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INFORMED CONSENT AND THE TRANSMISSION OF PATHOGENS VIA COMMON CUP FOR HOLY COMMUNION

INTRODUCTION

Reference the Bishop’s Pastoral Letter for Easter 2024 wherein his Lordship stated that he has reintroduced the Common Communion Cup after the cessation of the Covid-19 Pandemic. This has materialized, but it was done without canvassing the opinion of the Anglican congregation as though they are passive actors, who have no say in a matter that affects them, somewhat like sheep before the sharer. I have noted the same with a measure of consternation and distress that the Church had arrogated to itself the right, moral or otherwise to impose on the congregants in a ‘magisterium’ fashion the reintroduction of the Common Communion Cup. The same position was reiterated in the Charge to Synod on Sunday May 19, 2024. I have found this to be amazing. 

The said Pastoral Letter of the Lord Bishop was published in the Churches on Sunday April 28, 2024, and which took effect on May 5, 2024, his Lordship by ‘Episcopal Proclamation’ reinstated (imposed) the common practice of distributing Holy Communion using a Common Communion Cup (Chalice) without providing any detailed explanation sufficient for the congregants to make an informed decision and without first seeking their consent on the matter. The congregants are not sheep, they are real people who can make their own informed choice(s) on any given matter, especially one that is as personal as sipping communion wine from a Common Communion Cup.

I have taken the liberty to express my dissenting opinion on the matter and I do so with humility and filial piety. I have shared this dissenting opinion with the holy pecking episcopal order of the Church. The desired objective is to state a pellucidly clear position on the matter and to aid congregants in their understanding of the same. I believe that I am now at liberty to share this dissenting opinion with all and sundry. Mind you, this is only my opinion, and I bear in mind that ‘the officious by-stander’ may very well dismiss it by saying: “You are entitled to your opinion however absurd it may be”. And so, it is. I am also well aware that in another age a dissenting opinion of this sort would have earned me a place on the stake. But this is a democratic republic based on the rule of law.

THE THEOLOGICAL POSITION

I had listened sedulously to the delivery of the Synod’s Charge wherein it was competently(?) reiterated and reaffirmed that the reintroduction of the Common Communion Cup in all the congregations will be implemented. The theological teaching behind the use of the Common Communion Cup, is the leitmotif which is frequently repeated in the church’s doctrinal dogma, is that it symbolizes the Church’s “Oneness” in unity with Christ, the Paschal Lamb. This symbolism is prima facie supported by Scripture (the cup is referred to in the singular in Matthew 26, Mark 14, and Luke 22); this dunks us back into the past in search of the truth.

The use of the Common Communion Cup is an ancient Christian practice to share the blessed wine which is symbolical of Jesus’ blood of the New Covenant. This is a practice that is loaded with deep theological and biblical meaning, but the methodology for communicating is doubtful. The practice as it now stands in the current state of gnosis is not sacrosanct and set apart, free from rational scientific knowledge, reasonable theological knowledge, and ethical criticism, contrary to the bishop’s assurance “I wish to assure you that our Lord and science are both on our side …” sounds hollow. 

Therefore, I am of the considered opinion that the Common Communion Cup should not have been so hastily reintroduced without consultation and discussion with the congregations. The practice of the use of the Common Communion Cup was vacated during the Covid-19 Pandemic for fear of contamination by pathogens moving from the lips of one person to another. This reprieve gave the congregations the opportunity for deep reflection on the relevance of it to worship and spiritual wellbeing. 

The theological rationale and scientific explanation and ramification of the use of the Common Communion Cup should have been explained to the congregations, so that they may make an informed choice whether they wish to suffer the reintroduction. It is not a one-man’s unilateral decision or that of the chosen few in the holy pecking ecclesiastical order.

A failure to consult the congregations is tantamount to a species of ecclesiastical mal administration or hybris. Leadership in the magisterium style in the past has failed miserably to evoke good Christian behavior and it is bound to fail in the present and the future. What in my opinion was required is consultation with the congregations to garner their opinion whether to opt-out or to opt-in. The fact is that receiving communion from a common cup is very personal regardless of its religious symbolism. 

It is an established scientific fact that pathogens are present in the saliva of all of us, even those who are in a healthy condition, albeit that the quantum is negligible and would not cause a disease outbreak, they are nonetheless disease organisms which people should decide whether they wish to have them introduce into their bodies through the use of the Common Communion Cup, bearing in mind that the bodies of each of us is inviolable.

The non-consensual, unwarranted introduction of pathogens in the saliva into the mouth of another person, however negligible, (an assault?) is in the lease socially offensive and worse it is done when the person or the other person or both are ignorant of it happening when several persons are sipping from one Common Communion Cup.

In the Catholic Church as long ago as the 13th century the precious blood of Christ was not distributed to the congregation for fear of spillage which apparently occurred frequently (Catholics generally do not use communion cups because they offer communion without wine or use intinction). However, there is an even more potent reason why Anglicans should refrain from distributing the precious blood (symbolic) in a common cup – the avoidance of transmitting pathogens in the saliva of one worshiper to the mouth of another via the use of a Common Communion Cup.

However, I certainly cannot school the holy pecking ecclesiastical order in this matter because my knowledge is at best suspect, I can only rely on the knowledge which I have gained from church’s practice and the available science. But you may wish to note that the reputation of communion, according to orthodox doctrine of Sacramental Theology, is that the sacred and symbolic ritual, the manifestation, if you like, of the unity in Christ. But this sacred and symbolic gesture does not manifest itself in the life of the historical Church nor in the Church today because Peter’s barque is beset with schisms and fraught with considerable controversy ad infinitum. Does it mean that other forty thousand or more fragmented Christian denominations and sects are not in unity with Christ, who do not share this sacred symbolism in the Common Communion Cup?

You may wish to note that at the pivotal moment, Jesus invited his disciples to eat bread and drink wine with him. Jesus did not fling the door of room open and invited in the public, all and sundry, to come in and participate in the meal, only his disciplines – a group of 12 men who are known to him and to one another (Matthew 26:17-29; Mark 14: 12-25; Luke 22: 7-38; Corinthians 11: 23-25). It is interesting to note that Luke has a different version to Matthew and Mark. It states: “And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves” (emphasis mine). So, the parallel accounts are not in harmony. Using the literal interpretation, what were they to divide among themselves? It could not have been the cup, so prima facie, it must have been the content of the cup, wine that was in the cup. And the reasonable and logical inference is that each of the disciples pour a portion of the wine from the cup which Jesus gave them into his cup. Thus, indicating that in the Lukan account there was no common cup from which all drank. Therefore, the use of a common cup is not an essential doctrine in the synoptic gospels that is necessary for salvation, but merely church dogma.

THE SCIENTIFIC POSITION

Even if we assume that Jesus and his disciples drank from the same cup which was passed around at the Last Supper, that cup was shared with a small group and the members were familiar with one another, and as such may be acceptable and may conform to the Church’s theological position of it being a profound expression of sacrifice, covenant, and remembrance (intended to be symbolic); but it cannot be acceptable or so acceptable today, at least not without the informed consent of communicants, their having been first schooled in the fact that the Common Communion Cup, the Chalice, is capable of transmitting pathogens, albeit not sufficiently potent to cause a disease outbreak according to the research which was done by several scientists, such as B. C. Hobbs, J. A. Knowlden, A. White: “Experiment on the Communion Cup” in which they explored the hypothesis that pathogens of the mouth may contaminate wine on the communion cup. The authors concluded that the risk of the transmission of infection through a common communion cup is negligible. Further, according to these authors, rotation of the chalice was ineffective in reducing bacterial colonization of the cup. Contrary to the utterance that: “… the careful wiping of the Chalice interior and exterior rim and rotating it after each communicant has received” as per the Pastoral Letter. However, it is to be noted, according to the same authors, wiping the rim of the chalice with a cloth, the so-called ‘purificator’, for example, reduced bacterial counts by 90%. So, there remain the negligible 10% – inoculation(?).

Similar experiments were conducted by Burrows and Hemming to investigate the potential for transmission of pathogens, from one person to another through the common use of the chalice, they have reported that under most favorable conditions only 0.001% of pathogens pass from the saliva of one person to the mouth of another person. This may be the findings that Streptococcus Pyogenes swabbed from the polished surface of the chalice died rapidly; per Burrows W and Hemmens E S: “Survival of bacteria on the silver communion cup”.

In this regard, I am inclined to hold a contrary opinion in the good company of Manangan et al who pointed out that the issue of potential transmission of bacteria through the Common Communion Cup is controversial (Manangan LP, Sehulster LM, Chiarello L, Simonds DN, Jarvis WR: “Risk of infectious disease transmission from a common communion cup”). They stated that even if transmission occurs, it does not imply inoculation or infection. This is so because disease requires a minimum number of pathogens to be transmitted from person to person to have an outbreak. 

Therefore, one may argue that despite the learned debate among scientists, historically, the use of the Common Communion Cup has not been associated with a pandemic outbreak. However, this is not the same as saying that it cannot or will not happen in the future, but on a balance of probabilities, based on prior scientific knowledge, one may conclude that it is unlikely to happen. It follows then that the present state of things is based on scientific principles and not on respect for religious belief (“… it is received in faith as the Blood of Christ …” per the Pastoral Letter) and, I dare say, properly so. But even so, that too is subject to change in the near future or in the distant future with the effluxion of time. According to Andy Sterling in relation to scientific knowledge, we should heed the Precautionary Principle because “… it is shown how conventional “science-based” risk assessment techniques address only limited aspects of incomplete knowledge in complex, dynamic, evolutionary processes (emphasis mine) (“Science, Precaution, and the Politics of Technological Risk Converging Implication in Evolutionary and Social Scientific Perspectives”). 

So, novel pathogens may (and do) develop from time to time, and they may surprise us and take us unaware due to the state of our incomplete knowledge, witness Covid-19 pandemic. It follows inexorably that the Precautionary Principle and the Participatory Approach can help us to mitigate the risk of contamination by pathogens in the use of the Common Communion Cup in circumstances where there are scientifically grounded reasons for concern over uncertainty, ambiguity, or ignorance.

You will recall that St. Paul on his visit to Athens was brought to the Areopagus to explain to all present this new God of whom he preached. He had prior observed an altar with the inscription: “To an unknown god” and he seized the opportunity that this unknown god was in fact the God who made all things (Acts 17:23-31); mysterium tremendum et fascinans. The “unknown unknowns” simply cannot be seen ahead of time because “[W]e see through glass, darkly; but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood” (1 Corinthians 13:12), but “in the fullness of time” all was made known, and we were “adopted as sons and daughters of God” (Galatians 4:4-5). Our obscure or imperfect vision of reality will be transformed and made whole.

INTINCTION IS A SAFER METHOD FOR COMMUNION – SCIENCE

To transform our obscure and imperfect vision of reality, a study that is done by LaGrange Loving A: “A controlled study on intinction: a safer alternative method for receiving Holy Communion” (J Environ Health. 1995, 58:24-28), offers intinction as a safer way for receiving communion. It is noteworthy that the authors reported that intinction did not eliminate the risk (inoculation possible(?)), but it significantly reduced the hazard of infection compared to the practice of sipping from a Common Communion Cup. They suggested intinction to be safer, as an alternative method for receiving Holy Communion. And I concur with this opinion.

The Centre of Disease and Control Prevention was moved by the considerable debate that had arisen, in 1998, attempted to achieve a balance between scientific principles and respect for religious beliefs (Manangan L. P., Sehulster L. M., Chiarello L., Simonds D. N., Jarvis W. R: “Risk of infectious disease transmission from a common communion cup”). They found that compared with non-communicants and communicants there was no higher risk of infection (the sample was 681persons). However, this finding did not provide lasting assuagement.

Another research was done by Fiedler K., Lindner M., Edel B., Wallbrecht F., in their study, “Danger of infection from communion cups – an underestimated risk?” (Zentralbl Hyg Umweltmed.1998, 201:167-188) concurred with LaGrange, Loving A., in their advocating that intinction is the better option for communion but insist that it is not a panacea; I concur with the former opinion.

Based on the foregoing review of the literature, it is my considered opinion that intinction is a safer way to receive Holy Communion short of individual cups. Further, I concur with the authors that intinction is the safer method for communion given the multiplicity of mouths that frequent the chalice at communion. And this is the method that I will personally use or in the alternative, I will accept communion in one form only – bread.

MY OPINION IS BASED ON AN INFORMED POSITION: 

THEOLOGICAL SCIENTIFIC AND ETHICO-LEGAL

I have studied some of the available literature and I have drawn my own conclusion on the matter sui generis; therefore, I am able to make an informed decision on the same. I believe that each communicant should have been placed in a similar position. This is in my considered opinion, it is not indicative that I am a man of little faith or for that matter no faith, even although some may form such a conclusion, none-the-less, anyone and everyone is entitled to draw his/her conclusion from what I have written herein. But I must add a caveat here less I should appear sacrosanct and sanctimonious because I am not a paragon of virtue, and my sins are many: mea culpa. However, my opinion is subject to revision, when I shall have examined other literature, and the learning therein informs me that I should re-examine my current opinion.

However, based on my survey of the available literature and the conclusion reached above, it is my considered opinion that members of the Anglican congregations should have been placed in the same or similar position to make an informed choice, but the Church, have taken the position to return to the Common Communion Cup without consultation with members of the various Anglican congregations, and has so deprived them of making an informed decision as to whether they are comfortable in consuming communion wine that is mingled with pathogens from the mouths of other members of the congregation even though according to the scientific record,  it has not and is unlikely to cause pandemic outbreak. But pathogens, albeit in negligible amounts which do not warrant infection transmission, are not inoculation.

But this conclusion does not exculpate the Church for failing to consult with the congregants and so acted negligently, prejudicing the members of the congregation by not providing them with the scientific facts and so deprived them of the right to make an informed decision on the Church returning to the Common Communion Cup.

The selected and specially Blessed wo/men, as is the custom and practice, have taken a paternalistic approach to the issue at bar and this approach, in my opinion, is ethically unsound whether by utilitarian principles or ontological principles. The principle of respect for the autonomous choices of people runs as deep in the common morality as any other moral principle in a pluralistic democracy. Unlike many other people, I hold that the principle of respect for autonomy takes moral priority over most other moral principles (Beauchamp Tom, L. & Childress, James, F. (2013). Principles of Biomedical Ethics (7th Edn.). London: Oxford University Press); and the lack of information on rights and of effective mechanism for the realization of rights: Longford, M., Cousins, B., Dugard, J., Madlingoz1, T. (2014) (Eds). Socio-Economic Rights in South Africa: Symbols or Substance. London: Cambridge University Press. The principle of paternalism is an unjustifiable restriction on the freedom of the person to make her/his own choice (Singer Peter (1999). Practical Ethics (2nd Edn.) London: Cambridge). The difference between a person and a non-person is robbing them of something they value and of the very thing that makes it possible to value anything at all: Harris, J. (1985). The Value of Life: An Introduction to Medical Ethics. London: Routledge.

As I have argued above, I am persuaded that receiving communion from a common cup is a fundamental matter of a moral personal choice beyond the legitimate reach of the Church (if such a thing exists) and/or the specially beatified episcopal leaders of the Church without more. The principles of freedom and choice (in a pluralistic democracy that adheres to principle of the rule of law) are consistent with an individual’s ability to control her/his own choices unless she/he is defective in several ways. She/he may be, for example, suffering from mental illness which makes it implausible for her/him to be in any sense in control of her/his choice. It would therefore be reasonable to conclude that illness deprived her/him of making an informed choice (Harris J. (1991). The Value of Life: An Introduction to Medical Ethics. London: Routledge). 

Therefore, it is my considered opinion, based on the foregoing theological, scientific and ethico-legal reasoning, that to deprive members of the Church, the right to decide by an informed majority whether the Church should return to the Common Communion Cup is morally and ethically unreasonable. However, if the holy pecking ecclesiastical order is compelled by Church dogma to reintroduce the Common Communion Cup post Covid-19 pandemic, then the better choice, evidently, would have been the giving of Holy Communion by intinction only. This is my witness: “And in God’s house forevermore, my dwelling place shall be” (Psalm 23:4).


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9 responses to “Informed Consent…Common Communion”


  1. Delivering holy communion via a common cup is downright ’nasty’.

  2. Terence Blackett Avatar
    Terence Blackett

    IVAN HUGH WALTERS IS DECEIVED LIKE MUCH OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE PRIESTS IN PRINCE CHARLES’ CHURCH (#NotMyKing); CATHOLIC PRELATES WHO ARE PAGAN WORSHIPPERS; JEHOVAH’S WITNESS OVERSEERS; MORMON ELDERS & MAGISTERIAL PROTESTANTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED BY STATE POWER

    The treatise of this piece is meant to be about “INFORMED CONSENT” to drink from what is meant to be a s “SACRED GOBLET” in a “POST-PLANDEMIC PERIOD OF THIS WORLD’S HISTORY” – where “MILLIONS” were systematically “MURDERED” by “ANTHONY THE FRAUD FAUCI” & a “CABAL OF LUCIFERIAN COADJUTORS” – now on the back end of what we all know was a “GIANT SCAM” foisted on the world in the form of a ” MANIACALLY EUGENICS, POPULATION CLEANSING MECHANISM” – this brotha is now asking whether the time has come to drink of the “CUP” – nothing could be further from “TRUTH”!!!

    1 Corinthians, chapter 10 verse 21, states – “YOU CANNOT DRINK THE CUP OF THE LORD & THE CUP OF DEMONS. YOU CANNOT PARTAKE OF THE TABLE OF THE LORD & THE TABLE OF DEMONS…”

    #HardWords

    #ThinkAgain

    The #CatholicChurch & “HER DAUGHTERS” (FALLEN APOSTATE PROTESTANTISM) has been “#TrulyFallen” since John wrote Revelation, chapter 18 – having departed from true Christian doctrine, stemming from theological, historical, & ecclesiological disagreements that emerged during the Protestant Reformation (16th century) & persist in many Protestant traditions today!!!

    Much of these critiques are rooted in key Reformation principles like “SOLA SCRIPTURA” (Scripture Alone), “SOLA FIDE” (Faith Alone), & the “UTTER & COMPLETE” #Rejection of “PAPAL” authority!!!

    SALVATION IS NOT BY WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST (Eph. 2:9) – it is why the doctrine of soteriology taught by the Roman Catholic Church is a works-based system where a person must work their way to God – having now found its way into “ALL” the churches of Christendom (INCLUDING THOSE WHO PUSH THE ENVELOPE OF FAITH) – for their “RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT* BY FAITH* but by continual “WORKS-BASED” Christianity!!!

    THE #5Solas OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION

    (1) #SolaScriptura (Scripture Alone)
    (2) #SolaGratia (Grace Alone)
    (3) #SolaFide” (Faith Alone)
    (4) #SolusChristus (Christ Alone)
    (5) #SoliDeoGloria (To God “ALONE” Be Glory)

    UNPACKING A FEW

    Sola Scriptura vs. Tradition

    Protestants Claim that the Catholic Church elevated human traditions (e.g., Papal decrees, Marian doctrines, purgatory, etc) to the level of “DIVINE AUTHORITY”, contradicting the Reformation principle that Scripture Alone (Sola Scriptura) is the ultimate authority (Matthew 15:3-9 & Mark 7:8-13)

    Example

    Doctrines like the “IMMACULATE CONCEPTION”(1854) or “PAPAL INFALLIBILITY” (1870) are seen as “USURPATIONS” guised as innovations – without clear Biblical basis or authenticity

    Justification By Faith Alone (Sola Fide)

    Protestants claim that the Catholic teaching on justification – emphasizing faith & works (Council of Trent, 1547) which was viewed as a “CORRUPTION” of the Biblical Gospel. Luther et al argued this turned salvation into a merit-based system, undermining Christ’s sufficiency (Ephesians 2:8-9) as cited above

    Example

    The sale of “INDULGENCES”, which implied “GRACE” could be “BOUGHT”, symbolized this perceived corruption – a damnable “STAIN” even upon the “POSTMODERN” church, as “TITHES” & “OFFERINGS” are the “NEW FORM OF INDULGENCES”

    The Priesthood of All Believers

    Protestant claim that the Catholic hierarchical structure (priests, bishops, popes) was seen as undermining the New Testament teaching that “ALL BELIEVERS” are priests before God (1 Peter 2:9). The mediatorial role of priests in sacraments like confession (John 14:6) is & was rejected as a “DAMNABLE HERESY”

    Historical Corruption & Abuse

    Medieval church corruption – “SIMONY”, “NEPOTISM”, & “MORAL LAXITY” among clergy (PAST & PRESENT) are “GRIEVOUS SINS” right on the rostrum of the church buildings, (e.g., Renaissance-era popes, bishops, prelates et al) are still eroding trust in the Church’s spiritual authority

    Indulgences “ACT 2 – SCENE 2”

    The “COMMERCIALIZATION OF FORGIVENESS” (e.g., Johann Tetzel’s sales pitch: “As soon as the coin hits the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs”) became a flashpoint for reformers like Martin Luther

    Historical examples of corrupt or politically motivated popes (e.g., Alexander VI, Francis et al).

    The doctrine of #PapalInfallibility (1870) was clearly seen as pagan idolatrous practice

    Sacraments (ISSUE @HAND) – TRANSUBSTANTIATION

    Seen as an unbiblical, philosophical distortion of the “LORD’S SUPPER”

    The doctrine of transubstantiation, central to Catholic Eucharistic theology, & much of so-called Christian practice has been subject to various criticisms & perceived “evils” throughout history, particularly from non-Catholic Christian traditions, secular perspectives, & philosophical critiques

    Here’s an organized summary of these criticisms starting with –

    Theological & Biblical Criticisms

    Literal vs. Symbolic Interpretation by many Protestant denominations argue that Jesus’ words at the Last Supper (“THIS IS MY BODY”) were metaphorical, (“NOT LITERAL”)

    They viewed transubstantiation as a misinterpretation that distorts the symbolic nature of communion, emphasizing ritual over spiritual remembrance (as in Zwingli’s or Calvin’s views)

    Lack of Explicit Scriptural Basis – critics claim, that the doctrine relies on later theological developments (e.g., medieval Aristotelian philosophy) rather than clear Biblical teaching, making it a human invention rather than divine revelation

    Philosophical Concerns

    Dependence on Aristotelian Metaphysics suggest the distinction between “SUBSTANCE” (INNER REALITY) & “ACCIDENTS” (“OUTWARD APPEARANCE”) derives from Aristotlean philosophy

    Critics argue that grounding a sacrament in ancient philosophy risks conflating human reasoning with divine truth, complicating a simple act of faith

    Logical Coherence

    Skeptics question & argue the plausibility of a metaphysical change undetectable by empirical means, deeming it irrational or incompatible with modern scientific realism & understanding

    Moral & Spiritual Objections

    Idolatry as seen by Protestants, accuse Catholics of worshipping the Eucharistic elements, equating it with idolatry (forbidden in Exodus 20:4-5). This criticism hinges on the fear that “REVERENCE” for the “HOST” displaces focus on Christ’s spiritual presence

    Ritualism vs. Faith

    Critics also argue that an overemphasis on the Eucharist as a necessary sacrament for salvation could lead to a works-based futility, neglecting inner faith & ethical living

    Historical & Social Conflicts

    Persecution & Violence is a denial of transubstantiation that was “PUNISHABLE BY DEATH” during the “INQUISITION” & Reformation-Era conflicts. Enforcement of the doctrine became a tool of ecclesiastical power, leading to “OPPRESSION & MARTYRDOM” (e.g., Protestants under Mary I of England)

    Power Dynamics

    The clergy’s control of transubstantiation reinforces the sacerdotal role of priests as “MEDIATORS” of the sacrament, centralizing power in the clergy. Critics (e.g., Lutherans, Anabaptists) argue this undermines the “priesthood of all believers” (1 Peter 2:9).

    Secular & Modern Critiques

    The conflict with modern science fuels this notion of substance change without physical evidence challenges empirical reasoning, positioning the doctrine as incompatible with scientific materialism (SOMETHING THAT IS POSITED BY RICHARD DAWKINS et al)

    Psychological Impact

    Encouraging belief in the imperceptible might be seen as promoting uncritical acceptance, potentially stifling intellectual inquiry or fostering cognitive dissonance (AS OPINED BY SOME ON BU OVER THE YEARS) challenging a “PREMISE OF FAITH” & not a disgusting “RELIC” of medieval & postmodern Catholic belief

    Polemical Accusations

    The “CANNIBALISM CHARGE”, though often dismissed as a misrepresentation, anti-Catholic rhetoric historically caricatured the Eucharist as akin to cannibalism, exploiting literal interpretations to vilify the practice

    [7] Sacraments is disputed by Protestants who recognize only [2] (BAPTISM & COMMUNION” as Biblically instituted (WHEN DONE IN THE CORRECT WAY)

    Veneration of Saints & Mary

    Prayers 2 saints & Marian devotion (e.g., the Rosary), with titles like “Co-Redemptrix” are viewed as “PAGAN”, idolatrous practices, diverting worship from Christ Alone
    (1 Timothy 2:5).

    Eschatological & Prophetic Interpretations

    Some Protestants, particularly in Evangelical & Fundamentalist traditions, interpret the Catholic Church through apocalyptic lenses – (e.g., THE WHORE OF BABYLON as cited by Reformers like Luther & Calvin, who identified the “PAPACY” with the “ANTICHRIST” and/or the “BEAST POWER” of Revelation 17 & 18, a view later adopted by groups like the Puritans et al

    Dispensationalism

    Modern prophecy teachers often link the Catholic Church to end-times apostasy

    THE HISTORICAL NARRATIVE

    The Council of Trent (1545–1563)

    The Council of Trent denounced the idea of justification by faith alone, emphasizing the necessity of works – “If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema” (Session 6, Canon 24)

    The said Council reaffirmed the efficacy of the sacraments for salvation & anathematized those who denied their importance – “If anyone says that these sacraments of the New Law do not differ from the sacraments of the Old Law, except that the ceremonies are different and the external rites are different, let him be anathema” (Session 7, Canon 1).

    The Council also affirmed the doctrine of transubstantiation & anathematized those who rejected it – “If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and therefore the whole Christ, let him be anathema” (Session 13, Canon 1).

    The Catholic Church’s response to the Reformation hardened divisions

    Trent anathematized Protestant teachings (e.g., justification by faith alone).

    Doubled down on practices like indulgences, purgatory, & tradition.

    To Protestants, this confirmed Rome’s refusal to reform, cementing its status as a “FALLEN” institution.

    Modern Protestant Perspectives

    Today, views vary widely from mainline Protestants who often emphasize ecumenism & shared beliefs (e.g., joint Catholic-Lutheran statements on justification, 1999) but where does “LIGHT” & “DARKNESS” co-exist

    Evangelicals/Reformed still view Catholicism as a “FALSE GOSPEL” due to its works-based soteriology – where radical Reformers like (Anabaptists) wholly reject Catholicism (and/or magisterial Protestantism), as fundamentally compromised with state power as is being seen in the #UnitedStates where the “CONSITUTIONAL SEPARATION” of church & state is under attack

    These criticisms reflect broader debates about “CHURCH AUTHORITY” (WHICH IS IN THE TOILET), interpretation, (WHICH IS WHOLLY SKEWED & OUTSIDE THE EISEGESIS & EXEGESIS OF SCRIPTURE) & the relationship between “FAITH & REASON”

    While the Catholic Church defends transubstantiation as a mystery of faith rooted in apostolic tradition, opponents view it as a divisive, philosophically tenuous, or even oppressive doctrine

    Understanding these perspectives requires contextualizing them within theological, historical, & cultural frameworks – “NOT LEFT 2 FEEBLE MINDS WHO ARE NOT ONLY FRANKLY CLUELESS BUT HAVE ZERO POWER OVER ANYTHING INCLUDING THEIR OWN LIVES”

    NO CATHOLIC PRIESTS, BISHOPS NOR THE POPE OR ANY OF HER DAUGHTER CHURCHES HAVE ANY DIVINE OR SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY WHATSOVER WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESTORATION AND/OR RESTITUTION OF THE TRUE CHURCH OF YESHUA THE MESSIAH

    #BabylonIsFallen_IsFallen & awaits her ultimate “DOOM”!!!

    #YeshuaIsComing & will destroy the “MAN-MADE CHURCH” & all else with the “SWORD” that proceeds out of “HIS MOUTH”!!!

    #WeAreVeryClose2TheEnd


  3. ….. so, become a Quaker.

    Many do not take Communion.

    … or even better, a Muslim

    BTW, members of the Muslim faith, particularly males, are the most likely demographic to die of Covid so clearly the Communion Cup cannot be a culprit.

    Did you know that “After adjusting for age only (green bar), the rates of coronavirus (COVID-19) mortality were statistically significantly higher for people identifying as Muslim (men HR: 2.3, women HR: 1.9), Hindu (men HR: 1.7, women HR: 1.8), or Jewish (men HR: 1.7, women HR: 1.5) compared with the Christian group.”

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19byreligiousgroupengland/24january2020to28february2021#:~:text=After%20adjusting%20for%20age%20only%20(green%20bar)%2C%20the%20rates,compared%20with%20the%20Christian%20group.

    So, what could explain this?

    Water ,,,,

    …… and the Muslim ritual of Wudu, purification before prayer!!!

    Covid enters the body through the upper respiratory tract which Muslims purify with water prior to prayer …… numerous times a day in many cases.

    Muslim women have a lower rate because they are considered unclean and do not pray at their time of the month and so do not practice Wudu as regularly as do their men.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1AyRBejDVk

    It is however also true that Christians have a slightly higher mortality rate than do atheists, but not by much.

    So, make sure you know something about your source of water before letting it enter your body through your upper respiratory tract.

    I realised early in the COVID era that the source of water in my area was from Belle/Newmarket so did not worry about it as a source of infection because for water to get to the pumps it would take a very long time and the virus would die with no host.

    The only precautions I took when not at home was to avoid public washrooms and did not buy vegetables which were not cooked when eating out, ie, avoid lettuce, tomato, cabbage etc …… unless I prepared them at home.

    I have been in churches where individuals are taken individual plastic cups with the wine.

    You would have to be real unlucky to pick up an infection from the Communion Cup, after all, if you are really sick with Covid you will not be in Church and there is no source of infection.

    …. and yes, I told a Muslim friend of mine of the statistics once I had them and the probable cause of the spread of Covid among males of the Muslim faith.


  4. ….. I even told those on here what the numbers said and why.

    Also wrote to the Chief Medical Officer with the data so I did my duty.


  5. ……. and of course, I told family and friends.


  6. Didn’t know they had a word for it; intinction. Always dislike drinking from the communal cup. So from early days started wearing bright lipstick to church. Reverend hated having to wipe the lipstick from the cup as it took time to wipe clean & held up the line of congregants waiting for communion. So intinction is the norm for me.


  7. Taking a sacrament is all a matter of choice.

    Some don’t for purely selfish reasons, others for more altruistic ones.


  8. Holy Communion is a symbolic event. A big part of the problem of the traditional church is its unswerving commitment to pomp and ceremony.


  9. That’s why there was a Reformation, and numerous non-conformist sects arose, the Quakers being the last of them.

    The Bible drove the Reformation and created the mindset in people which drove them to leave England and found America regardless of the difficulty.

    The same people who founded America also settled Barbados because Barbados was an essential reprovisioning stop for ships going to America.

    It was all about spreading God’s Word!!!

    Now it is spread, it is truly available to all mankind.

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