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The blogmaster read the following article over night while perusing the financial newsfeed.

Patriotic Barbadians that understand these matters are obviously concerned negotiations have stalled with external creditors. We have to go with communications being dropped in the public space.

Commonsense support that it is not unusual creditors will push back against having to take a haircut. Barbadians wish the White Oak negotiating team well, as a country we have a lot riding on the best outcome.

Both sides agree the country of 300,000 people needs to cut debt levels. Yet talks have soured in recent weeks over how much of the burden should be borne by creditors in the form of deep haircuts or other terms. For its part, the government said it isn’t willing to negotiate targets established when it took a bailout from the International Monetary Fund last year – extracted from the Bloomberg report

Both sides seem to agree a restructure of the debt is necessary given the high debt burden and current state of the economy. What is at dispute is the amount creditors are being asked to leave on the table. Creditors have to protect their interest and the government having opted to SD will have to make it count given the damage to country’s credit rating and how it will be perceived by lenders.

However the foreign creditors will know that they have an overlapping interest with the government of Barbados. If the economy that is precariously perched on the economic cliff continues were to tank all that will be left is Hobson’s choice.

Time to close the deal!


Barbados Clashes With Creditors in Talks to Cut Greece-Like Debt

 

Barbados’ prime minister is butting heads with creditors over how to cut one of the world’s largest sovereign debt loads, creating a sticking point in the year-long negotiations to restructure the Caribbean nation’s defaulted dollar bonds.

Talks with foreign creditors have dragged on since last June, when Prime Minister Mia Mottley said she would restructure the island’s “unsustainably high” debt burden. While both sides said they are open to continued negotiation, they appear far from consensus.

A committee of creditors, who hold 55% of outstanding dollar debt, said Wednesday that they plan to unanimously reject a government proposal to exchange defaulted bonds for new debt unless the two sides negotiate together.

“The committee strongly believes that the launch of a unilateral exchange offer by the government of Barbados without the support of the committee will be highly detrimental to the country’s economic stability,” they said in a statement.

Both sides agree the country of 300,000 people needs to cut debt levels. Yet talks have soured in recent weeks over how much of the burden should be borne by creditors in the form of deep haircuts or other terms. For its part, the government said it isn’t willing to negotiate targets established when it took a bailout from the International Monetary Fund last year.

No Compromise

At that time, the government estimated debt had ballooned to about 175% of gross domestic product, meaning it owed around $9 billion. That would have made it one of the world’s most-indebted countries, trailing only a handful of others, including Greece, according to IMF figures. Mottley said she “will not compromise” on the goal of bringing that ratio down to 60% by 2033.

“We leave it to creditors to decide whether this is achieved through a par deal with long tenors and low interest rates, or face value haircuts with shorter tenors and higher interest rates. But the targets must be met in full,” she said in a written response to questions.

Mottley inherited a troubled $5 billion economy when she took office last May. The island known for its white sand beaches had been struggling for years amid competition from less-pricey Caribbean tourism destinations, crumbling infrastructure, and a currency that’s pegged to the U.S. dollar. She quickly struck a $290 million deal with the IMF and restructured about $6 billion in local currency debt.

The government owes around $700 million in dollar bonds, plus bank loans and other foreign debts, according to a spreadsheet posted to a website for creditors in January. Bonds maturing in 2035 have rarely traded in recent months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

The creditors committee said it put forth an offer two weeks ago “based on terms that aim to support the government’s debt and reform objectives while creating restructured instruments with broad market acceptance.” The committee said it is made up of long-term investors, regional central banks, individual bondholders and financial institutions and represented by advisers Newstate Partners and Washington-based law firm Arnold & Porter Kaye Scholer LLP.

The creditors contend that their offer would have allowed the government to reach its debt target a year later than it wants, according to people familiar with the committee’s negotiations. The committee’s position is that the government’s estimates fail to take into account certain revenue variables and that it is trying force severe restructuring terms on creditors to meet its debt targets, said the people, who were not authorized to discuss the negotiations.

White Oak Advisory, which is representing the government in negotiations, said the creditors’ offer “fails to meet IMF test for debt sustainability, and by quite some margin,” according to an email statement. “It is disappointing that Barbados continues to be faced with this kind of position after almost a year of negotiations.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-30/barbados-clashes-with-creditors-in-talks-to-cut-greece-like-debt


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374 responses to “White Oak and External Creditors: Flirting with Hobson’s Choice”


  1. @Pacha

    It is not only who determines the rate, it is how the market responds to the rating that will also impact. Think Sagicor for example.


  2. You might recall when Sinckler stated in parliament that financial companies in Barbados were dumping excess government securities which forced the government to respond. This is related to local debt.

  3. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Hal at 1:07 PM

    You are so right. And we can name a score of other international big names. We can also list the large sums of money in fines rating agencies had to pay out. Our skepticism is based on facts.


  4. NO

    We are living in a post 2008-9 collapse which spawned austerity everywhere.

    The proximate causal reason for which is generally accepted to be the actions of the leading raters of financial instruments working with their buddies in the markets – the leading banks, brokers, institutional investors, shadow banks, etc.

    Do you not accept that there is no hard separation between rating agencies and what you called the market. We even have a financial function where we have ‘market makers’ who basically rate financial products and then sell them into the very markets. No hard separation here!

    We’re afraid that there has been no determination to analyze the fundamental failings of financial markets and institutions. Believe it or not, our financial systems are, today, in far worst condition than 2008-9. Where is the analysis of that?

    What analysis has been done here? We certainly have not heard you complaining about rounds of quantitative easing, and other free moneys given the same banks which crashed the system. Are these the markets you referred to?

    We know enough about to subject to suggest that no single metric is totally relied upon in the discover of price. These days it is more a function of algos (AI) than the single metric.

    No, we do not have access to a list of the current holders of Barbados’ sovereign debt. Have not watched the patterns of holdings for over a decade.

    NO, you seem to be assuming that nothing fundamentally is wrong with our financial system and that a higher level of analysis could avoid structurally-based problems. On this we would want to depart from you.

    In any events raters might not be as pure a breed as you seem to presume – for accounting firms as writers of a business proposal could also be deemed as a rater of sorts.

    Lastly, we are sorry that you might have suffered a personal financial lost because of the actions of this and the previous government.


  5. @ Miller May 31, 2019 10:31 AM
    @ Northern

    The Prime Minister herself speaks of austerity until 2025.

    So we can expect many more libertarian miracles to liquidate the rotten welfare state.

    If I were the manager of a foreign fund holding papers from Barbados, I would puke too. Given the local arrogance of the population and its middle class.

    On the other hand, the sweet cream in the form of high interest rates has long since been skimmed off. In view of the desolate situation, investors must be happy if they get their base capital back at all. That would be far better than the average we have seen in Argentina and Greece.


  6. NO

    Sorry

    That last response was meant for Vincent Codrington.

    Apologies!


  7. All i would say that a small population paying of billions of govt debt and living on low income is akin to worse than shitting bricks
    People ought to start thinking and planning for a resolution towards their betterment cause govt does not have an answer


  8. @ Tron

    Plse explain the economics of cutting off the automatic stabiliser, not only will the income of consumers be reduced, but they will become more cautious and save more. Is this not true? Does fiscal contraction make a recession worse?
    If we have six more years of this stagnation – leading to falling taxation and a rising deficit – won’t government austerity make the situation worse? And, given that government has defaulted on its foreign debt, does that not rule out gilt sales, off loading the debt, to big financial institutions and shadow banks?
    Apart from the conventional macroeconomic remedies, won’t such a policy pose a threat to the social order? Is there a case for fiscal stimulus? Do you believe the prime minister is being badly advised?


  9. David

    try not to treat them like two separate processes. They are not. These things are decided ahead of time, coordinated most times.

    There’s not the clinical separation many assume.


  10. A country solely dependable on borrowing to build a country without having a formula to empower its people will Fail
    Barbados has now been downgraded as a failed state


  11. Wont be long before many social services be cut to bare minimum
    Hence the recent cries of the lady outside parliament
    Increased in gang activity peddling drugs for money
    And govt cannot pay employees
    Shortages of food supply and further increases on products to stave off the decrease in consumer spending

  12. Barbados 2019 Avatar

    Venezuela, now Cuba since December 2018, when Barbados?

    Cuban woman, says that every morning when she wakes up she only thinks one thing: “What do I give my son to eat today?”

    “It’s a very desperate situation, one is very helpless because you do not even find things with money,” he told BBC Mundo by telephone from Havana .

    Since the end of 2018, the island, which has suffered successive economic crises throughout the history of the Revolution, faces a generalized lack of food and hygiene products (such as soap and toothpaste) that have worsened in recent months.

    https://es-us.noticias.yahoo.com/crisis-cuba-gente-mata-comprar-200830963.html


  13. @Pacha

    There are individual behavioral factors and market dynamics that the policymakers with the best will in the world cannot orchestrate. This is the point. We can discuss it but until we stabilize and remediate, the next step will not follow. It will be interesting documenting this journey.


  14. There are individual behavioral factors and market dynamics that the policymakers with the best will in the world cannot orchestrate. This is the point. We can discuss it but until we stabilize and remediate, the next step will not follow. It will be interesting documenting this journey.(Quote)

    What is this in plain, simple English?

  15. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    There is an old saying: A monkey never realizes how small his ass is until he swallows a plumb seed.

  16. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ Dr Lucas

    You said and I quote

    “…Since Barbados has very few resources, greater use should be made of its people; it is the only way for the island to dig itself out of the current impasse.

    People have to be selected on merit not on connections…”

    No truer words have been or will be spoken here on Barbados Underground on this subject.

    AAnd de ole man will add to that specific thread by saying this.

    Mugabe Mottley is reported to be brilliant but the people of Barbados are starting to see how foolish she is.

    And let me explain.

    You ever played scrabble?

    There is another game like it called Rummykub which is played using numbers.

    I will not explain either game but what I will explain is the “Rack” that each player is given and how WHILE SCRABBLE ONLY ALLOWS FOR ONE SET OF TILES, Rummikub permits simultaneous levels to operate at the same time

    https://imgur.com/OeWUo6N

    De ole man always got suggestions.

    And here is a Suggested Alternative for the Idiot Troupe that Mugabe has assembled around her.

    The concept is very simple euphemism for UNREACHABLE for the Government of Barbados.

    The government will effect a dual tier of Consulting firms.

    Both tiers operate under a series of binding contractual agreements.

    Both engage specific consulting firms to assist in the diversification of the Barbados Economy.

    But whereas one will get US $27 million and give kickbacks the other will operate under a Performance Based Compensation structure.

    De ole man has copied this description of “Performance-Based Compensation” for the Sheeple and the people.

    “PBC programs can be used at just about any type of business, from retail stores to governments, and has proven successful in numerous environments.

    The basic idea behind performance-based compensation is that consultants working for a government will be paid based on their actual performance and the realization of goals.”

    However this would suggest a system based on Meritocracy and, in the Mugabe Kakistocracy, it is a concept WHICH WILL NEVER BE EMPLOYED

  17. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @Pacha
    “……..” means it was another blogger’s words, in the case you highlighted, VC’s. Mine was a response to his earlier comments…”….”

    I take theories with a measure of salt. They can prove anything.

    Fortunately, I heeded my own advice and got caught with nothing. I had the opportunity to converse with a number of people over the years. My conclusion, is patriotism has blurred many a rational thinker. Hence when I related my concerns, the accusation leveled, I was “unpatriotic” or “my mind had been corrupted by living away for too long”.

    If you speak out in Barbados, you are quickly tarred and feathered, because the prevailing wind is to lay low. You can see the more recent blogtag of “I am a Barbadian and I live here”. Remember, several of the D supporters used to tell Marla D to “gah back where she came from”. It is a natural defensive response when all isn’t good and one does not wish to hear about it. Happens everywhere.

    Like you I have no insight into the foreign debt composition. What I can say, is “if the Cdn banks are involved” there have been several monumental personnel shifts within the upper echelons in recent times. Some have broken the timeless tradition of promoting from within. It is not ‘business as usual’.

  18. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here for Dr. Lucas thank you

  19. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @Pacha
    missed your retraction

  20. Freedom Crier Avatar

    PART 3 (SEE PART 1 & 2 PREVIOUSLY)

    FINDING THE SOLUTION

    Governments in the Caribbean are not Practicing Free Market Enterprise (Capitalism) including Barbados

    Decisions are made as if Government is a Charity, the Business of Government is to provide a framework to maximize the Freedom of People and to ensure NO FRAUD and to have a Security and Protection of the People.

    What we have in the Caribbean not counting Cuba are Socialist Governments and we Prosper and fail to the Degree that Socialism is Implemented.

    The more we Implement Socialism the Worse off the people become.

    What we see passing for Capitalism in the Caribbean is Not Free Market Enterprise.

    How is Free Enterprise “Capitalism” better than Socialism?

    Contrary to widely held beliefs, capitalism is not a system which exploits a large portion of society for the sake of a small minority of wealthy capitalists. Ironically, it is actually socialism that causes the systematic exploitation of labor. Since the socialist state holds a universal monopoly on labor and production, no economic incentive exists for the socialist state to provide anything more than minimum physical subsistence for the workers except to perhaps prevent riots or revolutions. Exploitation is inherent to the nature of socialism because individuals cannot live for their own sake, rather, they exist merely as means to whatever ends the socialist rulers—the self-proclaimed spokesman of “society,” may have in mind.”

    The essential nature of Free Enterprise Capitalism is social harmony through the pursuit of self-interest. Under Capitalism, the individual’s pursuit of his own economic self-interest simultaneously benefits the economic self-interests of all others. In allowing each individual to act unhampered by government regulations, Capitalism causes wealth to be created in the most efficient manner possible which ultimately raises the standard of living, increases the economic opportunities, and makes available an ever growing supply of products for everyone.

    The free-market operates in such a way so that as one man creates more wealth for himself, he simultaneously creates more wealth and opportunities for everyone else, which means that as the rich become richer, the poor become richer. It must be understood that Capitalism serves the economic self-interests of all, including the Non-Capitalists. “And even if we were all magically made equal in wealth tonight, we’d be unequal in the morning because some of us would spend it and some of us would save it”. Lawrence Reed.

    http://www.rdcopperr.us/wp-content/uploads/images/frederic-bastiat-quote-if-philanthropy-is-not-voluntary-it-quotes-about-philanthropy.jpg

    https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840×2160/4776712-Fr-d-ric-Bastiat-Quote-The-state-is-that-great-fiction-by-which.jpg

  21. Freedom Crier Avatar

    Part 4
    What is a Capitalist?

    From a purely economic point of view, a capitalist is a person who buys in order to sell for profit. However, the productive role that capitalists and businessman serve cannot be overstated.

    Far from being exploiters, the true function of capitalists and businessmen “… is to raise the productivity, and thus the real wages, of manual labor by means of creating, coordinating, and improving the efficiency of the division of labor.”

    By continuously improving the efficiency of labor, Capitalists and businessmen are responsible for creating employment which serve to raise the standard of living of everyone. Furthermore, by funding research and capital investments, corporations and capitalists make possible all of the modern day conveniences, from laser surgery to orchestra halls that most people take for granted every day. In fact, since capitalists make available so much life-saving and labor-saving technology to so many people, they should be regarded as some of mankind’s greatest benefactors.

    A few capitalists and businessmen have done more to help mankind live a more enjoyable life in a more fundamental sense, a capitalist is anyone (from a janitor to a millionaire) who lives solely by his own effort and who respects the rights of others. The best symbol of a capitalist is the trader. That is, the man or woman who only deals with other people on a voluntary basis. A capitalist is neither an “exploiter” nor necessarily a “greedy” individual.

    Bringing this reality of full Blown Socialism close to home are our neighbors in Venezuela and the ills they are suffering with corruption on every level by their elected officials. The Government controls the largest known oil reserves in the world, yet the Country is Broke. They also control through compulsory means the food distribution system, yet there is little food and people scavenge to survive. There is diminutive water and energy shortages, not even to speak about basic commodities and medical supplies and needed medications! Yet they blame America for all their tribulations, it is never their fault! Want to guess who the richest person in Venezuela is! None other than Hugo Chavez’s daughter.

    Any country on earth is capable of creating the like, watch the trend or patterns evolving you only need to follow the path to Venezuela. Attack property rights and Trade, Pillage the Rich, abolish the Price System, Jail Dissenters, crush the opposition, and dismantle the System of National Liberty. This is Socialism; it is a path to Hell on Earth. How many steps are we in Barbados away from this Peril? We sure are on a downward slope.

    What is the Solution?

    Free Enterprise (Capitalism) leads to Prosperity and Freedom while Socialism leads to Poverty and Bondage! Capitalism doesn’t come with a warranty or “money back” guarantee. Yet, it encourages individuality, creativity, opportunity, risk taking, ambition, pride, dignity, and a sense of accomplishment, promotion, and provision. As much as Socialist professes their disdain for capitalism, they’ve yet to offer a better system. The reason is simple; it doesn’t exist.

    https://nicomaque.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/35f04-539569_10150927547660778_1014556084_n.jpg?w=640&h=400

  22. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @ac
    maybe I missed it, when and how should Barbadians expect a return on the $4B investment in the social economy?
    Or are you saying it led to failure?
    Ever get a copy of that letter from your hero CH to FJS?

  23. Barbados 2019 Avatar

    If you speak out in Barbados, you are quickly tarred and feathered, because the prevailing wind is to lay low. You can see the more recent blogtag of “I am a Barbadian and I live here”. Remember, several of the D supporters used to tell Marla D to “gah back where she came from”. It is a natural defensive response when all isn’t good and one does not wish to hear about it.
    Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    IT IS ALSO A DANGEROUS SYMPTOM ON BARBADOS UNDERGROUND BLOG.

    TO HAVE YOUR OWN OPINIONS AND NOT FOLLOW THE PATRIOTIC NONSENSE IS TO BE ATTACKED AND PROVOKED.

    PART OF THE CRABS IN THE BARREL MENTALITY PREVAILING ON THE ISLAND.


  24. @ Mr. Vincent Codrington

    You said and I quote

    “…Was debt default the only choice?…”

    A1. No it was not but Mugabe is illiterate and is following the advice of International Finance Idiots

    You continue to ask

    “…Was it necessary in the first place?”

    A2. No it was not necessary. The direction was that there were too many backdeals with the existing sovereign debt payments which needed to be staved to stop the haemoraging.

    How could such be stopped yet not compromised. The second part of the modality was not provided but the issue about international debt is that late payments IS NOT A DEFAULT but what was necessary AND WHAT IS BEING DONE NOW posthumously is negotiation IS A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT THAT did not have to obtain if the Dufus had listened.

    She could have asked you privately what needed to be done or she could have asked Cleviston Haynes what strategies she could have employed.

    But she could not ask Cleviston because she was going to be forcing the Central Prank to accept the MyMoney Ponzi scam in 2 months time and AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE ever at today the inner workings of the MyMoney scam are NOT KNOWN TO THE CENTRAL PRANK because that would be inconsistent with the purpose of the money laundering exercise and Clevi IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT

    And then you ask

    “…On what analysis was this decision based?…”

    A3. The decision was made on pure idiocy and lack of knowledge of the creditor processes.

    The issue was to create “clean payments” which were not compromised by the DLP kickback schemes.

    What was to be done was to renegotiate agreements with the creditors which gave more time for the GoB

    Some idiot said that for them to get $$ from the IMF and the IDB and the CDB they had to make it seem like an emergency WHICH IN THAT IDIOT’s LIMITED UNDERSTANDING meant DEFAULT!!

    But the money was needed to run the government for several months so, Mia, not knowing how to do WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, chose this idiocy.

    Mugabe in her twisted way, means well, or let me rephrase that.

    For the twisted Mugabe to get her way, certain things have to be done well, i.e. properly.

    She is now learning that she has surrounded herself by waste foops that are out of their debt.

    But the thing is that she is balancing the processes of rescinding their appointments with internal strife in her party.

    Make no bones about this MUGABE GOING GET RID OF DEM EFFERS as soon as she gets the creditor issues under control and the economy firing properly.

    But she hands is tied and in de mouf of the proverbial lions

    Dat is why de ole man proposing Performance Based Compensation as one of the tried and tested mechanisms to make this diversification happen IN A WAY THAT IS AFFORDABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF BARBADOS unlike the US$27 million trickery that White Hoares is working under

    https://imgur.com/a/tZzodem


  25. @ The Honouable Blogmaster

    It appears like your bloggers are finally realizing your real allegiances

    Nonetheless, I would be grateful if you could retrieve and item that is in suspense which I wrote to Mr. Vincent Codrington

  26. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here for Mr. Vincent Codrington

  27. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    Heard today on Brasstacks that going to White Oaks saved 3500 jobs. This is according to the Minister of Labour.


  28. Sir William

    Certainly, you know how to separate chaft from wheat. Political propaganda from verifiable fact.

  29. Talking Loud saying Nothing Avatar
    Talking Loud saying Nothing

    For a small nation which is known only for tourism it seems bizarre that so many organisations have spoon fed the governments of Barbados over a number of decades with numerous loans. Why would these hard nosed speculators be prepared to play Russian roulette with theirs and other people’s monies?

    These so called speculators have done their homework and have concluded that Barbados is sitting on a vast sum of oil and gas reserves that just needs to be tapped.

    It would not surprise me if this government and the previous one may have been misinformed by “outside experts” of the true size of the nation’s potential oil reserves.

    How will the government repay these loans when the country is broke and heavily indebted? Perhaps it can sell off its airport, tracks of land and the major sea port in Bridgetown. But this will only pay off a fraction of the nation’s debt.

    The creditors may demand from our government that they sell off their offshore concerns to repay their debts.

    Barbados lacks the human capital and the will to exploit her oil reserves.

    Irrespective of what decisions are made the country’s citizens will be the big losers. Their remains little left on the island for the rank and file Bajan unless they are prepared to live a life of perpetual servitude. Fifty two years after having gained our independence we appear to be in a worse position with zero options.

    The southern European country, Portugal, has just become the first country in Europe to sign an agreement with the Chinese government in “Panda Bonds”. Portugal like Barbados is a heavily indebted country however it has a far brighter future and its economy is growing. Austria, Poland, Hungary and a province in Canada are said to be close to signing a similar agreement with the government of China.


  30. @ the Honourable Blogmaster

    You asked the following questions at 12.11 pm

    “…Q1. What space did the new government have to design a growth program?…”

    It had the same space as a matter of fact it had significantly more space BEFORE DEFAULTING IN THE WAY THAT IT DI as opposed to the space that it has now.

    WHICH IS NONE!! ZILCH!!! MINUS ZERO (which is an impossibility i am told)

    Then you continue

    “…Q2. Would creditors have facilitated debt restructure talks on a bilateral basis?…”

    I dont understand what this question means i.e. if you are genuinely asking this non-question or just asking to prolong the blog!

    Creditors do this debt restructuring ALL THE TIME

    “…Congo Nears Restructuring of Oil Loans, Unlocking IMF Cash

    May 15, 2019, 6:34 AM UTC Updated on May 15, 2019, 12:32 PM UTC

    The Republic of Congo and commodities-trading house Trafigura Group agreed to reorganize several hundred millions of dollars in oil-for-cash loans that the African nation struggled with after crude prices fell, according to people familiar with the talks.

    The restructuring, which also involves several banks that supported the Trafigura deal, is key for Congo as it will help to unlock financial help from the International Monetary Fund. Congo owes creditors more than $9 billion and earlier this month agreed to restructure debt owed to China…”

    Mia got the wrong advice FULL EFFING STOP.

    SHE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO DEFAULT!! and I would fire the people who told her to do that

    BUT I would also bet that it was a combination of WHITE HOARES and two of her cuntsultants BECAUSE THEY BENEFIT FROM THE 10 year cycle that the Government of Barbados now finds itself saddled with!!

    I do hope that I have answered your questions

  31. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    O Piece, the Legend

    Thanks very much for attempting to connect with the issues I raised. Your responses, as usual, are legendary. Knowing me, I will not elaborate.

  32. Barbados 2019 Avatar

    Heard today on Brasstacks that going to White Oaks saved 3500 jobs. This is according to the Minister of Labour.
    Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    MORE SPIN AND PATRIOTISM APPEALING.

    HOWEVER NO FACTS TO PROVE THIS DRIVEL OF SAVING 3500 JOBS BY WHITE OAKS WHO ARE FACTUALLY RECEIVING US$1 MILLION PER YEAR AND A FINAL SETTLEMENT PAYMENT OF AN ADDITIONAL US$27 MILLION TO THIS UK 2 MAN SHYSTERS.

    THAT IS JORDAN SUCKING OFF THE TAXPAYERS NIPPLES, A PAID STOOL PIGEON PUNCHING ABOVE HIS WEIGHT.


  33. Did Barbados have the concentration of loans in a sector or with a lender with the same scale to influence an IMF deal?


  34. Heard today on Brasstacks that going to White Oaks saved 3500 jobs. This is according to the Minister of Labour.

    the only surprise is the number of jobs White Oaks is purported to have saved.

    i am surprised he didnt contend it was 5k


  35. Trump must be watching barbados like hawk putting all stops in place in case the outflow of economic negativsim leads to immigrants seeking refuge
    No sense in burying heads in the sand it is going to get real ugly


  36. Isn’t this circular…

    “Look around and see how other countries that have defaulted are doing. You will always find a lender, it is the price you are willing to pay. ”

    You default because you cannot pay your debt. Then you look for a lender of last resort with exorbitant rates. When citizen Joe Blow borrows from a loanshark, he know the consequences of not being able to repay…. Would be interesting to see how this would work at a state level.


  37. Come on folk!!!
    The difference is one year. We can negotiate this down to six months and both Barbados and the creditor win.
    IMF wouldn’t withdraw their support at this time, White Oaks get to go home and lets get on with Barbados business.


  38. After negotiations are completed Government can get creative and over time still reach their 2033 target.


  39. @ the Honourable Blogmaster

    You asked “…Did Barbados have the concentration of loans in a sector or with a lender with the same scale to influence an IMF deal?…”

    You and many here seem to misinterpret the “currency” that Bardados has had and does have with the IMF.

    Very few governments are able to get this type of turnaround with the IMF in the time that the GoB did.

    Nor do you seem to appreciate “the relative ease” for the GoB to (by)pass the Debt Sustainability Analysis requirement in the time that it did.

    The problem with this matter is not so much the restructuring

    IT IS THE PERCEPTION OF THE CREDITORS THAT THE GoB specifically Mugabe has the resident skills to pay back the loans!

    This defaulting WHEN THERE WAS NO NEED TO DEFAULT shows her to be a finaicial novice WHO IS BEING ADVISED BY FINANCIAL NOVICES AS WELL.

    The restructuring of local bonds confirms in their eyes Mia’s lack of confidence in her own short and medium term economic rebuilding plans.

    In short IF YOU HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOUR LOCAL RESTRUCTURING PLANS then it follows that there HAS TO BE even less possibility of these plans working for us to agree to your proposals.

    AND THIS IS WHY MIA IF EFFING UP so badly.

    Couple that with the fact that SHE HAS BEEN SO QUICK TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION TO BRING HOME WHIZ KIDS yet the three effers that she brought home HAVE DELIVERED SHYTE!!!

    THIS IS NOT A HARD THING TO UNDERSTAND Honourable Blogmaster.

    Let de ole man brek it down for you in terms that you can understand RATHER 2/3rds of you can understand.

    I am selling hotdogs (corresponds to local bonds)

    I say that they are the best hotdogs on the block

    I am selling them for $5

    In my advertisement i say that my hotdogs are good because they contain “Ketchup, mustard, relish: and 12 other specail hot dog toppings”

    At a fair that i am holding I suddenly drop all the contents to 3 instead of 15 (refer to the Barbados’ debt restructuring programme and $4.3 billion HAIRCUTS of treasury bills) BUT MY HOTDOGS ARE STILL $5.

    Furthermore everyone who enters the door of my fair HAVE TO BUY HOTDOGS.

    I tell the patrons at my fair that the reason that the contents for the hotdogs are less IS BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF PATRONS FOR MY FAIR were drastically reduced and I had to cut costs.

    However the patrons notice that I have purchased 5 new hotdog carts (the 5% Mugabe paid to her MPs) and I have hired a few hotdog cart attendees a five times the normal fee (the US$27 million dollars that White Hoares getting paid)

    Then I want to carry the same attendants to a fair that I was engaged to perform at (the overseas creditors) and see them the same SHY$E!!

    You can understand what this finance thing means now right?

    I glad to have this opportunity to help the people and the SHEEPLE (by the way I notice dat people using sheeple and Mugabe heah pun BU with increasing frequency, why dat?)


  40. The0gazerts we are not supposed to discuss anything post the foreign creditors settlement. I tried today twice to have us discuss the ” post debt settlement reality” and was told by the blog master that is all speculation.

    Wasn’t sure if he meant the settlement was speculation or if there would be a Barbadian economy after it that was the speculation. I guess we are to only discuss today s issue as to look forward would require too much discussion. Lol


  41. Hal

    Nobody has disputed the existence of ” journalistic ethics as practised in the UK and most other Anglo-Saxon countries”. Neither did anyone mentioned the payment of bribes. The fact remains that people have their contacts and use them to influence public opinion and that was David’s point from what I gathered. Your reference to bribes and gifts etc is an exercise in trying to save face, which is characteristic of you. I repeat I have seen it happened in a “BIG-MINDED” country. You may have the last say.


  42. The0gazerts what I was getting at before I was told it should not be discussed is when not if, we return to the international market to borrow how will we be viewed. It will be years before we get back to investment grade, that coupled to a default would be of concern to the international lenders.

    Remember too even if government can get money from the IMF and those, the private sector still will need to go to the international markets for larger projects.

    So let s say as the PM SAYS we in this to 2025, how will we be viewed by foreign lenders in the medium term and at what rates will we be offered financing at?

    The comment that was sent via Bloomberg should be clear to all of us.

    ” if the Barbados Gov persist in trying to force the rescheduling as it now stands on us there will be long term consciqeunces ” . But don’t discuss it cause we only dealing with today!


  43. It is all academic now, she made the call and we have to go with it. To be honest, there is more comfort in what this administration is doing than the dolittle that preceded to quote Hoyos.


  44. David

    Hoyos was always anti DLP. Amongst the people led by 4 White men who brought down the Sandiford regime.

    A similar group of White men were active in the anti Stuart recent eviction.

    We find people like Hoyos to be lightweight proto racists.

    They seem to be never able to become known to the local publics. Even after being arrested as drug barons.


  45. I have become possessed by the same demon that possesses Simple Simon. I am now a nit-picker.

    One of the first things that you learn about in Statistics is the abuse of graphs.

    Copied from wikipedia
    The scales of a graph are often used to exaggerate or minimize differences
    Misleading bar graph with no scale
    The lack of a starting value for the y axis (x in our case) makes it unclear whether the graph is truncated. Additionally, the lack of tick marks prevents the reader from determining whether the graph bars are properly scaled. Without a scale, the visual difference between the bars can be easily manipulated.

    In this case it does not really matter, but eyes are upon you.


  46. David it is because the call was made that we must now discuss the next chapter. There will be life after the debt restructuring with the foreign creditors and we need to start looking at what that will mean to us as a people.


  47. This govt has already in a year presented two plans to take Barbados down a long dangerous economic path one by default and the other trying to wrestle external creditors into the ground
    Yet u David have a present of mind to quote Hoyos
    Just maybe one day an a appreciation for do liitle might add up to more than hot and sweaty with out having a growth plan


  48. All the tears of joy accomplished by a 30-0 win is now turning to pain and sorrow ss people realised that Mia promises were built on a premise that a promise is a comfort to a fool

  49. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Pacha
    Right on ! Don’t forget that Sandiford once had to remind the Chamber of Commerce that he “was not elected in a board room.”

  50. WURA-WAR-on-U Avatar

    “This writer fully supports this guvment on this issue because it is the right thing to do based on all the information possessed.

    But every Bajan should make a conscious decision, not be blanketly recruited to support any guvment unthinkingly or because others so choose”

    That is how the populi always end up mistreated, robbed and DISENFRANCHISED GENERATION AFTER GENERATION….. with the disgusting slave code and slave laws firmly EMBEDDED IN LEGISLATION..

    Blind support…unintelligent support.

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