Lord Nelson Put to Rest

Finally the symbol of an oppressed colonial past was laid to rest. Nelson statue for years positioned at the top of Broad Street and lately in Heroes Square was removed by the Mia Mottley government on the International Day of Tolerance. History the blogmaster suspects will view this act- delayed though it was- kindly.

The Removal of the Statue of Lord Horatio Nelson [ Nov 16 2020 ]

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  • @Hants
    I can just imagine you with an afro-jack, bermuda shorts, black dress shoes and some ankle breaking socks.

    Talk of the down. King Dual envied you.
    … Just being silly …

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  • What about the Govt. considering an INHERITENCE TAX to bring in more taxes??????

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  • @ Carson

    Behave yourself. An inheritance tax? They would not do it in a month of Sundays. These governments are jokers. The president of the Senate once told me such a tax was ridiculous.

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  • 24 hrs has gone by since govt tek down Nelson
    24hrs later question relating how much It will cost annually to warehouse Nelson at the museum
    Place him in a bullet proof casing or and give Nelson private security
    All was told 20thousand was the starting figure to tek him down
    But the figures for relocation housing and other forms of security has not been given or asked of govt

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  • Sell him to some Brit(s)……… we could use the money!!!

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  • I thought they said a place had been identified for him by the museum? Why waste money storing him just build the podium and erect him and done.

    At these times we can’t spend for the sake.

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  • To clarify some of the rubbish posted by commenters recommending Nelson statue be dumped in the sea, Trevor Marshall advised that you cannot destroy the statue because it would endanger World Heritage designation.

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  • Maripoa, What a ridiculous comment.

    Security costs more than usual musuem costs, total rubbish.

    You are just opposing for its sake.

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  • The negative comments on the moving of the memorial to the non abolitionist Horatio Nelson are enlightening.

    What these comments demonstrate, is a lack of understanding of the dynamics of environment and acceptance of norms on the psyche.

    The lack of understanding also comes with no acknowledgement of historical wrongs and implications on today’s socioeconomic state.

    But carry on…. the more you write…

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  • CrusoeNovember 17, 2020 6:58 PM

    Maripoa, What a ridiculous comment.

    Security costs more than usual musuem costs, total rubbish.

    You are just opposing for its sake

    Xxxxcccccc

    You talking rubbish
    This statute is wrapped up historical controversy
    Nelson security would play a big part in his relocation especially if he will be placed in a well known location mostly frequented by visitors to the island
    Hence govt would have to dish out money making sure that thduring the relocation period Nelson safety is not violated by intruders wanting to steal the statue before he goes to the museum for display
    Meanwhile the work necessary to be done at the museum would include labour cost and various cost which includes mounting and casing
    It is not as if govt intended to dump him which would cost nothing

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  • Here is something for u David to sink yuh teeth robberies on the rise
    Dead bodies showing up in suspicious places
    All this happening today
    The news gets daunting more and more everyday in barbados
    Nelson is the least of Barbados problems
    Where is the attorney General
    Pomp and pageantry is not the answer to barbados crime
    Do i hear s loud steupse on those facts coming out of your mouth
    I think not

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  • John

    YOU TOO LIKE TRUMP.

    LOL

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  • @ David
    “The other initiative the blogmaster should have highlighted on BU was the decision to make a government radio station play 100% Bajan music. Another easy win to help with moulding/repairing the psyche of young Bajans.“(Quote)

    I congratulated the government on this within seventy two hours after this was done on BU. Not a single response.
    Happy to know you just got around to “ highlighting “ it.
    Peace.

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  • MAri
    U complain about the high unemployment
    Now you complaining if gardscgitvti be hired to guard Nelson?
    Just can’t please you
    What ever happen to him that provide work for someone is good .

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  • Here is a decent article in the Advocate about life after Heroes Square for Nelson.

    https://www.barbadosadvocate.com/news/new-role-lord-nelson-barbados-museum

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  • To do Barbados a big favour, the best place for Lord Nelson stature is somewhere at the bottom of the Caribbean sea. He represent one of the darkest moment’s of BLACK PEOPLE’S HISTORY and should be given an ignoble as possible send off. Just like WHITE BAJAN SLAVE MASTERS here in Barbados gave many of our ancestors.

    He is nothing to be celebrated. The WHITE BAJANS like him because he represented their continued domination of the BLACK PEOPLE. They need the representation of him to maintain their HELP influence of BLACK PEPLE. And he needed to be remove by a BLACK COMPANY not a white Bajan company

    This just years that he should he should have been taken down and consigned to a watery grave.

    It is disgusting to my Ancestors that he is still on Barbadian soil. All BLACK PEOPLE who mourn his departure are SIMPLY STUPID.

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  • I don’t care what Trevor Marshall recommended.

    The stature should have been broken into pieces before it was moved. He was a terrible insult to my Ancestors that is why he was put there by the WHITE BAJAN slave masters . To BLACK PEOPLE everywhere he was an ABOMINATION we had to live with.

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  • Hal November 17, 5.08 pm

    Maybe he said that to you because it would affect the 3% of the population. And he would bend over backwards to make sure that didn’t happened.

    Just like they promised us with the removal of the NSRL PRICES would come down.

    THEY HAVE SKYROCKTED!!!!!

    Figure that one out.

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  • On another topic.

    What is going to happen to the staff of club Barbados now that Barbados Workers Union is in the Barbados Labour Party’s Govt. pocket????

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  • @CCC
    now your undergears are showing……”because it would affect the 3% of the population.” The reason you are so excited about an inheritance tax is you figure it will hit the 3% disproportionately.

    A little secret…..people die, corporations and trusts do not. Avoiding inheritance, or many forms of estate taxes, is relatively simple. Granted it provides work for the lawyers and financial consultants. Taxes like capital gains taxes, and those on dividends between corporations are far easier to collect and more difficult to avoid.

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  • Before I forget:

    International Men’s Day (IMD) is on Thursday, November 19. A wonderful day.
    The WHOLE DAY.

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  • “…..people die, corporations and trusts do not.”

    Where you get that from????

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  • Carson C CadoganNovember 18, 2020 2:29 AM “…..people die, corporations and trusts do not.” Where you get that from????

    Northern attempted to explain the futility of implementing inheritance tax. Obviously went way past you.

    Yes, inheritance tax would impact all of the middle class heavily. As all other taxes. The rich, not so much.

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  • Carson,

    In a situation where the workers are owed by a company, they need to have a lawyer to enter an injunction to freeze company assets, including property and fixed assets and bank accounts.

    It needs to be done swiftly.

    If it sounds expensive, go for a couple of bright hungry young lawyers who want to make a mark.

    The sale proceeds of property should cover amounts owed. If it gets to that.

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  • If the Union is not acting with legal advice swiftly, the employees can do so

    The contract is between company and employees, not the union.

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  • “make a government radio station play 100% Bajan music”

    I prefer music from Jah Maker and A Merry Ka

    I’m not sure about Beige An muzak

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  • @ Tron

    I’m sure you’re aware Seawell Airport is now known as Grantley Adams International Airport; there is a statue of Barrow in Independence Square; the Central Bank is located in the Tom Adams Financial Centre; the Barbados Conference Centre has been renamed the Lloyd Erskine Sandiford Centre; and Thompson was honoured posthumously when the St. John Polyclinic was renamed The David Thompson Health & Social Services Complex.

    Recall after the death of Owen Arthur, your ‘supreme leader’ Ms Mottley floated the idea of renaming UWI Cave Hill after him, which did not really attracted any attention. ‘Not to be outdone,’ your ‘supreme leader’ likes doing things in ‘grand style.’

    Since Arthur was the PM who renamed Trafalgar Square to Heroes Square and introduced the national heroes concept………. and, despite whatever animosities that may have existed between him and Ms Mottley, they seemed to have forgiven each other………. taking into consideration, ‘not to be outdone,’ your ‘supreme leader’ likes doing things in ‘grand style,’……….do you know if she’s thinking about placing a statue of Arthur on the site where Nelson’s monument was once located?

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  • ********Recall after the death of Owen Arthur, your ‘supreme leader’ Ms Mottley floated the idea of renaming UWI Cave Hill after him, which did not really attracted any attention.

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  • Jah Knows (x2)

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  • @ David, I have read the Advocate newspaper link and was underwhelmed.

    The extreme left leaning Waru chastised me once for suggesting that recolonisation could be a way forward for Barbados.

    I have seen nothing in the crop of black Bajans dating back these last two/three decades that would suggest to me that these childlike adults are capable of understanding what the word independence means.

    Barbadians are unfit to govern themselves. This is apparent and is bourne out by this strange and rambling article in today’s Advocate.

    My heart will always remain with my fellow “orphans” black Bajans. However my brain tells me that these “orphans” are in need of parental care.

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  • “I have seen nothing in the crop of black Bajans dating back these last two/three decades that would suggest to me that these childlike adults are capable of understanding what the word independence means.”

    the extent to their mental capacity is to IMPRISON their own people in mental, social and economic bondage on slave plantations, that’s where they were placed themselves, but they found a financial OUT…robbing the people and country in their own fashion. …a twist to the social engineering.

    the CoE with their slave branding iron, is salivating to fulfull ya wishes, it’s so easy now, at least 90% are already mental slaves to the church and all the associated lies, fantasies and deliberate confusion…..

    if Mia had any intelligence worth anything, she would free the people.

    I give them how to information all the time.

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  • DBLPs slave plantations..

    “The Club Barbados Resort has joined a growing number of tourism players accused of severe injustices and broken promises to former employees who are now pleading for thousands of dollars owed to them ahead of Christmas.

    On Tuesday, approximately 60 ex-staff from a range of departments demonstrated for three hours outside the establishment at Sunset Crest, St James, demanding severance payments which were promised and later rescinded.

    Many of the affected workers say that in addition to needing the money to pay overdue loan and rent payments, they want to provide a decent Christmas for their families after a year of severe financial hardship.”

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  • But the workers can not employ Lawyers because they give all their monies to the Barbados workers Union to “represent” them as “Union dues”. The Barbados Workers Union don’t even have a STRIKE FUND as many people found out to their embarrassment.

    The “leaders” of the Barbados Workers Union are too busy driving around in their their MERCEDES cars bought AT THE WORKERS EXPENCE.

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  • What can the union do if the hotel is closed and has been for the last 6 months? Even if the property has equity how long will do t take to realize liquid cash to satisfy the immediate needs of displaced workers?

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    @David November 18, 2020 8:59 AM
    You’re right. The unions can’t do a single thing once the business has closed.

    The solution would require a change of government laws to allow immediate payment of severance payments by NIS and the reimbursement of this and all other outstanding NIS monies first and foremost before all other creditors or seizure of property and assets if bankruptcy is declared or any sale of assets by the business.

    This type of law may already exist but if it does not, they would need to put it in place quickly.

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  • TLSN

    Talk your talk. You are making a lot of sense. You are the only one showing BLACK BARBADIANS how the WHITE BAJANS think of BLACK BARBADIANS. Will they listen, I doubt it.

    “Barbadians are unfit to govern themselves.” that is how the WHITE BAJANS think of BLACK BARBADIANS. No matter they run their companies very well and make MILLIONS , upon MILLIONS of dollars for them. And give them all the NO BID CONTRACTS worth MILLIONS , UPON MILLONS EVERY YEAR. But give their members of their BLACK race the crumbs off the table. All money from our Treasury.

    “I have seen nothing in the crop of black Bajans dating back these last two/three decades that would suggest to me that these childlike adults are capable of understanding what the word independence means.””

    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

    HEAR, HEAR, do you two of these conkies that I am making?????

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  • As I have said, they all wasted their Barbados Workers dues they paid .

    Poor them.

    Move along, nothing to see here only BLACK PEOPLE being taken ADVANTAGED of!!!!!

    (As usual)

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  • Though armed with the same or similar information, it seems as if we have again separated ourselves into two groups.

    I would also bet that both groups wished that the workers could somehow be paid.

    So here we have a trinary solution
    the BLP solution,
    the DLP solution,
    and somewhere in between is a COVID-19 based reality solution.

    One group is much closer to reality than the other, but I suspect the last solution is the only one that matters.

    We now have the following: wrong/right/practical. Practical rules. Reality, like life, is a bitch

    Have a great day.

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  • @ David BU

    Club Barbados Resort is one of several examples why ‘government’ should think carefully about how the $300M ‘stimulus package’ being offered to the hotel industry.

    However, so far, what you’re reading from the usual political operatives is their usual political rhetoric. The Resort’s management entered into an agreement with former employees and subsequently rescinded. How is that unfortunate occurrence the BWU’s fault?

    I recall in July 2017, when Sandals Antigua demanded a waiver on food and alcohol duties, which the Antiguan government refused to grant. In retaliation, Butch Stewart announced the sudden closure of his Resorts, which was reported to have placed approximately 700 employees on the ‘bread line,’ claiming it was done in order for important maintenance work to be carried out.
    This prompted PM Browne to introduce and pass the Investment Authority Amendment Bill by Parliament, “which was designed to prevent any similar arbitrary and unilateral action by hotel operators in the future.”

    The House of Assembly is the appropriate environment for Toni Moore to show what she’s worth. And, the situation with Club Barbados provides her with the perfect opportunity to lobby government on behalf of hotel employees, and assist in formulating and enacting legislation to protect their rights.

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  • That WILL NEVER happen.

    Who cares about the WORKERS.

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  • @Artax

    Do we know if Club Barbados took up governments offer to issue preference shares, a prerequisite to draw down on the 300 million?

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  • An easy but pointless distraction away from doing something more useful. So, now that darkness has been shovelled out, will the light of William Wilberforce replace him? Wilberforce was the champion who Nelson explicitly cited as being against the whole slave-powered colonial system.

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  • And now you have said your piece! Next!

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  • Luc Chase [🇧🇧🇬🇧💷⚪] (@lucchase)November 18, 2020 11:19 AM

    An easy but pointless distraction away from doing something more useful. So, now that darkness has been shovelled out, will the light of William Wilberforce replace him? Wilberforce was the champion who Nelson explicitly cited as being against the whole slave-powered colonial system.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Did you know Wilberforce spoke against the abolition of slavery?

    Tru tru fact.

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  • My experience is the GOB pays the severance if the employer can’t and the business incurs a liability to the GOB!!

    The employees will be paid.

    …. once the NIS has money in it!!

    That’s part of the INSURANCE premium BOTH the employer AND employee have been paying.

    If the business goes bankrupt, the GOB can only write off the bad debt from it books.

    Of course the business could argue that the GOB mandated its shutdown so it is right that it bear the consequences of its actions.

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  • The I in the NIS insures/ensures the employee gets his/her severance.

    When is however the issue?

    Might be Nebruary!!

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  • Payments out of Fund to employees.

    (1) Where an employee claims that his employer is liable to pay him an
    employer’s payment and either
    (a) that he has taken all reasonable steps, other than legal proceedings, to
    recover the payment from the employer and that the employer has refused
    or failed to pay it or has paid part of it and has refused or failed to pay the
    balance; or
    (b) that the employer is insolvent and that the whole or part of the payment
    remains unpaid,
    the employee may apply to the Minister for a payment under this section.
    (2) Where on an application made under this section the Minister is
    satisfied
    (a) that the employee is entitled to the employer’s payment;
    (b) that the condition specified in either paragraph (a) or (b) of subsection
    (1) is fulfilled; and
    (c) that in a case where the employer’s payment is such a payment as is
    mentioned in paragraph (b) of subsection (1) of section 29, the employee’s
    right to the payment arises by virtue of a period of employment (computed
    in accordance with the agreement in question) which is not less than 104
    weeks, the Minister shall pay to the employee out of the Fund a sum
    calculated in accordance with the Fourth Schedule reduced by so much
    (if any) of the employer’s payment as has been paid.
    (2A) Where a sum is to be paid by the Minister out of the Fund to an
    employee in pursuance of subsection (2), that sum [1984-11.] is not to include
    any interest that may be payable by an employer under section 3A in respect of
    his unpaid severance payment; but is subject to interest calculated at the rate of
    one per cent per month and is payable by the employer in respect of whom the
    sum was paid.
    (3) Where the Minister pays a sum to an employee in respect of an
    employer’s payment
    (a) all rights and remedies of the employee with respect to the employer’s
    payment or (if the Minister has paid only part of it) all his rights and
    remedies with respect to that part of the employer’s payment, shall be
    transferred to and vest in the Minister; and
    (b) any decision of a tribunal requiring the employer’s payment to be paid
    to the employee shall have effect as if it required that payment, or, as the
    case may be, that part of it which the Minister has paid, to be paid to the
    Minister,
    and any money recovered by the Minister by virtue of this subsection shall be
    paid into the Fund.
    (4) Where the Minister pays a sum under this section in respect of an
    employer’s payment, then, subject to subsection (5), section 29 shall apply as if
    that sum had been paid by the employer to the employee on account of that
    payment; but if, in a case falling within paragraph (a) of subsection (1), it appears
    to the Minister that the refusal or failure of the employer to pay the employer’s
    payment or part of it, as the case may be, was without reasonable excuse, the
    Minister, subject to section 33, may withhold any rebate to which the employer
    would otherwise be entitled in respect of the employer’s payment, or may reduce
    the amount of any such rebate to such extent as the Minister considers
    appropriate.
    (5) For the purposes of this section, an employer shall be taken to be
    insolvent if
    (a) he has become bankrupt or has .made a composition or arrangement
    with his creditors;
    (b) he has died and an order has been made under section 118 of the
    Bankruptcy Act for the administration of his [Cap. 303.] estate according to
    the law of bankruptcy;
    (c) where the employer is a company-
    (i) a winding-up order has been made with respect to it; or
    (ii) a resolution for voluntary winding-up has been passed with
    respect to it; or
    (iii) a receiver or manager of its undertaking has been duly
    appointed ; or
    (iv) possession has been taken by or on behalf of the holders of
    any debentures secured by a floating charge of any property of the
    company comprised in or subject to the charge.
    (6) For the purposes of this section “legal proceedings” does not
    include any proceedings before a tribunal, but includes any proceedings to
    enforce a decision of a tribunal.

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  • “Do we know if Club Barbados took up governments offer to issue preference shares, a prerequisite to draw down on the 300 million?”

    @ David BU

    I’m not suggesting the resort’s management took up government’s offer. What I’m ‘saying’ is government should exercise some level of caution before disbursing the $300M. I also agree at least 3 years audited financial statements should one of the qualifying prerequisites before any funds are disbursed.

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  • What is the purpose of the preferred share offering to gain eligibility? The GoB gets the preferred shares as collateral?
    It is known that the ultimate owner, Fairweather Group, did get a PPP loan in the USA, but that likely is use restricted to USA employees.
    There are going to be many of these sad situations.

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  • It is known that the ultimate owner, Fairweather Group, did get a PPP loan in the USA, but that likely is use restricted to USA employees.

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    In other words, an applicant business which has a foreign affiliate that has 500+ employees living outside of the United States may still be eligible for a PPP loan under the Interim Final Rule.” Paul Hastings LLP, Borrower’s Guide to PPP Loans, dated April 8, 2020.May 11, 2020

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  • These WHITE BAJANS like they are ANGRY that supporter of the Slave trade LORD NELSON STATURE got taken down.

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  • Cruises called until MARCH 2021:

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  • SHOULD BE “CANCELED”

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  • @ John November 18, 2020 12:30 PM
    “Did you know Wilberforce spoke against the abolition of slavery?
    Tru tru fact.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wasn’t Paul a bounty hunter of members of the Essene cult the forerunners of so-called Christians?

    Maybe poor W W, like Saul, saw the Light and accomplished what the Quakers failed to do in 150 years.

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  • @ Artax November 18, 2020 6:00 AM

    I speak here only as a concerned citizen who does not belong to any party and is therefore neutral. My admiration for our Supreme Leader is purely objective and fact-based.

    Of course, naming buildings is primarily a political act to appease the naive, lethargic masses and to humiliate opponents.

    That is why we have the Errol Barrow cinema on the Cave Hill Campus. A centre of fictional art goes very well with a braggart. When our Great Leader raises her little predecessor to be the namesake of the campus, he stands one step above Barrow.

    However, the small predecessor would indeed be very useful as a statue at Heroes’ Square. As a placeholder for a far greater being, greater than all legends and greater than life.

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  • He shouldda been moved eva since.

    Put a woman there. Any Bajan woman has done more for Barbados than the old English sailor.

    I don’t understand why we spent decades pussy footing ’round the old thing.

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  • Although I heard said that Bajan parents once used to ask their children to salute Nelson.

    That has never been my experience. I guess that i was blessed with too sensible parents.

    Actually I have NEVER saluted, nor curtsied to anybody living or dead in my whole life,, and I don’t plan to start doing so now.

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  • @Critical Analyzer November 17, 2020 8:07 AM “I willing to bet some of the same white people the racist people constantly bitching about slavery does cry down laughing all the way too the bank cause they get some of the money to move it.”

    Actually I know the guy whose company moved Nelson. He is a black guy. Very nice guy too.

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  • Carson C CadoganNovember 18, 2020 2:59 PM

    These WHITE BAJANS like they are ANGRY that supporter of the Slave trade LORD NELSON STATURE got taken down.

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    Trevor Marshall doesn’t agree with you.

    “Well-known historian Trevor Marshall has suggested that potential backlash from black Barbadians is likely the reason for Government postponing the removal of the Lord Nelson statue from Heroes Square.

    Despite a strong public movement to force the Barbados Labour Party-led administration to get rid of the statue, Marshall, who has publicly called for Nelson’s removal for almost 30 years, said he believes black Barbadians were more likely to be upset than white people if it was removed.”

    He has spent his whole life trying to upset white people only to realise now in his twilight it is black Barbadians who will be upset.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2020/08/25/historian-delay-in-moving-nelson-about-blacks/

    What a complete waste of a life!!

    You could learn a thing or two from Trev’s waste.

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  • @David November 17, 2020 7:16 AM “What to replace Nelson will be contentious…”

    Why David?

    As I said any woman will do. Bajan women have worked so hard these past 393 years, worked through the racism, worked through the white misogyny and the black misogyny, worked through the rapes, raised the children conceived through rape, with little help from their fathers white or black.

    And yet not a single statue to us? Wha’ happen. we don’t exist? Except as workers in the home in the filed, in the kitchens, in the shops in the bedrooms?

    Stupssseee!!!

    On Monday I was thinking and realized that Barbados’ Parliament has has 77 Speakers in the House, and yet not a single woman. Wha’ happen? Women have no voice?

    We need right there a woman representing the mothers of our nation, the woman who raised the black children, the mulatto children and the white children.

    I am good with Nanny Grigg.

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  • @ Cuhdear BajanNovember 18, 2020 5:36 PM

    What about Rachel Pringle?

    That entrepreneurial woman must have earned thousands of shillings in her day from the pockets of the same “English sailors” into her hairy purse to make Bridgetown the commercial hub of the BWI.

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  • John, John A and Tron.

    24 hours have passed.

    Dry your tears.

    Put on you big boy sliders.

    And do whatever you can to make Barbados a better place.

    Welcome to the 21st century.

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  • @Simple Simon

    Sliders?

    LOL

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  • Critical Analyzer

    We don’t need anymore statues in this country. We like creating idols that say nothing instead of writing down history.

    Leave the location empty and put cobblestones, benches or something simple there to match back with the surroundings. Fix the fountain so it has water running again and put a National Heroes cenotaph nearby. They can chisel in the new Heroes every year.

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  • Drawers, BVD’s, bibadees, boxers, underwear, underpants.

    Get dressed and get to WORK.

    Since I have been told that tomorrow in International Men’s Day

    A Happy Men’s Day to ALL of the men of BU.

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  • Good advice! Put on wuhnuh big boy sliders! The son of a bitch is down. He ent goin’ back up. The money spent went to a black business. Donna and Cuhdear Bajan rejoicing!

    Oh happy day!

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  • @John November 17, 2020 8:23 PM

    Nope.

    We can’t replace one old white male devil, with another.

    NEVER.

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  • @MTA
    Rachel Pringle, she makes my whole botsy tremble….or sumting like dat?

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  • Nothing will be laid to rest until racist Crime Minister Mia is exposed for her crimes < Beatrice E Henry and Violet C Beckles are True Heros and Queens of Barbados can be placed there,! removing an old dead white man is a start, but schools and people are hungry in Barbados, Nelson gets home as some are still homeless, there are no Bajan women to be placed there that we know off with more impact on Barbados than Beatrice E Henry, aka SUGAR for the many Plantations she bought witness by Mia grandfather E.D Mottley! Mia and her father E.D Mottley 2nd went to school to be lawyers on Money made working for Beatrice E Henry! Lawyer was low paid professions, but Bajan builds them under the Queen to act like they were worthy of Freedom of Information Freedom of Speech, Freedom put back records stolen or hidden from public eyes at the Archives, which will open the Banks Doors in Barbados with over 24 Billion to the people to get loans to build over 30,000 house and not pig pens! BFP

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  • @Cuhdear

    Whether Nelson is there or not is of no interest to me. It makes my day no better or worst.

    To me though history can not be changed. Taking down Nelson will change it no more than when we put up Bussa. History is history and no one can change it.

    It just amuses me how different our outlook is to the people in Antigua. I did some work there and the first thing an Antiguan asks you proudly is ” have you visited Nelson Dockyard?” Nelson and his historic Dockyard there is the single biggest tourist attraction on the island. One island wants to destroy its history and the other intends to prosper from it.

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  • Tron November 18, 2020 4:56 PM #: “I speak here only as a concerned citizen who does not belong to any party and is therefore neutral. My admiration for our Supreme Leader is purely objective and fact-based.”

    @ Tron

    The second sentence in your contribution is absolutely hilarious. I can’t imagine you saying it with a ‘straight face.’

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  • @ Northern Observer November 18, 2020 7:14 PM

    Yes, “NO”, yes, that same Rachel P immortalized in song by the “Merry Men”.

    The very Rachel with the clutch bag for a ‘P’ which used to pull English soldiers and sailors to her ‘internationally-renown’ brothel in Bridgetown.

    Why do you think there were so many mulatto picaninnies around Bridgetown in those days without widespread contraceptives?

    Maybe the Bajan authorities- in order to enhance the reputation of Bridgetown as a place of ‘Special Interests’- can erect a miniature statue of that Lady Rachel of the Night similar to that seen in the ‘Red Light district of Amsterdam.

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  • Northern Observer,

    Lol. Sticking with the topic of the week…

    I know you know it is “body tingle”.

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  • @John A

    The history of Nelson and Antigua is different compared to Barbados.

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  • Happy International Mens Day.

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  • Imagine a world where the descendants of the oppressed celebrate and legitimise their historical oppressors at the expense of their own people.

    We are told that we need to find a home for Nelson, yet no credible attempt has ever been made to give voice to and to pay homage to our ancestors. Where are the memorials of our ancestors that should be etched throughout our island? Has any government ever attempted to mark the burial grounds of our slave ancestors who remain invisible. Where is the respect for them and us?

    We have over 100,00 yearly sun worshippers who come to visit our island and leave without having any knowledge of Barbados dreadful slave history.

    Imagine going to and leaving Auschwitz without been informed of the town’s terrible Nazi legacy. Shameful!!!

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  • @Hal,
    The contribution of the Windrush generation and their descendants has never really been documented. Our contribution and the influence that we have had on British culture is indelible; yet it has been ignored by film makers. Who can forget Hugh Grant’s Notting Hill film where there were no black characters.

    Steve McQueen is a serious director. Let us just be happy that he has had the chance to display his talent, alongside the various cast members. His Small Axe series will be promoted internationally.

    I believe that there is only one surviving member from the Mangrove nine.

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  • (Quote):
    We have over 100,00 yearly sun worshippers who come to visit our island and leave without having any knowledge of Barbados dreadful slave history.

    Imagine going to and leaving Auschwitz without been informed of the town’s terrible Nazi legacy. Shameful!!! (Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because the ‘average’ black Bajan is dreadfully ashamed of their past and finds it most uncomfortable to talk about it; much unlike the Jews who wallow in their holocaust experience.

    Some under the influence of our own BU John would argue slavery never existed and was more a programme of rescue of the persecuted blacks from Islamic oppression in West Africa and brought to the Christian West of refuge and enlightenment.

    Many Bajan blacks still see slavery as a blessing form their adopted god Yahweh since they are now allowed to worship the white man gods in order to receive salvation and a place in paradise producing the milk and honey (tending to the cows, plants and bees) for the white androgynous angels like Gabriel(le) and Michel(le).

    Some even are looking forward be allowed in the all-white supremacist choir to sing and dance for their heavenly supper.

    There is definitely some forex (the main god of modern Bajans) to be extracted from such soul-cleansing tours by making them pay penance, in some financial form like buying indulgences, for the collective guilt of their ‘slavery-infected’ ancestors.

    Now that would be another form of reparations the likes of Trevor Marshall should welcome!

    Miller the Sunworshipper.

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  • @TLSN

    Steve is an award-winning director, he does not need BBC exposure. Your point about the Caribbean community is well made. Of ALL the communities in the UK, the Caribbean community has been the worst treated. We have also been ignored by our own governments.
    As to documenting our history, I do not think we have to wait for the BBC to tell us our history. Accuracy is more important that just a few minutes on BBC1. Even our relatives and friends in the Caribbean know very little about us.
    I will tell a little story. Some time ago a very good friend of mine, someone I had known since the early 1970s, sadly no longer with us, wrote a small booklet in which I was mentioned.
    And this guy described me as a former probation officer. I have never had anything to do with the probation service, as worker or client. I do know some probation officers, however, and they are very sociable. All this guy had to do was to pick up his phone and ask me. Fifty years from now someone doing research will copy that as proof that I was a probation officer. Accuracy is very important.
    Go back to the story of Christine Keeler and how she was portrayed on TV and cinema. Note the marginalisation of black Caribbean men, the backbone of her harassment by the state. Christine Keeler was targeted by Notting Dale police because she was dating black men, the bit about spying was a separate story.
    Or look at the film, Notting Hill, and note the almost total absence of black people. Remember this is the area that most non-Jamaican black people settled and lived and established their carnival – and the Mangrove Restaurant. Accuracy is important.
    Language is also quite important: race relations become diversity, become equalities, become hate crime, become human rights, become Black and Minority Ethnic – anything but racial discrimination.
    Fifty years from now, if we are to believe some people, books will be telling us that there was no or very little racial discrimination in the UK.

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  • @ Cuhdear Bajan November 18, 2020 6:26 PM

    Why the Nanny? Our Supreme Leader would be the far better choice for a new monument.

    Didn’t she lead us – like a shepherd leads his sheep – safely through the dark valley of the pandemic? Has she not accomplished the conviction of an opposition leader? Has she not almost halved the debt?

    In the past, such deeds would have been called miracles.

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  • Stories of Bajans living in England are being published in the Sunday Sun. Stories of Bajans in America are always being published in the Sunday Sun.

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  • @Hal,
    Point taken. When I was growing up I heard that Elvis Presley was the king of Rock and Roll; and that Benny Goodman was the king of Swing/big band Jazz music. Goodman had to hire Fletcher Henderson to compose his music because he could not articulate the sound that he was looking for. Whilst Elvis was immersed in black culture from when he was a toddler.

    A common expression now in fashion: “people of colour” further adds to the neutralisation of black causes.

    We need a concerted effort at all levels to promote the truth. It is for others to build on the legacy of McQueen.

    Our government should be serious about Caribbean culture in the same way that European countries attempt to do – especially, in France.

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  • There is on the boardwalk in Bridgetown a narrative that tells of the slave trade. Trevor Marshall does tours of Bridgetown and I have run into him on many occasions standing on that spot very with his audience of tourists.

    My best friend does tours and Bussa, Nelson and other such memorials are among the topics covered. Tourists have been known to pause in pensive thought as my friend is genuine, articulate and not accusing or belligerent. Just the facts and the residual consequences from the perspective of the wronged party.

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  • @ Tron November 19, 2020 9:25 AM
    “In the past, such deeds would have been called miracles.@
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL!!! The court jester of supremely ironic sycophancy is at his best.

    Next minute you would be calling for (before death) the beatification and apotheosis of Saint MIA of Los(t) Barbadoes.

    How about a statue in recognition of the real power and tower of support behind the scenes called “Amor”?

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  • @TLSN

    Next time you are in Covent Garden visit the London Transport Museum and you will see a history of Barbadians who left that little island to work in London in the 1950s and 60s..
    Or next time you are passing through London Bridge tube station exit at the Borough market and you will see a photo display of a Barbadian bus conductor memorialising his colleagues, those men and women who worked as conductors on London buses. It is a picture of the late Ralph Straker.
    London Transport sent researchers down to Barbados to research its history of recruiting from that little island; at the same time, there is no memorial in Barbados of the Diaspora.
    Tells you all you want to know.

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  • message iconColonialism Reparation – Press release United States: It Is Time for Reparations
    Colonialism Reparation welcomes that in the United States of America reparations are gaining traction and invites all the other federal, state and local administrations to take action in the same direction.On March 1, 2019, giving continuity to the action of congressman John Conyers Jr. begun in 1989 and those who preceded and accompanied himcongresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee introduces the bill 40 to establish a Commission to study and develop reparation proposals for African-Americans, holding during the legislature a public hearing and gathering the support of 162 representatives20 senators and the United States Conference of mayors.On January 14, 2020 in New Jersey senators Ronald Rice and Sandra Cunningham introduce the bill 322 to establish a Reparations Task Force to conduct research and develop reparatory proposals and recommendations.
    On February 7, 2020 in Maryland delegate Wanika Fisher introduces the bill 1201to establish a Reparations Commission to develop and administer a program for the provision of compensatory benefits to the descendants of individuals enslaved in the State.
    On February 13, 2020 in Illinois representatives William Davis and Carol Ammons introduce the bill 5024 to establish a African descent-citizens reparations Commission.
    On February 21, 2020 in California assemblymember Shirley Weber introduces the bill 3121 to establish a Task Force to study and develop reparation proposals for African Americans, which is approved and enters into force on September 30, 2020.On June 5, 2019 the City Council of Evanston in Illinois adopts resolution 58launching a local reparations process with the creation of a dedicated Subcommittee, a dedicated fund and the first reparatory measures.
    On June 17, 2020 the City Council of Chicago in Illinois adopts resolution 694launching a local reparations process with the creation of a dedicated Commission.
    On August 10, 2020 the City Council of Burlington in Vermont adopts resolution 7.06 launching a local reparations process with the creation of a dedicated Task Force.
    On August 18, 2020, the County Commission of Kalamazoo in Michigan adopts resolution 1917 launching a local reparations process.
    On October 20, 2020 the City Council of Carrboro in North Carolina adopts resolution 382 launching a local reparations process.
    On October 20, 2020 the supervisor of San Francisco in California Shamann Walton presented the ordinance 201190 to launch a local reparations process.Colonialism Reparation welcomes that in the United States of America reparations are gaining traction and invites all the other federal, state and local administrations to take action in the same direction, keeping the electoral promises made.For further information, inquiries and interviews:
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  • (Quote):
    It is a picture of the late Ralph Straker.
    London Transport sent researchers down to Barbados to research its history of recruiting from that little island; at the same time, there is no memorial in Barbados of the Diaspora.
    Tells you all you want to know. (Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Quite true!

    A genuine but cryptic criticism of Bajan ungratefulness towards a group of Bajan-born people making up one of the biggest contributors to the country’s forex-earning capacity and the development of the Bajan economy especially in the area of housing construction.

    Not even a register of appreciation to recognize those who boarded ocean liners like the SS Sorento and went into the bowels of a maddeningly cold world called England the mother country of racism.

    Not even a listing on some large plague near the Wharf in recognition of those bold and brave emigrants/migrant workers representing a reverse replica of Ellis Island.

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  • @ Tron

    I disagree I feel a monument of Gearbox should replace Nelson as he was a true man of the city.

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  • How about building a digital monument with images of Nation Heroes ?

    “Just beyond your imagination ” ?

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  • @ Hants November 19, 2020 11:32 AM

    Now that’s what you call a forward thinking man of vision!

    The future is digital not so much physical.

    Even holograms can depict the contributions to struggle of social and economic freedom by those heroes (and fallen warriors in the wars of liberation).

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  • TLSNNovember 19, 2020 7:36 AM

    Yours, Miller’s and Hal’s contributions above are poignant. It also drives right to the heart of the reason for moving the Nelson statue and even to the objection to it being moved.

    I posit that there has not been a discussion and openness about the move forward from the past slavery.

    The country changed via emancipation and then independence, but much of the vestiges of slavery were left to be ‘sorted out’ via some sort of natural progression. I am not a historian, so maybe the historians have a better view on this.

    However, even the disturbance on the moving of the statue shows that there is not enough compassion and empathy for those whose ancestors were slaves.

    Many of us have ancestry of both European and African. That is for each of us to come to terms with. However, we need to respect the reality of brutality that was slavery and that celebrating, because that is what it is, those who participated in it, as national icons, is inappropriate.

    A person may look at their great, great grandfather who may have owned a plantation and be in awe that they have the same facial structure, etc. That is one thing and it cannot be changed, Those were ancestors who lived by the time. Such cannot be denied and there is no need for the person to disown their ancestor.

    But to ascribe to the view that the nation should continue to hold onto old icons, of a terrible past, is another matter.

    There is a time to move on, now is it. Particularly as some of the larger nations are also at a ross roads of political ideology.

    National icons should reflect who and what the nation is as a people and who and what the people wish to be.

    Removing Nelson’s statue does not mean that Barbadians as a nation do not like the British, or do not like white people. It simply means two things. That that statue represents an oppressive and cruel past and that it also does not represent the present nor future.

    The nation needs to look to recognise the victories of the past fifty years and as Hal rightly says, there were many, including those who bravely stepped forward to seek fortunes elsewhere.

    The nation also needs to be introspective and look at where the people want to go. I do think that there was generally good guardianship by those to whom the transition into independence was entrusted, the leaders, the civil servants and the workers.

    As you are aware, there were also some who acted to seek self enrichment at the expense of the many, but I see those as being the few, who breached protocols.

    The main thing is that the nation keeps a view on the goals, a compass of sorts. Events are one offs, principles are what lead to enduring success.

    What has the country done well as a people? What has gone wrong? Where does the nation wish to go?

    These are the questions that we need to address as a people, in order to move forward.

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  • @ Crusoe

    If I use your argument then Rome should bulldoze the colosium too then. After all slaves were take there to be killed for the entertainment of the public. Or is it the fact that they were white that makes there ok?

    What about all other historic sites worldwide most of whom are popular tourist attractions, should they be destroyed too then if their past reflects enslavement or oppression of any particular race? What about the historic garrison where the enforcers of the plantocracy were posted, should that be bulldozed too? The argument you are putting forward can not hold up to any logical scrutiny.

    History is history none of us can change it. Removing statues and erecting others will change nothing. I was happy when Bussa was erected as it showed all sides of our history. We had Nelson in town and Bussa at Haggatt Hall. We lack balance in our decisions and must realise that history is carved in stone. We just don’t care as was evident when the BWA destroyed that historic under group building in the Pine.

    I go back to Antigua and say they have shown us how if one takes the other road you can enrich your own people of today with history. As has St Kitts too I must say.

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  • Okay, so you guys want a memorial. Make sure you put my mother’s name on it! My three great aunts, my great grandmother, my aunt and my uncle and numerous old cousins dating back to my grandmother’s generation.

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  • The only reparations worth seeking are from China over the damage it has caused to 186 + nations in the world.

    The Only man capable of doing that is Donald Trump.

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  • An arena is not a statue of a “hero” being looked up to. Nelson is not being destroyed. He has been removed from HEROES SQUARE and will be put on display in a more appropriate location where his story will be told but not celebrated.

    Wuhnuh head real hard doah!

    It will change nothing for you. How do you know that it changes nothing for anybody else? It changed something for ME as I watched it come down. It changed something for those ordinary Bajans who gathered to watch and cheer as it fell.

    If statues mean nothing then why do we erect them? Why are they prevalent in religious worship?

    Some people are so one dimentional and assume everyone is like them.

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