roots so there must have been B,dos-to-Guyana immigration.

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    This is correct. This started during slavery as “Barbados was one the distribution points forf slaves from West Africa. slavery was abolished in 1836.

    After 1850 many Barbadians left for Guyana to work in sugar, gold and the civil service. The first police force established by the British was mostly staffed by over 400 Barbadian recruits…

    The first two Guyanese presidents – Burnham and Hoyte had Barbadian roots. Many in the middle classes lawyers, doctors and teachers could trace their Barbadian roots. Most of these people no longer live in Guyana due to the political/economic situation there.

    Check the archives in Barbados and you will find that there was a lot of trade and movement of people in the colonial times as the English masters looked on their territories in an integrated way moving capital and labour and expertise between them.

    the Indian immigration after 1840 was to counter the labour demands by blacks, and has created some of the problems in Guyana and Trinidad. This, added to cultural, religious differences, aided by “race politics” , has created the problems we now see.

    The shootings in Guyana are just a continuation of the “insurrection” that started in 2001, with the escapees from the jail. Over 1100 people have died in this carnage since 2000.

    There is a political-drugs- government-racial connection in all of this that seems to be in the “black marginalisation debate” that is now going on in Guyana.

    Analyst


  3. We all seem to be straying from the real issues.I don’t think it is that Bajans hate Guyanese.I think it has a lot more to do with us being concerned about the illegal ones here.
    Lets face it, with the kind of brutality going on there, it is obvious we will be concerned.
    The most wanted man that may be responsible for those murders has said he has his people here.
    Have anyone seen the rise in criminal activity by non-nationals recently.
    My good friend was robbed and beaten on Saturday morning, while he had stopped to check a noise coming from the wheel of his car.He was kicked, beaten and stabbed by a broken beer bottle.
    In all the melee, he picked up on the non-national accent of his attackers.
    How else do you expect us as Bajans to react?
    I have friends who are non-nationals and they are ashamed at what some of their fellow countrymen are doing here.
    Maybe it is time to be drastic and have some immigration raids just like drug raids.
    If you papers are in order, then you dont have to worry.
    Whatever the authorities do, it must be done fast because this situation is getting out of hand.
    I cant help thinking that a wanted murderer can be so bold as to say he has his people here….well that just has me uneasy.


  4. We have received several emails which continue to create sadness in the BU household. We don’t mind being call names; what we mind is the ignorance which ‘intelligent’ Barbadians are showing about this issue. We have been calling for a curb to the open door policy of immigration and the large immigrant Indo-Indian population. We have created context for our argument to illustrate how if this situation remains as is, Barbados could easily import the criminal behaviour which is currently being played out in Guyana and Trinidad, and can be used as case studies for observing Blacks and Indians co-existing.

    ALL WE HAVE ASKED IS FOR BETTER MANAGEMENT OF THE SITUATION.

    We remember well the same approach being used to manage the public service vehicles, illegal vending, and law and order with a focus on traffic violations. It is routine for people to be seen running red lights today; Barbadians now accept it as the norm.

    The high order ignorance which Barbadians at home and abroad continue to direct at this issue is amazing. The stupid argument that Barbadians were accepted by Guyana is so irrelevant that it makes us fume each and every time we hear it.


  5. David dont be deterred. Most of those emails probably from a particular ethnic group or non nationals. Barbados better wake and smell the coffee. While we argue illegals arriving by the plane load. Trinidad recently deported two plane loads of Guyanese. A rising Indo- Guyanese population here spells bare trouble.


  6. David Forward these emails to me so that i can respond to them and include them on my email list of all things Guyanese. 😀

    Adrian

    Here is a copy of one such email:

    Please do not send another me another email.

    Although I do find this type of jabber both comical and at moments entertaining it is not helpful, progressive, useful or meaningful.

    Please make your cause one that helps people and not one that incites racism, hatred and stupidity.

    Andrew


  7. I am overly concern that sooner or later barbados will be over run by Guyanese Indian. There will become the majority and we will be in the minority. Look at what happened in Fiji. lok at the turmoil and confusion between the Blacks and the Indians in Trinidad and Guyana. Do we want this to happen in Bim. Hell no. Our late Prime Minister Errol Barrow once said. ” If we are not careful, one morning we are going to wake up and fine that we do not own Barbados”. Looks like it is coming to past.


  8. Dear David,

    You like to repeat “We have been calling for a curb to the open door policy of immigration and the large immigrant Indo-Indian population.”

    I assume what you meant to say on this occassion was the “large” illegal immigrant Indo-Indian population. (I am not sure what Indo-Indian means exactly but I can guess.)

    But three things prove that in fact what you are about is just inciting racial hatred.

    First, you have no idea of the nature of your problem: how large is illegal immigration in Barbados and what proportion are “Indian” versus black? Do you know? Is it all Indians that scare you David or just Hindus or Muslims or Roman Catholics or Indians from Guyana or Indians from Gujurat? What proportion of the illegal immigrants are the particular Indians that scare you? Any idea at all?

    And what is the problem? What is the statistical evidence of crime and social breakdown in Barbados caused by these Indians that you fear. The wealth of evidence on social matters elsewhere is that immigrant populations, legal and illegal, have less crime, are more family oriented and more focused on education for their children than the locals. What social behaviour is it that you fear that is being brought in by the same Indians that you fear? Do you fear that they work harder?

    You say look at Trinidad and Guyana. And if crime is lower and social cohesion stronger in the Indian communities in those countries what would that prove? But this is just another straw man. Barbados is not Guyana or Trinidad or Fiji. It does not have a colonial history which made these populations of race fairly even in size. Its like saying the Brits should kick out all blacks in Britain, or the Germans should kick out all the Turks to make sure that they don’t take over.

    And if all you are trying to do is to curb the “open door immigration policy” why don’t you make a single proposal so that we can progress the discussion. Just one. Tell us how you are going to determine who you let in and who you don’t? But no, you would rather just let the racists have their say over and over and over again.

    You say you are just being a realist. That’s exactly what Enoch Powell said in the UK with his “rivers of blood” speech about how whites and blacks could not co-exist in Britain. He was wrong. But his speech launched the National Front that for decades beat up blacks and other immigrants. You ignore all data and evidence to the contrary to spread a cancer that we reject everywhere else.


  9. Oh, and all those people who say in that racist cliche that one day we are going to wake up and find the country run by Guyanese Indians, clearly have not woken up to the fact that this country has never been owned by blacks.

    It continues, for far longer than it should, to be owned by the same small minority. I can assure you that this minority is not Indo-Guyanese. Have a look at the names on the share register of BS&T.

    And when I look around at how content most of our people are to let things just be I think our best bet to shake up this plantocracy, or at least make them better at running the shop, is to set some hungry immigrants upon them.

    When it comes to distribution of power and wealth in this coutry, it is not the Indo-Guyanese that are eating our lunch.


  10. Thomas Gresham … Why do you not go back to sleep… you are ab educated idiot!


  11. Guyana is not a failed state, but a state of mind that not a single one of you is able to comprehend. To know Guyana is to love Guyana and Guyanese, but unfortunately, you all stuck in the plantocracy (Thom Gresham said that) of Barbados. Some of you going to our newspapers and reading stupidness by some crazy University of Guyana Turkeyen campus professor, then coming here and repeating it like if it’s the Gospels. I wonder if you all know that quite a few Black appearing Guyanese have East Indian in them, and vice versa. You know a good 20% of all Guyanese are mixed with Black, East Indian, Chinese or white. So I wonder how you feel about those Guyanese. Well we have 30,000 illegal Brazilians in Guyana and it is high time we start sending them home before they take over our country, as I am unable to learn another European language at my tender age. And as you know they are largely Roman Catholic with Obeah in it, so out goes my Pentecostal Holiness Christian religion.


  12. Linden is a city in Guyana and the crime rate there is very low.


  13. My goodness, Guyanese Indians don’t have money to buy Barbados, now Adrian Loveridge and his types do. Look one Guyana dollar and one US cent, so how our Indians will buy your country. You mean Sir Allen Stanford will buy your country or the man that owns British Virgin Airways, or Simone Cowell, the only way Guyanese will buy your country is if you want to barter some tamarind balls, some sugar cake, some salt fish cakes and such.


  14. On behalf of the BU household, we extend our heartfelt sympathy to the families affected in yesterday’s brutal killings in Guyana, the second incident in recent weeks. It makes us as a small island realize even more how vulnerable we are. It could easily happen in Barbados if we are not vigilant and mange our affairs with all eyes opened.


  15. Guyana has a dear friend in the great nation of Trinidad and Tobago. Trinidad and Tobago have offered to assist us during this time of crisis. Trinidad and Tobago have always been there for Guyana. For example we have one scheduled airline serving our country and that is the national airline of Trinidad and Tobago, the world class Caribbean Airlines which is also the national airline of Guyana. Trinidad and Tobago has given us oil, and they have forgiven debts, and their companies operate in Guyana, Republic Bank Guyana, T. Geddes Grant, Royal Castle, Colonial Life, Neal & Massey, Ainlim, and so on. So you see we have our dear friend Trinidad and Tobago. We don’t need others.


  16. So you see we have our dear friend Trinidad and Tobago. We don’t need others.
    ”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””’
    Sister baby this is good news. Please share this information with your fellow Guyanese who are fleeing to Barbados. That way they will stop in at your dear friend and leave our sweet little island in peace.


  17. I read Mr. Thoms Gresham’s piece on the Bajan authorities deporting his Guyanese maid because she had overstayed her visa, and the subsequent poor treatment by Guyanese authorities upon her returnto Guyana. I think these illegals that are embarassing our country deserve poor treatment, and better yet should be placed in labour camps for causing our country to become the laughing stock of the world. we need workers to build up Guyana. Guyana rarely deports people, and I think the illegals into Barbados from Guyana think that the same is true in other countries, so they just break other countries laws.


  18. Hi Wait, On a a serious note Trinidad has always dealt gently with Guyana. There are thousands so them in T&T. They say Port-of-Spain is like New York City. So I think it might be the tall buildings that attract them. You have taller buildings than Guyana too, so that could be it. Oh I wonder if they want to meet white poeple. I know Guyanese masterly love white people, o I am wondering if they are coming to meet the white tourists. You see this is my simple Guyanese analysis of the problem.


  19. “The Big Payback”

    Norman Faria is an incessant whiner, so I find him very annoying, but he’s right on point. These pseudo-academics are very tiring. Burnham and his negrocrats destroyed that country and “marginalized” (whatever that means) the coolies. The coolies are now returning the favor. That’s life; get over it!


  20. The destruction of Guyana began with Jagan and his communist ways. Indians prospered under Burnham in Guyana, but they could never fully support him as they also wanted to please Jagan.


  21. Norman Faria should be asked why he is in Barbados, for we ceratinly don’t need a honourary councel there.


  22. See Press Release from Faria the Guyana Consul in Barbados. Please note we did not edit or run spell check.

    NEWS RELEASE (For immediate release)

    Guyana Honorary Consulate
    #19 Pearl Drive
    Eden terrace, St.Michael, Barbados
    18 February 2008

    CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS WILL BE CRUSHED”

    “GAINS AND ACHIEVEMENTS OF GUYANESE PEOPLE MUST BE DEFENDED”—GUYANA
    CONSUL.

    The criminals and terrorists who carried out yet another massacre in Guyana will not succeed in their aims to destabilise the country and try to undermine the unprecedented gains and achievements benefitting all Guyanese, says the local Guyanese Consul. In a statement, Honorary Consul Norman Faria condemned what he termed the “horrific and barbaric” loss of life of thirteen people including three policemen at a station and five labourers made to lie on the ground and shot in the head. It happened last Sunday night in the town of Bartica, a jumping off town to the interior mining areas and about 70 miles south west of the capital Georgetown on the banks of the Essequibo River. “Guyana is still a stable country. Investors are still coming in and tourists visiting. All decent and democratic minded Guyanese and peoples everywhere condemn this horrific and barbaric loss of life by a bunch of
    terrorists and criminals.They are atempting to destabilise Guyana and undermine the unprecedented political and socio-economic gains and achievements of the Guyanese people of all races brought about by a working peoples and patriotic business people government. Such attempts are doomed to failure. These evil doers must, and will be, crushed, ” he said.
    The Consulate in Barbados assured Guyanese and others watching the situation that the disciplined forces (the army and police) , which have received unparallelled amounts of equipment and training in recent years from the government, are doing all it can to root out those bent on evil. Those criminals and terrorists who fail to obey the directives of the
    forces including calls to surrender will, as he put it, “suffer the appropiate consequences”. He dimissed any calls for “talks” with the criminals and terrorists as naive. Faria insisted all democratic minded people worldwide and certainly the Guyanese government which was elected in free and fair elections , must be “firm” with such criminal and terrorist elements, and would not be intimidated..
    He dismissed views that there is a social dimension and reason for the violence. “Guyanese since the elections in 1992 has had documented increases in social and economic benefits benefitting Guyanese of all races and religions. Political opportunists and other misguided backers and acolytes of these terrorists and criminals may refer to so called
    disenfranchisment and discrimination , but they offer no evidence. There is none. Guyanese governance institutions are also one of the most advanced and democratic in the world,” he said. Consul Faria deplored the “ill thought out and poorly researched” observations of at least one radio talk show host on the Brass Tacks programme here who urged Barbados to import fruits and and vegetables from Dominica only because of the alleged “instability” in Guyana. Further, the Consul commended the messages of condolence from Barbadians
    and Guyanese here about the killings..

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    Totally Democratic

    Mr. Faria needs to face reality….and stop his burrrying his head in the sand..


  24. As far as memory serves, Guyanese were coming to Barbados from time immemorial. Many Barbadians emigrated there too during the early years prior to its independence when it was then British Guiana.

    To get to the point, Bajans don’t hate Guyanese as Norman Faria and his sympathisers would wish others to believe. It is all about large numbers of people hiding from immigration authorities and doing jobs for lower than normal wages.

    What right-thinking bajans are concerned about is: if the system is allowed to overheat, there will come a time where the entire ship will explode. Should we wait for that mishap to occur when we can introduce measures to properly regulate all persons coming to these shores; not just Guyanese, otherwise these fields and hills will definitely be beyond recall.

    Notwithstanding all the hype from Norman Faria about xenophobia in bajans, he still chooses to live here. If we are so bad, why doesn’t he go back to his beloved land? No one is stopping him from making the trip.


  25. Norman Faria has a Bajan connection just like Rihanna has a Guyanese conenction. He also has an East Indian wife. You think he will leave the good life in Barbados for a place like Guyana. That man is not stupid.


  26. Anonymous you have me dying with laugh hahahahhaha


  27. Eureka, Norman Faria can’t make the trip to Guyana because LIAT will leave his luggage at BGI, and the things he is used to in BGI are not available in Guyana. Barbados will not become like Guyana, all the people want to do is come and do a little maid work and catch glimpes of you all rich and famous tourists, like Simon Cowell, Paul Mc Carthey, and evenDr. Ikael Tefari, and say Hi to Dr. Esther Sookoo, seh is we girl you know. Duh is it. What you think we will do, split the BLP in half with Mia Mottley as leader of the Guyanese side of the party.


  28. Sister Baby // February 21, 2008 at 6:55 am

    Eureka, Norman Faria can’t make the trip to Guyana because LIAT will leave his luggage at BGI, and the things he is used to in BGI are not available in Guyana. Barbados will not become like Guyana, all the people want to do is come and do a little maid work and catch glimpes of you all rich and famous tourists, like Simon Cowell, Paul Mc Carthey, and evenDr. Ikael Tefari, and say Hi to Dr. Esther Sookoo, seh is we girl you know. Duh is it. What you think we will do, split the BLP in half with Mia Mottley as leader of the Guyanese side of the party.
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    Mia was in Guyana in a canoe, I am surprise de dam thing floated in the first place and did capsize after she was able squeeze herself into it. :d

    Is it only me or is Mia’s voice interchangeable with David Simmons and when she slims down she like just like him? ummmm


  29. Adrian, Thank you but I saw that video last year from Captain Jerry’s Roraima Air website. But I enjoyed viewing it again. Man look leave deh gyal alone. The girl looked lovely touring a lovely country. Happy Mashramani. Happy weekend. In fact she looked relaxed in the pristine country side of the lovely country. She has a following in Guyana you know. Bye


  30. For a long time I was fed up with Norman Faria all the time trying to make this country seem as if we are some heartless bruts who dont like guyanaese. When a plane load of them came here without passports, money and no place of abode he condem immigrations actions of sending them back to Guyana… Now my question is .. Can they show up in the good ole USA and do that!!! NO … HELL NO…

    Then we had the Prime Minister of Guyana condemming Barbados… translation?? We poor and facing issues out hey and wuhhah Bajans send we back home????

    How in the name of all that is good can guyana expect to continue to allow so many of their people to leave and go to other islands and expect those island to feel totally welcomed to a host of immigratants who are mostly illegal.???

    Worldwide the issue of migration is addressed however in this rock we are not suppose to say anything..

    Since Barbados is primarly made up of a Black population with whites and other ethicities, see the influx of so many indian decendents leaves one to wonder if there is a racial shift… however, given that many indian dedendants have show a dislike towards blacks in guyana leaves one to wonder exactly why and what they love to come to this country for.


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  32. It is interesting to note that in today’s Trinidad Guardian – Saturday 1st March,there is an article which states that 5 illegal guyanese among a total of 15 illegal persons were held in Port of Spain and are to be deported.

    These raids and deportations of guyanese and other south americans and africans have been happening recently with some frequency in Trinidad.

    Is Trinidad xenophobic too ?

    Secondly did anyone note that the Police PRO Barry Hunte stated in his press release yesterday that someone was held for the recent robberies and that someone is a Barbadian.

    Interesting that he spelt that out – I hope this trend will continue and that they will always tell us the nationalities of all criminals.

  33. Thomas Gresham Avatar
    Thomas Gresham

    Dear Annonymous,

    Let me try and spell it out in simple terms.

    NO ONE has argued that deporting illegal immigrants is xenophobic or racist.

    What we have said is that targeting Indo-Guyanese amongst illegal immigrants, and describing all Indo-Guyanese with negative characteristics and arguing that they are inherent, is racist.

    Reading this blog you would think that Indo-Guyanese are the perpetrators of crime, not victims of crime. You would think that Immigrants do not work hard and save hard. You would think all Indians are cast-ridden hindus who believe that blacks are the bottom of all castes, when many Indians are Muslim and most hindus no longer believe in caste and caste is not inherent.

    Suggesting that Indo-Guyanese immigrants are somehow linked to a rise in violence and a tearing of our social fabric, without any substantiation (the evidence elsewhere is that immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, stay away from crime for fear of deportation) is akin to the arguments used byEnoch Powell against Black West Indian immigrants.

    What we have said is that not putting sufficient weight on the benefits that immigrants (legal and illegal, skilled and unskilled) provide, especially when we are faced with high cost of living (immigration lowers it) slow growth (immigration speeds it up) and a rigid distribution of wealth (immigration shakes that up) is xenophobic.

    Your arguments have been shot down as racist. Dont try and play innocent.


  34. The only reason there is this anti Indo Guyanese sentiment is because one Adrian Hinds dated an Indo Guyanese girl in America. Her Babu went to America and told her to break it off with him as he probably drove the family crazy with love for this girl as he is driving us crazy with his hate for Indo Guyanese. His hate runs so deep that he seeks to influence an entire nation of 300,000 nice citizens to disallow Indo Guyanese immigration. I am Indo Guyanese and I would NEVER visit Barbados.


  35. Thank you bharat devi for not coming to Barbados,because this will help us save taxpayers money from having to deport you for committing crime or your women prostituting themselves.

    Your cousins and their family will soon be returning to your lovely crime riddled country under the much admired racist against blacks regime – of President Jagdeo.

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.


  36. Jyoti Bharat Devi that is what the tourist like when they visit Barbados, so no Jyoti Bharat-Guyana Devi, no tourists. According to one Adrian Hinds as is written above by Indian Goddess the Phupha of the devi went over to America and rescued his bhanji from the grips of one Adrian Hinds. Uncle knew that he would not be a good nephew in law, so uncle broke the relationship off, and the rest is history. He is going around saying all sorts of bad things about Bharat Guyanese, and will stop at nothing until he dies. As babu once said, true love never dies once the person is living. He really likes Indo Guyanese and we know it.

    Anon, So if we are bad rubbish then in Barbados there is good rubbish. Only in Barbados WHEW! President Jagdeo is a good man and he is not racist. You just have to love yoru country enought to love your/my President, but unfortunately you can only love a president of your own kind. For you it’s apaan jhaat forever. Namaste


  37. Indian are intrinsically racist.Indo-Guyanese have those traits.We Barbadians must be aware of the myriad of problems that could and will occur if this high influx of Indo-Guyanese is allow to continue on abated.We just have to observe the happenings in Trinidad and Guyana to understand the point I am trying to make.If this trend continues the racial tension that existing in Guyana & Trinidad will be here in Barbados also.Indo-Guyanese do not like Black Guyanese.If they do not like Black Guyanese will they like Black Barbadians? We are transplanting a racist problem that existing in TRinidad & Guyana into Barbados.
    Indian as a result of there selfish nature contribute to destruction of economies.They do not realy spend money.They horde money and as such affects economies.As a result of this action Government revenue suffers VATtaxes usually are not adequate enough to provide the essential services and maintain social services and infrastructure.That is one of the reason why Trinidad and Guyana two of the Caribbean richest states with an abundance of natural resources are lacking in development.Blame it on the selfish Indians that make up a significant portion of those populations.
    Indo-Guyanese are bidding there time in Barbados.As soon as the Indians have the numbers and financial resources we Blacks in Barbados will be in for the same treatment our unfortunate brothers & sisters are enduring In Trinidad & Guayna in particular.
    Black Barbadians wake up.
    We must also recognise that Indians business people in Barbados who control some of the bigger businesses in Barbados recognise those Indo-Guyanese as there Kith & Kin.Measures are in place by those business people to allow them to remain to help build up the Indian polulation and that will spell trouble for us Black Barbadians.Case in point Royal Shop Affair.that is the first test.Bridgetown will look like Geargetown faily soon with the replacement of Black Barbadian workers with Indo-guyanese workers.
    Black Barbados Beware!

  38. RANDY BRIDGEMAN Avatar
    RANDY BRIDGEMAN

    If Guyana had its act together, Indians or even Blacks would not be flooding little old Barbados. Guyana has the natural resources to easily be the breadbasket of the Caribbean.

    For all of its independent life, Guyana has been mismanaged by both Africans and Indians. As a result, the vast interior with its potentially great wealth, has been largely neglected. While the two groups fuss, fight and kill each other, the infrastrucure-never sturdy to begin with- crumbles.

    From my reading of Guyana’s history, only one person since independence in ’66 possessed the ability to unite that fragmented country, but he was killed. His name? Walter Rodney. All the leaders since independence have engaged in race-centered politics to the detriment of that potentially great country.

    What Guyana needs desperately in terms of leadership is a man, yes a man, who is first and foremost, Godly, then honest, decent, fair, intelligent, a servant of his nation, a man who puts his people before himself or his party. Someone who is able to unite the Guyanese people into one family. A true statesman. Such a man obviously must constantly exhibit Godly love. Does such a man exist in Guyana today? Your guess is as good as mine. For the sake of the Guyanese people, I pray one does indeed exist and emerges quite soon.

    Until Guyana is fixed up, all their refugees should head to T & T. After all, if the Trinis are so nice and welcoming, wouldn’t that be the logical place to go? Also, the Trinis have much oil from which great revenues are derived. T & T is a better fit for Guyanese than is li’l, resourced-starved B’dos.

    The Bible says that GOD appoints people to their lands. Put simply, the country in which you were born has been loaned to you until departure time (death). If you care to share it with a non-national, there’s no problem. But you should not be forced to share if that’s not your desire. Once you let in a foreigner, the Bible also says you must not mistreat them.

    So the ultimate solution to Guyana’s refugee problem rests with the Guyanese people. In my view, Guyanese should stay at home, help to open up the interior, build new towns and cities and seek to provide a decent standard of living for everyone.

    Their people who live overseas and who possess various talents and skills, ought to be encouraged to return to the land of their birth to assist in this national effort of construction and consolidation. This country needs many people with a pioneer spirit/attitude.

    If the Guyanese people are able to unite and pull of the national endeavor previously mentioned led by a visionary President, their people wouldn’t have to put up with abuse in another man’s country.

    I’m out. Blessings to all.


  39. I am not a racist or am I xenophobic. I am a proud barbadian looking to work and live the Bajan dream and I am appalled by these people who dismiss the concerns of workers in Barbados. Why is a bajan carpenter racist or xenophobic because he is looking for a fair compensation for a job done? Why cannot certain people accept that we in Barbados have some good workers? Why try to potray bajans as late lazy and lousy workers? Why is it wrong to say that bajans have to clean up ater bad work done by non nationals? There are not only indian workers here. I see black workers often that are not bajans. Why can I not get an assurance that the immigrant workers here are legal and that the country does not have too many living here and causing problems in the system. I am all for persons seeking opportunity but come on lets have a system.


  40. David/BU Family

    Did you listen to Down to Brasstacks today?

    This is what we have come to David,Norman Faria an immigrant in our country demanding that our radio station VOB cut off all callers who speak out against the influx and the impact of guyanese in Barbados.

    I wonder when bajans will realise that Peter Wickham’s agenda runs counter to the vast majority of bajans,and they will never get any support from him on that issue.

    It was so painful and humiliating to hear how bajan callers were treated by him.

    It was clear that he thought that the caller from England was going to support him ,but seemed taken aback when he realised the UK caller was saying the same thing that the bloggers on BU have been saying.

    That indians donot like and integrate with blacks – as evidenced in Britain and other places over the world.

    We ain’t see nothing yet peoples.

    I suggest every one who is concerned about the immigration problem and the DLP’s position on it,should call their M.P. and ask him or her what the government intend to do about these large illegal persons in our country.

    Let them know how you feel,because from all appearances you soon might not be able to voice your opinions on the call in shows.


  41. No we did not hear the program today. We will try to catch the late show. Many people underestimated BU and BFP in the lead up to the last general election when we acted as a barometer for public opinion.

    On this open door and illegal immigration business it will no different.


  42. ha ha ha ha This Devi person like them suffering from an overdose of curry and dal. 😀 I have never dated anyone in America, I came to the US a single man, with a Bajan girl friend back in Bim, I went into the army and on my first leave, went straight back to Bim to marry the same BAJAN GIRL from my village. 😀


  43. Peter Wickham is clearly out of his depth on this immigration issue. He brings very little to the table other than the dishonest indelogy of liberal progressives. His anger and impatience with those who disagree with him is the standard attittudes of most liberals. Their dependence on studies, and statistics are usually easily undone by the reality of things around us. Be caution if you think that religion, particularly christianity makes harsh demands of it’s followers, liberal secularism of the kind that makes the Wickhams of this world “Gods” are much worst, and filled with dispointment. 😀


  44. Devi you have not responded to this, from a previous thread.

    Adrian Hinds // March 7, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Bharat Devi: The lady came to Barbados as a pre-teen girl. She couldn’t have fashioned her cultural behaviours on her own, they were learnt from the adults around her in Guyana. On coming to Barbados and going to school here, is where she learnt that her previously learnt behaviour is not a good thing. It was not on account of meeting me. I am going to take it that you deliberately misunderstood what i was saying so that you could have a point to discuss.

    I have given lots of thought to the visible racial divide in Guyana, and i have concluded that by the passage of time it has now become a culture of racial division, into it’s second generation. However it is not for me to ponder on it, I don’t live there and cannot be reasonably expected to provide insights into possible solutions. This is for the Guyana people, in particularly those who fear that the mixing of the races will dilute their identity and culture. It is a known fact that Afro males don’t have much hing-ups about inter- racial relationships, can the same be said about Indo-Guyanese men?


  45. Peter Wickham is not a Barbadian but a Trinidadian.Therefore his views on Non nationals in Barbados is not surprising.We provided him with a decent standard of living and this is the thanks we are receiving for our generosity.
    I believe Peter Wickham should be censor and the callers to Brass Tack on VOB should demand his removal from the program.It was indeed painfu as a black barbdian to listen to Peter Wickham insult and ridicule Barbadians for voicing a concern that is a serious problem to us.
    The high influx of Indo-Guyanese with ther racist behavior is going to destroy the harmony,peace and tolerant that all Barbadians have come to accept.
    Peter Wickham you are a researcher.I will like you to investigate and tell Barbados how many higly educated guyanese are benefiting from CSME initiative.How Many of the highly skilled Caribbean nationals are taking up the oppurtunities of CSME?
    We are attracting the semi-skilled,unskilled and uneducated caribbean nationals especially the illeterate indo-guyanese.
    Can Barbados develop with a high influx of non productive immigrants who have little or no education,little skill and generally are nuisances?Iwill answer NO
    Finnaly Peter Wickham in your research I also want you to indentify any succesful and progressive countries where indians are the dominant race.I will tell you the is none .Indians destroy countries.Barbados is heading that road.
    I hope other Barbadians will join me in my attempt to get you off the Brass Tack programm on VOB.Go and live in Guyana among those racist indo-guyanese and see if you will enjoy it
    You joker.l


  46. Negroman

    A correction.Peter wickham is barbadian.

    Tonight I heard portions of the ‘tell it like it is’ programme and again bajans were treated to some of the same harsh dismissive behaviour when again they complained about the guyanese,although you get the sense that matthew farley was being devil’s advocate.

    What is more frightening is the continued attitude of the producer who seems determine to stifle any dissenting views against guyanese.


  47. Vic Fernades has Guyanese blood?

    The point which the moderators on the talk shows keep missing is there has been uncontrolled immigration practiced in Barbados. Nobody cam tell Barbadians how many illegal immigrants are in Barbados and how it is expected to impact our economy. more importantly nobody is planning at how the mix of ethnicity will affect the social dynamics.


  48. Yes he does David,and I suspect so does michael brown or he either has a guyanese woman or man.

    I fear for my country and what this supression of bajans complaints against guyanese will eventually do to the citizens who feel strongly about the issue.


  49. I really don’t care who has Guyanese or indian or pig blood in them for that matter. I care that we cannot have an open airport seaport system. I am concerned that our services such as edcation health care could be affected by excess use. I am concerned that my boyfriend who is in construction cannot get the jobs that non nationals do. I am concerned that when one makes a statement like the last one that some who should know better says that bajans don’t want to work or bajans are not talented. I am concerned that by constantly ignoring the issue is causing resentment which can eventually lead to serious problems. I am concerned that as a Bajan I am not allowed to speak about things that bother me without someone saying I am being ignorant and xenophobic. I am concerned that criminals in Guyana can say that their people in Bim would let him know if his girfriend was here. I am concerned that the previous Government’s position was that the PM had Guyanese working at his house so the issue is a non issue. I am concerned that the present government seems nto be slow in addressing this problem. I don’t grudge a fella for following opportunity. I welcome legal law abiding non nationals but please someone tell me how many legal and illegal people can this island hold.


  50. Peter Wickham has Trinidadian connections,however that is not a a major issue.I am concern with his alternative views on everything including homosexuality.Peter Wickham hogs the Brass Tack call in program and he wants to ram his views down the throat of callers,and I reiterate that he should be put off the programm.
    Anonymous & David I am angry that we Bajans cannot express our views on issues confronting us. I believe the time has come where we must take this issue a step further.We must let our parlaimentarians know that we need a position on this new government view on this matter of illegal immigrants and our immmigration policy.This government was elected to serve the interest of we Barbadians.This is a burning issue that affecting many Barbadians.It appears that this government is going to take a similar role to the last administration took on this issue.Iam prepare not to allow that to happen.We demand a position on the issue and we need it now.
    If this government is not prepare to deal with the issue we Barbadians will look for a government that will be prepare to have the courage and guts to deal with this vexing issue.Even if we must vote for a third political party.
    This issue cannot be allow to continue with the people in authority not having the decency to respond to the numerous demands for the numbers of non-nationals living & working in Barbados be known.If we do not get answers I believe protest marches and such like should be organise to let the authorities know that we Barbadians need action to be taken on this issue.

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