Internet Town Hall on Crime & Violence – All Are Invited

With the tranquil landscape of Barbados being routinely disturbed by a culture of gun violence an unprecedented murder rate.  Civil society is being encouraged to frankly discuss short term and long term measures to implement to arrest the trending. BU commenter Greene posted the following measures (with minor edits by the blogmaster) to kickoff Barbados Underground Internet Town Hall on Crime & ViolenceHow to Arrest it NOW.

David, Barbados Underground


Short term measures

  1. Come right out and tell Bajans that the young men in some areas are murderers and are terrorising BIM by killing one another and if they continue so the Govt will have to invite people in BIM to take their place in BIM.
  2. Tell them that the illegal drug trade and reprisals are responsible for murders. that the guns are coming through the Port and that any government officials including but not limited to politicians, police and customs involved and caught will be punished severely. Change the official corruption laws to suit.
  3. Tell mothers and women by accepting drug money and turning a blind eye to the activities of their sons and boyfriends that they part of the problem.
  4. Enforce or implement Money Laundering and asset forfeiture Laws
  5. Second half the Defence Force to the police as patrol units in hot spot with a view to engage and challenge suspected drug and gun men/dealers based on intelligence in the first place and observation when they are in the area.
  6. Actually engage and if fired upon shoot to kill taking into consideration threats to their own lives and dangers posed to others in the area.
  7. Speedy Trials
  8. Look to pop some necks even if it means changing the laws.
  9. Discuss openly about what is causing the problems and solicit solutions.
  10. Seek a truce between warring factions with a forum where where they can confront each other in a neutral setting (do not know if this is possible).
  11. Look at witnesses protection with a view to sending those who qualify to other participatory islands/ countries.
  12. Provide and lease farm land to young men and women who say they have nothing to do.
  13. Teach civics from primary school with an established set of ideals that we expect from Bajans.

And I would say all this to the public.

Long term

  1. Look to change the school system to make it more hands on for boys with more technical subjects.
  2. Revert to single sex schools
  3. Provide counselling or more counselling for troubled youths and parents with early intervention programmes.
  4. Improve the lot of the police by paying them more and making the service more attractive. If the Government says they have no money they can exempt police, fire and prisons (emergency services) from income taxes and provide free health care at any private facility.
  5. Disband the Defence Force and recruit those who want to and are qualified into the police, fire service and prisons.
  6. Change corruption and other associated laws.
  7. Make marijuana legal for anyone over 18.
  8. Decriminalize other hard drugs treating them as a health issue and not a legal issue.
  9. Alter all the above from time to time to suit the changing circumstances.
  10. Look to improve the long term economic and employment situation.

197 comments

  • If anything’s criminal, it’s the massive increase in land tax, thanks to former MoF Chris Sinckler and his very retarded policy.

    I know people who have received a bill of 10,000 or 20,000 dollars in May. That’s what I call a harsh loss. Unlike the whining of some islanders who in the past only voted for DLP and now wonder that s*** is flying around their ears.

    And what do they pay $20,000 for??? To feed lazy civil servants who just polish their fingernails all day long.

    It is time for Mia Mottley to take the lead in the villa owners’ protest march against the apologists of the Barbadian welfare state. Let’s march to the palaces of the DLP, the unions and the bureaucrats of the welfare state. Let us tear down their palaces and free the taxpayer from the merciless grip of the Hydra called welfare state.

    It will not be long before we have a civil war in which the taxpayers defend themselves against the civil servants and other boarders of the welfare state.

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  • @ Sirsimple

    Ok let me ask you to consider this approach instead and tell me what you think.

    Suppose we legalise the holding of marijuana to a small Amount say 2 spliffs for argument sake. But then we increase substantially the fines for those caught with trafficable amounts as outlined by the law I suggested ?

    If you take the amount at Dodds for having small Amounts of weed on them and remove them from the system where they are now mixing with hardened criminals and murderers, you don’t think that would be a start at least?

    Not criticising your view just asking your opinion on my alternative that’s all.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Tron

    I live in a village.

    I have always lived in a village.

    I have no gate, no gun, no dog.

    I will be paying 8% more land tax this year.

    I have been paying land tax since 1978.

    I expect to be paying land tax for another 20 or 30 years. My parents started paying land tax from way back in the 1930’s, my father’s mother and her siblings paid land tax at least from the beginning of the 20th century.

    I have NEVER used, bought, sold, or accepted as a gift any marijuana, cocaine or other illegal substance.

    Do I deserve protection also?

    Do I deserve to be safe in my home, and do I deserve to be safe when I walk the roads?

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ John A at 2:06 PM

    Seems as though I anticipated this question. The answer is at 1 :52 PM. The urge to fight has nothing to do with acquiring an education. We would need to flush out the causes of the aggressive behaviour and deal with them.

    But the behaviour is disruptive to the rest of the class. This needs to be pointed out to the combatants and get there agrreement to cease and desist ,otherwise…….

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  • Also if new laws and incarceration are the answer how come the 3 countries with the most restrictions on its people have the largest prison population? Clearly that approach does not serve as a deterrent as the below 3 lead the list when it comes to prison populations globally.

    USA
    RUSSIA
    CHINA

    As I said just asking a question not criticising anyone’s argument.

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  • @Vincent & John A

    The problem of the day is not rooted in any one problem. Education if defined broadly as the ability to leverage knowledge to create a sustainable way of life then of course it is an important determinant in fashioning an acceptable way of life.

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  • @ Vincent

    That is my point exactly when I say separating the 4 who want to fight from the class is pointless. Yes it may be a temporary answer for that class there and then but check the fallout on the society down the road.

    Then again we are a society of patch it as opposed to fix it so I guess this topic is no different sadly.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Thank you @Simple, I have learned much this day from your remarks…just as I often do when I read the exposées from @John the scholar: ie, when you guys are primed you make some of the most wild and unverified statements imaginable !

    Can you add any colour (any semblance of empirical notes or even anecdotal data) to substantiate the incredulously self serving comment: “The truth is every Bajan man who is a real-real man has a gun, has had a gun, or has aspired to hold a gun….Gun ownership is a “rite of passage” for Bajan men.”

    Anecdotal: In the neighborhood of my youth I believe only three of the men in that cluster owned a gun…one was a retired cop, another a business owner and sought a permit due to the cash he teansported at night to the bank drop bos deposit. That’s 30%. Am I to presume the others were not real-real men! SMH.

    Similarly, of that group I only recall one being a smoker… and he started smoking while overseas and then just as abruptly quit the habit after he found himself admonishing his sons not to smoke!

    Oh..and to that latter cohort of the crew his sons ran with – of the broadly 10 plus on and off – only four smoked… what rite of passage blarney are you spreading!

    I saw smoking as a rebellious thing …never ANY manhood thing…but on seconds thoughts I now realize I did aspire to hold and shoot my gun …. but I always owned that one and still do…my aim and effectiveness at the range with it has detoriated markedly though!

    I now realize you were mekking sport… I gone!

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  • @ SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife June 15, 2019 2:29 PM

    As you know, I deliberately use cynical phrases.

    Yes, damn it, yes: All peaceful taxpayers have a right to security.

    What I meant to say: If the tax burden rises even more, the work ethic will go completely towards zero. We can no longer afford to burn any more money for the big welfare state.

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  • @ David

    We are not discussing education only but using it as an example to show how a failed education system shares common failures with a failed court and penal system.

    Again don’t focus solely on what is stated but expand it to our bigger issues as a society. What we are saying is that all of the major issues of education, the court system and the penal system all suffer from the same failings.

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  • @John A

    Where we differ is that education must be the focus as William will agree. It has become irrelevant/redundant/obsolete to support the requirements of efficiently managing all the other sections of the society you mentioned and more. What is preventing the fundamental changes required to dismantle the status quo in education is cultural.

    Are you keeping up John A?

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  • @ John A

    The best explanation I have ever come across of the Bajan condition is one from over 2000 years ago – Plato’s Allegory. I had a tutor explaining it to me and I remember the light bulb moment to this day. Read his allegory of the cave.

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  • @ David.

    It is hard to keep up when one is ahead thus I shall slow down, but I digress my apologies.

    No one is questioning the failed education system but what some of us are doing is linking it to a failed judicial system and penal system by saying that all 3 issues have at their core similar causes for their failures.

    We must therefore address all 3 issues if we are to see any real progress as a society. If we don’t it’s the equivalent of taking the problem kids and isolating them from the rest, only to have them reunite down the road at Dodds the university for Crime!

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  • @ Hal

    I can only try but sometimes like you I find the wall too tall. Lol

    Thanks for the encouragement though.

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  • @John A

    And the point you are missing is that an irrelevant education system is at the root of all the other problems we are discussing.

    Carry on dear John.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Robert Lucas at 5:59 a.m.

    Arthur cried in court.

    Pile did not cry, in fact she asked others not to cry for her.

    Men are soft…unless they have a gun in hand.

    Women are truly tough.

    Some of the drug “lords” cry when they get up to Dodds too. The women do not cry.

    As far as I am concerned everybody should be granted bail, until the court is ready to pass sentence.

    But men soft.

    Crying is for men, and..

    Babies.

    NOBODY has ever seen me cry.

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  • @ John A

    It is a mind set. I call it cultural. But you may have the last word, as some of us say (an idiocy that sums up a lack of reason in our popular culture).

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  • David no one is saying not, the difference is you want solely to look at the education system when others are looking at the total picture, thus incorporating it into societies issues on the whole.

    I am not faulting your view just expanding it to show how the failure to upgrade our education system is not unique in our society to any one sector. We have also failed to update the upgrade of our court and penal system resulting in our citizens whether they be 16 or 60 having to pay the price.

    What is so difficult to understand about that or is the obvious link too difficult for us to accept?

    We have basically been unable to keep up with reform in any of the 3 systems is therefore the obvious conclusion one must accept. I am not blaming any one party either if that would make the reality more easy for some to accept.

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  • @ Hal

    Yes I sadly see your point and having tried to share with those willing to see the bigger picture, I shall now retire to the viewers gallery.

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  • People cry for a variety of reasons, including out of frustration. The slaves also cried at their powerlessness. Being governed by a group of self-conscious buffoons will make anyone cry, male or female

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Talking Loud… at 8:15 a.m.

    Black Barbadians have experienced cyclical famines throughout Barbados’ history. Most of us are still just one failed rainy season from famine. My own brother had a coffin build for him in 1941. He as a toddler was so near to death from hunger, that my parents were prepared to bury him

    The worst TransAtlantic hurricane EVER struck Barbados in 1780 and killed 10% of the population.

    We don’t need more famines, we don’t need more natural disasters, we don’t need more hangings, we don’t need more murders.

    Haven’t we all suffered enough already?

    A people who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it.

    We, my brother is still alive, but many of his generation died as infants. During that period 25% of Bajan infants did not make it to adulthood. We have suffered enough. We have suffered more that enough. Some of your great aunts and uncles you did not get to know, because they died as babies. My parents died in the 21st century. Do you think that they and others enjoyed seeing their children starve, some to death in the Barbados of the 1930’s and 40’s? Our foreparents are the survivors of the worst Atlantic hurricane ever.

    Why do so many people seem to feel that if only we suffered some more that we would become better people?

    What if suffering makes people worse, rather than better?

    Sometimes I feel like a voice crying in the wilderness

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  • @ John A

    The trick is to ignore this generation and communicate with the future. Most of the BU rumshop are incapable of change. That explains what @William calls the duopoly. The same mind set; same schools; same rum shops. The insularity of a small island. Look at the learning environment: no good bookshops; no good television, radio or newspapers; learning by osmosis.

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  • @ Hal

    Then we are Destin among those to be fighting a losing battle with regard to true change?

    I find people do not like to broaden discussions outside of their personal parameters on a topic either. That to me is sad as it limits us to discussing only the small jar we are in from the confines of its interior, as opposed to standing on the outside and looking at the said jar in its totality.

    If you have a problem child at school who on leaving School then has a problem at work, who then gets involved in criminal activity and then faces a problem court system, that then confines him to a problem penal system, how can one separate one issue by not seeing the obvious link?

    That of course being that all of the systems outlined above share the common denominator of being in sad need of genuine reform!

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  • William Skinner

    @ David

    During the 70s , there was a vicious public assault on the teaching profession and that deterred many people from entering the service. This assault continued throughout the eighties and expanded to the police force and the nursing profession . The assault was engineered by the BLPDLP and their followers.
    Hence all of the above professions suffered and this overflowed into the wider society. We are paying the price today because we have lost almost two generations to political skullduggery.
    The very pillars of the society were undermined: law education and health services. Political interference remains rampant in these three prime areas.
    Note the current attempt to force nurses into a twenty four hour set up; note the problems with appointments and political interference regarding police and note how the students are disrespecting teachers.
    The apologists of the BLPDLP really have no moral authority to lecture others on what the solutions are. They have engineered the socio economic catastrophe we now confront. The ones who are braying about what’s wrong are the same ones who make up the collective political class.
    Hal’s position on a failed state along with Pacha’s prediction of total collapse will gain considerable support unless we banish
    the decadent duopoly.
    The Welfare of our state is threatened by the same miscreants who are braying almost daily on BU defending the decadent duopoly.

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  • @William

    Will post a blog to expand on the point John A is struggling to understand in a couple of hours.

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  • @ William

    Finally a person willing to see the bigger picture!!!!

    Thank you sir as I was just about to retreat with the fear that all is lost to the myopic thinkers.

    Let us now look at the total meltdown by one example only.

    If the system worked don’t you think if a problem child left school and got into trouble, hence landing him before the court system, that the court system if it was working should have helped to correct it? In other words either be enlisting him say for 6 months of service at the defence force or some similar program ?

    My point is therefore if the system worked his failures at school could have been addressed by a program directed by the court system and seen through by the defence force. Instead we use the 1880 approach and ” lost he way in jail.”

    Now can we agree complete reform is needed?

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  • @ John A

    Spot on. Look at what passes for discussion on BU – politics, usually party politics, law, usual advocacy and personal abuse. That is the expanse of the Bajan intellectual universe, or at least the BU one.

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  • David posting something in a few hours which will undoubtedly be written by someone who supports your argument does nothing to expand the discussion, it simply helps to add support to your view. Because I and others disagree with your view does not mean an article with the same view as yours will change ours. Personal opinion can not be dictated by you or anyone else, it can only be formed and held by the person.

    On the other hand free and open discussion might help if all were willing to state THEIR opinion even if they did not sing in the choir of others.

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  • @ Hal

    Then let them that wish to partake on that road continue smartly if that is their choice. Just don’t attempt to then direct the thinking of others that may not agree with you, by attempting a cease and desist type approach. I am willing to hear anyone’s view and discuss them. I am not however willing to sing in any particular choir because others want it to happen.

    As I said before my mother didn’t raise no sheep! Lol

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  • @John A

    Spot on!

    lol

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  • @ Hal Austin June 15, 2019 3:35 PM
    No good book shops. You are quite right. If I want a book shop. I have to go to Worthing to browse in the second hand book shop. There are no great selections. The alternative is the RSPCA second hand book shop. A sad state of affairs, Just like the National Library building which Owen Arthur did not repair. I have him in mind for that one. People of my generation owe a great deal to that Library. Even the same Arthur. I didn’t have the money to buy the Chemistry books and would borrow the books from the Library and constantly re-new them. Arthur is an ingrate where that Library is concerned

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  • @ ,de pedantic Dribbler June 15, 2019 2:40 PM

    “I have learned much this day from your remarks…just as I often do when I read the exposées from @John the scholar: ie, when you guys are primed you make some of the most wild and unverified statements imaginable” !

    I nearly died with laughter at the above.

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  • @Tron

    Wily hopes your last paragraph comments are more of your hidden sarcasm, if not your BLP RED LONG JOHN’S are on full display.

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  • @ SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife June 15, 2019 3:09 PM

    A reasonable conclusion.

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  • Williams outline of where the breakdown started is correct and a statement supported by fact. He is right that the failure to respect law and authority is largely to be blamed on ALL governments passed and present. The disrespect has now expanded across ALL forms of correctional authorities, be it for the young or old. The governments of the past and present have failed to enact any true form of reform in ALL aspects of the system be it school, court or penal related, hence respect for the system is lost with many.

    To confirm this think how in the 70s the mere sight of a police van sent people scampering. Now we are at a stage where people don’t care and are even opening fire on a police vehicle if it enters their area.

    Do you now see why as a peope we can not discuss educational reform without discussion total reform of the court and penal system too?

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  • William Skinner

    @ @ Hal, John A

    I have argued that public discourse has been hijacked by the parasites defending the BLPDLP. The country has become a wasteland in this regard. All discourse is now slanted in ways only advantageous or in defence of the decadent duopoly. Unfortunately, BU has not been escaped this persistent malady.
    In order to remain uncontaminated by this malady, those with truly independent minds must ignore the fanatics and see them as mere inferior entertainment.
    Independent thinkers will defend the Welfare of the State.

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  • Wily,

    I think you’re smart enough to see that this is my way of criticizing the lethargic islanders without doing the dirty work of the opposition, including GP and the DLP.

    We both know that the locals will no longer generate growth in the next thousand years and everything will soon fall apart. Then the sandbox game called “governing” is over and we can redesign the island to our liking.

    I am the accelerant of change.

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  • @ William Skinner June 15, 2019 3:52 PM

    I used to teach. What you have stated above is correct. I quit teaching because some of the pupils shouldn’t really be in schools. One could have gotten into some serious trouble.

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  • @ robert Lucas

    I would bet you money if you check the list at Dodds you would probably find many of them were guests there at some time after they left you too.

    Glad you got out with all organs in tact though!

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  • @ William Skinner

    I shall try your approach of ignoring the trivia in future then. It’s just sometimes it’s so overwhelmingly slanted with party politics one can’t help but try to inject some semblance of logic into it.

    If that fails I will use Hals approach and say ” last word at you I gone” lol

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  • @John A

    All of us bring biases to the discussion be it political, ignorance etc.

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  • @ Hal Austin June 15, 2019 2:55 PM

    Plato’s Allegory. I have checked it out. Got your drift .

    @ John A.June 15, 2019 4:47 PM
    Thanks. A lot of people do not know the true state of class rooms at some schools.

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  • @ Robert

    I am curious when roughly would you say you saw the decay start from?

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  • Piece the Legend

    @ Artaxerxes

    My Aoologies for not attributing the very salient quote to you Artaxerxes

    I dont really read Iso TALIBAN too much because he is a liar.

    He grafts people’s materials and says it is his own so…..

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  • @Robert Lucas,

    After the recent biography of @Sleepy’ Smith came out Ii thought it would be a good idea to read it while on holiday n Barbados. But rather than buy a copy in the UK I decided I would go to the university book shop and get a copy.
    When I went up there they did not have it. I asked the young lady for it and she said she had not heard about it. Then she told me a whopper: if they published a book they should make sure we got it in stock. Ii could not believe it.
    @Robert Lucas, O know abut small bookshops. I owned one.
    By the way, I am glad you have read Plato’s allegory. Think of it when you think of the quality of public discussions in Barbados.

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  • Piece the Legend

    @ Pachamama

    You mentioned a blog I made at 7.55 but when I checked it was Commander Theophillus in that time slot not me

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  • @ Hal

    I try to adopt the outlook of ” the escaped prisoner” but find that attempts to return to the cave and enlighten my 2 remaining colleagues sometimes is futile, hence I try my best to stay free outside the cave in search of other escaped prisoners who share my thinking.

    As I said earlier sometimes the wall is just too overwhelming for some to see past.

    Sorry didn’t mean to basterdise the thinking of Plato in such a simplistic form but yes it definitely applies to this scenario !

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Doc Lucas, re your laughter …I realized afterwards that to be fair to @Simple she was playing de fool and sucked me in with her remarks re smoking-guns and the male rite of passage… in the parlance of the Mighty Sparrow she was engaging in some picong and I missed that and actually took her seriously !

    Now re this stuff you, @John A and Hall are debating…I am a bit confounded as it appears you are arguing with David at cross purposes.

    For example, how can there be a dispute that the brunt of the issues starts with how we are educated… and naturally it mestazies from there…are you not saying the same thing in different ways ! A few other remarks appear as conundrums to me…

    1…if The Blogmaster posts an essay “which will undoubtedly be written by someone who supports [his] argument” is THAT not the starting point for “…free and open discussion” as surely “…all [will willingly] state THEIR opinion even if they did not sing in the choir of others.”

    So my conundrum is how can bloggerJohn A conclude it would do “…nothing to expand the discussion, [but] it simply helps to add support to your view.”

    Isn’t almost every blog here started with a slanted opinion from which differing views often then take precedence!

    2…Like you, when I first returned to Bim after an extended stay away I too was taken aback that the public library downtown had seemingly stood still re progress of offering materials to Bajans…appalled actually. But that was before the wonders of the interent and tablets and downloading/buying books electronically.

    Thus to me – though valid to state that “…[t]he insularity of a small island [frustrates]…. no good bookshops; no good television, radio or newspapers; learning by osmosis”, it is also merely Hal’s idiosyncratic fall back critique re Bim….every wified or ‘Flowed’ Bajan has access to ANY book s/he wants or any media source and even those with dilapadated homes have a cable box offering exposure to Nat Geo, BBC and other critically acclaimed educational TV.

    The critique is a handy trope which speaks to nothing even as it highlights how biased and snarky commentary can shift our gaze from the real issue…which in this case would be what is the govt continuing to do to ensure all students can safely access the vast worldwide library of data and to further ensure that Bajans can not be deprived of that as a result of some external threat.

    That would be the type of question …not Hal’s contrivance!

    Hal noted some time ago a the book titled ‘The Death of Expertise’… and i think we run the risk often of debating to death “established knowledge” as if the world started just as we opened our mouths!

    So @John A, you make it sound facile that from the bench all magistrates and judges could enact social policy regarding sentencing offenders before them when you offer “[i]f the system worked his failures at school could have been addressed by a program directed by the court system and seen through by the defence force. Instead we use the 1880 approach and ” lost he way in jail.”

    I hear you and accept that need for a different model but the SYSTEM is the PEOPLE… we demand change of our politicians and elect those to meet our demands who in turn pass legislation to effect those demands…THAT’s what directs the justice system… so yes a new model in needed and who has the power to frame it… WE do!

    Same as always!

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    …well Actually, MOST books not ANY… as many are not electronicall availzble stilll.

    However surely the subject matter from another electronic source would be available.

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  • @de pedantic Dribbler

    Call me the eternal optimist but my concern is that a failed education should not sentence a child to a life of failure, which may or may not end up in incarceration.

    For example let’s say a young man did poorly at school and was a failure in the educational system thus ending up in front a judge. Don’t you think it would be nice if the judge had the option of sending him to 6 months or 12 months of service in a program at the defence force?

    Now as for the school system can we agree that failing at school should not Destin a child to be a failure in life? Some of the richest men in the world never finished school. Gates, Dell and too many more to mention here. Actually it is also a proven fact that most true entrepreneurs don’t do well in a structured system that may work for the majority. How many of those we have sentenced to failure here are just persons who don’t do well boxed into a system designed for mass education?

    If you look at where Butch Stewart started, many days when he should of been at school he was as he put it ” looking for a dollar”.

    It is my view therefore that even if the educational system is flawed the other systems should have fail safe options in it for these guys, hence getting them back on track. My point is that we instead have a chain reaction of failed systems with no fail safe options, hence ending in incarceration for many.

    Don’t get me wrong I am not saying jail is not the best place for some. What I am however asking is it the best place for all?

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  • @ John A,

    Stated “To confirm this think how in the 70s the mere sight of a police van sent people scampering. Now we are at a stage where people don’t care and are even opening fire on a police vehicle if it enters their area.”

    This reminded me of a story that I read in yesterday’s Barbados Today regarding two ignorant black Bajan females who deemed it necessary to cuss out two police officers whilst using the f-word. I guess these two hardback black females felt liberated in their utterances.

    Trust me there is nothing cool in shooting or cussing after the police. Anybody who does that is plain dumb.Why Oh why can we Bajans not learn from our Haitian brothers and sisters.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/strike-haiti-president-paralyses-capital-port-au-prince-190610194346770.html

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  • @ John A June 15, 2019 5:12 PM

    Late 70’s-early 80’s.

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  • @ de pedantic Dribbled

    Sorry I forgot to respond to a question you asked so will now do so with this example.

    If you give me a book titled ” how to lose weight by dieting” and I tell you let’s discuss it and you respond by telling me I will lend you another book entitled ” how to lose weight by eating less” should I not assume your sole means of losing weight revolves around my diet? Suppose I want to discuss “exercise and weight loss” should I not also explore that?

    That’s why I say if you are going to inject the same approach into a discussion using another author I see little benefit to me. It is if course only my opinion which I am entitled to not only adopt but stand by.

    Just food for thought…

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  • @robert

    Wow this cancer has been festering for a while unchecked. Didn’t think we were going back 40 years but it explains alot as those guys would be in their 50s today.

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  • @TLSN

    Yes and the frightening part is those 2 women may well have children watching on!

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  • William Skinner

    @ John
    What we fail to realize is that the current educational system worked quite well in the 60s. In other words, 90 % of the students leaving primary school, would have been competent enough to be: store clerks, postmen, messengers etc. In other words they had mastered what was at that time necessary: Reading Writing Arithmetic. That is where the boast of a 97% literacy rate came from.
    With the growth of private secondary, new comprehensive schools, and of course free education, the establishment of UWI etc , it was soon discovered that students were beginning to leave primary school but the basic skills were declining because of the emergence of the new society. Moving away from agriculture; new industrial factories and the rise of tourism.
    The visionless duopoly began to cash in on the kickbacks etc that come with development. In the meantime with television and other new distractions, no attention was paid to producing/ educating a new or different citizen.Very rapidly the political and professional classes found themselves with solid middle class status.
    Law enforcement shifted because the police stations and the police were no longer from the communities; teachers and civil servants were no longer living in the villages; nurses etc .
    The political class benefitted tremendously and in the twinkling of an eye St Phillip and St George became almost urban rather than rural communities.
    At no time did our political class had the vision to create and maintain what was really needed. Independence was not instilled outside of a flag national anthem . No sense of loyalty was placed as the centerpiece of national policy.
    It’s amazing that Barrow then asked: what mirror image do you have of yourselves. Ironically it was the mirror image he perhaps created.
    So that is why when Sandiford asked: How did we get back here , I responded we never left.
    Now these days when Mottley pretends that she was not a part of the problem I laugh. When Atherley says he did not know the bus stand was so filthy and steeped in confusion I had to roll on the floor.
    This current state was meticulously planned by the BLPDLP. They and their lackeys enjoyed every moment.
    Now we are getting crocodile tears. But everybody was not asleep. Many of us know what they did. We were watching, victimized, passed up for promotions, told to get a party ticket or starve.
    More to come.

    Duopoly Rules.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    🤔… I ponder @John A re your 6:18….

    In your analogy i suggest to you that the Blogmaster followed the initial figurative offer to read the book …”how to lose weight by dieting” by suggesting ANOTHER book generally…not another book specifically on eating habits!

    As I read the exchange it was YOU who assumed it was another book on eating habits! To be precise the exchange went like this:

    DAVID said: Will post a blog to EXPAND (my emphasis) on the point John A is struggling to understand in a couple of hours.; YOU said: David posting something in a few hours which will undoubtedly be written by someone who supports your argument does nothing to expand the discussion, it simply helps to add support to your view…

    Correct me if I’m wrong bro but he NEVER offered another ‘book of dieting’…just ANOTHER book! Why did you presume he only had dieting books.

    I’ll close this with this allegorical tale to make the point of how our own biases can cause us to do the same injustice of which we accuse others.

    There was this Black guy trying to sell some high priced products to another Black guy. The seller suggested that the buyer could opt for the non-name brand items and save some money…but whoooa, the buyer stopped him cold telling him he is a phD administrator who has a platinum American Express a/c and with over $50K cash on hand sooooo basically how dare the seller insinuate that he can’t afford the more expensive fancy brand items.

    The teaching moment is that the seller was simply trying to offer best value for the buyer as according to the write up he gave the same option to his white buyers as well ….but automatically the high profile Black dude ASSUMED he was being stereotyped as another cheap Black dude rather than a man of means…yet in turn he so badly stereotyped the seller and did not grasp that it was a genuine proposition.

    Did you fall into that trap also !

    I thought the offer was about expanding the subject matter on ‘losing weight’ not to read another book on food … just saying!

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  • We each have our view so let’s agree to disagree.

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  • @ William Skinner

    I think that is one of the clearest descriptions of our ” progress ” I have read.

    In the meantime gifted persons who may not of been able to fit into the Maths and English class have been lost through the cracks. That is why I will argue to the end that if other systems were in place to focus on their strengths, maybe hundreds if not thousands could have benefited over the years.

    Today maybe we would of had a host of entrepreneurs as opposed to persons who were taught to get a job and put you money on the bank.

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  • William Skinner

    @ John A
    Thanks for your compliment. Hal can tell you that voices were out there warning the people that we needed a new model. These voices were effectively silenced by the 1974 Public Order Act .

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @William, all well broadly stated at 6:48 but let’s parse through a bit.

    “What we fail to realize is that the current educational system worked quite well in the 60s. …90 % of the students leaving primary school, would have been competent enough to be: store clerks, postmen, messengers etc. In other words they had mastered what was at that time necessary: Reading Writing Arithmetic. That is where the boast of a 97% literacy rate came from.”

    I question that based on the clear knowledge (indirect of course) that during that period many children with learning disabilities, physical challenges or other forms of noticeable difference to their peers were kept hidden from the system and because (to your point) they could get a lil pick in agriculture or .some other manual labour related it was not an explosive issue.

    Thus, the student population you cite above was NOT all who were eligible to be counted.

    In short, as society developed (the free edu and more as you stated) and many ‘basic new’ opportunities were being provided (and mandated for minors) a truer reflection of the possible student population were now in schools and with that came the problems…

    At that juncture I completely agree with you that better processes were needed to address those with the learning or home problems. So a deeper dive in analysing the data is required than your short gloss over!

    I’ll also say this: Although it’s easy to blame successive govt’s re not advancing education in sciences (in particular) we can’t simply forget that chip maker Intel had a plant here and were able to find competent Bajans to employ (some of whom they took with them when they lost their tax holiday and relocated back home and to Central America]).

    Yes, things should be drastically better but it’s overly harsh to say that no vision “was paid to producing/ educating a new or different citizen”.

    There was much indeed, but as you stated the greedy desire for kickbacks etc blunted the long term growth first envisioned!

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  • @ William Skinner

    I was a young teenager at the time what exactly did that act do? Was it a case of using the act for censorship?

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  • Robert lucas June 15, 2019 5:59 AM

    RE… “Barbados could benefit from land reform. Barbados appears to be the only West Indian country where a minority holds most of the land.”

    Dr. Lucas are you aware that the largest Land Owner in Barbados is the Government.

    Why would you give away Land if people would not work it? When Government has leased Good Arable Land for Agricultural purposes some try and then they stop, while some continue. If you wanted to talk about Agriculture then talk about Agriculture, if you want to talk about Envy then talk about Envy but don’t Disguise Theft as land Reform.

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  • The Government believes that the rising rate of violent crime can be reversed by abolishing the common entrance exam and establishing middle schools. Will someone please explain how this works?

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  • @De pedantic dribbler

    My last comment on my statement to David regarding the education issue included the word “undoubtedly “.

    In other words probably would, could possibly include, may be an extension of the same topic.

    Hence the word undoubtedly in the contex used means that in the event of such being the case then I would find the additional information of no use in furthering my discussion.

    No need to reply ad this is my final word on this topic as to pursue it further adds little to the blog. If you want to however focus on the body of my comments where I speak about the need for fail safes to be put in place throughout all systems I would welcome hearing your views on that.

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  • William Skinner

    @ de pedantic dribbler

    I do agree that a more in-depth look would reveal other factors.

    @ John A

    The Act essentially was designed to silence the radicals on the island and appease white Barbadians, who were mortally afraid of the Black Power Movement.
    I was fortunate enough as a very young man to be exposed to their brilliant minds. Hal would also be aware of those times and personalities. I think with a bit of research you would probably come upon it or at least a more comprehensive comment/explanation.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @David at 12:36

    Why are you being so mealy mouthed to talk about “inappropriate relationships”?

    Most children in school in Barbados are younger than 16 years old.

    If a teacher is having sex with a child why don’t you call it EXACTLY what it is? It is RAPE. A lotto the men on here talking about locking up people, and hanging people.

    When are we going to start locking up and hanging the mostly MALE [but yes some female too] people who have sex with CHILDREN?

    An inappropriate relationship is when I a full grown adult sexes with the boss or with my neighbor’s spouse.

    Teachers who have sex with school children are RAPISTS.

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  • @ William Skinner

    Yes I will look it up and take a read. I guess in life people will always be challenged by those who think differently.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @WURA at 1:48 p.m.

    Exactly what do you mean by younger?

    Lol

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    The Alma Parris school was closed in the first half of 2018, and the 135 children who were being educated there were scattered to the wind.

    We have managed to get Ross University up and running.

    When will the Alma Paris school, a small school designed for children who have learning challenges be reopened.

    The school was functioning well. Why was it closed? Why was there no discussion with the students, their parents, their teachers including the principal, why was there no discussion with the taxpayers whose money was paying everybody, including the Minister of Education, the Chief Education Officer etc. before the school was closed.

    Why has this current government been so slow to reopen or replace the school?

    Why do we treat children who learn slowly or who learn differently as though they do not matter?

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Happy Father’s Day to all of the “boys of BU”

    I trust that you have nurtured your sons and that they in turn are now nurturing their sons.

    If fathers do their jobs, then there is so much less for the politicians, the police, the judges, and the prison officials to do.

    And virtually nothing for the BDF to do.

    Raising good men and women is likely the hardest and most thankless job in the world.

    If you do not do it. Nobody else will do it for you.

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  • Donks Gripe and Josh

    Mottley’s award winning apologist David BU yard fowl extraordinaire posits gun crime was trending upward for sometime we don’t disagree.

    However the steep climb this year with murder numbers beyond our imagination rips up the form book.

    Seemingly insurmountable gun violence is destroying the fabric of the country at alarming speed. In the past nearly 200 years the nation hasn’t seen a gruesome dilemma of this magnitude .

    The PM warned ministers including herself would be held responsible whatever takes place under their watch. Is that rule still in force because no minister herself included has been held accountable for the gun carnage.

    The country is awash with illegal firearms. Gangs and enforcers according to COP carry out executions at will. Law and order doesn’t exist for the armed thugs ordinary people are petrified .

    Not bout here, I got this, watch muh etc are boasts emptier than the bank accounts of the poor. The gunmen take out human targets when they decide and horror of horrors are not caught or captured.

    We are in an extreme bad place the country hasn’t gone before . Vulgar brown nosing by the blog master for GOB is a sick mockery of the reality of brazen gunmen killing people in broad daylight in malls in front of hundreds of witnesses.

    With the insane bail system many of the shooters are murder suspects out on bail. The government is responsible for the inalienable rights of safety and security of its citizens.

    Barbados is on the brink the murders and non stop shootings across the entire island makes redundant BERT, economic reform, investment , Re Re, White Oak etc.

    The socio economic foundations on which this once proud and safe country stood for generations is on the verge of total collapse.

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  • “Exactly what do you mean by younger?”

    There are older bats, present company excluded..lol

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  • There has been yet another fatal shooting in Barbados.

    the latest incident took place at Well Gap, Cave Hill, St Michael.

    Initial details indicate one man is dead.

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  • “The Democratic Labour Party owes several contractors more than $200,000 for services rendered during the 2018 general election campaign” (Barbados Today).

    Why don’t they just sell some useless party members to Saudi Arabia?

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  • Mariposa!

    “I see nothing wrong with hanging” – Minister of Industry and Commerce (Donville Inniss)

    Does this also apply if Donnville should be sentenced or would he rather be sold as a slave to Saudi Arabia?

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  • Now here’s an idea…why dont’t WE SELL ALL BLP THIEVES AND THEIR PARASITIC CONSULTANTS….AS SLAVES TO SAUDI ARABIA….only one boatload can get rid of 30 + THIEVES and their leeching walking dead hangerson out of the parliament and all their cartels and crime syndicates of CRIMINAL MINORITIES…out of the lives of black bajans permanently..

    And since all yall and DLP THIEVES ARE COMPANEROS…in CRIMES AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE…ya can all hug on the boat headed to the house of saud.

    Am sure Prince ASSASSIN and the house of Saud WILL BE HAPPY TO HAVE ALL U USELESS, UPPITY NEGROS…in Saudi Arabia.

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  • See the problem with you house NEGROS…from the time ya own BLACK PEOPLEelect you and furnish you with titles and status and ACCESS to their money and pension fund, ya turn from being broke ass negros…to UPPITY, TIEFING NEGROS..who needs to be pulled back down to EARTH..and PUT FIRMLY IN YOUR PLACE.

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  • Sir William Skinner

    Revels in the late 1960s and early to mid 1970s. He sees these as the halcyon days of radical political engagement in Barbados, of his lifetime maybe.

    Maybe he’s right but we seem to think that the period after the Haitian Revolution up to the Bussa Revolt was much more deeply and broadly rooted.

    Certainly, the radicals of the former period knew little about Bussa and the long revolutionary tradition captivating the whole world since 1688, showed little observance to the glorious standards set by General Bussa.

    The latter epoch was more informed by an ideological war than a continuation of the ideals of General Bussa.

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  • This African History needs to be taught in the now wretchedly, miseducated schools in Barbados..

    You will NEVER have a real government in Barbados unless you can find one that will allow the teachings to BLACK MAJORITY BAJANS…THEIR TRUE AFRICAN HISTORY..

    https://external.fbgi3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBFULQqKEqijipT&w=540&h=282&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.face2faceafrica.com%2Fwww%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F06%2Fh-queen.jpg.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQBc1B9WoUM3CtZj

    “Queen Liliʻuokalani, Last Black Queen of Hawaii

    The question of whether or not the original natives of Hawaii are truly of African descent has remained one of the biggest puzzles ever.

    Although their skin, hair and way of life prove that they were of African descent, scholars have one way or the other refused to dig into their history to provide clear evidence to their story while also sidelining the little findings by several historians and anthropology scholars”.

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  • On this Fathers day another child have lost their only Dad to gun violence in barbados
    The wave of gun violence that is rocking these shores calls for more than words smd knee jerk reactions but a concerted effort on govt part to deliver on those promises made during election campaign to make Barbados a safer place
    The rise in gun violence were mostly the male is targeted should give another level concern to the rise in single parent house hold as fathers become less in the rearing of their children
    On this Fathers day Barbadians have to come to a reality that the gun violence is also robbing children of their fathers

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  • William Skinner

    @ Pacha
    You are way off target! I was merely trying to put the Public Order Act in context as a response to a request from John A.
    Take it easy Pacha.

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  • another one bites the dust but we sit and talk and talk and talk whilst Bim implodes or rather explodes

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  • Where are the voices of those who call for the protection of childrens right
    What is happening to the child who has lost it’s parent to gun violence is an irreparable damage to the child
    Social and physiological damage has long lasting negative results to the child
    Has govt given thought our concern to such a problem
    Or are these children who are also victimised left alone to deal with all the negative fall out that has been instantaneously handed to them by the lost of the father to gun violence

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  • William Skinner

    @ Mariposa

    Although in recent times efforts have been made to make
    laws against children and domestic violence tougher, we remain very far away from getting them up to par.
    Once more the political gamesmanship comes into prominence. However, in cases such as when parents are murdered, once the authorities find that there are relatives, who could look after the children, they make the necessary arrangements.
    Most of these gun crimes / murders are taking young fathers but it appears that in most cases the mothers are left to fend for the children.
    I don’t think in theses instances that the state has been overly negligent. There are some issues that we should take the high road and avoid the scourge of partisanship.
    For instance an opposition leader should be intelligent enough , to express sympathy with the relatives of those murdered by guns and then call for a meeting with the PM to discuss the matter in a nonpartisan manner rather than first call for the Attorney General’s resignation.
    In other words frame the issue as National rather than political.

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  • William
    Agree that a more senstive thought by reaching out to these child victims of murdered parents at the hands of gun violence on both sides of the political divide should be heard

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Tron at 3:48

    From where i sit I have seen hundreds, maybe thousands of wills in my time, and not once have I ever seen a case where a DLP member or politician, or a BLP member or politician left a single cent to either the DLP or the BLP.

    Maybe neither the politicians nor the yard fowls love the BLP or the DLP, maybe they all take their assets with them when they die. Maybe they are all poor as ass.

    Maybe they are all useless.

    You too Tron.

    Or maybe especially you.

    If the DLP and the BLP need money in order to pay their debts, it is up to people like you who suck on the breasts of the parties, who suck the blood of the parties, and the people, it is up to people like you to pay off the debts.

    Damn fraud.

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  • FREEAGENT

    Condolences to the relatives of the deceased. This is not the time to play cheap politics. We cannot replace these lives by our blame game. We need to get rid of the drug lords who have no sense of remorse when these lives are lost through violence. These lords sit back in their big houses and plan the next murder. Get rid of the drug lords and the guns and we will live in peace.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/06/15/dlp-renews-call-for-ags-removal/

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  • https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/240294/peiza-ag-marshall

    Please Barbadians…..

    Stop the ROTTING !

    Fire DOTTIN !

    Law abidding citizens can’t take …..no more !

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  • Interesting statistic. Recorded homicide figures in the UK from January 6th – March was 100. The UK has a population of 63 million. Barbados has a population of 278, 000. From January – today, it has a recorded level of 29 homicides.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47476217

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  • Interesting statistic. Recorded homicide figures in the UK from January 6th – March was 100. The UK has a population of 63 million. Barbados has a population of 278, 000. From January – today, it has a recorded level of 29 homicides.
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    Since 63 million is 210 times 300,000 the population of Barbados.

    Barbados would be 6300 murders as compared to 100 murders if the Barbados population was the same as 63 million UK up to June 2019.

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  • Truth and Only the Truth

    The 28-year-old of Meadowville Heights, Prior Park, St James was recorded as the island’s 30th homicide for the year. Police say a number of people were liming and playing dominoes under a streetlight at Well Gap, Cave Hill, St Michael, when they heard a loud explosion. They ran, and on returning discovered Peters’ motionless body in a pool of blood. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/06/16/peters-family-reeling-from-tragic-death/

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Well educated “terrace boy”

    The gunmen int pickin’ and choosing no more.

    May be me next.

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  • ” The same day after Commissioner of Police Tyrone Griffith addressed a press conference in which he talked about revenge killings, the video surfaced on social media of the men boasting about attacking their opponents anytime or place, even during funeral services or school graduations.”

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/240352/cops-checking-gun-talk-video

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  • @ Baje (6.19)

    You are right and you are wrong. How many of those deaths have been in London? What is the population of London? Who are the ethnic, religious and social and educational statii of the victims and perpetrators? Their gender?
    Until we have a proper sociological breakdown of the victims and offenders we will not get anywhere.

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  • When is officer Gittens going to face the court for the alleged killing of his neighbour? When is the woman who alleged she was kidnapped and taken to an ATM going to be charged with wasting police time, or the man charged? When is the man who assaulted Ninja man going to be arrested?

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