The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – The Fundamental Right to Know

Jeff Cumberbatch – Chairman of the FTC and Deputy Dean, Law Faculty, UWI, Cave Hill

“Next to doing the right thing, the most important thing is to let people know you are doing the right thing”.John D. Rockefeller

The several guaranteed rights and freedoms in our Constitution are each directed towards a more substantial democratic existence for the individual citizen by the preservation of his or her dignity and autonomy. While those such as freedom of association and freedom of expression are perhaps integral to this thesis, no less so are the rights to freedom of movement and freedom of assembly, for examples. Each of these treats the individual as a person with an equal role to play in the construction of the on-going democratic experiment in which the country is engaged.

So that while the freedom of expression would permit the uncensored utterance of views antithetical to or in support of the official dogma, and while the freedom of association allows the individual to form alliances with those who he or she believes will advance their interests and to bring meaning to his or her life (autonomy); the rights to freedom of movement, to assembly and that not to be discriminated against regard the individual as a human being with the entitlement to be treated with respect and concern by the state (dignity).

Indeed, this point may be reinforced rather than weakened by the fact that these rights are not absolute through the injunction that restrains the state from infringing them unless the infringement is reasonably required in the public interest or reasonably justifiable or, as more pointedly stated in some regional Constitutions as “reasonably justifiable in a democratic society”.

In any future local constitutional reform however, it is my considered view that the democratic experiment may be further enhanced by the inclusion in the charter of another right or freedom, that of the right to know or, as it may be more familiarly styled, the right to freedom of information.

This right will permit the individual elector to be fully apprised of the reasons for governmental action and, to the extent that it will serve to treat the individual with the dignity and respect that should be accorded to a civic being in a democracy, it bears more than adequate comparison with the other existing fundamental rights.

What has occasioned this musing, you may ask. It all stems from last week’s column “Emergency powers and good governance” that analysed the official attempt to enact the Police (Amendment) Act 2018. Even though I did comment unfavourably on some aspects of the proposed legislation then, my greater concern was with the absence thitherto of any public disclosure by the current governing administration as to the contemporary necessity for these measures, a point buttressed during the past week in the speeches of some non-partisan members of the Upper Chamber of Parliament who called for more public consultation on the amendment. The need for explanation is also reinforced to some extent by the justificatory claim that the provided police powers already exist. If so, then the purported legislation would require even more public justification under the constitutional doctrine of occupied field, that is, that the matter is already and adequately provided for elsewhere.

Some claimed not to understand the subtlety of this argument. Inured to seeing most issues that might have the slightest element of partisan politics in black and white only, and since I had neither condemned the governing administration for its legislative intendment nor perhaps praised it, some commented that they could not decipher what argument I was trying to advance. If it needs restatement, it was simply this. The legislation is restrictive of civic entitlements and the citizen is in my view, entitled to know clearly why such legislation is reasonably required or is reasonably justifiable in our society at this time. And this is not as a matter of information only, but it also requires what I choose to call a “democratic conversation” in which the government will be obligated to listen to, consider seriously and cogently to counter any alternative views before having the legislation brought into force.

Some jurisdictions have enacted (or have promised to enact) freedom of information legislation in the form of an ordinary statute. It is doubtless an alluring electoral representation since it evinces an intention to enhance the dignity and autonomy of the individual citizen by having him or her becoming (or having the means of becoming) more informed about his or her democratic existence and thus a more useful citizen.

Under the current dispensation, the ordinary citizen is treated as a mere recipient of information that might be deemed worthy of official disclosure and is thus left to base his or her electoral choices on such trivial considerations as whether the candidate is perceived as particularly generous or has been seen in the constituency since the last general election or is rumoured to be deserving of a chance, whatever this last might mean.

This state of affairs belies the value of the vaunted educational system that is supposed to exist here. While true democracy does not demand that every citizen makes an intelligent electoral choice, it ought not to be the case that we should prove right Churchill’s pejorative tongue-in –cheek dictum that “the best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter”.

It would be gratifying to have the freedom of information statute enacted at least. However, I consider this civic entitlement as being of the very highest priority and am thus arguing that it should be identified rather as a fundamental obligation of the state to the citizen, a form of state action to be infringed in the public interest or where reasonably justifiable in our democratic society only.

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  • When all is said and done, this amendment has one goal and that is to keep the DLP in power. The police would be able to crack heads and shoot people as Ronald Jones suggested some time ago. POWER BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!

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  • Come off it Jeff….. you cannot be serious.

    There can be no ‘right of citizens’ to know the basis on which governmental decisions are made.
    We all know that such decisions are ALWAYS coloured by hidden agendas, secret deals, underhanded arrangements, and partisan objectives. It is therefore counter-intuitive to even think that in such a system, citizens can expect to EVER have any right to know these dastardly background motives.
    Why do you think PR specialists exists?

    What citizens have a right to do ….is to DEMAND ANSWERS to shiite decisions that ate taken in their name …and with THEIR money…… and to expect LOGICAL and reasoned answers…. failing which, to separate some political heads.

    What you are suggesting is that the brass bowl public has no responsibility in this – and that it is for the wolves to honestly explain to the sheep what they are about.

    If the stupid sheep do not get together and put some lashes in the wolves’ donkeys, then sheep will continue to be eaten, raped, trampled and discarded like the brass bowls that they seem to be.

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  • Did you watch CBC TV8’s lawyer program on Friday night where Hal Gollop, Guyson Mayers and Verla Depeiza explained and defended the amendments to the Police Act?

    CBC should have been a bit more balanced by inviting at least two lawyers from the Bar Association that expressed concerns about the Act, rather then having three known DLP lawyers (that would obviously support it).

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  • When has CBC ever been balanced and this query applies under either administration.

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  • @Bush Tea

    It is about transparency and good governance. Of course there is information that will never be right for public consumption but the protestation by Barbadians is for the basic information, never shared because successive governments like you alluded ignore the cry of the people. Yes we do make noise believe it or not.

    Take for example the Hyatt, fingerprinting bill, Cahill -in the face of loud protest this government barreled merrily along. What are ordinary people to do except name and shame these JAs who are of the view the political class is untouchable?

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  • That’s one of the reasons why I believe CBC should be privatized.

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  • @ David
    Bushie’s point is that this is a right that has to be DEMANDED and EXTRACTED by citizens.
    It is NOT to be ‘provided’ by the very politicians that want locking up.

    It is like what is being done to Trump as we speak. Not for HIM to be ‘open’, but for an independent AUTHORITY to investigate and get to the FACTS. If found to be in breech then his ass will be grass.

    This works in even the smallest of Cooperatives….which is why they work…
    An independent Supervisory Committee elected by, and representing the MEMBERS – has the power and authority to investigate ANY SHIITE that leaders do….. and then to SANCTION their donkeys if it is found that they indeed did shiite.

    To require that the leaders had this responsibility is naive – at the very least…..

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  • @Bush Tea

    It is meant to be a two way arrangement for the system of government to work as intended. Bear in mind politicians by design and expectation are expected to serve the public (selflessly)and therefore should be obligated to share information i.e. be as transparent as boundaries support. What we have are the wrong people standing for the jobs because of a system that needs reform?

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Immense pressure needs to be applied to stubborn, deceitful, selfish leaders to do the right thing by the people re Freedom of Information etc, they are too petty and small minded to do it on their own….they have a history of selfish, petty mindedness.

    The people must apply that pressure.

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  • Bear in mind politicians by design and expectation are expected to serve the public (selflessly)and therefore should be obligated to share information
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    You and your ‘out of this world’ optimism….
    If you start on a wrong premise there is NO WAY to end well.

    Politicians, like most brass bowls, can only be expected to serve THEIR OWN SELFISH interests…. (You MAY find one or two outliers….)
    Therefore, it is the PUBLIC’s responsibility to ENSURE that such selfish interests coincide with the public’s general interests.

    For example….
    A fellow has a selfish desire to be well known, rich, respected and influential….
    The society provides the opportunity to do all that –
    BUT requires that he also (in the process) achieves a number of SOCIAL objectives
    – OR that he must PAY A BIG PRICE for doing shiite.

    Anything else (in this demonic world in which we live) is brassbowlery….

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  • @Bush Tea

    You missed the point, the system does not support advocacy that moves change. There is no power of recall or similar avenues within our system to give teeth to citizen advocacy. This is why we are where we are in a battle of public opinion to force change. You see the enormous personal sacrifice Comissiong and a few others have to suffer to enforce rights hidden in our laws. The system does not support the citizens as you are saying.

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  • Bernard Codrington

    Between the submission and the interventions all the significant areas are covered.

    This Act was another distraction . If things proceed along this trajectory more will be coming. By the time the Election is called we will all suffer from mis-information overload and election fatigue. Expect increases in spoiled votes and stay- at- home protestors..

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  • What citizens have a right to do ….is to DEMAND ANSWERS to shiite decisions that ate taken in their name …and with THEIR money…… and to expect LOGICAL and reasoned answers…. failing which, to separate some political heads.

    @Bush Tea,perhaps I should blame the limits of my intellect, but does the right to demand answers already exist? And in any event why does one ask a non-rhetorical question except to know the answer. We need the right to know the answer entrenched and guaranteed in our supreme law…who says that the question will get an honest answer anyway?

    In fact you provide the answer yourself-
    We all know that such decisions are ALWAYS coloured by hidden agendas, secret deals, underhanded arrangements, and partisan objectives. It is therefore counter-intuitive to even think that in such a system, citizens can expect to EVER have any right to know these dastardly background motives.Why do you think PR specialists exists?

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  • The system we follow, Caswell refers to it as a parody of what should be- expects key groups in society to work in harmony to achieve optimal governance? The media, the haves, the have nots and the MEDIA.

    Think about it!

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  • Ultimately, unless there is to be civil disobedience, the matter will have to be adjudicated in the courts. There, it will be a question of rights and duties, unless the administration is obliged to answer to the satisfaction of an impartial adjudicator, then the right to demand answers is a “brutum fulmen” (a will o’ the wisp)

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  • @ Jeff
    Ultimately, unless there is to be civil disobedience
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    Both David and yourself are missing the FUNDAMENTAL point.
    There is NO SUCH THING as civil disobedience. The voice of the people is the voice of god.

    What that means is that the ultimate High Court is the voice of the people. If the people COLLECTIVELY rise up against anything or anyone (as was done with the big march of the Unions and Private Sector) then THAT is the voice of god – the highest court of the land.

    Because of defeatist attitudes such as yours and David’s, we then seem to expect that it is for the shiite politicians to ‘grant us’ our rights.

    Brass bowls are ALWAYS begging.

    The Union leaders and Private sector FAILED the country by not pressing home the advantage THERE and THEN….
    The WHOLE place should have been shut down till the idiots in parliament went home – and then they should ALL have been prosecuted in court for CLICO, CAHILL, BWA and the Speaker jailed.

    It is not Froon and Stinkliar’s fault that they have been allowed to continue to shit on Barbados …after Bajans responded to that march…..
    It is the collective fault of people who all seem to think like Jeff and David – that we are beggars – awaiting crumbs from shiitehound politicians, and unable to do anything more than HOPE that some messiah comes and saves our sorry donkeys someday….

    Pathetic….!!
    This is the difference between people …and brass bowls.

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    Bernard..exactly…government ministers are working every lie, every deceit to change the narrative, it will take tremendous will and massive brain power to beat back those determined demons.

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  • The voice of the people is the voice of god.

    The same brass bowls to whom you constantly refer?

    What that means is that the ultimate High Court is the voice of the people. If the people COLLECTIVELY rise up against anything or anyone (as was done with the big march of the Unions and Private Sector) then THAT is the voice of god – the highest court of the land.

    @ Bush Tea, you are a romanticist, if nothing else. Could you tell us of the effectiveness of that “big march”, as you call it. I notice that you wrote god with a lowercase “g”. He, she or it must have a very small voice indeed!

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  • Artax February 11, 2018 at 8:11 AM #

    That’s one of the reasons why I believe CBC should be privatized. (Quote)

    The idiocy of social media. Privatise a broadcaster because of an editorial mistake (oversight) on a single programme. Or is it the last straw? Grow up.

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  • @Bush Tea

    We will have to disagree with the basis of your argument. Ensconced in how stable societies operate is that there is a healthy respect for law and order. The process is to force laws to be amended in the national interest through various avenues. What we have is a class of people who have been allowed to hijack the system and this has led to widespread apathy and disengagement by key players in civil society. To continue as we must to continually bash the political class and give the others a pass is flawed. Do we have groups and people in our society willing to stand in-front the proverbial tank? Do we have politicians on either side willing to resign on principle or vote conscience? Do we have rich and prominent others willing to take public positions in the national interest? Do you get the point?

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    if the government had applied as much energy into maintaining the islands infrastructure and economy as they are now applying as a collective unit to retain power, there would be no degraded infrastructure or destroyed economy now blighting the island.

    they spent 10 years misusing positive energy and now got the nerve to use what they got on reserve to retain power.

    it can only happen if the electorate is too dumbed down to function.

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  • Jeff
    ‘The voice of god’ …that is just a saying – which means that ultimately, the people’s collective will is what carries the day.

    If the people are brass bowls, that that collective will is one of mendicancy, and the result will be poverty, despair and shiite flowing freely on the streets.

    The ‘Big march’ was effective in saying that the people are fed up. The lack of effective follow-up says that the people are brass bowls – which Bushie has long identified.

    The voice of God is and altogether different thing….. and when the voice of god speaks to brassbowlery and unrighteousness, …then you can be assured that the “voice of God” will speak with tone of Karma…..

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  • Jeff

    You called Bushie a romanticist. Nothing romantic about him, just a cyst – a cyst on the backside, and more recently, a cyst on Georgie Porgie’s backside.

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  • Do we have groups and people in our society willing to stand in-front the proverbial tank?
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    It is YOU who are missing the point.

    If we are unwilling to stand for right, then we deserve all that we get.
    Standing for right could well mean ‘civil disobedience’….

    CLICO was shiite – yet we waited around for YEARS and then accept a promise from the same thieves to turn to a new company with even less creditability for comfort….

    David C has shown what can be done by an individual.
    Everyone else just call for others to stand up…

    The answer to your question then is NO…. and THIS is our problem.

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  • @ Caswell
    “Phantom is rough on roughnecks.”

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  • *You called Bushie a romanticist. Nothing romantic about him, just a cyst – a cyst on the backside, and more recently, a cyst on Georgie Porgie’s backside.”

    Elegantly funny, Caswell! Or as the young people say, BOOM!

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  • Bushie, David, Jeff

    Bushie you still believe the foolishness that the voice of the people is that of any god

    Why should the people give up rights only to beg for them constantly?

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  • RE Jeff Cumberbatch February 11, 2018 at 10:13 AM #
    *You called Bushie a romanticist. Nothing romantic about him, just a cyst – a cyst on the backside, and more recently, a cyst on Georgie Porgie’s backside.”

    HE IS NOT A CYST ON MY BACKSIDE………CAUSE I AM ENJOYING THE PEACE THAT PASSETH UNDERSTANDING LIKE NEVER BEFORE

    HE IS LIKE HIS FATHER THE DEVIL……A NASTY STINKING LIAR FROM THE BEGINING c.f JOhn 8:44

    ALSO HE IS WORST THAN A CYST ON THE BACKSIDE HE IS MORE LIKE AN ANO RECTAL FISTULA!

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  • @ GP, These were Caswell’s words @ 10:03 am , not mine.

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  • ok Sir but he is still AN ANO RECTAL FISTULA!

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  • Hal Austin February 11, 2018 at 9:51 AM #

    “The idiocy of social media. Privatise a broadcaster because of an editorial mistake (oversight) on a single programme. Or is it the last straw? Grow up.”

    Hal Austin

    Rather than focusing on me, you should focus your efforts on recovering the $1,000 your wife lost buying the time share in Divi Southwinds.

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  • Hal Austin is pure entertainment.

    David BU wrote: “David February 11, 2018 at 8:04 AM #: When has CBC EVER BEEN BALANCED and this query applies UNDER EITHER ADMINISTRATION.”

    ………..which I interpret to mean both BLP and DLP administrations continue to use CBC for their political advantage.

    I responded to David BU’s comment: “That’s one of the reasons why I believe CBC should be privatized.”

    And the jackass Hal Austin wrote: “Privatise a broadcaster because of AN editorial mistake (oversight) on a SINGLE programme. Or is it the last straw? Grow up.”

    Mr. Austin, surely you must realize that your above comment does not have any relevance to the “discussion” between David BU and I.

    You are being childish as usual……..perhaps it’s you who needs to “grow up.”

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  • Artax February 11, 2018 at 10:58 AM #
    surely you must realize that your above comment does not have any relevance to the “discussion” between David BU and I.

    YOU DO REALIZE THAT THIS IS THE NORM ON BU..DO YOU?

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  • @Bushie

    DC is an outlier for the reasons we have discussed many times.

    Recommended reading of Ezra Alleyne article in today’s a Sunday Sun titled ‘Cabinet remains intact’.

    Note your man Comissiong is on the Sunday talk show today advocating against the amendment to the police act.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Lots of rather counter intuitive arguments today, if one accepts the Churchiilan wisdom as noted by @Jeff…. democracy rises and falls on the verdict of each one of us.

    Yes of course freedom in info is paramount and needed sans of course national security or other confidential matters of state but as the Dean said otherwise are there not some measure of occupied field type depth of info probing in place now.

    There is that auditor gen report…there is questioning allowed of govt in the House and Senate, particularly by supposedly independent citizens no less.

    And of course as Commissiong has reminded us there are the courts.

    Yet ultimately it’s still the avg Bajan. If we remain dissatisfied with the info provided then vote OUT the various vagabonds .

    I have yet to find a more effective built-in constitutional remedy of recall.

    Oh BTW @Artax how does privatizing a schewed govt media Corp ensure it does not become a schewed private media Corp.

    How many here lambasted the Nation as partisan or indeed the Advocate. How many call CNN biased…and let’s not touch the Murdock owned Fox.

    Again to cite the Dean, we need to use that vaunted education and recognize bias for what it is and go seek alternatives opinions for our OWN sense of balance….just as we need to accept when pols are restricting our freedoms and info to serve THEIR needs only and go seek NEW representatives.

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  • Suggestion:

    Sell CBC to Cow and Bizzy and leh we see wuh dey do wid um………….

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Lots of rather counter intuitive arguments today, if one accepts the Churchiilan wisdom as noted by @Jeff…. that democracy rises and falls on the verdict of each one of us.

    Yes of course freedom of info is paramount and needed sans of course national security or other confidential matters of state but as the Dean said otherwise, are there not some forms of occupied field type info probing in place now.

    There is that auditor gen report…there is questioning allowed of govt in the House and Senate, particularly by supposedly independent citizens no less.

    And of course as Commissiong has reminded us there are the courts…. this one hopes combats @Jeff wry remark on whether we can actually believe what we are told…like I did not have sex with that woman, or I never saw those documents (possibly forged signature ?).

    So ultimately it’s still the avg Bajan who controls the show. If we remain dissatisfied with the info provided then vote OUT the various vagabonds .

    I have yet to find a more effective built-in constitutional remedy of recall.

    Oh BTW @Artax how does privatizing a schewed govt media Corp ensure it does not become a schewed private media Corp.

    How many here lambasted the Nation as partisan or indeed the Advocate. How many call CNN biased…and let’s not touch the Murdock owned Fox.

    Again to cite the Dean, we need to use that vaunted education and recognize bias for what it is and go seek alternatives opinions for our OWN sense of balance….just as we need to accept when pols are restricting our freedoms and info to serve THEIR needs only and go seek NEW representatives.

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  • NOT A BAD IDEA WILLIAM

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    stupid suggestion, selling to wannabe slave masters and parasites, next thing ya hear they will want loans from NIS pension and treasury to keep CBC in the dark ages, because they believe they are entitled…dont you fools ever learn.

    you sell the entity that has forward thinking, progressive ideas with a Caribbean theme…go will not need NIS pension or taxpayers money..

    stop encouraging the 2 dying parasites cow and bzzy.

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    you sell TO the entity that has forward thinking, progressive ideas with a Caribbean theme…WHO will not need NIS pension or taxpayers money..

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  • Isn’t there a role for government own media? We need not muddy the issue of CBC with political and emotional claptrap.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax how does privatizing a schewed govt media Corp ensure it does not become a schewed private media Corp.

    How many here lambasted the Nation as partisan or indeed the Advocate. How many call CNN biased…and let’s not touch the Murdock owned Fox.

    More broadly, lots of rather counter intuitive arguments today, when one accepts the Churchiilan wisdom as noted by @Jeff…. that democracy rises and falls on the verdict of each one of us.

    Yes @Bushtea of course freedom of info is paramount and needed sans of course national security or other confidential matters of state but as the Dean said otherwise, there are some types
    of occupied field info probes in place now.

    There is that auditor gen report…there is questioning allowed of govt in the House and Senate, particularly by supposedly independent citizens no less.

    And of course as Commissiong has reminded us there are the courts…. this one I suspect combats @Jeff wry remark on whether we can actually believe what we are told 😀…like I did not have sex with that woman, or I never saw those documents (possibly forged signature ?).

    So ultimately it’s still the avg Bajan who controls the show. If we remain dissatisfied with the info provided then vote OUT the various vagabonds .

    I have yet to find a more effective built-in constitutional remedy of recall.

    So to again cite the Dean, we need to use that vaunted education and recognize bias in news for what it is and go seek alternatives opinions for our OWN sense of balance….just as we need to accept when biased pols are restricting our freedoms and info to serve THEIR needs only and go seek NEW representatives to rebalance our selves.

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    why am i not surprised at GP…then yall complain that the island is regressing, how can it progress with those who promote a consistent diet of allowing known thieves to decide what the majority population see and hear, causing the island to regress even further..

    yall are repulsive.

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  • RE Isn’t there a role for government own media?

    YES IF IT WORKS AND IS FAIR AND BALANCED………..PERHAPS THIS IS AN OXY MORON

    BUT THE WILLIAMS WOULD PROBABLY GET IT TO WORK

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    David please employ your edit pen …keep the last lengthy post …it duplicates the earlier one.

    Posting difficulties today. Thnx.

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  • @ Pacha
    Bushie you still believe the foolishness that the voice of the people is that of any god
    Why should the people give up rights only to beg for them constantly?
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    Don’t let yourself down because of your paranoia about the word ‘god’.
    We are saying the identical thing.

    That ‘saying’ is just a fancy way of saying that ultimately, the people are responsible for their own fate. If they choose to pass that responsibility on to a set of politicians and sit around like mendicant bowls, then thus is the voice of the people.

    If they decide that RIGHTEOUSNESS is paramount – and even build a guillotine to reinforce that stance….then thus is the voice of the people.

    @ David.
    Perhaps an analogy will assist…

    Bushie decides to hire a maid to keep the Bush-home clean (well OK, six maids 🙂 ) and put an advert in the newspapers.

    Dozens of potential maids turn up for interview and they all promise wonderful service.

    Bushie hires ‘Froonie’ and ‘Stinkliee’ on a one year contract, and by week 5, it is clear that the driver can’t drive, the cook can’t cook and the one Stinklee don’t even understand decimals…
    Furthermore, these morons start rearranging the Bush house to suit their white friends….
    Next thing yuh know – the toilet overflowing ….and the place look stink…

    What would YOU do if you were Bushie…?
    ….plead with them to share information with you?
    …wait for the year to pass and hope you still have a house?
    …wait until they hand everything over to their white friends and their mother’s account?

    Or would you break out the good old glock (guillotine) like Bushie…?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler February 11, 2018 at 11:11 AM #

    “Oh BTW @Artax how does privatizing a schewed govt media Corp ensure it does not become a schewed private media Corp.
    How many here lambasted the Nation as partisan or indeed the Advocate. How many call CNN biased…and let’s not touch the Murdock owned Fox.”

    de pedantic Dribbler

    Interesting comments….oh wise one.

    Perhaps you are COMFORTABLE that we have a situation where both BLP and DLP administrations have been using CBC, a state owned entity, to push their political agendas………. at the EXPENSE of Barbadian tax payers.

    Approximately 45 minutes of CBC TV8 Evening News is dedicated to spreading DLP political propaganda. CBC’s resources are deployed to cover DLP events, including their annual conferences……….a privilege that is not extended to the other political parties.

    And who ultimately pays for this? The Barbadians tax payers.

    I also recall that the DLP (the political) being indebted to CBC in the amount of $109,609……something I’m sure they would not risk with the privately owned OCM.

    So what if CBC “becomes a schewed private media Corp?” At least I would be comfortable knowing I don’t have to pay for it.

    And yes……the Nation, Advocate, CNN and FOX News are “lambasted as partisan.” But at whose expense? Surely not the tax payers. (Unless you know something I don’t know).

    However, I have a choice to spend my money how I want to…..obviously, I would buy the Advocate if it appeals to my “political likings,” or if I love Donald Trump, I would obviously forego the other stations and watch FOX News.

    But……dpD……you dun know I are uh idiot and are perhaps viewing de situation from uh idiot’s point of view.

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  • David February 11, 2018 at 11:40 AM #

    “Isn’t there a role for government own media? We need not muddy the issue of CBC with political and emotional claptrap.”

    David BU

    Could you please indicate how “the issue of CBC is being muddied with political and emotional claptrap?”

    The state owned Government Information Service (GIS) is also used to push the political agendas of the BLP & DLP.
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    Georgie Porgie February 11, 2018 at 11:45 AM #

    “RE Isn’t there a role for government own media?”

    “YES IF IT WORKS AND IS FAIR AND BALANCED………..PERHAPS THIS IS AN OXY MORON….”

    Georgie Porgie

    Well written!!!

    I rest my case.

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  • @Artax

    This is where the debate about government own media house gets ‘curiouser’.

    There is information in the public interest that private owners of media will not disseminate as required.

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    Not my fault if you do not recognise sarcasm. The point is that with all this talk about privatisation and how great the private sector is and how poor the public sector is, why don’t we sell everything to our former masters and see wuh happen. Sarcasm again. Hope you spot um this time !!!

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  • Wait @ GP

    How come you not in church brainwashing the old morons about your joke doctrines?

    Don’t tell Bushie that some of your bible class read BU, and having realised that, not only do you not know squat about the bible, but that your mouth needs a good rinse with clorox and soap…. fired your donkey from the teaching pick in de church?

    LOL
    ha ha ha

    Now if David were to ban your donkey for a while from BU …..
    what would you do for self-esteem?

    Oh WAIT….
    Cuss Bushie …..cause he got eva thing that you ever dreamed of having….?
    ….and he knows eva thing that you ever dreamed of knowing…?

    LOL
    Murda!!!

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  • Bush Tea wrote “Cuss Bushie …..cause he got eva thing ….and he knows eva thing.”

    At long last Bushie admits that “he knows eva thing”.

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  • At long last Bushie admits that “he knows eva thing”.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Never said that Hants

    Check again…. Bushie said that is why GP will cuss Bushie…..

    Bushie does NOT know everything, but knows someone (personally) who does….
    So answers come easily…. 🙂

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax, just as you have free will to affirm that “However, I have a choice to spend my money how I want to…..obviously, I would buy the Advocate if it appeals to my “political likings,” or if I love Donald Trump, I would obviously forego the other stations and watch FOX News.”….

    You surely have the free will to label yourself ”
    ……you dun know I are uh idiot..”.,😂

    You offer sterling commentary otherwise so I dun know yu smart…

    I’ll leave all other interpretation about you to YOU. Knock yourself out.

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  • Bush Tea February 11, 2018 at 12:22 PM #
    Wait @ GP

    RE Don’t tell Bushie that some of your bible class read BU,
    NOW TELL ME WHY WOULD MY CHURCH MEMBERS READ THE SHITE ON BU? WHY?

    RE having realised that, not only do you not know squat about the bible,ACCORDING TO YOU ONLY
    fired your donkey from the teaching pick in de church?

    HOW COULD THEY FIRE ME FROM A TEACHING PICK THAT I DO NOT HAVE. IDIOT.
    DID YOUR DADDY THE DEVIL TELL YOU I HAVE A TEACHING PICK? WELL HE LIE.
    DOES YOUR DADDY THE DEVIL NOT KNOW THAT OUR CHURCH GROUP HAS NO PAID TEACHERS OR CHURCH LEADERS?

    RE Now if David were to ban your donkey for a while from BU …..
    what would you do for self-esteem?
    WHAT DID I DO BEFORE BU?

    BU IS A SOURCE OF RELIEVING BOREDOM WHEN THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL CRICKET TO WATCH OR WHEN THERE IS NO GOOD TELEVISION TO WATCH
    IT IS PURE ENTERTAINMENT

    ..cause he got eva thing that you ever dreamed of having….? DONT KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE THAT I DREAMED OF HAVING OR KNOWING

    I AM VERY CONTENT AND “RUNNING WITH PATIENCE THE RACE THAT IS SET BEFORE ME” AND SEEKING ONLY TO KNOW HIM and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.en, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    William…ah know some of yall still brainwashed sheeple are dead serious about allowing wannabe slavemasters and thieves to rule the lives of the majority population on the island and their present and future generations..

    ……it is very difficult to take what some of you say as tongue cheek…too many like pimping for minorities without a care for the wellbeing of the majority population.

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  • Bushie

    Yours are a heap of internal contradictions.

    You can’t on one hand argue that 99.9999% of people are brassbowls, and we agree.

    And on the other contend that these brassbowls are some voice of a god of magical thinking. A god created by man.

    Then you go on to rightly state the influence of marketing, public relations. Its ability to make brassbowls believe anything. Leaving out that the biggest pack of lies ever told was no more than mass propaganda.

    All of these are highly incompatible.

    And this so-called god consciousness holds no fear for us.

    So sure are we that it is a fiction that we would be willing to recognize you, Bush Tea, as God Almighty.

    Certainly, if the voice of the people is that of ‘god’, then Bushie like any one of us is a god. But to corrupt perfectly sound logic with magical thinking and the presence of a BBE must certainly be the work of your devil, no?

    Only that in your abject ignorance you will then demure.

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  • Pachamama February 11, 2018 at 2:14 PM
    fOR YEARS YOU HAVE COME HERE AND SAID UNKIND THINGS ABOUT GOD & THE BIBLE, BUT NOW YOU HAVE GONE TO FAR! SIR WHEN YOU SUGGEST THAT we would be willing to recognize you, Bush Tea, as God Almighty. AND Bushie like any one of us is a god.

    BUSHIE IS ACTUALLY AN ARIAN SON OF SATAN HIMSELF.
    HE IS THE DEVIL INCARNATE

    YOU AND MILLER DOES TALK UNKIND THINGS ABOUT GOD & THE BIBLE, BUT BUSHTEA PRETENDS TO HAVE A FORM OF GODLINESS…BUT DENIES THE POWER THEREOF! HE IS THE DEVIL INCARNATE!

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  • Unkind!

    We give not a fuck whether they are unkimd or not

    Are they true? And can that truth be independently proven beyond a shadow of doubt.

    That is the basis on which we make judgements.

    Christians like you have for too long expected and continue to expect people not buying into your shiiite must still pay fealty, still

    Last week this writer was in a court and refused to take a Christian oath and was prepared to go to raaasooooul jail, if necessary. We merely promised to tell the court the truth and argued with a Christian judge. And refused his entreaties several times. He was adamant and so were we.

    This war on western Christendom will not cease until the furnaces are boiling over.

    And our divine judgement does not come under the preview of your fictitious White god

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  • LOL @ Pacha

    When we of “the voice of the people being the voice of god” …. it is NOT the voice of God as in BBE.
    The saying (or truism) that ‘the voice of the people is the voice of god’ has NOTHING to do with the bible, or with GOD, or god – (white or otherwise), or any such religiosity.

    IT ONLY means the collective will of the people, which should be the determining factor in their fate….IF they are “real real” people indeed.
    It is why a people always get exactly what they deserve. If 99.9% are brass bowls then it is only obvious what they will get …(and if it was NOT obvious, just look at Barbados…)

    So can you kindly stop cussing Bushie (and even GP)
    We are saying the same thing.

    …on second thoughts, feel free to cuss GP….

    Yuh got Busie here wondering what you were doing in court…
    Did they catch you in the process of building a Guillotine …?

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  • Bushie

    You are the only ‘body’ in this world with whom we are prepared to engage on these issues.

    Though we are unlikely to ever agree on the critical matter/s you have distinguished yourself as a holy man who is not an idiot, like the rest – Georgie Porgie el al

    For the sake or argument, let’s say your point is valid. It does have some credence with us,

    Then you will still have to explain an ethos where ‘the voice of god’, the people, give up their rights to a man like stinking Donald Trump, who your co-religionist Georgie Porgie has said was appointed by god, explain how such a godly voice has been kept in eternal subjugation by nearly every leader to walk this earth.

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  • Bushie

    A court thing is just a civil matter, a counter suit.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Georgie Porgie February 11, 2018 at 2:38 PM
    “YOU AND MILLER DOES TALK UNKIND THINGS ABOUT GOD & THE BIBLE, BUT BUSHTEA PRETENDS TO HAVE A FORM OF GODLINESS…BUT DENIES THE POWER THEREOF! HE IS THE DEVIL INCARNATE!”

    So you want the miller’s son to believe in a man-made mock god called Yahweh which is not only a incompetent failure by making a defective being called mankind but also a mass murderer?

    Why would you want the miller to worship a mass murderer that makes the likes of the child killer King Herod, Herr Hitler and Pol Pot look like loving babies in their mothers’ arms?

    The only GOD the miller believes in and worships is the ‘LIGHT’ of GAIA. The source of all life on Her.

    God commanding Moses to kill:
    “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

    Kill everything that “breathes” from humans and animals! Deuteronomy 20:16

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    This government is very callous and hateful of its own people, I know there has been some tension between Douglas Trotman and others, but it appears this government has no soul.

    I did hear Adriel Nitwit downright refused to even discuss medical marijuana as it pertains to treating those, like Trotman’s wife who is in dire need because her cancer has returned, although Adriel Nitwit said something completely different in the nation newspaper last year.

    when people got prescriptions from their doctors and tried to order the medical marijuana through the drug service as Adriel Nitwit advised, they were told they did not know anything about that….

    …..not many people can just move to marijuana friendly countries, am fortunate I can pick up and roll up to North America anytime and access necessary treatment, most cannot.

    Another reason not to reelect this government.

    The Nitwit Adriel AG is very deceitful and a liar.

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  • @ Pacha
    Then you will still have to explain an ethos where ‘the voice of god’, the people, give up their rights to a man like stinking Donald Trump, who your co-religionist Georgie Porgie has said was appointed by god,
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Bushie already explained that ethos. The people are brass bowls. They are driven by selfish, materialistic greed and would give up their rights to the Devil himself if offered the right bribes.
    Just like many Bajans will still vote for either the DLP or BLP – two shiite parties that have brought us to the brink of chaos and poverty….

    …also Georgie Porgie is NOT Bushie’s “co-religionist”. He is just a fraud who seeks to defend a bunch of stupid religious doctrines that he TOTALLY does not understand; Cannot defend; and which makes NO logical sense to anyone – including him…

    Bushie is just an innocent ex-brass-bowl – who was adopted by extra terrestrials (who happen to have designed and created everything that we know) and was handed a big-ass whacker…. which used to wuk sweet as shiite yuh… 🙂

    LOL…
    GP thinks that God put Trump there to accelerate his treasured ‘end times’ ..when he expects to be ‘raptured’ …and go off somewhere to enjoy milk and honey and sing hymns and watch cricket for ever and ever….

    But in fact, Trump is president for the same reason that Mia will put women in charge of eva shiite bout here when she is elected…. cause top leaders always put their disciples in positions of influence when they tek over…

    Satan running things on this earth now ….and his demons (like Trump and Froon) licking cork…..

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  • Preach Bushie! Preach!

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  • We have decided to open a church, as a business

    If Bushie and Miller would act as principal pastors or god ‘themselves’ if they prefer. LOL

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  • There seems to be a minority of person against the bill. I’ve read Commisiong comments and beyond the lack of public consultation I am not certain what he is on about.

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  • Adrian the issue is that the COP with the AG can arbitrarily shutdown an area. Also after the Act as proposed is invoked there is no opportunity for anybody on the ground to exercise discretion.

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  • Even at this time of great distress that crazy man can still make me laugh. Bushie, thanks man. I needed that. Sorry it was your expense, gp.

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  • Still laughing.

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  • Adrian Hinds, glad to see you back. Are you still in Mass?

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  • Donna February 11, 2018 at 9:54 PM #
    they once mocked and scoffed at Jesus too
    but now we sing things like
    LORD ENTHRONED IN HEAVENLY SPLENDOR……AND
    JESUS IN THY HEAVENLY TEMPLE….AND
    THE HEAD THAT ONCE WAS CROWNED WITH THORNE…AND WE READ IN HEBREWS 4,,,,,,,,,THERE REMAINS A REST FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD…AND IN 1 THESSALONIANS 4
    But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

    14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    AND IN 1 CORINTHIANS 15:51 ET SECQ

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    It will be difficult for some to understand the ramifications of a Bill that violates their rights, the constitution etc, until they, their children or grandchildren are scooped up by police and beaten, shot to death, or set up with drugs and guns and imprisoned innocently, then reality will sink in.

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  • Word Press should do like Facebook and add other types of buttons … “Like” is not enuff… Ha ha ha Some of these jackasses too blasted funny . MURDA

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  • HERE IS SOMETHING TO LAUGH ABOUT FRIENDS

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  • Talking Loud Saying Nothing

    Jeff,

    I have always said that we need to study and learn from those smaller countries that are governed well.

    ” Principle of transparency
    Finland has had a freedom of information act, stating that everyone has a right not just to access government documents but to copy them, since 1766. Documents are public unless ruled otherwise. Restrictions to the general rule must be legislated by parliament, and refusal to make documents public can be challenged in the courts. ”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/12/finlands-10-great-innovations

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/12/safe-happy-and-free-does-finland-have-all-the-answers

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  • @TLSN, precisely!

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  • Talking Loud Saying Nothing

    Thanks Jeff. It is a pity that you do not reference other countries when you write your weekly columns. Barbados is a backwards country and Barbadians need to be aware of this. By referencing other countries and giving examples you will open the minds of your fellow Bajans in the vain hope that they will pressure their leaders to adopt credible and valid foreign systems and ideas which may be suitable for Barbados.

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