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Today is the scheduled NIS Town Hall for a concerned public to share feedback to the revelation our National Insurance Fund (NIF) needs another lifeline. In recent days the buzz is a concern the eligibility age for NIS pension will be extended to 72 years old.

The blogmaster is willing to bet Prime Minister Mottley being the political animal she is anticipated that NIS reform currently being contemplated will significantly deflate her popularity, she needs the time to implement reform and win back favour BEFORE the next general election, the perfect political gamble. Especially if she is serious about demitting office at that time. Therefore one of the reasons for an early general election call.

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413 responses to “NIS Town Hall – The Golden Chip”

  1. African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved Avatar
    African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    “All we need to fo is accept it as a culture that has been allowed to flourish. There is no accountability within the political halls of power.
    Now we are supposed to accept that a policy decision which caused the NIS to lose one billion dollars is no big thing. ”

    straight up, that’s the bottomline, they want everyone to ACCEPT THIS CRIMINALITY…..these LYING THIEVES……so they can continue pretending they are experts in neocolonial politics…WHILE THE PEOPLE SUFFER because of those THEFTS….

    do they even know or care WHY a World Food Program truck would be on the island….i only saw photo of one, there could very well be more………according to what was posted yesterday……the sleight of hand, if accurate…they can no longer IMPORT EXPENSIVE GARBAGE…these trucks are seen in countries that CANNOT FEED THEIR PEOPLE…

    did i not tell yall something scummier, skeezier is afoot, and they are using a useless town hall meeting to cover it up…

    wuh if ya tief BILLIONS of dollars over MANY DECADES………and no one can say where any of the money is……wuh YUH CAHN FEED DE PEOPLE because you and ya fella TIEVES holding the money…but ya feeding ya tiefing greedy corrupt selves though….and this is what the BU brigade seem to admire……..go figure.

  2. John A Avatar
    John A

    @ David

    To me the refinancing of the fund is the most important thing we need to do. More important that fixing roads or planning fetes. If the fund ever collapsed it could well mean the collapse of the Barbadian economy as well. Think of not only the social fall out but the economic fall out we would be facing. Most pensioners spend every cent of their pension money back in the economy. If this was to faulter what do you think would happen to our economy? I dont think alot of us have stopped to see the bigger picture here. Many are saying ” dat is a old people problem” not realising their supermarket job is also at stake here.

  3. David Avatar
    David

    @John A

    Unfortunately borrowing that about is not practical. The PM alluded to injecting about 77 million in the first year based on what is before her from the actuarial work done. One suspects this is the best path but would it conflict with a possible IMF rollover plan.

  4. David Avatar
    David

    @John A

    Sadly you may be correct about the contagion effect. It would define exert enormous pressure on private pension funds.

  5. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    / It A Ring
    / Trouble Again
    / Champion Sound
    / Rock Them One By One

    / #comments
    / Turn On The Heat
    / #KING JAMMY’S : SELECTOR’S CHOICE
    / Roots Reality and Sleng Teng
    Under Me Peter Green
    Under Me Sleng Ting


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=156lcxya03A

  6. John A Avatar
    John A

    @ David

    Her other option is to borrow $82 million a year for the next 12 years then!

    Point is you wrote it off and now you need it so it must be found one way or another.

  7. David Avatar
    David

    @John A

    Yes they can do that however the concern will be to address the threats and weaknesses in order to avoid an encore 10 to 15 down the line. Given the current state the NIS model is not sustainable it seems .

  8. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    A question that must be asked:
    What would have driven the Minister of Finance to have made a decision
    that would have such deleterious effects on the NIS to the tune of one billion dollars.
    Remember we saw the catastrophe caused by the former minister’s obsession with printing money and over usage of NIS funds.
    How then could his successor come and further damage the fund and apparently is not being hall over the coals for such a decision.
    And where are all the voices of condemnation who were once so protective of the fund.
    Oh well, the civil servants did it.
    The archives of BU make interesting reading.

    Peace.

  9. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    Hauled not hall.

  10. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    Put up your hand
    when you see your enemy
    sing a song because them no ready

    Them people never like my Psalms 21
    You have to come with Revelation 3
    The people never like Revelation 1
    You have to sing a song of Psalms 21
    It’s a hard road to travel
    and a mighty long way to go
    I know that the strength of the Father
    will guide me along the way
    Yes I know

    They just a watch just a watch we
    They just a fight just fight fight we

    Jump up on one called E20
    Jump in a van to run the country
    Jah Jah knows he guide me you see

    E20

    Three Times A Lady Thanks for the times that you’ve given me, The memories are… Under Mi Sleng Teng Way in my brain, is way in my brain Is way…

  11. BAJE Avatar
    BAJE

    The above is a brief snapshot of when computers were introduced to the Barbados Gov’t 53 years ago and I am flummoxed at the suggestion that from that small beginning time there has been a failure by the Gov’t “to computerize and bring modern technology”

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    LET ME ADDRESS THIS AS I LET THIS TALK ABOUT COMPUTERS/IT PASSED YESTERDAY.

    I PREVIOUSLY SUPPLIED AROUND BD$400,000 OF DELL BRAND NEW COMPUTERS AT THE TIME UNDER A LEASE AROUND 3 YEARS TO THE NIS WHEN IAN CARRINGTON WAS IN CHARGE.

    THE NIS HAD ALL THE RELEVANT SOFTWARE NEEDED TO FUNCTION EFFECIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY HOWEVER IF YOU HAVE ‘SMART’ INDIVIDUALS WHO KNOW HOW TO WORK THE SYSTEMS AND BENEFIT FINANCIALLY BECAUSE OF NO PHYSICAL OVERSIGHT BY MANAGEMENT WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMPLICIT IN SCAMS.

    ASO SUPPLIED WITH EITHER IBM OR DELL ON THE 2 X 3 ISLAND:

    CORPORATE AFFAIRS
    COMMUNITY COLLEGE
    URBAN AFFAIRS
    HIV COMMISSION
    MINISTRY OF EDUCATION
    CENTRAL PURCHASING
    DATA PROCESSING

    WILL STOP THERE THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE TECHNOLOGY BUT THE INDIVIDUAL WORKING IN THE DEPARTMENTS WITH NO OVERSIGHT OR COMPLICIT WITH OTHERS TO FLEECE THE SYSTEM FOR FINANCIAL GAIN ETC.

  12. BAJE Avatar
    BAJE

    ONE LAST INPUT ON THIS TOPIC:

    I WAS ONCE APPROACHED BY AN ACCOUNTANT IN THE MINISTRY OF TRANSPORTATION WHO ALSO FREELANCED IN OTHER MINISTRIES DEPARTMENTS MOVING AROUND.

    I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION SO THAT AS THEY PROCESSED CHECKS THEY COULD HAVE THEM INPUTED IN A COMPUTERISED SYSTEM WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO STORE AND RETRIEVE AT WILL UNDER SPECIFIC SEARCH CATEGORIES.

    I RECOMMENDED A PARTICULAR MICR CHECK VERIFIER AND GOT ONE OF MY TECHNICAL GUYS TO WRITE A SHORT CUSTOMISED PROGRAM TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED.

    BEFORE I SENT IN A QUOTATION I TOLD THE ACCOUNTANT IT WOULD COST AROUND BD$6000 HE SAID SEND IT IN FOR BD$18,000 SO HE COULD GET A CUT.

    HE THEN SAID AS HE MOVED AROUND MOST OF THE GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS HE COULD GET A SIMILAR SOLUTION AS THEY ALL HAD THE SAME ISSUES AND THAT EACH WOULD BE BILLED FOR THE SAME BD$18,000 IM MORE THAN 12 DEPARTMENT IN OTHER MINISTRIES.

    THIS WILL GIVE A SNAPSHOT OF HOW THINGS ARE DONE ON THE 2 X 3 ISLAND.

  13. African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved Avatar
    African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    tief not, want not,,,

    now they are in PERMANENT, IRREVERSIBLE debt….

    the people are the ones to suffer with children for generations to come…..because of their scams and heists…

    told yall YEARS AGO….leave these scum with their billion dollar debt,,,it’s theirs and their criminal partners, it does NOT BELONG TO THE PEOPLE….

  14. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Sargeant
    SargeantOctober 4, 2014 10:46 AM

    @David
    No Sargeant todays lingo in IBM mainframes is as400.
    ++++++++++
    “I was making light of the technology that existed in 1969 that was available to the Gov’t and linking it to today’s problems. Incidentally the technology in those early computers is less than what exists in my IPad or phone today.” (Sargeant)

    That’s the exact point I tried to make. Technology is not stagnant, it changes by the hour. Hence to talk about Barnes and Company (@DPD) and some computer given to the Data processing unit in 1969 (Sarge) all of that history bears no relevance to today’s reality.

    Peace.

  15. African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved Avatar
    African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    BAJE….standard operating procedures (SOP)……..for the last half century from these FRAUDS…

    started by the politicians who would order medicines from florida or whereever for the QEH and bill the taxpayers 3 and 4 times the amount because they must have their cut….still happening…

    same thing recently with the port scammers….costing a few thousand when we googled them and embarrassed THE LIAR……..but someone the politician’s mathematics concluded that they cost multi-MILLIONS…. same with the garbage trucks that cost so much less from manufacturers……..all for their cut…

  16. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    Back to the matter in hand
    We are living in a serious times
    “The Golden Chip” in the title is an Enigma

    What does it mean?!
    Is it a token Chip for gambling in a Casino? /
    Is it a Chip on the Shoulder of the people? /
    Is it the Microchip for a Hi-Tex Computer? /

    This is about the story that has never been told
    Let me tell you all about the African Gold
    UK Government won’t admit liability for torturing Mau Mau which they settled out of Court
    UK Government won’t admit liability for slavery and the tricks they played on me
    GoB won’t admit liability for spunking the NIS Pension Pot and Unemployment Benefits

    Anyway beloveds /
    Back to lessons /
    Dancehall 101 /

    Tenor Saw – Golden Hen
    Tic a tic a toc, tic a tic a toc
    My golden hen, my golden hen
    Tic a tic a toc, my golden hen

    Tic a tic a toc, my golden hen
    She layin’ eggs for the gentlemen
    Sometime nine and sometime ten, oh
    And whenever she lay, she make an alarm
    Cotcotcotcot me lay out, lay out, whoa
    Lay out, whoa, whoa

    Searching from morning for my golden hen, hey
    Got a little girl at my home
    She wake up this morning, she didn’t eat no breakfast, no
    She wake up this morning, she no eat no breakfast
    She leave at my home and she faint in the cab
    She gives my neighbourhood a lots of remarks
    Lots of remarks, she gives him lots of remarks
    Lots of remarks, it was not my fault
    When she faint in the cab (Lord God know)
    Hey little girl don’t be like a rolling calf, oh
    Before the wind you gonna be like a chaff
    If you live like a rolling calf, no oh
    Don’t live like a rolling calf, no

    Tic a tic a toc, my golden hen
    She layin’ eggs for the gentlemen
    Sometime nine and sometime ten, whoa-oh
    Whenever she lay, Lord, she make an alarm
    Cotcotcotcot me lay out, lay out, lay out
    Lay out, whoa, lay out, whoa

    But I’ve been searching from morning
    For my golden hen, whoa
    Well, I’ve been searching from morning, morning
    For my golden hen
    Because she’s my best friend
    Because she’s my best friend
    Searching from morning, morning
    Because she’s my best friend, whoa-oh, whoa

    Tic a tic a toc, my golden hen
    Come on back, come on back
    Tic a tic a toc, my golden hen
    Come on back, Lord, come on back
    Whoa-oh, I beg you please come on back, girl, so

    Tic a tic a toc, my golden hen
    She layin’ eggs for the gentlemen
    Sometime nine and sometime ten, whoa-oh
    And whenever she lay, she make an alarm
    Cotcotcotcot me lay out, me lay out
    Lay out whoah, lay out, whoa

    Girl, you know that I love you badly
    I wouldn’t like to end up sadly
    Girl, you know that I love you badly
    I wouldn’t like to end up sadly
    Girl, come on, girl come on
    Don’t be a run around, don’t be a run around
    Please come home

    (..)

    Tic a tic a toc, my golden hen
    She layin’ eggs for the gentlemen
    Sometime nine and sometime ten, whoa-oh
    Whenever she lay, she make an alarm, whoa-oh..

  17. African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved Avatar
    African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    William…there have been warnings FOR YEARS….while these are hot and sweaty to introduce some crypto scam on the people….apparently now they will BE RESTRICTED from that heist..

    the one scam they have worked overtime on BUT COULD NEVER GET OFF THE GROUND….

    “UN Agency Urges Authorities to Curb Cryptocurrency Expansion in Developing Countries

    A United Nations trade body has recommended a set of policy actions to “curb the expansion of cryptocurrencies in developing countries.” The intergovernmental group stressed that if cryptocurrencies become a widespread means of payment, it could jeopardize the monetary sovereignty of countries.”

    UNCTAD is a permanent intergovernmental body established by the United Nations General Assembly in 1964. It is part of the U.N. Secretariat. The group reports to the U.N. General Assembly and the Economic and Social Council. UNCTAD has 195 member states and 204 projects in 70 countries, its website shows.

    “Global use of cryptocurrencies has increased exponentially during the Covid-19 pandemic, including in developing countries,” the group noted. “While these private digital currencies have rewarded some, and facilitate remittances, they are an unstable financial asset that can also bring social risks and costs.”

  18. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @William, for all practical purposes I would clarify that for me corruption is not ONLY inbred in all Bajans but in my TnT family (where the term ‘bobol’ was made famous) and all others across the globe.

    There is absolutely no differentiation with your duopoly hypothesis and that presented by others about the endemic corruption ‘gene’ … you simply want to hang your ‘hat’ on that political peg as, I can only presume, it better aligns with your philosophical outlook! So be it.

    However, for you to opine that “… in my opinion they [the two political parties] have allowed, encouraged and engaged in widespread corruption” is amazingly tortuous psychologically and philosophically.

    WHERE did that intent, desire and interest in being corrupt originate @William? Where?

    Does it automatically appear as soon as a Bajan is elected; or does it come about when they decide to run!

    Who started the political parties, brother. Did Adams have a proclivity for corruption, or did Barrow or Tom or Bree!

    Did Thommo develop his in 6th form at Waterford, in George St. or back in England at birth!

    And what about his dear spouse did she grow that part of her persona after she met him or at the feet of her deeply political parents!

    Tell me bro, as a simple example, are any and all of dem Bajan men who disgustingly abuse their girl children corrupt of mind and soul or not ! …. and did they learn and develop THAT form of corrupted gene from the bad politicians!

    Or where did any of the Bajans who stole money from their employer or parents or their friend learn their corruption !

    Your argument simply does NOT make logical sense: psychological aberrations CANNOT be conveniently removed from the society in which it is found and blamed on some singular segment of that same society UNLESS there are UNIQUE characteristics infused into that same segment that are NOT originally found in the overall society.

    Can you please tell the blog what unique elements were so infused to our politicians that made them more prone to corruption than their fellow citizens!

    Thanks brother.

    I gone.

  19. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @William I saw this late so excuse this additional post.

    Looka, there are some things I post for clarity; some I take FOR GRANTED the smart folks here OVERstand without nah lotta long talk and then some I would not say out loud (like @Mr Baje) … so for clarity sake.

    SERIOUSLY you said dat @William re: “That’s the exact point I tried to make. Technology is not stagnant, it changes by the hour. Hence to talk about Barnes and Company (@DPD) and some computer given to the Data processing unit in 1969 (Sarge) all of that history bears no relevance to today’s reality.

    Brother, you are really off your game here!

    The POINT made by citing BBM and the local IBM office’s (and many others) sales efforts back then was to HIGHLIGHT the simple fact that our government had access to VIABLE TECHNOLOGY TOOLS for many years and that BASIC operational stuff SHOULD NOT be discussed as being insurmountable and definitely not the reason for being unable to cross reference deaths between depts!

    @William any and all of us here MUST be familiar with Moore’s law even if not by name: Absolutely computer tech improves rapidly as microchips get better, faster and smaller every few years.

    So again. I say … seriously you misconstrued my reference and @Sargeants as you did. SMH!

    And all I would say re @Baje’s remark is again we see how so many people are complicit in the corruption malaise…

    Edutech has been cited by many as one of the most corrupted public affairs programs in Barbados … the blogger just further opened the lid beyond that on the pervasive nature of business life on the island.

    I had the pleasure (and displeasure in some cases) like him of operating here, regionally and beyond so all I would say is that what he described is ABSOLUTELY NOT specific to Bim!

    I gone, gone again ..

  20. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ DPD
    It will be difficult to find a response so eloquent that bears no reality to what I have said.
    I have never opined that the only group in Barbados that is corrupt is the politicians. However, I cannot accept that we are all corrupt.
    My major thesis is about the two major parties encouraging a culture of corruption and doing precious little to impede it.
    I cannot answer whether people become corrupt when they became politicians neither can I say that they were corrupt before they became politicians. However the same applies to the civil servant or the bank worker.
    All I am saying is that once corruption is promoted and endorsed by those who lead, it would spread.
    What you and others are trying to establish is that everybody born corrupt. That’s not what I am dealing with.
    So, if we are all corrupt or born corrupt let’s just try to be the baddest in the pond .That is the only conclusion I can come to at this point.
    I have never seen so convincing a defense of political corruption on BU until the last twenty four or so hours.
    It shows that whenever all is said and done even a corrupt political order would have some extremely fluent defenders.
    Yes , my dear Brother, I have determined that a culture of political corruption has been engineered by the the two political parties that were supposed to uphold the highest office of governance and integrity in public life. They made a very conscious decision not to do so.
    Peace.

  21. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @DpD
    Thanks for the clarification Re: technology. As for @ Baje. I also noted the reference to Edutech. It was indeed a rather shady operation
    Peace

  22. African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved Avatar
    African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    wuh i glad enuff the gravy train RAN OUT of gravy….

    let them tief the loans signed for in the people’s name….they are not shy about that one either….

    …they already made one radical attempt to swipe approx 50 million or more….right under the noses of the IMF……am sure there have been several such attempts since then….

    when they can’t repay the alphabet entities…..it’s THEM THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO….cause they could care less about being accountable to the people…but when they see PRISON STARING BACK AT THEM…then they will know..

  23. African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved Avatar
    African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    “What you and others are trying to establish is that everybody born corrupt.”

    i would appreciate it if these CLOWNS SPOKE FOR THEMSELVES ONLY…

    “it does happen everywhere” has now morphed into “everybody born corrupt”….so what other idiocy and overwhelming IGNORANCE is next..

    anything to justify thievery and corruption from stinking politicians….

    i never stole anything from the treasury, vat or pension fund and if YOU HAVE AND WERE BORN CORRUPT….speak for yourself only..

  24. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    William Skinner August 17, 2022 7:26 AM #: “If you and others believe that corruption is inbred in every Bajan, that’s your opinion.”

    @Mr. Skinner

    You’re being disingenuous.

    “If others believe that corruption is inbred in EVERY Bajan,” I certainly DID NOT mention ANYTHING to SUGGEST I SHARE a SIMILAR belief.

    All I ‘said’ was, similarly to the fact there are corrupt politicians, whether or not you want to believe or accept it, some civil servants are corrupt as well.
    And, I provided the forum with examples to substantiate my claim.

    Also, it is NONSENSE for anyone to suggest ‘that ALL politicians are corrupt and civil servants accused of corruption are their followers, party members, family, friends, bed partners.’

    However, weren’t you an aspiring politician having ‘ran’ for the NDP?
    If you want us to believe ALL politicians are inherently dishonest and corrupt, does that mean you’re admitting to being corrupt as well?

    How about your ‘friend’ Hammie Lah? Do you believe he is corrupt also?
    Didn’t he defend the $11,000 a businessman who charged UDC to cut down an ‘ackee tree’…… under his watch as Minister of Social Transformation?

    Also, a Special Audit of the UDC revealed the following:

    … 5.64 Investigations revealed that a number of temporary posts at the UDC were not approved by the Ministry of the Civil Service as directed by the Cabinet.

    … 5.65 The Minister, under whose responsibility the UDC falls, supported and approved the creation of six temporary posts for the UDC. The approval of the Ministry of the Civil Service was however not sought. The Commission having been informed that the Minister had approved the posts, proceeded to fill the positions.”

    Is ‘Comrade Trevor Prescod another corrupt politician?
    Or, is he excluded from that characterisation because he identifies as a Pan Africanist and both you and him share ideological and philosophical similarities?

  25. David Avatar
    David

    @Artax

    It is a useful reminder that the auditor general reports is primarily about a review of business done by public servants in the public sector, not to exempt politicians who have policy responsibility.

    We can’t have it both ways if we take the AG’s reports seriously. When we talk about corruption – it requires more than one hand to clap.

  26. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet


    “you are 1000% correct this clique on here comprising Waru, Skinner, Bush Tea and Pacha main aim on here is in my view to pull down this elected government at all cost.”


    “The 0, Harold Harry Hal Austin, Bushman, Afrika Dub are big fans [of AC Angela mariposa Cox]”

    Perhaps all of these fellows with their male complex
    and excessive testosterone with a deficiency in Estrogen or oestrogen
    love stupid women and are afraid of intelligent women like Mama Mia
    (although I have a theory that even intelligent women are too emotional like these dirty fellows)

    Ring The Alarm (Quick)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbzXl_UsjCk

    estradiol, the predominant form of estrogen, also plays a critical role in male sexual function. Estradiol in men is essential for modulating libido, erectile function, and spermatogenesis.

  27. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    William Skinner August 17, 2022 10:20 AM

    RE: “What you and others are trying to establish is that everybody born corrupt.”

    In the interest of clarity, please identify those persons and their comments that gave you the impression they’re trying “to establish everybody born corrupt?”

    RE: “I have never seen so convincing a defense of political corruption on BU until the last twenty four or so hours.”

    Again, in the interest of clarity, please identify where in the comments of those individuals who contributed to the issue so far, gave you the impression they are “defending political corruption?”

    All that has happened is after realizing you were advancing a SILLY ARGUMENT, you decided to PURPOSELY MISREPRESENT what persons actually mentioned so as to take control and make yourself appear as being correct…. a form of redirection.

    It’s similar to someone setting, answering and matking his own exam questions,……and then, declaring himself to be a genius.

  28. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    “It is a useful reminder that the auditor general reports is primarily about a review of business done by public servants in the public sector, not to exempt politicians who have policy responsibility.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~

    @ David

    I’m aware of the purpose of the Auditor General’s reports.
    I made a similar comment in a previous contribution and was told I was defending politicians.

    However, I don’t understand your comments or the basis for them.

  29. David Avatar
    David

    @Artax

    The comment is a reminder as stated corruption is not something we can ascribe to one or the other group. A politician needs a complicit public servant to engage in corruption.

  30. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    “…but as we can clearly see, posting has become a pappy show for some to post endless shite that has no substance, bears no resemblance to reality, and is counterproductive to any progress…”
    ~~~~~~~~~~

    Agreed…… 100%.

    Posting 80% of contributions, some of which are IRRELEVANT, to every thread is definitely “counterproductive to any progress.”

    “LESS IS MORE.”

  31. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    Let us have a toast for the solidarity of the middle classes.. I know this is not the 80s when people were entitled to voice strong opinions against racial minorities women and gays.. but I would like to make a stand like a psyops internet troll on the main stream “underground” and sing some lyrics in a computer style sound vibration with the chorus about banning the brassbowelry slavery duopoly by any means necessary

    E20 (Dub Version)

  32. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Artax
    My views are opened to critique, and so is everybody else’s.
    As I have pointed out , I don’t know who is was born a genetic crook whether they are politicians or public servants.
    I believe that what I have read here is a deliberate attempt to let politicians off the hook therefore I see it as a defense of their corruption. Others have said that I only want to blame politicians.
    I don’t think that is what I said. I merely said that they have nurtured and nourished the corruption.
    I stand by that.
    I have deduced from what I have read that since the politicians come from amongst us , we have the same inclinations. I can’t buy that.
    Finally , when corruption was raised in this forum before , I don’t think that the spotlight fell on public servants , in as strong terms , as is now the case.
    I rest my case for now.
    Peace.
    .

  33. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    @ David

    Okay, now I understand the point you’re trying to make.

    However, if you were to read the UDC Special Audit report, for example, staff complained of being intimated by the Chairman and other directors.
    Something we should also take into consideration as well.

    UDC’s Response
    5.52 In response to a number of the issues raised, especially those relating to
    unauthorized loans and breaches of Internal control, the UDC management indicated as follows: – The approval and disbursement of the kind of loans highlighted were carried out to the exclusion of authorized staff of the Urban Development Commission During these periods of breaches and break-down in
    internal and other controls, (that is October to December 2002 and May 2003) the Director was not present at the Commission. Every internal procedure established to direct the operations of the Urban Enterprise Loan Scheme was overruled, superseded, by persons other than the management and staff of the Commission. UDC staff SUFFERED HUMILIATION by members of the Board, THREATS to their employment, COERCION to ACT in CAPACITIES BEYOND THEIR REMIT. VERBAL ABUSE and THREATS of physical violence by persons accessing the Commission’s services, commandeering of payment vouchers, applications to incur expenditure and Cheque books by persons other than the accounting officer.

  34. David Avatar
    David

    @Artax

    How would you categorize senior management at the SOEs? Politicians or public servants or quasi.

  35. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Artax
    I have never said that all politicians are inherently corrupt. And I actually don’t believe that .
    I simply said that the corruption is driven by the politicians and in many cases encouraged by them and the culture of corruption that they have refused to impede because it may benefit their cause.
    That’s it for me.

    Peace

  36. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    @ Mr. Skinner

    Last/last

    There isn’t anything you can ‘say’ to convince me that persons, by their contributions, ‘said’ people were “born genetic crooks” or that they are “defending politicians.”

    I cannot convince you otherwise.

    If you interpreted my ‘saying’ there are corrupt politicians and civil servants in Barbados to mean everyone is born corrupt and I’m defending politicians…… then, so be it.

    I’m not going to waste any more time trying to convince otherwise.

    We’re essentially ‘going around in circles.’

    ‘Let’s agree to disagree.’

  37. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    @ David

    Yes. I understand your point.

    I forgot the Chairman, board members, management are usually aspiring politicians, friends of the Minister or from his/her constituency…… with one common similarly…… being members of the incumbent political party.

  38. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @William, I will do like my fellow blogger and say: “last one” on this 🤣😎 … I have always been intrigued by psychology and that’s why I have long gone pass my post limits on this lil side debate!

    When you say ” I merely said that they have nurtured and nourished the corruption. I stand by that.” … do you reflect on the area in Developmental Psy of ‘NATURE VS NURTURE’.

    You noted that you ‘cannot answer whether people become corrupt when they became politicians neither can [you] say that they were corrupt before they became politicians. However the same applies to the civil servant or the bank worker.” … Or when you say that “I have deduced from what I have read that since the politicians come from amongst us , we have the same inclinations. I can’t buy that.” then what should I sell you then 😎… Afterall, that’s the genesis of any reasonable psychological debate of LIFE, not so!

    Are these characteristics inherently “nurtured” which is defined as ‘… the view that people are shaped by the environment around them, which includes people they meet, the culture they grow up in, the knowledge they encounter etc” or is it a natural (biological) occurrence innate to their life!!!

    In my view it’s both of course … but the point as it relates to our political leaders is that it STARTS before their political career.

    Thus to your point, ALL I (and others) AM saying is that we are all to blame .. there is NO coddling or any attempt WHATEVER to “let pols off the hook”. How can I lambaste myself and Bajans as having been nurtured and naturally inclined to some corrupt behaviors and then let the leaders slide free… NO brother they are the biggest criminals and should pay the harshest penalties but too many of us (never said ALL) facilitate that crooked behavior because as the blogger said above: some too are hoping for their handout!

    Anyhow, last, last on this matter of the psychological ‘mascara’ of my fellow Bajans!

    Later, bro.

  39. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    By Any Means Necessary (after Malcolm X) – Observe and Interpret

    The Title of my Next Book:
    “Under Me Sleng Teng Version Jammy’s Super Power Smashes the Brassbowelry Slavery Duopoly (by any means necessary)*”


    (*) By any means necessary is a translation of a phrase used by Martinican intellectual Frantz Fanon in his 1960 Address to the Accra Positive Action Conference …
    ..fight oppression and exploitation. The title of the painting, By Any Means Necessary, is a quote often used by Malcolm in public speeches to challenge his listeners to organize and take action to gain their rights, respect and freedom: “We want freedom by any means necessary”.

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    African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    “challenge his listeners to organize and take action to gain their rights, respect and freedom: “We want freedom by any means necessary”.

    and that’s what people are realizing they must do to ESCAPE THE REPEAT…..the replay……

  41. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    @ David

    It is important to note that the Chairman, other board members and management of state owned and quasi government organizations……

    …… are NOT career civil servants, similarly to those in ‘central government.’

    Therein lies the DIFFERENCE.

    While the Director/CEO is employed by contractual arrangements…… the Board members are paid a monthly stipend.

    And, all of them resign when there is a change of ‘government,’…… or management is subsequently terminated to be replaced by a supporter of the new administration.

    And, the cycle continues.

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    African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    People actually realize where all of this is leading because it’s already SET IN MOTION….we got the full outline of the nasty plans…

    They also realize although it must proceed WITH SPEED, just not under the glare of social media, saboteurs, spies, or judases…

  43. BAJE Avatar
    BAJE

    started by the politicians who would order medicines from florida or whereever for the QEH and bill the taxpayers 3 and 4 times the amount because they must have their cut still happening…

    same thing recently with the port scammers….costing a few thousand when we googled them and embarrassed THE LIAR……..but someone the politician’s mathematics concluded that they cost multi-MILLIONS…. same with the garbage trucks that cost so much less from manufacturers……..all for their cut…

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    DONVILLE INNISS AND HIS BOY FORMER QEH CEO DR DEXTER JAMES WHO I USED TO TEASE ALL THE TIME WHILST SEEING HIM PLAYING GOLF REGULARLY AT BARBADOS GOLF CLUB (BGC) IN DURANTS CHRIST CHURCH THAT I WOULD CALL THE NATION NEWSPAPER AS HE SEEMED NOT TO SPEND HIS TIME AS CEO OF QEH BUT GOLF WAS HIS JOB.

    WE WOULD BOTH LAUGH IT OFF ME NOT KNOWING HE WAS INVOLVED IN AN IMPORTING AND DRUGS BILLING RACKET AT THE QEH.

    STRANGELY I WAS APPROACHED BY ANOTHER BUSINESS MAN WELL KNOWN IN ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY WHO WAS ALSO A GOLFER TO MEET WITH DONVILLE INNISS AND THE CEO WHO WE BOTH KNEW FROM (BGC) TO SETUP A LOCAL COMPANY TO BRING IN PHARMACETUICAL DRUGS FROM ABROAD INCLUDING INDIA. WE NEVER DID SETUP THE JOINT COMPANY AT CORPORATE AFFAIRS AS I WAS TOO BUSY IN OTHER AREAS.

    IN HINDSIGHT IF I KNEW THAT THE KIND OF MONEY DR DEXTER JAMES AND DONVILLE INNISS WERE MAKING FROM IMPORTING SUPPLIES AND DR JAMES BEING AT THE GOLF COURSE VERY VERY REGULARLY I MIGHT HAVE BEEN TEMPTED TO JOIN THEIR TEAM OF BANDITS.

    SOMEONE WILL TELL ME THAT DR DEXTER JAMES WAS NOT A KNOWN GOLFER. LOL.

    PORT SCANNERS, GARBAGE TRUCKS ETC ARE ALL PART OF THE TYPE OF RAKETS AND MORE GOING ON DAILY ON THE 2 X 3 ISLAND.

  44. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    I make a single prediction, there will be another debt restructuring in the next 5 years.
    The factors which could avoid/delay this, are finding new sources of cheap borrowed funds, a large grant from somewhere, or taking money from citizens and giving them Bonds.
    There remains too wide a gap between revenue and expenses.
    And given the number of Ministers and Consultants, cutting expenses seems off the table, unless, the IMF makes it a condition.

  45. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    Some of the biggest talkers on BU are also some of the biggest con men/women around.🤐

  46. BAJE Avatar
    BAJE

    Some of the biggest talkers on BU are also some of the biggest con men/women around.🤐

    Xxxxxxx

    THE SAYING GOES IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE MR/MS BILLION $$$ PROJECT/MARKETING MANAGER.

  47. African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved Avatar
    African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    lol…

    he should be telling us where de people BILLIONS of dollars in taxes, vat and pension money gone….none ah we int tief it, at least none of the people i discourse with………he should be telling us WHICH CON MEN AND WOMEN DID..

    ah birdie tell muh ********…ya will soon see the fallout from that….too..

  48. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ N.O.
    “…or taking money from citizens and giving them Bonds.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You know full well that this plot is already well in train….

    After seeing how meekly CLICO investors parted with their savings..
    And how Government paper holders took their haircuts like real ‘men’..
    And how the NIS savings have been so quietly “disappeared” into clear waters..

    Why do you think that there are so many references in HIGH places, to the ‘folly’ of Bajans having such HUGE savings accounts in the banks at 0,1% interest?
    …when the BOSS promises 5%…?

    SURELY the supreme one will be inclined to force BBs to act ‘in their OWN best interest’…..

    Not to worry, sheep mostly go quietly to the slaughter…. And the butchers have had ‘Enuff’ practice to pull this one off smoothly…

  49. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    Taking ac off the field was BU’s loss. Instead of refreshing and thought provoking comments we get some bloggers repeating the same thing ad nauseam.

    The brilliant HA .. . gone
    Thought provoking a c …. gone
    Remaining.. J2, enuff, Lorenzo …

  50. David Avatar
    David

    Surprised there are only 200 plus downloads of the presentation.

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