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The newly elected Barbados government took the unprecedented decision on 1 June 2018 to suspend domestic and eternal payments on debt.ย  Credit rating agencies were predictably swift to respond by adjusting Barbados’ credit rating to selective default (SD).

Even the most ardent of Democratic Labour Party (DLP) supporters would have admitted the economy was in a free fall and the 28 May 2018 general election confirmed the prevailing sentiment. Never in the history of Barbados has a political party fail to win a seat in parliament, the BLP won all but 2 ‘boxes’.

The decision by the government to default resulted in the holders of government treasury notes and debentures taking a LOW haircut with maturities on the investments extended by 15 years. The good news story is that the local debt restructuring – if we accept the official report – has resulted in the national debt shrinking from 170% to 125% of GDP__ government has announced that by 2033 the debt should be 60%.

This blogmaster freely admits the BLP was dealt a bad hand on the 28 May 2018 and some hard decisions had to be taken to stabilize the economy. We can debate the how. The previous Freundel Stuart administration has justifiably earned the label as the worst government Barbados has experienced by a wide margin.

While listening to Senator Caswell Franklyn debating the Debt Holder (Approval of debt restructuring) Amendment Bill 2019 in the Senate this week doing a good job to remind that Chamber the misery government’s austerity policy is having on the poor, it reminded this blogmaster of the forgotten middle earning class. The decision by the government to restructure the domestic debt has impacted this group of persons who were encouraged to invest in government’s gilt edge securities by successive governments. You are reminded that for almost 10 Rh years under the Stuart administration the middle class – the majority with a mortgage, car and education loans – were asked to hold strain.ย  BOOM the first thing the Mottley government did was to yank a belt that was already fitted tightly around the waist of the middleclass Barbadian.

A middleclass Barbadian should be synonymous with being an educated Bajan. Middleclass Barbadians understand decisive decisions had to be taken by the Mottley government to meet head on the economic challenges facing the country. Here is what this blogmaster does not understand. We have the largest Cabinet in the history of the country and given the current state of affairs in the country several will be elected for a second term. We have a BU commenter who is quick to advise he doesn’t have to read and spell for the BU family.

The following blog retrieved from the BU archives should explain the grouse of this blogmaster.

Unfunded Government Pension aย Worry

Fiscal Problem In Barbados ! eb2d17288e33d24ec34a90fd04dca0d0 Dr. Justin Robinson recently shared some interesting information on Facebook, he attempted to breakout government expenditure and revenues โ€“ see the presentation, โ€˜facts on the Fiscal Situation in Barbados last 20 years. A focus on Transfers and Subsidiesโ€˜.

Successive governments have been challenged by the size of the transfers and subsidies allocation and it has become more so in the last decade given the fiscal challenges being experienced. Although out of the scope the blogmaster used the opportunity to question the chairman of the NIS about governmentโ€™s non NIS pension liability. Private registered pension plans AND the NIS receive input from actuaries to inform the level of funding required to ensure they are able to meet future obligations.

It is an open secret the pension plan which covers statutory agencies, members of parliament and other public sector agencies continue to be a significant pension expense for government. From arms distance the fund appears to be โ€˜under-fundedโ€™. This is the interesting point of the exchange on Facebook with the Chairman.

Unfunded Government Pension a Worry

If the blogmaster overestimated the ability of some to understand the thrust of the blog, Hants may be able to read and spell fuh wunnah.


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114 responses to “Middleclass the Forgotten Group After ‘Staying the Course’”

  1. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 2:45 PM

    No I am not unduly concerned about the expense. I expected it.
    We have an aging population. We should have been concerned when there was a failure of stakeholders to make and pay in their contributions. Acceding to poor management and irresponsible behaviour. Making short term knee jerk decisions,with consequences down the road. Those are in the past. Do you see any attempt to correct these failures? We are engaging in the same managerial behaviour and superficial nonsensical analyses.

    Going forward, we should make sure we have a fully employed labour force; that they and their employers pay in their contributions; and finally that the Political Class pensions be given a ball hair cut.

    How you like muh?


  2. The question had more to do with MP pensions.

  3. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Redguard “because flying to Miami or New York to shop will be finished.”

    Some of us, maybe the majority of us have NEVER flown to Miami nor New York to shop.

    Some of us, maybe most of us have no car. Why do you think that every ZR, Transport Board bus, and yellow bus are packed full both at morning and evening rush hour?

    Some of us grow our own food, have done so from the time we were at elementary school.

    Can you provide the references for your statements above?

    Thanks.

  4. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    In case you missed it. Politicians Pensions Scheme should be reviewed. They are too generous. Existing pensioners should not be changed but future pensions should be given a hair cut.

  5. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    David BU

    You are catching at straws.Surely MPs pensions are minuscule wrt our financial mess?


  6. @ William

    Minister Caddle, speaking on behalf of the government, recently said it would not borrow on the capital markets for the next four years, in other words until the next general election, and not a single word from our economic experts or opposition parties, even though this statement was full of policy implications.
    Instead of discussing if this means the government has abandoned infrastructural investments for the next four years, we got in to a discussion on BU about whether or not a government that has defaulted on its debt can access the global capital markets. This is a proper and legitimate question to raise, but in policy terms it is not the fundamental issue.
    But then again we have had White Oaks and the tip-toeing round the debt restructuring and no proper explanation. Then we get the policy contradictions: noise about climate change, then proposals for a so-called concession at the airport while we continue with the over-crowded streets with carbon monoxide poisoning of the population; an offer of cash payments for squatters, while silent on the rights of the property owners; redundant workers still waiting to be paid off; chaos in our schools and nothing about youth crime or indeed the mess in the criminal justice system or educational reforms; arrogance about the Bahamas, and nothing about how the Bahamians are treating the Haitians.
    On May 25, 2018, I, along with most Barbadians, was glad to see the back of the incompetent Stuart government; then when the prime minister and attorney general came before the press waving bits of paper I thought we were finally going to get something done about the lack of integrity in the public sector, then Donville Inniss got arrested in the US and a leading corporation was accused of bribery, and this new government that was meant to clean up the mess pretended, and continue to, that this had nothing to do with them. See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil. Of course the Clico mess continues.
    The report sheet so far is not very good.


  7. @Vincent

    Should we not be concerned about the inability of politicians to hold themselves accountable? How can we accept them imposing austerity measures on the populace and giving themselves a pass?

  8. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    Has it not occurred to you that the politicians are doing the best they can? The Electorate chose them from a limited slate of candidates. We ,the citizens, must shoulder our responsibilities as well.
    Do you know if they are being undermined and sabotaged? Not scaremongering. Just want you to examine all possibilities.


  9. @Vincent

    John Public can only make decisions based on what is known. More important is the fact we have to hold our leaders accountable. This is our civic duty.

  10. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    You are doing your part. Do not waste your energy trying to make others do theirs. Worry will get us nowhere fast. Relax.

  11. NorthernObserver Avatar

    @VC
    “Surely MPs pensions are minuscule wrt our financial mess?”
    wasn’t it your handle who told us the macro was the sum of the micros?

  12. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ NO at 4 :27 PM

    My retorts are not transferable. Different question. Different context. Different subjects. LoL. Good one!


  13. @ William

    When we were growing by 2% those could be deemed the good old days!

    In the DLP reign many years there was no growth and when growth did occur it was under 1 percent. The first 18 months of the BLP has shown us 4 quarters of continous decline, meaning we are now in recession as of the end of September. So where has that left us?

    Well if we accept that over the last 10 years true inflation has averaged 3 percent annually, then that means on average today the cost of living is 30% higher than 10 years ago correct? No wrong!

    The 3 percent compounded over 10 years means the cost of living is in fact 35% higher than in 2009. So people have received no real salary increases over the same period and the last budget took $400M in New taxes out the economy. So your $100 from 2009 can only buy in 2019, $65 worth of food. Along with this we have no growth plan on the horizon that will ensure that future growth will outstrip inflation. So in another 10 years the $100 from 2009 may only be able to but $42.90 worth of food.

    So yes we need to get growth in excess of inflation which would mean a total reversal of our current economic model and taxation system.

    Will it happen? Sincerely doubt it as the task would be offensive to the IMF.

    So in summary prepare to get poorer in real terms while government proceeds to tell you how good ” we got em”.


  14. Barbadians celebrated when the saw the backs of the past govt
    Now they have seen the front of present govt and it is ugly
    Four more years of smoke and mirrors
    A little tweeting her every now and then a few crumbs might fall off the masters table
    Did any one listen to Caswell comments about the banks and made mention of the credit Union which takes advantage of the people
    He came close to saying that the Credit Unions have become the new terrorist of financial institutions preying on those who have lost their jobs and could not make their payments
    He also made mention of lawyers who lay awake like thieves in the night raking up as much money on the vulnerable borrower who can least afford to pay the principle plus incurred fees doubling what is owed to the banks


  15. @ Mariposa

    If this is true, it is a case for the banking regulator. Has s/he gone missing in action? Either the regulator does not know what his responsibilities are or, if the legislation does not give him the authority to intervene, then he should be having this conversation with the appropriate minister.


  16. Caswell made those comments therfore one would think that Caswell is in better position to help write legislation that would give govt enough power to placed fines or legal action against predators institutions like the credit Union


  17. Can anyone tell what is of importance to Mia visit to Africa
    Today another stabbing occurred between two youths both boys
    What in the hell is happening in barbados
    Where is Mia when the country social enviroment is getting closer to hells hole
    The country is in deep doo doo and the chief cook and bottle washer cant be found
    30-0 equals waste of taxpayers money and time


  18. @ Mariposa

    She is doing her bit for the environment. Unscripted speeches, photo opportunities, hand waving, a dislike of the details of policy, punching above her weight, playing on a global stage, while neglecting home – welcome to politics 2019.
    You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.


  19. Hal. November 15, 2019 7:07 PM

    @ Mariposa

    She is doing her bit for the environment.

    ———–”–”

    Guess yuh right leaving her footprint in every country
    But unable to bring nothing back. to help the country

  20. Piece the Legend Avatar

    De ole man has decided to go pun a Barbados Underground sabbatical of sorts.

    And to sit AND WATCH as the people who care for the country come out and talk ABOUT THE DEATHS, THE FLAILING ECONOMY, THE POSTURING ABOUT GROWTH and the general calamity that has befallen Barbados

    I said I would keep me RH quiet and watch if, and how, the voices of Patriots would rise up and how the general conversation would get guided as it seeks to placate an ALREADY DOCILE BAJAN POPULATION!

    I looked at this title and I said that it was a brilliant fallacy to have included the word forgotten

    De ole man first went to de dictionary to find the word forget.

    “…to fail or neglect to become aware at the proper or specified moment: forgot about my dental appointment…”

    For one to forget something, ONE FIRST HAS TO HAVE BEEN AWARE OF IT FIRST!

    Imagine asking a 6 month old baby to recite the names of the 66 Books of the Holy Bible just after it is christened! purely based on its proximity to the Reverend during baptism!

    Remember that song many of us sing on old years night?

    “…Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
    And never brought to mind?
    Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
    And auld lang syne?”

    AULD LAND SYNE is Scottish for old long song as in the song that these set of BLP and DLP politicians have sung to us for years.

    And which lullaby we ingrunt sheeple seem to love tremendously as we continuously engage THE SAME PRACTICES OF VOTING FOR ILLITERATE SWINE, TERM AFTER TERM, AND WONDERING how de RH we get heah?

    I gone back into hibernation until there comes some sort of real serious challenge against the Mugabe Regime where real men and women get up and say THIS SHY$E MUST STOP!


  21. @DAVID

    Your BAJAN political HERITAGE is showing, Wily’s $1B instantly translated to $2B, Bajan mathematics learned via FREE EDUCATION. No wonder the country is a FAILED STATE.


  22. David
    Numbers please! But where were the majority of middleclass children going to unversity prior to 2018 and where now?


  23. @ Piece

    And which lullaby we ingrunt sheeple seem to love tremendously as we continuously engage THE SAME PRACTICES OF VOTING FOR ILLITERATE SWINE, TERM AFTER TERM, AND WONDERING how de RH we get heah?
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    MANY TIMES I DON’T AGREE WITH YOUR APPROACH HOWEVER WHAT YOU WROTES NAILS IT.

    THE WONDERFUL THING IN LIVING IN A DEVELOP COUNTRY AND BEING SUCCESSFUL IN ONE ENDEAVOUR REINFORCES AND EXPOSES THE BACKWARD THINKING ON THE ISLAND OF BIM.

    GRENVILLE OF SOLUTIONS BARBADOS WHOM I HAD LOTS OF HOPE FOR IS TOO BOGGED DOWN IN RECENT NEGATIVITY AND CANNOT SEE POSITIVE CRITICISM INSTEAD CHOOSES TO GO ON THE ATTACK ESPECIALLY HIS RECENT FORAGE AGAINST HAL AUSTIN.

    INSTEAD OF TACKLING THE ISSUES HE WANTS TO TACKLE THE MAN.


  24. MANY TIMES I DONโ€™T AGREE WITH YOUR APPROACH HOWEVER WHAT YOU WROTE NAILED IT.


  25. The IMF keeps telling govt what a great job they are doing saving money to pay debt
    The IMF has shown that there only interest is to keep govt feet to the fire throw govt an occasional dog bone pat them on the head and remind govt that the austerity measures are the best medicine prescribed for the people
    In meanwhile the grass is growing and the ๐ŸŽ is starving
    By this time next year thousands of barbadians would be homeless as unpaid mortgage loans and over due rent payments cannot be met because of these long term austerity measures all built on a foundation to target govt jobs


  26. The great Bush Tea was a great advocate of the cooperative movement. Where communities work in unison in order to build and maintain their local economies. This surely has to be the model that is appropriate for our island.

    For example, take our reliance on the state or private companies to provide our homes with electrical power. As a community, it is possible to manufacture or to purchase plant that will serve the entire community yet we rely on foreign owned companies to do this for us. We are a sun- kissed island; we should not be reliant on others to service our energy requirements.


  27. @ mariposa

    The simple way of looking at it is to keep the IMF happy we must suffer. Their program has no growth plan in it hence 4 quarters of contraction and increased taxation.

    How they view things is the GOB is spending too much, so to correct this imbalance they must spend less while at the same time tax more.

    I have never heard of an IMF plan that says let us improve the economy so that governments current level of spending can be covered by increased economic activity.


  28. @John A

    The blessing of the IMF supports the expectation market confidence will come eventually. The global model is one where international financial institutions and other entities listen carefully to what the IMF says before decisions are taken by them.


  29. The cooperative philosophy which gave impetus to the credit union movement originated from a community spirit that does not exist any longer.


  30. @ David.

    All the IMF does is provide funding and discipline to a country that was incapable of managing its own affairs.

    Had we not put politics before the economy in the last 10 years and done what we should of, there would of been no need for the IMF. But we had a PM who was a financial illiterate spouting nonesence like ” credit ratings only matter if you looking to borrow money.”


  31. @ Piece the Legend,

    Everyday I read BarbadosToday and Nationnews online.

    The Ministers and the Ministers in the Ministry of…. are good at ” sweet talk ” and ” long talk “.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/11/15/garbage-trucks-but-no-buses-yet-by-year-end/

    “Straughn added: โ€œWe are relooking everything we do with respect to business in Barbados and that includes logistics, and transportation is a critical part of that.

    โ€œAt the end of the day if you canโ€™t move people, if you canโ€™t move goods or move information and move garbage it means that the country would be in gridlock.โ€

    In the meanwhile the PM in Ghana and ” A delegation comprising the countryโ€™s top healthcare officials is currently in Ghana tasked with bringing 120 nurses to Barbadosโ€™ shores by the end of January, Minister of Health and Wellness Lieutenant Colonel Jeffrey Bostic has revealed.”

    The frequent flyer PM ” got this ”

    I just writing foolishness cause I stayed up late at night .lol


  32. There will be no new buses brought in as the plan is to slowly phase out the TB. You will see more permits issued slowly as the bus fleet declines.

    You call that ” Back door privatisation” lol


  33. @John A

    The IMF provides balance of payment support but as you know the IADB, World Bank and other agencies required for concessionary/developmental take the lead from the IMF.

  34. Piece the Legend Avatar

    @ Baje

    In my alter ego I am quite a nice person (or so I am led to believe heheheheh)

    When Mamie Till demanded that Emmett Till’s body be returned for Mississippi, she did not tell them what she was going to do with his corpse.

    She did not mention that she was going to show his skull, cracked with an axe, his eye gouged out, his tongue ripped out, a hole from one side of his forehead to the other that you could see daylight through.

    50,000 people walked past his coffin Baje, 50,000 saw the former face of a 15 year old whose penis had been cut off.

    Are you feeling me yet, Baje?

    My style here on Barbados Underground is not designed to get friends or pen pals.

    Nor is it crafted to curry favour … the purpose is to get people to see what the issues are, who their choices are, what their competencies are AND WHO NOT TO VOTE FOR!

    You said and I quote

    “…GRENVILLE OF SOLUTIONS BARBADOS WHOM I HAD LOTS OF HOPE FOR IS TOO BOGGED DOWN IN RECENT NEGATIVITY AND CANNOT SEE POSITIVE CRITICISM INSTEAD CHOOSES TO GO ON THE ATTACK ESPECIALLY HIS RECENT FORAGE AGAINST HAL AUSTIN.

    INSTEAD OF TACKLING THE ISSUES HE WANTS TO TACKLE THE MAN…”

    It has taken a while for people to realize what de ole man (and a few others here) saw at day one of the coming of Grenville Phillips aka Bedroom Policeman aka Iso TALIBAN

    I have said it about Walter Blackman AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT ABOUT MIA MUGABE MOTTLEY!

    It takes time for people to comprehend what de ole man is saying WITH MY NASTY LANGUAGE but like the shock of Emmett Till’s battered face, after a while, 50,000 people passing by start to see the disfigured corpse that Mugabe and Grenville Phillips represent.

    And after a time Baje all of you start to see WHO ARE THE PUPPETEERS THAT ARE PERMITTING GRENVILLE PHILLIPS TO promote his message day after day after day!

    I am your “Mamie” who displays this decaying political corpse with its festering injuries and ignominious death gashes WITH THE PERPETUAL HOPE THAT SHE SHOCKS ALL OF US TO WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!

  35. Piece the Legend Avatar

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here for Baje


  36. @ John A November 16, 2019 8:52 AM
    โ€œThere will be no new buses brought in as the plan is to slowly phase out the TB. You will see more permits issued slowly as the bus fleet declines.
    You call that โ€ Back door privatisationโ€ lol..โ€
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And that is exactly what the Dr. IMF-prescribed BERT programme requires!

    The (full) Privatization of the public transport system in Barbados.

    This is the same administration that requested bids from private sector players to finance the importation and operation of 70 or 80 electric buses which should been on the unprofitable routes since August 2019.


  37. 80 Transport board buses could have been on the road working everyday.

    Management and maintenance at the Transport board has been abysmal.

    I would hope that government did not have the money to import parts and pay mechanics to maintain and repair the buses and it is not contrived tiefing , lazinessand wuflessness.


  38. @ Piece the Legend November 16, 2019 9:31 AM

    From your ‘reference’ to “Mamie” we can glean you, Master Piece, to be a cognoscenti steeped in Black American history with special emphasis on Southern black culture in which Onstott and Horner would see you to be a trusted source of inspiration.

    We would not be surprised if you are also an aficionado of that giant of a man called Paul Robeson.

    Here is a blast from the Al Jolsonโ€™s โ€˜black-facedโ€™ minstrel imitation past:

    Mammy
    My little Mammy.
    The sun shines east, the sun shines west,
    I know where, the sun shines best!
    It’s on my Mammy I’m talkin’ about, nobody else’s!
    My little Mammy,
    My heartstrings are tangled around Alabammy.
    Mammy, Mammy, I’m comin’,
    I’m so sorry that I made you wait!
    Mammy, Mammy, I’m comin’!
    Oh God, I hope I’m not late!
    Look at me, Mammy! Don’t you know me?
    I’m your little baby!
    I’d walk a million miles
    For one of your smiles,
    My Mammy!


  39. @David.

    Yes and my point is had we managed our affairs properly we would have needed none of them. We all knew what was going wrong but we had no power to change. So Sinkler sent too many bajan dollars to chase too few USD and the rest is now history.

    My question is what has changed to stop it happening again? Answer nothing!


  40. @ Blogmaster;
    โ€œAs it relates to the Transport Board, I know they are in the process of acquiring about 50 buses.

    โ€œThe tendering arrangement is being completed at the moment, and I anticipate that sometime in the middle of next year we should be able to see those buses coming onto the roads of Barbados,โ€ He told journalists.โ€
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As the No.1 investigative journalist of the fifth estate why aren’t you exposing this vehicular ‘act’ of doublespeak transporting a heavy load of confusing BS?

    What kind of buses is the junior MoF of a mutt referring to?

    Is it the electric buses promised by a previous chairman of the TB to be recharged from alternative energy stations scattered across Barbados or the cheaper 50 diesel-powered buses which are contributing to a warmer Barbados and its high incidence of asthma cases among the young?

    Who will be financing the cost of getting these buses fuelled by whatever means on the profitable routes currently monopolizedโ€™ by a myriad of โ€˜private sectorโ€™ ZRs?


  41. @John A

    This government has been in the chair about 18 months, a relatively short time to right the wrongs. That said there are some worrying signs that Mia has an eye on the political.

    @Miller

    This blogmaster cannot prosecute everything. The best strategy for BU is to pick a few pillar issues to sink the blog teeth and prosecute relentlessly.


  42. @Miller

    You call his statement ” the kick the can down the road and hope dem forget approach.”

    Very popular approach with today’s politicians. ๐Ÿ˜Š


  43. Cut MP’s pensions??????!!!!! Does that mean that we should demand that MPs relinquish one of their TWO PENSIONS, one eligible after two consecutive terms and payable, if I remember correctly, from the age of fifty???? And this whilst they are still young enough to work, usually at well paying jobs using the connections they have developed often as a result of being MPs!!!!!!

    Would it not be better to follow the law (or recent interpretation thereof) and grab at the meagre pensions of the invalids who are unable to work? Is it not better that a lowly maid should beg the bank to refinance her mortgage and struggle to survive on slim pickings?

    The prime minister was of the view that “this should never have happened”.

    Minister of Labour Colin Jordan promised reversal within a few weeks. It took many inexplicable months!

    Last thing I heard is that they are going to develop a new policy on pensions. Minister in the Ministry of Finance, Ryan Straughn forcefully reiterated that the invalidity benefit is a pension, “MAKE NO MISTAKE”. And people would have to refinance their mortgages.

    I am not sure who exactly he is referring to. WHO is going to have to refinance their mortgage? Will the banks be ORDERED to accept less than a quarter of the previous monthly payment? That would be all many could afford on a shoestring budget. Is this reversal only temporary, I wonder. Will they take another run at it?

    How much do we pay in total pensions to these few MPs at present and is it more than the total pensions we pay to the few hundred invalids?

    It would not surprise me if it was.

    So…. if we are looking to save on pension payouts with minimum suffering where should we be looking?

    And that’s why it’s important to look at the generous pension policy for MPs, Vincent!


  44. DavidNovember 16, 2019 11:39 AM

    This blogmaster cannot prosecute everything. The best strategy for BU is to pick a few pillar issues to sink the blog teeth and prosecute relentlessly.

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    I do believe you have found the magic formula!

    As we move on to the next thing EVERYTHING becomes jumbled and forgotten. No follow through.

    That is what allows Trump to get away with everything. Distraction, distraction! Too much to absorb for anyone who has to make a living.


  45. @ the Sage Annunaki

    You are truly a very learnรฉd man

    It takes a rare skill to move so effortlessly through, climes, and languages, and political systems, and poets and religions and myths and enlightened meditations.

    I genuinely believe that you ARE INDEED ONE whose belief is so profound in The Causeless Cause that you have surpassed the various Appelations of Diety and understand truly what Jesus the Christ meant when he said

    In John 10:16

    “…other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd…”

    May all men be drawn to the One Almight God, selah


  46. @ John A

    You are correct. The IMF is nothing more than a sophisticated loan shark. Lend you money and breaks your knee caps if you donโ€™t do as it says.
    Questions for all those jokers who were talking about the โ€œnewโ€ IMF:
    Did it buy us one garbage truck ?
    Did it buy us one bus ?
    Did it create or save one job ?
    Did it bring us one major investment?
    Finally nobody needs a degree in Economics to understand the vital role transportation plays in any well functioning economy.
    Just do Oโ€™ level Commerce. That basic fact would be mentioned in the first two pages of any textbook.


  47. @ Simpleton

    When the Sage Annunaki mentioned DNA and Quaker heretofore, he did not do so to say that religious beliefs could be tested simpleton.

    The reasoning is thus.

    John IS KNOWN HERE AS THE CHAMPION OF THE QUAKER EXPERIENCE.

    The DNA challenge to John specifically, is a gentle goading that would, if taken by John the Quaker, and Historian, and explorer, and Agriculturalist and all sorts of things, expose him to the possibilities that his DNA MIGHT NOT BE SO PURE AFTER ALL and the possibility existed, AND WOULD THEN BE CONFIRMED “that his daddy ent he daddy, but he daddy doan know”

    Periodically you do prove the Honourable Blogmaster right though

    Heheheheh

    Doan cuss de po’ ole man I ole enough to be you fadder so respect me gray hairs ok?

    Heheheheh


  48. @ William.

    The IMF has for decades operated under the formula that one must reduce expenses to meet ones income by austerity.

    Never once that I can recall have they implemented a program that says let us increase economic activity so that we can surpass our current expenses.

    That’s is why ANY program ever brought by them to a country has led in contraction of the economy. But when we prove we can’t do the job then we must take the poison we are given.


  49. @ John A

    I love BU for a its rotating of debates that quite often have been resolved. The issue of the IMF Washington Consensus was long resolved by Olivier Blanchard, a former chief economist, who effectively apologised for the policy. Why are we now trying to justify bad economics from the IMF?


  50. @Hal

    I would like to ask the same question. When i hear politicians saying things will improve now that we have the IMF on board I have to laugh. They are the biggest hindrance to economic growth out there. All they bring in financial discipline to an undisciplined country.

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