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Submitted by Dr.Georgie Porgie
John Boyce, Minister of Health
John Boyce, Minister of Health

I woke up this morning to read this rubbish in the SUNDAY NATION NEWSPAPER of Barbados.

BARBADIANS SHOULD SOON have access to totally free medical attention. The lone offshore medical school operating here, the American University of Barbados (AUB), is only awaiting word from Government to start such clinics. AUB president Meesam Ali Khan said the clinics were delayed because of certain permissions needed from Government, for which the process was ongoing.

AUB is also in talks with the Government for placing super-specialty doctors in their polyclinics for specialised medical care in the field of medicine, pediatrics, orthopedics, surgery, and so on. “The benefit of this will be that the Government polyclinics will have super-specialty doctors without the Government having to pay for it. “It will also benefit the patients because they won’t need to wait for an appointment at the [Queen Elizabeth Hospital], which is already overworked,” said Khan. (SP)

What rubbish? Since September 1985, long before the American University of Barbados (AUB), was conceived, access to totally free medical attention was the norm in Barbados has been the norm. The American University of Barbados (AUB), needs to explain to the people of Barbados where and when and how these clinics will be staffed and where they will be set up.

The Government of Barbados needs to explain to the medical fraternity in Barbados what it is going to spring on the people of Barbados in association with the American University of Barbados (AUB). Is AUB implying that they are no specialists in Barbados in the field of medicine, paediatrics, orthopaedics, surgery, and so on?  Are they going to hire UWI trained doctors and specialists? Where will they bring these super-specialty doctors from? India? Mars?

When I read about “The benefit of this will be that the Government polyclinics will have super-specialty doctors without the Government having to pay for it, I think BEWARE OF THE GREEKS BEARING GIFTS. Since 1978 there have been and increasing number of Offshore Medical schools in the Caribbean. Never before has such an offer been made. Why was not such an arrangement not been made before? Why did not our fumbling Government negotiate such in the terms of they being here in the first place.

How many Bajan doctors are teaching at AUB now?

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A PLOY BY THIS SCHOOL WHICH IS HAVING DIFFICULTY IN FINDING SITES FOR CLINICAL ROTATIONS OVERSEAS. This is a ploy to fool the students of the school that working or following doctors in these clinics that this is the same as their clinical training. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE OFFSHORE MEDICAL SCHOOLS ARE FINDING IT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO GET CLINICAL ROTATIONS IN THE STATES AND ELSEWHERE.

WHO WILL SUPERVISE THESE CLINICS?

ARE OUR PEOPLE TO BE USED AS GUINEA PIGS?

WHAT RULE WILL BAMP AND THE BARBADOS MEDICAL COUNCIL HAVE IN THE SUPERVISION OF THESE CLINICS?

CAN A BUNCH OF INDIANS RUNNING A MEDICAL SCHOOL JUST WALK INTO BARBADOS AND FOOL THE BARBADOS GOVERNMENT JUST SO?

WHAT IS GOING ON?

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126 responses to “American University of Barbados Offers FREE Medical Attention”

  1. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Will this clinical training be accredited? Locally? Regionally? In the US?

  2. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    We have too many fools running things in Barbados. If they were fools alone that would be bad enough but they are the worst kind of fools, GREEDY. That is why they are prepared to expose this country to any conman or conwoman that come along.

    Are they now prepared to kill some of us just to satisfy their greed?

  3. David Avatar
    David

    In a well oiled democracy one imagine the government through its principal the minister of health would have introduced this matter to the public via contributions to House debates or some other fora? We have to be awakened to it from a newspaper report?

  4. Kammie Holder Avatar
    Kammie Holder

    May god help us for the ignorance of those who govern is beyond amazement.

  5. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    AUB is a classical bogus offshore medical school.

    These schools pay for a charter (accreditation) by the hosts country.

    In turn all that is offered the hosts island a number of long stay tourists for about two years, or a little longer depending on how soon the students take to complete their Basic Science part of the course. Cars and houses are rented, and there may be some increased supermarket sales. Most students bring what they need to the islands or have it shipped in.

    The American way is to cram these subjects in 2 years and then to apply to take USMLE step 1 exam. Some bogus schools allow the students to go on to clinical training without passing the USMLE step 1 exam,as this keeps the money flowing in; whereas others other schools demand that USMLE step 1 exam be passed before clinical training can begin.

    Real established medical schools in the UK, USA and other parts of the world have their own teaching hospitals to facilitate the clinical training of their students. Each of the three UWI medical schools have their teaching hospital hospitals. QEH has been a teaching hospital since 1967. Government consultants and UWI teaching staff share in the teaching of both medical students and residents.

    Since 1978 or so beginning with Ross & St Georges, students of offshore medical schools, would go to the USA for their final two years of clinical studies, also called clinical rotations-where they would get exposure to patients mainly as observers without having clinical responsibility. On completion of this phase the students would attempt USMLE step II and STEPS 2SK

    In the early days, there were many clinical spots available, but over the years with the number of these bogus schools increasing yearly, these clinical spots at US hospitals have dried up significantly. This situation has been compounded in recent times by many US schools increasing their student intakes, and subsequently reducing the number of clinical spots available to external students. Also a few years ago St Georges Medical school bought out a large number of available spots for the exclusive use of their students

    About ten years ago there were a few companies in Atlanta Georgia, that were in the business of offering the opportunity for students to shadow, i.e walk around behind doctors in their offices. Some did so well at this they sought to get into the “BOTTOM PART OF THE BUSINESS,” and they started their own bogus island school temporarily.

    AUB is talking about offering free medical care to Barbadians, and they obviously got the idiots in Government in their pockets. Any body in a nice cheap suit can come to Barbados and wave a few US dollars and our parliamentarians will give anything thy need.

    AUB is talking about offering free medical care to Barbadians, BUT IT IS NOT SAYING THAT THEY NEED CLINICAL SPOTS so that they will control both “the TOP and the BOTTOM” of their buisness.

    The medical care MUST BE FREE because they NEED PATIENTS with clinical features for teaching purposes. They need some guinea pigs, you might say.

    THEY ARE NOT TELLING THE GOVERNMENT OF BARBADOS THAT THEY CHARGE EACH STUDENT $12,OOO per semester for each of these clinical spots. If clinical spots were still available elsewhere do you think they would be doing this.

    THE ANSWER IS A BIG NO……..BECAUSE THE STUDENTS ALL WANT TO RETURN TO THE US OR WHEREVER THEY CAME FROM ASAP

    Of course such tuition fees tend to be paid upfront and out of the island.

    ARE OUR PARLIAMENTARIANS THAT DUMB?

  6. David Avatar
    David

    Here is BU’s favourite question – what is the role of the Barbados Medical Council? Is Sir Errol still the head of the council?

  7. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    QUESTION What is a “super specialist”?
    Answer: I dont know. Never met one.

    I know that there are doctors who are specialist in certain areas of medicine…e.g Professor E R Walrond, the lat e Sir A C Graham etc.

    Guess how profitable it will be to AUB to import one of these Drs from India, where they dont get paid well and say pay the old retired fella say US 5ooo per month. Say he has 10 students in his rotation at US 12,000 per 10 week rotation, and he supervises 10 rotations per year. Tell me how much profit would AUB make from one such imported super specialist?

    How much if they brought in 5 “super specialists”

    ARE OUR PARLIAMENTARIANS THAT DUMB?

  8. Observing Avatar
    Observing

    Good food for thought GP.
    Will watch the developments closely.

    “ARE OUR PARLIAMENTARIANS THAT DUMB?

    Is this rhetoric, irony, an oxymoron, all or none of the above?

    Just observing

  9. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    I really have to think a while on this. Hmmmmm…..

  10. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Jeff Cumberbatch May 22, 2016 at 3:22 PM # asked…………….Will this clinical training be accredited? Locally? Regionally? In the US?

    Answer:
    accredited and locally from the standpoint that they have a charter to operate a medical school in Bim and train medical students

  11. David Avatar
    David

    It is difficult to accept the government would not put the AUB proposal to the technocrats at the ministry of health and it be a sole decision of Cabinet.

  12. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Yes..GP, your politicians are that dumb and even dumber than that, I have long disowned them, do not want to be linked to them in any way, they make the education system look bad…John Boyce dont seem to be the sharpest person, anyone can roll into the island with a story and he jumps on board, regardless of the health risk to the people and not even consulting with the people., that is not natural.

    It appears from the med school’s story that these free medical clinics will be held at their facility on the south coast.

    The politicians dont get dumber than that, what can 20K do for QEH, these dudes obviously never excelled at math in school and are alwsas willing to sell everything for a song and pocket the difference.

    I did not realize the medical field has sunk so low internationally, but judging by what obtains locally, it should be no surprise.

  13. David Avatar
    David

    @GP

    What are the implications for Barbados as a country accrediting an offshore hospital?

  14. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    Georgie, my question then is, we hear of the limited number of spots for clinical rotation at the QEH, why then, if the Polyclinics have room for such rotations, are these not being used for UWI trainees to ensure that our own medical doctor supply is expanded?

    My problem with the healthcare, including doctor supply, is that specialist care is now very expensive and is an industry in itself, rather than a process to heal and help the citizens.

    Gosh help you is you need to get medical treatment in US, up in the hundreds of thousands in very little time.

    That, to me, is a scam. Why, in a country where there are so many resources, does one have to mortgage their life to get specialist medical care?

    And yet Libya, before the ‘liberation’, had free medical care for all.

    Sweet for some, not for others.

  15. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    re AUB is also in talks with the Government for placing super-specialty doctors in their polyclinics for specialised medical care in the field of medicine, pediatrics, orthopedics, surgery, and so on.

    THE GENERAL PRACTICE CLINICS HAVE BEEN HANDLING SUCH CASES IN THE POLYCLINICS SINCE 1985.
    VERY GOOD PRIMARY CARE HAS BEEN GIVEN IN THE POLYCLINICS IN THESE AREAS SINCE 1985.

    i have posted on BU since 1985 how this service can be improved but Government is willing to let folk come into Barbados gifts to tell us how to run our health care services

    One hopes that these super-specialty doctors will be properly registered and vetted by BAMP and the Barbados Medical Council and CAMC if needed
    see http://camcouncils.org/node/31

  16. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    re David May 22, 2016 at 5:17 PM #
    It is difficult to accept the government would not put the AUB proposal to the technocrats at the ministry of health and it be a sole decision of Cabinet.

    DAVID WHAT I DISCOVERED TODAY IS THAT I MISSED PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENTS IN LOCAL PAPERS ON THIS ISSUE

    I WILL POST THESE LATER BUT THESE CHAPS HAVE BEEN PERSUING THIS FOR 2 or 3 YEARS ALREADY

    Dont depend on the ” technocrats at the ministry of health” for anything. My experiences in the past is that they were more political and petty than technical.

    I know that there are none down there that know more about bogus offshore medical schools as I do

  17. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Crusoe May 22, 2016 at 5:19 PM #
    Georgie, my question then is, we hear of the limited number of spots for clinical rotation at the QEH

    ANS: This may very well be so, if we are to find spots for our schools medical students

    Q, why then, if the Polyclinics have room for such rotations, are these not being used for UWI trainees to ensure that our own medical doctor supply is expanded?

    In our Polyclinics there are spots for our students for Social & Preventive Medicine & Public Health. Some of our graduates also rotate and actually work in the Polyclinics.
    There is no room for students from bogus offshore students in our polyclinic system. NONE!

    Q.My problem with the healthcare, including doctor supply, is that specialist care is now very expensive and is an industry in itself, rather than a process to heal and help the citizens.

    A Its all about greed!

    yES medical treatment in US IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND IS INDEED A SCAM
    i HAVE EXPERIENCED IT

    bACK TO AUB

    wE USED TO HEAR AS CHILDREN “give you an inch and you want to take a mile”

    THATS AUB
    THERE WERE GIVEN AN INCH…………..A CHARTER TO OPERATE

    NOW THEY WANT A MILE…………..TO TAKE OVER THE POLYCLINICS WITH THEIR SO CALLED “super specialist doctors”

    Lord deliver us from these Indians

  18. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    GP…you also need deliverance from your stupid politicians, they are the ones being callous and careless and allowing it to happen in the first place.

    The indian dudes could not do any of it without the approval of government ministers…,the dude said as much in his article.

  19. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Well Well & Consequences May 22, 2016 at 5:17 PM #

    re I did not realize the medical field has sunk so low internationally, but judging by what obtains locally, it should be no surprise.

    Most if not all of the bogus offshore medical schools in the islands are owned and run by Indian business men …not necessarily doctors.

    More and more they are buying out older schools or starting new schools staffed by young doctors or old retired ones——-all of whom are paid poorly.

    re It appears from the med school’s story that these free medical clinics will be held at their facility on the south coast.
    THAT IS THE IMPRESSION I GET

    WE HAVE LOCAL DRS IN THE POLYCLINICS NOW WHO ARE NOT PAID EVERY MONTH

    WE ALREADY HAVE DRS IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE NOW WORKING IN HOPE OF GETTING PAID

    WHEN I WAS LAST HOME A YOUNGSTER TOLD ME THAT SHE HAD NOT BEEN PAID FOR THREE MONTHS. SINCE SHE WAS AN INTERN SHE COULD NOT DO A THING

    THE LITTLE THAT WE ONCE HAD IS NOW ALL GONE SINCE 2003 WITH THIS LOT
    GOD MUST HAVE A SPECIAL NICHE IN HELL FOR THIS LOT

    WHY IS MIA AND THE BLP NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS AND EMBARRASSING THE GOVERNMENT INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT POORLY TRAINED CUBAN DOCTORS

  20. The Gazer Avatar
    The Gazer

    GP
    I think you have this well covered.
    I am certain that these points will be valid even if this was a European/African concern.
    Don’t distract from your message.

  21. David Avatar
    David

    @Mia et al

    Here is what appears to be another legitimate issue to bring to the public and challenge government. The traditional media reported on on it, it will be up to social media to take it to the next level.

  22. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    gazer
    One of the oldest schools UHSA in Antigua was run by a Nigerian illiterate. He was a Chuicago thug whose family brought him to Antigua running from the polices. He was there doing lots of wrong and returned to the USA at his death in 2009.

  23. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    That is why I don’t trust Mia..she cherry picks what to expose about the government’s activities or lack of action and disregard for things that can negatively impact the people, when she should be exposing everything, all at the same time, but no, she exposes a little, run and holds a march, then goes quiet, by the next time she exposes something again, most people already forgot the last scandal she exposed….when she has all the information in her head and can expose all.

    There is something fundamentally wrong with that strategy that I see as self-serving.

  24. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    David May 22, 2016 at 6:09 PM #
    the Government should ask the school to pay a Cszar to relate to the school and get them to do the right thing for the island

    you dont want super specialist in de polyclinics you need x ray facilities and functional mini labs and some one to direct the action on the ground

    last time I was home the GP at warrens turned up close to 12 noon

  25. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    bushie you right ITS TIME TO BUP!

  26. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    Hello everyone
    I am a doctor at AUB in Barbados

    Dr. Georgie Porgie, is not a qualified medical doctor.

    He is bogus!

  27. The Gazer Avatar
    The Gazer

    Dr. Anon?
    Comedy hour starts at 6:24 and finishes at 7:24…

  28. The Gazer Avatar
    The Gazer

    Dr Anon,
    If you want to be taken seriously, refute the observation made by GP>
    Quite a few here are not MDs, but we too smell a rat.

  29. David Avatar
    David

    @Dr.Anon

    BU can attest to Dr.GP’s credentials can’t say the same about you. Put up or shut the hell up!

  30. David Avatar
    David

    The following extracted from AUB’s Facebook page. A lot of Arabic recorded on the page.

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  31. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Medical school to open clinic
    Added 27 August 2014
    The American University of Barbados (AUB) is planning to open a free clinic at its Silver Sands, Christ Church complex in September.

    “The clinic will handle the range of health problems other clinics do and we will also be delivering free medicine,” AUB president Meesam Ali Khan told the MIDWEEK NATION recently. “We will treat whoever comes in.

    We will be in a position to do CAT (computerised tomography) scans and MRIs (magnetic resonance imaging).”
    Doctors attached to the university will offer their services to the clinic.
    “We want to be more than just a university that trains doctors,” Khan said. “We want to give back to Barbados, which is something done at our associate Era’s Lucknow Medical College in India.”
    UAB founder and chief executive officer Dr Gary Barr told a medical conference here last weekend that Era’s Lucknow Medical College had a 950-bed hospital and treated more than 2 500 patients free of cost daily.

    Both Barr and Ali told the media that AUB and its students were becoming increasingly involved in local outreach programme, working with agencies such as the Diabetes Association and the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Barbados.

    The AUB was set up here as an offshore medical school two years ago. It offers four- and five-year MD degree programmes. Courses cost between $10 000 and $15 800 per semester.
    Some Barbadians are studying at the AUB. (TY)

    SEEMS THEY ARE STILL WAITING AFTER TWO YEARS ALMOST FROM THE ABOVE REPORT to open a free clinic at its Silver Sands, Christ Church complex in September.

    AUB DOES NOT KNOW THAT SINCE 1985 THAT The POLYCLINICS IN BARBADOS handle the range of health problems other clinics do and THAT THEY also be deliver free medicine,”

    HOW CAN AUB OFFER FREE MEDICATION? WILL THEY IMPORT THIS MEDICINE DUTY FREE?

    hEAR THESE JOKERS SINCE 2014 THEY SAID
    We will be in a position to do CAT (computerised tomography) scans and MRIs (magnetic resonance imaging).”
    HAVE THEY BROUGHT IN THE TECHNOLOGY YET?

    HOW MANY STUDENTS DO THEY HAVE TO BE MAKING THIS KIND OF MONEY IN TWO YEARS.
    I AM SURE THEY HAVE NOT MADE THE BREAK EVEN POINT ACCORDING TO FREDERICK THE OFFSHORE SCHOOL GERU.

    DO THEY HAVE A LAUNDROMAT IN SILVER SANDS?

    RE AUB and its students were becoming increasingly involved in local outreach programme, working with agencies such as the Diabetes Association and the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Barbados.

    wHAT IS IT THAT THY ARE DOING SO BOSIE?

  32. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    ANOTHER NWS ITEM FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR NOT FOLLOWED UP BY THE LOCAL PRESS
    THESE JACK ASSES JUST REPORT, THEY DONT ANALYZE

    AUB says free clinic still on the cards
    Added by Marlon Madden on January 12, 2016.

    The American University of Barbados (AUB) School of Medicine has given the assurance that it has not abandoned plans to establish a free clinic here.

    Associate Dean Dr Sam Suhail told Barbados TODAY although discussions were still ongoing, “realistically one year from now” work should start on the facility to be established at the institution’s Silver Sands, Christ Church location.

    In fact, Dr Suhail said an “informal okay” had already been received from the Ministry of Health, but the AUB was awaiting “formal documentation that allows us to go ahead and do this”.

    He promised that the clinic would treat a range of health issues and would be accessible to residents of the community and the country on a whole, as well as provide early exposure to medical students.

    NOTE JOHN BOYCE AND OTHERS HAVE ALREADY SAID YES BUT THE BAJAN PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON

    “So in this respect the clinic will be a key milestone for students who need exposure early on in their education career, to begin to see patients and to become better doctors in the future,” the Associate Dean said.
    The university first announced plans for the free clinic in August 2014, but there has been no movement since. Dr Suhail explained that the delay was due mainly to the need for due diligence and to ensure the best team was in place to provide the highest quality care possible.

    NOTE AS I HAVE SAID THE CLINIC IS ABOUT TRAINING STUDENTS WITH LOCALS AS GUINEA PIGS. ITS NOT ABOUT BAJANS PER SE

    “We need to make sure that we have the doctors that are both doctors and teachers in the clinic and this makes it a little bit more [difficult] for us to reach [our goal]. But it is in the stages for us to reach that goal,” he said.

    WE HOPE FOR SURE THAT YOU CAN GET both doctors and teachers in the clinic lol LOL I HAVE NOT HEARD SUCH RUBBISH

    The AUB official could not immediately say how much was being invested in the free clinic, however he said discussions were ongoing with the Ministry of Health “in terms of what needs to be done”, as well as the Town and Country Planning Department and the Ministry of Education.

    I WOULD BET THAT JOHN BOYCE AND THE MORONS IN BOTH the Ministry of Health OR the Ministry of Education. DONT KNOW WHAT MUST BE DONE

    dont they know that the MINISTER OF EDUCASHUN IS JUST A PRIMARY SCHOO TEACHER AND HE DONT KNOW NUTTIN BOUT EDUCASHUN FAR LESS MEDICAL EDUCASHUN.

    DONT THEY KNOW THEY GOT THE WRONG BOYCE. JAMES WOULD KNOW BUT JOHN DONT KNOW. DIDNT HE EVEN FAIL HIS BREWING EXAMS?

    “We have drawn the blueprints for it already and progressively we are expecting to have it [the infrastructure] increased . . . over time. But the most important thing is getting the required approvals and I hope that the Government of Barbados will work with us to facilitate this in a faster manner in terms of giving access to the public here in Barbados.

    YOU SEE THEY WANT ACCESS TO THE BAJAN PUBLIC

    “It is important that we do comply to make sure that the emphasis is on quality care and making sure of course that we operate within the bounds of all legalities and all recognition within the country of Barbados,” he added.

    FOR A START HAVE YOU HIRED ANY BAJANS ON YOUR TEACHING STAFF?
    HAVE YOU HIRED ANY BAJANS REGISTERED TO PRACTICE IN BARBADOS?
    CAN YOUR WOULD BE TEACHERS PASS THE CAMC EXAMS?

    Dr Suhail spoke to Barbados TODAY this morning at the institution’s 2016 spring semester orientation for just over two dozen new students, most of whom came from India.
    MOST OF THE STUDENTS IN THESE SCHOOLS THESE DAYS COME FROM INDIA or Africa

    BAJANS WHO ATTEND THESE SCHOOLS JUST CANT CUT IT TO GET INTO UWI AND HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES OF GETTING ROTATIONS OR EVEN GETTING INTO A RESIDENCY —– WHICH YOU MUST ACHIEVE TO GET TO WORK /PRACTICE IN THE USA

    OUR GOVERNMENT CONTINUS TO SELL OUT THE SILVERWARE FOR A MESSAGE OF POTTAGE

  33. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    “YOU SEE THEY WANT ACCESS TO THE BAJAN PUBLIC”

    That says it all, the ultimate goal.

    What is truly frightening, this dude Peter Harris, from India as well, is building a bunch of doctors offices in those buildings close to the Roberts Manufacturing plant in government hill, the old buscuit factory….what does Barbados want with all these doctors, there are already nearly 700 of them, ya dont need more doctors, ya need quality care for the population.

  34. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    GP asked ”WHY IS MIA AND THE BLP NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS AND EMBARRASSING THE GOVERNMENT INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT POORLY TRAINED CUBAN DOCTORS”

    Because ALL politicians are about walking the line between getting the voters on their side and keeping businessmen happy.

    Sadly, it is not only the politicians who are to blame for this state of affairs.

    Many businessmen are corrupt, willing to ‘do what they have to’ to get ahead.

    And many, professionals, who should and are supposed to do better, also toe the proverbial ‘line’ to keep professional fees, I can tell you that is a fact.

    Disgusting. My view of many dropped a good few years ago, when I realized that the bs some spout is no more than that, bs, bs and more bs.

    And THAT, is why the world, including Barbados, is in the state that it is in.

  35. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Well said @Crusoe. I read all this with a smile. In order for what is being proposed to come to fruition not only does the Ministry have to play ball but also the entire Bajan financial apparatus specifically the insurance folks.

    Surely if doctors are going to be actually practicing in our facilities as tutors to these students then they will have to be registered and fully indemnified accordingly.

    This is completely different from a med school setting up shop to offer courses.

    But anyhow the Dr GP is on the case so all should be ventilated and reviewed with due care.

    There are some tangential queries coming out of this new development for illiterates like me.

    The Med Schools – bogus as they are being described – have been in the region for years now. They have been producing these students for that entire time who were practicing on other guinea pigs…was it Black folks in low-level hospitals in US or other minorities?

    Have we only now gotten indignation because the guinea pigs are going to us Bajans?

    This entire off-shore Med School boon-dongle has always about money and never about “health care”, not so????

    They have grown and prospered in the region so regardless of reasons this move is basically a natural progression.

    Simply stated they should not have been here in the first place as we were facilitating the bogus-scams. But it was easy country revenue with its own little multiplier effect.

    The corruption and the see no evil collusion with the local medical societies is obviously well-entrenched

    But all that said, we of course cannot allow unqualified docs to run amok in our health system but I suspect that they will be allowed in if all the corporate bills are paid, they are properly insured and there are enough lettered doctors who are glad to get a lovely expense paid vacation in Bdos to do a little teaching & practice. We shall see.

  36. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    The school at St Georges is said to be good but it is very expensive to attend and unnecessarily so.

    Ross was started by a rich man so that his servants child go get into medical school. I actually sat in an Anatomy class there in 79 when my cousin was in attendance in the first class. Ross eventually sold the school to Devry.

    As noted before none of the Governments where these schools are convened never saw these schools as more than sources for long term tourists for two years. They had /have no other interest in the school since at no time did the students practice in these islands, nor did the schools have any interests in supplying staff equipment or any useful thing to the host country.

    AN OFFSHORE MEDICAL SCHOOL IS ESSENTIALLY PARASITIC IN ITS ACTIVITY, IN MY OBSERVATION.

    In Antigua, UHSA was in existence for over 28 years before a Vet who taught Microbiology there instituted a few local research projects.

    For most of the time no schools were located in any of the three UWI campus countries until AAIMS began in January 2011 and AUB in 2012.

    AIMS ran for over 3 years before they were allowed some clinical spots in Jamaica for the local students. So far none of the students have graduated because of poor management inter alia

    AUB is only the second school in a UWI campus containing country. We have gone from not alowing bogus offshore schools in our country to having a school where the Indian management want to bring in “super specialist doctors” to run amock on our people.

    THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF DE PRIMARY SCHOOL TEACHER AND THE MEDICAL ILLITERATE IN THE MOH STARTING BARE SPORT

  37. Pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    Pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ GP

    Look GP, I jes dont trust americans, they are liars especially the “albino-centric” ones (I borrowed that word from Bush Tea)

    but here the thing about a white man coming from Murica to set up shop here.

    If you coming from Englant I going write the UKTI and the British Commission for them to give me confirmation of your confidentials and I gine get my Ambassador in Englant to get off his fat backside having croissantes and get pun de street and find out about the effer.

    Similarly so wid Murica and Canada entities and all de udder places. But we got suck doggie specialists and as long as dem coming from Murica and got a twist up tongue we does get excited and palpitate over de White Meat (Me Clare Who YOu?)

    Read this GP There is anticle at the lucknow.locanto.in on this place

    Their advertisement reads “Our students have WENT on to excel in performance on Step 1 of the United States Medical Licensing Exam (USMLE)on par with their United States and Canadian medical school counterparts, just one statistic that attests to the quality of the AUB medical education program.”

    When you seek to advertise (falsify?) an identity your background linkages and your english (language) MUST BE IMPECCABLE, a mistake like that, in the medical discipline, smacks to me of “fly-by-nightism”.

    Whu GP when you decline either of those verbs from the Latin, whuloss man, it is impossible to arrive at HAVE WENT!!

    But do this for de ole man

    Go to duckduckgo dot com and do a search on the Dean/Associate Dean Sameer.

    Normally a search on the internet will bring up “tangential info” on a person, that is the nature of big data, BUT NOT EVERY tangential reference to yourself, is from yourself (Linkedin)

    His references are truncated and “circuitous” i.e. they lead back to themselves in short he has used himself as his own references, that is concern to anyone especially one who “fabricates things” either as in make, or contrive, lololol.

    Check the timelines associated with the scanty published materials on the Head Honcho at that American University of Barbados.

    AND THEN,the only deviation from that is one shady looky website called aicgc.org/ where Sameer? features on the about page but is called Sam AND HIS QUALIFICATIONS WHICH FEATURE PROMINENTLY ON THE AUB SITE, are noticeably shorter.

    That said there is no timeline on that entity, NOR a display of his time there, so his qualifications might have been different at that time, but one still notes the difference.

    By the way if you look at the AUB “About page” it says “message from the Dean” but he signs Associate Dean

    Anomaly is a sign to be suspect of.

  38. Pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    Pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ GP I have posted one article in response to what you said about the AUB 13 times

    But it is not being accepted her and all that is displaying is “Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!”

    the Blogmaster will assist later or tomorrow when he gets up

  39. David Avatar
    David

    @PUDRYR

    Your comment went to Spam bucket, not sure why.

    @GP

    Is there precedent for an offshore medical facility getting involved in the domestic health care program of the country?

  40. Pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    Pieceuhderockyeahright

    Ok David

  41. Pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    Pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ GP

    Check the timelines associated with the scanty published materials on the Head Honcho at AUB.

    Of one thing we can always be sure is that Americans are loud and boisterous and make a great hullabuloo about themselves and where they have been educated where they worked etc. So when a man does not do that you get concerned.

    In reviewing his timelines you note that his references are truncated and “circuitous” i.e. they lead back to themselves, in short, he has used himself as his own references, that is a concern to anyone especially one who “fabricates things” either as in make, or contrive, lololol.

    Look GP, I jes dont trust americans, they are liars especially the “albino-centric” ones (I borrowed that from Bush Tea but here the thing.

    A white man coming from Murica to set up shop here. Oh he ent white is he, but you get my drift as it relates to the natives genuflecting to the peeple from overseas.

    If you coming from Englant to set up business here you would figure I going write the UKTI and the British Commission for them to give me confirmation of your credentials and I gine get my Ambassador in Englant to get off his fat backside having croissantes and get pun de street and find out how the effer.

    Similarly so, wid Murica and Canada, and all de udder places. But we got suck doggie specialists and as long as dem coming from Murica and got a twist up tongue we does get excited and palpitate over de White Meat (Me Clare Who YOu?)

    Read this GP

    http://lucknow.locanto.in/ID_482397613/AUB-American-University-of-Barbados-of-Medicine-AUB.html

    Read their advertisement “Our students have (WENT) on to excel in performance on Step 1 of the United States Medical Licensing Exam (USMLE)on par with their United States and Canadian medical school counterparts, just one statistic that attests to the quality of the AUB medical education program.

    When you seek to falsify an identity your background linkages particularly the language that is used MUST BE IMPECCABLE a mistake like that in this discipline of exactitude, smacks to me of fly-by-nightism.

    Whu GP when you decline either of those verbs from the Latin, whuloss man, it is impossible to arrive at HAVE WENT!!

    But do this for de ole man. Go to duckduckgo.com and do a search on the man. Normally a search on the internet will bring up “tangential info” on a person, that is the nature of big data BUT NOT EVERY reference about yourself should be from yourself (Linkedin)!!

    Then, the only deviation from that is one shady? looking website called http://www.aicgc.org/ where Sameer? features on the about page but is called Sam AND HIS QUALIFICATIONS SO VISIBLE ON THE AUB SITE, are noticeably shorter.

    That said there is no timeline on that entity that speaks to his time there, so his qualifications might have been different but one notes the difference.

    By the way if you look at the AUB “About page” it says “message from the Dean” but he signs Associate Dean, I ent know bout dem tings, maybe Jeff would know

    Anomaly is a sign to be suspect of.

    Oh btw all he trying to do now is get in he Injun family from calcutta when he applying for dem specialist doctors to come into we clinics and treat we like dogs. But now dat i tink bout it dat is de same way the DLP treating we right now isnt it??

  42. Pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    Pieceuhderockyeahright

    I tried to post that item again David. that is 15 times. I dun wid dat

  43. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    The American University of Barbados is NOT, I repeat is NOT an American medical school. If you doubt me ask the American Embassy in Barbados:

    http://barbados.usembassy.gov/contact_embassy.html

  44. David Avatar
    David

    @PUDRYR

    BU released several of the comments please advise. Note 3+ links will go to Spam.

  45. David Avatar
    David

    https://www.facebook.com/MedSckoolReviews/videos/1005163126181319/

  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    David May 22, 2016 at 10:45 PM #
    @GP

    Is there precedent for an offshore medical facility getting involved in the domestic health care program of the country?

    NO SIR NOT AS FAR AS I KNOW

    PiECE

    i AM NOT SO GOOD ON SURFING LIKE YOU BUT I NOTICE THAT AICG IS ONE OF THESE COMPANIES IN THE BUISNESS OF PROVIDING “clinical rotations”
    very interesting!
    SEEMS IT IS A FAMILY BUSYNESS TOO

    PERHAPS THEY WANT TO MOVE SOME OF THAT BUISNESS HERE WHERE THE WEATHER IS BETTER AND CONSTANT

    I SEE THE LUCKNOW AD
    THESE FELLAS ARE ADVERTISING REAL HARD SAH

  47. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    Georgie Porgie is right. The school needs clinical rotations for its students as it is becoming increasingly difficult for any medical school to obtain clinical rotations in the highly competitive/highly desired hospitals in the U.S., U.K., Canada etc.

    So Bajan patients will be it.

    My questions: Who will supervise these clinical rotations? If our polyclinics and hospital must provide clinical training for this for-profit medical school won’t that then deprive our own Bajan/Caribbean students the opportunity to receive training? (bearing in mind that the number of patients is a finite resource) And why would we wish to deny our own students training opportunities?

    And onec these foreign medical students are trained do we get to keep them? Or will they be of to greener (backs) pastures in the U.S., U.K., Canada etc.

    And what effect will this have on the provision of medical care for Bajans?

    Bear in mind that the majority of Bajan citizens/taxpayers will NEVER have enough money which will enable them to access medical care in the U.S., U.K., Canada etc. So when we train foreign doctors who then take off to richer countries how does that benefit our Bajan grannies and grandads, and how does that benefit our Bajan infants.

  48. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Piece
    iNITIALLY OFFSHORE BOGUS MED SCHOOLS WERE POPULATED BY AMERICANS AND CANADIANS

    FOR THE LAST 10-15 YEARS OR SO THE ADVERTISING LURE IS TO SEEK TO GET INDIANS AND NIGERIANS WHO CAN PAY TO COME TO THE ISLANDS IN THE HOPE OF SETTLING AND WORKING IN THE USA
    I WILL TRY TO INFORM THE BLOG FROM VALUEMD ABOUT HAS BEEN HAPPENING TOTHE DREAMS OF MOST OF THESE PEOPLE

    OFFSHORE BOGUS MED SCHOOLS IS BIG SCAM BUSINESS
    SOON YOU WILL HEAR THE BAJAN STUDENTS INVOLVED BAWLING IN OUR LOCAL PAPERS

  49. David Avatar
    David

    Looking abroad

    Jones prepares to welcome outside students
    Added by Neville Clarke on May 4, 2016.
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    Three more offshore medical schools are coming to join the American University of Barbados in providing medical training here.

    Minister of Education Ronald Jones made this disclosure today while leading off debate on the Caribbean Accreditation Authority Education in Medicine and Other Health Professions (Incorporated) Bill, 2016.

    While noting that there were currently over 31 offshore medical schools operating in the Caribbean, Jones told Parliament Government had already granted permission for two more such institutions to be located here.

    The Member of Parliament for Christ Church East Central explained that one of these schools— the Queen University Medical School of Barbados — was likely to commence operations in September, to be followed by the International School of Medicine of Barbados.

    The Minister of Education further disclosed that another application was under consideration for the establishment of the Washington School of Medicine of Barbados and pointed to the economic benefits to be derived from having such institutions domiciled in the Caribbean.

    In this regard, he said the St George’s University in Grenada, which began as an offshore medical school, now provides about 30 per cent of the country’s gross domestic product.

    He also expects that with the addition of three offshore medical schools, Barbados could be playing host to over 2,500 medical students at any given time, in addition to those studying medicine at the Cave Hill Campus of the University of the West Indies.

    It was back in 2010 that the American University of Barbados was granted permission to set up at Wildey, St Michael, and later at Landsdown, Christ Church.

    Jones noted that the institution had started out with 25 students at its Wildey, St Michael location, but it was forced to move to Landsdown as its numbers grew to just over 150.

    He said the school’s intake was expected to increase even further to 200 medical students by September, while the first group of graduates from the five-year programme prepared to leave. (NC)

  50. David Avatar
    David

    EDITORIAL: Benefits from offshore schools

    EDITORIAL,

    Added 08 May 2016

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    LAST WEEK the House of Assembly debated the first reading of the Caribbean Accreditation Authority for Education in Medicine and Other Health Professions (Incorporation) Bill

    This bill seeks to implement the agreement reached by Caribbean nations for accreditation of medical schools in the region. It is noteworthy that a committee made up of knowledgeable experts will evaluate and report on schools applying to operate in the region, and in so doing, it will also seek to ensure the highest standards and so avoid any “fly-by-night” operators.

    This important piece of legislation will enable this country to promote and encourage the establishment here, of what are sometimes called offshore medical schools, and, when enacted, will compliment our ongoing national effort to position this country as a service economy open for legitimate international business.

    Indeed Attorney General Adriel Brathwaite told the House that he wants to see the island better market itself as a provider of educational services of an international standard; because he notes that there could be serious economic benefits for the island if we aggressively promote the island as place where international schools have successfully made an impact. He thinks that we can export educational services just as we export financial services.

    It is difficult to fault the thinking of the learned Attorney General. He has had the experience of living and working in a jurisdiction which is a leading centre for the establishment of financial services and he would have seen first-hand the benefits which can accrue to a country from such activities when the service is vigorously marketed.

    We already have one foreign-owned medical school established here, and the House was told that charters had been granted to two other schools with the application for a fourth school under consideration by local authorities.

    Barbadians will be very much aware of the major contribution which the well established St George’s Medical School continues to make to the economy of Grenada, a factor which adds weight and support to the Attorney General’s point of view.

    Whatever may have been misgivings in past times, we urge Barbadians to support this measure. Offshore medical schools have in the past three decades gained acceptance and recognition as centres where high quality medical education is given and proficient and knowledgeable students are produced.

    What are required are procedures and policies which ensure that the educational standards of these schools match those in the United States, so that continuity and success is assured.

    We simply cannot afford to have a proliferation of offshore medical schools across the region with varying standards. The regional agreement is designed to head off this possibility so that proposed operators cannot try to play games pitting one island against another.

    With hindsight it is regrettable that the building formerly housing The St Joseph Hospital has fallen into some disrepair since it might have been a desirable location for such a school. That may have been an opportunity lost.

    Nevertheless we must grasp the current trend in the exporting of educational services. The Cave Hill campus has started the teaching of English as a foreign language, and its recently constructed hall of residence bordering on Highway One is also a foreign exchange earner since it caters mainly to foreign students.

    Barbadians should support this latest push to diversity our services sector, for once successful, it will bring much needed employment and foreign exchange to our country.

    – See more at: http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/80969/editorial-benefits-offshore-schools#sthash.9SY5r08J.dpuf

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