Banner promoting anonymous crime reporting with a phone and contact number 1 800 TIPS (8477), featuring the Crime Stoppers logo and a QR code for submitting tips.

← Back

Your message to the BLOGMASTER was sent

If there was an imported beverage containing a fatal concentration of poison resulting in death, we may have four blame-options. We may blame: the store that sold the beverage, the person who drank the beverage, medical doctors who did not think it was their duty to warn the public, and the government for not banning the beverage. In this scenario, most of the blame should fall on the careless doctors – hence this warning.

I am issuing a RED ALERT WARNING that contractors are typically using timber that has not been treated for termites in the roofs of houses they build. All parties will likely dispute this. Contractors will likely claim they purchased termite-treated timber from hardware stores. Hardware store merchants will likely claim that they sell termite-treated timber to all contractors who request it. The Government will likely claim that all the houses they built used only termite treated timber. The facts follow.

THE FACTS.

In Barbados, I have not found: (a) any recently built house that used termite-treated timber, and (b) termite-treated timber in any of the major hardware stores.

Timber is sold with a stamp explaining the: (i) species, (ii) grade, (iii) treatment, and (iv) certifying body. A common structural timber specified in Barbados is Southern Yellow Pine (SYP) of Grade No.1 that is Kiln Dried (KD) to up to 19% moisture content and Pressure Treated (PT) against termites. The stamp for this timber may read: SYP No.1, KD19, PT.

Examining this stamp in recent roof rafters and major hardware stores reveals Heat Treated (HT) instead of Pressure Treated (PT). Heat treatment is used to improve the durability of timber, but offers little protection against termites. Further, the process of heating: (i) makes the timber more brittle, (ii) reduces the timber’s strength by up to 50% and (iii) makes nails and screws easier to pull out. For those reasons, Heat Treated (HT) pine is not recommended for structural uses – especially in hurricane-prone regions.

THE CONTAGION.

I do not know when the replacement of Pressure Treated timber with Heat Treated started, but I have been warning about contractors using timber not treated for termites in roofs for several years – without any response. What is known is that the replacement appears to be complete in Barbados and several Eastern Caribbean countries, and I do not know how far the contagion has spread across the Caribbean.

Having had over 12 deployments to Haiti following the 2010 earthquake, the only logical explanation I can offer for their poor building methods is that Haiti is deliberately kept vulnerable to earthquakes. The foreseen effect of replacing Pressure Treated timber with Heat Treated timber in the Caribbean is to keep Caribbean countries vulnerable to hurricanes.

THE BENEFICIARIES.

The main beneficiaries of this vulnerability are merchants who supply timber to replace roofs after each major storm. While contractors also benefit, I believe that they sincerely thought that they were purchasing termite-treated timber. I also believe that merchants sincerely thought that heat treated timber also protected against termites – which is what their managers confidently but wrongly explained to me.

The solution to this madness should be addressed at three levels: (i) the Government should restrict the use of heat treated timber to non-structural uses, (ii) hardware stores should properly label their non-pressure treated timber as not treated for termites, and (iii) contractors should only purchase pressure treated timber for structural uses.

SAVE YOURSELF.

The stealth introduction of Heat Treated (HT) timber into Barbados will certainly affect homeowners, who may find themselves homeless and injured after the next tropical storm. Therefore, they should start preparing now. It is to them whom I shall address directly for the remainder of this Red Alert.

If your rafters are unpainted (which is normal in houses with ceilings), look for the stamp. If it reads: SYP No.1, KD19, PT, you are fortunate. If it reads: SYP No.2 or No.3, then you should be very angry with your contractor who likely purchased non-structural timber on purpose.

MAKING WRONG THINGS RIGHT.

If it reads SYP No.1, KD19, HT, then you have termite delight. You should inform your contractor that you want the pressure-treated timber, which you already paid for, installed before the start of the 2025 hurricane season. You should allow the contractor and the hardware store to decide how they will make their wrong things right – at their own cost.

If you do not see any work started by February 2025, you should write both of them explaining that you will hold them both liable for: (i) any damage to your timbers from termites, (ii) any damage to your roof from tropical storms or hurricanes, and (iii) any damage to the contents of your house as a result of damage to your roof from termites or wind storms.

Grenville Phillips II is a Doctor of Engineering and a Chartered Structural Engineer. He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com


Discover more from Barbados Underground

Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.

90 responses to “Red Alert Warning – Termite Delight”

  1. William Skinner Avatar

    Very informative piece. It certainly reaches the level of a public service. We need more professionals in various fields to inform the public of certain realities. We are not assuming that all information will be a hundred per cent accurate and beyond criticism but it at least would give us something to think about.


  2. @William

    Does anyone care to maintain standards nowadays? It is about cutting corners always.

    The PM is big about ensuring we have climate resilient housing stock? Something like this mentioned by Grenville should be regulated and enforced as part of planning from the relevant government department. Instead the ‘ignorant’ people are left to be exploited.


  3. Is there a legal penalty for building with the wrong wood enforcebale by law? Has the Barbados Government passed a law stating that only PTT can be used for roofing and has the TCP been given the mandate to enforce such prior to issusing the Certificate Of Compliance?

    If the answers to the above are No No and No then wunna wasting breath.


  4. Is termite treated pine greenish?


  5. This definitely needs to be investigated further. And if our government is serious, it will do so.


  6. This is Grenville’s expertise which the blogmaster will not dare to question.


  7. Grenville

    Do you know anything about solar water heater installations and if they are codified??

    Came across an interesting fact recently.

    Copper has been replaced by PEX.

    It makes the installation of these units far cheaper and easier.

    Maintenance of corroded copper pipes is easy with PEX.

    Leaks mean water soaked timber.

    Termites love damp.


  8. Put in a call to Brasstacks! That should get their attention. As for me, I am saving the article.

  9. William Skinner Avatar

    @ David,
    As the region continues its transformation from the Independence Era to Republicanism and so on, we would eventually have to admit that we have not made the best use of our human resources. There is absolutely nothing wrong in taking an interest, in what happens anywhere else in the world but sometimes the passion we display is more intense than that showed for matters on our own doorstep.
    It is obvious , as you have correctly stated that our building codes and other standards of construction have been blatantly disregarded often on the altar of cheap political bragging rights and or selfish corporate greed.
    To Grenville’s credit , he has never failed to enlighten us on matters pertaining to his professional skills.


  10. @William

    Agreed!


  11. This article gives us a state of bu déjà vu or déjà bu
    an identical article was written by this habitual blogger about 1 year ago

    Grenville could or should start an ethical house building corporation initiative.
    Where people would know they are buying properties of a higher standard.
    Even if costs are higher than other builders it could be argued that they still provide better value and long term durability with standards implemented.

    Commandments of Dub Chapter 1 Verse 4
    Psalms 150:3 – Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet …


  12. William Skinner
    December 8, 2024 at 8:48 am
    Rate This

    @ David,
    As the region continues its transformation from the Independence Era to Republicanism and so on,

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A rewrite is in order!!

    As the region continues its transformation from the Independence Era to the era of make believe and so on, ………………………..


  13. If you have an older house, this Shark Bite fitting won’t work because American Copper is being used now vs the older standard English Copper, inches vs mm.

    … but there is an equivalent fitting you can get for English Copper …. or so I am told.


  14. The conundrum is that HT SYP is typically more expensive than PT?
    The HT suppliers frequently boast about ‘environmental’ advantages, as PT uses chemicals. Yet HT doesn’t protect against termites, though some HT producers tout HT as being ‘more insect resistant’ than natural timber.
    The # refers to strength, with #1 being stronger than #2 etc. I’d guess #2 PT is better for use in Bdos than #1 HT, esp if it were #2&btr (#2 or better).


  15. Thanks Grenville.


  16. Hi George:

    Pine No 2 and No. 3 are non-structural timber (too weak) and should not be used for structural purposes in the Caribbean – they should definitely not be used for roof rafters. Tragically, their structural use now appears common.

    Heat treatment weakens Pine by up to 50%. Therefore, it should not be used for structural purposes in the hurricane-prone Caribbean region.


  17. The problem with people like Grenville is that he is so naturally bright, that he REALLY cannot grasp how everyone else can be missing. such basic, obvious stuff.
    This is the IDENTICAL ISO9001 ideas that he was pushing as a political policy, and which was dismissed by Bajans.
    He has now decided to break it down into the day-to-day realities , ..and suddenly… BINGO!!

    Setting quality standards is what REAL people in REAL societies do, as a mechanism of social and human development. It is about setting and continually raising standards of human society.

    So when you find a place where there is no desire – indeed, RESISTANCE, to setting basic minimum standards for how we operate, you KNOW that you are in a place where the leadership wants to reserve the right tooperate in the gutter..
    …by not having integrity legislation
    …by not investigating KNOWN fraud that has been highlighted by the Auditor G
    … by hiding up clear criminality in STEAL houses, HOPE houses, BWA, Four Seasons
    etc etc

    The establishment of standards can be like a self-imposed prison sentence ….to those with skeletons in their closets..
    So…
    Good try Grenville….
    Next you will be asking for Internatiomal Auditing standards to be applicable to public fund management in Brassbados…

    …are you losing it Boss..???


  18. @Bush Tea

    Correction, Barbadians rejected Solutions Barbados, they are happy with alternating between B and D. All about Barbados we observe standards being flouted by all and sundry.


  19. Bushie

    This writer has not read the above and will not.

    For you to call a man bright like is the standard for Bajans when an 11 plus boy says the unremarkable is hardly surprising.

    Even in an environment where there is the absence of these so-called Eurocentric standards, are in and of themselves just those, standards.

    For standards are no different to perceptions of quality as popularly understood or quality standards, as better known.

    Indeed, from TQM we have long known well, that even the poorest quality or lowest standard/s represents the quality standard/s commensurate with the customer ability to pay.

    In other word a one dollar pair of shoes sold to Bajans meets the quality standard the market can afford.

    You see, the people who gave us these standards, the Japanese for example, have developed they standards on the backs of others whose resources were stolen, giving them a higher standard of living, and now are pretending to have these standards to suppose we must follow.

    You, unlike the writer, should have enough common sense to make these critical links.

    Bushie so in others words again, both you and the above writer are talking shiiiite. Even if it is the kind of shiiite having a stench palpable to some.


  20. I seem to recall that Bush Tea admitted to voting Bee.


  21. Uh-oh!


  22. Correction, shark bite works on American Copper pipes but not English.


  23. Grenville
    Must be difficult for buyers, all around, to understand the difference with articles like this

    https://olympicind.com/article/kiln-dried-heat-treated-lumber-vs-pressure-treated-wood-vs-green-lumber-whats-the-difference/


  24. Hi George:

    Anyone can write a blog – that is full of mistakes.


  25. @Grenville, excellent article. Unfortunately 95% of Bajans could care less. We are now living in a country where proxies, square pegs and the incompetent should either be locked up or in Jenkins. Barbados is suffering from pancreatic cancer as a result of politicians. I cannot imagine what life will be in another 10 years. Keep writing, some day voters will get wise to vote quality independents


  26. “, Barbadians rejected Solutions Barbados, they are happy with alternating between B and D.”

    Both times structural engineer Grenville Phillips II ran for Solutions Barbados,
    Mia / BLP won 30 nil.

    So he was in the wrong place at the wrong time

    he has equal credibility to DLP which is none at all


  27. Should have voted for him in 2018 and you would have been light years ahead of where you are now but NO continuing on with the two party system -one bird two wings – the same horse and pony show.

    When will you all ever learn?


  28. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet
    December 8, 2024 at 7:46 pm
    Rate This

    “, Barbadians rejected Solutions Barbados, they are happy with alternating between B and D.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I voted Solutions.

    I will never vote B or D again.


  29. I have nothing against Grenville the engineer, or Grenville the human being.

    But I don’t agree with his politics and I didn’t vote Solutions and still would not do so today.


  30. Poor you!!

    Grenville,

    Talking about roofs, make a pilgrimage to Paris to view the restoration of the roof and building of Notre Dame.

    It may well transform France.


  31. John
    December 8, 2024 at 8:50 pm
    Rate This

    555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet
    December 8, 2024 at 7:46 pm
    Rate This

    “, Barbadians rejected Solutions Barbados, they are happy with alternating between B and D.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I voted Solutions.

    I will never vote B or D again.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    From 2018 I will vote AOP or AOI!!

    …. any other party or any other independent.

    One of the reasons I was looking to run last time, I could vote for myself!!


  32. The Bajan in Exile who thinks that climate change is geo-engineered to make us into slaves (as if that were necessary), and gets his information from “Truther”, wants to tell me how to think critically and vote for Grenville.

    Climate changing naturally over time should not be hard to understand. Nor should the data that shows the accelerated change since industrialisation started pumping gases that trap heat in our atmosphere. Nor should the idea that trapped heat raises the temperature of the sea which fuels the hurricanes, making them powerful enough to reach farther inland than they ever reached before!

    I’ll be damned if I take advice from such an idiot!

    I thought BAJE had put this “Grenville got de solutions” myth to bed once and for all.

    Grenville knows about ENGINEERING! PERIOD! He is deficient in other crucial areas that matter even more.

    Imagine that we are attempting to emancipate ourselves from mental slavery and Grenville wants us to crawl on our knees to a decrepit King of a decrepit kingdom, begging him to take us back under the coloniser’s “protective wing”!

    They themselves are quaking in their boots, wholly and solely dependant on the United States for protection, scrambling in the face of Donald Trump’s threats of abandonment if they don’t grovel at his feet.

    Not to forget that the Americans themselves seem totally ignorant to the fact that their hold on the world is in peril. They are going the way of the British Empire.

    Imagine the steps BACKWARD we would be taking with Grenville’s colonial thinking! Imagine how humiliating Grenville would be on the world stage, kissing white ass like a house slave, Bible in hand, worshipping white Jesus!

    We are looking for a new world order! Grenville is stuck in the old.

    I would rather live in a house made from palm leaves after losing my home in a hurricane. As a matter of fact, I would rather lose every damn thing I have, including my life, than to grovel at the feet of some racist, decaying country, whose citizenship I proudly rejected as a teenager. There is indeed a fate worse than death!

    The Clacton constituency, close to where I was born and used to live, voted for Nigel Farage in the last election. Elon Musk is reported to be buying the government for the racist ass Reform Party in the next election.

    Grenville is not capable of reading the political signs! Grenville is a political simpleton!

    Come out, Bush Tea! Come out and tell us that you voted Solutions!

    Enough of this nonsense!


  33. I will add a short note.
    I am surprise that no one has remarked on the similarity of Rabbit and Grenville. In their areas of training, they demonstrate remarkable and sound expertise but when venturing outside of those areas, their thinking can be woefully deficient.

    We have seen enough of these guys to know when to read and when to scroll.


  34. The problem with us is that we don’t want to begin at the very beginning. True freedom can only come when our minds are free.


  35. Termite proof.


  36. Donna:

    You continue to spread your misinformation, despite being repeatedly corrected.

    My articles on Republicanism are published and clearly explain my position. The people were promised a referendum to obtain their consent. Therefore, all facets of this issue should have been published so that the people, who would have to live with the consequences (whether good or bad), would be without excuse. Unfortunately, consent was taken from the people and we became a republic.

    Once we accept the idea that consent should be taken from the public rather than given by the public, that is a dangerous precedent. I believe that most people believe that consent should be given not taken, but history has shown that people will sacrifice the right of others in the blind pursuit of their agendas.

    I have found that despite the republicanism no longer being a public issue, those who advocated taking peoples’ basic human right of consent to pursue their agenda, cannot seem to help themselves from gnashing their teeth at anyone who offered a balanced opinion.


  37. Grenville
    Anybody can write a blog, yet that article comes from a large lumber wholesaler. You seemed to find some empathy for local merchants whose employees were parroting similar inaccuracies.
    In the 10.02am video, what about the use of cementitious board as a sub floor material? From a visual, OSB is being used as the roof sheathing.
    Appears local standards need specificity, to avoid local interpretation which maybe inaccurate.


  38. ” Speaking as the guest of honour at the event, Prince Charles reiterated the continuing ties between the two nations despite the constitutional status change. He described the moment as a new beginning before being awarded the prestigious Order of Freedom of Barbados by the new president.29 Nov 2021.”
    Imagine that : on the night we were declaring our final break from our former slave masters, we bestowed the Order of Freedom of Barbados on the slave master.
    Talk about termites !!


  39. Hants:

    Timber is vulnerable to rot. Metal is vulnerable to corrosion – and metal can corrode faster than some wood may rot. Therefore, someone needs to inspect the houses one year after they have been occupied to investigate the actual vulnerability to corrosion.


  40. The British enslaved black African people and brought them to Americas to work as slaves.

    Becoming a Republic and abandoning the Crown as Head of State was about killing the Slave Master relationship, which was a No Brainer.


  41. 555dubstreet:

    If believe the relationship Barbados had with the UK after our Independence in 1966 was a slave/master one, then please describe some of the post-Independence behaviors that support this belief.


  42. Britain supported and promoted global white supremacy racism apartheid and segregation in South Africa, Zimbabwe, all across Africa and Israel. They are still spinning crap about not paying reparations for their crimes to humankind.


  43. Well, up to this very day Whiteness has remained the dominant goal of nearly all the people here on BU.

    Count the people here who ever claimed a god which looks like them, an ancient history of their own, a language which supersedes all others, an Afrikan identity as the way of being and minus the illusions about reparations which will never be paid except to the traitors amongst us, expressed the burning desire to see the big fire in the White people’s sew-n-sew.


  44. nice.


  45. Grenville,

    When was I corrected? This is the first time that I have seen a response to this. But I do check out after a while and may have missed it.

    Yes, somewhere in the mix, I do recallthere may an argument for consent from the people.

    But…. I distinctly remember reading where you whined that we were now without the protection of the British monarchy in the event of an attack. Yes, indeed! I remember that.

    I remember. I remember. I remember.


  46. Je me souviens


  47. Correction: there was an argument made for consent.

    I also remember your fixation on the removal of Nelson’s statue. You claimed that your research had taught you what the research of real historians had not. You claimed that Nelson was not in favour of slavery. You claimed that we should not be taking down Nelson on the basis of a lie.

    Red flag alert – you always seem to have a different take, as you are do here with our post-independence relationship with the British. What do you think the Commonwealth was for but to keep the former colonies in line? Did it bring us COMMON WEALTH?

    You ask for proof! Really? Next you’ll be asking for proof of neo-colonialism worldwide!


  48. William Skinner
    December 9, 2024 at 10:49 am
    1 Vote

    ” Speaking as the guest of honour at the event, Prince Charles reiterated the continuing ties between the two nations despite the constitutional status change. He described the moment as a new beginning before being awarded the prestigious Order of Freedom of Barbados by the new president.29 Nov 2021.”
    Imagine that : on the night we were declaring our final break from our former slave masters, we bestowed the Order of Freedom of Barbados on the slave master.
    Talk about termites !!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We are still a Constitutional Monarchy.

    The best King Charles could do for us is to send down anedda GG, this one gone bonkers.


  49. These puerile arguments against republicanism are mere nullities.

    After all the lies around us it’s not surprising that a died in the wool monarchist would make all kinds of specious arguments to prove a paper-point.

    Every government of Barbados takes steps without the specific consent of Bajans.

    This is the deeper problem at the heart of a system which was never innately based on mass consent.

    Did Barrow get specific consent for the gifted independence from the CIA?

    Has time not proved that Adams was right on this point and that a now illusive regional federation would have been much better if he had his way?

    Has any regime in Barbados ever got specific consent to commit this country to debt servitude forever?

    And on and on

    These specious arguments are only conveniently trotted out as the political cover for the return of the monarchy to which most here are most comfortable.

    Yes, Mia Mottley acted, and continues to act high-handedly. However, she’s also in good company, as could be postulated.


  50. Freeing the mind is a journey. There is no Star Trek teleporter. We have to travel by foot. Some will walk and some will run. Some will hop like hares. So that we are all at different stages. I myself, being a rebel at heart from a rebel family, haven’t worshipped a white god since early childhood. The Religious Education textbook had maps in it. So did my Bible. I quickly determined that the only way Jesus could have been white is if he had been albino.

    My reason for being involved in the Anglican tradition was that it offered a thorough examination and challenge to everything the Bible posits. Through this I was able to discard fundamentalist and literalist interpretations. During studies at Codrington College, we were encouraged to investigate and respect other religions, African and all. So that the modern Anglican church actually bolstered my resistance to the societal pressure to accept the religious dogma imposed on us by the old Anglican church.

    Go figure!

    Having acquired the knowledge and the answers to the questions that troubled me about the Bible since my teenage years, I no longer attend worship, though I must admit I still enjoy the hymns and psalms at funerals and I still find some utility in the Christian faith and the Bible. Alas, I have not yet reached my African destination!

    With respect to our government, some people believe in easing their hand slowly out of the lion’s mouth in an attempt to go unnoticed, while others believe in one quick move. The reflexes of little cats are faster than a snake’s strike. I am not sure about the big cat’s reflexes, though I suspect that they too may be faster than a human’s.

    So that I welcome every small step our government takes, even as I cringe at Charles’ national honour, which I thought was highly unnecessary.

    But at least Ms. Mottley isn’t hiding behind Charles’ kilt looking for “protection”!

The blogmaster invites you to join the discussion.

Trending

Discover more from Barbados Underground

Subscribe now to keep reading and get access to the full archive.

Continue reading