Central Bank 9-month economic review confirms 4.4% growth
Governor of the Central Bank Kevin Greenidge was pleased as punch to share that the Barbados economy grew 4.4% in the period under review. The blogmaster joins others to be concerned that the main reason for the growth was as a result of our main economic sector, TOURISM. Governor where are the green-shoots to kindle optimism that our export earnings are positioned to take off?
Nothing to see here!
Growth what! Neoliberal economy still does not know how to substract.
More generally, it has been good to see the criticality of the powers that be here again arrive at the point within a well established cycle where criticisms of the regime is centered.
It’s pass due!
Certainly, the environments around are not at all well.
Particularly, notions about freedom and democracy around the world are on the retreat.
We speak of the banning of demonstrations, free speech etc.
On economy the Western regimes seem to have abandoned the economic satisfaction their population have long yearned for.
Instead, a hieghtened militarism is the order of the day.
The war economy, long globalized, is where the real growth is, has been.
In any event these fallacious arguments about growth by an IMF agent at the CBoB are at best a concession that the economic elites and the political elites have conjoined to give us fascism, full blown!
And these are the two necessary but insufficient conditions that Mussolini insisted on within its first epoch.
Well I didn’t able to read the who Palabra so will just ask one question.
Has the TOTAL level of economic activity surpasses 2019 yet? That would be the pre covid year for those with short memories.
@John A
This is how the Governor phrased it:
Comparison to prior years was based on 9-month intervals. However you question is redundant because the reliance on tourism has not changed although the Governor was heard pushing his broad based growth narrative.
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Good news!!!
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You would think something as important as an electricity rate review would have been fast tracked and processed with urgency given the importance of energy cost as a key input to cost of living.
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ON TRACK!
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PM Mottley maybe telling the private sector, I have the last laugh for refusing to renew the consumer prices compact.
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Always a moving target by G7 to regulate and protect capital north south flows.
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Governor Greenidge should temper his expectations although a return to investment grade will be welcomed. Many financial institutions will remain investment shy for some time after.
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All of the articles in support are being cranked out this morning.
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@ David
He skirting around the real issue then?
After Covid when the economy lost roughly 20% one could only recover. From the bottom of the well you can only climb up. The question is based on how we spending, have we reached precovid levels of economic activity yet? We know we spending more, but where are we in real terms on the earning side?
As far as I can see we are still 4 years later basing our hopes on the one leg economy known as tourism.
Also if we have surpassed 2019 levels, where are we in real terms when one factors in a 3% inflation rate over say the last 4 years? The buying power of the average Bajan in other words is it better or worst 4 years after 2019, when all aspects are factored in?
@John A
As previously stated the blogmaster is more concerned about our foreign investment policy making. What are we doing to grow a more resilient economy. The governor mentioned being more resilient based on current broad based growth but his optimism is anchored in the tired traditional economic model. NTSH.
@ David
When I speak to growth in REAL TERMS this is an example of what I mean.
Say a person was working for $1000 a month and got a $100 raise he would of gotten a 10% increase.
If however the same person lived in an economy experiencing 6% inflation his salary increase in real terms or pocket terms, if you want to simplify it would be 4%.
Whether it’s a person or a country the same facts apply. It’s what you get to keep that matters not what you earn. That is what drives true growth and financial stability. They got fancy names like surplus and deficit bla bla bla, but in simple terms that’s how it pans out. If at the end it got a minus sign in front the number you getting poorer, if you got a plus sign you getting richer. Lol
@John A
Your example about real growth and its trickle down effect on Barbadians is to focus on the symptoms of a dying economic model. Our economy by definition is an open one. All efforts by policymakers must be to introduce measures to mitigate risks that will inevitably come from exogenous impacts.
Can I ask what statistics are not included in this increase?
Do we track sex tourism arrivals/spending? Difficult to track?
Do we have a crude estimate of the contribution of May/September romances to the economy? Difficult to estimate?
Do we know what is the healthcare costs (diseases/emotional/psychiatric) for the young boys and girls involved in tourism? Sexual questionnaire being developed.
Doesn’t it strike you as strange that everywhere except the Caribbean is aware of sex tourism? Difficult to admit?
@ David
You see it is ok to speak of growth but we must always remember to ask growth from where? Growth in terms of what?
For example in 2021 and 2022 we faced a rate of inflation that most had never seen, or the older ones may have seen in the 70s. So with inflation rates say of 8 to 9 percent in 2021 and 2022 you can imagine the increase in earnings one would need to have made to keep pace with that. Basically it would have been impossible to compete there.
So all this report thing is good, but to me and for a country, my question is ” is the average Bajan better off today than in 2019?” To that I say the answer is no, as their salary has not kept pace with inflation and especially not the hyper inflation seen as a result of covid.
@John A
We understand the Governor is resorting to using traditional economic indicators to tell his story. It is what he is trained to do.
#nationalcrisis
https://x.com/cbcbarbados/status/1718405038186328412
We see Mottley dancing in the crotch of her political opponents, if one may so ascribe.
Indeed, a one-party state. What a political gift has Stuart and his regime created for her!
And with the fools leading the DLP this one-party stateism has been fossilized.
Moreover, it’s quite easy to beat up on a Carpentarian sock puppet of a DLP.
A DLP which over two elections could not even muster the seat of EWB in St.John.
Maybe Mottley just exercised some political muscle to give the brassbowls a sense of blood in the water.
Mottley even cuss people like Bushie who care not about either. Her reasoning is that any criticism of her must be coming from the dead dlp or pretend independents, like she presented Caswell Franklyn to be.
And in these conditions the dead dlp remains as misguided to have another Sandiford, another Stuart, another Mascol, another Depeiza, a man who was recently well predisposed to either tribe, a man who seems not to have any ability to carry the party financially, a man who lacks any iota of charisma, making sure that the dead never rises again, far less beat a political elephant like Mottley.
Is the way to go. Joining China, Russia, Cuba and a growing host of nations.
Mottley has brassbowls in a political church as another day of propaganda beckons😇😇😇😇😇😇😇
gets re-elected. He can join Putin and Xi as he invades Canada and Mexico. That gives him more natural resources and a massive population with a more defendable southern border. The Americas aligned. A trilingual Nation.
The PM is making the case that economic growth is dependent on population growth.
@Sargeant
What is the solution? It is easy to be critical.
Read Russell’s article.
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Keep hope alive.
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as Russia Central Bank jarks interest rates by 2% to 15%. Though inflation only hit 6% in September, this is considered high vs the 4% target.
The Rouble has lost 25% to the weak US dollar since the Ukraine operation began.
As Ukraine gets the focus, Russia has been slipping into every facet of Georgia. Home to a growing Russia population as people fled conscription.
You can check out anytime, but you can never leave!!
John A has explained this situation in as simple terms as can be imagined.
That this analysis escapes the Governor is a MUCH more frightening scenario than is Bushie’s initial instinct that he is just faithfully seeking to support the Empress’ insistence that she is fully clothed….
Suppose the Gov REALLY cannot see the folly of judging ‘growth’ by using GDP numbers in an economy that is plagued with rampant inflation?
How the Hell could he then see the critical value of INNOVATION, CREATIVITY, MAXIMIZING PRODUCTIVITY, and of SUCCESSFUL LEADERSHIP in ANY hope of future growth?
…he may ACTUALLY BELIEVE that we just need more brass bowls in the place…
LOL
From the Governor’s assessment, the higher prices rise in the supermarkets, the higher will be the GDP, … and the more ‘solid’ will be the national ‘growth…’
…our donkeys are headed for a steep cliff….
If we go by inflation the Barbados never even had real growth if you go beck further that one year when making ur comparison. The alway present inflation alway outstrip the wages increases
example once u could get 10 flying fish for a $. U can barely get one for a $ today so where we better off back then than we are now?
@John 2
What are we discussing, nominal growth or real growth. As Bush Tea stated we need to educate the public and stop feeding them with glossy presentations. Then again, Barbadians are labeled an intelligent people.
@ John2
“…..so where we better off back then than we are now?”
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Or put another way…
Maybe worse off today than we were back then…
Perhaps you are now seeing how it is, that slavery NEVER ENDED.
It just transformed from physical bondage with iron chains, to economic and psychological enslavement …with chains on the minds of brass bowls.
When I look at the houses and amount of cars in bim the over all living conditions back then compared to now I can never say we are worse off now than back then because inflation was a lot lower
And yes -The economy is much larger now than back then even though inflation alway outstrip wages increases (overall )
All the houses and cars are being financed from cash or credit? Also is the requirement to borrow more stringent than before? The other point to make is where are you drawing the line to support your casual observation.
Also, what EXACTLY does ‘better off’ mean?
If we measure in terms of material possessions, then we can just find a benefactor to lend us about $200 billion so that we all become immediate millionaires, BUT then we must agree to all and any terms imposed on our donkeys via the ‘concessional loan’.
If we are talking about INDEPENDENCE, and standing on our own two feet, and being able to speak our minds as WE see fit, and being ‘satellites on none, but friends of all’….
Then this ‘material progress’ represents being MUCH WORSE off…
But many brass bowls are comfortable once they have vaseline…
@Bush Tea
We can raise the bar by saying, are we seeing an increased level of innovation and creativity in the country? If yes how is it being translated to increasing export earning. How is it being translated in a wholesome society which captures the intangible characteristics of ‘helping your sister and brothers, old people etc. what is the use of growth and our quality of life is going down the toilet?
It if now, does it mean an ineffective use of resources and debt/borrowing acquired?
“example once u could get 10 flying fish for a $. U can barely get one for a $ today so where we better off back then than we are now?”
I try to avoid heavy lifting, but every now and then I see a stone that I think that I can lift. I may fail but I will try
🙂
@J2: Are you saying that we are 10 times worse off the before?
How do I factor in the fact that my neighbor would once give me some free sweet potatoes but now I have to buy them from him? It could be even worse than we thought.
🙂 🙂 🙂
What makes using GDP such a terrible metric is also the debt trap it creates. The guidance from IMF and its acolytes is lower your debt to GDP so you can borrow more money from us and our friends IDB, World Bank etc. on projects that in theory should increase GDP. Successive governments grab at the money and use it for poorly thought out projects with inflated costs (after all they have to feed their friends and fund the next election).
Initially things look better because shovel ready projects employ people right away. The governor and friends are then quick to show the debt to GDP is on a downward trend but repairing a long overdue road will not bring new businesses, building jet bridges will not increase airlift, buying electric or ICE buses will not ease traffic and launching a digital ID will not make government more effective or efficient.
The fact is the only thing the country ends up producing more of is debt, both government debt and consumer debt but whereas in the past most of the consumer debt was for property ownership and education, now it is for cars and consumption.
@Redguard
Spot on!
Houses financed – they must have an income to justify the financing. Compared to back in the day when u had to finance a board at a time
Anyhow u two trying to push me into another discussion
Was just point out that the no real growth because of inflation or high inflation don’t carry water
Check the inflation graph in the CB report
2020 the lowest inflation in las 4/5 yrs. We we better off then than we were in 2019 or today because we had higher inflation?
In 2020 is whe the economy tanked because of covid
GDP down bout 20%. (Or should that be readjusted because of the low to negative inflation. ) unemployment about 50%. Etc
T0
How would ur example be factored into or recorded in the CB report? Or do u think all that kind of stuff should be in the reports?
Leaving now so won’t respond today
@David
What is the solution? It is easy to be critical.
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That wasn’t a criticism more likely an observation, but I was surprised at the territories to which the comparison was made as they are hardly economic powerhouses, but Singapore has been overused. A cynic may query what the respective populations were of e.g., Jamaica and Trinidad, two islands with more natural resources and what economic benefit did they derive from any significant increase in population during the same period.
I leave the heavy lifting around economics to those who are more qualified however the PM spoke of a “problem” but didn’t propose a solution but perhaps she and her cabinet are working overtime to come up with a remedy before publicly announcing policy to address the challenge.
For the most of the past 60-70 years we have encouraged our citizens to leave via BOAC/Pan Am and SS Surriento to seek greener pastures, indeed we have extolled the benefits derived from those citizens through remittances but now we are (according to the PM) seeing the flip side of those policies.
There is no magic bullet.
😀
Took me a while to figure out who was TO.
My example was merely to poke at you. My resume has “unable to perform heavy lifting. Can spot a scam from miles away.”
Can you imagine John( 🐇/🐰) working in the Central Bank of Barbados?
Suddenly, you have numbers showing that the Bajans economy is much larger and growing faster than that of China.
Without knowing it, we dodged a bullet.
Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that the Governor is not correct in the figures he supplied, what I am saying though is that those figures do not speak to the economic reality of the average Barbadian.
As Bush Tea pointed out in the GDP is the factor of inflation which many Don’t understand. For instance if the economy was a shop and the prices in the shop all increased due to inflation, then the GDP of the shop would increase. What happens though to those poor bajans that have to buy groceries in that shop? Are they better off now because the shop has achieved a higher GDP or are they in fact poorer?
Reality vs presentation.
Mistake here is the an economy is not just a shop. In an economy if prices in that shop is too high for the customer and they seek the goods else where then what is going to happen to that shop goods and gdp? I understand what u trying to show but u cannot put one shop in a vacuum and compare it to a Dynamic economy
And as I said before inflation was with us from the beginning. Not just now
U guys are using inflation to water down the good news of positive growth
View the graphs below u will see when we were experiencing higher level of inflation we were also experiencing negative gdp growth
So although ur one shop example may seems true to you it is not
Inflation is just another statistic
https://tradingeconomics.com/barbados/inflation-rate
https://tradingeconomics.com/barbados/inflation-rate
@david
Financing was also with us. It great to see the we can afforded house and transportation especial the credit union. I remember when we had to finance school uniforms via the coolie and food iteams via the village shop
@John2
You have a warp sense of reality. It is not about what has happened historically, it is about now, today. There has been a big shift how families and communities structure their lives in a today’s world.
Put another way ask the average person who runs a home and has not received a sizable raise between 2019 and today, if they have more money in their wallet before payday now than in 2019?
Below is a simple way of calculating if you are better off today than before.
After tax earnings – expenses = surplus/deficit.
@John A
Is it fair to also say that a government has to address the macroeconomic situation before it can benefit the man in the street? Can you do both given the state of the Barbados economy in the last 15 years or so?
And I am saying. That has be happening from the time Adam was a lad.
Tell me any period in time where the Barbados was appreciating for the average person in Barbados?
According to ur argument it would be when we had negative inflation and when we did have negative inflation is when the Barbados economy was negative
Wages never keep up with inflation in bim
The 4 % increase in gdp help gov to pay the one time payment and 6% raise over two yrs without increasing taxes and too large a deficit
The kill increase will not cover the whole inflation but it will help
It does not matter. Use the analogy of the government having to restructure to burn debt. What was the equivalent action by consumers? This is not a binary issue.
John2
“too large a deficit”
I thought we were in surplus trajectory?
@ David
To be honest I think the reason why many Bajans pay little attention to the CB report is they would say ” it don’t help me cause things tight.”
In other words the formal presentation does not reflect what they are feeling in their day to day life. I also believe that inflation is the least understood issue in Barbados today. In other words how does inflation affect me and how come with growth at 4% I catching my tail every month?
Some here would like to remove the topic of inflation all together from this discussion, but you don’t take the central bank report into Massy when you shopping! So in the same country where economist say things are growing, the welfare department may say we have more people coming for assistance then ever before.
So let me ask you this, which country below would you prefer to live in for the past 5 years not having received a raise over that period?
Country A has growth of 3% but inflation of 1 % on average over the last 5 years.
Country B has growth of 4% but inflation of 3.5% on average over the last 5 years.
Although country B may have achieved higher growth than country A, in which country do you think the month end liquidity of the average person would be higher? Or in Bajan terms where you think ” he would catch he ass less in?” Lol
@John A
Agree that people feel it in their pockets most and this informs their reality. However, there is a general view that Barbadians have been living above their means for many years and successive governments, like most, pander to the wants of the many.
Where do we go from here?
A truly great Prime Minister would eradicate poverty in Barbados.
buh doan mine me. I is just a born Bajan living in Canada cause I can’t afford
to live in Barbados given my multiplicity of comorbidities.
The best idea I had for a long time is to give John( 🐇/🐰) a post at the Central Bank.
Numbers appearing And disappearing by magic. Instead of one decimal place we get seven decimal places (4.3927501%) for growth. Every state department running a surplus. Mathemagic gone mad
Statwistic got the IMF in knoxs
(excuse my mangling of the word knots … The cheap poke was there and I could not leave it alone)
Did you see my new word … Mathemagic
@David
Where can we find “Barbados Fiscal Framework 2023-2024 to 2025-2026”?
@NO
There is ready mention to the resolution but no posting online that one can find. The best bet is to pay a visit to the Government printery unless Artax is able to use his superior research skills to assist.
David, try Parliament’s website.
Posted on behalf of John A
https://barbadosunderground.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Prices-965×1024.png
NorthernObserver, go to Parliament’s website and enter the document’s name. It’s a pdf file….. 35 pages. But, that’s if the document I read, is the one you’re looking for.
Thanks Artax, here is the link.
https://www.barbadosparliament.com/uploads/sittings/attachments/35e7f35a2cc3164bede4a82b42e99fc9.pdf
David
I have nothing against financing especially for housing first and transportation second if u can afford it they are usually necessities for some and all may not be as fortunate as u to buy them cash.
Over and out for today
@ John2
For God sake stop confusion or attempting to red wash what is a simple thing.
IF INFLATION OUT PACES SALARY GROWTH YOU ARE POORER. IF SALARY GROWTH OUTPACES INFLATION YOU ARE RICHER.
IF YOU SPEND MORE THAN YOU EARN YOU RUN A DEFICIT. IF YOU SPEND LESS THAN YOU EARN YOU RUN A SURPLUS.
The above rules apply whether you are a shop, a country, a housewife, or a party Faithfull. Nothing anyone says can change that, be they a politican or COB governor, as they are the basic laws of economics.
I want you to provide verifiable info as to one period of time when babbados salary growth outstrip inflation y/y and y/. W/5 etc
Do that I I will apologize to the blog for confusing / attempting to red wash what suppose to be a simple thing
Im simply asking u to tell us when we have ever gotten richer instead of alway (year after year = period after period ) gotten poorer.
When u finally come to the conclusion that we are alway becoming poorer and never once became richer since the Bajan dolllar came into circulation then my question to u would be. Why all the hallaboo about inflation at this point beside to be a red herring in an attempt to water down the positives of the 4% growth?
Can you provide verifiable proof where banks were paying less than 1% on savings, there was a lack of confidence in government securities and citizens had to take a haircut on government bonds? This is not a binary matter.
Steuspe.
Check ur archive
Expect less tourists from Canada.
https://headtopics.com/ca/canadian-economy-on-brink-of-recession-as-interest-rates-48171141
@David @Artax
Thanks for finding the document 👍
Calling on a braniac
I am hearing digital, Afreximbank, buying and selling in each nation’s currency without having to convert to US but I am not hearing a word of BITT.
What became of BITT? Is it still out there?
I think I will have to start taking notes, if I am to stay here.
@ David 5.19 pm on 31st
Thanks for posting the pricelist David. Ok so for those that think inflation should not be discussed with growth, I invite them to look at the restaurant price list that was posted by David. It shows the retail prices in 1975 which existed at a popular beach bar on the south coast.
The good old days when a hamburger was 60 cents and hot dog was 45 cents. Lol
Interesting
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“Posted on behalf of John A”
@ David
According to John A, the link “shows the retail prices in 1975 which existed at a popular beach bar on the south coast.”
Perhaps you could encourage him to EXPLAIN the POINT he’s attempting to make.
However, the following excerpts were taken from a 1995 IMF working paper I read, entitled: “Barbados, recent economic developments.”
“From the mid-1960s through the 1970s Barbados experienced virtually uninterrupted growth, reflecting the rapid expansion of the tourism and manufacturing industries under the impulse of improvements in infrastructure, increased promotion of Barbados as a tourist destination, and fiscal incentives to hotels and manufacturing.”
“However, the rise of these two industries attracted resources away from agriculture, which contributed to setting agriculture on a downward path.
Also, underlying problems with competitiveness emerged in the manufacturing and tourism sectors in the course of the 1980s.
The increasingly inefficient manufacturing sector was being protected by tariff and nontariff barriers which, together with increases in taxation, raised the costs of many inputs of the tourism industry above those of Barbados’ competitors.”
It is interesting to note Barbados’ inflation rate also spiked in the early 1970s, reaching a peak of 39% in 1975.
I’ll also invite you to read a Central Bank of Barbados working paper dated July 22, 1986 and entitled:
“Inflation and the personal income tax in Barbados, 1970-81.”
“The paper examined the Barbadian income tax structure for the period 1970-81 during most of which double digit inflation prevailed. Using income tax returns for the period, it showed how inflation affected levels of taxation as the authorities made no effort to adjust the tax structure.”
Although the prices of items on the list are relatively cheap when compared with current prices, I’m sure the average Barbadian at that time, could not afford to eat at the ‘popular south coast beach bar,’ especially when one considers the average weekly wage in the 1970s.
Also, it would be reasonable to assume that establishment catered predominantly to tourists.
And we all know prices at such places are usually much more expensive than at the local village shop, even to this day.
@ Artax
What I am showing is the price of a item on a menu in 1975 compared to what it is today. So if we take say 15 different items in 1975 and compare the cost with today it will give us an idea of the rate of increase on those items over the period. What is the rate of increse over the 50 odd years compared to the rate of ones earnings for example?
I remember speaking to a manager of a floor in a leading retail operation in Bridgetown in the 70s, who told me he bought a Datsun 1600 with his Xmas Bonus. Can anyone now for example buy a toyota corolla with their Xmas bonus?
I think we focus too much on issues that the average Barbadian cant relate to. We need to try and get over to people what all these numbers mean in their wallet, hence help them to conserve.
For instance a car sale increses GDP which is a good thing, but what does it do its buyer financial position? It does not appreciate hence can not be seen as an asset that offers a return unless its a taxi etc. So after say 5 years what is the effect on GDP vs the effect on the car buyer?
My point is that everything numeric in gains does not necessarily mean a gain to the citizens.
Not good.
https://barbadostoday.bb/2023/11/01/public-notice-increased-wait-times-at-the-accident-and-emergency-department/
Not good up here either.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-paramedics-code-red-alert-1.7014067
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There is a difference between Spending power (increasing / decreasing ) and it effects on a persons getting richer / poor .
Positive inflation will decrease a poor person spending power
Negative inflation increase his spending power but will not make him one bit richer if he still have to spend all his money to survive.
U get richer if u are able to save/invest and that is so in both positive and negative inflation
U get poorer if u savings/investment ( accumulated wealth) decrease and that can happen positive and negative inflation
Two persons can have the same SALARY under the same economic/inflation conditions the one tha is able to save/invest the most from the salary is become richer than the other even though their spending power remain equal.
There is also a difference between salary and income
Some Bajan accumulated wealth ( got richer ) by supplementing their WAGES/SALARIES By addition income form backyard farming etc
Financing property/ home is another way of obtain generational wealth. If it is done through the credit Union then the interest comes back to the member and is another source of INCOME. The property/ house is then passed on to the children which can add to the becoming richer even though the spending power of the dollar is continuously being depleted
If the the parent die before the property is fully paid off the CU usually take out life insurance on the mortgagee and recover the full loan while the beneficiary receives the property fully paid off
Now I can accept that inflation cause a devaluation of the dollar / reduces it spending power. And I know that the poor struggle the hardest.
Again – when I see the amount of vehicles, the sizes of the houses and the reports of the billions in the banks and credit unions I can never accept that Barbados (over all ) is poorer today than we were 5, 10, 20…… yrs ago
Or that MM (either one or both) became the same rate poorer than John A last year
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Go exactly one year to the oct 22 3q annual report and see who it was the was trying to throw cold water on the former governor prediction of growth of the rate of growth for this year AND of a robust winter season and one will see the pattern forming
Same one who in the lost decade would be advising of the need to grow the economy