Water to the Cattlewash Crew
Cattlewash
The following diagram was posted by BU family member Colonel Buggy with the following note:
Not all of St Joseph people are affected by this chronic water shortage . I have yet to see a BWA water tanker in Cattlewash, with the local gentry lugging buckets, pails and poes to collect water, or filling up from one of those plastic stand tanks. This diagram is my interpretation as to why Cattlewash has been spared the indignity of going back to the stand pipe.
St. Elizabeth Village Reservoir feeding Cattlewash
Barbados Underground 
Why do we have a requirement to install water storage tanks when building a new building, but no requirement to use it? There are countless water storage tanks across the country which remain unused. I believe it is also illegal to use stored rainwater to flush WCs. Why?
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@ John , my father told a story which happened many many years ago. Strong Hope plantation in St Thomas was drawing water from a well using a half barrel type tub. At one point when the tub was hauled up, it had a penknife stuck in its side. The tub was quickly sent back down, and before waiting for it to fill up, was drawn back to the top, complete with a passenger. Apparently this man, a European , went exploring ,the caves, probably starting out from Coles Cave and ended up in the water well.
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@Caribbean Trade Law January 6, 2016 at 2:01 PM #
The sad fact is that we know what should be done but we refuse to do it.
Suffice it to say that we are more caught up with slavery,reparations and 50yr celebrations,than setting our own path towards achieving our own destiny by using our natural talents.
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@Vincent, agreed. However, I also believe in the whole adage that a government is only as good as the people governed. When will we start demanding more of the people whom we elect to govern us? David is doing a great job here on BU of highlighting many issues which the traditional media is reticent to touch. But how many Bajans would actually join in supporting him if he were to try to form a third party to help effect the change we all say we want? I believe elected officials have a duty to the people but we the people also have a duty to take a greater interest in what is going on and hold our officials accountable. Another problem is too many Barbadians are blinded by party loyalty.It is why I have never and refuse to align myself to either party. How many Barbadians actually vote based on actual policy positions and the visions offered by the parties, as compared to personality? My guess is, not many.
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“How many Barbadians actually vote based on actual policy positions and the visions offered by the parties, as compared to personality? My guess is, not many.”
About 7%
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Our society is one based on fear.
Fear debilitates
Fear blinds
Fear creates silence.
…. yet it was not always so.
Some of the major events in the past 50 years that define who we are today are the disappearance of Mark Stokes, the Pele Parris murder, enough missing persons to suggest a serial killer in our midst, countless examples of blatant victimizations that go un addressed yet it is clear who are the perpetrators.
Party loyalty is based on fear.
Fear that you will get exposed for your misdeeds, fear that the people who repeat to you over and over that you cannot survive without them will desert you …. just fear in general.
We are a nation of bullies.
The various programs to demonstrate the evils of bullying at school show how easy it is for the actor playing the role of the bully fits into the role.
We are going nowhere.
The people we fear are totally useless.
They cannot get us out of the hole we are in.
…. but we can!!
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I think what is needed in the hydraulic system in the diagram to make it work is a submersible pump in the reservoir at the base of the inverted U and a check valve.
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I vote based on my policy position …. whoever is in needs to be kicked out!!
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I realized a long time ago that our politicians, aspiring or not are totally useless failed individuals whose role is to promote fear and dread among the electorate …. and of course, to steal from me and others.
I would love to change my policy and vote for someone who actually has a policy position but I don’t think that will ever happen on this side of the grave.
Not one has a policy position!!
…. just a lot of hot air.
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If John continues in this vein, bushie will overhaul the whacker and hang it up until further notice….
…de man pushing a bobcat den….!!!
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So true. Whoever is in needs to be kicked out. Sad but true,
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An enjoyable break over the past few days allowed me to vent on my pet topics, water and politicians.
John Mwansa says the BWA is short 2 million gallons per day (mgd)
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/76130/mwansa-immediate-relief-st-joseph-folk
Now, if any of you were up to mark on the 1978 water resources study you would find that the Porter’s catchment which was unused up to the mid 1990’s except by Portvale Factory during crop was expected to yield 2mgd!!
Obviously with the current lack of rain it would yield less, but lets say it was good for 1.8 mgd.
BWA could address the problem better than through the temporary measures it is taking as described in the article.
The 1978 study called for its use in the mid 1990’s as the projected consumption would by then have meant that all of the available water resources had been allocated.
However, the geniuses we had in Parliament became enamoured with golf and permitted the development of Westmoreland as a golf course and upscale residential development.
I am pretty sure it was O$A, Ms. Mottley and that lot who were directing operations at the time.
So I think that Ms. Mottley should take stock, come again and apologise to the voters she assumes to be totally stupid for her error of judgment.
I see O$A ain’t saying peep …. quiet like a little mouse!!
Her energies would be better used if she got down on her knees and prayed for rain.
She might grow in stature as a result.
Chances are the situation will get worse as the dry season begins soon, so if you think there are problems now wait a few months.
Of course rain would help enormously.
Ah boy, I hear a little bit now on the roof.
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Who read the story in today’s Nation that covered the Town Hall meeting in St. Joseph? It was reported that fights are breaking out among villagers at the community tanks locations. Is this 2016?
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@ David the “villagers” are thirsty, stink and frustrated. Tempers will flare.
Barbados is a “2 hour drive” . How difficult can it be to fill a tanker truck and drive it to the community tanks?
This fiasco is just plain wutlessness.
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With all the technology and doctors and gurus we have in Barbados , we find it a damn hard struggle to lay pipes and supply water in a 2×4 island. Yet for 1200 years the Romans built a 16 kilometre aqueduct at Caesarea Phillipi (on this rock I’ll build my church location) supplying a large community with water from Mount Carmel and beyond. The elevation of this aqueduct was 100 of an inch.
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Hants January 7, 2016 at 7:36 PM #
Or run a temporary above ground 8 inch blue pipe from St Elizabeth above ground reservoir, which is fed directly from NewCastle to Castle Grant. Orfrom the feed line from the Newcastle input to the Pumping station on top of the East Coast Road.
Castle Grant really is not that far away. The line can be laid along Joes River-Vaughns Land- Surinam and through Castle Grant Gully.
Did you not hear the Attorney General on the CBC news tonight saying that some of the pipes in the affected area run through gullies. Shows you how much they know of St Joseph. 100 % of the water works pipes in St Joseph are beside the main roads. Perhaps someone should also tell him that Coffee Gully IS a village,and not a gully as he seems to think
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Hants January 7, 2016 at 7:36 PM #
@ David the “villagers” are thirsty, stink and frustrated. Tempers will flare.
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My family and friends in St Joseph , maybe frustrated , but never stink nor thirsty . Tempers may flare yes, but mostly over B Vs D ,and what a damn pity!
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The principle of Siphon-ing
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The Minister of Water Resources and Agriculture has spoken tonight on CBC Evening News on a St Joseph issue.
Quote : ” The demolition of Andrews Sugar Factory is on stream .”
What he really said to the suffering St Joseph people is “Foxtrot Yankee”
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Charles Marville the senior engineer at BWA was on the news which gives rise to the question why does he not run the Water Works Dept. He was lucid , informative and gave hope to the St. Joseph folk. Mwansa is unsuitable for GM, drawing charts in a backroom is more his speed.
Where is Estwick it was laughable hearing the Attorney General mouthing off on the water woes. Estwick you are the pit bull come out of the shadows and manhandle this problem. You are letting your groupies down.
It looks like the rains are here its rained almost daily since late December if this keeps up Mia, Dale and Cynthia will be chased out of Chimborazo with their parasols up.
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When the dust is settled on this water cock up, I hope that we will see a reversal in the policy which centralised the operations of BWA. Let us once again have a Supervisor and a team of service men stationed at Castle Grant reservoir to look after the day to day maintenance of the lines and the outlying associated above ground reservoirs.
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As the residents of Boscobel and surrounding areas gathered at the Boscobel Community Centre to tell of their horror stories tonight, the overwhelming feeling was one of anger and frustration
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/76436/boscobel-residents-frustrated-about-water-challenges#sthash.LhQ6gw86.dpuf
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It still hasn’t sunk in.
If there is no water it can’t be distributed.
… and water can’t run up a hill, the basic principle of the siphon shown in the second diagram cannot work.
It has to be started, water has to be forced up the hill and over the loop.
Years ago people used to routinely siphon gas from cars and knew how it worked.
Barbadians used to understand the principle.
The trick was not to get a mouthful of gas in the process.
I used to be a master but I tried it a couple of days ago and realized I had lost the art.
That was the pump that started the process, suction.
The pressure in the tube was reduced by suction and atmospheric pressure forced the gas up and over … and if you were not careful into your mouth.
No body in Barbados has a mouth big enough to fit over the pipe shown in the photo at Castle Grant.
…. well that is debatable …. some would say there are some politicians who could qualify!!
That’s why the diagram shown of the inverted U can’t work, it needs a pump and a check valve because no one has a big enough mouth to start it … the politicians are engaged in damage control around the areas their decisions have affected trying to avert blame.
Their mouths are otherwise engaged.
… and that’s why the problem will probably never be fixed, no one will take responsibility, and in particular, not one of the people who caused the problem in the first place.
When the rain comes the problem will abate as demand slackens but it will never go away.
One suggestion from Dale “I are an Idiot” Marshall is that the BWA give rebates to consumers.
On the surface it sounds good but I think it should only apply to consumers who can show they have tanks to catch water when it runs and have followed the BWA’s standard advice.
Those who don’t are stuck going to the community water tanks and fighting among one another.
Maybe the politicians can take up a collection among one another and give the affected consumers tanks and stop wasting time talking.
Alternatively they can go to Castle Grant and see if one or more has a mouth big enough to fit over the inverted u pipe and suck.
Unfortunately, if the reservoir is empty all they will suck is air …. and we all know politicians don’t suck air, they warm it up and blow it!!
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I think the basic problem for St. Joseph is that there is a limited amount of water available to be distributed to the area.
What water is available is available until it is gone.
Then it is off.
I think what may be happening is that as more residents take the advice of BWA and install tanks the limited amount of water fills those tanks and gets used up quicker.
If you don’t have a tank you are without water for longer periods and you just don’t give yourself the opportunity to access the limited amount when it is on.
BWA appears to have addressed this with the community tanks.
It would seem to me that the people who use this option could be doing so because they just did not catch the water when it was available.
As far as they can see, the water is off for weeks at a time because they have not given themselves the opportunity to catch it when it is on.
They don’t need a whole pump system, just a tank to catch some water.
There must be a way they can be given a tank and ball valve …. even if it is the politicians that do the giving.
Everybody is piece of a plumber in Barbados .. I enjoy the exercise immensely.
It would be much easier than having to travel to the community tanks, get water and travel back.
It is possible that neighbours could share the cost of a tank and split the cost of the water bill but that will probably lead to fighting.
Who pays the water bill.
In this day and age better if each household has a tank.
Bajans just don’t live well together anymore as they have “progressed”.
The pump system and check valve that would take water from the tank and pressurize the household plumbing can be bought locally from various suppliers.
Money is the only limiting factor, that’s why I say a plain tank will do fine until a pump system can be afforded.
It is easier to walk with a bucket from your backyard to your house.
When I was a boy, the last standpipe on the line was just outside my house.
My house had piped water because the main was just outside.
In those days we were on flat rate.
Every day people form the tennantry about a mile away headed water home or came by donkey cart and filled up with sufficient for their stock and themselves.
We have come along way since then as the geology of the island became better understood and sources of water became available through advancing technology.
We forget the past at our peril.
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It would look as if the BWA may need to fit two water tanks at each location. One red and the other yellow.
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I would like to think that the politicians will just see voters who are being inconvenienced by not having tanks whether B or D and give all tanks irrespective of party affiliation.
Then, just shut up and crawl back under their respective red or yellow stones and try to figure out what to do to correct their past errors.
The suggestion of Red and Yellow tanks just goes to show how the acceptance of the status quo breeds fear and makes us all poorer as a result.
That’s why the various child actors who play bullies in the various ads to promote the cessation of bullying are so convincing.
Doing what they see their parents do just comes naturally.
God help us when they take over!!
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Its not fear, but blind loyalty.
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Would the Government of Barbados allow West coast hotels to be without water for 2 days ?
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No Hants
I don’t know if they are in the same boat as the old Hilton which had large underground storage tanks and a pump system which supplied the hotel but I would guess most have taken the same precaution.
It is no secret the water supply has its problems.
If I owned or ran a hotel I would not rely on Government to keep my guests water supply on 24/7!!
I would take matters into my own hands and seek to mitigate the problems I know can arise.
Besides, the whole system is gravity fed …. the last people to be without water would be at the lowest elevations ……. barring a catastrophic burst main which has happened already in the Ivy.
My hotel would be secure for a few days at least.
I would shoot for a week as that is I believe the average length of stay of our guests.
I would not get caught!!
My guests would be safe and secure in the knowledge that I had planned and taken care of contingencies as far as I could.
…. but you are right.
I am sure when the main burst in the Ivy and the reservoirs could not be replenished that Government made sure that what was there was directed to the south coast ….. but many Bajans live there too so they would have also benefited.
Colonel, Watch and see, blind loyalty is conditioned by fear and once the St. Joseph folk realize the politicians can and will do nothing for them except talk, that loyalty and fear will evaporate.
That is why Mia calls it a crisis.
I guess she is scared too, maybe even more scared than the party faithful …. fear at work
You may see party loyalty evaporate before your very eyes.
Isn’t St. Joseph supposed to be a BLP stronghold …. from the times of Sir Grantley?
This lot can do nothing for their suffering constituents.
Lets see what happens next time around.
If I were a voter in St. Joseph and a sheep presented itself as a candidate, I would vote for it!!
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But Colonel, you raise an interesting point, maybe this is all manufactured to undermine the BLP in St. Joseph and St. Peter ……naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ….. BS.
I know different!!!
The water supply is maxed out and these problems are consistent with that.
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@ John . If I were a voter in St. Joseph and a sheep presented itself as a candidate, I would vote for it!!
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And the late businessman ,Undertaker and MP for St Joseph, LLoyd”Boychile” Smith, once said at a political meeting , that if he present one of his coffins, with the letters BLP printed on its side, he knew that the people would vote it into the House Of Assembly.
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The BWA is being primed to highlight its inefficient management headed by an acting furrier man wid a funny name.
Don’t be surprised if Bizzy not in the loop for when BWA go to borrow money the lender say OK but you have to sign here that you will privatize by 2025.The octogenarian would counter OK but you have a have a local company with a 51% stake.Enters Bizzy and Shazam we now know why it’s back to ME Cox days circa 1937,complaining about lack of water to all of Barbados,and EWB in the 50’s saying all Barbadians pay some form of taxation,therefore you can’t discriminate between town and country.These jokers we have for a govt do.Not a peek from Estwick the gun slinger,still pointing his gun at Marshall.
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@Hants . At least not Sandy Lane Hotel which has its own Desalination Plant, and word has it that Sandy Lane had offered the Government a supply of water from that Plant , but this offer was never accepted.And we probably know why?
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@Gabriel
Why has Maloney not submitted an adopt a main/pipe as yet?
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Colonel, Boychile was any relation to Sleepy and that lot?
Gabriel, Government was not involved in the water supply companies at the beginning.
It stepped in when they failed to deliver!!!
You heard what I said.
Private enterprise has already failed where the supply of water to Barbadians is concerned.
Going back that route is a bad, bad idea.
The problem is not with BWA you know, it is with the higher levels, its board and the politicians.
We need a strong independent BWA where water is concerned, it is just too important a utility.
If privatization were put on the table we could as well just roll over and die.
….. not really, that would be worth fighting!!
The evidence is there!!
Remember the Piggies at the Trough award, private interests and O$A!!
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….. oops, sorry, I mean Sir Sleepy.
These fellows very sensitive about their titles!!
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… and Colonel, times are a changing!!
The coffin trick won’t work any more, but the sheep will once it can communicate!!!!
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Why has the Minister NOT instructed the BWA to ensure the community tanks are filled 24/7 until a longer term solution is found?
The Minister could even put some cases of bottle water and take it to st. Joseph.
Better still the BWA should supply each household with 2 cases of bottle water per day.
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See what I mean!!
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FOR ME, here is the acid test of the BWA’s stewardship over the past 20 years.
It was projected since 1978 that by 1996 all of the easily available water resources would have been allocated.
Yet, 20 years on where I live, the most deprivation I have suffered is a few bouts of burst pipes which are usually repaired in a matter of hours measured from when the repairs start.
I just don’t get water problems.
I am blessed.
I am at around the 300 foot contour and am supplied by as far as I know Fort George which is at 400 feet, more or less.
There is a good pressure head and the volume is reliable.
I speak from memory but I believe Fort George is supplied from wells in the Valley at New Market and Belle.
These wells sit on the largest reserves of sheet water in the island.
Quality is the only issue I have!!
That’s why I went to Nicky Sealy in 1987.
If I moved my domicile up in elevation I know I would have water problems.
The supply wells would access stream water and the volume would be restricted. So I could expect outages.
I shook my head when I passed and saw perfectly good agricultural land being developed in St. Joseph approaching Horse Hill.
All I could think was how the @$$ could Government allow this crap.
I still harbor those thoughts.
The most I have been without water is a half day, and it is rare.
Back in the late 80’s the water was off for a week.
It was a burst pipe and the spate of construction of new roundabouts and the ABC highway resulted in the turn off valve being barber greened over.
According to the BWA supervisor on the job, “we had to dig wild”!!
I sure he was cussing the MTW supervisor who screwed him up.
I know from looking at the Economic indicators up to a few years ago that since 1996, BWA has pumped more or less the same volume it pumped in 1996.
I stopped looking and I will confirm if that is still the case sometime, I doubt it has changed.
I believe the projections of 1978.
The only way that the BWA could be able to deliver essentially problem free supply to ME and I reckon most of the island could be that it has been addressing the leakage issue and reducing unaccounted for water.
They have “created” more available water through skillful management.
There is no other substantial way I can think of.
There is other evidence to support my conclusion.
I used to be on flat rate but there was a concerted effort to meter every consumer and so be in a position to account for every drop of water.
That was in the late 1990’s, after 1996.
I believe the program came out of the Water Resources Study from the mid 1990’s.
The meters are now being upgraded and from my discussions with the installers of my upgraded meter, it will be possible to read large numbers in an area by the press of a few buttons.
That activity is directed at accounting for every drop of water the BWA pumps and distributes and doing so quickly.
When I saw the current mains replacement I at first threw my hands up in disgust because I thought it was to open up more lands to further development. I have that thought on hold because I realize that it is more likely an attempt to further reduce the leaks from the system and to allow BWA to know exactly where all of its major mains are.
They want to create even more water from what they have.
I suspect the new mains will allow for shifting of large volumes between reservoirs so I expect that in the future, I too will get outages and those higher up in elevation will have a more reliable water supply.
I don’t have a problem with that.
I will just install the pump system I already have and get a bigger storage.
The game we all are in is about skillful management of a very scarce resource and I give BWA high marks for their participation in in it.
They just need to educate a few more people from the top down about how the system works and the roles they need to play, from the top, to the bottom.
Make it mandatory for any politician or aspiring politician to travel down in Bowmanston Well in the bucket and actually see what is involved in getting our water.
Maybe leave a couple of them down there for a week or so!!
Maybe it will make them think harder before making what I think are totally harebrained decisions on our future.
I know the trip down was offered to and accepted by many employees of BWA who would probably never experience it.
They know what is involved in getting the product they sell.
Until some economic activity arises that can pay for full blown desalination on a major scale, we are stuck with the limit Nature has imposed upon us.
Forget oil, the price has gone through the floor!!
Last but not least my metered bill now is usually minimum charge, $32.00.
Twenty years ago when I was on flat rate it was $44 and a few cents!!
I have enjoyed trouble free access to water and am paying less than I once paid.
I am blessed and truth be told, most Bajans are in the same boat as I am.
Marks out of 10 for the BWA as far as I am concerned, a 7!!
Education, education, education, do more education!!!!!!!
We know not but do not know that we know not.
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@John. What is the elevation of Bissex Hill on your map? I recall a time when policemen , most of them on a “punishment posting” to the station up there, had to travel down to the village below in a truck to collect water in drums.
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Some years ago someone had published on this site , details of a kind of grass ,which like blotting paper, sucks up and stores rain water.
Perhaps we need to look at this grass , instead of setting our sights on the cultivation of King Grass and Wild Tamarind.
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The trig point at Bissex Hill was the mast at the Police Station.
The 1951 map shows it at 965 feet above sea level.
The trig point at Castle Grant is shown as 1110 feet, I have been saying 1104, apologies!!
Mount Hillaby at 1115 feet
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Have any of the blp footsoldiers come with a solution on how to make rain. For one it would be a for sure guarantee to winning the next election
Enough of the stupid whinning and bellyaching if the footsoldiers have the best interest of the St. Joseph people this water problem would have been tackled and resolved in their fourteen term of goverance.
Enough of the crocodile tears !who you misfits trying to fool
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My rain God is calling for a sacrifice of 30 souls before releasing the clouds.
But lets face it., water is in abundance in the St Joseph area, we may nor be able to see for the overgrown bush,but there are powerful streams running from the back of Castle Grant, joining up with some in Surinam , Vaughans , Frizers and Joes River. Most of this water ends up in the seas at Edge Water. Why can’t we take a leaf out of Sir Cow’s book and divert these streams into a central dam somewhere in the Frizers area.
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mr meteorologist also known as the garbage police if you have so much knoweldge why then have you been so selfish for the past umpteenth years why did you not share such knoweldge with the past govt of fourteen years you are guilty as those you condem,instead of wasting your time as an idle blogger you could have saved the poor people of st Joseph much suffering by dispensing your reservoir of geological expertise to past govt
By george ac is really mystified and alarmed to know that one of the simple solution to the water problem in st joseph is cutting down the bush SMFH
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http://www.hitachi.com/environment/showcase/solution/industrial/desalination_plant.html
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“plans were being made to lease and install two portable containerised desalination plants in the north”
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/76516/bwa-ease-water-agony#sthash.Z5EbVWFF.dpuf
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ac January 9, 2016 at 11:04 PM
Mr Meteorologist -Garbage Police does not hold KCMG, that is s knighthood from the Queen, and not the one from Belleplaine, so your lot is not going to listen to people like me.
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MoreUrine Holder has told Barbadians to stop criticising the BWA. In other words , shut up and tek it.
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This water problem is just another symptom of bad management, anyone with commonsense could have seen years ago that water resource planning and URGENT implementation was necessary, in fact, as much as over seven years ago or more, this very issue was discussed on wither this or the dormant Barbados Free Press or both, re the need for more water reservoirs and desal plants.
Fact.
It is all a sad joke really. Typical however.
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@Colonel Buggy January 9, 2016 at 10:38 PM #
We have mentioned before the need for dams in the Scotland District…..greenland and bawdens need revitalising…….the studies will show what needs to be done…….how many times must the point be made that we know what has to be done but lack the will to do it…..talking is our best forte……sad.
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Crusoe
It’s been on going since 1946!!!
Where were you?
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The Scotland District is unstable and pretty built up now.
Dams would be problematical, probably silt up if they lasted any length.
However, the Scotland River and the Greenland River both reach the sea at the sand pit, Long Pond and Green Pond.
The other major “river” in the Scotland District is St. Joseph’s River, or Joe’s River so called because it passes the site of the old parish church in Frizer’s Valley.
Two out of three is not bad.
Here is where it might be possible to get access to almost fresh water.
Purification would be cheaper than full blown desal.
The owners of the Sand Pit the useful life of which is coming to an end are possessed of an extremely valuable asset, the last unused “fresh” water resource in Barbados.
They are busy putting into effect a plan which will see the Sand Pit revert into what sounds to me like an eco farm and are very conscious of the need to leave something lasting in an area on which the construction industry has been based and has been pretty much stripped bare.
You see why I say construction is a dead end activity in Barbados?
No water and soon, no sand!!
Sir COW I hear is making his.
…. still we are lucky that the vision of the Right Excellent the Honourable Errol Walton Barrow never came to fruition.
I am told that he actually foresaw a pier with a conveyor belt into the Atlantic at which sand barges would dock to be loaded with sand for export to the world!!
… probably influenced by the Deep Water Harbour but just did not understand how the land works.
You also see why I don’t have much use for politicians!!
We really have been cursed.
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