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Barbados Cabinet Breaks Promise to Consult BWU re: transfer of BTPA to BTMI

The embedded documents support a view the government has backtracked on a promise made to employees at the BTPA and the Barbados Workers Union. In the interest of transparency and integrity it is important for the Mia Mottley led government to clarify the matter if it is to sustain the confidence of the people it serves. The last thing the citizenry wants is a government that was voted to office with an overwhelming mandate to mimic the decisions of its successor.

See relevant documents shared with Barbados Underground.

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189 responses to “Barbados Cabinet Breaks Promise to Consult BWU re: transfer of BTPA to BTMI”

  1. T.Inniss Avatar
    T.Inniss

    Sunshine @ 5:48a.m.

    Well said. People are not connecting the dots as you did of chineese social media propogandist Charles Jong,Chief Wiretapper himself,Darwin Dottin,Head instigator of said wiretapping Mia Mottley – and recent decisions to go hard again into this wiretapping business.

    Something that can start under the guise of ‘getting at criminal activities’ – can – as has been used by Mottley before – turn into a major matter of wiretapping of unsuspecting private citizens.

    I need for this skin teet A.G. Dale Marshall to tell us why have they gone to wiretapping as a first resort – especially since the Commissioner of Police told us emphatically – that he knows the guns and drugs are coming through the ports whether ‘wittingly or unwittingly.

    So why not go hard after these so- called businessmen cum Importers of drugs and Guns. People who like what we saw a year ago – who we would have never suspected to be in that business.

    Now we see Knighthoods being given out to some of these same suspects

    Instead of wiretapping this govt should give the resources the Police Force has been crying out for AND MORE IMPORTANTLY INSTEAD OF PAYING THESE SHYTE CONSULTANTS TO DO SQUAT,ALONG WITH THESE IDLE MINISTERS – TAKE THE SAVINGS FROM THE DISBANDING OF THEIR POSITIONS – AND IMPROVE THE SALARY OF POLICE OFFICERS – AND CONSTRUCT MEANINGFUL CAREER PATHS IN THE POLICE SERVICE..

  2. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog February 5, 2019 6:21 AM “Billie Miller should be working for free. Cheltenham should be working for free. Greenidge should be working for free. David Simmons should be working for the people for free.

    I agree with you. Even I do a significant amount of volunteer work, and I’ve done so for decades.

  3. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    Abigail the Salemite

    Why you don’t stop trying so hard to prove (successfully too) that you’re an IDIOT? In legal matters, when a lawyer realises his client has no defense, he/she opts to settle. The Judge can only rule in a civil matter if there is a case to judge. The PSC’s QC, according to the Nation, made clear that his client did not have a case and he informed the PSC. You are an unapologetic stranger to the truth and have a penchant for being a harbinger. Tres unethical in my view, yet you are constantly accusing others of all manner of unethical behaviour. Abigail Williams suits you to a T. Weren’t you suppose to meet a fellow BUer somewhere in town?🤡🤡

  4. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Sir Simple…we know that is how it’s done in the real world, even Barbados has started a version where from high school if you want university credits, you volunteer at QEH, old people’s homes or wherever…then in the real world ya volunteer during college and university and when ya finished university, ya give back, when ya working, ya give back through mentoring the young, not raping them, …and now the giving back is so much easier with social media…so when ya old and retired …ya can give back even more, because ya got the experience and knowledge that present and future generations need to move forward…and excel, build wealth and progress within the majority population.

    ….but not those slaveminded greedy lowlifes with their 1950s mentality where they believe that they are all ENTITLED…to rob their own people and everyone else because they are corrupt together, related to each other and keep each other’s nasty secrets of theft and organized crime..since they are lawyers and senators and government ministers, that makes it right…….in their warped and wicked minds.

    Organized crime and human rights abuses…that is what it is against the black majority population and as some of us know, some vulnerable whites like the Knox family and the theft of the Kingsland Estates.

  5. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Wait…you sent someone in town to meet me…really..

    ah got someone for u to meet with though….ticktock..

  6. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    A reasonable summary of the matter, now the hardtalk question – do you like the optics of the Dottin appointment?

  7. Sierra Sierra Uniform Avatar
    Sierra Sierra Uniform

    Somebody bajans will finally develop the ability to critically analyze the truth from fanciful speeches. I am convinced the low emotional intelligence of most bajans is truly been exploited by our leaders and decision makers. Why is it so hard for many of us to see that the short term vision of Barbados by our leaders are very self serving. Congruence of words and actions just not adding up.

    Too many are willing to sell our the poor for a social invite and maintain friendships. When wunna die carry all the wealth from the exploitation of the masses with wunna.

    Wiretapping OMG, Prof Owen Arthur warned we but we so dumb and like gullible sheep goats fell for the fanciful talk. Its about control ask Owen or Glyne Murray. If only wunna know about the level of eavesdropping capabilities of the GOB, if only. Who wunna think gave permission to order the equipment for world cup?

  8. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    So based on all of that…Marshall already has a judgement in place and him and Mia got taxpayers money ready to give away to Dottin…because they already saw he won the case…what about the legal process and all the points of law…..and all the technicalities that come into play during that process…including the appeals process….really…well this I gotta see…

    and I am the unethical one, ah never tief an old person’s estate, never robbed injured people…never tapped a bajan’s phone…ILLEGALLY… or otherwise.

  9. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Look…just admit yall plan to rob the taxpayers BLIND..as usual ..to line Dottin’s pockets for all that he owes Mia..and all the dirt he got in his safe ready to unleash on ya backsides if ya don’t comply…….it will be easier for the people to digest…..that they will understand…for when it’s time to vote everyone of u thieves out of the parliament..

    And don’t try paying Dottin in secret…unless it is from Mia’s multiple offshore accounts…

  10. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Ya see…Dottin could not take the case to the CCJ…BECAUSE HE RESIGNED…

    Explain that shit and why does he now have to be paid BY TAXPAYERS…

  11. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ David
    We are moving towards disbandment of democracy and has been on this path since the mid70s.
    Our system of government now seems to be nothing more than party paramountcy.
    This position presents the strongest understanding of Hal Austin’s view that we are a failed state.

  12. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ William
    What paramountcy what???!!
    Look up “idiocracy” and see where we are headed….

    Grass….
    It is here…

  13. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    They are trying to split this up to bamboozle the taxpayers…yes Dottin was removed from office PENDING…court proceedings…..court proceedings which turned out against him because he RESIGNED BEFORE APPEALING TO CCJ.. which null and voided his case…ah don’t know if he was his own lawyer…but….his case would have been stronger if he had not RESIGNED..

    So now they want to tell us that the taxpayers must pay Dottin for WRONGFUL DISMISSAL…but as I see it…his cockup of resigning also null and voided that …BECAUSE HE RESIGNED……

  14. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    Its should be easy to ascertain the truth of Pat’s opinion to the PSC regarding any settlement for the former COP. Simply ask any member who was part of the PSC and see what their response is, I believe there may be a divergence of opinion but it was tres convenient for the AG to speak of a favourable opinion prior to announcing a potential settlement. In any event it is not beyond the realm of possibility for Boards to ignore legal advice, it happens often with varying results. In this case the Gov’t will tout an opinion that it favours because of the various interconnecting individuals and politics.

  15. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    T. Inniss

    There are many things right now on the rock that threatens national security. Guns might be the obvious, but the greater of these are corrupt activities that enrich and advance the wicked ideals of those financing weapons for destruction. Barbados is corrupt and Transparency national has attested to that fact. Mottley by thinking that listening in on the phone calls of the citizenry will aid and abet her purpose to control crime; unless the intent is to advance her political stance by gaining intelligence and subsequent advantage, is a bigger rogue than I imagine. The criminal we have now are well connected and by the look of things, well financed. They are bold and daring. Do you honestly believe they will not get around wiretapping? Shite if they can get guns they can get hold of other technologies that can block the tap. Mottley reasoning is tricksy for advancing her diabolical plan to deprive its citizenry of privacy through reasoning that crime needs wires tapped. Imagine the same effort for transparency and strengthening institutions responsible for auditing government finances. Where is the effort in that besides the paltry moves to appear that they will make those in their league accountable We need government to operate in transparency, but they practice only the speeches and deliver non transparent actions. Rogue-works thinks that Barbadians remain largely foolish (though many still are). She is not even a year into her PM-hood and already her shite is clear.

  16. David Avatar
    David

    @William

    Barbados is a country like any other always working to be better.

  17. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    “Ya see…Dottin could not take the case to the CCJ…BECAUSE HE RESIGNED…”

    Perhaps you meant RETIRED…….. rather than RESIGNED?

    I recall a letter from the PSC, dated June 10, 2013 was sent to then GG Sir Elliott Belgrave, recommending the retirement of Dottin and he was sent on “administrative leave.” According to reports he was still receiving CoP’s salary until he RETIRED.

    And his RETIREMENT was the basis upon which he was denied hearing by the CCJ.

    “The CCJ in written reasons issued yesterday (July 18, 2017), denied the refusal of interim relief that Mr Dottin sought following his removal from the ‘top cop’ post 4 years ago. Since his claimed relief was to enable him to continue in office and he had RETIRED before his appeal to the CCJ, his appeal was without practical merit.”

    To use Sir Fuzzy’s phrase…..”Just saying…”

  18. Redguard Avatar
    Redguard

    hehehe, resigned retired, semantics, right Mistress of Misinformation

  19. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ David
    It’s the citizens who are trying to make the country better. Leave it to the decadent political class and it would be destroyed.

  20. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Redguard…they love to spin, but not one of them can that shite to CCJ…don’t know why someone who VOLUNTARILY RESIGNED….Dottin did not have to resign, he could have waited for the court process to be completed….NOW SITTING ON HIS PENSIONED ASS WITH NOTHING MUCH TO DO, NOW WANTS TO BE PAID FOR BEING DISMISSED…when he was the one wanted to resign…..steupppss….now want to come back with his criminal mischief against vulnerable bajans…

    he needs to open a soup kitchen and feed the poor…with the amount of DIRT and leverage he got on everyone on the island …getting the money to open soup kitchens and homeless shelters for all those old men and old women now sleeping on the streets…young homeless people …after school sports programs for kids…to divert them from a life of crime…would be a breeze…

    but the colonial slaves with the 1950s mentality of take, take, take…and ONLY from their own disenfranchised people …are limited in intellect and unable to carry such thoughts..

  21. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    they love to spin, but not one of them can TAKE that shite to CCJ..

  22. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    UK needs to pick up their colonial slaves, they are an embarrassment….the island would be much better off without them…

  23. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Dearest SSS

    You rightfully said and I quote

    “…unless the intent is to advance her political stance by gaining intelligence and subsequent advantage, is a bigger rogue than I imagine…”

    You are as intelligent as you are beautiful!

    Go to the head of the class.

    The key thing in this one term government that they and the other fellows have always lacked is VISION.

    The fact is that, BEING DEVOID OF ANY STRATEGY TO DIVERSIFY THE ECONOMY, the first thing that she is doing is dilluting the voting process by easedropping on people to identify the people who do not like her and her regime and her plans.

    Note that this is not about doing what MAKES PEOPLE AWARE OF THE COMPETENCIES THAT YOU HAVE but moreso about identifying the persons, WHO IN THE ABSENCE OF SUCH VISION, will speak out to their friends about those incompetencies.

    That my dear, is the sign of paucity and imcompetence that is MUGABE MOTTLEY.

    Everybody likes to say that she is “so brilliant” but, in the face of all that we are seeing, AND THAT WHICH THE OLE MAN PERSONALLY KNOWS, WE THE PEOPLE AND THE SHEEPLE ALL START TO SEE THAT SHE IS “BLOWING AIR UP WE POOCHES”.

    This is why MUGABE HAS BROKEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BREAK her meaningless covenent, the protocols and Union agreements because she is reverting to that imminent position where she is a 5 year government and they are consolidating their WEAK POSITION, UNILATERALLY!

    If you doubt me tell me where I can go and see her manifesto!

    DESPOTS, DO NOT HAVE MANIFESTOS

  24. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    “Redguard…they love to spin, but not one of them can that shite to CCJ…don’t know why someone who VOLUNTARILY RESIGNED….Dottin did not have to resign, he could have waited for the court process to be completed….….”

    STOP MISLEADING BU

    Dottin did not “VOLUNTARILY RESIGNED….”

    At the time the PSC made the recommendation for the then GG to retire Dottin in June 2013, he was 63 years old. He went on pre-retirement leave in November 2016 and by the time his case was to heard at the CCJ in 2017, he had already retired, at the age of 66 years old.

    “Dottin took the matter to court, seeking an injunction to prevent him being forced to retire and the appointment of a new permanent Commissioner, as well as an order that the status quo be maintained so he could return to work as Commissioner of Police.”

    As part of her ruling in September 2013, High Court Judge, Madame Justice Reifer refused to order Dottin’s return to work. His challenge to her ruling was eventually dismissed by the Court of Appeal in March 2017.

    By that time, REINSTATEMENT was NOT POSSIBLE as Dottin had RETIRED, having gone on PRE-RETIREMENT LEAVE in November 2016.

    “In July 2017, the CCJ dismissed an application from Dottin to appeal for relief. According to the CCJ, Dottin’s claimed relief was to enable him to continue in office and since he had RETIRED BEFORE his appeal to the CCJ, his appeal was “without practical merit”.

    “His substantive case concerning his dismissal remains to be heard by the Barbados High Court.”

  25. David Avatar
    David

    Hence the label dottined!

  26. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Ah…I stand corrected…….did not even do the research…and why should i…

    Strengthens my case for Dottin to keep his ass quiet and stop blackmailing the present government…into letting him have a go at taxpayer’s money and MORE of all the mischief he has been accused of…

    it is not the taxpayer’s fault that his retirement age FELL DURING THE COURT PROCEEDINGS EITHER……THEY DON’T OWE HIM shit…

    Dottin is no damn saint…he was a blot on the police force after he overstayed his time…

    yall know I am not letting this go right…

  27. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    I can find an even better word than dottined…ticktock…

  28. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    Under circumstances where the PSC used a number of allegations against Dottin as their basis for making the recommendation to then GG Belgrave to retire him, the Commission also extended a level of FAIRNESS towards the former CoP. They made sure his pension rights remained intact.

    According to paragraph 2 and 3 on page 1 of the PSC’s letter to the GG.

    “As we understand it, this authority need not be supported by any misconduct on the part of the person to be retired. Although there is an abundance of evidence that the Commissioner has engaged in conduct which is worthy of censor, and which we feel duty bound to draw to your attention, we do not believe that such conduct is a requirement for the exercise of this power.”

    “The Commission believes that the information in its possession provides strong evidence of criminal activity by the Commissioner. We also believe that he engaged in conduct that is worthy of discipline censure. However, we believe that pursuing these matters would embroil the Commission and the Commissioner in prolonged controversy which is not in the interest of either party or the public. We recommend this course of action, therefore, because it is not disciplinary, would protect the Commissioner’s pension rights in a way that some dishonourable termination may not, and would allow both offices to quickly move on with serving the interest of the public. Our only considerations for making this recommendation are the age of the Commissioner, the interest of the Royal Barbados Police Force and public interest.”

    The letter further outlines the allegations of wiretapping.

    However, as a “first class idiot,” I’m obligated to look at things a bit more rationally……cause wunnuh dun know idiots duz be slow……as my friend nocixel.

    Only last week on BU, the “legal experts” were, more or less, demonstrating their legal expertise on the definition of “evidence,” relative to allegations levelled against David Thompson and Donville Inniss.

    One contributor suggested: “In a democratic society, where there is the rule of law, a suspect is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. This is done by an open and fair trial in a court of law. ‘Evidence’ are simply ALLEGATIONS until guilt is proven.”

    While another suggested: “there is no such thing as evidence until it is TESTED in court via the rules of evidence and other laws. until then it is mere information.”

    Nothing wrong with that. I AGREE that ANY individual is innocent until proven guilty.

    Risking the chance of being WRONGFULLY ACCUSED of DEFENDING government’s decision to appoint Dottin as “crime consultant”…….

    ………..my questions as it relates to his case (which is something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT) are:

    (1). Certain allegations were levelled against Dottin. Did he not have a right to remain innocent until proven guilty?

    (2). How could the PSC recommend Dottin’s retirement based on evidence that was not “tested in court via the rules of evidence and other laws?”

    (3). In Dottin’s case, was this evidence simply allegations or hearsay until guilt is proven, or does the rules change according to one’s profession?

    (4). Was the GG within his rights to send Dottin on “administrative leave,” based on evidence presented by the PSC, which was not tested in court?

  29. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “The Commission believes that the information in its possession provides strong evidence of criminal activity by the Commissioner. ”

    Art…I believe they were extending a kindness to Dottin and still try to preserve the integrity of the force and the commission…but Dottin was obviously not gracious or thankful…and got the godammn never to want to be paid out by taxpayers….and it gets even worse than that…it does…but..

  30. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    and got the godammn NERVE to want to be paid out by taxpayers….

  31. T.Inniss Avatar
    T.Inniss

    David/BU

    Can you get hold of that letter from Pat Cheltenham with that advice re Dottin’s matter and publish it ?

    Can you ascertain when was that advice from Cheltenham Q.C given – and was it to the current Police Service Commission in its present configuration or was it to the last PSC under Guyson Mayers ?

    The answer to that may throw a different light to what Dale Marshall and the BLP agents are putting forward

    I ALSO AGREE ENTIRELY WITH SARGEANT – A BOARD IS NOT BOUND BY ANY LEGAL ADVICE GIVEN TO IT.

  32. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    My Sweet Piece

    Ain’t the criminals bold. You have daylight shootings, and then there is Rogue-Works; firing shots in open air her plans to wiretap all a sundry. Do you see the strategy? If it is in the open, it cannot be looked upon as operating in non transparency. Put it out there till all become sensitize and after all the noise and fuss passes, enact her spy moves. By then, the justification for it would have been proven with another round of shootings and killings since the best plan to solve the crisis is wiretap all. She has the perfect cover for her set up, and her open air move is the best place to hide her real intentions. She is gauging response, Piece because she promised to go the way of referendums. How comes this wiretapping move is not a referendum for the people to decide?

  33. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    “I believe they were extending a kindness to Dottin and still try to preserve the integrity of the force and the commission…”

    I mentioned that re: “……….the Commission also extended a level of FAIRNESS towards the former CoP. They made sure his pension rights remained intact.”

    However, what I’m querying is, if a man is innocent until proven guilty and evidence remains mere information or allegations until it is tested in court…….despite how we may feel about Dottin or his appointment as “crime consultant.”

    ………….(and putting those feelings aside)…..

    ………..….was it FAIR for him to be forced into “early retirement” based ONLY on the evidence presented by the PSC, which was NOT tested in court ……….even at the time the recommendation was made?

    He was at home drawing “free money”…….he gine soon get some more free money……..and he get a pick where some more “free money” will soon begin to roll in.

  34. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Thank you, Artax. Now I get it. I wonder though, if the evidence is that strong against Dottin why the AG does not simply allow him to wait interminably for his court date like all the rest of us. Why the rush to settle out of court??????

    This makes his appointment as consultant appear even more dubious.

  35. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    LABOUR UNREST.

    Scores of upset, laid off Rotherley Construction workers are staked out at the company’s Proute, St Thomas offices after not being paid for weeks.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/238350/workers-protest-rotherley

  36. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Artax

    Serious allegations with credible evidence would necessitate his being placed on leave until his case was heard. Think of the consequences of allowing him to remain as Commissioner of Police under those circumstances.

    Are we now to understand that the evidence is not as credible as the Commission maintained?

    This looks bad. Bring forward the case is what I say. Let the public hear the evidence.

  37. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Rotherley lost a huge contract..

  38. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Donna..I see Art’s concern, but again, the commission was looking at his age…which he was apparently not looking at, still isn’t…and several other factors…including his years of service…..otherwise, how do you have evidence…of criminality, via information…which could be tapes…physical evidence…and not charge him for these accusations of criminal activity.

    I believe they made the right call…..but Dottin is the wild card….he still refuses to go quietly into the night..

  39. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Ah don’t think Barbados was ready for that level of turmoil..back then, maybe now, arresting a commissioner of police for criminal activity …nah..but now..ha…happy to see that…social media helps…

    Dottin has so much info…..he probably will not know where to begin.

  40. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Maybe Enuff in Wonderland can furnish us with details…faithful and diligent servant .

  41. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    David
    “A reasonable summary of the matter, now the hardtalk question – do you like the optics of the Dottin appointment?”

    “It is my considered opinion that there is no viable defence to the dismissal of Darwin Dottin and the matter ought to be compromised with dispatch. For the record, I had also tendered that advice to the client (PSC) who was attracted to it. On that basis I, together with senior counsel for Darwin Dottin, had explored in detail the terms of a possible settlement. Unfortunately, higher counsel intervened and those deliberations came to naught. The Queen’s Counsel said he was not surprised that High Court Justice Margaret Reifer, who adjudicated the matter when Dottin filed an injunction against the GG and PSC’s actions pointedly observed: the evidence provided by way of affidavit evidence in this matter does not, at this stage of the proceedings, meet the threshold necessary to successfully ground a plea of national security. Cheltenham added: The plea of national security was misconceived and lacked force and coherence. I was unsure of its genesis.”
    National security? When the Salemites are baying, everything is bad optics.

  42. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    This situation needs some sunlight. If we are to trust in the decision we need transparency.

  43. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    the evidence provided by way of affidavit evidence in this matter does not, at this stage of the proceedings, meet the threshold necessary to successfully ground a plea of national security
    +++++++++++++++++++
    If these are the words of the learned Judge, could someone explain why she denied the injunction?

  44. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    “Serious allegations with credible evidence would necessitate his being placed on leave until his case was heard. Think of the consequences of allowing him to remain as Commissioner of Police under those circumstances.”

    Donna

    I understand allegations of that nature would “necessitate” the individual who allegedly committed the offences to be “placed on leave until his/her case was heard.”

    Included in the PSC’s letter to the GG was a detailed description of the allegations, as well as the following summation:

    “We have reviewed the information in possession of the Commission surrounding the rampant reports of phone tapping. The information provides irrefutable evidence of illegal phone tapping, but also paints a picture of circular communication and an unwillingness of persons in authority to take responsibility for dealing with this matter. Up to now the Commission has been trying to have the reports of tapping properly investigated by pushing on every door from behind which a solution may be found, but receiving no useful response.”

    However, the PSC recommended Dottin’s retirement “pursuant to section 11 (1) (a) of the Pensions Act, Cap 25 as follows:

    “Subject to Section 13B, the Governor General may require an officer to whom this section applies to retire from the service of the Crown in a civil capacity at any time after he attains the age of 55 years.”

    Did the PSC make an arbitrary decision to “authenticate” the evidence?

    So………on one hand we have the PSC saying they have all this “information that provides irrefutable evidence” that Dottin was involved in illegal phone tapping ……….

    ………… but on the other hand, they seem to be conceding that taking action against him may be long and drawn out and given his age, they recommended his “forced retirement.”

    And Donna……….I agree with you………. “this situation (definitely) needs some sunlight.”

  45. James Greene Avatar
    James Greene

    I wonder whether Chettleham rendered his opinion before or after the Bowen matter with Dottin. And I will tell you why but first this-

    Most persons are innocent until proven guilty – the presumption of innocence in other words or for Latin buffs, tem quilbet presumitur innocens nisi probetur nocens, and the burden of proof is on he who accuses, ei incumbit probatio qui dicit.

    In a criminal matter the standard of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt and in civil court it is based on the balance of probability.

    Beyond a reasonable doubt – the jury is told that in order to convict it must be persuaded “so that you are sure” that from the evidence adduced in the trial the defendant is guilty of the crimes charged.

    Balance of probability or preponderance of evidence- the court, often a judge, decides these matter based on “more likely than not”, or for the party convinced the court more than 50% as to the soundness of their claim

    Evidence in criminal matters begin with information captured on police statement forms from eye witnesses and forensic experts which is persuasive enough to cause the DPP to proffer charges. It is only when that information is given by a witness duly sworn before a court, as evidence on parole, subjected to examination by lawyers and the Judge based on rules of evidence and other laws that is accepted by the court as evidence in the matter

    On the other hand, evidence in civil matter is adduced by affidavits which are sworn statements about the claim at hand. It is only in certain cases that witnesses give oral evidence in civil matters. Each allegation filed by the claimant or plaintiff by way of affidavit is countered by the defendant by affidavit from the defendant or witnesses. Most civil matters are settled before adjudication. Parties are encouraged to settle by the court or they settle on their own accord. If it reaches the stage where it has to be decided by the Judge he does based on the evidence presented via the affidavits or in the rare occasion when witnesses are heard.

    To Dottin- it seems to me, as a trash collector, that Dottin from the documents filed in the Bowen matter may have been guilty of breaching the rules that apply to wiretapping and I believe humbly based on what I have read (the affidavits of the two special branch detectives who admitted they tapped phones at the request of Dottin) that Dottin should have been disciplined and fired. No where in those affidavits is it suggested that the tapping was legally sanctioned. Because of the pervasive nature of wiretapping the law pertaining to wiretapping is very strict and should be adhere to strictly. Dottin appears to have been oblivious to this and his claim of national security interests seem to have been an afterthought or a last resort.

    The law is such that there can be many opinions for a given matter. More than likely a QC’s opinion can be very persuasive but it is not binding.

    In coming to an agreement sometimes counsel take into consideration the social and public standing of the parties and the damages that can flow from certain decisions. In this case a long drawn out court fight that would have no doubt become public would not have benefited either party which I see expressed in the PSC document posted above.

    It appears that Dottin received all the monies to which he would have been entitled had he continue to be CoP so except for reputational injury what other monies is he entitled to?

  46. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Short answer as far as I can tell – NONE.

  47. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    James Greene
    The Salemites being silenced, that is better than any “monetary” gain. 🤣🤣Anyhow, the Mugabe government is at the moment amending the legislation to increase the number of judges and make the appointment of judges a recruotment process–internationally.

    David
    Have you sourced the Sandals contracts yet?

  48. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    If you mean the Barbados agreement that is a no.

  49. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Enuff 68…ya are a real creep though..ya do know that information hit the world stage right, why ya think am so quiet, ah tired….you take me for a robot or what…steupppps…

  50. T.Inniss Avatar
    T.Inniss

    David

    So you can respond to enuff but not a word on what I asked for earlier.

    YOU UNDERSTAND HOW PERCEPTIONS ARE HARDENED INTO REALITY I HOPE.

    Nevertheless whether it is you or someone acting on your behalf – then you owe it to us who contribute on this site and help make discussion interesting and provoking – at least for those who are not agents of the BLP – PLEASE SHOW SOME GOOD OLE MANNERS AND BE CIVIL.

    Thank you very much.

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