Barbados Goes on Partial LOCKDOWN

Prime Minister Mia Mottley  advised the country tonight that Barbados will impose a curfew from 8PM to 6AM starting on Saturday 28 March 2020  until 14 April 2020. On a personal note the Prime Minister also shared she will be MIA for a while because her medical team advised her to undergo a medical procedure this coming weekend. Minister of Education Santia Bradshaw will act as prime minister. The blogmaster wishes her well.

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  • john2
    March 27, 2020 10:30 PM

    john
    if the farmers,doctors, nurses, utilitiy workers did not stop working then there is no need for them to be getting back to work.

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    In other words, America is not shut down!!

    It is a nonsense to say so.

    Barbados is not shut down either as we still get electricity, water and gas and medical services are available.

    Our farmers still go to work as they did before the “shutdown”, sometimes from “can’t see” to “can’t see”!!.

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  • Artax
    March 27, 2020 11:13 PM

    I’m sure you’re AWARE my comment re: “What amazes me about ‘Trumpers’ is their blind allegiance to this lunatic and how they rush to defend him, even if it makes them look silly,” …..

    …….. was in RESPONSE to the comments made by Texas Lieutenant Governor, Dan Patrick (R),who “said as a senior citizen, he was willing to sacrifice his life as a result of COVID-19, in exchange for re-opening the US economy.”

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    Dan Patrick (R) going by what you yourself have written holds allegiance to the US economy and its success!!

    He makes no reference to Trump.

    So it must be someone else of whom you speak!!

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  • Donna
    March 27, 2020 11:23 PM

    That’s his MO! Does it every time!

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    I just enjoy exposing illogic!!

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  • Even David has avoided the term shutdown.

    Check the title of the blog.

    Barbados Goes on Partial LOCKDOWN

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  • Atrax

    “U.S. Economy in World War I

    Hugh Rockoff, Rutgers University
    Although the United States was actively involved in World War I for only nineteen months, from April 1917 to November 1918, the mobilization of the economy was extraordinary. (See the chronology at the end for key dates). Over four million Americans served in the armed forces, and the U.S. economy turned out a vast supply of raw materials and munitions.”

    Now, WWI was 1914 to 1918 and Spanish Flu was 1918 … I am assuming you know that.

    WIKI
    “The Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic,[2] was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic. Lasting from January 1918 to December 1920, it infected 500 million people—about a quarter of the world’s population at the time.[1] The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million[3] to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest epidemics in human history.[4][5]”

    Therefore one would conclude that Spanish Flu did not shut down the US economy either!!

    IT probably produced more in 1918 than in 1917.

    The US lost c.675,000 in Spanish Flu.

    So far in COVID-19 there has been 1,701 deaths.

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  • john2
    March 27, 2020 10:49 PM

    PEABRAIN
    MIA is not the only leader who waiter until the horse had bolted to closed the gate. Neither was trump.
    ALL worlds leader waited to lated. starting with china, ireland, England, iran, usa brazil Russia and near home Jamaica , Guyana, Grenada, st lucia and Trinidad.

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    COVID – 19 cases in China began appearing around January 22nd.

    It was loose from early January, probably before as the doctor who exposed it was “censored”.

    Xi in China canceled the New Year celebrations by January 26th as he clearly realized he had a real problem on his hands which could not be hidden.

    Trump acted by the end of January to isolate America from China.

    Howls of protest against Trump caused leaders around the world to miss Xi’s action which Trump obviously saw and understood.

    Trump went against the advice from his “experts”.

    He got it spot on.

    Trump did what was required of him at the time he needed to.

    Had Xi acted earlier and let the world know, things might have been different.

    Trump got that clear and made the point.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/18/trump-china-should-have-given-earlier-notice-about-coronavirus-disease-snuck-up-on-us/#4af48db646cf

    Leaders in Europe and elsewhere did not follow the examples set by the two major leaders.

    Democrat Governors in the US, Cuomo etc., decided to do the opposite of what Trump had done when they should have followed Xi’s lead and canceled their celebrations.

    Nothing wrong with the actions and promptness of action of Trump.

    Everything wrong with what other leaders did.

    Trump acted in the best interests of his citizens and did so promptly given Xi’s delays.

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  • Trump and Xi need to work together, despite their differences.

    The genie is out of the bottle.

    Again, here is Trump and Xi making the effort.

    https://time.com/5811238/trump-xi-cooperate-coronavirus/

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  • Brazil is another example of a major celebration attracting people from around the world.

    It currently has 3,477 cases and 93 deaths.

    It has 296 serious/critical cases.

    Trinidad also had Carnival.

    66 cases, 2 deaths no serious/critical cases.

    Ash Wednesday was February 26th, a month or so after Chinese New Year.

    Two weeks is 12th March.

    Trinidad is worth watching.

    Hopefully not many tourists were travelling back then and hopefully they did not fly in from New York, London, Milan, Madrid or other adversely affected places!!

    https://www.change.org/p/trinidadians-tobagonians-pnm-unc-cop-postpone-2020-trinidad-and-tobago-carnival-due-to-the-coronavirus

    Somebody in Trinidad had their heads on, unfortunately it was not in Government!!

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  • Somebody in Trinidad had their heads on, unfortunately it was not in Government!!

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    Actually, it was 10,606 people who signed the petition and had their heads on!!

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  • @ nineofnine March 28, 2020 1:10 AM

    “David Vaughan Icke is an English conspiracy theorist and former footballer and sports broadcaster.”

    What is purpose of posting the above video of a known crack-pot? It only serves to muddy the waters.

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  • Same time as Carnival in Brazil and Spain.

    … Spain should be Port of Spain!!

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  • @ Silly Woman March 27, 2020 9:01 PM

    The sweet taste of the sweet potatoes and the citric acid from the lime you used, once balanced would have made impossible for it not to taste good.

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  • @ John March 28, 2020 1:58 AM

    You are correct. The mayor of NYC as late as 11th.March encouraged people to comingle and told them that COVID_19 was nothing to worry about. They were encouraged to fully take part in NYC China town new. year do.. Trump was deemed to be racist in January when he instituted the ban on travel from China, The chickens have come home to roost for these irresponsible leaders who allowed animus toward Trump to sway their decisions. The lack of ventilators can be attributed to the greed of the elite who put profit above country and out sourced America’s and western manufacturing capacity. CORVID-19 is the death knell for the globalist agendum.

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  • Carnival in Trinidad and Rio are like Karneval in Germany and Holland!!

    Same time, same reason.

    … and Carnevale in Italy,

    … and in Spain.

    A legacy of Roman Catholicism!!

    We had to invent Crop Over!!

    Italy, Spain etc have two sources of fuel, Chinese New Year and the Carnevale, Karneval etc.

    Their COVID-19 cases will persist for a while.

    Their neighbours will also be affected.

    China seems to have things under control after the flare up in January.

    Luckily they canceled Chinese New Year Celebrations.

    Hong Kong was just plain lucky.

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  • Trump must in fact be a stable genius given his actions!!

    Just doesn’t trust the Chinese Government!!

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  • Lack of leadership would be the major cause of this virus spreading at rapid speed
    The speed at which this virus has spread has come down to one word that word is greed
    Even up to.present time there are leaders still refusing to do all that is necessary to protect the general public
    Then at the eleventh hour when the virus takes a strong foothold some leaders react like chicken with their heads cut off trying to get the public to response in ways that seem illogical and confusing
    The latest response by this govt after months of allowing the virus to make its presence known speaks of leadership gone insanely wrong after months of putting the economy head and shoulders above the health of the people
    God help us All

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  • What is even more maddening is to ask a moral and ethical question
    Why would port of calls (with exceptions to humanitarian causes be left open a basic and simplistic question that should have been first and foremost in minds that manage the economy
    Why couldn’t the economy be secondary to the health of the people
    What if there is a growing economy and no people around to keep it running
    Would the price tag of death and sickness to the people worth the effort of saving the economy
    Day after day the numbers keep rising no matter how small
    Folks those numbers represent people
    People who are sick and dying
    People who were made sacrificial lambs at the altar of greed and disregard by govts who never really cared

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  • @ John

    RE: John March 28, 2020 12:43 AM #: “In other words, America is not shut down!! It is a nonsense to say so.”

    At 3:11 in the video I posted, Trump was ‘pellucidly clear’ in his pronouncement that he wanted the US to get back to work, because the US “was not built to be shutdown.”

    “Let’s go to work. our country was not built to be SHUTDOWN……. this is not a country that…was built for this….. it was not built to be SHUTDOWN.”

    You’ve essentially ADMITTED your “stable genius” was talking “NONSENSE.”

    RE: John March 28, 2020 12:50 AM #: “Dan Patrick (R) going by what you yourself have written holds allegiance to the US economy and its success!! He makes no reference to Trump. So it must be someone else of whom you speak!!”

    It’s obvious you DID NOT WATCH the video.

    At 3:22 of the video there is a FOX News extract, subtitled “Trump: Watching Senior Citizens Carefully.”
    Trump basically said it’s looks like there are going 50,000 deaths as a result of COVID-19……but, there is far greater number of deaths by vehicular accidents. Since they don’t tell people to stop driving cars, he “has to do things to get our country OPENED.”

    The presenter said Trump’s statements were “immediately ECHOED by other Republicans who were willing to fall in line and carry water for the president.” And, it was at this point a Tucker Carlson interview of Dan Patrick was shown.

    Surely a ‘bright boy’ should see the CORRELATION.

    RE: “So it must be someone else of whom you speak!!”

    It seems to me you’ve suddenly become clairvoyant…… you’ve developed the supernatural ability to READ MINDS.

    I DID NOT make any REFERENCE to YOU in my March 27, 2020 11:13 PM contribution, EITHER. Yet, you INTENTIONALLY assumed WHOM I was referring to and RESPONDED to ‘YOUR OWN’ assumption accordingly.

    This is another EXAMPLE of you introducing a “straw man argument.”

    RE: John March 28, 2020 12:52 AM #: “I just enjoy exposing illogic!!

    I couldn’t agree with you more. And, as is evidenced by your early morning rants from 12:43 – 2:53 AM, you’ve done an EXCEPTIONAL JOB.

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  • “The island is struggling economically for its survival, so we do not need comments from the balustrade of the elite.”

    The island is only “strugging for survival” because all yall and ya fellow minority thieves…STOLE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM IT…bring back the offshore accounts instead of begging here and there…

    that too should be a requirement for anymore loans from the lending agencies…bring back what all of you in DBLP stole from the people and generations of their children over the decades…YOU THIEVES.

    Donville shouild give up every one of you, if he was as intelligent as he pretends…he surely would.

    All of you that have all these massive beach front properties up and down the coastline collecting massive amounts of money for these overpriced resorts…..ask Mia…should be donating to the STRUGGLE ALL OF YOU CREATED.

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  • I have been verbally abused and bamboozled for taking a moral and ethical stance of closing the borders
    The economy should have been placed secondary until their was a sembalance of putting measures in place to combat the deadly virus
    No one stands in a lightning rainstorm and waits for it to stop
    Logic dictates that seeking safety is foremost
    Well the same applies to crisis heading with warnings at the doorstep
    Leadership measures after the facts are temporary bandaids which cannot holdfast and secure or is better than Prevention
    When all is said and done and the death count and sick people are totalled the reality be one of astronomical figures with fingers being pointed at clueless leaders and governance that fight against odds which they could not win
    With the people socially and economically being the losers and the enviroment standing strong with a winked and a nod sending a message to leaders who are beaten down of i told u so

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  • Artax
    March 28, 2020 5:47 AM

    @ John
    RE: John March 28, 2020 12:43 AM #: “In other words, America is not shut down!! It is a nonsense to say so.”
    At 3:11 in the video I posted, Trump was ‘pellucidly clear’ in his pronouncement that he wanted the US to get back to work, because the US “was not built to be shutdown.”
    “Let’s go to work. our country was not built to be SHUTDOWN……. this is not a country that…was built for this….. it was not built to be SHUTDOWN.”
    You’ve essentially ADMITTED your “stable genius” was talking “NONSENSE.”

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    Actually all he said was America was not built to be shutdown!!

    TO BE … FUTURE TENSE!!

    I think I have seen a number of around 30% seeking unemployment which would mean that America is working at 70% capacity!!

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  • RE: John March 28, 2020 12:50 AM #: “Dan Patrick (R) going by what you yourself have written holds allegiance to the US economy and its success!! He makes no reference to Trump. So it must be someone else of whom you speak!!”
    It’s obvious you DID NOT WATCH the video.

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    Watched it live!!

    Got from it then that Trump was being a real leader!!

    Nothing has changed my perceptions since then!!

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  • I DID NOT make any REFERENCE to YOU in my March 27, 2020 11:13 PM contribution, EITHER. Yet, you INTENTIONALLY assumed WHOM I was referring to and RESPONDED to ‘YOUR OWN’ assumption accordingly.

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    It is actually you who is doing the assuming.

    I am applying simple logic to your words!!

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  • I couldn’t agree with you more. And, as is evidenced by your early morning rants from 12:43 – 2:53 AM, you’ve done an EXCEPTIONAL JOB.

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    Woke up after four hours sleep with a fresh clear mind.

    Many times it is just after waking up that I do some of my best work!!

    We need to know from our COVID cases how many are linked to:

    A. the Chinese New Year Celebrations in America and Europe

    B. The pre Lenten celebrations in New Orleans, Europe, Brazil

    C. TRINIDAD

    D. Any other event in the past 3 months which happened anywhere in the world.

    Until we see how Trinidad’s numbers pan out we should not be letting anyone who was there over carnival into Barbados.

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  • Can we move the discussion along?

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  • a moral an ethical stance of closing the borders……..could not agree more… a logical detterant against any invader be it virus,terrorist criminal etc go trump

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  • Rhode island one of the most democratic states is hunting down new Yorkers that have come into their state to get away from covid 19……..hypocrits ….. one and all

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  • The one thing that this virus has shown
    That there was not one leader that took into consideration the people health until it was too late
    Imagine in a world upon which all can gazed and see leaders but when the leadership is needed in a time of health crisis was visibly missing
    By now all knows the answer and where it lies
    An answer mixed in with an insatiable appetite and greed
    Answer which lacked a moral and ethical component of loving mankind as you would love yourself
    An answer found in selfishness and multiplied a million times over by a consumption of selfish attitudes
    Unfortunately these are times we live in where unethical and immoral attitudes can cost lives and a foot note of having leaders holding fast to which is best for themselves

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  • Carnival in RIO

    TBD

    72,248 cases, 5,690 deaths, 4,165 serious critical

    Carnival Germany

    53,340 cases, 395 deaths, 1,581 serious/critical

    Carnival in France.

    32,964 cases, 1995 deaths, 3,787 serious/Critical

    Carnival in Sweden!!

    3,069 cases, 105 deaths and 240 in serious/critical condition.

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  • Carnival in England to come!!

    Maybe by then COVID-19 will be a thing of the past.

    Hal, keep away from Notting Hill if not.

    Don’t mind the ladies!!

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  • In some of the above instances, social distances can be measured in millimeters, sometimes angstroms!!

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  • @ John

    History is funny. Since 1975 Scotland Yard and the local authority have been trying to ban the Notting Hill Carnival, but without success.
    For the first time in over 50 years this year it will be banned, not for law and order reasons, but because of a pandemic. You can bet your bottom dollar that it will not return, at least in its present form. Nature has won.
    I support Carnival for political reasons, not for the street theatre.

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  • @ Mariposa

    You are right again. Life comes before profits. That is an highly ethical position and the foundation of Christian teachings. In modern Barbados we have our values turned upside down.
    On another blog some woman( the person identified as a woman) said we must protect tourism because people needed their jobs to support their quality of life. How perverse. How can you argue with such a person? Maybe she goes to Kerrie Symmonds’ church.

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  • nearly 50 years…..

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  • Hal Austin
    March 28, 2020 7:59 AM

    @ John
    History is funny. Since 1975 Scotland Yard and the local authority have been trying to ban the Notting Hill Carnival, but without success.
    For the first time in over 50 years this year it will be banned, not for law and order reasons, but because of a pandemic. You can bet your bottom dollar that it will not return, at least in its present form. Nature has won.
    I support Carnival for political reasons, not for the street theatre.

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    Wonder what will happen in Mecca later this year?

    The French may even ban Bastille Day having experienced COVID-19 up close and personal.

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  • … and then there is Kadooment!!

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  • Hal most people does not have the vision and ability that a world without moral and ethical moorings are doomed for self destruction
    This virus should open the eyes of the masses whose moral belief are centred around uncontrollable greed thinking only about self while the rest of the people suffer in silence
    Which now begs the question of how and why

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  • JOHN

    I didn’t say USA was closed down.
    it was ur president “rump” that said he wanted America open back up. I gave a list of some of the place that I know of that are closed.

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  • JOHN

    I think I have seen a number of around 30% seeking unemployment which would mean that America is working at 70% capacity!!
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    I dint think that is true. just the other day usa have employment of 3-4 %
    I don’t see it jumping to 30% unemployed in such a short space of time.

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  • What is the difference in spread between MERS, SARS and Swine Flu and COVID-19?

    COVID-19 appeared prior the major world events, Chinese New Year, Pre Lenten Celebrations, St. Patrick’s Day but primarily Chinese New Year because it originated in China.

    The other three appeared in April, June and July.

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  • Allow me to post this again, stable genius at work

    Isn’t video tape wonderful?

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  • @Sargeant

    A more relevant link/reminder:

    How South Korea Flattened the Curve

    The country showed that it is possible to contain the coronavirus without shutting down the economy, but experts are unsure whether its lessons can work abroad.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/world/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-flatten-curve.html?campaign_id=30&emc=edit_int_20200327&instance_id=17136&nl=the-interpreter&regi_id=86719472&segment_id=23120&te=1&user_id=b30e5c250c4196c29112af835744cfa5

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  • For those who not subscribe:

    You Are So (So, So) Tired. Here’s Why.
    Medical staff in protective gear inside the isolation area of the Amedeo di Savoia hospital in Turin.Alessandro Di Marco/EPA, via Shutterstock

    As I (Amanda) write this, my four-year-old daughter is in the next room having a total sobbing meltdown because she doesn’t know who is “in charge today.” She claims to want the job herself: “My turn to be in charge, Mommy!” But any time I offer to let her make even a very simple, structured choice — say, whether to spend the next 15 minutes coloring or dancing to Disney songs — it’s too much for her to handle. She is both desperate for more agency and overwhelmed by the responsibility that would bring.

    I think I speak for a lot of people when I say: SAME.
    Get a cue

    The Covid-19 pandemic has simultaneously robbed members of the public of agency, by swiping away our normal daily routines and imposing strict new limitations on what we can safely do instead, and imposed a crushing decision-making responsibility by asking us to figure out how to live safely in a world where grabbing the wrong bag of salad could be deadly. It is, as the kids say, a lot.
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    Gathering and analyzing complex information is costly in terms of time, energy, and other resources. So, research shows, when forming opinions or making decisions about complex issues, most people take shortcuts, relying on cues from elites instead of gathering and weighing all of the information themselves.

    On partisan issues, that might mean cues from politicians or pundits. On issues relating to an ethnic, cultural or religious identity, we often take cues from leaders within those relevant communities. And if the issue is one that doesn’t map clearly onto partisan or other identity lines, we tend to look to a broader range of elites, including policy experts, to find consensus.

    But that process isn’t working very well for this crisis. There is plenty of partisan messaging about Covid-19, especially in the United States. But it turns out that partisan cues just aren’t enough to guide the myriad decisions that everyone must now make to get through the day.

    Politicians and pundits can argue about questions like what level of economic shutdown is prudent, whether there has been enough economic stimulus to blunt its effects or which leaders should share the blame for shortages of vital equipment.
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    But they cannot tell individual families whether they should grocery shop more often, to avoid exacerbating shortages of food and necessities, or less often, to avoid unnecessary exposure to the virus. Or whether it is more prudent to bring a new caregiver into a home to babysit, risking infection from the social contact, or to forego child care and fall behind on work, risking unemployment and financial disaster. Whether to wear a mask in public or donate it to a health care worker. Whether to go for a walk with an elderly but lonely parent who might trip and need to be helped up. Whether to order takeout.

    Partisan cues cannot answer those questions. But we all need to answer them somehow. They are tiny, mundane matters of life and death.
    What about science?

    There are nonpartisan experts, of course, who are both more knowledgeable and less prone to partisan bias than political elites. But taking cues from them comes with a different problem: Because the novel coronavirus is, well, novel, experts disagree on a number of crucial questions. So relying on them just introduces a new set of decisions to make about who is most trustworthy.

    In the United Kingdom, for instance, one group of epidemiologists based at Imperial College has developed a model that predicts up to half a million deaths without social distancing methods. Their recent report suggests the crisis is likely to last until there is an effective vaccine or treatment, which they estimate could take 18 months. (The government appears to be relying primarily on this model.)

    But a different research group, based out of Oxford University, argues that the novel coronavirus could have been spreading more quickly and for longer. Their paper — which, like the Imperial group’s, has not gone through peer review — suggests that up to half of Britain’s population has already contracted Covid-19 and become immune to it, meaning infections will peak in a few weeks and the number of deaths will be relatively low. If all of that is true — and the researchers were careful to note that we cannot know without widespread testing — then the worst of this crisis could be over within the next few months.

    Both models were created by researchers at excellent universities, with sterling reputations. Reputational cues won’t help you choose whom to believe. If you want to rely on either study, you have to do your own research and analysis to decide which one.

    Maybe some of us can tackle that challenge. But when the effort of that research process is multiplied by the hundred or so small decisions to be made every day as all of us try to feed, clothe and protect ourselves and our families, it quickly becomes overwhelming.

    One way or another, this phase is temporary. As more data develops and more social norms take hold, more decisions will become automatic. Eventually, hopefully, it will become easier to avoid contributing to someone else’s tragedy or experiencing our own. But for now, it is exhausting.

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  • Ain’t that the damn truth, it’s only the dimwitted and shortsighted leaders would not have seen these social problems coming at everyone like an Acela at 200 miles an hour….from as far back as JANUARY…now they will pay, just hope the people don’t pay the same way or even worse.

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  • It has been difficult to follow the coronavirus ‘debate’ on BU.

    Time has demonstrated that Mia’s initial response to this pandemic was the correct one. It was a calculated risk but fortune smiled on her roll of the dice. A firm and steady hand is what the country needed and a firm and steady hand is what she is provided.

    Let us see if we can agree on this one point – no matter what course of action she took, some Barabadians would have been infected by corona virus (sooner or later)

    If you are willing to admit this, then you must agree that her calm, slow and deliberate approach of Mia trumps the sky is falling approach of the BU crowd ; it trumped the call for Barbados to pull up the drawbridge and lock the doors at some stage in February. As some has pointed out, the doors were not completely open as places where tourists were originating were closing their own doors.

    Mia’s strategy reminds me of a the chess ‘en passant’ move where one capture an opponent piece and at the same time advance your pawn. Having successfully routed the “sky is falling brigade” we are now faced with the “let us check if the sky is falling” group.

    I will not get into the rightness or wrongness of mass testing, Mass testing will provide a number but it will not solve the problem, It identifies the magnitude of the problem, but to beat coronavirus we must practice social distancing and maintain good hygiene.
    On such a small island mass testing may be more harmful than useful. This is a society and not a “clinical trial”.To the mass test crowd who just want a number here is one – 5, 237.

    Let me cheat and provide a few safety tips from a flyer I received in my mail.
    Stay at home
    Avoid social gathering in groups of more than 10 people
    If you are older person stay at home and away from other people
    If someone in your home is positive stay at home.
    Avoid eating at bars and restaurants (but some some way to continue to support local businesses)
    Avoid discretionary travel – shopping trips and social visits
    do not visit nursing homes or retirement or long-term care facilities unless to provide critical assistance.

    Practice good hygiene
    Wash your hands, especially after touching any frequently used items or surface
    Avoid touching your face’
    Sneeze or cough inside a tissue or your elbows
    \Disinfect frequently used items and surfaces as much as possible.

    Let me add to what someone said… Mia not only stands head and shoulders above local politicians, she is head and shoulder above all of her BU critics. Let;s hope that the Good Lord gives her wisdom, strength and support in this national crisis.

    A personal tip. Before I peel an orange or any fruit that I brought from the store, I wash it with soap.
    A second personal tip: Many will have lots to say, listen and sift. Take what is useful to you and avoid the rest. Don’t follow anyone down a rabbit hole.
    Call your older folks. Let them know you are there; let them know you care.
    May God bless Barbados.

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  • We have often drawn comparison to Singapore and the one point we all agree on is “Barbados is different from Singapore.
    Let’s not take time to figure out that Barbados is not South Korea.

    Social distancing and good hygiene is the solution

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  • This pandemic of a kind not seen in recent history may very well force an alien behaviour by Barbadians necessary to wrestle the beast to the ground. If it is one thing we know, Barbados has of recent deservedly attracted the label- an indisciplined society.

    In extraordinary times one must be willing to operate outside the box. The S Korea experience can help to reinforce the idea the decisions in a situation we find ourselves must be evidence based.

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  • It has been difficult to follow the coronavirus ‘debate’ on BU.

    Time has demonstrated that Mia’s initial response to this pandemic was the correct one. It was a calculated risk but fortune smiled on her roll of the dice. A firm and steady hand is what the country needed and a firm and steady hand is what she is provided.
    Xxcxcccxcccccc

    Ok lets see how forgiving time will be as the numbers continue to rise and the health system is dealt the same fatal blow as international countries
    The question of stubbornness and being hard headed would be the rallying cry

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  • I have stepped so far down the crease, that I feel it necessary to swing my bat.
    Korea is 38,691 square miles and it’s population is 51.47 million. There is a city in Korea with over 2 million people.
    Barbados on the other hand is 166 square miles with 300,000 people.
    The small size of the population and area rules out the added value of mass testing.
    We cannot just copy the behavior of others.
    Social distancing, contact tracing, and hygiene

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  • The numbers will rise no matter what Mia does.
    And you would be on the other side of the fence no matter what does.

    I am not a supporter or fan of Mia. My opposition to her allows me to objectively evaluate her actions.

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  • We want to leverage the discipline in behaviour exhibited by S Korea how we make decisions. Not sure what is so difficult to comprehend or what it has to do with size.

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  • “With the capacity to test 15,000 people a day, over 316,600 people have been tested in South Korea as of Friday – which amounts to more than 6,150 tests per million inhabitants”.

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  • “Not sure what is so difficult to comprehend or what it has to do with size”..

    Look at all the numbers for Korea that were quoted above and see that there is not a clear understanding of what is mass testing.
    And in Germany It has a different meaning.

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  • WHERE DO WE STAND AS A PEOPLE BARBADOS?

    SURINAME A GLIMPSE INTO ANOTHER SOCIALIST STATE, REELING TOWARDS VENEZUELA!!

    SURINAME’S ECONOMIC CRISIS SHUTS DOWN

    Mar 27, 2020 – Economy

    Suriname ground to a halt yesterday, March 26, as its banks, shops and factories shuttered in a showdown between its beleaguered private sector and its authoritarian government over how to respond to a deepening economic crisis.

    The closures brought a new and unpredictable tension to the streets of Paramaribo, the South America nation’s capital. Most people stayed home to comply with measures to fight the coronavirus pandemic.

    Paramaribo, Suriname.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    This has a lot of medical jargon, but if you read it carefully it gives a picture of what front line medical staff are faced with. I was written by an Emergency MD in a New Orleans hospital.

    “I am an ER MD in New Orleans. Class of 98. Every one of my colleagues have now seen several hundred Covid 19 patients and this is what I think I know.

    Clinical course is predictable.
    2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start. Common are fever, headache, dry cough, myalgias(back pain), nausea without vomiting, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhea, loss of smell, anorexia, fatigue.

    Day 5 of symptoms- increased SOB, and bilateral viral pneumonia from direct viral damage to lung parenchyma.

    Day 10- Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure. You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours.

    81% mild symptoms, 14% severe symptoms requiring hospitalization, 5% critical.

    Patient presentation is varied. Patients are coming in hypoxic (even 75%) without dyspnea. I have seen Covid patients present with encephalopathy, renal failure from dehydration, DKA. I have seen the bilateral interstitial pneumonia on the xray of the asymptomatic shoulder dislocation or on the CT’s of the (respiratory) asymptomatic polytrauma patient. Essentially if they are in my ER, they have it. Seen three positive flu swabs in 2 weeks and all three had Covid 19 as well. Somehow this ***** has told all other disease processes to get out of town.

    China reported 15% cardiac involvement. I have seen covid 19 patients present with myocarditis, pericarditis, new onset CHF and new onset atrial fibrillation. I still order a troponin, but no cardiologist will treat no matter what the number in a suspected Covid 19 patient. Even our non covid 19 STEMIs at all of our facilities are getting TPA in the ED and rescue PCI at 60 minutes only if TPA fails.

    Diagnostic
    CXR- bilateral interstitial pneumonia (anecdotally starts most often in the RLL so bilateral on CXR is not required). The hypoxia does not correlate with the CXR findings. Their lungs do not sound bad. Keep your stethoscope in your pocket and evaluate with your eyes and pulse ox.

    Labs- WBC low, Lymphocytes low, platelets lower then their normal, Procalcitonin normal in 95%
    CRP and Ferritin elevated most often. CPK, D-Dimer, LDH, Alk Phos/AST/ALT commonly elevated.
    Notice D-Dimer- I would be very careful about CT PE these patients for their hypoxia. The patients receiving IV contrast are going into renal failure and on the vent sooner.

    Basically, if you have a bilateral pneumonia with normal to low WBC, lymphopenia, normal procalcitonin, elevated CRP and ferritin- you have covid-19 and do not need a nasal swab to tell you that.

    A ratio of absolute neutrophil count to absolute lymphocyte count greater than 3.5 may be the highest predictor of poor outcome. the UK is automatically intubating these patients for expected outcomes regardless of their clinical presentation.

    An elevated Interleukin-6 (IL6) is an indicator of their cytokine storm. If this is elevated watch these patients closely with both eyes.

    Other factors that appear to be predictive of poor outcomes are thrombocytopenia and LFTs 5x upper limit of normal.

    Disposition
    I had never discharged multifocal pneumonia before. Now I personally do it 12-15 times a shift. 2 weeks ago we were admitting anyone who needed supplemental oxygen. Now we are discharging with oxygen if the patient is comfortable and oxygenating above 92% on nasal cannula. We have contracted with a company that sends a paramedic to their home twice daily to check on them and record a pulse ox. We know many of these patients will bounce back but if it saves a bed for a day we have accomplished something. Obviously we are fearful some won’t make it back.

    We are a small community hospital. Our 22 bed ICU and now a 4 bed Endoscopy suite are all Covid 19. All of these patients are intubated except one. 75% of our floor beds have been cohorted into covid 19 wards and are full. We are averaging 4 rescue intubations a day on the floor. We now have 9 vented patients in our ER transferred down from the floor after intubation.

    Luckily we are part of a larger hospital group. Our main teaching hospital repurposed space to open 50 new Covid 19 ICU beds this past Sunday so these numbers are with significant decompression. Today those 50 beds are full. They are opening 30 more by Friday. But even with the “lockdown”, our AI models are expecting a 200-400% increase in covid 19 patients by 4/4/2020.

    Treatment
    Supportive

    worldwide 86% of covid 19 patients that go on a vent die. Seattle reporting 70%. Our hospital has had 5 deaths and one patient who was extubated. Extubation happens on day 10 per the Chinese and day 11 per Seattle.

    Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn’t appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil’s potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am not longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post.

    We are also using Azithromycin, but are intermittently running out of IV.

    Do not give these patient’s standard sepsis fluid resuscitation. Be very judicious with the fluids as it hastens their respiratory decompensation. Outside the DKA and renal failure dehydration, leave them dry.

    Proning vented patients significantly helps oxygenation. Even self proning the ones on nasal cannula helps.

    Vent settings- Usual ARDS stuff, low volume, permissive hypercapnia, etc. Except for Peep of 5 will not do. Start at 14 and you may go up to 25 if needed.

    Do not use Bipap- it does not work well and is a significant exposure risk with high levels of aerosolized virus to you and your staff. Even after a cough or sneeze this virus can aerosolize up to 3 hours.

    The same goes for nebulizer treatments. Use MDI. you can give 8-10 puffs at one time of an albuterol MDI. Use only if wheezing which isn’t often with covid 19. If you have to give a nebulizer must be in a negative pressure room; and if you can, instruct the patient on how to start it after you leave the room.

    Do not use steroids, it makes this worse. Push out to your urgent cares to stop their usual practice of steroid shots for their URI/bronchitis.

    We are currently out of Versed, Fentanyl, and intermittently Propofol. Get the dosing of Precedex and Nimbex back in your heads.

    One of my colleagues who is a 31 yo old female who graduated residency last may with no health problems and normal BMI is out with the symptoms and an SaO2 of 92%. She will be the first of many.

    I PPE best I have. I do wear a MaxAir PAPR the entire shift. I do not take it off to eat or drink during the shift. I undress in the garage and go straight to the shower. My wife and kids fled to her parents outside Hattiesburg. The stress and exposure at work coupled with the isolation at home is trying. But everyone is going through something right now. Everyone is scared; patients and employees. But we are the leaders of that emergency room. Be nice to your nurses and staff. Show by example how to tackle this crisis head on. Good luck to us all.”

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  • @David

    Sometime in the future some academic will investigate why some countries were relatively unscathed while others e.g. Italy and Spain (so far) have been devastated by this illness. Why does Hong Kong despite being on the front lines have so few cases as compared to NYC? How about Japan and Singapore? My opinion is that some countries learned the lessons of SARS and were quick to adopt stringent measures while others were laissez faire in their approach. Is it cultural where citizens are more likely to follow directives of local authorities while in the West people are more likely to follow their own dictates (see students on Spring break in Florida).

    One thing is certain we don’t know what we don’t know.

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  • john

    Corv cases start showing up in china on jan 22md???

    Is that what president rump tell you?

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  • @Peter

    Do you have the link?

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  • @Sargeant

    Those countries you mentioned probably developed immunity.

    >

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  • @FC
    Social distancing has nothing to do with socialism…. 🙂
    I gone

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  • PLT…great article, the frontline doctors/nurses, etc are trying their best, the problems lie with the politicians and their useles politics…they are the ones who screwed and are still continuing to screw everything up for everyone, with the exception of Cuomo of NYC and a few others.

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  • Sargeant 10.02

    Well said.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ TheOgazerts

    You are a breath of fresh air in this very sterile discussion.
    Here it is we are at a point in time of uncertainty , and some can accuse GoB of making wrong decisions. Decisions that so far concentrated on containment of the Virus and identifying the points of entry of the virus into Barbados. It has also traced potential victims and transmitters. I think that strategy is wise, logical and productive.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Mr Blogmaster, your link re South Korea was indeed a reminder as the NYT report is the latest of the careful review of S.Korea good practices… and if we take your second point about disciplined behaviour then in the context of good decision making I am confused how the blogger @Theo can so glibly say “Time has demonstrated that Mia’s initial response to this pandemic was the correct one. It was a calculated risk but fortune smiled on her roll of the dice”

    One can NEVER accord a decision kudos if one is calling it a dice role… can’t work in practical govt or corporate situations ONLY good in casinos!

    And to repeat what has also been said here and otherwise re S.Korea… not only were they positive re testing and solid social distancing but they aggressively used a form of ‘geo-tagging tracing (cell phone blast on persons positives) that has not been replicated (it seems, and likely for HIPAA reasons) in many other locales.

    THAT variable was as crucial as any other… it was their comprehensive use of all variables smoothly integrated that set them on their path of success thus far.

    This is not a Mia beat-up but we are talking about Barbados and its policy…we did NONE of what S.Korea did as collectively (or indeed individually)….nor did the US nor many others either.

    And as we speak…China is grudgingly reporting that previous Covid19 patients are retesting positive again… which causes all sort of scientific surprises.

    “Houston, we still have a grave problem!”

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    Sorry, I have no link. It was sent to me by a medical doctor I know.

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  • This is a grim milestone for our country. COVID-19 deaths in Canada have surpassed the entire SARS total from back in 2003. It has also happened in a shorter period of time.

    As of March 28, the government has reported 55 deaths in throughout the country as a result of the virus and the number of confirmed cases reached 4,675.

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  • TheOgazertsMarch 28, 2020 9:41 AM

    The numbers will rise no matter what Mia does.
    And you would be on the other side of the fence no matter what does.

    I am not a supporter or fan of Mia. My opposition to her allows me to objectively evaluate her actions.

    cccccvcv
    Your first paragraph are littered with excuses and arrogance
    Exactly the same thinking that give way for the virus to enter the island and develop strength
    It does matter what actions have been taken in prevention
    One cannot in their right mind expect to plant oranges and get apples holding on to a plan grounded in a defeatist attitude
    Leaders lead with an objection that no matter the outcome the people interest must supersede all others in times of crisis
    Saying that this govt did the right things knowing how the virus can be contracted is borderline political hogwash when the facts would now revealed that closing ports of entry to visitors would prevent a catastrophy
    Whether they be one or 26 the bottom line meant saving the country and its people from this deadly virus and having all the factors which attributed to contraction
    That being contact

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  • @Hants

    What are the technocrats whether the infection rate? Has it peaked?

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    The infection rate in Canada is accelerating rapidly and is far from peaking.
    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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  • Chives still alive and so am I! All is well in the Chill Room.

    While you see a chance take it!

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  • @DpD
    Let me hasten to assure you that (in the current situation) Mia did not/does not know the final outcome of her decisions. There is always an element of uncertainty. She must assign weights to the likelihood to a possible outcomes based on her actionds and then make her decision on what appears to be the less harmful course.

    You cannot remove the uncertainty from our life. We can put a nice face on our decision but we must always be aware of “what if”.
    What if a different number comes up?
    ——————————————————————xx—————————————————

    Sargeant made two points about the South Korea that we cannot reproduce

    “My opinion is that some countries learned the lessons of SARS and were quick to adopt stringent measures while others were laissez faire in their approach. ”

    This battle is new for us, but populations in the east have been exposed to this situation on a number of occasions. Some of what they do as a sheer reflex action is something that we now have to learn.

    “Is it cultural where citizens are more likely to follow directives of local authorities while in the West people are more likely to follow their own dictates (see students on Spring break in Florida).”

    Differences in culture. Again Western reaction/responses are different from those who are located in Asia.

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  • @ Hal March 28, 2020 8:10 AM

    I resumed my stroll.. Left the house about 7.10 am. there was young couple behind me who were clenched in a partial embrace. No respect for social distance. Passed “Mint Condition” Cleaners. Workers were hanging around as the person with the keys had not yet arrived. Feel sorry for these workers and wonder how they will manage with the curfew and no wages. Pass Jordan’s Supermarket. The line stretch as far as the Barbados Workers’ Union Credit Union. Cross the bridge. The lines from Popular stretch as far as St. Michael’s Row and back towards the juncture of Marhill street. The line from Cherish stretch as far as Lucas Street. Saw Neville who I had promised to buy a drink. Up to Wednesday, he was suffering from the gout and declined the drink. All of a sudden he wants the drink. Claims that the medication he was given did not work and that when tossed back a drink yesterday ,he was much better. Bought him the drink in Marhill Street. not too far from the pharmacy .We old-talked. Of course he said he was broke . Gave him a couple of dollars. Remembered when I was in a similar situation, how he came to my rescue. Left the watering hole and came abreast of the pharmacy. A Chinese couple was passing. I see them often . They pass through the alley by Ecaf company. The husband ( at least I think he is the husband) walks in front and the wife behind him. They also go and buy from Scotty’s. They do not bother any one. A fellow accosted them saying a lot of offensive words. Told him to leave them alone, that they did not bother people. He switch his attention to me. He knew all the antecedents of my conception. I said nothing but was thinking that If I was carrying I would blow him away( I have this urge to be very violent, I keep it in check.) would not think twice about it. He was lucky that this was Barbados and not the US. Bought a mini of Campari and some sodas. I seldom use the hard stuff at home. It is the way I was brought up. No liquor in the house. Haven’t opened that J. Wray and Nephew. I need to get some prunes to steep in it, to cool it down. Very good that way. As things are, don’t know when I will get the prunes

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  • @ David,

    Canada rate of covid 19 infections fluctuate.In British Columbia the spread is decreasing but that could change tomorrow.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/covid-19-battle-will-last-months-many-months-as-cases-soar-federal-doctor-1.4872448

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  • s@ Robert

    Keep up your walk. Don’t let Barbadian natural aggression get in your way. You are performing a Charles Dickens role during these testing times. In time historical sociologists will appreciate these notes. Keep a comprehensive diary.

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  • Is the south hotel popular for its black pudding open today?

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  • The majority of Barbadians are known to be a docile people.

    #fyi

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  • I have no desire to referee the debate between Mariposa and TheOgazerts. However, I would like to compliment Mariposa on her consistent and incisive criticism aimed at the vacuous position adopted by Mia and her BLP in their management of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    Mariposa’s comments at 10.33 are concise, rich in objectivity and reasoning that it would take a human being of Soloman’s wisdom to counterbalance her arguments.

    It beggars belief that Barbados should have toed the W.H.O. line towards the monitoring of this virus. Why wait for stage 3 before introducing a lock down when we knew in advance that from as early as January/February (if not before) that this virus had lingered and rampaged its way through a number of countries.

    It took the might of the communist Chinese government to ring fence this virus. They showed to the world the perfect template for controlling its spread. Apart from a small number of countries, the vast majority have failed in their duty of care to their people.

    So let us close down this debate and conclude that we need to have a complete lockdown of the country and acknowledge that should we witness a sharp rise in the mortality rate then we will be unable to treat our people and that the majority of them will perish without receiving any medical treatment. Barbados does not have the infrastructure to deal with this virus.

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  • Many employees in the tourism industry are currently losing their jobs. The civil servants, however, have a secure job, a secure pension and have even received a big pay rise in 2018. I just cite Simple Simon. She informed us that senior officers receive up to $9,000 a month in pension. It’s something private sector workers can only dream of.

    The people therefore ask what solidarity contribution the civil servants are making to solve the crisis. Salary cuts, say 20 percent for 5 years? Overtime? It would also be just to limit civil servants’ pensions to a maximum of 3000 dollars per month. Anyone who pockets $9000 per month in pensions at the taxpayer’s expense is behaving in an unsolidary and indecent manner.

    We cannot allow Corona to hit the workers in the private sector with full force, but the civil servants are resting on their privileges.

    Why is Senator Caswell silent on this injustice?

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  • Probably was refer to the agression of wabtibg to shoot the guy 🙂

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  • @ robert lucas March 28, 2020 11:02 AM

    Very good of you Robert, to behave as a living historian by keeping a diary similar to that of Samuel Pepys.

    Hopefully your electronic narrations ‘would’ not reflect the observations made by Pepys about the ‘culling’ made by the plague in the London of his times.

    Fortunately for modern man, he has the Internet to keep his social and economic distance.

    It’s time an enterprising-thinking Bajan start up a natural and safe food and drink delivery business to prepare for the replacement of the supermarket shopping model as we know it now.

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  • “Can we move the discussion along?”

    Good luck.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Theo, you have highlighted that crucial point in any decision making process: how best to interpret the elements of uncertainty…the known unknowns, in other words!

    I have followed Bim’s decisions from afar as too TnT’s…why did the latter make decisions of their uncertainty that were so diametrically different to Bim’s! None of them knew “the final outcome of [their] decisions”.

    Ms Mottley’s admin made some decisions that simply defied their OWN WHO staged plans… but heh, if things work out perfectly then hooray!

    That’s does NOT mean however that it was excellent process management..just as you said it was a great roll of the dice. That’s scary as a point of reference for ANY leader!

    I accept the point that the Asians may be more aware of how best to handle this stuff because of prior SARS and similar … however, I refute the related argument that Bajans may be less “likely to follow directives of local authorities” for national crisis issues.

    Are these the SAME Bajans who buckled down (in the main) to directives for hurricane preparedness in the last few years… (yes, they were outliers who didnt obey as they were too in S. Korea with the religious group)…but had the local admin implemented strict protocols then I expect that Bajans in the main would HAVE complied.

    The relevance and importance of life is being exposed to adversity (in any form) … that allows a strong degree of transference to another episode of adversity… surely a hurricane is quite different from a virus spread but preparing for and seeing the outcome of a devastating hurricane (in Jamaica and The Bahamas in recent years) has surely allowed Bajans to have a bit more discipline about strong govt diections!

    This should have little at this point in our collective maturation to do with cultural nuances only!

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  • “The infection rate in Canada is accelerating rapidly and is far from peaking.”

    Italy has not even peaked yet, neither has Spain and they seem to be dying nearly one thousand a day, UK is right behind them by at least one week now, they are catching up.

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  • The majority of Barbadians are known to be a docile people.

    Xxxxxxxx

    THE MAJORITY OF BAJANS ARE VERY GULLIBLE AND AGGRESSIVE

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  • Speak for yourself.

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  • By next week this will be a completely different number….remember, Italy tried it’s very best from day one to contain it while cousin Boris was playing hide and seek like Mia..

    “In the bleakest day so far for Britain’s coronavirus crisis, the death toll leapt by 260 in just 24 hours. The latest figures show the virus has claimed 1,019 lives in the UK, a jump from 759 on the previous day. It is by far the biggest daily increase with the previous biggest spike being 181 on Friday. A total of 120,776 coronavirus tests have taken place since the outbreak began and 17,089 have come back positive. Government advisers said stricter social distancing policies may have to be rolled out next month if the grim figures continued to rise. It comes as NHS staff will be tested for coronavirus from next week and Chessington World of Adventures car park (main) is turned into drive-thru swab centre for medics.”

    And it nah picking and choosing neither..

    “The princess, of the Bourbon-Parma Royal Family in Spain, passed away yesterday. It comes as Spain registered a record number of coronavirus deaths in a single-day period with the army now being handed emergency powers to transfer bodies.”

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  • @ Hal March 28, 2020 11:19 AM

    I do not know. What I do know is that the souse Saturday with Larry Mayers is still on. Larry will be in contact with the souse maker by phone and the souse is supposed to bought by drive through means. If I remember correctly the souse place is in St, Thomas.

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  • @ David March 28, 2020 11:34 AM

    That is the problem with Barbadians. Too docile.

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  • TLSN March 28, 2020 11:42 AM

    Suggest you take the data with caution.

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  • @ Robert Lucas

    Can you help me with some information on legionaires disease and how it’s transmitted please?

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  • john2
    March 28, 2020 10:07 AM

    john
    Corv cases start showing up in china on jan 22md???
    Is that what president rump tell you?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    I use this link for numbers.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    This one for China.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

    You will see China started reporting cases on 22nd January and on that date it reported 571 cases with 8 deaths.

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  • @Robert Lucas,

    Man, Lucas, these eye witness accounts are brilliant just like i said yesterday, replete with personal anecdotes. v descriptive writing like i would expect from a Cawmerian as was the timely intervention re the Chinese couple- again nothing short of what i would expect from a Cawmerian..well except from Miller lol. keep it up man. David should reserve a separate thread for this, man. what set were u in? is Michael Lucas related to u?

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  • This link will give you the USA by state.

    As you will see about 1/2 of the cases are in New York, 52K/112K.

    The next worse state is New Jersey probably because it is contiguous and people are fleeing New York and carrying it to New Jersey, 8K/112K.

    You will see that Rhode Island has enacted laws to prevent New Yorkers coming there.

    Rhode Island has 203 cases and ZERO deaths.

    Think Florida is complaining too.

    Trump has no option but to consider quarantining both New York and New Jersey.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    Man, if only Cuomo had canceled the celebrations when he had the chance.

    One positive, new cases in New York down by 1,200, 6K today vs 7.2K yesterday.

    Might be fewer tests, not all reported up to now or moved to another state.

    New York was the site of a mass casualty.

    The point is we make an error if we do not look at the state by state data.

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  • Total new cases for the US yesterday was 18K vs today. 8K but I don’t know if all states are up to date.

    Could be cause for optimism.

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  • If you look at the map for Canada you will see a few centres.

    My guess is that it will be the cities that kept Chinese New Year celebrations and attracted the virus.

    There has been a slight fall in new cases between yesterday and today.

    Need to wait and see if all reports in.

    Canada has approximately a 1% death rate, deaths/total cases

    New York has a death rate of 1.4%.

    As more testing is done the death rate will fall as the denominator expands.

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