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Jeff Cumberbatch – New Chairman of the FTC

As the excesses of the Christmas Day just past recede in the national consciousness, we prepare this week to welcome in 2016. At the close of this year, there seems to be a popular consensus that the local economy is on the up, although this assertion remains unsupported on most occasions by any evidence, persuasive or at all.

I suppose a healthy optimism is in itself a Very Good Thing, although the more cautious among us would wish for more authoritative empirical proof of this most fortunate event.

In this, the final column for 2015, I propose to touch on some matters across the region, fully cognizant of the risk that I may be accused by some of the citizens of those states of interference in their national affairs. That is, of course, provided they disagree with my views, as the Ambassador of the European Union would have discovered recently when he dared to offer an opinion on corporal punishment that differed radically from the antediluvian views of some locals who will not be swayed one jot or tittle from their simplistic and fundamentalist literalism that the “rod” in Proverbs 13:34 sounds too much like the “tambrin” (tamarind) rod, a favoured instrument for the parental infliction of pain in my youth, to mean anything else.

Clearly, the Ambassador’s opinion would be considered interference only because it conflicts with theirs; readers will recall that there was no such allegation against former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan when he cryptically, but supposedly flatteringly, claimed that Barbados punched above its weight in international fora.

It might have ever been thus. Chafed at criticism of the policy of racial segregation operative in Alabama some years ago, the then Governor George Wallace is reported to have said, “We shall continue to maintain segregation in Alabama completely and absolutely without violence or ill-will…We ask for patience and tolerance and make an earnest request that we be allowed to handle state and local affairs without outside interference…” The patent distinction here, of course, is that the Governor was far more gracious in his disagreement than the locals.

In any event, the accusation of external interference leveled at Mr. seems particularly misplaced given the context in which His Excellency spoke. As I have been urging for some time, the issue of state sovereignty should scarcely arise in a circumstance where the critical issue is compliance with the provisions of a voluntarily ratified international treaty, unless the accusers are prepared to argue that we possess the geopolitical clout to be international floutlaws of sacred global pacts. I am almost certain that this is not what Mr. Annan meant by “punching above our weight”.

When is a year nine months only?

I was intrigued by a report in the Barbados Advocate on Tuesday last week that Justice Errol Thomas of the Dominica High Court had called on prison authorities to stop what he called “the unlawful practice of reducing prison sentences without the authority of the court”. It may be widely known that the prison year is commonly thought of as a period of nine, instead of the calendar twelve, months.

In response to the assertion of the Superintendent of Prisons that “on arrival at the prison, the convicted person is given a one-third reduction to the sentence that is re-imposed only for misbehaviour during his time there”, the learned judge posited, “The only person authorized to reduce a sentence is the judge. No prison judge or officer has the right to reduce any sentence as soon as a prisoner enters the prison…it’s unlawful…that cannot be right…You are undermining the judgment of the court…” The Superintendent’s appeal to custom and practice –“it’s been happening for 31 years …if it’s a bad practice, it [has been] bad long time…” availed nothing. Thomas J reiterated his point about its unlawfulness.

I am not aware whether the matter has as yet been satisfactorily resolved in Dominica, but it is a nice point. I also do not know whether the identical position obtains there, but in Barbados the Prison Rules 1974, made under the Prisons Act, Cap 168, provides for the lawfulness of this procedure. According to rule 41, where relevant, “…arrangements shall be made by which a prisoner who is serving a sentence of imprisonment whether by one sentence or by consecutive sentences, for a period exceeding one month… may by good conduct and industry become eligible for discharge when a portion of his sentence not exceeding one-fourth of the whole sentence has yet to run…”

There would thus seem to be some lacunae in the popular thought. First, the sentence does not appear to be commuted, as the Dominican prison official claimed, “upon arrival at the prisons”, but rather it appears that a decision has to be made, at the time when at least three-quarters of the sentence has been served, as to whether the remaining period should be commuted or not. This is dependent upon “good conduct and industry” having been exhibited by the prisoner during his sojourn there.

Further, contrary to the view of the learned judge that it undermines the judgment of the court, it seems rather to be a matter of constitutional jurisdiction. While the court sentences the convicted person to a period on imprisonment; the prison authorities are empowered to determine the precise extent of that period. The current arrangement would appear to contemplate an inbuilt remission of sentence, although this is conditional on the prisoner’s good behaviour and industry.

Where a similar statute applies, and the sentencing court feels strongly enough about the issue, the necessary mathematical calculation will have to be effected by the judicial officer. Since one prison year may eventually be nine (9) months, then, in order to ensure a convicted person actually serves a total of five (5) years, the formally imposed sentence should be at least seven (7) years. Interesting!

Who is entitled to the Myrie benefits?

Recent reports about the substantial fiscal benefits realized by those regional jurisdictions that grant citizenship to foreign nationals (and their immediate families) who are prepared to invest handsome sums into their economies have caused me to wonder whether the decision to do so should not have been a collective CARICOM decision, given the legal implications for the other jurisdictions in that regional grouping that do not offer this entitlement on similar terms.

My musing is based on the fact that the Revised Treaty of Chaguaramas, at Article 32 (5), provides that “a person shall be regarded as a national of a Member State if such person (i) is a citizen of that State…”

And in its judgment in 2013 in the case brought by Shanique Myrie against Barbados, the Caribbean Court of Justice asserted that both the rights of establishment and of the provision of services “presume of necessity the right of movement of Community nationals without being obstructed by unreasonable restrictions” and that “an essential element of the right of free movement is the entry and stay of a Community national in another Member State hassle free, that is to say, without harassment or the imposition of impediments…” (My emphasis)

Since the economic citizen and his family would become citizens under the Revised Treaty, they should logically be entitled to those rights aforementioned on entry into any other Member State.

I note that Article 32 also provides that “the competent Organ shall establish basic criteria for Member States in order to safeguard against manipulation or abuse of such rights so as to gain an unfair advantage against other Member States…in the area of nationality criteria…” However, I have serious doubts as to whether this adequately covers the point that I am making here.

It would appear that by permitting or suffering certain states to create citizens through other than the ordinarily accepted means, the other CARICOM members may have unwittingly enlarged their treaty responsibilities in terms of entry of persons into their countries. Intriguing!

To you dear reader, a blessed, thoughtful, healthful and prosperous 2016.


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317 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Yuletide Musings”

  1. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ David January 3, 2016 at 2:48 PM

    LOL!!
    If I had only mentioned the Mesozoic era (Triassic / Jurassic / Crustaceous periods) that would have incentivized the batty Mr. Cut & Paste to overload your blog with Methuselah-long unscientific mumbo-jumbo.


  2. @ Miller, Evolution, is a Philosophy, NOT a Science, it is pseudo-science.

    What criteria must be met for a THEORY to be considered as scientific in the usually accepted sense? George Gaylord Simpson has stated that “it is inherent in any definition of science that statements that CANNOT be checked by OBSERVATION are NOT really about anything…or at the very least, they are NOT science.” (G.G. Simpson, Science 143:769 (1964) Emphasis.

    Miller, you and your evolutionary pseudo-scientists, are SPINNING-TOP-IN-MUD…MUD that’s THOUSANDS of years old, NOT millions!

    Biological evidence for a young age of the earth.

    Image: Dr Mary Schweitzer
    Cells and connective tissue can be clearly seen.

    The finding of pliable blood vessels, blood cells and proteins in dinosaur bone is consistent with an age of thousands of years for the fossils, not the 65+ million years claimed by the paleontologists.

    DNA in ‘ancient’ fossils. DNA extracted from bacteria that are supposed to be 425 million years old brings into question that age, because DNA could not last more than thousands of years.

    Lazarus bacteria—bacteria revived from salt inclusions supposedly 250 million years old, suggest the salt is not millions of years old. See also Salty saga.

    The decay in the human genome due to multiple slightly deleterious mutations each generation is consistent with an origin several thousand years ago. Sanford, J., Genetic entropy and the mystery of the genome, Ivan Press, 2005; see review of the book and the interview with the author in Creation 30(4):45–47,September 2008.

    This has been confirmed by realistic modelling of population genetics, which shows that genomes are young, in the order of thousands of years. See Sanford, J., Baumgardner, J., Brewer, W., Gibson, P. and Remine, W., Mendel’s Accountant: A biologically realistic forward-time population genetics program, SCPE 8(2):147–165, 2007.

    The data for ‘mitochondrial Eve’ are consistent with a common origin of all humans several thousand years ago.

    Very limited variation in the DNA sequence on the human Y-chromosome around the world is consistent with a recent origin of mankind, thousands not millions of years.

    Many fossil bones ‘dated’ at many millions of years old are hardly mineralized, if at all. This contradicts the widely believed old age of the earth. See, for example, Dinosaur bones just how old are they really? Tubes of marine worms, ‘dated’ at 550 million years old, that are soft and flexible and apparently composed of the original organic compounds hold the record (original paper).

    Dinosaur blood cells, blood vessels, proteins (hemoglobin, osteocalcin, collagen, histones) and DNA are not consistent with their supposed more than 65-million-year age, but make more sense if the remains are thousands of years old (at most).
    Lack of 50:50 racemization of amino acids in fossils ‘dated’ at millions of years old, whereas complete racemization would occur in thousands of years.

    Living fossils—jellyfish, graptolites, coelacanth, stromatolites, Wollemi pine and hundreds more. That many hundreds of species could remain so unchanged, for even up to billions of years in the case of stromatolites, speaks against the millions and billions of years being real.

    Discontinuous fossil sequences. E.g. Coelacanth, Wollemi pine and various ‘index’ fossils, which are present in supposedly ancient strata, missing in strata representing many millions of years since, but still living today. Such discontinuities speak against the interpretation of the rock formations as vast geological ages—how could Coelacanths have avoided being fossilized for 65 million years, for example? See The ‘Lazarus effect’: rodent ‘resurrection’!

    The ages of the world’s oldest living organisms, trees, are consistent with an age of the earth of thousands of years. http://www.creation.com


  3. Dinosaurs – a Powerful Testimony for Creation.

    Sensational dinosaur blood report!

    Actual red blood cells in fossil bones from a Tyrannosaurus rex? With traces of the blood protein hemoglobin (which makes blood red and carries oxygen)? It sounds preposterous—to those who believe that these dinosaur remains are at least 65 million years old.

    It is of course much less of a surprise to those who believe Genesis, in which case dinosaur remains are at most only a few thousand years old.

    In a recent article,1 scientists from Montana State University, seemingly struggling to allow professional caution to restrain their obvious excitement at the findings, report on the evidence which seems to strongly suggest that traces of real blood from a T. rex have actually been found.

    M. H. Schweitzer
    T-Rex soft tissue

    These photos are of a later (2005) find by Schweitzer which produced soft tissue, in addition to strengthening the red blood cell identification—see Still Soft and Stretchy
    Left: The flexible branching structures in the T. rex bone were justifiably identified as “blood vessels”. Soft tissues like blood vessels should not be there if the bones were 65 million years old.

    Right: These microscopic structures were able to be squeezed out of some of the blood vessels, and can be seen to “look like cells” as the researchers said. So once again there is scope for Dr Schweitzer to ask the same question, “How could these cells last for 65 million years?”

    The story starts with a beautifully preserved T. rex skeleton unearthed in the United States in 1990. When the bones were brought to the Montana State University’s lab, it was noticed that ‘some parts deep inside the long bone of the leg had not completely fossilized.’ To find unfossilized dinosaur bone is already an indication more consistent with a young age for the fossils (see More on fresh dino bone, below).

    Let Mary Schweitzer, the scientist most involved with this find, take up the story of when her co-workers took turns looking through a microscope at a thin section of this T. rex bone, complete with blood vessel channels.

    ‘The lab filled with murmurs of amazement, for I had focused on something inside the vessels that none of us had ever noticed before: tiny round objects, translucent red with a dark center. Then a colleague took one look at them and shouted, “You’ve got red blood cells. You’ve got red blood cells!”’2

    Schweitzer confronted her boss, famous paleontologist ‘Dinosaur’ Jack Horner, with her doubts about how these could really be blood cells. Horner suggested she try to prove they were not red blood cells, and she says, ‘So far, we haven’t been able to.’

    Looking for dinosaur DNA in such a specimen was obviously tempting. However, fragments of DNA can be found almost everywhere—from fungi, bacteria, human fingerprints—and so it is hard to be sure that one has DNA from the specimen. The Montana team did find, along with DNA from fungi, insects and bacteria, unidentifiable DNA sequences, but could not say that these could not have been jumbled sequences from present-day organisms. However, the same problem would not be there for hemoglobin, the protein which makes blood red and carries oxygen, so they looked for this substance in the fossil bone.

    More on fresh dino bone …

    To claim that bone could remain intact for millions of years without being fossilized (mineralized) stretches credibility. The report here of red blood cells in an unfossilized section of dinosaur bone is not the first time such bone has been found.

    Biologist Dr Margaret Helder alerted readers of Creation magazine to documented finds of ‘fresh’, unfossilized dinosaur bone as far back as 1992.3

    The evidence that hemoglobin has indeed survived in this dinosaur bone (which casts immense doubt upon the ‘millions of years’ idea) is, to date, as follows:

    The tissue was coloured reddish brown, the colour of hemoglobin, as was liquid extracted from the dinosaur tissue.

    Hemoglobin contains heme units. Chemical signatures unique to heme were found in the specimens when certain wavelengths of laser light were applied.

    Because it contains iron, heme reacts to magnetic fields differently from other proteins—extracts from this specimen reacted in the same way as modem heme compounds.

    To ensure that the samples had not been contaminated with certain bacteria which have heme (but never the protein hemoglobin), extracts of the dinosaur fossil were injected over several weeks into rats. If there was even a minute amount of hemoglobin present in the T. Rex sample, the rats’ immune system should build up detectable antibodies against this compound. This is exactly what happened in carefully controlled experiments.

    Evidence of hemoglobin, and the still-recognizable shapes of red blood cells, in unfossilized dinosaur bone is powerful testimony against the whole idea of dinosaurs living millions of years ago. It speaks volumes for the Bible’s account of a recent creation. http://www.creation.com


  4. What growth rate is needed to get six billion people since the Flood?

    It is relatively easy to calculate the growth rate needed to get today’s population from Noah’s three sons and their wives, after the Flood. With the Flood at about 4,500 years ago, it needs less than 0.5% per year growth.6 That’s not very much.

    Of course, population growth has not been constant. There is reasonably good evidence that growth has been slow at times—such as in the Middle Ages in Europe. However, data from the Bible (Genesis 10,11) shows that the population grew quite quickly in the years immediately after the Flood.

    Shem had five sons, Ham had four, and Japheth had seven. If we assume that they had the same number of daughters, then they averaged 10.7 children per couple. In the next generation, Shem had 14 grandsons, Ham, 28 and Japheth, 23, or 130 children in total. That is an average of 8.1 per couple. These figures are consisent with God’s command to ‘be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth’ (Genesis 9:1).

    Let us take the average of all births in the first two post-Flood generations as 8.53 children per couple. The average age at which the first son was born in the seven post-Flood generations in Shem’s line ranged from 35 to 29 years (Genesis 11:10–24), with an average of 31 years,7 so a generation time of 40 years is reasonable.

    Hence, just four generations after the Flood would see a total population of over 3,000 people (remembering that the longevity of people was such that Noah, Shem, Ham, Japheth, etc., were still alive at that time).8 This represents a population growth rate of 3.7% per year, or a doubling time of about 19 years.9

    If there were 300 million people in the world at the time of Christ’s Resurrection,2 this requires a population growth rate of only 0.75% since the Flood, or a doubling time of 92 years—much less than the documented population growth rate in the years following the Flood.

    Australian Aborigines—cultural traditions connect to Noah

    In addition to population figures, there is much other evidence against the supposed long ages of Aboriginal occupation of Australia—the observed rapid deterioration of supposedly ancient paintings, for example.15

    Furthermore, many Aboriginal tribes have stories, long predating their contact with Christian missionaries, of a global Flood, sometimes with startling similarities to the Bible’s account, but with sufficient differences to show that they were not recently incorporated into their folklore following contacts with missionaries.15 It is stretching credulity to suggest that these stories have been maintained by word-of-mouth for 40 to 60 thousand years, or that they were invented and just by chance have these incredible similarities to the Bible account.

    The Aboriginal population and their stories are much more in line with their having been a nomadic/‘gypsy’ people who found themselves in Australia relatively recently—certainly after the biblical Flood.

    A remarkable coincidence?

    The Jews are descendants of Jacob (also called Israel). The number of Jews in the world in 1930, before the Nazi Holocaust, was estimated at 18 million. This represents a doubling in population, on average, every 156 years, or 0.44% growth per year since Jacob. Since the Flood, the world population has doubled every 155 years, or grown at an average of 0.45% per year. There is agreement between the growth rates for the two populations. Is this just a lucky coincidence?

    Hardly. The figures agree because the real history of the world is recorded in the Bible.

    What if people had been around for one million years?

    Evolutionists claim that mankind evolved from apes about a million years ago. If the population had grown at just 0.01% per year since then (doubling only every 7,000 years), there could be 1043 people today—that’s a number with 43 zeros after it.

    This number is so big that not even the Texans have a word for it! To try to put this number of people in context, say each individual is given ‘standing room only’ of about one square metre per person.

    However, the land surface area of the whole Earth is ‘only’ 1.5 x 1014 square metres. If every one of those square metres were made into a world just like this one, all these worlds put together would still ‘only’ have a surface area able to fit 1028 people in this way. This is only a tiny fraction of 1043 (1029 is 10 times as much as 1028, 1030 is 100 times, and so on).

    Those who adhere to the evolutionary story argue that disease, famine and war kept the numbers almost constant for most of this period, which means that mankind was on the brink of extinction for most of this supposed history.10 This stretches credulity to the limits.

    Where are all the bodies?

    Evolutionists also claim there was a ‘Stone Age’ of about 100,000 years11 when between one million and 10 million people lived on Earth.

    Fossil evidence shows that people buried their dead, often with artefacts—cremation was not practised until relatively recent times (in evolutionary thinking). If there were just one million people alive during that time, with an average generation time of 25 years, they should have buried 4 billion bodies, and many artefacts. If there were 10 million people, it would mean 40 billion bodies buried in the earth.

    If the evolutionary timescale were correct, then we would expect the skeletons of the buried bodies to be largely still present after 100,000 years, because many ordinary bones claimed to be much older have been found.12 However, even if the bodies had disintegrated, lots of artefacts should still be found.

    Now the number of human fossils found is nothing like one would expect if this ‘Stone Age’ scenario were correct. The number found is more consistent with a ‘Stone Age’ of a few hundred years, which would have occurred after Babel.13 Many people groups could have used stone tools as they moved out from Babel (Genesis 11), having lost the technologies of metal smelting (Genesis 4:22) due to the Flood and the confusion of languages at Babel.

    Immigrant peoples, when they settled in a new area, would have had an initial phase where they would shelter in caves, or have rudimentary housing. They would have made use of stone tools, for example, while they developed agricultural techniques appropriate to the local soils and climate, found sources of ores, and rediscovered how to manufacture tools, etc.

    Groups that descended into animism might never emerge from this ‘stone age’ of their development, because of the stifling effects of such things as taboos, and fear of evil spirits. One tribal group in the Philippines, for example, had a taboo against water, causing rampant disease due to lack of hygiene—before the Gospel of Jesus Christ rescued them from superstition.

    Aborigines making fire
    Australian Aborigines—how long have they been in Australia?

    When Europeans came to settle in Australia in 1788, it was estimated that there were perhaps only 300,000 Aboriginal people.14 And yet today we are told that the people have been here for 60,000 years or more. Now there is no way that a mere 300,000 people had exhausted the plenty of this large country so as to account for a long period of very low population growth. If we allow for one-third of the land area as desert, it means that there was only one person for every 18 square kilometres (7 square miles) of habitable land area—hardly overpopulated, even for a subsistence existence.

    If 20 people had come to settle some time after the Flood, say 3,500 years ago, it would have needed a population growth of a mere 0.28% per year to produce 300,000 people. Such a minimal rate operating over 60,000 years could produce more people than there are atoms in the Milky Way Galaxy!

    The real history of the world is recorded in the Bible, the Word of the Creator-God who was there in the beginning. This record shows that the world was deluged and destroyed (Genesis 6–9, 2 Peter 3) so that all people living today came from those who survived aboard Noah’s Ark. A study of population growth clearly supports this biblical record. http://www.creation.com


  5. Mitochondrial Eve and biblical Eve are looking good: criticism of young age is premature
    by Carl Wieland

    6 July 2006

    Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) indicates that all women have descended from a single woman, called mitochondrial Eve.1 This does not prove that she was the only woman alive at the time, but is consistent with it. High mutation rates indicate that this ancestor lived at about the time of the biblical Eve as well.

    A critic has tried to discredit this creationist case. However, he has nothing more than special pleading to explain away data that contradict his materialist paradigm. And he misrepresents the logic of the case—creationists have always used this as evidence consistent with the Bible, while he misrepresents them as using it as proof.

    Creationists have enthusiastically welcomed the ‘mitochondrial Eve’ hypothesis (i.e. that all modern humans can be traced back to one woman) because it clearly supports biblical history and contradicts evolutionary scenarios.

    A few years ago I reviewed the status of mitochondrial Eve research, showing that the identification of mitochondrial Eve with biblical Eve was becoming stronger as more evidence on measured mutation rates accumulated.

    I explained how the mitochondrial Eve findings were in line with biblically based expectations. While not proving the biblical Eve, they were consistent with her reality, and were not predicted by evolutionary theory. However, the dates assigned to mitochondrial Eve had been said by evolutionists to rule out the biblical Eve.

    But these dates were based upon ‘molecular clock’ assumptions, which were calibrated by evolutionary beliefs about when certain evolutionary events occurred, supposedly millions of years ago. When these assumed rates were checked out against the real world, preliminary results indicated that the mitochondrial ‘molecular clock’ was ticking at a much faster rate than evolutionists believed possible.3

    That is, it directly ‘challenges’ the evolutionary long-age claim. If correct, it means that mitochondrial Eve lived 6,000 to 6,500 years ago, right in the ballpark for the true ‘mother of all living’ (Genesis 3:20).

    In addition, I explained that these real-time findings also seriously weaken the case from mitochondrial DNA, which argues (erroneously) that Neandertals are not true humans. http://www.creaqtion.com


  6. When are you guys going to admit that none of you can prove your point? I believe that God exists. I cannot prove it so I don’t even try. Attempts to disprove His existence will prove equally futile. But I guess you guys have a different view. So enjoy!

    Zoe,

    No-one can see God. The only way they will be converted is through seeing His power emanating from believers in the way we live our lives. Not by a whole bunch of snide “academic” arguments. But hey, I guess you are not bothered about that, huh.


  7. @Zoe,
    You are nuts!! Read Sylvia Browne”s book, The Mystical Life of Jesus, and my book, Yeshua, A.K.A. Jesus the Nazarene. Read with an open mind (if that is possible with you. The many myths and contradictions in the Old Testament ( and some of the New Testament) should be dismissed out of hand.


  8. The Bible was not meant to be taken literally. Anyone who does that will find himself arguing against science and losing.


  9. Science and the Bible: Does the Bible Contradict Scientific Principles?

    Respectfully, Donna, stay out of what you do not understand! True scientific principles, NOT the pseudo-science of Evolutionists, always confirm the Biblical narrative account, never contradicting it! God created True science! True science is NOT at odds with the Bible, its pseudo-science that is at odds with Almighty God and His Creation!

    People of Faith – Famous Scientists). In fact, Isaac Newton, in his famous scientific work, Principia, stated, “The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being.”


  10. @ Zoe

    “Donna January 4, 2016 at 10:33 AM #: The Bible was not meant to be taken literally. Anyone who does that will find himself arguing against science and losing.”

    Where in the above comments does Donna imply she was referring to the pseudo-science of Evolutionists?

    You have an irritating tendency of interpreting and twisting the contributions of others in manner that would “coincide” with your particular agenda, as well as attempting to demonstrate you have a high level of superiority on the subject matter. This is illustrated by your condescending remarks leveled at those of us who you have judged to be inferior.

    Why can’t YOU, as a person who PROFESSES to be an AUTHORITY on the Bible and its history, present YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVES or INTERPRETATIONS of the Bible, rather than “copy and paste” the articles, interpretations and opinions of other writers?


  11. Artex

    “Why can’t you present your own perspective and interpretation of the Bible rather than copy and paste articles, interpretations and opinions of other writers?”

    What is wrong with copying and pasting data from others sources, to support an argument for the existence the Bible?

  12. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe January 4, 2016 at 11:57 AM
    “Respectfully, Donna, stay out of what you do not understand! True scientific principles, NOT the pseudo-science of Evolutionists, always confirm the Biblical narrative account, never contradicting it! God created True science! True science is NOT at odds with the Bible, its pseudo-science that is at odds with Almighty God and His Creation!”

    Ain’t no wonder you pride yourself to be an ever expanding jackass that has been swallowed by an irrevocably constipated constricting snake.

    We can conclude, therefore, that “True science” contradicts the ‘holy’ books of all other faiths and major world religions especially the Bhagavad Gita and the recent Koran deemed to be the final revelation of God’s word to man.

    As far as your “True science” is concerned the following religions do NOT “mount up” to a hill of beans in the eyes of your supremely racist god which takes great pleasure in instructing its stupid worshippers to commit rape and mass murder against innocent children, women and men:
    Baha’i, Buddhism, Confucianism, Jainism, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Mormonism, Paganism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism.

    Now Zoe to prove the point here is a bit of cutting and pasting from your holiest of holy books of truth and facts about your anthropomorphic, mass murdering god backed by True Science (ICT) according to the book of “Zoeistical” Euhemerism.

    God commanding Moses to kill:
    “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7, 17-18)”.
    Kill everything that “breathes” from humans and animals! Deuteronomy 20:16


  13. Zoe had to go prove my point. Snide condescending remarks aimed at putting me in my place. Oh higher being, you need to stop spouting on the internet and take time for quiet reflection. You are not helping God’s cause here at all. As a matter of fact you are adding plenty of fuel to the non-Christian fire.


  14. Miller,

    Chilling isn’t it!


  15. The devout catholic Antonin Dvorak lamented the fact that Johannes Brahms was agnostic…”such a fine man,such a fine soul….believes in nothing!He believes in nothing!” Brahms did now allow his practice of the golden rule to be clouded by the religious bigotry of the likes of the Zoes and Netanyahus of this world.Only a JA of the highest order would believe that hebrews are chosen above all other humanity and put aside for special favour…funny enough the rastafarians have the same view of themselves.


  16. The police and serious citizens have to put the fear of Almighty God in the young thugs who gather on the blocks and terrorize neighborhoods. The same youths grow, peddle and use illegal drugs night and day. The block crews also hatch criminal activities. The three teenagers in custody for shooting a policeman exemplify the terrifying development of youngsters on the block 24/7 who refuse to work but rather engage in lawlessness. Their easy access to guns leave law abiding citizens dumbfounded.

    The three scumbags in custody were in possession of two guns. Where does eighteen year olds still with their mother’s features get their hands on firearms? That’s a question normal people have asked for quite awhile. That question baffles the police which makes the situation the more alarming.

    Do these idiot gunmen listen to the news or the gossip when their fellow block boys go to jail for 20 years for shootings, murder and serious crimes. Obviously the morons couldn’t care less about their lives and that of others or they’ve taken illiteracy to another level. Thank God the majority of youth are not in the mode of their lawless counterparts who roar around on stolen, uninsured motorcycles or stroll about with their pants dropping off their exposed backsides. The Jamaican bad boys drawing on spliffs as they sing praises to Jah and the gun culture are their role models. Its a war against decent people who respect the sanctity of human life. Its a war civilised society cannot afford to lose.


  17. @ Musings 2
    Its a war against decent people who respect the sanctity of human life. Its a war civilised society cannot afford to lose.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Boss, see if you can explain that to the bleeding hearts who don’t want to inflict corporal, capital, or indeed any serious punishment on these louts …beyond reprimands from some joke-cracking judge.
    As to the ‘lesson’ to be learnt from these thugs ‘going to jail’ ….you should look into the day-to-day living conditions of many of them…you may be surprised to find that Dodds often represents an upward step in their condition.

    So in essence, society is in a fight …. NO, you said a WAR…for the very survival of its civilised sectors, but we have decided to tie one hand behind our backs and to blindfold ourselves …to show how ‘civilised’ (stupid?) we are….


  18. Zoe January 4, 2016 at 7:28 AM #
    @ Miller, Evolution, is a Philosophy, NOT a Science, it is pseudo-science.

    Miller, this post @ 7:28 AM# dealt with “The finding of pliable blood vessels, blood cells and proteins in dinosaur bone is consistent with an age of thousands of years for the fossils, not the 65+ million years claimed by the paleontologists.”

    Once again, Miller, you CANNOT answer to the TRUE science of these FACTS, which clearly reveal that Dinosaurs lived THOUSANDS of years ago, consistent with Creation, and NOT 65+ million years as claimed by bogus paleontologists!

    Zoe January 4, 2016 at 7:52 AM #
    Dinosaurs – a Powerful Testimony for Creation.

    Sensational dinosaur blood report!

    “It is of course much less of a surprise to those who believe Genesis, in which case dinosaur remains are at most only a few thousand years old.”

    What are you, Miller, going to do with these TRUE science FACTS? Keep dogging the TRUTH!

    Zoe January 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM #
    What growth rate is needed to get six billion people since the Flood?

    “It is relatively easy to calculate the growth rate needed to get today’s population from Noah’s three sons and their wives, after the Flood. With the Flood at about 4,500 years ago, it needs less than 0.5% per year growth.6 That’s not very much.”

    Miller, REFUTE this? Go ahead, I CHALLENGE YOU to REFUTE the calculations which bring us down to get today’s population from Noah’s three sons and their wives, AFTER the Flood! Entirely consistent with God’s Word, the Bible!

    Zoe January 4, 2016 at 9:25 AM #
    Mitochondrial Eve and biblical Eve are looking good: criticism of young age is premature
    by Carl Wieland

    “Creationists have enthusiastically welcomed the ‘mitochondrial Eve’ hypothesis (i.e. that all modern humans can be traced back to one woman) because it clearly supports biblical history and contradicts evolutionary scenarios.”

    So, Miller, because you honestly CANNOT deal with above posts, which rest ON True science methodologies, substantiating the Bible, you then in YOUR typical red-herring distractives, now come AGAIN, with the SAME foolishness, referring to Numbers 31: 7, 17-18, and Deuteronomy 20:16, ALL of which I have ALREADY answered in its proper Old Testament context of the ancient PAGAN nations, with whom God HAD to deal with accordingly, in His Righteousness and Holiness, NOT vindictiveness, which you will NEVER understand!

    Come on Miller, get real, be intellectually HONEST, if that’s possible at ALL; and deal with the EVIDENCE of TRUE science, OR, REFUTE, which you CANNOT!


  19. Oh superior being known as Zoe,

    My simplicity in this forum is a choice. It does in no way reflect my ability to participate in intellectual discussions, theological or otherwise. You have NO IDEA what my capacity for understanding is. I choose not to argue because I see it as pointless and even counterproductive.

    Do not overestimate your superiority, proud fellow! Pride often comes before a fall. You are an insufferable prig to say the least.

  20. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    I doubt if any one of them has ever been flogged, Bush Tea. Seem like the types whose parents would have tried resasoning only. What do you think?


  21. @ Dompey

    “Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors.”

    District A station relived, Dompey…. it’s not too late to receive help for your molestation.


  22. @ Jeff
    …if you want t speculate….
    These look like the type where capital punishment may be more appropriate. Perhaps the parents could have been saved with corporal…
    Rest assured that it will take open urban warfare to control their children…


  23. Ever since Darwin’s so-called revolutionary 1859 book, ‘On the Origin of Species’ was published, the ‘theory’ of evolution as propounded by Darwin and elaborated into accepted ‘fact’ by biologists, has been taught as fact, grossly misleading MILLIONS of students into this ‘LIE’, the greatest academic intellectual DISHONESTY EVER taught, in the name of ‘science’.

    ‘On the Origin of Species’ is under increasing attack, and not just from Creationists, so heated is the debate that one Darwinian says there are times when he thinks about going into a field with more intellectual honesty; the used car business.

    The reason being, that the Fossil record does NOT provide the evidence of gradual change demanded by Darwin, and they have sought to devise new pseudo-science ideas about the mechanism of evolution.

    The salient point is, that no matter how many fancy, pseudo-science jargon is brought by the Evolutionary camp, there ARE some very simple science FACTS, that point to, in fact, are directly confirmative of Creation, as specifically outlined in the Genesis account narrative, of the Bible, that is, that:

    “So God CREATED great sea creatures and EVERY living thing that MOVES, with which the waters abounded, according to their KIND, and every winged bird, according to its KIND…” (Genesis 1:21ff) Emphasis added.

    God’s creation which IS* emphatically supported thousands of years AFTER the FACT, by literally millions of fossil discoveries, ALL of which each and every time they are found, no matter where on earth, or in the sea, each and every time, regardless of the species, they are ALL fully formed, as they were CREATED in the first place by Almighty God.

    No matter how many of these false science ‘theories’ they come up with, the plain, simple FACTS, of MILLIONS of Fossils, repeatedly speak, in their eloquent SILENCE, loudly, that WE were ALL created by Almighty God, that is WHY, we ALL appear FULLY FORMED, NO ‘transitional’ fossils will ever be found, we did NOT evolve, we were created.

    Now, I am just a simple guy, who loves TRUTH, not LIES; and the TRUTH here presented from the science FACTS of the Fossil record, is SUPERIOR to the utter falsity of evolution.

    Therefore, it is the SUPERIOR science FACTS, that are SUPERIOR, not me, for I am NOT superior to anyone. But the FACTS are!!!


  24. Zoe,

    Just for the record I do not believe the evolution theory but the creation story in the Bible is not to be taken literally. I believe that God created us but as to how and when he did it that account just doesn’t cut it.

    Also, you presumed that your level of understanding was superior to mine. So you consider yourself superior. It follows.


  25. It does not surprise me, that when one studied at that apostate institution, Codrington College, it then follows, that they will NOT interpret the Bible literally; anything goes!

    Can / Should we interpret the Bible as literal?

    Question: “Can / Should we interpret the Bible as literal?”

    Answer: Not only can we take the Bible literally, but we must take the Bible literally. This is the only way to determine what God really is trying to communicate to us. When we read any piece of literature, but especially the Bible, we must determine what the author intended to communicate. Many today will read a verse or passage of Scripture and then give their own definitions to the words, phrases, or paragraphs, ignoring the context and author’s intent. But this is not what God intended, which is why God tells us to correctly handle the Word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

    One reason we should take the Bible literally is because the Lord Jesus Christ took it literally. Whenever the Lord Jesus quoted from the Old Testament, it was always clear that He believed in its literal interpretation. As an example, when Jesus was tempted by Satan in Luke 4, He answered by quoting the Old Testament. If God’s commands in Deuteronomy 8:3, 6:13, and 6:16 were not literal, Jesus would not have used them and they would have been powerless to stop Satan’s mouth, which they certainly did.

    The disciples also took the commands of Christ (which are part of the Bible) literally. Jesus commanded the disciples to go and make more disciples in Matthew 28:19-20. In Acts 2 and following, we find that the disciples took Jesus’ command literally and went throughout the known world of that time preaching the gospel of Christ and telling them to “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). Just as the disciples took Jesus’ words literally, so must we. How else can we be sure of our salvation if we do not believe Him when He says He came to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10), pay the penalty for our sin (Matthew 26:28), and provide eternal life (John 6:54)?

    Although we take the Bible literally, there are still figures of speech within its pages. An example of a figure of speech would be that if someone said “it is raining cats and dogs outside,” you would know that they did not really mean that cats and dogs were falling from the sky. They would mean it is raining really hard. There are figures of speech in the Bible which are not to be taken literally, but those are obvious. (See Psalm 17:8 for example.)

    Finally, when we make ourselves the final arbiters of which parts of the Bible are to be interpreted literally, we elevate ourselves above God. Who is to say, then, that one person’s interpretation of a biblical event or truth is any more or less valid than another’s? The confusion and distortions that would inevitably result from such a system would essentially render the Scriptures null and void. The Bible is God’s Word to us and He meant it to be believed—literally and completely. www,gotquestions.org


  26. @Zoe January 5, 2016 at 5:08 PM #

    Chuckle……..Wuhloss……Zoey ole pal you take the fruit cake.


  27. Vincent Haynes January 5, 2016 at 5:22 PM #
    @Zoe January 5, 2016 at 5:08 PM #

    Chuckle……..Wuhloss……Zoey ole pal you take the fruit cake.

    YOU REALLY CANT REFUTE WHAT IS SAID ABOVE
    WHY IS IT THAT WE TAKE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE NATION OR BU LITERALLY–THE WORD OF MAN………BUT YET WE FIND IT SO DIFFICULT TO TAKE THE WORD OF GOD LITERALLY

    I REPEAT the jokers here need to hear and heed Coopers’s law

    David Cooper writes, “When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.”


  28. @Georgie Porgie January 5, 2016 at 6:11 PM #

    Once we accept the fact that “the word of God” does not EXIST,we can start to have a discussion on the existence of humanoids et al.


  29. ZOE&GP……is this what Miller is talking about?

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1031820210173187&set=p.1031820210173187&type=3


  30. I guess that’s the limit of HIS understanding. Go ahead and repeat everything like a parrot. I’ll continue to be a swine. Though they don’t speak I believe the brain of a pig has been rated even higher than a dog and may I add – a parrot.


  31. That wonderful, violent Old Testament! Gotta love it and take it literally. LOL. Thank God for Codrington College or I would have rejected it totally. But thankfully they put it in perspective.


  32. Vincent
    Are you aware of the practices of the Assyrians? They are well documented in history texts.


  33. But Vincent, did you not say that the Word of God, i.e the Bible does not exist?
    Where shall I find Hosea 13:16?


  34. Zoe January 5, 2016 at 5:08 PM #

    “Many today will read a verse or passage of Scripture and then give their own definitions to the words, phrases, or paragraphs, ignoring the context and author’s intent.”

    But, Zoe, did those individuals from whose articles you quoted not “read a verse or passage of Scripture in the Quran and then give their own definitions to the words, phrases, or paragraphs, ignoring the context and author’s intent?”


  35. Isn’t the God of the Old Testament Harsh, Brutal, and Downright Evil?

    by Bodie Hodge on March 27, 2015

    There is a common claim that the God of the Old Testament (even in the New Testament) seems very harsh, brutal, and even evil. How could God kill all the innocent people, even children, in the Flood?

    Why would God send Joshua and the Israelites into Canaan to exterminate the innocent Canaanites living in the land?

    Do you really believe a loving God would send people to an eternal hell?
    This view of God is commonly referred to in the secular media, atheistic books, and so on. There is a common claim that the God of the Old Testament (even in the New Testament) seems very harsh, brutal, and even evil.1

    An initial response to this claim can simply be, “How can the atheist or non-Christian say God is harsh, brutal, and evil when they deny the Bible, the very book that defines harsh, brutal, and evil?”

    Even further, in atheistic, materialistic, and evolutionary worldviews, such things are neither right nor wrong because there is no God in their view to establish what is right or wrong. The same people who profess to believe in a naturalistic view where animals rape, murder, and eat their own kind are those who attack the loving God of the Bible and try to call Him evil (Isaiah 5:20).

    But a closer look at such claims against the God of the Bible shows that these claims have no merit. Claiming that God is evil or harsh is an attack on God’s character, and every Christian should be prepared to have an answer for such attacks (1 Peter 3:15).

    THE INTENT OF MANY OF THOSE WHO MAKE SUCH CLAIMS IS TO MAKE A GOOD GOD LOOK EVIL IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THEIR REJECTION OF HIM, HIS WORD, OR EVEN HIS EXISTENCE.

    The intent of many of those who make such claims is to make a good God look evil in order to justify their rejection of Him, His Word, or even His existence. But if God really doesn’t exist and the Bible isn’t His Word, then those who attack God and His Word by calling Him harsh and evil shouldn’t even care to attack Him. By attacking Him, they show that they know He exists and are simply suppressing that knowledge (see Romans 1:20–25). They are trying to justify their rebellion against God. Few that I have spoken with realize that when they attack God’s character in an effort to make a case against His existence they are refuting their own position.

    Some of the events in the Bible that people commonly use to justify the claim that God is harsh include events in Genesis such as the Fall of man, the Flood, and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. And then they proceed to the Canaanites, Egyptians, Benjamites, or even non-Christians in general. http://www.answersingenesis.org


  36. The Grace of GOD in the Old Testament

    By Fred R. Coulter

    God has revealed His love and grace to mankind from the beginning. Contrary to both orthodox and modern views of theology, God is manifested throughout the Old Testament as a God of LOVE AND MERCY!

    Let’s understand the most basic characteristic of the nature of God.

    First of all, GOD IS LOVE. Everything God does flows from His love. When God grants His GRACE, it likewise is rooted in and flows from His love. Whenever He extends mercy and forgiveness, favor and blessing, kindness and forbearance, it is by HIS GRACE!

    In the Old Testament there is one basic Hebrew word which has been translated “grace.” That word is chen, which is pronounced khane.

    This word is derived from the root word chanan (pronounced khawnan), which means “grace, favor, goodwill, kindness, gracious and pleasant.” The adjectival form of c/zen is channuwn (pronounced khannoon), which means “gracious.” The Hebrew root word chanan means “gracious, to favor, to be favorably inclined, to pity, to be compassionate, to make acceptable.”

    It can also mean “to bend or stoop in kindness to an inferior, to be moved to favor by a petition or request, to show favor, to grant or give favor or to graciously show mercy and pity” (Gesenius’ Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon)

    Let us examine the description of the Creation in the first chapter of Genesis to understand how God’s grace was revealed from the beginning.

    God’s Grace Revealed From Creation

    After God had created the heavens and the earth, He “saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD” (Gen. 1:31).

    The word good is translated from the Hebrew tolby, which means “beautiful, bountiful, cheerful, fine, good, GRACIOUS”; its secondary meaning is “joyful, loving, mercy, pleasant, pleasure, prosperity, wealth, well or well-favored” (Gesenius’ Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon).

    When God looked upon everything He had made, He saw that everything was very good. It was a BLESSING! As viewed through God’s eyes, His very Creation was a manifestation of HIS LOVE and HIS GRACE. http://www.cbcg.org


  37. @Georgie Porgie January 5, 2016 at 7:30 PM #

    Chuckle…..I asked a question,I have not the fogiest idea as to what that is all about.

    Shall we be like the gaderine swine?


  38. Whenever God’s Righteous Justice of judgement came upon anyone, or people (Civilizations) it was always because of REBELLION, IDOLATRY, rampant SIN, that they would NOT repent of, and stop.

    In God’s Omniscience, He KNOWS all things, He know who will heed His warnings of coming judgment, IF* they do NOT stop living in gross SIN.

    History is replete with all ancient civilization, who were in crass IDOLATRY, and they ALL came to utter ruination, BAR NONE!

    God LOVES all mankind, BUT, He is Holy, Righteous, and Just. He cannot allow people, individuals, or nations to go unpunished, it just can’t happen.

    But, the CHOICE is ours, as free will moral agents, we have been given the the ability to CHOOSE His Mercy, Love and Grace, OR, if rejected, we will feel His Righteous wrath and judgement.

    Its EITHER/OR, but NOT both/and!


  39. Polly wants a cracker!


  40. Heard it all before but if God wanted to rid the world of these people did he have to be so gory with it? What an example for us to follow!


  41. He said the Word of God doesn’t exist. He never said the Bible doesn’t exist. That just means he doesn’t consider the Bible to be the Word of God. A Barbados Scholar?


  42. Now, if my son turned out to be a psychopathic killer despite all my efforts to raise him right I might wish him to die rather than prey on innocent people but the manner of death would be painless not brutal because no matter what I would still love him. A God who Is love would never be so brutal when He can speak people out of existence the same way He spoke them into existence.


  43. @Zoe January 5, 2016 at 9:00 PM #

    Skippah…..yuh got muh real cawfuffled…..who has the ear of this omniscient god,yuh mean any o’ we cyan holler dat we hear god…..um does wuk so?


  44. Artaxerxes January 4, 2016 at 12:16 PM #
    @ Zoe

    “Why can’t YOU, as a person who PROFESSES to be an AUTHORITY on the Bible and its history, present YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVES or INTERPRETATIONS of the Bible, rather than “copy and paste” the articles, interpretations and opinions of other writers?”

    Artax, when I ‘copy and paste’ I do so because I concur with the articles, interpretations and opinions of other writers, on the subject matter I have studied formally for decades; so I don’t have to take the time to type it out, as I AGREE with what these writers are saying!


  45. For the record, there are TWO creation accounts in this literal Bible. Which one are we to LITERALLY believe? When was man created, before or after the animals?

    There are also two accounts of the Flood. Which one are we to LITERALLY believe? How many of each animal was allowed into the ark? Two of each or seven of each?

    I guess the Holy Spirit who held the hands of the writers or took over their minds COULDN’T REMEMBER HIS FIRST STORY WHEN HE WROTE THE SECOND.

    I could go on to the New Testament. But why bother? Some people can’t deal with the facts and still believe in God. It must be all given to them in a recitation. These people recite and expect intelligent and enquiring minds to join the performance. The truth has set me free from ALL RECITATIONS.

    Come let us REASON together! Recitations, no matter how long and how complex in sentence structure and how many big words are used are still recitations. Thy are fit only for Sunday School children of the youngest kind. All the teenagers in my class who have actually READ the Bible are RELIEVED when I free them of the burden of the literal interpretation. And get this – they feel MORE able to believe in God even though they know that no-one has all the answers. We are on a journey of enlightenment which never ends. I haven’t lost ONE to the atheists.

    PS. With respect to the science of the Bible. The Lord apparently created two lights, The greater one to rule the day and the lesser one the night. But we now know that the moon does not actually emit light. I guess the HOLY SPIRIT COULDN’T REMEMBER THE SCIENCE HE CREATED. And there’s plenty more where that came from.

    Get real! The literal interpretation of the WHOLE Bible makes one look really stupid.


  46. Two Creation Accounts?

    In chapter 1, man and woman are created at the same time after the creation of the animals. In chapter 2, are animals created after people?

    The claim goes that there are two creation accounts: Genesis 1 and 2 give different accounts. In chapter 1, man and woman are created at the same time after the creation of the animals. In chapter 2, the animals are created after people.

    This apparent contradiction is best illustrated by looking at Genesis 2:19.

    Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them (NKJV).

    The language appears to suggest that God made the animals after making Adam and then He brought the animals to Adam. However, in Genesis 1, we have an account of God creating animals and then creating men and women.

    The difficulty with Genesis 2:19 lies with the use of the word formed. The same style is read in the KJV.

    And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.
    The NIV has a subtly different rendition.

    Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them.

    The NIV suggests a different way of viewing the first two chapters of Genesis. Genesis 2 does not suggest a chronology. That is why the NIV suggests using the style “the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the fields.” Therefore, the animals being brought to Adam had already been made and were not being brought to him immediately after their creation.

    Interestingly, Tyndale agrees with the NIV—and Tyndale’s translation predates the KJV.

    The Lord God had made of the earth all manner of beasts of the field and all manner fowls of the air.

    Tyndale and the NIV are correct on this verse because the verb in the sentence can be translated as pluperfect rather than perfect. The pluperfect tense can be considered as the past of the past—that is to say, in a narration set in the past, the event to which the narration refers is already further in the past. Once the pluperfect is taken into account, the perceived contradiction completely disappears. http://www.answersingenesis.org


  47. Don’t get tied up in your verbal gymnastic knots but what about Noah?


  48. Question:

    How many people were miraculously fed by Jesus with loaves and fishes in the New Testament accounts.


  49. Too much religion, too little God!

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