Denis Kellman: Question Time About the GROTTO High Rise Project NOT Potholes

The GROTTO high rise project

The GROTTO high rise project

16. The NHC has indicated that housing units for lower income earners should be provided at a cost of $125,000 to $195,000. However, the construction costs of these high rise unit s ranged between $300,000 and $450,000 per unit. Even though all the units were built within the agreed time frame, the high cost per unit obtained within these projects would have impacted negatively on the NHC being able to provide these units to lower income earners without substantial subsidisation – Special Audit by Auditor General 2016

The ranting of Minister of Housing Denis Kellman has crowed the news cycle this week so far. Based on BU’s unscientific poll the majority of Barbadians have dismissed his Facebook status post as ignorant. Surely Kellman has adopted a ‘strategy’ to deflect attention from his ministry by depositing several controversial status posts on Facebook. Is it wishful thinking to expect Prime Minister Freundel Stuart to take a leaf out of President Grainger’s book who is expected to reshuffle his cabinet today explaining that one of the ministers had become a distraction for the government.

It is interesting to note also a few of Kellman’s cabinet colleagues Donville Inniss and Michael Lashley -who were interviewed by Stetson Babb of Starcom Network -distanced themselves from the Kellman brouhaha. A month ago it was the turn of Donville Inniss to be snubbed by cabinet colleague Boyce regarding his view on how the South Coast Sewage mess was being handled by government (What is going on!).

BU is of the few the real story not covered by the traditional media relates to a comment made by Minister of Housing during the can potholes save lifes exchanges -that it is the low income tenant that qualifies the GROTTO Housing high-rise as a low income housing project.

Kellman's FB comment about the GROTTO project

Kellman’s FB comment about the GROTTO project

His view is interesting given the findings of the Auditor General’s Special Audit linked above. Further, in several exchanges with David King of BU (click on FB screen grab) the minister refused to communicate the type of tenant – low or middle income – contracted to occupy GROTTO apartments. If one applies logic based on NHC policy quoted in the 2016 Auditor General Special Audit Report the GROTTO does not qualify as a low income project. It will be very interesting to hear Minster Denis Kellman speak to the GROTTO, a project that falls under is portfolio. Maybe one day soon he will make a status post on Facebook to update the public about the GROTTO housing project.

The public has also not been apprised of the details around how a 25 million dollar dividend was paid to Maloney of Preconco from the Housing Credit Fund (HCF) managed by the Central Bank of Barbados.

Question time Minister Kellman about the GROTTO!

85 comments

  • Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right - INRI

    As a short man myself (5ft 2ins) I know that i am going to incur the wrath of many of the physically rather vertically challenged menses here but i will try to answer this topic which speaks to an unscientific poll with this unscientific answer.

    It is a full copy from the internet

    “…’Short man syndrome’ is a condition in which a person has to deal with a feeling of inadequacy which can come from a lack of height – or a perceived lack of height. This is particularly common in men who gain a lot of confidence and status from physicality and who often gain pleasure from being able to feel physically imposing.

    Short man syndrome is an informal term and not a medical or psychological condition and goes by other names such as ‘Napoleon complex’. Technically it is a form of inferiority complex in which the person attempts to overcompensate for their perceived shortcoming. The term is often used as a derogatory term also to describe those who are perceived as acting this way…”

    Having answered this topic so comprehensively there will be no further need for any comments hereafter.

    THIS BLOG/ARTICLE IS NOW CLOSED!!!!

    heheheheheheh

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  • Minister Kellman has a habit of answering about the moon when asked about the stars, and he has been allowed to get away with the nonsense for over 2 decades.

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  • We can ask but I know we will not get an answer.

    Can the know it all minister…………{God what have we come to?} tell us the taxpayers whether this same HCF was used to pay the said contractor for all of the half finished houses at Coverley or was he paid from NIS funds? The houses are rotting down……..have they been paid for by the taxpayers and we dont know that we own them?

    I am just asking!

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Problem is Kellman is not compensating or overcompensating, he, Fruendel, Inniss, Lashley and the whole cabinet are decompensating, there is a systemic structural breakdown and deterioration that is irreversible as long as they remain in parliament….

    ………someone needs to tell Dumbville that Trinidad has at least 1.3 million people, 5 times the population of Barbados and is 1,981 square miles (one thousand nine hundred and eighty one square miles) to Barbados’ 166 square miles (one hundred sixty six) square miles,….I leave Dumbville to do the math.

    The bigger the country the bigger the problems, the smaller the island the smaller the problems and the semi literates in parliament still cannot fix any of them.

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  • The concept of housing projects for low income people is an antiquated concept because such projects are breeding grouns for criminal activity. The new concept now is to build family oriented housing and not one centralized housing project!

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  • What do we really consider to be lower income? I would imagine that people earning $300 per week are lower income- can they really afford such houses?
    Can those earning a wage of $300 per week qualify for a mortage for a house costing 125-195 000?
    What do we really consider to be lower income?
    We need to get serious and start defining incomes and so on.
    Donville Inniss comparing our current economic plight with that of Trinidad is typical. Its a known fact that if you tell a Bajan that the roads in Barbados bad , he will immediately ask you if you have “ever went” to………….and then proceed to call the name of another island.
    So Donville in typical Bajan fashion when asked about our economy replied: “look at Trinidad………’
    Same old same old.

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  • “William

    The AG’s Special Audit report is compulsory reading to find answers to your question. The AG found that the mjority of the applicants to NHC earn 1,500 per months which does not qualify them for GROTTO apartments based on NHC policy.

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  • OK
    The St Philip MPs are possessed….
    The St Lucy MP has always been retarded – only now elevated by a St Philip MP…
    The Christ Church Ms are awash in shiite
    The St James MP, comparing himself to such rubbish, brings his porn experience to the table
    The Stinkliar is clearly a con man
    The Maxine just spent $7M building a monument to Satan
    The Suckoo just seems to innocently, and cluelessly read the provided scrip -from AC

    Shiite man!!!
    THERE MUST BE AT LEAST ONE OF THEM WORTH MORE THAN WHAT PADDY SHOT AT…
    PLEASE … can someone help us to find at least one decent DLP MP…..not necessarily a genius, just DECENT….

    BTW
    Can someone tell Pornville that if the Trickidadians are so badly positioned with forex …that they may well be expected to dip into the ATM (WHICH THEY OWN) called Barbados.
    Perhaps that is where the $300M disappeared last year….
    There is no way that we can be ‘better off’ than people who own our banks, insurance companies, supermarkets, manufacturing plants, etc.

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  • This nonsense continues to be the norm because we like it so.Tax dollars were used to pay for the requisite studies, yet these units ended up outside the reach of the intended market, and we are supposed to accept that this happened by accident? What about the amount charged and paid for the reduced number of parking spots? No body ass becomes grass, and for the umpteenth time will come diatribe about a blue Peter shark….and the beat goes on.

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  • This administration will continue to disrespect Barbadians until Barbadians work out that both M and P as in Meaningful Protests come before Q .Time to rebuild the Bajan Community.Time to hold hands all around the country…..this time in an effort to SAVE BARBADOS.

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  • @ David,
    The problem here is that public housing has always been determined more by politics than any real policy. There was a time when some people wanted nothing to do with “housing areas” because of some perceived social stigma. However as these housing areas took on more impressive looking structures and land prices started to rise, some “middle class’ workers started to compete for them and replaced the lower income workers for whom thet were really originally built.
    When we look at Kensington Lodge, Wildey, Vallery and more modern “government units”, we realise that they are very attractive to people earning 2-3000 per month. So, the entire facade of building houses for the poor is now being fully exposed.
    We have seen land prices sky rocket and the NHC under a severely cash strapped regime can no longer afford to give away land and create a worthwhile public housing program fro the poor. Hence the Grotto is a prime example where one of the finest pieces of real estate was acquired by the government; they made a mess of the layout with inadequate parking space and now find because of no proper land use policy, that it cannot afford to place low income workers or even middle income workers in the facility because the price of the units are more like condominiums than public housing units.
    This is the result of the lack of a proper land use policy and political skulduggery at the NHC that have been the hallmark of both the Barbados Labour Party and the Democratic Labour Party.
    With all due respect to the Auditor General , nobody who has been paying close attention to the failed housing policies of the DLP/BLP, would be really surprise that the Grotto is the end result of the housing public housing monster that has been waiting to reveal itself for nearly forty years.

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  • ” $300,000 and $450,000 per unit”

    Nothing wrong with “low income” people living in these TAX PAYER SUBSIDISED UNITS.

    kellmanomics at its best. We just not smart enough to understand it.

    I thought the reason for building multi story housing was to reduce overall “costs|”.

    Small building foot print and centralised services.

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  • I hear and I understand what William Skinner is saying but I’m seeing a more nefarious, a more sinister side to this indifference.Perhaps my suspicion is triggered by the shady circumstances surrounding the monies allocated for the independence celebration,for which no one could provide detailed information…..or the bold faced denials where CAHILL was concerned.

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  • The Might Gabby said it best…de politicians mekking bare mock sport at de people. I would not even dignify the Minister’s statement with a response. All I can do is shake my head.

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  • Agree William and this is why we have to continue to hold respective > government’s feet to the fire -read hold them accountable. > > It is why we need to educate minister Kellman his role as minister is to > be answerable to Barbadians and not the opposite. >

    >

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    “BTW
    Can someone tell Pornville that if the Trickidadians are so badly positioned with forex …that they may well be expected to dip into the ATM (WHICH THEY OWN) called Barbados.
    Perhaps that is where the $300M disappeared last year….
    There is no way that we can be ‘better off’ than people who own our banks, insurance companies, supermarkets, manufacturing plants, etc.”

    Lol, haha, lol….Inniss does not have the name Dumbville for no good reason,, he is comparing an island that owns every business sector in Barbados, Trinidad mind you with the island they own, Barbados mind you….lol….there is a valid reason why he is Dumbville…lol

    Alvin…there goes ya semi literate government ministers in full flight…lol

    They all need to be muzzled, as least Fruendel is now well aware that he is stupid to have wasted taxpayer’s time and money to bury a pitchofirk, so he shut up completely. .lol

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  • Barbados Today reported on Dec 13, 2016 that Kellman said the first block of the Grotto would be occupied before Christmas. He said that the reason for the 2 year delay was a few lose tiles that had to be fixed before the occupants moved in. As Christmas has come and gone now does anyone know if any of the units at the Grotto are indeed occupied?

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  • Come on John…..
    Are you suggesting that something said by a Cajan minister of Government has ANY credence worth shit?
    Did he say WHICH Christmas he meant…?

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  • As Piece would say, “waste foops”. Do they not realize that if these flats had been rented for the last two years @$500 per month that would be more than they are getting now? How much income has been foregone and what is the opportunity cost? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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  • I understand from NHC that some units at the Grotto have been allocated to tenants.

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  • An interesting contribution by a contractor on the callin program today about why government had to suffer the cost of blown tiles at the GROTTO. His position in response to minister Kellman that the retention period had expired was that the government should have challenged the matter in court if the contractor did not agree to the liability. The building is too new to be doing remedial work.

    Then again why would this government challenge Maloney?

    We accept the minister’s position that it is up to the tenants who have signed on to move in when they are ready.

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  • My friend tell me that the reason for “blown tiles” has to be defective materials, improper installation or both.

    Contractor should have replaced the tiles.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    It took 2 years to fix “a few loose tiles”….in a brand new building.

    One things for sure, the electorate has been pushed into a corner, they have no choice but to get rid of everyone of these ministers to send a stern message to the incoming lot….who may have the same grandiose plans afoot with their criminal friends once elected to parliament.

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  • @Hants

    Didn’t have the time to listen to all of Kellman’s contribution but did he suggest blown tiles might have been caused by lack of air, not settling??? Not sure what he stated. Hopefully Vincent or Gabriel can shed light. We know them to be careful listeners of the program.

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  • NorthernObserver

    @Hants
    since Bim doesn’t suffer from freeze-thaw cycles. my guess is the issue likely lies in an uneven sub floor. If you tile on such a surface without first leveling it, and you use a thin set mortar, the tiles can pop. Generally once the substrate is level, tiles will not come loose unless the tile setting product didn’t work/mixed incorrectly or was improperly applied. And they will ‘come loose’ vs popping.

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  • NorthernObserver

    @BT
    “There is no way that we can be ‘better off’ than people who own our banks, insurance companies, supermarkets, manufacturing plants, etc.”
    Hard to argue dat? guess Donville didn’t think too hard?
    He is still the best of DEM by light years. And he will talk publicly, a star, if only relatively so.

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  • @ David….the Contractor said in response to the minister’s explanation” that is utter rubbish”. What did the minister say, you asked? “This happens when the residence is not allowed to breathe”. Hants is on point with what he was told by his friend. If this were a used vehicle the lemon law which acts as a warranty would have been effected….Problem is who does that when the car was gifted from a God Father…. Namely The Tax Payers Of Barbados.

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  • @ David,

    I didn’t listen to the program but we all know that the problem should have been solved long ago.

    It is beyond ridiculous to build housing units and leave them unoccupied for over 2 years.

    Now Kellman spinning like Narine.

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  • There is something shady about this arrangement. The Auditor General was ignored. The Public Accounts committee was ignored. By the main stream media the story here was ignored.Why ? The citizens of Barbados are ignorant……plain and simple.

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  • So the minister is making sure that the government has to pay to do remedial work on a 2 year old building.

    un freakin believable!!!

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  • @Hants

    Maloney likely stated he not repairing the tiles and that as they say was that!

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  • “A substantial sum of public money – $27 million – has been spent on the building of five blocks of apartments amounting to 80 dwellings” .

    Surely the Contractor made enough and could have put aside a couple million to fix deficiencies.

    oops. I forgot. government is an ATM

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  • @Hants

    As stated above the contractor liability period have expired.

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  • @ Hamilton Hill. who wrote “The citizens of Barbados are ignorant……plain and simple.”

    The vast majority of Bajans don’t give a flyin puck about anything that does not affect them directly.

    Watch and see what happens when campaigning start. 50 years of corn beef an biscuits an rum. ( nowadays it is piece a change an brandy)

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  • David

    I Listened to Kellman but did not hear him as nothing he says makes sense,including his ducking from the caller and the moderator allowing him to run away,I heard the contractor refute everything said by Kellman and gathered that the argument presented was an enclosed building being the cause of tiles blowing/coming loose……I must agree with the contractor.

    Hants is correct Bimmers dont give a toss as to what happens to their country and I guarantee that the upcoming elections will have a close numerical outcome……we love it so this is Bim,one of the wuk up capitals of the region.

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  • If anyone had any doubts that Dennis Kellman is an idiot of the highest (or lowest) order, however you care to put it, it was confirmed in his contribution to Brasstacks today.

    I cringed that a man of such low intelligence could be actually a minister of government. Looking back, I thought that he was given a raw deal and “hard done by” by David Thompson when he did not include him in his first cabinet. Now we fully understand why David Thompson wanted no part of Kellman in his cabinet. He was just not cabinet material.

    He can speak on every other minister’s portfolio except his. The moderator let him off easily so as not to embarrass him…..as soon as Kellman was asked about housing, all of a sudden he does not micromanage and tried to trivialise the caller’s concerns.

    It is nothing short of criminal that a company which we know did not have a track record in residential construction prior to these morons taking office………….can build houses in a rush so as to collect to collect the taxpayers’ millions as quickly as possible. It is obvious that the work done was below standard. For tiles to have blown so soon after construction……..it had to be that the work was rushed and the materials like the tile cement were stretched.

    And of course, the taxpayers are left holding the bag…………we are the suckers!

    My fellow Barbadians, how much more are we going to sit down and take?

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  • Condominiums William? Lmao, them ain’t even close. The issue isn’t whether they are low income or not, it is all about value for money. How can stacked housing on free land in Beckles Road cost more or the same as a whole house in Coverley? Stupse!

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  • @enuff

    The issue is whether the GROTTO housing is low cost housing because this is how the project was pitched to the Central Bank in order to squeeze a 25 million dividend out of the HCF.

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  • @ prodigal….if you were listening you would have heard that the houses have to breathe….how do you not recognize that in some house somewhere, after thirty plus years the build up of carbon monoxide might have damaged the brain cells of the occupant?As a show of new year goodwill, show lil forgiveness.

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  • NorthernObserver

    It seems Kellman has taken to Twitter in 2017, read and you’ll see he taught Donald Trump. Bare sport
    http://www.twitter.com/kellmansbrain

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  • Oh dear!

    This could be an imposter.

    Have posted on FB to alert the minister to confirm authenticity.

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  • When I tuned into the programme,the three combatants were already in full flight,the caller complaining,the minister defending and the moderator bewildered as ever he is in this new role.I would have preferred to have Ellis refereeing the spectacle.I heard Kellman state that the reason the tiles were affected was as a result of no ventilation or words to that effect.As is the norm Kellman obfuscates issues and prevaricates with an arrogance born of ignorance and lack of proper training.After all what can be expected of a correspondence-course-bookkeeper-in-waiting who offends the accounting profession by incessantly making reference to “opportunity cost” whenever he speaks.He reminds me of the 94 year old who still calls the programme and irrespective of the topic,manages to bring it around to the BLP under the glorious leadership of Grantley and links most of the legacy of that party to he,the 94 year old,providing the ideas to Grantley who ran with them.
    I am no builder but blown tiles might be caused by poor workmanship,poor quality materials,wrong adhesive,presence of moisture or lack of oversight by management.Clearly nobody thought the albino man is capable of poor quality finishes,having no real experience in that type of construction and therefore did not see the need for insurance cover against bad workmanship.If tiles blow or wake up in a new building it is an unusual event.NHC have inhouse legal people.Where is the insurance cover?

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  • A sinking building can pop tiles too, it was one of the first signs noticed in the 2007 collapse of a building into a cave at Brittons Hill eventually taken the lives of 5 persons…….

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  • David

    How could residential accommodation costing upwards of $500.00/sq. foot be low cost housing? THE GROTTO IS HIGH PRICED AND LOW QUALITY HOUSING, SIMPLE.

    Also the purported issue with the tiles (if true) would be covered in any standard building contract under the clause Latent Defects.

    They cannot risk to put people in those Grotto units given that the building may eventually need to be demolished.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/01/05/corruption-lowest-under-dems-report/

    Talking about fake news, who compiles and pt out these lies and misinformation in the public arena, via a fraudulent report……..

    …..Both governments are equally corrupt, they equally rob and steal from the majority population to enrich themselves a 5% minority population.

    What rubbish, these liars in government.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    “Trading Economics says it provides “accurate information” for 196 countries and its data is based on official sources.

    It said on its website that Barbados Corruption Index was last updated this month. However, Transparency International’s recently released report for 2015 did not include information on Barbados.”

    This just proves my point, Transparency International keeps asking the same corrupt government officials about corruption and actually expect to get the truth.

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  • Sunshine Sunny Shine

    Ma girl WWC

    Notice the nicely put headlines that says corruption is lowest under dems report. That says it all.

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  • “Notice the nicely put headlines that says corruption is lowest under dems report. That says it all”

    Other than speculation what proof do we have otherwise?

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  • We are on the ground, we have the ability to observe and to create our own corruption indices -or remain ignorant. Your former boss has dump proof onto of proof in the public domain and what?

    #wherehignorancetisblis…

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  • The Dems will no doubt believe the report,the Bees will doubt its authenticity and let’s hope and pray the 40% who did not vote in 2013,all have their thinking caps on and remember the lowdown 5 million dollar bribe supposedly deposited in his mother’s account,that his brother went to a newspaper to report after the mother died without a will and he too felt he should get his cut after lowdown said …..no way brudder man…..all is mine,all is mine.

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  • Transparency International surely not transparent after all. Why highlight data up to 2014 and refuse to update the latest 2015 data It seems the official supplier of such data probably wearing a Belleville political hat. Nice.

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  • This is January and the official kite flying period begins in April. Why are we taking even a passing interest in a ”Singing Angel” kite being flown by Transparency International? Why a Singing Angel you may ask? Short answer is this. It full of bull…. a good time to ignore the nuisance that noise pollution is.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    SSS……It will come out in the wash.

    Charkes…asking for proof is so yesteryear, you keep waiting fpr proof until the next shitbomb hits, floods all the streets from coast to coast and the beaches…..

    …..,or the next Maloney, Cow, Bizzy, Bjerkham, Tempro Harris, Parris scam empties the treasury completely and finally, aided by semiliterate government ministers….. then there will no longer be need to ask for proof, you will be lining up to ask for bread to est and have no toilet paper to wipe ya ass instead.

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  • Bright Red Cherry

    Harold, the foundation underpinning option for Grotto has been determined to be unfeasible? I was told that NHC has a Canadian company come to advise on options to prevent the sinking, did that not bear fruit?

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  • Bright Red Cherry

    When movement is, or is likely to become excessive, so that the use or safety of the building is compromised, then underpinning may be a solution. It is usually achieved by digging underneath shallow footings and pouring concrete to extend the reach of the foundations down to a stable stratum. Other forms of underpinning include piles (column-like foundations). In some circumstances, pressure grouting (the use of a fluid cement to consolidate the ground itself) provides an alternative to underpinning.

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  • @Bright Red Cherry

    Are you spouting hot air or is there a problem with the foundation. This is a serious comment -you need to put up or shut up on this one.

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  • David

    I would like to know if the foundation story is fake or real,bearing in mind that britton hill is just around the corner so to speak.

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  • @Vincent

    Hence the reason the commenter was asked to put up or shut up.

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  • David

    The income of persons selected to live at the Grotto will determine if the units are “low income” not the constructions costs; hence why the value for money argument is valid. Note Kellman’s response if yuh doubt me.

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  • @enuff

    All the more reason why the government should have manged the cost of the GROTTO. Compare the sq ft cost to a mansion in Sandy Lane for example.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Vincent Haynes January 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM
    “I would like to know if the foundation story is fake or real,bearing in mind that britton hill is just around the corner so to speak.”

    Greetings, Vincent for the New Year. A Sun is reborn in the North. May HE smile on you and bless you with good health.

    The answer to the riddle ‘lies’ in the name given to the property by the owners of yore.

    Local knowledge can be, sometimes, a dangerously informative thing to possess.

    “Grotto” has more hidden in its cavern than just $25 million in pure ‘steal’ in there.

    Check the meaning of the Italian word “Grotta” and in true ‘symbologist’ style tell the BU audience what it stands for in “Inglese”.

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  • And that is exactly my point–pure corruption!!

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  • Miller

    The same to you and yours.

    On point with Grotto,furthermore a geological map of the area confirms its swiss cheese structure.

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  • When you see a man selling handkerchiefs and still sweating profusely in traffic, it tells you that possession is not the same as ownership! Your life belongs to God; you are only having it but you don’t own it. So, be careful what you do with your life before the owner asks for it.
    The last wishes of Alexander the Great………
    On his death bed, Alexander summoned his army generals and told them his three ultimate wishes:
    1. The best doctors should carry his coffin …
    2. The wealth he has accumulated (money, gold, precious stones) should be scattered along the procession to the cemetery …
    3. His hands should be let loose, so they hang outside the coffin for all to see !!
    One of his generals who was surprised by these unusual requests asked Alexander to explain .
    Here is what Alexander the Great had to say :
    1. “I want the best doctors to carry my coffin to demonstrate that in the face of death , even the best doctors in the world have no power to heal ..”
    2. “I want the road to be covered with my treasure so that everybody sees that material wealth acquired on earth , will stay on earth..”
    3. I want my hands to swing in the wind, so that people understand that we come to this world empty handed and we leave this world empty handed after the most precious treasure of all is exhausted, and that is : TIME.
    We do not take to our grave any material wealth. TIME is our most precious treasure because it is LIMITED. We can produce more wealth, but we cannot produce more time.
    When we give someone our time, we actually give a portion of our life that we will never take back . Our time is our life !.
    The best present that you can give to your family is your time and to God is your life..

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  • http://dictionary.reverso.net/italian-english/grotto

    fiddle the riddle… insurance x assurance x time.

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  • @ David and Bush Tea,

    Dennis Kellman is being supported by his boss.

    https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/01/06/forget-about-potholes/

    Somebody help Barbados.

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  • ” revised ” slogan I recommend to the BTMI.

    BARBADOS….. POTHOLES……JUST AN INCONVENIENCE OF LIFE

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  • You all waste time asking a crook questions ? all you will get is lies, Kick backed money and fraud, We still love to see the title deed they working with? Who they paid for the land from the start ( owner)and who did the money went to, It seem more land laundering into the hands of NHC and washed in the Central Banks, builders and Ministers, Was Lawyer Lashley the one the building was build under,? Remember they take turns moving land and switching, under Minister post. When the music stop, who will be left holding the bag of fraud, Poor Kellman they use him like a bloody rag, But not to feel sorry for crooks who are even more a fool. FOCUS ON THE LAND HISTORY TO SEE THE FRAUD, DONT GET TIED UP IN LONG TALK , WHEN IT START BAD IT HAVE TO END WORSE, CAN YOU NOT SEE? YOU POSTING ABOUT FRAUD AND STILL DONT WANT TO CALL IT WHAT IT IS, WELCOME TO LONG TALKING BARBADOS . RIGHT BEHIND THE NATION AND CBC IN BULL,

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  • Read the Senn report from 1946 on the Salinity of wells in the Crist Church south Catchment Area. … Public Library

    Pages 41 and 51 speak of a well at Chelsea Garage the exact location of which I have never been able to determine.

    It looks from the map as though it was just north of Chelsea Road but have never figured out its exact location. It is somewhere between Beckles Road and Chelsea Road.

    What the report says is that the salinity of the well is high “….. which is caused by a cavern through which seawater easily penetrates inland.”

    It is compared with wells close by which are found to have had low salinity levels.

    Its salinity was 85 parts compared with 16.2 parts at the St. Michael’s Infirmary (guess that is now the Geriatric Hospital) just 39 yards away.

    Bedford Lodge just 82 yards away had a salinity of 11.2 parts. I also never determined the exact location of Bedford Lodge.

    The story of the foundations of the buildings at the Grotto intrigues me as I started looking at the lay of the land in the area after Arch Cot seems like an eternity ago but probably only a decade or so.

    Government should have a geologist look at the limestone in the area.

    I can’t imagine the buildings were erected without a Ground Penetrating Radar study given what is known from the Senn Report of 1946.

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  • I can’t imagine the buildings were erected without a Ground Penetrating Radar study given what is known from the Senn Report of 1946.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Boss, then you must be from Mars….

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  • Further inland at Brittons Hill there was a small cave in back in 2011, a few years after Arch Cot, this happened.

    Arch Cot and this other example are on the cliff above the Grotto

    If you look from the entrance to the NUPW property towards the Grotto you will see what we call a watercourse or bottom which suggests there may at one time a long time ago, have been a cave in here.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/36197/danger-hole

    This is the nature of the island on which we live.

    I wouldn’t say was an inconvenience of life as that phrase has been coined by no less a person than the PM in relation to potholes, but I would say it is not an unknown occurrence and has been known in the past to actually kill people.

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  • Are there any geological survey maps of known caves in Barbados?… If they are, please can you post the links here?

    http://www.geraceresearchcentre.com/pdfs/15thGeology/96_MachelKambesisLaceMylroieJRMylroieJESumrall_15thGeology.pdf

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  • Danville can you tell us the name of the persons given a permit from your ministry to import chicken and hamburger patties?

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  • At 39 minutes of the video is a reminder the flipflop on charging citizens for tertiary education. This is what politicians do to win elections.

    On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  • We allow these foreigners to come to Barbados, set up companies, get public contracts, grow wealthy and then laugh at us. We are mad.

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  • “Inniss, who limped home on the slowly deflating tyre, confirmed to the SUNDAY SUN that it was the “second time in about four months I have been the victim of a pothole”, revealing that the first episode cost him almost $3 000 and damage to two wheels. The St James South Member of Parliament, who was visibly upset at the scene, complained that once again he would have to pay to replace a tyre and have the wheel examined for damage”

    Donville Inniss you need to buy a vehicle suited for Barbados roads.

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  • ……………..or buy a car with an autopilot or hire a designated driver.

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  • @Hants

    Last time a member of the BU household spotted the Don he was driving a Prado, a 3 or 4 year model.

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  • @ David,

    Prado = burst tire.

    Corolla = suspension damage or worse.

    He is lucky.

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  • nineofnine

    Over the course of many years this group has systematically identified and mapped many caves in Barbados from the various documented sources and local knowledge.

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  • “$30m dividend for Grotto may be illegal

    THE HIGH RISE GROTTO Housing Project in Dalkeith.

    A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE in a Special Audit of National Housing Corporation high rises – to which Government has not responded – is the possibly illegal use of monies from the Housing Credit Fund as a dividend to pay nearly $30 million for the Grotto complex.
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    It is now emerging that Government ignored its own legal advisers and
    went ahead with the payment even though it was informed, as noted by
    the Auditor General, that “the transfer of $30 million from the Housing Credit Fund to the Government cannot be substantiated in law”.

    Almost three years ago, Government sought a legal opinion on whether the Trustee of the HCF – the Central Bank – has the power under the Trust Deed
    to pay a dividend out of the Fund to the Government.

    This was against the backdrop of a letter dated March 10, 2015, from the managing director of the company, Preconco Limited, to Minister of Finance Chris Sinckler.”

    ALBERT BRANDFORD, albertbrandford@nationnews.com
    Added 22 January 2017

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