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Introduction

Elton ‘Elombe’ Mottley

As we celebrated our 50th Anniversary, the question came to my mind about where will we be in the next 50 years? Even tho I ask myself this question, I am not expecting that my imagination can provide you with concrete images of what that culture will be. I don’t intend to even try, but what I would like to do is offer you a framework of ideas to consider.

Barbados is an island of 166 square miles sitting in the middle of a sea with our nearest neighbour 100 miles away. We are not on the beaten path. Any one coming to Barbados has to have a purpose. Can we create a purpose or several purposes to make it worth the while for people from wherever to step off that beaten path and fly or sail to Barbados? When they do, how can we persuade them to pay us for that privilege? What do we as Bajans have that has the power to make Barbados such a desirable destination?

Let us look at what we have that we think are unique:

  • Our beaches. Not at all unique. Everybody got beaches. But if they come our beaches are a bonus not a reason.
  • Our weather. Not unique either. Everybody got weather. But if they come our weather is a bonus not a reason.
  • Our environment. Not unique either. Everybody got environment, some with rivers, trees, pristine agricultural lands, golf courses. But if they come our pristine environment is a bonus not a reason.
  • Our people. Not unique either. Everybody got people. But if they come we must be the reason not a bonus.

What do we have that would create the reason and desire for visitors to step off the beaten track?

There was a time when cricket attracted the world because of the quality of our cricketers. In 1966, we had 10 players in the West Indies Test Team. We played cricket between houses, on raw ground, and on hillsides where the umpire had to tell the batsman that the bowler was coming up. The game has changed but have we changed? Partially. Franklyn Stevenson is showing one way it is done with his cricket school.

In order to survive as an independent country, we must sell the world

  • The pleasure of knowledge, health, caring, happiness and blissfulness by creating a desire for non Bajans to want to remain or go and come back again, and again. We will rent them that time to be with us. That rental is a combination of accommodation, food, transportation, entertainment and service. We must be the landlords.
  • Barbados as the center of education and health across the internet to the world – websites mastering social media as businesses to sell Barbados as the center of Education. ( e.g. Airbnb)

Barbados must develop the reputation across the Caribbean as having the best education and health systems in the Caribbean. If it isn’t so, let us make it so. Our goal is to market Barbados as BARBADOSThe CENTER for EDUCATION in the Americas.

EDUCATION INDUSTRY

BARBADOS – The CENTER for EDUCATION

UNIVERITIES

Our goal should be to have 10-15 Universities based in Barbados by 2025. A major part of this number should be Medical, Law, and Religious Universities.

MEDICAL SCHOOLS

  • When the new hospital is built, it will continue to have a relationship with UWI – Cave Hill.
  • The Old (60 year) Queen Elizabeth Hospital should be leased to one of the Medical Schools to be refurbished and used as a teaching hospital and school.
  • The Old General Hospital on Jemmott’s Lane should also be leased to another Medical School.
  • St Joseph Hospital in St Peter should also be leased to another Medical School.
  • The Psychiatric Hospital (Jenkins, Black Rock) occupies 25 acres and can also be leased to a Medical School. Modern Psychiatric centres should be established for psychiatric patients across the island. Alternately, this facility because of its location could be used as the location for the new National General Hospital with enough space to expand the UWI Medical School (Including nursing). UWI would most likely to get accreditation, a very important status for Caribbean Medical Schools – technicians, veterinary medicine, pharmaceutics, medical sciences, etc.

RELIGIOUS COLLEGES

  • Codrington College (600+ acres) should be developed into the Barbados International Spiritual University. It has already expanded as a University of Christian Thought by training members of other Christian churches.
  • Inviting the Chinese to establish and build a Confucius Institute to teach Chinese religions and philosophical thought and language.(Already being built at UWI- Cave Hill Campus.)
  • Inviting the Japanese/South Korea similarly establish a Buddhist, Zen, South Asian Religious College.
  • Inviting Saudis and Iranians to build Islamic Colleges.
  • Invite the International Jewish community to build a Centre for Jewish Studies especially recognizing the first Jewish Synagogue in the Americas in Bridgetown.
  • Inviting India to construct a Hindu College as well as other Indian religions.
  • Invite Nigeria and other African States to build an African Religions Centre to study African traditional religions and religious thought.

BARBADOS UNIVERSITY

1. COMMUNITY COLLEGE

Extended training in the Fine Arts –

o Animation

o Art

o Design

o Music

o Dance

o Theatre

o Film Production

o Fashion

o Web design

o Critical analysis

· Accounting

· Management

· Project Management

· Other traditional areas

SAMUEL JACKMAN PRESCOD POLYTECHNIC

  • Extended training of Craftsmen in joinery and reproduction of Bajan furniture for export.
  • All students in wood-working stream would be required to individually or as teams reproduce a piece of traditional furniture, or sets in order to graduate.
  • Training of wide range of technical graduates in maintenance and construction.
  • Medical technologists and maintenance of highly sophisticated technologies.

ERDISTON TEACHERS COLLEGE

  • Training is use of new technologies
  • Training how to use of proverbs to establish values

PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOLS FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS

Barbados has had a number of private secondary schools for over 70 years viz.

The Barbados Academy, The Modern High School, The Federal High School, Mapp’s High School, St Winnifred’s High School, St Cyprian’s, (Green) Lynch’s Secondary, St Ursula’s Secondary, The Co-operative High School, Seventh Day Adventist High School, Callender’s High School, Metropolitan High School, Christ Church High School, and Codrington High School.

  • Barbados should encourage the use of many of the old plantation estates to establish private accredited high schools with or without boarding for local and foreign students to pursue the International Baccalaureate (IB) program.
  • Provide access to foreign students thru accredited schools, especially South and Central American students to access our High Schools so as to be immersed in English while boarding at former South Coast hotels converted into hostels.

SPORTS AND LIFE STYLE INSTITUTES

  • Education opportunities – coaching in sports, health farms, health spas and related rehabilitation services to develop talents of Bajans
  • Develop support services such as volunteers for the development of Sports in Primary, Secondary and National meetings.
  • UWI and its Institutes must conduct research aimed at encouraging new businesses that can be developed on the internet, in marketing of our music, artistic and cultural industries outlining the types of jobs and services required and existing Worldwide. This would include festivals that could hire our artistes to perform as professionals during the summer and fall. We need to capitalize on the Rhianna Effect.
  • Barbadians should also be encouraged to develop and practice the art of Sticklicking and Road Tennis.

HERITAGE

HERITAGE AND GENERAL NATIONAL EDUCATION

  • To strengthen the moral authority and respect for people, Barbadian students should be taught proverbs as training tools from preschool to the end of their secondary schooling.
  • NIFCA – the platform for exposing our youth to the arts, should emphasize its developmental role by establishing competition first at all primary schools where other students, teachers, family and friends could see their children’s works.
  • The winners in each category will go to the Parish level where they compete again and the winners next to the National Level. This process would also allow parents and friends to once again follow the children’s work and successes at all levels.
  • The finals would consist of those winners from the Parish level.
  • Parents and teachers would be encouraged to be judges alongside National judges who in their deliberations would raise the knowledge base of the parents, friends and the community at large thru the discussions.
  • The establishment of a series of voluntary National Orchestras and choirs to perform in public regularly at the National Bandstands – The Hastings Rocks, The Bay Street Esplanade, Queen’s Park, George V Park, Speightstown Esplanade and other areas. The purpose is to re-develop a solid heritage of musicians to enhance the quality of life in Barbados. We did it all before with Church Choirs and Village Choirs.

LANDSHIP

One of the critical requirements for Bajans is the need to strengthen our own self-awareness and self-esteem of what and who is a Bajan. The Barbados Landship Movement is unique to Barbados and gives us the singular identity second to none. The survival of the Landship Movement must be part of our National Identity. Without it we have a face without a nose.

The only country that has a Landship Movement is Barbados. Landship for adults will die out because most of the communal conditions e.g. savings and burial benefits have been replaced by National Insurance and individual insurance. This unique Bajan indigenous institution should not be allowed to die. It must be recreated and reimaged as an organization in Primary Schools to inculcate several traditional values from the Original Landship plus. We had no qualms of introducing Boy Schools, Girl Guides, Church Lad Brigades, Mother Unions and Cadet Corps because it was mandated by the British Government. All of these organizations required discipline, cooperation, and development of leadership skills

The Landship Movement should be converted into a youth movement like the Boy Scouts or Girl Guides or cadets to maintain this unique aspect of Bajan Culture. These youth Landships would become crucibles of this traditional dance and its musical heritage. Competitions with each other in a series of categories will be organized annually.

The former Barbados National Bank, now Republic Bank, had developed a business program for students that can be incorporated into this Landship Movement. This program can be used to teach money management and savings culture.

CARTS CULTURE

Over the years, Bajans developed a series of carts to move goods and provide services to each other. When compared with Caribbean Islands, the Bajan carts are unique in their design and use. Some of these carts should be adapted and used to provide modern day services while maintaining and projecting our unique heritage. These carts can be decorated and painted to capture individuality of the vendor.

  • Donkey Cart taxis to move visitors from Cruise Ships to Bridgetown and around Resort Areas like St Lawrence Gap, Holetown and Speightstown
  • Bread Carts can be converted to serve hot or cold foods at temporary roadside locations.
  • Rumshops recreated as restaurants serving indigenous food as cuisine with appropriate training available.
  • Snowball Carts selling Bajan ices with locally made fruit juices – Bajan Cherry, Bajan shaddock, Sugar apple, Golden Apple, Packaged Sucking Cane (made from earlier soft varieties), Sea Grape, Guava, Gooseberries, et al
  • Luncheon Carts for food
  • Coconut Carts

MASTER CRAFTSMEN OF BARBADOS

Furniture

There is no doubt that furniture craftsmen/joiners of the past have produced a fantastic array of unique designs. Let us imbue that furniture with the prestige that it deserves`. The palaces/warehouses that some of this furniture is located are

  • Government House, St Michael
  • Ilaro Court, St Michael
  • The Barbados Museum, St Michael
  • Grantley Adams House –Tyrol Cot, Spooners Hill, St Michael
  • The Barbados National Trust Headquarters – Wildey Great House, St Michael
  • Keith Melville’s Sunbury Plantation House, St Phillip

There are many other collections across Barbados that can be used to earn income for the owners as well as for the country.

Training of persons to produce reproductions should follow the same path as training artistes for all types of endeavours – art, music, dance, writing, programing, etc. All Wood Working graduates should be required to reproduce a piece of this furniture in order to graduate. Do it once, do it again! On visits to these locations there are signs indicating cost of item plus shipping costs to rest of the world. Exactly what fine artists do. All art work would be signed and certified as authentic reproductions by a special Reproductions Standard Institute. Marketing will be thru Internet web sites using National ID Codes.

Why are there no tours of Government House? Or Ilaro Court?

  • Bajan Furniture galleries where signed reproductions are also marketed and sold with short histories.

· Chattel houses should be used for restaurants, boutiques especially in the growth areas of St Phillip, St John, St Peter and St Lucy.

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Each area needs to be given prestige thru media and the internet coverage

Computing systems. Knowledge systems. Cognitive. Will still need people contact.

Pottery

Chalky Mount Barbados should be designated as a National Brand as is given to Cropover. This brand should be accessible to all potters operating out of IDC Facilities Island wide. BIDC needs to change its focus to giving full support to developing local entrepreneurs in these areas.

ATTITUDES – Service and Servitude

Actions needed to strengthen our perception of self.

National Heroes

  • A popular edition of book on National Heroes to be sold for $5-10.
  • Comic book versions of National Heroes for primary schools.
  • Cartoon video stories about National heroes.

The Bajan Experience

  • Recreate Rumshops architecturally and spatially not just in the country but in the city extended to the street. Baxter’s Rd, Nelson St, Roebuck St, Palmetto St
  • Use of Donkey cart taxis to move tourists from harbour to the Inner Bridgetown Mall (Swan St, Broad Street, Trafalgar Square, Palmetto St.)
  • Street food using traditional bread carts to serve from
  • Chattel house as hotels etc.

The Rastafarians of Temple Yard

  • Rastas have been around for the last 40 years, manufacturing products, many inbreeding designs, use of hard leather limiting their market primarily to fellow Rastas.
  • Need to develop wider designs especially to reach the visitor and middle class market.
  • Need access to better quality leathers and other products like the high quality leathers made from the Barbados Black Belly sheep skins.

Barbados Black Belly Sheep

The Barbados Black Belly Sheep is a unique animal that evolved in Barbados over time. Studies have shown that the mutton obtained from the Black Belly Sheep produces high quality Triple B (Barbados Black Belly) lamb for both the local and visitors’ market. It also produces some of the finest leather from its skins.

To support the Black Belly development program, unused agricultural lands must be converted into grass pastures and/or growing miamossi plants, also known as river tamarind (Leucaena leucocephala).

This plant exists in Barbados and has a high protein content suitable for feeding ruminants when it is still green. It was introduced by the Ministry of Agriculture in the Pine but has been allowed to grow wild to maturity scattering its seeds across neighbouring fields. Penalties must be implemented against land owners who allow their lands to become infested by those responsible for administering environmental standards.

This plant if managed correctly, will be an important feed ingredient for the Barbados Black Belly sheep. It is from these animals that we can produce –

  • Leather for leather workers (Consultant – Dr Leroy McClean) – bags, shoes, amulets, hair products, books marks, wrist bands, earrings, jackets, head bands,, etc
  • Food (Consultant – Rosemary Parkinson)
  • Reduce foreign exchange spent on importing animal feeds.

Industrial Development Corporation Services

The Industrial Development Corporation must be restructured to invest in the development of future Bajan entrepreneurs by bringing them together in one location at vastly reduced rent to allow them to feed off of each other. IDC is a landlord of buildings at the industrial Estate outside the Bridgetown Harbour. These buildings are deteriorating and are not being maintained. Certainly IDC could offer discounted rates to bring young entrepreneurs together to feed off of each other to supply services to the outside world.

  • Legal Drafting for countries, states and municipalities worldwide
  • Computer software development
  • Video and sound studios
  • Graphic artists
  • Heritage joiners
  • Clothing Designers and manufacturing
  • Animation

Bridgetown Port Duty Free Facilities

Access to duty free facilities at the port should be two-fold:

  • Wholesalers who sell to retailers.
  • Retailers who sell to visitors.

This will allow retailers to use traditional concepts of hawkers to sell products in various combinations. This tradition of bargaining and combining products allows them to determine their own profits but more importantly share in the spoils of the hospitality industry. These newly defined hawkers at the port will be costumed having acquired training at the Barbados Community College (BCC) and Barbados Institute of Management and Productivity (BIMAP).

Other Developments

  • Dr Carmichael – Restoration of Facades on Roebuck St, Swan St, Bay St etc
  • Paul Altman – Enhancement of Jewish Synagogue, oldest in the New World of the Americas.
  • Tyrol Cot Chattel House Village should be a functional village redesigned as a mini tenantry village with a bakery providing freshly baked traditional breads, rumshop, chickens, palings, bread carts, snowball carts, coconut carts, troubadours, et al.
  • Villagers should wear period costumes.

This is about US. This is about Jobs. This is about Pride. This is about Survival.

Baba Elombe Mottley
January 1, 2017.

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969 responses to “The Next FIFTY YEARS of PRIDE and INDUSTRY!”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    “Unfortunately,in its path to North America,poor underprivileged descendants of those enslaved Africans suffer.”

    Those descendants of slaves need to open their damn eyes, they are too complacent and docile, despite being the majority population on these these Islands……not unlike Barbados…most of them have weak black governments who stagnate them instead of lifting them up..

    Maybe this is the only way to reach that goal of opening eyes in the black population, something gitta give, many of them instead of stealing food to survive post Irma, they are stealing weaves, brainwashed even in the face of hunger and death..

    Funny enough most of the islands, with the exception of Sint and Saint Marteen/Martin and US Vorgin Islands, being destroyed, the UK claims to own most of them, well it’s broke, you own it, you fix it…..to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars….reparations my friend…one way or the next…..

    …..Go Jose.

  2. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @ John
    In my professional capacity I have spent decades raising resources for various charitable causes. Everyone in this field knows that poor people are more generous that rich ones as a proportion of their resources. As David implies, it is not the sum total that you give, it is that you give from the heart. Trust me, it will mean a lot to those working in trying circumstances to do the right thing.


  3. @Fractured BLP September 9, 2017 at 8:11 AM “Right now Mia Aman Mottley is more dangerous than category 5 Hurricane Irma.”

    Why don’t you stop writing nonsense.

    Right now a tropical wave located several hundred miles southeast of the Cabo Verde Islands is producing disorganized showers and thunderstorms. This activity has increased since yesterday, and some gradual development of this system is possible during the next few days while it moves west-northwestward over the eastern Atlantic Ocean. Formation chance through 48 hours…low…10 percent. Formation chance through 5 days…low…30 percent.

    Barbados dodged the Irma bullet early this week (except for one intemperate youth) and the Jose bullet this weekend, but as our old people were wise enough to know “what int pass ya int catch ya yet” Who knows if Barbados’ name is written on the “tropical wave located several hundred miles southeast of the Cabo Verde Islands and which is producing disorganized showers and thunderstorms.

    Maybe by next week this time there may be nothing left for you rabid political dogs to fight over.

  4. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    ….more than the well heeled descendants of the European slave master…..

    the wealthier ones are now mingling with the poorer ones on the Florida highways…hightailing it out of the way of CAT4-5 IRMA..they are running and leave many, many affluent properties behind cause Irma is rumbling ashore and no amount of paper money and false status will impress her when she starts to pummel and pulverize Florida.


  5. @peterlawrencethompson September 9, 2017 at 9:25 AM “Doing my shopping at Cheapside market this morning all the old lady vendors were flirting with me and calling me Mr. Smiles…I feel like I’m in heaven.”

    What???

    Now you have come here to steal our women from us?

    Lolll!!!

  6. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    PLT…glad ya see what empty shells they both are, bottomfeeding off the majority population for decades, while projecting false history because of their wicked, evil intentions toward the same population.

    lol….indeed Simple, an ignorant yardfowl trying to seem important…1 million people just evacuated Florida cause they have somewhere to run, there is nowhere to run on a tiny island, so where will yardfowls go, political stupidity will certainly not save them when at least 10 more storm or hurricans are projected to roll of the African coast before the hurricane season is over…

    …. Barbados cannot handle what the dutch and french islands, barbuda, curacao, virgin islands, puerto rico, cuba, bahamas and turks and caicos…handled this week, the island can never survive a cat5.

  7. Bernard Codrington. Avatar
    Bernard Codrington.

    What an educative experience in Barbadian genealogy,social psychology and history.

    At least the discussion confirmed for me another of the real reasons why there were not many ,if any, slave rebellions in Barbados in the era of slavery. The population shared genes; and blood was thicker than water.
    There is still some collateral social damage which needs to be ventilated and eliminated. Many sections of the Barbados society are in denial as to who we really are. As PLT says we are all Bajans. Vincent says we are Pelaus. Because of this knowledge we should support and respect each other; which for the most part , I think we do..

    Good discussion. I really enjoyed this one.


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  9. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    ah even forgot to add Haiti, parts of which got busted up by Irma…

    Bernard…what many are not aware of is that even before slavery and the abhorrent trade there were shared genes, the African gene has always however been the dominant gene, will always be the dominant gene, one must never forget their African heritage, it will never go away, regardless what ya want to call yaself…

    the reality on the island is, you have a tiny group of minorities who are fraudulently working tirelessly to change the genetic designation and heritage of the majority population of African descent, without their consent …..for the financial gain of these same parasitic minorities, chief among them is the crook Bizzy and Vincent..

    that is not only disrespectful to the majority population….but enormously fraudulent…

    then there is John and Karl Watson taking it upon themselves to change how the descent`s of slaves should view the savagery and brutality carried used on their ancestors by evil, greedy, murderous slave masters….that is more disrespect aimed at the descendants of slaves as well as fraud, trying to rewrite the truth re the slave experience on the island and across the americas.

    that disrespect and fraud must be exposed.

  10. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    PLT…when all they tell are lies and half truths, they have no staying power.


  11. Peter

    Here is what page 192 of Hilary Beckles’ book from which you “quote” says.

    I have separated the two sentences which appear in one paragraph.

    “Reflecting planter opinion on this question, Robert Schomburgk in 1848 The History of Barbados stated that though the prolonged was a significant factor, ‘the chief cause of the deficiency was the labour of the peasantry, and the great injury which the cultivation
    manufacture of sugar suffers by want of continuous and regular labour.

    One clergyman suggested that in the summer of 1841, for instance, 541 working-class children died of malnutrition and nutritional illnesses, compared with an average of 185 for the previous three years”

    Beckles is clearly using a completely anonymous source, something that is frowned upon in a learned publication I am sure you would agree.

    In today’s world he would be said to be publishing fake news!!!

    Here is what you say!!

    “Schomburgk published “The History of Barbadoes” in 1847 or 48. In recounting events that he was not a witness to that had happened couple of decades previously he uncritically accepts the self serving propaganda of a planter class trying to make excuses for the starvation that was occurring in the early 1840s. A clergyman (maybe even a Quaker, and a much more reliable witness than Fitzherbert) reported to Schomburgk that, in the summer of 1841 alone, 541 children had starved to death.”

    The anonymous clergyman does not appear in Schomburgk but you clearly and unequivocally say that he does.

    Beckles may be guilty of publishing fake news but I think you are guilty of intellectual dishonesty and owe us all an apology.

    Repentance leads to forgiveness!!

    You are an educated man and know better.

    I understand you desperately want to show there was starvation in Barbados.

    A while back you tried the 1898 period … I showed you that the hurricane would have destroyed everything.

    Then on this thread you tried the 1863 period … I ignored it knowing you would hang yourself!!

    You have done so!!

    Like Simple Simon your basic premises are wrong.

    Wheel and come again!!

    It took me a while to rid myself of the notions of our historians before I got to this stage.

    Anyone can free themselves from the induced mental slavery once they have the facts.

    This is another way in which I fight slavery.

    I share the wealth of knowledge I have accrued.

    I lose nothing in the process, in fact I gain even more!!

    Riches are a means of fighting slavery ….

    … but I find wealth works better!!


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  13. Simple Simon

    In looking into Peter’s claims about the anonymous clergyman I found this on sugar prices in the 1848 time period in Beckles’ book.

    “Sugar planters, therefore, despite the 1846 Sugar Duties Act, which provided for the gradual removal of all protection for West Indian sugar the London market, and the collapse in the same year of the Bridgetown – based West Indian Bank, which was a major supplier of to the plantation sector, were able to expand production and maintain their market share. The collapse of London sugar prices in 1848 to a mere 23 s. 8d., the lowest level since 1832, did not produce panic among the planters; they responded by temporarily shifting greater acreage into crops and cutting their import bill by over £90,000 in 1849. More importantly they were able to transfer the pressures of falling sugar on to the shoulders of workers by means of wage reductions during the 1850s. By slashing the size of their labour bill, planters were able to withstand the sharp edge of competition from slave-owning sugar especially after 1854 when the Free Trade Act of 1846 was put into fuller effect (Table 22).”

    Sugar was never really profitable, but it broke even.

    There was a brief period when the slaves of Haiti destroyed its economy and sugar prices trebled that made it financially attractive

    There were other economic factors which prevented it from being shut down in the early.

    For example in the time frame 1650 to 1700, Barbados was a retreat from religious persecution in England.

    No cash value can be placed on physical safety or the ability to think freely and practice your beliefs.

    Would not have mattered if Sugar was a dead financial loss, keeping it going would have been paramount because it was a cog in a wheel which ensured religious liberty, safety and life to many.

    Besides, if it shut down, what would those previously employed by it have done?


  14. Is the horror visited on Haiti somehow related to Karma?

  15. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    You are right John… the error is mine, it was a sloppy reading of Beckles’ page to conflate those two paragraphs. I’m sorry. (Note that this is how a grown up responds, when I make a mistake I acknowledge it as soon as it is pointed out to me and apologize. You might learn from that in respect to the many many mistakes of yours that I’ve pointed out in this thread.)

    Your desperate attempts to allege that slaves did not starve in Barbados is what is reprehensible here. Your illusion that you “rid myself of the notions of our historians” is simply you digging yourself deeper and deeper into error.

    How does it come to be that you reject the evidence in the writings of Thomas Clarkson, William Wilberforce, and the many Quakers that you so admire that they copiously gathered to persuade the British parliament to abolish the slave trade and slavery? More “rid myself of the notions of our historians?”

  16. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    John, you claim that “Sugar was never really profitable, but it broke even.”
    Read this:
    The Profitability of Sugar Planting in the British West Indies, 1650-1834
    J. R. Ward
    The Economic History Review
    New Series, Vol. 31, No. 2 (May, 1978), pp. 197-213

    It will prove you wrong. Or is scholarly research just the “the notions of our historians” that you rid yourself of?

  17. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    John, I know you’re not stupid, so you are perfectly aware that what destroyed Haiti’s economy along with terrorist Presidents supported by Yankee imperialism was the fee, in 1825 90 million francs, later bumped up to 150 million, and estimated to now be worth around $21 billion, that French government demanded from Haiti in order to recognize its liberation as an independent nation. You know that It took until 1947 for Haiti to finally pay off all the associated interest of the ransom, so why ask insulting racist questions like “Is the horror visited on Haiti somehow related to Karma?” You know that it only embarrasses you.

  18. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    Hi John, it appears I was too hasty to apologize. A quick search in Schomburgk shows that it is quite clear where Beckles is getting his data. Is your command-f function broken, or did you just feel like lying today.

    https://archive.org/stream/historyofbarbado00schouoft/historyofbarbado00schouoft_djvu.txt
    shows the following:

    “In the year 1841, 596 cases in an aggregate of
    1000 were deaths of children between the first and tenth year. This
    number struck me as so astonishing, that I made inquiries whether it was
    to be ascribed to an epidemic, but I was assured by several of the clergy
    that no epidemic raged that year, and that it could only be ascribed to
    the neglect of their offspring by mothers among the lower classes.”

    Two things are clear: one is that Beckles has gone back to the source data of births & deaths to refine the estimate and reduce the number to 541 to avoid overstating the case; two is that everyone who is not a racist understands that the clergyman is covering up for White guilt is ascribing the deaths to “the neglect of their offspring by mothers.”

    So Beckles is proven to be very conservative in his allegations of atrocity, I am proven to be far too hasty in offering apologies, and you are proven to be a fraud or incompetent is alleging that you searched through Schomburgk for this reference.

    So now let us see how much of a grownup you are in offering your apology? I’m waiting, but I won’t hold my breath…

  19. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    The Karma is related to the French now having to spend billions to rebuild the french territories now demolished by Irma….they claim to own them, they are broken, they have to fix them….that is the Karma.

    France should be made to repay every dime they forced Haiti to pay through extortion, lies, theft and fraud calling it an independence debt.

    Which falls right in line with the fraud and lies minorities perpetrate on the population for their financial gain.

    John loves to act out idiocy and thinks he is speaking to bajans who clean his filthy house and are dependent on him for a weekly salary and would agree with the crap he dreams up….most of them use subliminal messaging on the weakest blacks to spread misinformation and lies among the majority population….and for the last 4 decades and some are working hard to get those lies and misinformation into the schools. …it is easy to recognize how uninformed most of the population is….and why.

  20. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    “two is that everyone who is not a racist understands that the clergyman is covering up for White guilt is ascribing the deaths to “the neglect of their offspring by mothers.”

    And that blame the victim mentality created by the nasty white class still prevails in the majority population to this day and is just as destructive today.. the victims are always blamed for the criminal actions of others.


  21. @Bernard Codrington. , Yes it was a very engaging, informative exchange.

    And the discussion is even more telling that two contemporary Bajan school colleagues could come away from the same data set and have such seemingly disparate views.

    Obviously one has to factor life experiences but it’s amazing that it is their colour divide that seems to separate the debate thrust (and living outside Bdos cannot be a key factor as Vincent shares John’s views).

    Amazing also as was cited above that historical facts can be twisted with such facility. How can one person suggest that it’s important to “rid [himself] of the notions of our historians” and yet then ‘slavishly’ adopt the historical writers he holds sacrosanct.

    This is the type of ‘scholarship’ which has riled the millions of people world-wide who have thrown down the gauntlet and dismiss many academics as self-serving talking-heads.

    It was also interesting that John highlighted that in fact he has as much ..in fact more African ancestry than @PLT and thus probably more than some of us other non-pale faced folks here…

    Not many of us possible lesser DNA’ed African brethren share his views that slavery was a wonderful benefice to our fore-fathers.


  22. In sociology a major school of thought — human ecology — considers human populations to be engaged in unceasing competition for scarce resources made available by the environments in which they live.

    In this theoretical framework, distinct tribes and races are like different types of plants and animals conpeting for food in an ecosystem.

    WW&C should consider this idea because it may help defuse her childish anger over the “high crimes” allegedly committed in the past by white overlords against black subjects.

    There are many textbooks on Human Ecology. Read one of them.


  23. The standard of living of black societies that experienced the harshest forms of white colonialism (think of the United States, the Commonwealth Caribbean, Brazil and South Africa) is substantially higher than that of black societies that largely avoided colonial rule (Ethiopia) or experienced only brief historical periods of colonialism (Sudan, East Africa, Central Africa).

    Therefore, it is reasonable to argue that blacks have benefited from colonialism, even though they paid a price for the experience.

  24. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Chadster….do you really believe I would take intelllectual advice from a jackass like you.

    500 years from now, in case you are not aware, europeans will become the enslaved, as they once were 800 years ago, the only question left to answer will be…by whom.

    Since neither of us will be around then, I can tell you now, that crimes against humanity does not appeal to me no matter who is at the receiving end….

    Since you will definitely not be there to witness white reenslavement…, how does the thought make you feel.

  25. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
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    @Chad99999,
    I am puzzled that you perceive that a human ecology perspective will help defuse her anger over crimes committed in the past by White overlords against Black subjects. Do you not think that the gazelles are more than a bit peeved about the depredations of the hyenas? How does a human ecology perspective make “unfairness” seem OK? Simply because it is “natural?”

  26. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    And just to debunk ya rubbish Chadster..

    “Other answers here have pointed out the examples of both Ethiopia and Liberia. In fact, both were colonized and there isn’t a single country in Africa that didn’t see some colonial efforts at some point in its history. Ethiopia was colonized only very briefly.May 28, 2014.”

    Most of these African countries, including the ones in West Africa where slaves were extracted…were vibrant wealthy empires in the 12th century and coming forward, ya so poor in morals and bankrupt in intelligence, you would call capitalist greed, fraud and living paycheck to paycheck wealth.

    This is the true definition of wealth…that still cannot be matched centuries later…. no matter how much european and North american thievery is involved…,today.

    “Musa Keita I (c. 1280—c. 1337) was the tenth Mansa, which translates as “sultan” (king), “conqueror”,[2] or emperor [3][4][5][6][7] of the wealthy West African Mali Empire.

    At the time of Musa’s rise to the throne, the Malian Empire consisted of territory formerly belonging to the Ghana Empire in present-day southern Mauritania and in Melle (Mali) and the immediate surrounding areas. Musa held many titles, including Emir of Melle, Lord of the Mines of Wangara, Conqueror of Ghanata, and at least a dozen others.

    [8] It is said that Mansa Musa had conquered 24 cities, each with surrounding districts containing villages and estates, during his reign.[9] During his reign Mali may have been the largest producer of gold in the world at a point of exceptional demand.

    One of the richest people in history, he is known to have been enormously wealthy; reported as being inconceivably rich by contemporaries, “There’s really no way to put an accurate number on his wealth” (Davidson 2015).[10]”

  27. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    PLT….the limited intellect John, he must have suffered brain damage since that scholsrship, lol….Vincent and Chadster’s only aim is to justify why blacks deserved to be enslaved…, were we to be discussing Africans enslaving and brutalizing whites for 4 centuries, these same 3 hypocrites would be telling us how much they want killing for enslaving whites…


  28. The bullshit about vibrant, wealthy African empires is easily disproved. They were all swiftly conquered by small bands of Europeans or persuaded to engage in one-sided trade in which they received worthless trinkets.


  29. PLT

    If domination and predation is natural, and God created Nature, or Nature evolved from a primordial soup, then there’s no one you can be mad at, except possibly God. Nature is what it is.

  30. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    That’s the greedy sell out idiocy that prevails in black men like yaself to this day Chadster…

    Look at ya own condition, you are intellectually unable to even build an empire….the closest you can get is in the employ of some corporate crook in the US…helping them build theirs…

  31. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Chad99999,
    So now I am grasping your world view. An all powerful creator who is basically an asshole. Interesting…

  32. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @ Chad99999,
    Or if Nature evolved from a primordial soup we are just bigger bacteria with no agency or moral capacity… equally interesting.

  33. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Reparations by any other name is still reparations…go Irma..

    Ah bet with all the fraud sympathy, none ah dem are happy to shell out billions for recovery and are now sorry dey ancestors tief so many islands and they themselves did not cut those islandsvloose decades ago…..lol

    But the hurricane season runs until November so….ah guess they will have to pray…

    Now that is the meaning to Karma marching John…thieves, liars and frauds always get their comeuppance.

    “British troops arrive to assist in relief effort
    British High Commissioner, Janet Douglas, and Head of DFID Caribbean, Colleen Wainwright, Friday evening met the first British troops arriving in Barbados for deployment to affected countries, to support the relief efforts in the wake of Hurricane Irma. These troops will supply immediate manpower, emergency supplies and equipment to provide rapid assistance to affected communities. Her Majesty The Queen and British Prime Minister Theresa May have expressed their sympathy for all those in the hurricane-affected islands of the Caribbean. Janet Douglas said, “The United Kingdom stands in solidarity with all those impacted by Hurricane Irma throughout the Caribbean.”

  34. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Chadster can wax as much stupidity as he wants to on here, he can’t change facts.

    Unfortunately for him I spent years in the corporate environs of NYC and know exactly how things work…lol


  35. Peter thanks for your mature and dispassionate interrogation of this issue.

  36. NorthernObserver Avatar

    @DIW
    excellent summation.


  37. Notice the girls are now the leaders — Elizabeth, Theresa, Janet and Colleen, but the boys (British troops) have to do all the real work.

    Feminism run amok.


  38. Chad9999 the provocateur. Some of us are on to you, the others will learn -hopefully.


  39. PLT

    Morality is arbitrary. So before you get on your high horse, read the literature of academic philosophy on this subject.

    Kant is dead.


  40. …. neglect of their offspring by mothers among the lower classes
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thank goodness it exists as its non existence would be to call into question a lot of scholarly learning.

    So it was not starvation …. I looked for starv and 541 in Schomburgk and checked the facts!!!

    Foolish me for following your and Beckles’ postulations.

    I dealt with infant mortality up to the 60’s in response to Simple Simon.

    The deaths may have been because of neglect but I believe it was due to poor public health.

    The drought meant water was scarce … no BWA back then.

    In 1854 20,000 Bajans died of cholera because of public health failings.

    Did not matter your colour, you took in and in 8 hours you were dead.

    If you could afford a doctor, you died quicker, cholera was unknown.

    It woke up the authorities and piped drinking water from Benn Spring to Bridgetown was instituted.

    That’s the Fountain!!

    I am glad you went and researched it …. do you see how wealth/knowledge grows?

    The allegation of intellectual dishonesty supported by the facts I am sure spurred you … a lot of contributors on here can learn from your response which clearly shows you are aware of the seriousness of the allegation.

    I withdraw the allegation.

    But look at Beckles’ twisting of the facts.

    I am sure you noticed … you are an educated man.

    He doesn’t say the word starvation but he implies it through his use of the words malnutrition and nutritional related illnesses.

    He actually succeeded in leading you up the garden path.

    I am going to show you now some logic that I am sure will drive you even more bananas!!

    I suspect that Emancipation increased childhood mortality … but I would have to check the deaths at a time when ages were recorded in the burials.

    That will still be inaccurate because many persons, slave and free were buried on Plantations and no record kept.

    Plantations had “nurses” assigned for children from among the slaves who lived on them.

    These were older wiser heads.

    You can pick them up in the returns for slaves from 1817 to 1832.

    There are fields to this day named Hospital Field on some bigger plantations.

    I think each plantation cared for the health of its slaves from cradle to grave … Quaker thinking … plus … each slave was valuable!!

    Emancipation threw all to a non existent public health system with disastrous results.

    Each plantation was a mini state within a state looking after its citizens/members from cradle to grave.

    Thanks for the effort.


  41. two is that everyone who is not a racist understands that the clergyman is covering up for White guilt is ascribing the deaths to “the neglect of their offspring by mothers.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Mothers no longer had access to the nurses provided in the plantation system …. they were on their own and had to work as before.

    Their children suffered.


  42. I posted this comment a while back to show the range of jobs done by slaves on a plantation prior to emancipation.

    Look at how health care issues were dealt with on Kendal/Hallets

    For the Women there were House and Field slaves as well as Nurse, Cook for the Little Negroes, Negroes Cook, Minder of Weaned Children, In charge of invalids, Sick Nurse, second, third and fourth gang drivers, Stock Minder, Calves Minder, Water Carrier, Seamstresses, etc. etc.

    John May 17, 2017 at 6:14 PM #
    One of the myths about slavery is that there were only house and field slaves.
    Here is the return for Kendal and Halletts from 1817, property of William Hinds Prescod who it is thought was the father of Samuel Jackman Prescod.
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1129/CSUK1817_133761-00347/3113843?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dBritishSlaves%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gskw%3dwilliam%2520hinds%2520prescod%26MSAV%3d1%26MSV%3d0%26uidh%3dud5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=CSUK1817_133761-00347
    Kendal was probably one of the largest, if not the largest plantation in Barbados.
    There is a range of jobs done by the slaves.
    For the men there were, house and field slaves as well as Masons, Carpenters, Watch, Butler, Drivers of first and second Gang, Grooms, Coopers, Smiths, Distillers, Cattle Keepers, Carpenter’s Boy, Mason’s Boy, Meat Pickers etc etc.
    For the Women there were House and Field slaves as well as Nurse, Cook for the Little Negroes, Negroes Cook, Minder of Weaned Children, In charge of invalids, Sick Nurse, second, third and fourth gang drivers, Stock Minder, Calves Minder, Water Carrier, Seamstresses, etc. etc.
    The eldest slave in the return was Davy, 100 years old, he was born in Africa in 1717.
    The majority of slaves by 1817 had been born in Barbados.
    There were invalids and numerous children.
    Ages ranged from months to 100 years.
    There were 419 slaves owned by William Hinds Prescod on these two plantations.
    Smaller plantations with fewer slaves and less output could not afford the luxury of a Butler and the other specialized jobs like nurses.
    The plantation was like a state within a state which fed, clothed, housed and provided work for the slaves on it … from cradle to grave.
    You will probably find because of its size, it also provided medical attention for slaves on nearby plantations.
    One of the casualties of emancipation was basic healthcare provided by the plantations for its slaves.
    The high death rate in 1854 due to cholera was a result.


  43. John
    Hot air from the Sahara mixing with cool air in the region of Guinea results in the natural formation of areas of disturbed weather in the summer months hence what is called the hurricane season,so that during this period, given the absence and/or the infrequency of favourable wind currents which are prevalent outside of this time of year,a wave comes off the west African coast near cape verde and once the sea temperature is right,there is the likelihood of the development of the phenomenon called a hurricane.
    Climate warming would appear to have made these hurricanes more powerful since scientists have informed us that sea temperatures are 2c higher than 50 years ago.It is said that a cat 5 hurricane packs the energy of 10,000 nuclear bombs hence the devastation of Irma.


  44. I never realised untill reading this how screwed up the thinking of the English Caribbean slave progeny is…….wow

    the african diaspora: psychiatric issues – MGH Global Psychiatry
    http://www.mghglobalpsychiatry.org/downloads/AfricanDiasporaProceeding.pdf
    The African Mix in the Caribbean Basin ….. economic situation and ethnic mix. …… Mental Health, that psychiatrists view illness in terms of a syndrome, while traditional …… This homeless population has an extremely high rate of victimization, …


  45. Peter

    I apologise, my head is in a spin over Irma as I have family in its direct path and can do nothing but watch, hope and pray.

    I made a significant error in my sibling’s DNA result.

    It is 79% European, 19% African and the rest Native American.

    I have spent a while trying to understand how we look so different!!

    I was actually able to come up with an explanation until a friend corrected me just now.

    I apologise, I was wrong.

  46. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Ya are wrong most iften than not John….lol

    Vincent…that is why I light into you about your pelau crap, it is not that simple and comes with extreme consequences if not handled delicately and in the right environments/societies…. take it from a mother who birthed and raised children with both bloodlines….fortunately from very early I recognized what needed to be done.

    You, John and Chsdster refus to recognize the destructiveness of the slave trade on the victims and their descendants…to your own detriment and that of your descendants.

    “The need to diagnose and treat the insidious and destructive role that racism, through its
    local and global manifestations, continues to have upon the mental health and well-being
    of people of African descent.

    We, as psychiatrists of African-descent, representing people of African-descent in Africa and
    throughout the African Diaspora, first and foremost, dedicate this volume to the Divine
    Creative Force, that inspired our Ancestors to evolve the first human societies, originate the
    sciences, mathematics and medicine and spread civilization to all corners of the earth; “We can
    never forget the bridge that brought us across”.

  47. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Ya are wrong more often than not John….lol

    Neither of you 3 have any idea or any understanding of the forces involved and how powerful these forces have become.

  48. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    These are the realities some pf us keep pointing out, which happens on the island on a small scale by a bunch of minority copy cats.

    Europe and North America has the hoghest rates of the mentally diseased of any other country in the world primarily in the majority white populations if those countries, it did not help that they spread their toxic poison everywhere from Africa to the Caribbean and beyond for 500 years…by intermingling and breeding…..and this is no joke, the mental destruction is real.

    “It concludes that historical events of the past five hundred years have systematically confronted the European imperative to own the world and the people and resources contained therein. These challenges to world history have forced the systematic transformation of world mental health systems, based upon the negation of the Eurocentric concept of white supremacy and the confrontation of the European delusion of world ownership by Divine Right.”

    “Oye Gureje, M.D. Nigeria
    The story of colonial legacy vis-à-vis the place of traditional African religions in present day
    Nigeria is a good example of the way colonialism has affected the psychology of our people and
    has literally left them in a psychological limbo: unsure of where they are and uncomfortable
    with where they have come from.

    Even though there is little research, there is certainly no deficit of pathology. The little research
    that does exist and the considerable clinical experience available suggest that virtually every
    psychiatric disorder described or encountered in North America or western Europe is also
    present in Nigeria.”


  49. Gabriel

    I don’t think global warming is responsible.

    There was as bad or worse a hurricane that hit the US in the 1930’s when no one was talking about global warming.

    I think things go in cycles.

    We had major hurricanes here in 1780, 1831, 1898 and 1955.

    Approximately a 60 year period … 1955 + 60 = 2015.

    We are due another soon and if it happens this year it will probably happen in the next four weeks.

    Harvey passed right over us then became major!!

    La Nina is back from early this year after the drought years of El Nino.

    I can’t remember if I commented on this earlier in the year on BU but I planned my year based on increased rainfall due to La Nina and I have not so far seen anything I would not have expected.

    There has been a solar eclipse recently, an unusual event, perhaps the planets and their location have an added effect.

    Harvey was the problem it was because it stopped and dumped water on Texas but if it had not it would not have caused the damage it did.

    Irma is definitely an anomaly.

    Just heard my friend my friend in Turks and Caicos is good and trying to get back soon.

    He survived but it wasn’t pleasant.

    Meanwhile my family has evacuated and got to the planned destination so hopefully all goes well for them … just got to hope and pray.

    For the moment they are out of harms way.


  50. I knew I had commented on the change from El Nino to La Nina, since last year.

    John November 23, 2016 at 9:59 PM #
    Watching the predictions of a La Nina episode I am guessing December, January and February, perhaps through to August 2017 may be wetter than normal but who knows. I will observe and learn!!

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