Sex in Schools
Submitted by Grenville Phillips II, Leader of Solutions Barbados
Solutions Barbados is disappointed with the Ministry of Education’s weak response, to the warnings from Charlie Spice of the Adult Industry Association.
Mr Spice noted that over the past three years, there have been countless child pornography videos of Barbadian school children circulating via smart phones. He noted that child prostitution was growing exponentially across Barbados, and that Barbados was on course to become the country with the highest rate of under-age sex in schools.
Solutions Barbados predicted a similar trend over two years ago, when the former Minister of Education allowed our students to have smart phones in schools, without the critical pornography filters. We have repeatedly warned of the obvious harmful consequences, since it was foreseen that children will try to mimic what they repeatedly watch. Solutions Barbados urges the BLP administration to consider the following solutions.
First, install pornography filters on all wireless routers at schools, resource centres, and anywhere where free WiFi is offered by Government. Second, install a password-protected pornography filter on every student’s cell phone when they enter the school. Third, start charging adults who have sex with our children. The cost to Government to implement each of these initiatives is $0.00.
Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer and President of Solutions Barbados. He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com
So what else is new Mr Phillips? When you stop them from having sex in schools, they will go elsewhere and do the same thing all over again. As long as the technology is out there, you are spinning a top in mud. I know you mean well but people don’t care anymore.
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Where are the statistics, or is this just self-serving? Teenage pregnancies? STIs? Abortions?
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Hal Austin
October 11, 2019 8:22 AM
Where are the statistics, or is this just self-serving? Teenage pregnancies? STIs? Abortions?
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Since we mimic America the American abortion stats should give you an idea!!
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
Maybe Grenville is on to something!!
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As usual ,a very timely warning to the Nation of Barbados . These are the downsides of the new Information Technology Era. Information spreads more widely and with less censorship. The “sins”were always there. The good news is that we are alerted earlier and we know the nature and the vehicle. We need to counteract it. And we can with a little effort.
Thanks GPII.
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@Vincent
It seems some think we should surrender and others want the evidence. It is a strange world after all.
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Have cell phone will travel
I am confused about the gist of this column; Is the writer concerned about cell phones in schools or is he disturbed about students using cell phones to have a digital record of their sexual behavior in schools or is he alarmed about adults having sex with children?
Seems he is all over the place and just wants to get something off his chest.
I suggest a more structured column where people can debate the issues rather than a rant masquerading as an informed column.
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@ David Bu
Parents ,older siblings and adults have a responsibility to guide the young. What is secretive always challenges the young and curious. The young for the most part need guidance.
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As youngsters we peeped at Playboy and similar magazines for example. The imagery is now being amplified by the use of ubiquitous technology. Is the level of parental guidance available in todays society adequate given the ingredient of technology to the mix?
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@ Vincent there I little doubt that “we” have bee alerted early and if u want to give Phillips props on that then NP.
In more practical terms however it’s distressing that our local authorities continue to pay such disregard to this grave problem.
The school sex issue was known but the phone recording devices now make it an explosively dangerous issue and as Phillips recognizes it can have very, very bad consequences for those youth involved…. for the adult predators it MUST have legal consequences … that’s long overdue.
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@ Sergeant
I think GP is concerned about the use of ICT in spreading pornographic material to under-aged school children. The BU household knows that there were always discussions on sex and some distribution of pornographic material in schools. There is nothing new about that. Sex is a fact of life.
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@David, Playboy eh…you’ll not admit to the other more raunchy titles will you 😂 LOL!
But re parental guidance/protection…. Difficult tho it may be it’s absolutely possible for a strong parent to “GUIDE” a child in the face of all this stuff.
One cannot stupidly expect to prevent their exposure so the key is guidance to navigate the perils and act sensibly.
@Sargeant, that was an interesting post.
Phillips wrote a brief “rant” and is it not left to any and all commenters to flesh out the issues if we so choose to debate his rants…
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@DPD
Phillips wrote a brief “rant” and is it not left to any and all commenters to flesh out the issues if we so choose to debate his rants…
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If you don’t know where you are going any road will take you there………
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Dear All:
We write a weekly article, which is published across social media – including here on BU. The print, radio and TV media do not carry them. Their excuse is that they are too long, since all ‘letters to the editor’ must be less than 300 words to even be considered.
In response, we also prepare under 300-word press releases, identifying a topical issue and briefly explaining a workable solution. To give them no excuse, we try to make them under 200 words. That is not a rant.
They must now find another excuse for ignoring Solutions Barbados.
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RE If you don’t know where you are going any road will take you there………
THIS IS OF COURSE A CLEAR NON SECQUITUR
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@ nextparty246 October 11, 2019 10:12 AM
We thought you would have been a bit more controversially ‘reformative’ and call for a return to single-sex education at the secondary school level when the war of hormones are raging and racing at their fastest.
It would be interesting if the scenario of sexual exhibitionism and rites of passage affirmation occurs at the remaining single sex secondary institutions like SMSS.
If the cause or bête noir of this so-called recent trend towards sexually explicit behaviour among the youth lies at the easily-accessible feet of modern communications technology can it be assumed that similar ‘sexting’ and photo sharing opportunities via the Internet also prevail in those privately-managed secondary schools catering to a specific group of children; the progeny of those who pride themselves as being among the crème de la crème of the economic ‘lily-white’ milk jug?
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When I taught at the ——- School in the 1980’s two pupils were caught engaging in the sexual act in the wood-work building by the wood-work teacher. it was Speech Day at the school and the teacher left the proceeding to check on some thing. He was a Seven Days’ Adventist( that may have had a bearing on his reactions) and was incensed more by the position they were in than the actual sex itself. He kept complaining about the position so much so that we wanted to know if he had never experienced it. So pupils having sex at school is nothing new. it may also explain in part why boys are not doing as well as girls( girls tend to be more focused) for the most part.
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“So pupils having sex at school is nothing new. it may also explain in part why boys are not doing as well as girls( girls tend to be more focused) for the most part.”
Focussed on what – the sexual activity and if so are you suggesting that this focus is responsible for girls performing better than boys.
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@ charles skeete October 11, 2019 11:57 AM
Biology will ‘trump’ the constrining curbs of the moral reins of Religion any day in a gender-mixed environment.
Post puberty females are ‘controlled’ by two to ‘balance’ (no pun intended to your forerunner).
Males develop later at the puberty phase of life and are ruled by one (single-focused) hormone called testoster[one].
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@ Dr Lucas – “ two pupils were caught engaging in the sexual act in the wood-work building by the wood-work teacher”.
The young man obviously had a passion for ‘wood work’ and was willing to sacrifice the excitement of Speech Day in order to practice for what could become a lucrative career in the tourism industry. I must admit however, that I am surprised that a Seven Days Adventist believer was the teacher of choice for this specific subject. One never knows.
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@ Fear Play October 11, 2019 2:09 PM
The wood-work teacher died. He was very good at his job I must say. A very quiet fellow.He kept up a constant chatter about position. makes one wonder doesn’t it?
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Let’s return to single sex schools. We must not allow ideology to over-rule common sense.
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Single sex schools one can only presume will solve the issue of sex in wood work room or in the library or in the language labs or wherever on school grounds two sexually charged youth can secrete themselves … but does it resolve the fundamentals of life: males and females must compete and ALSO often partner closely and most IMPORTANTANTLY be still able to interact without being sexually ‘over’ stimulated!
Should the debate of single sex schools not be replaced with one on how to ensure better guidance and mental development of the youth to ‘prevent’ these school room misadventures!
… or is that impossible so we have to hark back to a previous model because we as adults are failing this generation!
Just asking.
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@Doc Lucas, good heavens the thrust of your story is that ‘position’!
I am apparently the only prurient minded person here it seems so I’ll ask: what was the so surprising position that raised the temperature of the teacher…
… afterall, you told us about the man’s religion (intimating a journey down another rabbit hole where I will not follow) but I am intrigued (well just malicious really) on the positioning of the youth!
A very brief answer will suffice…like backyard, or ‘a Lewinsky’ or something so.
No need to get too graphic for the decent folks on the blog who have absolutely no interest in this query.
Oh @David the Blogmaster, re your earlier Playboy remark…let me also (admit) note carefully that I read one of the most absolutely interesting, captivating and well written/detailed (up to that time) ARTICLES in that publication back circa 1980s or thereabouts: a profile of G. Gordon Liddy (Watergate infamy).
Reading how he used to blow up frogs as a boy and how he used his access as an agent to do a detailed background check on the woman he eventually married was a serious opening salvo of the nefarious and quite self serving ways of the privileged folks who worked in the Intel community (broadly speaking)…
..what they call the ‘Deep State’ these days.
Just saying bro…it really was an excellent publication…well of course the advertising was not bad either!
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@ de pedantic Dribbler October 11, 2019 5:17 PM
Le chien.
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@ de pedantic Dribbler
It seemed that he had never experienced it that way.
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@ de pedantic Dribbler
He was married so I leave you to conclude whatever you want to conclude.
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I wonder why dpD and Robert Lucas are spending so much time down these rabbit holes. You seemed as intrigued as the Africans were about the Missionary Position in the 16 th century.
Back to the topic. Parental guidance and supervision will be quite adequate. We all came through the sexual Middle Passage undamaged. Parents usually know how best to deal with these sensitive subjects.
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Yes, back to the topic. We came through. Then what did we do.
We played the lunatic and idiotically placed porn in our childrens hands 24/7/365. We are of all people, the most stupid.
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@DavidOctober 11, 2019 9:14 AM “As youngsters we peeped at Playboy and similar magazines .”
Speak for yourself David.
As a youngster i did no such thing.
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@de pedantic DribblerOctober 11, 2019 9:15 AM “for the adult predators it MUST have legal consequences…that’s long overdue.”
Only sensible comment so far.
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@robert lucasOctober 11, 2019 3:36 PM “He kept up a constant chatter about position. makes one wonder doesn’t it?”
Are certain sexual positions forbidden by the Seventh Day Adventist church?
If so why?
And are such positions also forbidden to long married Seventh Day Adventist couples, or only to naughty school children?
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@Hal AustinOctober 11, 2019 3:40 PM “Let’s return to single sex schools.”
This is not going to fix anything.
I went to a single sex girls secondary school way back in the 1960’s. A term rarely passed without a girl leaving school because she was pregnant (back then pregnant girls had to leave school) And i have no doubt that abortions were also arranged, and babies born and given in adoption.
Many of these teen mothers are now elderly respectable matrons, some of them may even be your wives (how would you know if your wife gave birth as a teen, and gave the baby up for adoption?) Some of the teen and university aged boys/men who impregnated the girls are now respectable professional men, some of them may even be you, the “boys” of BU.
If any of you had impregnated a teenaged girl would you tell the truth?
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@robert lucasOctober 11, 2019 6:45 PM “It seemed that he had never experienced it that way.”
Was he perhaps a missionary, before he became a woodwork teacher?
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(Quote):
We played the lunatic and idiotically placed porn in our childrens hands 24/7/365. We are of all people, the most stupid. (Unquote).
At least it has speeded up the job of Onanism!
Let us call on the government to make the ‘art of taking matters in your hand’ a criminal offence like smoking marijuana and anal sexting.
You can always put in each ‘juvenile’ person’s phone a surveillance masturbating monitoring chip to keep an eye on potential offenders “24/7/365”.
Where are the god Shu and goddess Tefnut when young people need them the most?
“Youth is wasted on the young.” ~GBS
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@Vincent, rappelling down that rabbit hole of youth at school doing unwise things as going ‘off topic’?
It was a bit risque I admit but the topic is ‘sexual behaviour at schools’ which that was/is!
2.I am not getting the point re: “We all came through the sexual Middle Passage undamaged.”
Please clarify.
And @Doc Lucas I conclude no more than you offered: likely his experiences were not as extensive as that of his fellow teachers (based on y’all incredulity) and surely not that of some of his students.
From the serious to half serious to the seriously joking.
So @Simple, if I may mimic @Austin: are u even suggesting that the incidence of school girls pregnancies is greater ( or lesser) today that your 60’s era?
Where are your stats for that either way to verify…and/or are you suggesting that pregnancy (sexual activity) as a key reason to reintroduce same sex schools is really a minor irrelevancy as it is superceded by societal norms …evidence please..😂!
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@ SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife
I am not a SDA and to your other question ,I haven’t a clue.
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I’m would take any thing Charlie Spice says with a pinch of salt.
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More like a pound.
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National Statistics
More than 19 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country.
Black women have a significantly higher abortion rate than Whites and Hispanics.
36.0% of all abortions in the U.S. in 2014 were performed on Black women, however, only about 13.3% of the total population is Black .
African-Americans are no longer the nation’s largest minority group. Today, Hispanics have outpaced Blacks in population growth.
For every 1,000 live births, non-Hispanic Black women had 391 abortions. Non-Hispanic White women had 120 abortions per 1,000 live births.
https://rtl.org/multicultural-outreach/black-abortion-statistics/
Michigan Statistics
Black women had 12,789 of the 25,757 abortions performed on Michigan residents in 2017. (Of the total 26,594 reported abortions in Michigan in 2017, 837 were performed on non-residents and 25,757 were performed on residents).
While Black women make up only about 14% of Michigan’s female population, they had 50.6% of all abortions reported in the state in 2017.
96.2% of Black women having abortions are not married.
Black abortions by age:
Under 20 — 8.8%
20-24 — 31.1%
25-29 — 34.3%
30-34 — 15.8%
35 and Older — 10%
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@ John
The president wants to increase the population of Barbados, should she therefore outlaw non-medical abortions and incentivise people to breed? And since humankind is the biggest contributor to global warming, does this contradict her belief in combatting global warming?
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HAL
WHAT IS A non-medical abortion?
iF THE PRIMEWICKER wants to increase the population of Barbados, should she NOT LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND BREED, OR IS SHE AS THEY SAY IN JAMAICA “a mule” ?
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@ John at 8:35 AM
Did you copy the statistics you quoted from a reliable source? Why will any government department wish to collect this mis- and unuseful information? I think you ought to be more responsible in what you keyboard.
Moreover we are discussing the Barbados situation.
@ GP II
Parents in Barbados have not put pornography in their children’s hands. It is healthy for children to be curious. We as adults need to guide and we need to monitor whom and what they are exposed to. It is those of depraved minds that are exploiting the situation. We need to put them away in prisons and monitor their movements after they finished their terms. They are sex offenders.
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@ de pedantic Dribbler October 11, 2019 9:34 PM
“I am not getting the point re: “We all came through the sexual Middle Passage undamaged.”
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A bit surprised at your ‘rare oversight’ in not being able to read between the lines in VC’s comment written as clear as crystal in Freudian language.
Don’t babies come into this world (unless you are named, misleadingly, after Caesar) as innocent as Adam was before he was confronted by Ev(e)il?
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If the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother, over and above the normal risks, then an intervention may be necessary. A non-medical intervention is, for example, an abortion if the baby will suffer from Down’s Syndrome as in Iceland, or an abortion for social or career purposes..
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Most of you are ace at this, but just a reminder guys to be polite and courteous to other members – we want to keep this a welcoming space for everyone. Sometimes you may disagree with another person’s opinion and that’s fine, friendly debate is welcome, but please refrain from using offensive language against them. Personal attacks are not acceptable in this group and we will remove members who take things too far.
If you feel someone’s post or comment has crossed the line please report the offending material for the admins to deal with. I’ve just removed a post and two members for personal attacks on each other in the thread that followed + it’s not a nice experience for anyone.(Quote)
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@Miller, thanks for the clarification(?). Frankly, I thought for one brief moment that was THE “middle passage” being breached but then I said ‘of course not’ …. reason: why even go down that road! Child birth is a “natural” thing and the survival of that passage is really a meaningless discussion point outside serious medical/biological discourse. I don’t see how us surviving child birth can be equated anything else we overcome in life UNLESS we are talking about specific cases.
Anyhow, as you said I just didn’t “read between” those lines properly.
Incidentally, you do love your word play… that “…unless you are named, misleadingly, after Caesar” was amusing….a ‘salad’ of puns even! 😂…My weak Sat morn joke starter fah sure.
Oh @Vincent, are we not onerfull with @John ‘irresponsible’ keyboarding! Beyond the US stats likely being unrelated to Bim the other question is: so what of the stats?
If you don’t believe in abortion then so be it but to aimlessly cite the high incidence of abortion among Blacks without making some relevant point about an impact is just…well, aimless!
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@DpD
@Vinny
Thank you. I almost went down the rabbit hole after John when I saw the “stats”.
A happy and wonderful Saturday to all of Barbados
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@ GP October 12, 2019 9:19 AM
GP, how do you explain a “mule” in biological terms?
Is a mule one of the animals your Yahweh forgot to create in his Garden of Perfection?
Is the mule a parody of Yahweh’s experiment when he issued the following instruction to himself?
“Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds. And it was so.”
Maybe it’s just Mother Nature’s example of what it means to be Transgender; just built-in ‘reproductive’ redundancy in the human population; or in this case, the equine population.
Maybe modern doctors schooled in the science of eugenics should try to cross a Noah-descended human with a bonobo chimp to ‘breed’ a new kind of ‘man’ in order to save homo sapiens from pending self-annihilation.
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Hal Austin
October 12, 2019 9:03 AM
@ John
The president wants to increase the population of Barbados, should she therefore outlaw non-medical abortions and incentivise people to breed? And since humankind is the biggest contributor to global warming, does this contradict her belief in combatting global warming?
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Doesn’t it make more sense to work on the mindset of these misguided mothers?
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@ Miller at 10 :20 AM
Is the mule transgender or neuter? What about the worker honey bee ? Surely these are not mistakes of Nature or of Yahweh?
But we are drifting away from the perceived “?problem of ?sex in schools “.
My initial perception is that the incidence is no higher than it was over the past hundred years.
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MILLER
IT IS WRITTEN
In whom the god of this world (I.E THE DEVIL) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:4
THIS IS TRULY VERY SAD
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https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/states/california/
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What about the worker honey bee ?
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They are all female, unable to reproduce …. until ….
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@ Vincent Codrington October 12, 2019 11:02 AM
But before we return to the topic at hand are you implying that gender is not that ‘black or white’ and that there are shades of grey areas along the spectrum of Nature’s ‘sex’ continuum of reproductive success or failure?
Maybe the old testament people had a ‘right’ way of dealing with those male outliers who had the propensity of displaying transgender tendencies.
Why not relieve them of their budding bouncing two tools stored in a knotted ball of a bifurcated tank which might hinder their progress to such a ‘neutered’ sexual state?
How about castration to ‘nip’ this curse in the bud?
As you point out, there is nothing new under the Sun. Children have always begat children.
Many children died agonizingly in childbirth in the sugarcane fields as a result of being prematurely forced upon by their slave masters and their ‘ecky-becky’ plantation supervisors. And there is ample ‘red-skin’ evidence all round Barbados to support that contention.
BTW, which is the ‘bigger’ sin?
Aborting a teenage pregnancy or impregnating another man’s wife with a holy spirit called Emmanuel or even extracting the seed of your own father under the influence of similar ‘spirits’ in order to continue the genetic line called the curse of Lot?
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@The Pedantic Dribbler “So @Simple, if I may mimic @Austin: are u even suggesting that the incidence of school girls pregnancies is greater ( or lesser) today that your 60’s era? Where are your stats for that either way to verify…and/or are you suggesting that pregnancy (sexual activity) as a key reason to reintroduce same sex schools is really a minor irrelevancy as it is superceded by societal norms …evidence please..😂!”
It was not me, but Hal who suggested the introduction of single sex schools. Please note that I am NOT in favour of single sex schools. I expect that there are fewer teenage pregnancies nowadays, because more reliable contraceptives, the pill, condoms at every corner shop, the morning after pill are available. Young people no longer have to “rely” on Phensic between the knees. Sorry I don’t have the stats, maybe the Ministry of Health or the Barbados Family Planning Association collects the data. Single sex schools won’t stop teens from having sex, since i expect that most of the sex takes place before school, after school, and during those nice long vacations when older teens are NOT supervised by anybody, no parents, no teachers. Remember there are 8,760 hours in a year, and teens typically spend only 5 days x 6 hours x 40 weeks=1,200 in the classroom, so that leaves 7,560 hours per year for unimaginable amounts of hanky panky.
And less we forget the age of first birth in Barbados and many other countries has typically been 19, so it means that we, our parents, grandparents, and great grand parents were also as teens engaging in sexual activity.
Please note that i am not in favour of adults engaging children in sexual activity. I am also NOT in favour of teachers and other school/education officials engaging in sexual activity with children, even if those children are older than 16.
But to imagine that we can prevent 17, 18, and 19 year olds engaging in sex.
It ain’t going happen’
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@JohnOctober 12, 2019 8:35 AM “National Statistics More than 19 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country. Black women have a significantly higher abortion rate than Whites and Hispanics.”
Higher unemployment, and higher underemployment has and continues to destabilize the black family in the United States and elsewhere in the diaspora, and you know this as well as I do, so don’t gimme no pretend innocence. And this unemployment and undereployment is driven by racism and by white privilege, especially by WHITE MALE privilege.
The best way to ensure that more black women can carry their pregnancies to term is to get rid of racism and white privilege, especially WHITE MALE privilege.
But you don’t want that do you?
You would rather beat up on poor black women.
Stupssseee!!!
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@GPOctober 12, 2019 9:19 AM “should she NOT LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND BREED, OR IS SHE AS THEY SAY IN JAMAICA “a mule” ?
Was your mother or any of your many wives “breeding” when they were 54.
For a reputed physician, and reputed Barbados Exhibitioner you does make some real, real foolish statements.
For the non-physicians and non exhibitioners: Most women over the age of 54 cannot reproduce, even with the most modern technology, human female reproduction after the age of 54 is exceedingly rare, compared to the reprduction which takes place between the ages of 24 and 34.
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Let’s return to single sex schools. We must not allow ideology to over-rule common sense.(Quote)
I have not made any connection between single sex schools and teenage pregnancies. We have had this discussion before. I am in favour of single sex schools as a matter of principle. Globally, boys under-perform girls in mixed sex schools. Nothing to do with pregnancies.
This was the subject of my speech to the Commonwealth Secretariat in Barbados a few years ago.
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@Hal AustinOctober 12, 2019 9:03 AM “The president wants to increase the population of Barbados, should she therefore outlaw non-medical abortions and incentivise people to breed? And since humankind is the biggest contributor to global warming, does this contradict her belief in combatting global warming?”
The population oof barbados contributes an infinitesimal amount to global warming, and even if Barbados’ population was 2 or 3 times its size its contribution to global warming would stil be very tiny.
So what are you trying to say?
or are you just being a misogynistic old man?
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human female reproduction after the age of 54 is exceedingly rare, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE
WHO IS makING some real, real foolish statements AGAIN?.
human female reproduction after the age of 54 is exceedingly rare AND MORE SO AMONGST WICKERS, AH LIE?
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@JohnOctober 12, 2019 11:01 AM “Doesn’t it make more sense to work on the mindset of these misguided mothers?”
Are there no misguided fathers?
I grew up in a Barbados where we saw very yung women giving birth to half white babies. The white fathers were never present.
Were they perhaps misguided by their white families not to associate with their half black children?
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In the rules of discourse, there is a complexity and disciplined procedure, all part of logic (I remember one wise guy saying on BU logic was not core to philosophy) and central to argumentation theory.
I say that to say a question is not a statement, it is an interrogative which seeks an answer. I have noticed on a number of occasions on BU people interpret a question as a statement of belief. It is at times like this that we miss Richard Allsopp’s close study of Caribbean grammar.
A question is not a statement of belief, it seeks an answer. Stop it.
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@Kammie HolderOctober 12, 2019 4:44 AM “I’m would take any thing Charlie Spice says with a pinch of salt.”
Another sensible comment.
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RE ASSTIN’S POSITION THAT A question is not a statement of belief, it seeks an answer. Stop it.
SOME QUESTIONS ARE RHETORICAL ASSTIN! AH LIE
e.g CAN TWO WALK TOGETHER UNLESS THEY BE AGREED?
Can any of you by worrying add a single moment to your lifespan?
Do people pick grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
You brood of vipers! How can you say god things when you are evil?
Is a lamp brought to be put under a basket or under a bed rather than on a lamp stand?
If even the smallest things are beyond your control, why are you anxious about the rest?
For who is greater, the one seated at table or the one who serves?
FINALLY FOR YOU SPECIALLY ASSTIN
Are even you likewise without understanding?
Why do you not judge for yourself what is right?
Why do you not understand what I am saying?
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SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife
October 12, 2019 2:29 PM
@JohnOctober 12, 2019 11:01 AM “Doesn’t it make more sense to work on the mindset of these misguided mothers?”
Are there no misguided fathers?
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Course, but they are not the ones having abortions!!
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SS
The best way to ensure that more black women can carry their pregnancies to term is to get rid of racism and white privilege, especially WHITE MALE privilege.
But you don’t want that do you?
You would rather beat up on poor black women.
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Just “blindly” re quoting a statistic!!
Would love it if it were wrong.
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Any woman faced with circumstances where abortion even becomes an option is not in a fit state of mind to choose.
Yet, it is entirely her responsibility to make the choice.
She determines if her child lives or dies.
A trustworthy man can help but still, responsibility for the choice is entirely at her.
But, if she has a trustworthy man, the option of abortion will probably not present itself.
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GP October 12, 2019 9:19 AM
“HAL
WHAT IS A non-medical abortion?
iF THE PRIME*****”…… GP, totally out of place, disrespectful and uncalled for. You should really be ashamed of yourself for refereeing to anyone in this manner. Your manner of referring to the Prime Minister of Barbados in this way speaks volumes more about you than her.
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FEAR PLAY
QUID DIXI SCRIPSI QUE AND I HAVE NO APOLOGY TO MAKE TO YOU, HIM OR ANYONE ELSE
IF the Prime Minister of Barbados IS PRIMUS AMONG WICKERS IN BARBADOS, SHE IS THEN THE PRIME WICKER
I AM TOTALLY IN PLACE IN MY PLACE AND MY SPACE AND VERY VERY COMFORTABLE AND I AM NOT ASHAMED OF A THING
IF the Prime Minister of Barbados IS NOT ashamed TO WICK WHY SHOULD I BE ASHAMED TO CALL HER A WICKER
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YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION AND I HAVE MINE
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FEAR PLAY
ARE YOU OF THIS ILK AS DESCRIBED IN THESE VERSES FROM ROMANS 1?
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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John
October 12, 2019 4:48 PM
Any woman faced with circumstances where abortion even becomes an option is not in a fit state of mind to choose.
Yet, it is entirely her responsibility to make the choice.
She determines if her child lives or dies.
A trustworthy man can help but still, responsibility for the choice is entirely at her.
But, if she has a trustworthy man, the option of abortion will probably not present itself.
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There is always faith in God on which to rely.
She and her advisors may not have a clue how it will work out but somehow God always provides a way!!
She is carrying life inside her which God made for a reason.
A man is never faced with such a choice, that’s just how we were made.
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@ John October 12, 2019 8:52 PM
There is always faith in God on which to rely.
She and her advisors may not have a clue how it will work out but somehow God always provides a way!!
She is carrying life inside her which God made for a reason.
A man is never faced with such a choice, that’s just how we were made.
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Does that scenario apply when the woman has been violently raped by an unknown assailant or by a group of vicious thugs like Boko Haram or the KKK?
Why not called the result of that terror nothing but pure Johnny Klat Talk coming from a dye-in-the-wool misogynist!
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Miller
October 12, 2019 9:53 PM
@ John October 12, 2019 8:52 PM
There is always faith in God on which to rely.
She and her advisors may not have a clue how it will work out but somehow God always provides a way!!
She is carrying life inside her which God made for a reason.
A man is never faced with such a choice, that’s just how we were made.
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Does that scenario apply when the woman has been violently raped by an unknown assailant or by a group of vicious thugs like Boko Haram or the KKK?
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It applies in all circumstances.
Thing is all she has to do is ask and go from there!!
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@ Fear play
The real problem s not GP’s, it is the chairman’s for not setting standards, while defending free speech. He objects more to unconventional ideas than he does about vulgarity and threats of violence. Says a lot about his values.
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The truth is that GP knows nothing about the sex life, or the lack of a sex life of the Prime Minister. I am fairly certain that he has NEVER been in her bedroom, nor has she ever gone into his.
But he would want us to believe that rumour and gossip is the same as fact.
The truth is that just like GP the Prime Minister is entitled to have a sex life; or not have a sex life. The choice is entirely hers. GP has exercised his choices in the matter of his sex life. Other people have the same right. As long as we do not engage with minors, nor with non-consenting parties, nor deliberately infect another person with an STI what we do in the privacy of our bedrooms is nobody’s business
Grown men and women ought to understand this. it is time that we abandon the 3rd form behaviour.
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@JohnOctober 13, 2019 1:05 AM “Thing is all she has to do is ask and go from there!!”
O! That is were so.
But you know and I know, that even while God is good, his children are much less so. And everyday in every country of the world the children of praying, asking, parents suffer, sometimes at the hands of their own neglectful or wicked parents. And too often this suffering is ignored by both the church and the state, and alas manna no longer falls from the sky.
We are not yet in the “Promised Land.” I know that, and you know it too.
And “NO” a woman should not be compelled to bear and rear a rapist’s child.
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@ John October 12, 2019 8:52 PM
“It applies in all circumstances.
Thing is all she has to do is ask and go from there!!”
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Ask who?
Supposed the woman who has been violently raped and consequently impregnated by more than one spermatozoon happens to be Hindu or Chinese Taoist, of whom and to what end, then, should she “ask”?
John you must learn to widen your ‘spiritual’ vista and stop seeing the world through a Leviticus-type monofocal lens made from Abrahamic glass.
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JOHN K
YOUR COMMENTS ON WHAT IS THE THEOLOGY OF GOD’S GRACE IS CORRECT
WE KNOW THAT ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD TO THEM THAT LOVE GOD
WE KNOW THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE FACED WITH TESTING TROUBLES TRIALS SORRORS AND SUFFERINGS
WE ARE TOLD IN 1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 THAT GOD WILL HELP US TO OVERCOME BY THE SAME TESTING TROUBLES TRIALS SORRORS AND SUFFERINGS. WHETHER IT IS
DIVORCE
POVERTY
FAILING EXAMS
GETTING HORNS
GETTING DISTURBING NEWS
LOSING YOUR JOB OR FAME AND FORTUNE
BEING HATED ON BU
BEING RAPED OR ROBBED OR OTHER WISE BEING DESPICABLY TREATED
THE PAGES OF HISTORY IS FILLED WITH MYRIADS OF FOLK WHO HAVE OVERCOME ALL THESE THINGS BY GOD’S GRACE
70 YEAR OLD PEOPLE WHO GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY SHOULD KNOW THESE THINGS, YOU WOULD THINK
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RE I am fairly certain that he has NEVER been in her bedroom, nor has she ever gone into his.
YOU ARE 100% CORRECT FOR ONCE
BUT WHY SHOULD SUCH AN ABBERATION OCCUR?
GP DOES NOT ENGAGE IN HER PREFERRED SEXUAL ABBERATION . SO WHY SHOULD WE VISIT EACH OTHERS BEDROOMS? YOU ARE NOT VERY LOGICAL, ARE YOU.
I DID NOT WANT TO TAKE SEX OUT OF SCHOOL, BUT I HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH. LOL
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John you must learn to widen your ‘spiritual’ vista and stop seeing the world through a Leviticus-type monofocal lens made from Abrahamic glass.
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No need, God’s offer of help is to all mankind … and womankind, regardless of religion.
It’s free and accessible at a moment’s notice.
There is no standing in line!!
The only thing is you can’t tell how the help will arrive, just accept it when it comes!!
It may not be in the form you may think you want.
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@ John at 8:52 AM
You wrote :”you can’t tell how the help will arrive,just accept it when it comes!! It may not be in the form you may think you want”.
I concur. We never know God’s will. It may not be the same as yours or mine. As Miller pointed out Leviticus may or may not be expressing the will of God.
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@ John October 13, 2019 8:52 AM
There is only ONE Unifying Force which submits all of humanity to one common denominator on this planet.
It is the LIGHT above which shines on everyone; from the Eskimo to the Pygmy.
Or to put it in Quaker style, the light within every human being which requires only the switch of spirituality; and not manmade religion.
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re Leviticus may or may not be expressing the will of God.
SO THEN WHY IS IT IN THE WORD OF GOD?
IS NOT THE WILL OF GOD EXPRESSED IN THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD AS WELL AS THE REVEALED WORD OF GOD (THE “LOGOS”) OF JOHN 1:1 ET SECQ?
the LIGHT above which shines on everyone; from the Eskimo to the Pygmy.
THE LORD JESUS ASSERTS IN JOHN 8 & JOHN 9 THAT HE IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
WHEN WE BELIEVE IN HIM – THE LIGHT, WE HAVE LIFE AND LOVE WHICH IS SAID TO BE SHED ABROAD IN THE HEARTS OF BELIEVERS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AS IS CLEARLY TAUGHT IN ROMANS 5:5
A PROPER GRASP OF THE JOHANNINE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE REVEALS THAT HIS KEY WORDS ARE BELIEVE KNOW LIGHT LIFE AND LOVE
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One of the reasons I am so interested in the Quakers and Puritans too is because it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that they were used as tools by God to spread his Word to all mankind.
It doesn’t make me a Puritan or a Quaker just someone fascinated by how God’s Word spread.
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JOHN K wrote There is always faith in God on which to rely.
YOU ARE CORRECT JOHN …….For we walk by faith, not by sight–2 Corinthians 5:7
I learned that as a youth in the Anglican church. AI JOHNSON used to say that every Sundee!
Romans10:17 teaches that “… Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God”
i.e You get faith when you believe the FACTS. i.e the word of God NOT YOUR FEELINGS.
WHEN YOU GO BY YOUR FEELINGS YOU TALK FOOLISHNESS LIKE THE BIBLE ILLITERATES INCLUDING THE AGED ONE WHO GOES CHURCH EVERY SUNDEE
Hebrews 11:6 TEACHES But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience- James 1: 3 is what it is all about.
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John
October 12, 2019 3:40 PM
SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife
October 12, 2019 2:29 PM
@JohnOctober 12, 2019 11:01 AM “Doesn’t it make more sense to work on the mindset of these misguided mothers?”
Are there no misguided fathers?
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Course, but they are not the ones having abortions!!
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Isn’t “white privilege” really another way of denigrating and undermining Christianity without being called for religious intolerance?
The decision to subject her body to an abortion rests entirely with the woman who wants , or think she wants, to be rid of the child.
God deals with individuals on an individual basis.
But the individual has to make an individual decision to come to him for help.
“More than 19 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country.
Black women have a significantly higher abortion rate than Whites and Hispanics.
36.0% of all abortions in the U.S. in 2014 were performed on Black women, however, only about 13.3% of the total population is Black .
African-Americans are no longer the nation’s largest minority group. Today, Hispanics have outpaced Blacks in population growth.
For every 1,000 live births, non-Hispanic Black women had 391 abortions. Non-Hispanic White women had 120 abortions per 1,000 live births.”
So, is it really “white privilege”, racism and whatever other “over arching and all encompassing explanations” “experts” seek to invent to explain these differences or is it just the Power freely available to an individual at work?
If a woman’s life is not at stake and everything is physically normal in the pregnancy, doesn’t the question of abortion really arise in the mind?
The sheer scale of the numbers of abortions suggest there are powerful forces at work to change a normal individual’s mindset and deliberately kill children.
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I can think of two instances from the Bible where children were deliberately killed, in Egypt at the time of Moses and when Jesus was born.
Why did the powers that be seek to commit such heinous acts then and why now?
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@ John at 11:08 AM
The “reports” of the two instances quoted by you also provided the answers to your query. Are you suggesting that the motives of your alleged ” heinous acts” are similar, even though divided by space and time?
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Q Why did the powers that be seek to commit such heinous acts then and why now?
IN ONE CASE THE PHAROAH SOUGHT TO REDUCE THE MALE POPULATION OF HEBREWS FOR FEAR THAT THEY JOINED WITH ENEMIES TO OVER THROW HIM
IN THE OTHER CASE HEROD SOUGHT TO ELIMINATE A POTENTIAL RIVAL
IN BOTH CASES RETENTION OF POWER WAS THE HUMAN MOTIVE
IN BOTH CASES THE DEVIL WAS SEEKING TO THWART THE PROMISE OF “THE SEED”
Q Are you suggesting that the motives of your alleged ” heinous acts” are similar, even though divided by space and time?
ABSOLUTELY! 100% CORRECT VINCENT IF YOU FOLLOW THE STATED PURPOSES OF GOD STARTING IN GENESIS (THE SEED PLOT OF THE BIBLE)
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Lawmakers in New York cheering!!!
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@GPOctober 13, 2019 8:45 AM “YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.”
Of course I am ALWAYS 100% correct.
Lolll!!!
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@JohnOctober 14, 2019 10:59 AM “Isn’t “white privilege” really another way of denigrating and undermining Christianity without being called for religious intolerance?”
Not really.
i LOVE Christians.
However Christianity was a religion started by brown people in the Middle East, then spread to black people in Ethiopia. The white people were fairly late in receiving the invitation tothe Christian party.
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RE However Christianity was a religion started by brown people in the Middle East, then spread to black people in Ethiopia. The white people were fairly late in receiving the invitation tothe Christian party.
THIS RUBBISH IS DEFINITELY NOT SUPPORTED BY THE ACCOUNT OF THE GOSPEL GIVEN IN ACTS OR IN TEXTS OF CHURCH HISTORY WRITTEN BY KNOWLEDGEABLE SCHOLARS
NOTE THAT THE BELIEVERS OR THOSE OF THE WAY- WERE FIRST CALLED CHRISTIANS AT ANTIOCH Acts 11:19-26.
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http://www.msn.com/en-xl/asia/asia-top-stories/newborn-baby-girl-pulled-from-shallow-grave-in-india-survives-in-hospital/ar-AAIJRop?li=BBKxOeO&ocid=spartandhp
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So Middle Eastern Jews of Jesus’ times were European white people?
The Ethiopian eunuch was a white European?
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RE So Middle Eastern Jews of Jesus’ times were European white people?
The Ethiopian eunuch was a white European?
IF YOU UNDERSTOOD ACTS YOU WILL FIND THAT AFTER A WHILE MOST OF THE CHURCH WAS NOT JEWISH DUMMY AND BIBLICAL ILLITERATE!
SO YOUR STUPID QUESTION >>>>>>>>>>>So Middle Eastern Jews of Jesus’ times were European white people IS DUMB!
GO BACK TO YOUR GROUND YOU STUPID FOOL, AND TO YOUR OTHER ADMITTED PROFESSION
READ ACTS AT EVERY TURN, PAUL WENT FIRST TO THE JEWS BUT WHEN THEY REJECTED THE GOSPEL AS HE CLEARLY POINTS OUT ALSO IN ROMANS 9-11, AND ACTS 16 17 ETC HE TURNED TO THE GENTILES — WHO WERE DEFINITELY NOT BROWN JEWS OR BLACK ETHIOPIANS
IT IS AMAZING HOW YOU NARROW MINDED BIBLE ILLITERATES ON BU TRY TO CONTRADICT ME
IT IS AMAZING HOW SHALLOW AND POOR IS THE BASIC BIBLE KNOWLEDGE OF BU BRIMBLERS WHO WOULD SEEK TO CONTRADICT ME EVEN AFTER GOING CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY FOR OVER 70 YEARS
THEN I GET MODERATED WHEN I SAY THAT I ROCK AND MOCK
IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO PICK UP A FEW VERSES AT CHURCH PUN SUNDEE ONE MUST SEEK TO GROW IN GRACE AND IN THE KNOWLEDGE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND TO LEARN TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.
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READ ROMANS 16 AND NOTE THE LIST OF NAMES IN THIS POST SCRIPTUM
OF THE 36 NAMES NOTED , LIGHTFOOT ET AL NOTES THAT FEW (6) WERE JEWS– WHOM PAUL PAUL CALLS KINSMEN
He is saying that these six believers were Jews who had come to know the Lord Jesus Christ, and so were thus both Israelites and brothers in Christ. We know of only two relatives of the Apostle Paul. His sister and her son (Acts 23:16.).
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VERY GOOD JOHN
GOOD BASIC SUNDAY SCHOOL STUFF
THIS ONE IS HAS BETTER MAPS THOUHGH
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