Senator Caswell Franklyn Speaks – Hail Caesar Mia Mottley, Dictator of Barbados

For months I have contemplated but resisted writing about the rule of law, or lack thereof, in Barbados under two consecutive states of emergency. All that changed after I read a WhatsApp message sent to me from an unknown person. It simply said:

“If you allow the government to break the law in an emergency, they will create emergencies to break the law.”

In order to deal with the Covid-19 pandemic, the Government of Barbados decided that it would institute a state of emergency. Rather than use the existing provisions, Government sidestepped the Constitution and the 1939 Emergency Powers Act and amended the Emergency Management Act to provide for a public health emergency. They claimed that the existing Laws of Barbados did not provide for such. Notwithstanding Government’s claim, I contend that there are ample laws to institute any such emergency.

Section 25.(1) of the Constitution permits the Governor-General to declare that a state of emergency exists. Section 25.(2) goes on to state, in part:

A proclamation made by the Governor-General shall not be effective for the purposes of subsection (1) unless it is declared therein that the Governor-General is satisfied-

(a) that a public emergency has arisen as a result of the imminence of a state of war between Barbados and another State or as a result of the occurrence of any earthquake, hurricane, flood, fire, outbreak of pestilence, outbreak of infectious disease or other calamity, whether similar to the foregoing or not…

The power in the Constitution to declare a state of emergency as a result of the “outbreak of infectious disease” immediately gives the lie to Government’s claim that there were no provisions to cater to a public health emergency.

Under a state of public emergency government can, and in this case, restrict citizens from enjoying their constitutional right. The mechanism for doing so in the current emergency is a series of directives issued by the Prime Minister. I make bold to say that the Prime Minister cannot use this mechanism to curtail constitutional rights and freedoms since the enabling legislation did not amend or alter the Constitution of Barbados in anyway. To my mind, since the Emergency Management (Amendment) Act, 2020 did not amend or alter the Constitution; any directives issued by the Prime Minister that curtailed our constitutional rights would be illegal and of no effect.

The obvious question would therefore be: How can government declare a state of emergency to protect the country from the ravages of this Corvid-19 pandemic? The simple answer would be that government should have invoked the provisions of the Emergency Powers Act, 1939-3. I readily admit that many of the provisions of the Emergency Powers Act would offend the Constitution, if they were passed today. Be that as it may, the Constitution itself at section 26 saved laws that would be unconstitutional if there were passed prior to November 30, 1966.

Section 26 of the Constitution also allows the government to re-enact an existing law without alteration or if altered those alterations would not render the law inconsistent with the human rights provisions of the Constitution, that is sections 12 to 23. The amendments made to the Emergency Management Act in 2020 have not faithfully re-enacted the relevant provisions of the Emergency Powers Act. For example, all those orders/directives made under the Emergency Powers Act must, in accordance with section 3.(4) shall be laid before Parliament. It states:

Any orders so made shall be laid before Parliament as soon as may be after they are made and shall not continue in force after the expiration of 7 days from the time when there are so laid unless a resolution is passed by both Houses providing for the continuation.

Section 33.(5) of the Emergency Management Act, which required the Government to lay emergency orders before Parliament, was repealed by the 2020 amendments. It is therefore obvious to me that this Government wanted no oversight when it implemented the public health emergency.

Section 48.(1) of the Constitution provides that Parliament may make laws for the peace, order and good government of Barbados. It is therefore my view that even if enabling legislation allows the Prime Minister or anyone else to make rules, they must be approved by Parliament. In this present state of emergency the Prime Minister is making laws for the peace, order and good government of Barbados without any reference to Parliament.

I am now wondering if persons, who were penalised by the courts for infringing these directives, have any remedy against the state. It would appear that our Prime Minister has now become the absolute dictator of Barbados, which is not too far removed from being a despot. Could the late Prime Minister Arthur have been predicting the future? Just wondering!

219 comments

  • Keep stoking the fire. See what happened 6 January in Amurka?

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  • Some countries who kept their borders open are ruined. Please God let that not be Barbados.

    The advantages of keeping the borders closed were evident: free movement of the local population without having to mask up; not having to fight on several fronts simultaneously; having the luxury of time to plan for a new and a sustainable economy; to have remained a casual observer of the effectiveness and the suitability of the different vaccine types; as late adapters the purchase price of the vaccine would have been heavily reduced; and to have safeguarded the lives of the local population.

    The BLP leadership under pressure from the tourist industry failed the electorate.

    Here’s one leader who got it right.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/20/gospel-according-to-mark-can-anything-stop-western-australias-covid-saviours-re-election

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  • Fowl Enuff…the billion dollar projects manager…so how is that billion dollar Barbados project going, have you signed on yet…and then there’s the St. Lucy project ..big, big, big…..can’t wait to see ya name in neon lights.

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  • “The reality is that the president is exhausted, she has used up her only resource – talk and talk and talk and wave and wave and talk………….”

    I’m a bit concerned as to what’s real reason behind this silly obsession with Mottley ‘waving her hands’ when she speaks. What’s the big deal?

    Many people, regardless of their race, culture or language, wave their hands about when they speak. They even waggle their hands about while talking on the phone or even sitting during an interview or casual conversation with someone.
    For some people, it’s a natural habit for them to use hand gestures as a means of reinforcing their verbal message.

    https://barbadosunderground.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/halaustin.jpg?w=553&h=280&crop=1

    If the guy in the above photo, for example, appears to be gesturing with his hands while siting and speaking, we could reasonably assume his hands would be waving about if he were standing.

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  • Some of you are unable to appreciate Barbados like many countries are dealing with a public health issue right now. How does harping on when we should have closed going to offer constructive commentary? Let us rally to support initiatives to help the country ride out the challenge. Many of you living in the USA, UK and Canada under Rh lockdown.

    Some of you like to noise of drama. Sick of it.

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  • @ TLSN February 20, 2021 9:25 AM

    Australia has mineral resources. We only have people. Without tourism, our GDP is as high as in poorer countries in Africa.

    Therefore, if we had closed the borders, sooner or later our government would have had to sell locals as domestic servants or field servants to Arabia, where slavery still exists.

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  • He closed down Western Australia AFTER an outbreak And he got it right

    Barbados is now going through an out break and the government failed the people

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  • @ GP February 19, 2021 8:14 PM
    “LED FIVE DRUG LORDS INTO THE PARLIAMENTARY CELEBRATIONS IN 2018..”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s a bit ‘foul’ of a low-blow for a bellyaching punch to the solar plexus of your ‘Prime Wicker’ PM!

    Maybe it was simply a telegraphic signal for a punch- sent by Tron’s Supreme being and idol- of the coming conversion, like your biblical Saul on the road to Damascus, from illegal drug barons to ‘licensed’ bush doctors steeped in the art of distributing medicinal marijuana.

    That faux pas along with her Mal(m)oney checkmate has to be explained (away) by the fowls like Enuff, Lorenzo et al.

    Karma is really a bitch in sheep clothing, not so Rev. GP?

    Even your Jewish book of moral instruction has it down packed with the saying:

    ‘You reap what you sow’ (hoping to go up in smoke).

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  • “I know Bajans, this is who we are”

    Hating like a drama queen is more your own individual trait and now you act like a shark that can smell blood from 100m away.

    Now the path is the goal.
    What is the path.

    The path is your spiritual practise of awareness connection and elevation ( S – P – A – C – E )
    I’m not here to tell you what your path is but if you don’t have a spiritual practise you are not going to elevate,
    you are never going to have the best relationship with yourself, which means you are never going to have the best relationship with your significant other any girlfriend or guyfriend or children. You are never going to have the best relationship unless you develop and choose a spiritual practise.

    That is your Head Space

    You chose to push other people down while others chose to build them up When you hold them down I say help them out.

    The Brown Note.
    I be shitting on these haters shitting shitting on these haters like I took a laxative

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  • @ John2

    Not cherry picking dates at all. First week in January was when the more contagious variants were reported. Look back and you will see that is when the EU started to take action. It was also around then that the UK suspended flights from S.A. it has nothing to do with picking dates, it does however have everything to do with reacting quickly to changes in threat levels.

    David it also has nothing to do with hindsight but everything to do with foresight and rapidly changing threat levels. While up to December I supported the borders being opened with strict protocols, as of January all that changed based on the new mutations and development of the virus. You see this is not a stationery issue but a constantly moving target. My point is with few coming to the island last month according to the BHTA the risk to reward ration was not worth it.

    Having said that at this stage closing them is pointless as all of our major source markets have already suspended flights anyhow.

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  • Conflicts of Interest abound in the vaccine promotion and pandemic forecasting/promotion business as Rosemary Frei explains.

    Frei’s bio from her web site:
    “After obtaining an MSc in molecular biology from the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary, Rosemary Frei became a freelance writer. For the next 22 years she was a medical writer and journalist. She pivoted again in early 2016 to full-time, independent activism and investigative journalism. Her website is RosemaryFrei(DOT)ca.

    The Modelling-paper Mafiosi
    By Rosemary Frei, MSc
    John Edmunds is on top of the world. He’s one of the modelling-paper mafiosi.

    The London, U.K., professor is a key government advisor on COVID-19-related policies. Edmunds also was a co-author of one of the primary modelling papers that have been used to convince the masses that vigilance against Variant of Concern (VOC) B.1.1.7 should be their top priority.

    And Edmunds co-wrote an influential January 21, 2021 report that concluded, “There is a realistic possibility that VOC B.1.1.7 is associated with an increased risk of death compared to non-VOC viruses.”

    In addition, he speaks often to reporters about the deadliness of the new variant. Edmunds tells them, for example, that a “disaster” would ensue if lockdowns are eased too soon, because what first must be done is to “vaccinate much, much, much more widely than the elderly.”

    SNIP

    These ties bind Edmunds, Ferguson and Hopkins – along with the rest of the modelling-paper mafiosi — to the bidding of governments, Big Pharma, Bill Gates and other powerful players.

    They present an image of being fully devoted to the public good, while in fact actively helping to destroy it.

    https://www.rosemaryfrei.ca/the-modelling-paper-mafiosi/

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  • How do you not be a very ugly hater you may ask and I will say to you it takes daily practise of exercise to remove your anger

    Share Qigong with the World /||\ Qi Gong Dance Party at the Beach

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  • @John A

    Maybe so, take consolation that we are not in the struggle alone notwithstanding mistakes made.

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  • @David

    What needs to be done now from Monday is that mask wearing shouod be made mandatory with a $500 for those not wearing masks in public. The defence force as of Monday should also be made responsible for the securing of the private quarantine facilities. Privately paid security or hotel paid security should not be handling this aspect of the protocols.

    If we don’t stop handling this with kit gloves all we will have is lockdown after lockdown, as a lockdown is the end result of the failed enforcement of inadequate protocols.

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  • @John A

    Long overdue.

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  • A

    You have not touch on the point about people returning to their countries

    Including bajans

    Read in BT of a family of 11 coming home for a funeral in feb. should they have been denied?

    It a fluid situation but the pm got her medical advisors and economic advisors

    In early January the was no indication that Any of the variants was more deadly only more infectious

    Some people want us to follow some countries when they shut down
    Other want up to remain opened like other countries

    Who group has the better foresight

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  • @ David

    Sorry let me clarify what i mean by the defence force being responsible for the security of the ptivate quarantine facilities.

    When persons arrive at these facilities from the airport or elsewhere the date of arrival, the appointed room number and the persons ID should be given to the defence force officers on duty. No ground floor rooms should be used for quarantine either. You could walk out of them too easy or persons can walk in as well. The defence force will then take it from there by checking on that person say 3 times a day in accordance with the quarantine registry record he would have for that facility. That registry will have in date of check in and check out room number and full ID information. If the person is not there for any check the defence force will then send the persons imformation straight to the police so that an immediate arrest warrant can be issued. They will not comunicate with the hotel on any of the above either. There will be no fines for breach of quarantine but a mandatory stay of 30 days at our local establishment kmow as Dodds Prison.

    I ain’t stand home 2 days so that Monday could be business as usual sorry!

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  • @ John A February 20, 2021 10:39 AM

    Corona is more a mental and logistic than a factual medical crisis. BionTech and Moderna are highly effective even against British and African Corona mutants. Curavec will join the pack soon.

    All we need to do is

    NIS shall buy 1 billion USD shares of Biontech, Curavec and Moderna
    vaccinate everybody with Astrazeneca this spring
    repeat vaccination with Biontech, Curavec (hopefully) or Moderna next year.

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  • @ John 2

    Let me ask you a question. If the problem was Ebola and not covid would you have locked down from January when things changed for the worst?

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  • And the penalty for the officer that fails to report ?

    Remember All tourist Are NOT foreigners

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  • @ Tron

    They got one flaw in your argument and that is that you are assuming a vaccine resistant variant that mutates quickly does not raise its head.

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  • @John A

    Big Pharma will make more money producing booster shots the more the variants.

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  • @ David

    True the problem is they will always be playing catch up behind the mutations and in that window lives will be lost. That is why the mask wearing and enforcement of protocols is so critical.

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  • @ Tron,
    You and David are misguided souls.

    Back in March 2020, a famous week of horse racing took place in Cheltenham, the UK. Its artefacts remain with us today and has become notorious as thee event that acceralated the spread of Covid-19 throughout the UK. Almost forgot, during the same period Liverpool football club played an important European football match against Athletico Madrid at their home ground. Their supporters came in there thousands and infected a sizeable number of Brits.

    There was sufficient evidence out there for the government of Barbados to have sealed their borders.

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  • @ John A February 20, 2021 11:36 AM

    Whatever the medical side of the current crisis …

    We must not forget, despite all the Corona panic, that the basic structural problem of our island remains after Corona: Our island is highly overpopulated and productivity is far too low. We can no longer grow through tourism, because here the maximum has already been reached. We suffer from a bloated public service with far too many people. Our bureaucracy is raping and strangulating the private sector more and more.

    Our Supreme Leader must finally strike back and take action against this perversion: Mass layoffs in the civil service, wage cuts for the rest, raising the retirement age to 75 for civil servants, and devaluation to a level where the true Barbadian productivity is. – In fact, much would be helped if the government did not hire any new civil servants for the next 10 years, raised the retirement age to 70, and moderately devalued the BBD to 1:5.

    Without such structural corrections, our island will continue to suffer from zero economic growth for the next decades.

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  • @ TLSN February 20, 2021 11:49 AM

    And how will our population live without tourists? When I look around me: even the rich businessmen are trying to rent out their mansions and villas right now. In vain, of course. To whom? To our impoverished, unemployed natives?

    A year of isolation would mean starvation, if not cannibalism for us. Look at Trixidad: after the country has foreclosed, many tour operators are considering permanently diverting tourism to other islands.

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  • @ Tron

    Yes the reality of going forward on the same one leg ecomomy as in the past is now a myth. I think we all should have learnt that by now, nor would it be safe to go on depending on one source for our daily bread.

    I still waiting for the supreme leader to lay out for me the plan for the post covid diversified ecomomy though, where tourism will be no more than 30% of its base.

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  • Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV

    People that think that closing the borders will stop an airborne virus are just as intelligent as people that think closing borders will stop a hurricane. It is a matter of WHEN (and not IF) a virus will come. It is just delaying the inevitable. The population must be made aware of that FACT and not be lulled into a FALSE and NAIIVE sense of comfort.

    Another truth is that Barbados has not had the HISTORY OR EXPERIENCE of dealing with civil unrest or natural disasters (especially pandemics of this type). We are not use to going through “temporary pain”. Normally measures taken to mitigate the effects of disasters,( along with the disaster itself) are PAINFUL but are NECCESSARY and TEMPORARY. This is true for every country. from the biggest superpower to the smallest countries in the Pacific.

    https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/covid-19-travel-restrictions-study/

    https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-border-closures-are-not-the-solution-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/a-56319647

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  • @Miller February 20, 2021 7:45 AM “At least you can give the men a little kudos for “inventing” the vaccines for the ‘Sisters’ to administer to both sexes and the one in-between… have you taken up the invitation and visited Doc “whiteHill” to receive your injection to be vaccinated against the virus called ‘man-shortage’?”

    Kudos to the men for “inventing” the vaccines. In fact kudos to all good men. I love wunna.

    P.S. My chief is more than adequate to take care of “home business”, so at this point I don’t need a “stepney”.

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  • @ John 2

    I asked you a question but I noticed to dodging it. I asked you if it was Ebola instead of Covid would you of closed the borders from January, I still waiting for your reply.

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  • Wura de Salemite
    It is 2021 and I repeat, I don’t have time for the likes of you.

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  • @Hal Austin February 20, 2021 8:05 AM “The reality is that the president is exhausted…”

    Exhausted what?

    If a woman can give birth 20 or more times [I hope that you are not foolish enough to think that 20 childbirths is the same as 20 male orgasms] and I personally know more than one woman who has done so, and raise most of those children to healthy productive adulthood, and live way past the age of 80 you really think that 2 1/2 years of Presidential work can exhaust your President?

    Please don’t be an idiot.

    Why do you think that worldwide female life expectancy is higher that male life expectancy?

    Women are stronger, more resilent, more pragmatic, more willing to listen to good advice, more able to recognize good advice, because our God made us so, and we thank HER.

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  • @ John A February 20, 2021 12:01 PM

    Any word on the so-called COVID19-council?

    Either the government is keeping the proposed reforms secret or the committee has never met. I think the latter is true.

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  • What absoulute nonsense from Mr Frankyln.This is a health emergency
    This petty political behaviour by Mr Franklyn would only seek to mislead people in my view.This latest lockdown is to protect some lawless bajans from the rest of us and themselves.I read somewhere a prison officer has twice broken the protocols and he is supposed to be setting an example.Also heard of six persons charged at a party in St Lucy.I mean really? However persons on here talking about closing of borders.Our main problem right now is some indisiplined bajans not tourist
    As for the nonsence about Ms Mottley resigning to be replaced by who Mr Franklyn?Your political leader Rev Atherley? or maybe the political nightwatchman Ms Depeiza or maybe recall the worst PM in my view 8n the history of Barbados Mr Stuart? Get serious Mr Franklyn Ms Mottley is head and shoulders above any of the above.This is a serious times and calls for serious leadership not the fly by night type.I gone.

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  • @Hal Austin February 20, 2021 8:05 AM “When you ask if livelihoods come before lives, they tell you what is going on in some far off country.”

    Barbados: 316.5 Covid19 deaths per million people
    Canada: 568 Covid19 deaths per million people
    United States: 1,529 Covid19 deaths per million people
    United Kingdom: 1,767 Covid19 deaths per million people

    Source: worldometer

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  • But I say to Bajans:

    Wash your hands regularly.
    Wear your masks properly and consistently.
    Keep 6 feet away from other people.
    Take the vaccine as soon as you can, because if you do not as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow our death rate will catch up with that of the mother cuntry.

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  • RE People that think that closing the borders will stop an airborne virus are just as intelligent as people that think closing borders will stop a hurricane.
    AN OBVIOUS NONSEQUITUR

    closing the borders will stop an airborne virus IF IT HAS NOT YET BEEN INTRODUCED TO THE ISLAND

    RE It is a matter of WHEN (and not IF) a virus will come. It is just delaying the inevitable. THE VIRUS CAME TO US WHEN FOLK WITH THE VIRUS INTRODUCED IT, WHETHER LOCALS OR VISITORS

    RE The population must be made aware of that FACT THE POPULATION HAS BEEN MADEAWARE

    RE and not be lulled into a FALSE and NAIIVE sense of comfort.
    a FALSE and NAIIVE sense of comfort. WILL OCCUR IF WE DEPEND ONLY ON THE PROTOCOLS IN PLACE
    THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO VERY CHEAP THINGS THAT CAN BE MANDATED AND IMPLIMENTED IN ADDITION

    RE Another truth is that Barbados has not had the HISTORY OR EXPERIENCE of dealing with civil unrest or natural disasters (especially pandemics of this type).
    NOT VERY ACCURATE PLEASE CHECK YOUR FACTS AND TRY TO BE MORE ACCURATE
    HOW CAN “”Another truth”BE AN ABSOLUTE LIE?

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  • Latest reports VOB 12:30 PM Barbados time] is that there is no longer any covid among the staff or inmates of the prison.

    We thank the health and security professionals who have worked hard and well to make it so.

    May it remain so.

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  • A.

    I did not see your question until u repeated it
    I don’t be on bu 24 hrs like some other
    I pop in when I have the time

    Ebola
    I would support whatever the medical advisors advice when it comes to our border . The same I do now for Covid
    I wouldn’t not be closing or opening because another country did or did not
    My decision would have been made according to the advice of the medical advisors

    For sure I would not close it to bajans

    That being said there is a lot about Ebola that I am not aware of bacause it didn’t affect close to me as Covid did
    For example.. was/ is there a test for Covid before the symptoms are manifested etc
    I know the measles are not deadly but we only know it there when we see it. Same with the flu

    With Covid we can test for and control who come in

    We all know what happened to enforcement and on top of that the lab broke

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  • https://barbadostoday.bb/2021/01/21/pm-blanks-border-closure-notion/

    “The Government has made a judgment. At the end of the day, we have the capacity to manage people who present themselves at the border and we have been doing so significantly in a way that I am happy with …”

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  • A
    You dodging my question?

    The bajan family of 11 that came home early February to bury their live one

    Would you close bim to them even though they were willing to go through the quarantine to wish they live one good bye ?

    When u shud the borders on Jan 1st
    What would you have done with the few thousands of tourists that were still on the island? House and feed then for at least two months at tax payers expenses?

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  • In my opinion closing borders from Jan 1st would not have made one bit of a difference to what is going on in bim tod

    The horse had already bolted in December

    We would still have the number of cases and deaths today if we had even closed the borders on dec 28.th for example

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  • @ John2

    Fair enough but if was Ebola that was the threat you and others would probably say close the borders, but you see numbers can be used to reflect what you want, let me explain.

    Ebola deaths were around 26.000 in total where as covid deaths now stand at 2.45 million globally. So globally covid has killed roughly 100 times more people than Ebola ever did. Chew on that for a minute while we move on.

    Now WHO and the medical guys have said that the new strains are no more deadly per 100,000 infected than the other strains. True statement but grossly misleading and you will ask why. Well if the death rate is the same per hundred thousand infected but the rate of contagion is 70% greater than the original strain, then per population the risk of death globally at the same morbidity rate would be 70% higher you agree?

    In other words let’s say 100,000 caught strain 1 in a population of say 1 million and 100 died, then the risk of death at a higher contagion rate would be roughly 170,000 people and 170 deaths at the same morbidity rate. It suits some to make statements like “it’s no more deadly per 100,000” Yes we all know that. However if the contagion rate is 70% higher with the Same morbidity rate what does that tell you?

    That’s why I said the borders should have been closed from the 1st week in January. Don’t be fooled by how some people cloak figures for their purpose do your own extrapolations on the data.

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  • And the same economic impact

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  • @John2 February 20, 2021 11:21 AM “Including bajans. Read in BT of a family of 11 coming home for a funeral in feb. should they have been denied?”

    Yes.

    As my dearly beloved mummy used to say “don’t come peeping in my face after I am dead”

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  • @Tron February 20, 2021 11:50 AM “raising the retirement age to 75 for civil servants.”

    Understand that if you do this you will have to spend a fair amount of money building a few banks and post offices in the cemeteries, so that the 75+ pensioners can receive their monies.

    Add that cost into your budget.

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  • @Tron February 20, 2021 11:55 AM “A year of isolation would mean starvation, if not cannibalism for us.”

    I hope that you nice and fat, because if it comes to this, the first body going on my backyard grill is you.

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  • @ John A February 20, 2021 1:26 PM

    You are correct, “numbers can be used to reflect what you want.” And, that’s exactly what you’re trying to do, as is evidenced by your contribution. To ‘say,’ “globally covid has killed roughly 100 times more people than Ebola ever did,” is misleading. You cannot, in all seriousness, compare ebola virus with COVID-19, without taking certain factors into consideration, such as spread, challenges, containment, treatment, recovery rate and overall policy.

    Of the reported 28,652 cases during the last EVD pandemic,15,261 were confirmed, with 11,325 deaths. The index case in the US, for example, was a man who had returned from West Africa and subsequently died, and while two health care workers that attended him tested positive, they recovered.

    I suggest you do a bit more reading on ebola.

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  • Cud dear

    Everybody is not your mother or you

    And everybody that died don’t have a viewing

    Obviously the family love they departed live one that they went to so much trouble

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  • Also
    Every one not as “privileged” as Liz that they can pick up and run home when someone say come

    So why would you deny this family?

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  • 8 Things to Know Before Your Second COVID-19 Vaccine.

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    Many people who had little to no reaction to the first vaccine dose are reporting that the second one packs a punch — surprising even those who study vaccines for a living.

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    “I took one Tylenol and went to bed and woke up the next morning 90 percent improved, and by midday I was back to normal,” Poland says. “This is not an indication of something going wrong; it is an indication of a vigorous immune response.”

    There is no live virus in the vaccine, so you can’t get COVID-19 from being vaccinated.

    Participants in clinical trials of both vaccines had experiences similar to Poland’s. In Pfizer’s clinical trial, for instance, 31 percent of participants ages 18 to 55 reported a fever after the second dose, compared to only 8 percent after the first one. Fatigue, chills, headache and muscle/joint pain were also more common after the second injection for both vaccines.

    The good news is, older adults were less likely to experience vaccine reactions, the data shows. Among those age 55 and up in the Pfizer trial, 22 percent experienced fever after the second dose, and 3 percent had a temperature after the first dose.

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    The second dose of the Pfizer shot is supposed to be given 21 days after the first; for Moderna, the recommended interval between doses is 28 days.

    However, if you can’t get an appointment on the exact day — or if you have to miss your scheduled appointment for some reason — the CDC does allow some wiggle room. Although the agency recommends trying to stick to the suggested interval, it says the second dose can be given up to six weeks after the first.

    If your appointment is scheduled earlier than the recommended date, ask for a later appointment, Schaffner advises. “Your immune response will work perfectly well if you take more time,” he says. “But if you do it too early, the second dose may not invoke an optimal response.”

    4) Your second dose should be from the same manufacturer as your first

    Doctors are already hearing from patients asking if they can get their second dose from a different manufacturer, often because they realize the other type of vaccine is offered at a location that’s more convenient. But the CDC recommends against it: The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines “are not interchangeable with each other or with other COVID-19 vaccine products,” the CDC says. “The safety and efficacy of a mixed-product series have not been evaluated.”

    The CDC does allow the mixing of Pfizer and Moderna shots in “exceptional situations,” such as when the vaccine used for someone’s first dose is no longer available due to a supply shortage, or if it’s unclear which vaccine they got for their first dose.

    5) A rash at the injection site isn’t a reason to skip your second dose

    If you experienced a rash at the injection site three to 10 days after getting your first shot, that doesn’t preclude you from getting your second shot, the CDC says, although it recommends getting it in the other arm.

    A small number of people have developed such rashes, sometimes called “COVID arm,” after vaccination. Doctors say it’s likely a mild allergic reaction that can be treated with an over-the-counter antihistamine such as Benadryl.

    In guidance released Feb. 10, the CDC says the reaction is not believed to represent a risk for a more severe allergic reaction when you get your second dose.

    6) You should temporarily avoid all other vaccines

    It might be time for your shingles or Tdap vaccine, but you should hold off if you are between COVID-19 vaccine doses. Because there’s no data on the safety and efficacy of COVID vaccines administered at the same time as other vaccines, the CDC recommends avoiding other immunizations in the two weeks before and after both doses. Holding off also helps prevent confusion about the cause of a reaction if you experience one.

    The CDC does allow exceptions in circumstances where avoiding the vaccine would put you at risk, such as a tetanus shot after a wound or a hepatitis shot during an outbreak.

    7) Full immunity is not immediate

    It takes two weeks after your second dose for your body to build full protection to the virus. After that, you should have almost zero chance of developing severe disease if you are exposed to someone with COVID-19, Schaffner says. The CDC also says you no longer have to quarantine if you’re exposed to someone with COVID-19 — as long as you meet these criteria: you don’t have symptoms and it hasn’t been more than three months since your second vaccine dose.

    One possible exception is immunocompromised people, Schaffner says. They will get some level of immunity, he says, “but they may not reach the 95 percent because their immune system is already somewhat compromised, no matter how strong these vaccines are.”

    8) You still need to wear a mask

    Experts are divided about whether it’s OK to hug your grandchild or gather socially with other vaccinated people after you’re fully immunized.

    But they agree you should continue to wear a mask and practice social distancing in public. For one thing, there’s a small chance you could get sick even after you’ve been vaccinated.

    In addition, it’s possible that you could still carry the virus and silently transmit it to others who haven’t been vaccinated, even if you don’t develop symptoms.

    And there’s one more reason. Until the country reaches herd immunity — the point when a significant portion of the population becomes immune to a disease — it’s important for everyone to wear a mask to stop the spread of the virus, Schaffner says. “If we have some people walking around maskless and others not, people left and right are just going to discard their masks,” he says. “We are not ready yet for that for society. Let’s all stick to masks a little longer until we get the all clear.”

    Michelle Crouch is a contributing writer who has covered health and personal finance for some of the nation’s top consumer publications. Her work has appeared in Reader’s Digest, Real Simple, Prevention, The Washington Post and The New York Times.

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  • A

    Those number / example don’t mean a thing

    Thing would still be the same if the borders were closed on dec 26.th . Jan 1st or Jan 26 th

    Obsolutely. Not one bit different
    Unless u had and infected person that came in after Jan first and was allow to roam . And if that happened then heads needs to roll

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  • They did such a bang up job with the virus that the fast moving UK variant MOVED RIGHT IN and they don’t even know if that’s in combination with a new mutation…won’t want any of them in charge of me and my family, that sentiment includes every politician, they are all the same, abject failures pretending to be successful.

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  • Wolf, Wolf, how do we fence it????

    It isn’t enough just to say that the procedures in question is flawed but also how it’s flawed and also point out what works well, not just the flaws.

    It’s important that you share your ingenious ideas to fix/resolve the problems you highlighted.

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  • Pointing out flaws and stating what works well are two different things.

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  • @Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV February 20, 2021 12:27 PM “Another truth is that Barbados has not had the HISTORY OR EXPERIENCE of dealing with civil unrest or natural disasters (especially pandemics of this type). ”

    Historically this is GROSSLY inaccurate.

    The historic truth is that Barbados until recently has been wracked by natural disasters and epidemics and civil unrest too. My own parents remember laying down on the floor to avoid the police bullets during the 1937 Rebellion. People died by police bullets in that one. People the age of my parents were imprisoned for asserting their rights to decent income and decent family life.

    Pelican Island until my own lifetime was for hundreds of years used as a quarantine center.
    Stroll through any of the older churchyards and you will see the tombstones of parents and their young children all dead and buried in the same year, and take note only the wealthy could afford tombstones, countless others were buried without markers.

    Yellow fever is not like Covid19 which kills about 2% of those infected. Without immunization and without treatment treatments yellow fever will kill about 50% of those infected. The first epidemic of yellow fever began in Barbados in 1647 and lasted for 5 years and killed about half the population, mainly indigenous and European people and African descended people. The African born population had mostly already had yellow fever as children and had acquired lifelong immunity and survived. These epidemics went on for hundreds of years since no yellow fever vaccine was available until 1951. Barbados’ churchyards are full of whole families wiped out by yellow fever. The historical truth is that yellow fever is so scary that when my mother traveled for the first time in 1971 she could not step a single inch out of Barbados unless she could show her WHO approved yellow fever immunization certificate.

    And in my own generation, just as we were about to enjoy our sex lives as ALL of humanity has done for millions of years, the whole world, including Barbados was struck by the HIV/AIDS pandemic, and we were told that in order to do what is completely natural we had to “wrap it up” in rubber. The world has not yet recovered from that pandemic, and neither has Barbados.

    The massive buildings which now house the Archives and some of the UWI classrooms are for good reason still know as the Lazeretto, because for hundreds of years lepers were isolated there. Even though I have never met a leper myself, a public health official in my age group told me that he has.

    I am not yet 70 and I remember the public health teams coming to the end of our gap to deal with the two old ladies who had TB and had the potential to spread it to the whole village, especially as we all used the same communal standpipe. I witnessed the health officials burning their mattresses and other soft furnishings and fumigating the house. I am sure that that was not the only case of TB in Barbados in the 1960’s

    Barbados has been struck by tropical storms or hurricanes in July 1653, August 1674, September 1675, October 1780, September 1786, July 1813, August 1831, September 1835, September 1898–my own grandmother only 12 years old lost her father in that one. He was 42, and left a young widow and many, many children–Some still living Bajans remember Janet in September 1955 +plus all of the near misses of the past 66 years.

    Barbados is mostly a tropical paradise now but for most of its post-Columbian history it was a tropical hell hole and had to deal with civil unrest, natural disasters and epidemics. And people had to develop coping strategies, a quarantine island, a lazerrato, vigorous anti-mosquito campaigns, TB campaigns, HIV/AIDS campaigns and on and on and on…

    It int done yet.

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  • What unadulterated crap.

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  • I am being the devil’s advocate here. Nothing more.

    The same way that you have the SA and UK variants, couldn’t we have have a new and even deadlier Barbadian variant as time passes?

    If by chance the answer is yes, could it be possible that the introduction of the UK/SA variant stopped the deadlier Barbadian variant from developing?

    I stopped drinking, but I would love to be in a rum shop (now illegal?) pushing BUllshit

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  • Theo..you are talking about as time passes, the diseased tourists were on the island for the whole year, every variant has had an opportunity to mutate to another variant profile since September… there were 7 deaths for at least 10 months…then suddenly 24 deaths within 3 weeks, 8 deaths in one week, do the math, you have a mathematical mind.

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  • @ Cuhdear Bajan February 20, 2021 6:09 PM
    @Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV February 20, 2021 12:27 PM “Another truth is that Barbados has not had the HISTORY OR EXPERIENCE of dealing with civil unrest or natural disasters (especially pandemics of this type).

    And what about the recent Nelson riots where the mob threatened our local businessmen? Since that day, many businessmen always have a flight ticket at hand because they never know when the mob will blame the minorities for their own failures and come after their lives.

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  • @ Artax

    I stand by my statement and will repeat it again for the numerically challenged out there.

    Covid has killed nearly 100 times more people than Ebola has.

    Ebola = 28,000 approximately
    Covid = 2, 450,000.

    Dividing the larger figure by the smaller results in a multiple of 87.5 times. So if you want to be correct to the decimal point to date covid has killed 87.5 times more people than Ebola has.

    That is a reality you can say ” oh but this or yes but that” all you want, however it does not change the numeric reality of the total global deaths of one disease over the other as the numbers registered with the WHO clearly show.

    The reality is the level of contagion and it’s ability to mutate and spread has made it more deadly than many other diseases out there and that my friend is a numeric fact that can not be questioned or challenged by anyone.

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  • “People died by police bullets in that one. People the age of my parents were imprisoned for asserting their rights to decent income and decent family life.”

    despite all of that, yall still allow these dirty politicians and their sidekicks to get away with all types of human rights crimes against yaselves….84 YEARS LATER.

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  • @wura
    Was bs-ing like some are doing. Not a serious thought.

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  • I like to break things down ok, because i’ve noticed that not many Bajans will notice that 3 and 4 generations later, they are still experiencing the same human rights crimes against themselves…

    1 generation = 25 YEARS..of a person’s life.

    from 1937 to 2021 = 84 YEARS = 3 and a half generations….of human rights abuses against the Black/African population.

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  • “Not a serious thought.”

    we have to laugh to break the momentum.

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  • The numbers may be fact

    But is it also a fact the Covid is spread by air while Ebola is spread by contact that’s why it is much easier to contain Ebola than Covid.? Then you can translate that into the number of cases / deaths

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  • Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV

    @Cuddear Bajan I never stated that Barbados NEVER had natural disasters or civil unrest (that is absurd)….It was to state that in COMPARISON with even countries in CARICOM we do not have( in relative terms). the constant dealings with Hurricanes, coups, civil unrest etc. I made that statement in reference to SOME Bajans angst to the SHORT TERM suffering from the lockdown measures. We want to believe that God is a Bajan and that we will avoid these “shocks” for all our lives. Nobody wants to deal with these shocks but WHEN they do come we must known that temporary pain will occur. I remember when we got a lash from Hurricane Ivan and Storm Tomas and the amount of “cries” from people that after two days their electricity wasn’t restored. I told myself it was better than what Grenada got from Ivan or what happened in 1990 with the coup in Trinidad.

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  • This is the haunting.

    “The History of Marijuana in Britain
    http://www.civilized.life/articles/the-history-of...
    Britain has a history with marijuana that dates back to the 16th century, when cannabis cultivation in Britain had reached its peak. During this time, there was a high demand to build and maintain ships, which created a boom in the hemp market because the strong fibers were crucial for building. By 1533, King Henry VIII actually issued laws requiring British farmers to grow hemp, and thirty years later Queen Elizabeth I increased this amount farmers were obligated to grow”

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  • Numbers may be facts ur there don’t necessary tell the whole story

    And they are not telling the whole story with the Covid Ebola comparasion

    The numbers quoted are just statically facts

    Don’t mean anything more

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  • @ Cuhdear Bajan February 20, 2021 6:09 PM
    “And in my own generation, just as we were about to enjoy our sex lives as ALL of humanity has done for millions of years, the whole world, including Barbados was struck by the HIV/AIDS pandemic, and we were told that in order to do what is completely natural we had to “wrap it up” in rubber. The world has not yet recovered from that pandemic, and neither has Barbados.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    To the Simple Simon aka S S also a “Cuhdear Baje:

    Your historical review of public health in Barbados and its many challenges during the ‘centuries’ is quite sound.

    But you can expect the apologists like our own tar-brushed Johnny to try to ‘throw shade’.

    You should also expect flow-back in the form of racist arguments and throwback to archival evidence from the slave-breeding records to ‘confirm’ that there was indeed excellent health among the general population during the glorified days of the slave society when the average black Joe and Josephine lived to a ripe old age of 100 on the sweet-life plantation and where, from cradle to grave, they were well watered, feed and bed(ed) by the white massa.

    You should take note of the first ‘feedback’ destructive critic out of the block to object to your well-researched thesis.

    That person is indeed the leader of the peer-review braying pack and no other than the overseas-based critic with the know-it-all leaning by rote Bajan Condition.

    But there just one ‘mere point’ which you need to sharpen up on before final submission (and acceptance) of your Masterful piece of analytical history to advance teaching and learning about ole Barbadoes and with which Prof. G.K. Lewis from his grave would be most impressed.

    According to your brainwashing Judeo-Christian scriptures humans left the garden of Eden circa 10,000 solar year ago; and not millions.

    Unless you intend to set the chronological and anthropological records straight by calling humans ‘animalistic’ members on the same great ape family tree of knowledge about good and evil.

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  • @ John A February 20, 2021 6:35 PM

    Firstly, I misinterpreted the beginning of your contribution. After re-reading it in its entirety, I realized you weren’t comparing ebola with COVID-19 as it relates to closing the borders. In other words, I thought you were suggesting EVD deaths were much less because borders were closed in comparison with more coronavirus deaths as a result of leaving the borders opened.
    And, that’s the reason why I mentioned taking certain factors into consideration such as spread, challenges, containment, treatment, recovery rate and overall policy response.

    Secondly, could you please provide BU with the source of your information that reports EVD deaths at approximately 28,000. Even though your figure is disputable, your calculation of the death ratio is correct…… and even more so if the ebola deaths were less.

    Thirdly, why is it some of you guys cannot engage in a simple discussion without making some derogatory slur. Do you believe it was necessary to ‘talk about’ “the numerically challenged out there,” simply because I misinterpreted you comments?
    I recall a few days ago you were upset because someone used a derogatory remark to you. When I asked if it was only at that time you noticed such an occurrence because you were involved. As I anticipated, you refused to answer.

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  • BTW…..it’s no secret, i have known that for ages.

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  • @ Artax

    The comment about being numerically challenged was directed at anyone who had a problem understanding that 2,500,000 was greater than 28,000. It really was that simple and was not directed at you but at anybody who was challenged with understanding the basic quantum of a number.

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  • The total Ebola death figures can be found on the cdc.gov website

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  • So Barbados in total lockdown and govt has all but turn country into a police state
    What next ankle bracelets and shoot on sight

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  • @Artax

    Also what i said on BU before and hold firmly to still is this.

    I said the English language has thousands of words in it that one can use and hence there is no need to step into the gutter of profanity or vulgarity.

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  • A

    You still dodging my questions ?!

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  • @ John2

    Sorry got caught up here in some stuff. Give me a minute.

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  • Mari

    The lock down stopping the nighwatchman. From declaring her full slate of candidates in preparation to take us out the ankle bracelets and police state?

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  • @ John2
    If the borders are closed then they are closed to human traffic. If the 11 family memebers were in a country where the borders were closed like the UK is today they couldn’t have flown out could they? Likewise if the funeral was in a closed border country they couldn’t of flown in either.

    As for the visitors here they will be allowed to leave once flights existed or they would of had to wait till arrangements could be made for a repatriation flight and stayed on at their expense. You must be aware to return to the UK now British Nationals must pay their own quarantine costs of £1700 out of their own pocket? It’s is only here that we are paying their cost of quarantine out of the state’s coffers.

    Closed borders are closed borders to human traffic it really is not that hard to understand. Rememeber when Trinidad closed their borders and we had Trinis here who had to await special permission to be repatriated?

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    IF

    FACT is they were not in a country who borders were closed to Barbados

    And I totally disagreed with how the Trini treat it citizens

    U skirting around the questions

    What would u have done with the thousands of visitors here if you had just slammed the door shut in their faces on January 1st

    Even Trinidad had give a grace period

    Britain gave them a grace period to get back home and told them what measures they were going to implement

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  • @ angela cox February 20, 2021 8:02 PM

    I pray that next week our Supreme Leader orders two weeks of TOTAL lockdown.

    Total lockdown
    means shortest lockdown,
    means ultimate victory.

    We need a female Augusto Pinochet.

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  • @Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV February 20, 2021 7:06 PM

    Understood

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  • @john2

    Obviously you would of stated on December 18th or so you were locking down on January 1st. That would of given people and embassies time to deal with repatriation. You wouldn’t wake up new years eve in other words and announce closure the following day.

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  • @Tron February 20, 2021 6:35 PM “And what about the recent Nelson riots where the mob threatened our local businessmen?”

    I have absolutely no recollection of this.

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  • @Miller February 20, 2021 7:24 PM “Your historical review of public health in Barbados and its many challenges during the ‘centuries’ is quite sound. But you can expect the apologists like our own tar-brushed Johnny to try to ‘throw shade’.”

    Next thing the Lonely Londoner will be telling me that I was not immunized against yellow fever in 2003, not because there is any yellow fever in Barbados but because I was traveling to an area where yellow fever is endemic, and I love my country too much to have risked bringing asymptomatic yellow fever back with me and transmitting it to the the vector Aedes aegypti which as we all know is resident here.

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  • @ Tron February 20, 2021 10:01 pm

    “We need a female Augusto Pinochet”

    We don’t need a replica of
    Augusto José Ramón Pinochet.

    He was head of Chile’s military government (1974–90). During his dictatorial reign tens of thousands of opponents of his regime were tortured.

    Lord no 🥵

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    No it was not obvious

    You adding the 18th is now adding another dimension

    All the time I thought u were. Saying from Jan 1st because the outbreak was discovered at the end of December

    And I am sure others thought the same.
    Probably why David told you something about hindsight

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  • Piece the Prophet

    It has taken Senator Caswell Franklyn and some of you a long time to realise that Mia Mugabe Mottley is a despot.

    In the fulness of time the words of I, Piece the Prophet, have now permeated the skulls if many more of you

    AND YOU BAJANS ARE ALL SCARED!

    And rightfully so, for living in A PERPETUAL STATE OF EMERGENCY us a frightening place to be as you watch democracy die around you!

    So, under Cover of Night, Mugabe continues testing her new intelligence gathering equipment which permits her to

    See who you are calling
    Whether On your cell phones or land lines
    determine the duration of your calls and your pecking order
    Determine your political affiliation

    All in preparation for the upcoming General Election

    “…Therefore the skillful leader subdues the enemy’s troops without any fighting; (s)he captures their cities without laying siege to them; (s)he overthrows their kingdom without lengthy operations in the field…”

    Bajans, fir the most part, are a slow and slothful people.

    More suffering HAS TO COME so that a nation can wake up and understand what good government is.

    Until then, Senator Caswell Franklyn will have to make many more if these posts to deaf people.

    Especially while his impotent leader Joseph Atherley, tows the Mugabe line daily!

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  • “when cannabis cultivation in Britain had reached its peak. ”

    They are still the #1 exporter and farmers of marijuana but use it to criminalize and pauverize Black/African people world-wide through vicous laws…

    …i never want to see nor hear another black face sellout parliament nigga…they are the ones keeping Black populaitons in poverty and slave like conditions…so they can have false titles and false status…and steal whatever Black lives generate.

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  • New Black/African World Order…time to dump colonial parliament nigas.

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  • @Cuhdear Bajan, why don’t you listen to the Miller. While I have not been posting in recent times pretty much every day I’m keeping an eye on you.

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  • “See who you are calling
    Whether On your cell phones or land lines
    determine the duration of your calls and your pecking order
    Determine your political affiliation”

    nice to see them distracted with their own small time, petty, corrupt shit, they won’t see what’s coming at them next.

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  • @ John A

    I said the English language has thousands of words in it that one can use and hence there is no need to step into the gutter of profanity or vulgarity….(Quote)

    Great.

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  • Look, there are far worse drugs than marijuana circulating freely in the developed countries.

    Ecstasy, methamphetamines, opioids (including legal ones, wherein that wealthy company just had to pay a huge fine), doctors getting under the table payments to push opioids, this is documented. Those drugs are even widespread in US schools, in UK clubs. They were using methamphetamines, uppers and downers in US schools for decades. Disgusting environment for children. How many raves in the UK do not use ecstasy?

    Those things truly screw up peoples heads. And people wasting time chasing those with a spliff or two.

    Let us get real.

    My concern is about crystal meth being manufactured internally. It is not hard, particularly for someone with a chemistry background. All of the ingredients are available over the counter.

    I suspect that it is a good money earner on the Platinum Coast.

    When the tourises are here at least.

    Or maybe those people have the sense to stay away from that, they may just use the age old cocaine.

    If meth is being used by the poorer, as is likely, THAT is something you have got to shut down.

    Destructive beyond belief.

    An wunna worried about a spliff.

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  • @ Crusoe

    The good thing about this criminality is that when the white tourists return to the UK they usually tell their black friends what they got up to.
    That is how I got to hear about white Bajan prostitution on the West Coast.

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  • Did they remind you prostitution is the oldest profession practiced in all countries by all races and ethic groups. What about the fact the White prostitutes in Barbados are local as well as Europeans many hired as nannies by the rich and famous. Tell us something we do not know.

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