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The blogmaster read the following article over night while perusing the financial newsfeed.

Patriotic Barbadians that understand these matters are obviously concerned negotiations have stalled with external creditors. We have to go with communications being dropped in the public space.

Commonsense support that it is not unusual creditors will push back against having to take a haircut. Barbadians wish the White Oak negotiating team well, as a country we have a lot riding on the best outcome.

Both sides agree the country of 300,000 people needs to cut debt levels. Yet talks have soured in recent weeks over how much of the burden should be borne by creditors in the form of deep haircuts or other terms. For its part, the government said it isn’t willing to negotiate targets established when it took a bailout from the International Monetary Fund last year – extracted from the Bloomberg report

Both sides seem to agree a restructure of the debt is necessary given the high debt burden and current state of the economy. What is at dispute is the amount creditors are being asked to leave on the table. Creditors have to protect their interest and the government having opted to SD will have to make it count given the damage to country’s credit rating and how it will be perceived by lenders.

However the foreign creditors will know that they have an overlapping interest with the government of Barbados. If the economy that is precariously perched on the economic cliff continues were to tank all that will be left is Hobson’s choice.

Time to close the deal!


Barbados Clashes With Creditors in Talks to Cut Greece-Like Debt

 

Barbados’ prime minister is butting heads with creditors over how to cut one of the world’s largest sovereign debt loads, creating a sticking point in the year-long negotiations to restructure the Caribbean nation’s defaulted dollar bonds.

Talks with foreign creditors have dragged on since last June, when Prime Minister Mia Mottley said she would restructure the island’s “unsustainably high” debt burden. While both sides said they are open to continued negotiation, they appear far from consensus.

A committee of creditors, who hold 55% of outstanding dollar debt, said Wednesday that they plan to unanimously reject a government proposal to exchange defaulted bonds for new debt unless the two sides negotiate together.

“The committee strongly believes that the launch of a unilateral exchange offer by the government of Barbados without the support of the committee will be highly detrimental to the country’s economic stability,” they said in a statement.

Both sides agree the country of 300,000 people needs to cut debt levels. Yet talks have soured in recent weeks over how much of the burden should be borne by creditors in the form of deep haircuts or other terms. For its part, the government said it isn’t willing to negotiate targets established when it took a bailout from the International Monetary Fund last year.

No Compromise

At that time, the government estimated debt had ballooned to about 175% of gross domestic product, meaning it owed around $9 billion. That would have made it one of the world’s most-indebted countries, trailing only a handful of others, including Greece, according to IMF figures. Mottley said she “will not compromise” on the goal of bringing that ratio down to 60% by 2033.

“We leave it to creditors to decide whether this is achieved through a par deal with long tenors and low interest rates, or face value haircuts with shorter tenors and higher interest rates. But the targets must be met in full,” she said in a written response to questions.

Mottley inherited a troubled $5 billion economy when she took office last May. The island known for its white sand beaches had been struggling for years amid competition from less-pricey Caribbean tourism destinations, crumbling infrastructure, and a currency that’s pegged to the U.S. dollar. She quickly struck a $290 million deal with the IMF and restructured about $6 billion in local currency debt.

The government owes around $700 million in dollar bonds, plus bank loans and other foreign debts, according to a spreadsheet posted to a website for creditors in January. Bonds maturing in 2035 have rarely traded in recent months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

The creditors committee said it put forth an offer two weeks ago “based on terms that aim to support the government’s debt and reform objectives while creating restructured instruments with broad market acceptance.” The committee said it is made up of long-term investors, regional central banks, individual bondholders and financial institutions and represented by advisers Newstate Partners and Washington-based law firm Arnold & Porter Kaye Scholer LLP.

The creditors contend that their offer would have allowed the government to reach its debt target a year later than it wants, according to people familiar with the committee’s negotiations. The committee’s position is that the government’s estimates fail to take into account certain revenue variables and that it is trying force severe restructuring terms on creditors to meet its debt targets, said the people, who were not authorized to discuss the negotiations.

White Oak Advisory, which is representing the government in negotiations, said the creditors’ offer “fails to meet IMF test for debt sustainability, and by quite some margin,” according to an email statement. “It is disappointing that Barbados continues to be faced with this kind of position after almost a year of negotiations.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-30/barbados-clashes-with-creditors-in-talks-to-cut-greece-like-debt


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374 responses to “White Oak and External Creditors: Flirting with Hobson’s Choice”

  1. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu

    Wuh Loss !!!

    The higher the monkey climbs the more he exposes his Rs.

    Actions have consequences. How can one create a situation and then describe it as Hobsons choice?
    Was debt default the only choice? Was it necessary in the first place? On what analysis was this decision based?

    Do we really understand finance ?


  2. @ Vincent

    Spot on. The quality of this is debate tells us why Barbados is in trouble. Your question: do we really understand finance is apt.


  3. @Vincent

    You question is irrelevant at this time. The decision to SDvwas taken. You seem to forget Barbados was at junk bond status , one notch above SD, unable to borrow at reasonable terms in the capital market taking in debt at usurious rates and selling the family silver to pay bills.

    You need to apply context to the use of the term Hobson’s choice.


  4. You have to ask if some of them have Barbados at heart.(Quote)

    99.9 per cent of the people on BU have the good of Barbados at heart. We may disagree on how this is best expressed, unless you are a brain-dead idiot who thinks you have all the right answers. That is why you have a discussion.

  5. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    More importantly, finance is based on trust.
    If a country defaults on its debt obligations does it improve its ratings in the local and international capital markets?
    What kind of convoluted logic is that?
    Have you any idea how highly rated Barbados credibility was before this decision? In this life one needs to be more discerning. Every one that says he is your friend is not your friend.


  6. David patriotic emotionalism would not work
    Time for u to have a reality check


  7. @Vincent

    You continue to address the theory. Who wants to default? Who is arguing that point? Barbados was in a bad situation and still is. The last government was about to sell the Hilton and Oil company to boost foreign reserves. Yhat was a more sustainable approach? Put the alternative on the table.

    Do not misunderstand, we should not be here but we are. Barbadians everywhere must support the government to get the best deal.

  8. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu at 9 :20 AM

    Stop the dirty game you are attempting. I am aware.


  9. @ Blogmaster

    Ultimately a deal will be struck. I don’t think that is in any doubt. The real question is what will the real price that Bdos will have to pay, not just now and not just in dollars.


  10. @David
    Barbadians everywhere must support the government to get the best deal

    Nonsense. What is the “best deal”??

  11. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu

    Barbados was never at junk bond status. The credit raters did their evaluations and some people opportunistically ran with the narrative of junk bond status.
    We the creditors held on to our investments based on Barbados credit history and reputation. There was no rush to sell GoB debentures. The players in the market determine what is junk. Not the market raters.

    Do you have a dog in this fight too?


  12. Do not misunderstand, we should not be here but we are. Barbadians everywhere must support the government to get the best deal.(Quote)

    To get the support of ordinary Barbadians the government must deserve it. So far this government does not deserve our full support. Support is not automatic. That is the perversity of the reactionary and empty-headed.


  13. First of all the outstanding question what does barbados have to offer
    Our collateral damage has been our people so far
    In negotiations meeting halfway is the starting point


  14. Bim did not have to default. that was a calculated decision by MAM and her advisors. a decision that they have not defended or at least not defended with evidence.

    nevertheless it has been done and we must endure whatever stems therefrom. that said i wish MAM all the luck in negotiating a better deal or a least burdensome deal for Bim.


  15. @ Tron May 31, 2019 9:11 AM
    “It will head to a federal judge in NYC, I suppose.
    The naïve popular masses and their populist defenders on BU brag about their literacy rate. As financial illiterates, they do not master any basic financial rules. You can easily imagine them howling and lamenting when negotiations fail and currency reserves run out. Even today they have not understood the seriousness of the situation. Instead of increasing their weekly working hours to 50 hours, they pick their noses in their air-conditioned offices, play around on their mobile phones for half a day and brag about their half-education.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You too know that what is being played out in this ‘foreign-lenders’ sabre-rattling is just a mere thrust of the Devaluation dagger in the face of the Bajan Mickey Mouse dollar.

    You ought to listen to the contrite man Deliar Worrell a major player in the construction of the debt quagmire Barbados finds itself.

    He knows the depth to which his country has sunk since he pissed off Madame Lagarde.

    He is having his Damascene moment.

    So here is the ‘Deal, Dear Tron!

    Let us amend the famous principle of economic warfare which arose from the Oistins Treaty of 1652: “No Taxation without Representation” to read:
    ‘No Economic Salvation (future gains) without the pain of monetary Devaluation’.

    Bajans just cannot continue with the stupid notion that some white god is a Bajan and the rest of the world owes them a living. The ‘good ole days’ of borrowing to live the life of Riley are over; plain and simple

    How can Bajans expect to import luxury vehicles and dirty pipe water in plastic bottles (and soon licensed marijuana) using foreign money borrowed from the IMF while telling its overseas bondholders to stuff it and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine?

    Bajans are not dealing with any money Merchants of the Shylock class with White Oak their Antonio dressed in a negotiating suite of shining armour to rescue Portia MAM and her serfs.

  16. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @Mariposa at 9:46 AM

    I agree. Barbadians, our most important assets, should never be used or seen as collateral damage. Every decision must be made in the light of their well being. Politics and economics is not a game.


  17. @ Greene,

    There was no economic logic for the default on domestic and foreign debt. Remember, the White Oaks contract was signed on May 30, five days after the BLP came to power. That has to be explained. Remember, the Barbados dollar is sovereign currency.
    What was the ECONOMIC reason for defaulting on the domestic debt? Was there an approach to the foreign creditors BEFORE defaulting?
    Government is now talking about offering a ‘sweetener’ to the foreign creditors, does this mean the talks are not going well? Is there an end game with White Oaks, by that I mean a date when the contract ends?


  18. @Vincent

    You more than most know that raters in the international market influence our ability to borrow. This is in the international market.

    In the local market we have pension funds and related where policy dictate investment policy. It is a bigger issue than you are making out.


  19. Hal

    “This is a small-minded idea by small-minded people. I know based on the public mortality of Barbados, this may be normal. But in mature countries, any journalist caught doing PR for a friend/client will be sacked and barred from the industry.”

    Does this mean it doesn’t or can’t happen? No!! I witnessed this happening less than a month ago, in a country of BIG-MINDED. people. I am convinced you have a short man, short-neck complex.


  20. @ Enuff,

    Public morality.

    Name the publication, the journalist and the story.

  21. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    “As financial illiterates, they do not master any basic financial rules. ”

    Obviously…neither do you dummies of parliament…or ya would NEVER NEED MILLION DOLLAR CONSULTANTS

    #finaniciailliteratesaboundinparliament


  22. Hal

    I have no details to give you. The FACT is that I know it happened.


  23. David you have to look further than the settlement for this matter of foreign creditors, as both Hal and Vincent are pointing out.

    To say don’t worry we will get back to where we were in our credit rating and as a result all will be well, is not realistic.

    Suppose it takes us 10 years to get back to investor grade, you can’t disregard how we will be treated as a risk factor during that period. I really don’t think many understand how the financial risk assessment process works.

    Finally to say others defaulted and are fine today is not supported by fact. Argentina has not been able to borrow favourable since they defaulted and from memory their default was in 2003!


  24. @John A

    We have to deal with what is with us. We have to manage the situation based on a plan. To suggest a hypothetical, how is that helpful? If plan A does not meet targets you evaluate and come up with plan B. You expect guarantees?


  25. (Quote):
    Government is now talking about offering a ‘sweetener’ to the foreign creditors, does this mean the talks are not going well? Is there an end game with White Oaks, by that I mean a date when the contract ends? (Unquote)
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

    Little England is having its darkest hour in recent history and every black Englishman is expected do his duty.

    Why don’t you use your ‘financial-journalist’ investigative skills well honed in the mother country Big England and do your patriotic duty to the child; your failed homeland Barbado(e)s?

    Why not use your well-established ‘underworld’ contacts in the UK and tell BU if there is any connection (formal or informal) between White Oak and the avinashi consultant and the UK companies under his control?

    By doing such undercover investigation you might not only find out if there is an “end game with White Oak” but might just just stumble onto a scoop which could really turn into a genuine ‘Note’ from a really honorable ‘Native Son’ of the Bajan Soil, Ivy and all!

    A fellow “Cawmerian’ and ‘Carrington-Village boy’ George Lamming would be most proud of you!


  26. @Hal,

    i havent heard MAM, any of the ministers of finance or the numerous consultants articulate the reason for the default. maybe they did but i havent heard any

    perhaps your mate David can help.

    i get the sense that MAM and her advisors were using the dire financial situation as they referred to it, to reset the financial and debt repayment structure, so to speak. i think that in the blame culture that was the campaign if there was going to be any backlash after, they would have seated the reason for the default in the DLP’s mismanagement of the economy

    however it was the only thing the idiots in the DLP sought and or managed to avoid


  27. The prime minister has explained why her government took the decision to default on mire than one occasion. Go to YouTube and listen to her press conference with David Ellis for example. You cannot debate the issue sensibly if you do not take the time to be informed. The government will have to defend the decision come next general election.


  28. @Enuff

    So you are not discussing with the blog. I am therefore left to conclude, sadly, I do not believe you. There are rogue (corrupt) people in every trade. The risk/rewards is the factor. Is it worth a career? Some of us are incorruptible.
    I will give you an example: where I worked, if a journalist was taken out for a drink, a meal, to a sporting event, it had to be declared and, according to the cost, the journalist must pay for him/herself. I know, I signed off the expenses and we kept a register.
    If a reporter wrote about equities and they had investments in those equites, they had to be declared. These are sackable offences. Every Xmas a leading fund manager would tsk a group of reporters from London to New York for an ‘important’ meeting. I allowed our reporter to go, just in case anything of importance was said. But the first thing on their return to London they were told not to write anything about the sponsoring company.
    I disciplined one of my reporters for blogging in his spare time about Israel because it compromised the impartiality of the publication. The reputation of the publication is of upmost importance. The editorial code is very important…

  29. Freedom Crier Avatar

    PART 1

    David May 31, 2019 7:45 AM @Dullard “Wrong. Countries will default on debt and a consequence is that there has to be agreement the level of haircut.”

    We Did Default on the Debt, there was an Accommodation made, the Debt was restructured, and they loaned Barbados more Money to Sure up there FOREX. Now we are paying back for many years to come. Jamaica economy was Rescued Forty Two Years ago. They had completely run out of FOREX. They are Still paying. 80% of the Governments Revenue is to pay Foreign Debt even after Forty Two Years.

    It is not that Jamaica could not pay back and finish, a 100% of Jamaica’s Revenue could now have been applied to Jamaica.

    Barbados Debt is more than its GDP. That level of Debt is not easy to repay. THAT LEVEL OF DEBT WAS NOT TO BUILD PROJECTS such as the DEEP WATER HARBOUR. THAT LEVEL OF DEBT WAS NOT TO BUILD PROJECTS LIKE THE AIRPORT. THAT LEVEL OF DEBT WAS NOT TO BUILD THE HIGHWAY. It would have accounted for some less than 20% of the GDP, THAT LEVEL OF DEBT, and WAS USED BY GOVERNMENT TO LIVE LARGE.

    Politicians Gain Power by promising FREE STUFF, Government does not Earn Money, Government Extracts Money from its People in the Form of Income Taxes, Land Taxes, VAT, Duties, Excise Tax, Taxes on Gasoline and Electricity; in the case of Electricity, we pay VAT on Taxes because Government is the Sole Importer of Petroleum Products.

    In addition, in Exchange for these High Rates of Taxes they promise to give you Free Primary Education, Free Secondary Education Free Meals, Free Health Care (Eight Hours or More Waits in the Emergency Rooms). Free Garbage Collection (OOPS they now charging ya fa dat!) and everything else they promise you would be FREE.

    Politicians are supposed to be men of the people who come from ordinary backgrounds and who go into Parliament with a Small Amount of Assets and leave Parliament with a Large Amount of Assets and a Life Pension after a few years that the Government pays.

    https://quotes.thefamouspeople.com/images/quotes/thomas-sowell-53470.jpg

    https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840×2160/2663015-Fr-d-ric-Bastiat-Quote-Life-faculties-production-in-other-words.jpg

  30. Freedom Crier Avatar

    PART 2

    The Government have set themselves up not only as the Government because we should have Government, but as the GIVER OF LARGESS, WHICH WE THE TAX PAYERS PAY FOR.

    What Freedom is yet to Figure out is WHY people would be BRIBED WITH THEIR OWN MONEY? They have to Give the money to the Government who will give them back a Portion. PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MANAGE THEIR MONEY BETTER THAN GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT IS THEIR MONEY. CHARITY IS NOT THE LEGISLATIVE DUTY OF A GOVERNMENT.

    BECAUSE OF OUR SOCIALIST POLICIES, WE HAVE VOTED OURSELVES INTO THIS POSITION. WE REAP WHAT WE SEW! PETER NOW HAS TO PAY PAUL WHAT HE BORROWED.

    What the Government NEVER TELLS YOU, when they borrow money that they do not have the money to pay Back immediately; is that they are the Pledging People’s Future Earnings, to pay it back. WE ARE NOW SERVANTS OF THE GOVERNMENT. Much like when you Buy a House and you have a Thirty-year Mortgage you have to pay for thirty years and if ya stop half way the lender will take your house and sell it. The house only passes to you after the last payment is completed. IF THE HOUSE OWNER DEFAULTS HE DOES NOT GET A HAIR CUT, OR A SHAVE HEAD HE GETS NOTHING! The Property is Sold he gets the little that is left back and in MOST CASES NOTHING.

    IF YOU KNOW HOW LENDING WORKS YOU REALLY DO NOT PAY BACK THE PRINCIPLE UNTIL WELL INTO HALF OF THE TERM. SO ALL IS LOST.

    Countries have gone into Default like Argentina but as you stated had resources and for many years people suffered greatly but they able with their resources able to eat at least Meat and Wheat. With a Default No One will Deal with you because No one will be Guaranteed payment because your Currency would be considered worthless.

    PEOPLE AT THE END OF THEIR ROPE TRY DESPERATE THINGS, THAT FURTHER ACCELERATE THEIR DEMISE, SUCH AS 100% SOLAR OR POWER. THERE IS NOT A RICH NATION IN THE WORLD THAT HAS TRIED IT THAT ARE CONTINUING IT. IT HAS CAUSED GREAT INCREASE THE COST OF ELECTRICITY.

    And Now they say that we are on a Path to Prosperity, by PAYING MORE FOR EVERYTHING and as sure as the Sun Rises Every Day, you can Guarantee that Twenty Years from now we will be Paying Higher Rates for Electricity and they will NEVER BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE 100% RENEWABLE’ S, For No Rich Country has done it yet and the world is in a Wash of Oil.

    Freedoms Problem has is where we going to run to. I prefer to stay and FIGHT TO HAVE MY FELLOW BARBADIANS WAKE UP TO THE EVILS OF SOCIALISM AND ITS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE PLEDGING OF THE REVENUE OF THEIR LABOUR FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

    https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840×2160/2418780-Fr-d-ric-Bastiat-Quote-Treat-all-economic-questions-from-the.jpg

    https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aNzoMPK_700b.jpg


  31. @ Greene,

    They have given POLITICAL explanations, but not a single ECONOMIC one.


  32. @ David May 31, 2019 7:09 AM
    William Skinner’ postings were not empty. Basically ,he made the same point that you alluded to; that harsh decisions needed to be made which both parties refused to do. Just peel back what he posted and separate the chaff from the grain and you will see that what he said basically coincides with your posting.


  33. ”Do not misunderstand, we should not be here but we are. Barbadians everywhere must support the government to get the best deal.”””””

    David

    There should not be an expectation for Bajans to ‘support’ this or any other guvment for the reason/s you described.

    We have problems when the ‘support’ of any people is expected, demanded, etc for any guvment.

    This writer fully supports this guvment on this issue because it is the right thing to do based on all the information possessed.

    But every Bajan should make a conscious decision, not be blanketly recruited to support any guvment unthinkingly or because others so choose.

  34. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 10 :45 AM

    You have got that right. It is a far bigger issue than the one you want to limit the bloggers to. Yes. I do know. My knowledge of economics and its subsidiary, finance, is not only theoretical but practical at the macro and micro levels and you know it.


  35. @Vincent

    How is the discussion being restricted by the blogmaster?


  36. John A May 31, 2019 8:39 AM

    Well said.


  37. Hal

    You can conclude whatever you wish. I have repeatedly said that you do not impress me; therefore, your conclusion is unimportant in my humble view. Your response above is a weak and desperate bid to negate David’s comment about influence and the media, and further validates my previous comment..


  38. “David patriotic emotionalism would not work……”

    Mariposa

    Were you not the one who, prior to May 24, 2018, was exhibiting “patriotic emotionalism,” when you were constantly expressing the view to contributors that, by not supporting your party’s policies, meant they were being UNPATRIOTIC and not putting country before themselves?


  39. @David

    do you think they should have defaulted? yes i listened and it still doesnt make sense and more importantly it doesnt take away from anything that i have wrote on the issue. and having listened i didnt hear, as Hal said, any economic reason in so doing.


  40. Is there a right or wrong answer? We can debate the matter to death.

    Can you explain the options that were opened to generate the reserves to protect the currency as well as to mitigate risk in the event of an unforeseen event?

    Let us have a pragmatic exchange and lose the emotional mindset.

    What was our debt to gdp?

    What space did the new government have to design a growth program?

    Would creditors have facilitated debt restructure talks on a bilateral basis?


  41. @ Enuff
    I am not trying to impress you, or anyone for that matter. I am just relating the facts about journalistic ethics as practised in the UK and most other Anglo-Saxon countries and in the process informing the blog.
    That is why the journalists’ union has a code of ethics and there is an independent ombudsman overlooking the industry. Read the Levenson report. Journalists are sent to prison for infringements.
    In major organisations it is why editors are legally and ethically responsible for the content of publications, including advertising, and not the publishers. That is the separation of advertising and editorial.
    The reasoning is simple: if big advertiser A can control the editorial content of a publication, advertiser B, a rival business, will not entertain that publication. And it cannot be done secretly since employees move from employer to employer and they will talk.
    Further, it is a criminal offence in England and Wales for a journalist to accept a bribe to publish a story.


  42. David they are 2 issues that have to be looked at together as the settlement of issue one triggers issue 2. You can’t seperate them even if you want to.

    Let us say the foreign debt issue is settled next week Friday, do you not think the topic I raised will not come into effect Monday? You can not take a myopic view and focus this discussion solely on settlement with the foreign creditors and not go on to discuss the challenges of future borrowing on the open market afterwords. Not a option in the financial world.

    Finally no one is speculating as speculation would only come into effect if you are saying we may not ever go back to the international market, once government or the private sector goes back in the midterm, issue 2 is a discussion we must have now.

    there is a difference between foresight and speculation sir. What some of us want to do is use foresight to ventilate once the debt restructuring is over what we must prepare for.

  43. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    “We the creditors held on to our investments based on Barbados credit history and reputation.”
    Speak for thyself.
    I appreciate the choices were few, yet providing life insurance to a 92 year old because he has never died before, is madness. Patriotism blinded several. A few believed by not rolling over bonds and going into T-bills somehow decreased their risk. That it was a different pocket.
    “The players in the market determine what is junk. Not the market raters.” True. The body determines death not the doctors. The latter can only give you the warning signals and possible solutions. Accept or reject, it’s a personal choice.

    Yet the raters are but one diagnostic tool? The Sovereign has the right to tax and impose other revenue measures, and determine their expenditures. The fact that one SOE after another failed to provide Annual Reports, was that due to a shortage of accounting professionals on the island? After umpteen years of controlled interest rates, they are allowed to float. Why? Were these and other decisions ‘business as usual’ in Barbados, in keeping with our history and reputation?

    And we have other age old tenets. That banks/financial entities are not to get involved in politics. Every time Marla D opened her mouth, RBC’s kickers were twisted one more notch. Was she or wasn’t she? Yet, if a Hedge Fund or other large investor decides to force their will upon a public company, all is good. They have ‘skin in the game’? Yet banks who have more skin than most in Government backed instruments, must been seen and not heard. They could ‘tip the balance’. Yet if they do not speak up, who will? Those with political skin in the game?

    This is not a personal assault. I heard the exact same logic from numerous Barbadians. To which I would sing the line “dat cant happen here in dis country” from the famous song. My only excuse is I have seen it before. It is preceded by certain symptoms.


  44. The long and short Barbados sold out

    What would Barrow say

  45. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @Tron
    “No creditor who had bought government bonds or granted a loan since 2008 could seriously expect the repayment of the full amount of the principal PLUS contractually guaranteed interest.”

    We heard this line from the head of Republic Bank, that it was used in negotiations. I wonder if the same banker had the cojones to suggest the GoB send home many more and/or slash other expenditures, and use the money to pay off debts owing?


  46. NO

    Are the raters not determinative of what is junk?

    Well, we are then on the verge of rewriting recent, and not so recent, financial history.


  47. @John A

    Of course it will come up but to discuss it at this stage is hypothetical and adds no value to the current debate. Let us hope White Oak earn their salary. They all seem to know each other based on what enuff posted on the blog below.


  48. Barbados credit history hit bottom when govt defaulted on loans
    The one and only form of having confidence in a borrower
    Now govt having nothing to offer expect external creditors to bend over backwards to accommodate them
    Not going to happen
    Credit worthiness is the foremost principle which will give the creditor an insight of borrowers potential to pay back
    The IMF loan barbados money to prop up its reserves and all can see what is being transpired on bajan household which are tied to terms and agreements signed by this govt
    This time around external creditors are saying to Barbados We dont trust your efforts

  49. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Pachamama

    Have you ever sat with the representatives of credit rating firms and discover how they arrive at their ratings? Have you in your research observe that many the firms and sovereign debts get triple A ratings on one day and the next day file for bankruptcy?
    Do you have a list of the overseas holders of GoB debt and how long these have been part of their portfolios? Do you really know what drive their holdings? I can assure you they do not reference your international raters.

    Financial history cannot be rewritten,but the causes of financial events can be analysed. We need to do more of the latter so that we may not make similar missteps going forward.


  50. @ Vincent

    Financial history cannot be rewritten,but the causes of financial events can be analysed. We need to do more of the latter so that we may not make similar missteps going forward.(Quote)

    AIG had a triple A rating and went insolvent with assets of US$600bn. Or the Icelandic banks.

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