
I did not know what to make of last nightโs [1 April 2020] announcement. We continue to treat this COVID-19 as a political exercise. However, it seems to have finally dawned on someone that their political games will have fatal consequences.


I did not know what to make of last nightโs [1 April 2020] announcement. We continue to treat this COVID-19 as a political exercise. However, it seems to have finally dawned on someone that their political games will have fatal consequences.
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@ Grenville
well you tried. but MAM got this.
i said here that we should have gone from Stage 1 to Stage 3, especially after we learnt and saw how the virus was devastating Italy and after i learnt that Govt brought back bajan students from China and allowed Chinese working in Bim to return and asked them to self isolate. what a joke. they should have been quarantined to ensure no community spread.
David and others tried to argue i was wrong and govt was following WHO’s recommendation. maybe so but one must pivot when circumstances demand it, and circumstances did at that stage. now we are in hurry up / panic mode. i wish Bim well but we were ill served.
NB- i have no issues with Bim accepting the 35 stranded Trinies
@greene
Where is the evidence that any country is wrong? In a few months a more accurate assessment can be made.
We are all nothing more than armchair critics.
I am curious: The article is written as though the author and his cohorts are authorities in the fields. The authorities haven’t done a bad job given the constraints the country faces in terms of the economy. As I have said, the problem is one of containment. This is particularly so,when there are unknown carriers(people who unwittingly are exposed to those who show no signs of the disease and then ,themselves come down ill). This would have happened regardless to whether or not closed borders were instituted. At some point the infection would have reached Barbados. There are two choices: one test all Barbadians. The cost and availability of the test kits are also a major problem. Major industrialized countries are themselves having problems getting hold of the test kits. The proposed curfew as an alternative is the only choice left. By instituting the curfew, if it is rigorously enforced, hot spots of infections can readily be identified , isolated and treated. The hot spots would indicate the sites were the unknown carriers are. One criticism I have and that is the curfew should be extended for at least twenty-eight days. The reason for saying so, is the fact that there will be variability in the incubation period of the virus by individuals
Why jump to the conclusion that the failure invite the writer was based on political consideration?
I wrote previously suggesting that the borders be closed. That did not happen for a number of reasons. The solution now is to get fully behind the authorities and hope that the containment efforts succeed. Recriminations at this time are pointless.
The task is to find who has been infected with covid 19 and isolate them quickly so that no one else is exposed. In Asian countries you can expect to have your temperature taken numerous times and if it is elevated you will not be allowed to go home. Your family will be notified that they need to self isolate for 14 days. You will be isolated and tested until it is proven that you are not contagious. Since massive testing is not an option, isolating people who may have been exposed is critical. Also they are finding out that covering our face helps by keeping our germs from infecting other people that are in close proximity.
Wrong David , if a country did nothing and now takes a course it can be cited as slow to react , incompetent maybe but when a country takes a position then has to make a 180 degree turn then they were wrong. Canada has had an open door policy till march 18 or so we followed WHO advice in jan when they were putting out bs in jan. now our travel is restricted too late I cant visit my kids or friends because of Waru;s putz who put political correctness over common sense. Now his wife has gone to the cottage on the Quebec side to be out of harm as the rest of us are told don’t go to your cottages and stay out of Quebec, you cant make this shit up.He was on tv yesterday telling Canadians how its their fault for not isolating that this problem has come about nothing he did LOL so yes David you can be wrong. I wonder who is gonna come out of their hole first Justin or Mia.
@ David
you learn from others mistakes and what others are facing.
italy showed how devastating this virus can be and we should have pivoted to stage 3 bypassing stage 2. instead we steadfastly stuck to the WHO plan, allowing community spread and only moved to stage 3 when we realized we had lost containment.
nonsense. plans have contingency pans. remember stage 3 required a certain amount of confirmed cases and we moved to that stage 1 short. if we could do that then we could have moved to stage 3 from stage 1 when we learnt that people were not self isolating. we would have been 2 weeks ahead of the game.
Someone please explain how 45 infected people who present a high risk of infecting an entire population of 300 hundred thousand people can be considered a good job
But then again Trump thinks that 100hundred thousand deaths in New York is the equivalent of doing a good job
Dont even try explaing the basics of containing the virus at the early stages to blp supporters
Let them suffer under 24hr house arrest
Just maybe they would understand the meaning of Prevention better than cure
Only a jac.a.ss would ignore the warning signs coming from those countries that were and still is devastated by the virus
Asinine to keep the borders open and allow free movement of the virus from infected people
But then again the bottom line has spoken louder than the interest of the people
Go figure
When the news started to break that a sinister virus was stalking a region in China, I recommended that we blocked entry to Chinese nationals. Shortly after making that announcement I stated that Barbados should go into an immediate lock down: nothing in and nothing out!
My reasoning was based on the reality that an impoverished and indebted island – which Barbados is – lacked the infrastructure and the resources to defend itself for one day; yet alone one week.
I argued that we should have ignored the advise of the W.H.O. We witnessed this murderous virus cutting a swathe through many countries. Our response was to wait for the 24/25th affected person, in accordance with the W.H.O., prior to taking action. Too bloody late!
So like sheep we bleat about testing the whole population knowing full well that this is beyond the realms of highly developed countries such as the UK.
We know who the sinners are who have probably brought destruction to this country. It is a minority of individuals who kept the door opened in order that their businessess were not impacted. I hope that the majority of Barbados in time to come would have taken note.
I also hope that Mia will in time distance herself from these individuals.
A mountain out of a molehill.
You are aware the majority of cases are bajans returning from New York?
if@ TLSN
But things have been going from bad to worse. First, the chief medical officer, Mr George, has not been heard of recently. Anyone knows what happened to him? Then the president went off at this crucial time for a ‘medical procedure’, leaving us to imagine if it was an urgent matter.
Then we got the curfew, when that did not work we got the attorney general expanding on it; when that did not work we got the acting prime minister extending the curfew in to a lockdown. Then, within hours, they were fine tuning that lockdown.
In the meantime, a sociologist, with experience of Ebola (what kind of experience, was he a victim?) was appointed coronavirus Czar; but a fully qualified and experience epidemiologist at the UWI was largely ignored.
In the meantime we are told that UWI staff made a contribution to the model the government is working from. Who at UWI worked on this model? And what does the model say?
Some of us are concerned about the food crisis following, but food stores (supermarkets) are closed. How are hungry people going to feed themselves? They cannot even buy rum to drown their sorrows. Why?
Confusion, bad (and absent) political leadership, a lack of professional guidance, all these and more while the nation faces the worst pandemic in its history.
This from the best leader in the country, a woman who punches above her weight, who is world class.
shoulda woulda coulda…..but I can and I will
Ok . the excuse being that the black bajans are responsible for bringing the virus to the barbados therefore the ports should be opened
So now does that mean that govt late measures should be excused
Really.
Well i dont think so.
What i understand that the political battle for the mind on this issue will be real and deceptive
Here we go again.
First of all a public announcement was made that former chief medical officers acting was sent on leave. Secondly the PM stated she was advised to do a medical procedure which was successful and she is happily recuperating. This has not prevented her from participating in ministerial meetings via ZOOM. You are a piece of work
Occasionally I have to break my vow of avoiding your stupidity to disavow you of thinking you are smart. Mr George has gone on leave. What does that mean?
The president had a medical procedure. What is that? We were told by the acting prime minister that she took part in a meeting, which I am sure is true. What citizens want to know is how is she recuperating and what was wrong? How serious was her medical procedure. She is paid by taxpayers so taxpayers ought to be told.
Name a single leader in the civilised world that was on sick leave and a full explanation was not given to the people.
Hope Jong “got this”
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It is none of your damn business. It is her judgement to make. Maybe it was her fibroids, or her ‘womb’ was removed. If it is not dehablitating how is it your business? If it was life threatening another conversation but it will her judgement to make. In Barbados there is no precedent to how we manage health issues for leaders i.e. to bear their souls to the public. It is a judgement thing, it is not right or wrong thing r 3, 2020
CORONA CRISIS AND THE CONCENTRATION OF CONTROL?
THINGS TO PONDER:
The Russian dictator Joseph Stalin stated: โCrisis alone permitted the authorities to demand โ and obtain โ total submission and all necessary sacrifices from its citizens.โ
Machiavelli stated: โPolitics have no relation to morals.โ
Fidel Castro, the leader of Communist Cuba, explained: โThe revolution needs the enemy … The revolution needs for its development its antithesisโ … And if enemies were lacking, they had to be fabricated.โ
There is a tactic called โgaining the moral high ground,โ where those concentrating power need the public to perceive them as having superior altruistic motives, while at the same time, they must portray anyone voicing concern over potential unconstitutional power grabs as having irresponsible, selfish motives. Healthcare crises can be particularly opportune times to demand citizens give up rights, as anyone voicing concern can be maligned as uncaring.
The CDC estimates that in the United States, there are 30,000 flu-related deaths annually.
HIV/AIDS Pandemic (2005-2012) Death Toll: 36 million. Cause: HIV/AIDS
Flu Pandemic (1968) Death Toll: 1 million. Cause: Influenza
Asian Flu (1956-1958) Death Toll: 2 million. Cause: Influenza
Flu Pandemic (1918) Death Toll: 20 -50 million. Cause: Influenza
Sixth Cholera Pandemic (1910-1911) Death Toll: 800,000+ Cause: Cholera
Flu Pandemic (1889-1890) Death Toll: 1 million. Cause: Influenza
Third Cholera Pandemic (1852โ1860) Death Toll: 1 million Cause: Cholera
The Black Death (1346-1353) Death Toll: 75 โ 200 million. Cause: Bubonic Plague
Plague of Justinian (541-542) Death Toll: 25 million. Cause: Bubonic Plague
Antonine Plague (165 AD) Death Toll: 5 million. Cause: Unknown
COVID-19 DEATHS LESS THAN 50,000 WORLDWIDE AS OF 2ND APRIL 2020, OUT OF 7.5 BILLION PEOPLE.
IT IS ESTIMATED THAT FORTY TWO MILLION CHILDREN ARE KILLED EACH YEAR WORLDWIDE BY ABORTION. HOW MANY ARE KILLED IN BARBADOS?
We Are Pretty Much At This Point, How Many Emergencies Are Left Until All Freedoms Are Eroded?!
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David BU why do you bother with this knowall Austin? The guy is a joker.He is in England where they have all kind of problems with this virus.Let him tell us what they are doind to sucessfully combat the virus tbere.You told him that Dr George is on leave he pretends he is a retard and does not understand what that means.He wants to knoe what wad Ms Mottley,s medical problem why ? What is that to do with you?As stated before when your bright hero Mr Tho.mpson was ill flying in and out on clico,s private jet most bajans did not know what his illness was for months and i did not hear you calling for disclosure.Austin you are a disrespectful hyprocrite and the blogmaster should not tolerate it.
โHowever, we have muddied the waters.
We have publicly tried to embarrass US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, when he visited the Caribbean. CBC-TV also tries to find the most embarrassing stories about US President Trump (including from the anti-US Islamic station, Al Jazeera), which they air, every night, during the 7:00 pm news.
These reckless actions risk harming us all, when we need to call on our proven friends for assistance. They also make requesting assistance embarrassing, given our past behaviour. However, we should swallow our pride and do what is necessary for Barbados.โ
I have refrained from submitting any thing on BU in relation to the Corona virus. I plainly stated before that this is a time for us all to support our government as it grapples with this pandemic. I will continue to refrain from the debate on BU and continue to support the government in all its efforts.
However I am very offended by the above statement. To suggest that by refusing to attend a meeting with some US government official has โmuddiedโ waters and we must now grovel to get assistance is an insult to our statehood and sovereignty. To even write such nonsense demonstrates that even in a national crisis some of us cannot dig deep enough to understand what real nationalism means. A shame on you Mr. Phillips.
I will continue my position of giving our government continued support as it grapples with this unprecedented crisis which is not of our making.
Having read the above comment
I would continue to support Trump in this time of global crisis as he grapples with the Corona virus
Oh dear
The pictures of long lines wrapping around streets from one end to other tells the real story of govt not putting forethought in good planning before implementing this measures
Why couldnt there be time periods given to the old for doing their shopping
It is truly heart breaking to see an old lady in her nineties about the 200hunderth person in line waiting her turn to get into the supermarkets to buy groceries
Yet this govt speaks about humanity
Where is the humanity can somebody please show or explain
Govt said they met with the private sector in planning sections
Well i must be fooled after seeing so many of the old standing in the hot sun for hours waiting their turn for shopping
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@David, your remarks “Where is the evidence that any country is wrong? In a few months a more accurate assessment can be made….We are all nothing more than armchair critics.”… simply takes EVERYTHING taught in management/decision making and calls it nonsense… you are VERY wrong bro.
Blogger @Lawson captures it well with when a country takes a position then has to make a 180 degree turn then they were wrong
When @Greene highlighted his remark about moving directly to Stage 3 several days ago… it had already been well chronicled on these pages that Bdos’ claims of positives tests made ABSOLUTELY no logical sense… @PLT has been shouting until blue in his face about the need for more tests …others too said that and showing the illogic (with facts) of the administration’s incongruous policy.
No sir… several here were NOT just armchairs critics… they were practical, reasoned and deliberate on their premisses.
As I understand decision making you are WRONG if a subsequent review of the data (of what was fully known at THE time) shows that your actions differently taken would have created different and better results or as @Lawson suggests you make a decision NOW that is informed from no more data than what was known previously.
This is not about recriminations, as we all want the best for our nation…but we CANNOT give the govt any degree of comfort in thinking they are on top of things otherwise they will blunder through this going forward…
This question has been asked by @Hants REPEATEDLY…how in heavens name do you decide in week 5 or whatever that 34 positives signals a crisis point when since week 2 or 3 you CLEARLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY saw that your trend line of tests done vrs positives had established that dangerous correlation and moreso you had the evidence of its validity from several other nations!
David that was the height of utter madness…and here we are now.
Bdos authorities like many other nations plucked up this covid19 response but we are a gnat with gnat size resources.. to survive we HAVE to punch above our size using COMMONSENSE, LOGIC AND SOLID REASONING … this was BS plain and simple.
I was reading this until the sucking up to the US government started. Was in St Croix last year, a US colony in the Caribbean, and people still hadn’t had their roofs replaced since the 2017 hurricanes. Stop looking up to Massa so much. We’re supposed to be an independent country. Criticise the government’s handling of the situation if you like but at least have some self respect and dignity. If the US don’t want to give us two testing kits unless we get involved in their efforts to enslave people in the region, then we should tell them to keep their kits. They are not the only country in the world with kits.
U know i have a lot of respect for Hal not because he might give me Thumbs up on my comments
Because he is an elderly person who have done extensive travels and have gathered his knowledge not only by book learning but throughout the many experiences gained by interacting with all kinds of people all over the world
His opinion in my view is not based on small minded thinking but one cannot argue that most of the things he opinion comes through world experiences throughout his life
I have no doubt that when he asked question pertaining to Mia health it is not out of malice but one borne out of a thought that being the head of govt her every move should be accountable and transparent to the people
She was hired by the people and therefore the people are her employer and she the employee
Therefore she gets no privileged past on any account
Granville point is simply don’t bite the hand u look towards that feed u
Mia utterances at the time towards the USA secretary was wrong and demeaning
Granville point that there are times in life when it is better to bite tongue than to cut the whole tongue off
Some times rather than seeing a lesson to be learned
We jump to conclusions which are hardened by political way of thinking
Barbados is witnessing panic buying.
How could this have been avoided?
The government has repeatedly warned that Barbadians have been flouting health protocols.What went wrong?
There is an expectation that the government with a bevy of PR people should be doing the best job.
“We jump to conclusions which are hardened by political way of thinking.”
Hmmmmmmm…..
Spot on. You are correct.
So, are we wrong to assume it is not upon this basis that you structure ALL your comments to BU?
The government’s rollout of the 24 hour curfew and supermarket shutdown raises existential questions for Barbadians.
Is this a sht show, or merely a cluster fck? These distinctions are more than academic.
I invite the political poultry from both sides of the cart road to weigh in… Mariposa? Enuff?
the govt backtracking on the opening of supermarkets caused this. coupled with bajan lastminuteness. it is that simply. supermarkets with social distance enforced should have been exempted. who are the risk managers advising govt. i am v disappointed
Mari
do you know that an employee does not have to expain a healt issue to their employers?
@ Mariposa
An employee does not have to explain to an HR department their medical condition, but they have to to the company’s doctor. Doctor to doctor is part of the confidentiality.
On the other matter, I find it strange that the chief medical officer was removed from his position (sacked or sent on gardening leave) in the middle of the biggest crisis ever to hit Barbados, a medical crisis.
Yet, Bajan curiosity is such that the voices on BU, the media, opposition politicians and patients’ groups do not want to know why he has been replaced. I am sure his lawyers are going through the fine print as we write..
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@David, you asked “Barbados is witnessing panic buying. How could this have been avoided? The government has repeatedly warned that Barbadians have been flouting health protocols.What went wrong? There is an expectation that the government with a bevy of PR people should be doing the best job.”
Is it about public relations or properly setting guidelines…. Last week I spoke to some folks at home and apart from my railing and theirs on the slow pace to a full shut down they were keen on getting groceries bought, regularizing family life and basically preparing for THIS.
A teacher, a business manager and yes even a PR exec they were.
They understood intuitively that the govt was going to pull stumps on play after that Mottley speech …that was on 3/26. On 3/28 the night curfew started.
Are you telling us @David that just 3 -4 later this government abruptly determined that things had changed so drastically or is it that it’s just a bad PR presentation!
Or should I ask what did they review on Monday 3/23 or the week prior that informed the 3/26 speech and what have they seen since to push this more stringent action!
I dont know what’s going on Mr Blogmaster but I am shocked at the time line of what appears to be either poorly informed leaders or very ‘scared’ leaders.
This is not what one expects of the intelligent men and women of cabinet and our civil service!
Peter yes a f.uked up
I have been saying that govt have been implementing fast tracked policies without giving them real thought
I have made mention of the elderly and i remember u giving your two cents worth of excuses
But looking at those long lines and the time line giving for the curfew to begin one cant help to think that headless chickens are at the wheel of govt
How in Gods name would govt not have expected panic buying giving the short time for shopping line and the time curfew begins
Madness
Don’t blame the people blame govt.
Next on the agenda would be ever one falling over each other to catch the last bus leaving town before the curfew starts
What a ting doah
Hal doesn’t an employee have to present a medical certificate or return to work to the employer or give a doctor’s reason for taking time off the job
anyone here that ever worked in Barbados that ever had to provide the detail of a medical problem to a company’s doctor please raise your hands.
however the part about doc to doc confidentiality proves the the donkey brayeth yet again.
Handing out masks at the supermarket entrances, and requiring that everyone that enters wears a mask will greatly reduce the risk of infection from the symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers that will inevitably be numbered within the crowds. The surgical mask will prevent droplets and aerosols from an infected person spreading around the enclosed space and exposing others. An N95 mask (likely unavailable right now ) will give an even better protection to the wearer if others around are not wearing the surgical masks.
If you doubt this see https://www.peakprosperity.com/how-well-beat-the-coronavirus/
@ Mariposa
Yes. That is why police sick out. In fact, in the UK some companies send officials to your home to make sure you are well. In fact, not only as a one off, but if you go sick too often they can send you to the company doctor. Big companies have staff nurses, usually the first stop.
If a member of staff told me they were sick and wanted to go off, I first sent them to the nurse. I am sure civil servants in Barbados get 21 days uncertificated sick leave. A scandal.
mari
a doctor certificate does not usually go into detail of the person illness.
Ex it will say I was under doc care for a week. It does not have to say I went through a hernia operation if I don’t want that information to be revealed.
here in the usa it is even illegal for my superiors to even ask me for any detail of my reported illness. the cannot even ask me why I called out sick (just saying)
@ DpD
In their positions ,what would you have done differently that would would have yielded a different outcome? At the risk of getting cussed, do you have a blue print of the process that managing this unprecedented event would take? We are all in no man’s land here, brother.
VC
give them two notice. And at he end the supermarket shelves would be emptied and bajan late shopper still in line outside but this time a lot more carriers of the virus would be around all of Barbados.
A prize awaits anyone who can supply a photo of a Parliamentary rep or their immediate family in one of those Supermarket lines
mari
you see the difference?
I can go to work, report I am sick and leave. if I worked 2 hrs before leaving then the adition 6 is taken from my leave. No one can aske me the nature of my illness because it is personal and none of their business.
I can even file a complaint against my employers/superiors (supervisors) if any of them question me as to the nature of my illness.
John2 what if you are piloting a plane to the UK, does that 2hr thing still apply
I hope it don’t got to this point but be prepared barbados
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