In this provocative talk, Afra Raymond takes a deeper look at race and racism. He successfully uses the talk to place a new perspective on how we think about race […]
and its role in corruption.
Sobering commentary on the sad reality of how things happen or don’t happen in our society. The comparison with India and Nigeria make it all the more haunting. We have failed and we have to do better – Chip Sa Gomes
Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.
Word
I dont know much about Scalia’s history but another interpretation of what I believe he said (I have not read it closely)is that some black students dont have the Foundation to easily compete in tougher schools. Did he say ALL black students? Has he said negative/ racial things before? I can assure him that there were many black fellas at HC in my day who were very sharp, to say nothing about Cammie Tudor, The skippa et al.
@de Ingrunt Word December 10, 2015 at 7:57 PM #
Chuckle……sigh…..One can but try…….what else can we do…..wuhloss,ah gine sleep.
@MoneyBrain December 10, 2015 at 8:24 PM #
Exclaimer is correct we are one race and the quicker we understand that pigmentation which is a modern construct 700 odd years is a red herring in our DNA of prejudice the better it is for our understanding of human nature.
Vincent
Where did I disagree with his comment on the human race?
@ MoneyBrain at 8:43 PM re ” I dont know much about Scalia’s history but another interpretation of what I believe he said (I have not read it closely)is that some black students dont have the Foundation to easily compete in tougher schools.”
That sir, is absolutely the crux of what he is saying and in the context of the case before him on ‘Affirmative Action’ his remarks are patently racist and disgusting.
This is a very educated man with a high IQ and the fundamental question of opportunity to get into previously hallowed halls open only to white is what is being litigated. It is all about blacks from poorer areas and as you said with less foundation you CAN excel if given the opportunity.
There will always be kids who excel at their high school and when thrown into the cauldron on college with other high achievers they may be found wanting. He is delineating that reality bluntly along racial lines despite exactly the type of real evidence you cited from personal experience and what is shown in literature.
What is there to know about Justice Scalia beyond the obvious by his remarks.
He is a deeply dyed red conservative who famously has railed against the Voting Rights Act which guaranteed the right to vote and outlawed discrimination based on factors like intelligence, race etc. coming out of the civil rights ’60s era. Because the US constitution had originally given the power to the states to determine their own conditions for voter registration of their state citizens, the learned judge has said that the Votings Rights Act is a ‘racial entitlement’ contra the constitution and should be abolished.
So maybe you are right, he is just following his conscience and protecting the badly prepared Black youth from the heavy rigors of college; because naturally they would not be determined and focused to succeed..and being Black how could they ever strive to reach such high white standards! Blacks should attend colleges that suit their pace…so sayeth Judge Scalia!
Word
He should be saying this in the context of all ill prepared students, not blacks only.
COW can do and say as he like.
@ David, fast forward to 5:15 into the video.
Compare Justin with the JA Trump.
https://www.facebook.com/JustinPJTrudeau/videos/10153896696075649/
Scalia’s comments were based on this bit of research
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/sander/Systemic/final/SanderFINAL.pdf
Curiously he paid no attention to this submission that dismisses that argument
http://www.utexas.edu/vp/irla/Documents/ACR%20Empirical%20Scholars.pdf
How can Uncle Clarence sleep at night?
Race….. the burr under America’s saddle, see the rise of The Donald whom disaffected white people see as “The Great White Hope” or as Muhammad Ali would say “The Great White Dope”.
Funny how Affirmative Action is always before the Court but no one bats an eye at the Legacy Admissions ( I’m looking at you GWB) which account for at least 10% of incoming students to Ivy League schools.
Those Legacy preference babies are the unseen source of disappointment to many a potential freshman who really believe that their rejection letter was because they didn’t measure up. However those legacy babies are usually the issue of some deep pocket alumni with access to endowment funds that can be counted to pony up to any of the myriad University programs. Legacy preferences have been going on so long that it is now codified into practice if not law so why mount a challenge?
As usual in America follow the money
The shite always comes out in the wash.
@David
Very unfortunate comments. Sir Loin getting old, the memory recall isn’t fluid. He is a voracious worker, and he is isn’t afraid to take a risk or risk his money; but he never went to management school.
He needs to hand over such negotiations to somebody else and keep well clear.
@MoneyBrain at 10:03…You said: “He should be saying this in the context of all ill prepared students, not blacks only.” And that’s why he can be defined as a frigging racist JA. On the Supreme Court no less. There has, and will also be, dissonance between the judiciary and the executive and legislature. That is to be encouraged for separation of powers to work perfectly in any democracy but his level of dissonance is disgustingly un-democratic.
@David, you mentioned: “Unfortunate comments by COW?” Which comments were you referring to?
The thing about COW – love him or hate him, and race issues aside he is obviously a very interesting guy- is that were he a citizen of the US he would own loads of land there. But then again he owns property all over the world though.
The man sounds totally Bajan, acts totally Bajan, loves his fillies like the average Bajan man and plays the horses too. The man is a Bajan. Celebrate him…white or black!
Now if he had made that air-head remark the Judge did that would be grounds for the worst vitriol.
@de Ingrunt Word December 11, 2015 at 8:03 AM #
My problem with his statement is that it can be seen as correct by the younger melanin poor lot to refer to individuals from a lower socio-economic level as slaves and lacking clothes,which will in turn allow them to believe that they are superior not only to the lower echelons of society but to everyone of that hue.
Do they not already think this?
De Word….please explain to me at what time during the 400 years that blacks were enslaved did they have the time, knowledge or inclination to practice slavery and exactly who did they practice racism against, bear in mind it took many centuries for the enslaved to be allowed english education or the ability to speak standard english…..you are still unable to dissect the issue to it’s most base level.
Re Scalia….first of all he is a jackass. Some little white girl unable to cut it enough to gain an ivy league scholarship or admittance to the university of her choice decided to challenge affirmative action that allows students with IQs in the stratosphere who are allowed, once one parent is minority black, hispanic etc, who go through rigorous testing from as young as 12 years old, eg the Oliver Program at Columbia University, programs at Stanford University, et al and they advance to the university of their choice…..when these students excel they have earned it, no maybes, if and or buts and their intelligence levels are higher than any supreme court judge.
In saying that in my experience, whites who consider themselves superior and US born blacks who are just as dumb, spend all day in the corporate environment asking others blessed with more intellect, how to spell basic words…..they are useless.
Re Cow Williams……..what he is forced to say now, is what him bizzy, mark maloney, bjerkham, philip tempro and a host of jackasses on the island think and say out loud on a daily basis in their offices in front of black people and don’t care what effects their nasty word have, at dinner with their like-minded, lowlife friends, until some got embarrassed listening to the bullshit.
These parasites have no respect for black people and are not afraid to voice it, in their ignorance and bigotry, it never occurs to them that if blacks on the island were not so complacent and docile and the politicians so corrupt and quick to enable this behavior, none of them would be wealthy, they could never make it on their own without those dynamics. All cow is talking, there is no way all of the workers who he sees as slaves could have been lazy or else his businesses would never be that successful, those workers, most of them, had to have done all the right things.
What Bajans ought to do is boycott their businesses and stop spending their money with them, teach them a lesson, then they will know who they have to thank for their wealth. More things have to come out, too many old black people lost their properties and had their land stolen. They would go broke in their lifetime and have to sell of all that stolen property. I did not have to listen to cow’s rambling drivel to know how all of them think and feel I been hearing about it for years about these nasty, ungrateful, wealthy in paper but nothing else, poor ass local whites.
CORRECTION:
De Word….please explain to me at what time during the 400 years that blacks were enslaved did they have the time, knowledge or inclination to practice racism and exactly who did they practice racism against, bear in mind it took many centuries for the enslaved to be allowed english education or the ability to speak standard english…..you are still unable to dissect the issue to it’s most base level.
I will go further to suggest that there are those with more melanin subscribing to the same mentality.
@Well Well & Consequences December 11, 2015 at 8:52 AM #
Chuckle……we are one race,we all have prejudices,tribes in Africa have been killing albinos for eons.
@Box Cart December 11, 2015 at 8:55 AM #
You are so correct on that one.
@Vincent @ 8:27 absolutely correct. I shudder, quite frankly, when I coalesce what is happening in southern states/counties with the complete assault on the voting rights acts to disenfranchise Blacks; what has been happening on the ground re the still pervasive white militia; the white supremacists type actions that have continued to raise its head in police depts and then the most mainstream ‘in your face’ actions of people like Trump (Mexicans are evil people, Muslims are to be feared) and now this comment from a ‘respected’ jurist.
Many got lulled in that folly that the election of a Black President was an indication of changing racial perspectives…that was beyond absurd.
The fact is that for many of those ‘melanin poor’ the exact OPPOSITE is true. they despise Black folks more and really perceive that we are taking (finally) what is rightly theirs. Dem has always been ‘a fighting words’.
We refuse to see the signs or get ‘lulled’ again into reverie due to the Muslim terror rhetoric at our own peril. Those voting rights issues are very REAL and Black Americans are fighting back strenuously.
Your remark, “…younger melanin poor….in turn allow them to believe that they are superior … to everyone of that hue” is absolutely frightening because it does presage a troubling future. I would add however “older, educated… ‘melanin poor’” to your group.
@de Ingrunt Word December 11, 2015 at 9:01 AM #
Yup……Houston we have a problem…..one which I had thought had been sorted(not solved) in the 60’s&70’s……well it looks like the world as we know it is due for one major shake up ably assisted by mother earh with her flushes……hopefully I will not be around to see it.
Putin with his nuclear bomb talk,Trump with his bellicose rants…………back to the primeordial ooze……ah well.
De Word & Vincent….please explain to me at what time during the 400 years that blacks were enslaved in the West did they have the time, knowledge or inclination to practice racism and exactly who did they practice racism against………
Vincent, clean your glasses and read again.
@ Well Well & Consequences at 8:52 AM re “CORRECTION:De Word….please explain to me at what time during the 400 years that blacks were enslaved did they have the time…”
I don’t have the time today to do this dance with you today so over the weekend maybe. But accept @Vincent at at 9:01 AM.
But just to go a bit beyond that. Your position as I have said before is intellectually lacking because you are selectively identifying your historical sign-posts. There is no dispute with you on the ravages of slavery but the African race DID NOT START there.
To suggest that we are not dissecting the matter to its base level while completely disregarding the centuries of African development, civilization AND its concomitant depravity is astounding.
I understand your point but for it to be REAL these two things must also be real.
One) Blacks were not a viable, vibrant race before the advent of the Trans Atlantic Slave trade and thus their subjugation was deep and complete.
Two) Blacks were so decimated and made submissive by Whites that they disavowed all their personality and moral base levels and adopted this alien construct from the Whites called prejudice/racism. Thus we are weak and like any ‘conquered’ force cannot now overcome the superior group.
Is this what you are trying to tell us …intellectually? Let’s get to base level as you said!!!! Until weekend.
@Well Well & Consequences December 11, 2015 at 9:12 AM #
I concur with DIW and will try to dance again if you can answer those two questions.
I am able to answer 2 questions with one statement. The article specifically states and I quote “IS IT ONLY WHITE PEOPLE THAT CAN BE RACIST” as Afras various experiences are CARIBBEAN IN NATURE, you inadvertently answered my question by saying that blacks and you could only mean the West, were too subjugated to do anything but be slaves, they therefore did not have the knowledge or inclination to practice racism because in that era, they were the victims of racim in the most brutal and gruesome manner imaginable in that era.
I now say to both you and Vincent again De Word, the racism I speak about in this era would be in the last 50 years, post-slavery and post-political autonomy, forget any thing from before for one second, I will deal with that in a separate sentence. Since blacks believed themselves after autonomy to be craftsmen of their fate, why is all this racism allowed to be practiced in the Caribbean, what is driving the racism and who are the main practitioners, who are the victims, since neither of you believe that Caribbean blacks are capable of practicing racism against each other.
We have dealt ad nauseam on this blog about the great empires built by Blacks throughout Africa, pre British savagery and greed, so it makes no sense rehashing, it does not apply to this article.
How easy it is for anyone to show racism and engage in a hate crime.
De Word….you can’t dance……lol
de Ingrunt Word wrote ” The man sounds totally Bajan, acts totally Bajan, loves his fillies like the average Bajan man and plays the horses too. The man is a Bajan. Celebrate him…white or black!”
@ de Ingrunt Word, Celebrate a Holstein COW. It black and white and can me milked.
@Well Well & Consequences December 11, 2015 at 11:14 AM #
I will leave you in the far more capable arms of DIW the renowned dance master and will tune in on the weekend to see the moves.
Lol…..don’t look like De Igrunt Word can even recognize racim when it’s being spat directly in his face. He has been totally dumbed down Hants. Willng to allow anything as long as it has a bajan accent and a lot of paper…..how sad and self-explanatory.
Word….I let you off the hook, I only now understand why you can’t dance, unless you manage to grow a pair over the weekend…lol
Well Well good thing most of your fellas do have the moves or fat white chicks would never get to dance
Yes, Lawson….lol
@Dee Word
Did you listen to the audio?
@ David,
While COW may have hired the workers when they were down and out and he helped them to improve their lot in life, he has continuously PROFITED from the work of these “improved” workers.
He created Apes Hill to make profits not elevate black people from poverty.
Exactly Hants…dude is a hypocrite. No business person opens a million dollar anything unless their profits are in the multi-millions, salaries and overheads add up to a mere precentage of what their bottomline looks like. That racist pig been using racism as a weapon for decades on the island against the same people who made his businesses productive and most blacks on the island don’t even recognizd the racism, as we can clearly see with De Word, people can still be dense when it concerns those with lots of money, even if they themselves or their families are the ones victimized during the course of obtaining that wealth that wealth.
People have been wondering for years why that cycle practiced by cow, et al cannot be broken, now we see why, the racism is enable in practice by DBLP governments and many other blacks, to many enablers. They are laxy to break the cycle and the clown of a cow believes he can continue the practice into infinity. Hopefully, cow has himself opened their eyes, but don’t hold your breath, what De Word posted, is frightening and goes not augur well for the future of young blacks on the island as long as the remaining casts of known racists continue to control all the businesses in Barbados, aided and abetted by black politicians.
I want to be sure what you are saying……even though he pays them gives them a chance to move up maybe even stock options…….he should not make a profit???? what if he paid people and lost money would that be okay….. I would like to see the break down of all these millions you are saying he is making it may be a much longer pay back than you think slow and steady is the way wealth is usually created. As a business owner I am sure he feels betrayed when his employees support their own rather than see that certain employees aren’t pulling there weight I would. But if you all feel this is a Donald Stirling episode , get everyone to go to the govt offices and parliament shut it down till you get what you want and it never hurts to riot and break into a few businesses even burn some down on the way there.
@Well Well & Consequences December 11, 2015 at 4:03 PM #
Please note DIW asked you two questions he never stated that they were facts.
Lawson….the money in profit he is making is not the issue, that is his money, he made the investment and if he did not, someone else would, people are always looking for investments. The point is, this dude is a known racist, knows there are no laws in Barbados to arrest his racist ass because he can bribe the black politicians, does not want his employees to exercise their rights for a pay raise, need the same people whom he practices racism againt to help his business progress because he cannot import 400 workers or do the job himself, those people who consider themselves ‘white’ like cow would consider those jobs beneath them, why don’t he hire them instead of talking rubbish about closing when he knows he can’t. Then he has the nerve to claim that they came to him from slavery, where was anyone in Barbados enslaved 6 years ago.
This is the same liar went up to England and boasted he was the richest man in Barbados, then claimed he had no money to keep workers, trying to extort contracts from the corrupt politicians. That piece of shit just wants to continue pretending that blacks can’t live without him. If the useless politicians would make the racism he practices illegal and lock his ass up, that ought to shut him up, but he is holding so many secrets about their corruption that they won’t dare.
Many of us, including Sir COW, like to separate employees from the owners of the capital. This is the mindset prevalent.
On 11 December 2015 at 21:09, Barbados Underground wrote:
>
Vincent. ..De Igrunt Word is a ball-ess wonder, on here calling up fancified 50 dollar words and don’t understand the concept of racism not even if it slapped him upside the head…lol he’s a waste of energy and best left alone to enjoy his Stockholm Syndrome.
Will Barbados Today apologize?
Adonijah I spent yesterday a bit disappointed in him. I still have my reservations due to the tone he had but the misquote of one word seems to have altered everything. Listen to the link. He never said slavery nor anything such. The word used was labourers. Unfortunate but the "paper" has to be held accountable.
Sir Charles “COW” Williams has fired back at the Barbados Work…
07:43
15,792 Views
Barbados Today at Apes Hill Club.
Yesterday at 9:16pm · Bridgetown ·
An angry, emotional and upset Sir Charles “COW” Williams has fired back at the #Barbados Workers Union (BWU), threatening to shut down his Apes Hill golf cou…
Adonijah Alleyne Yes, he did say labourers, not slavery. From the time I read I knew it had to be wrong. Didn’t make sense. Doesn’t change the tone and implications of what he said, though.
Roger SunRa Rudder The word labourer as is commonly used in Barbados sounds dated and perhaps a gentler word should be used, an example: Associate.
Like · Reply · 42 mins · Edited
Damien Daniel It is a post. Job description. Word used in the business. Not that big a deal. We spend so much time fighting unnecessary battles that the real ones are always lost. Just my take on the word.
Roger SunRa Rudder The last time I heard the word hear was at a post recently. The man who was the man came in and asked me with an emphasis: did you see the laborer? At times a word is the manifestation of deeper problem. Another example is the guy who used the -n-word in this article: Lamumba Batson. It sounds like he is participatory in the very racism he is critical of.
The real question is will cow apologize to the people in Barbados for his racist ways. It does not look as though barbadostoday seeked him out, he went to them to rant about black people and all he did for them, how lazy they are and a whole lotta rambling nonsense, those rants have made the rounds, it was choking him, who the hell sent him to the media just work out the issues with the union.
Again, why don’t he hire 400 bajan whites to work at Apes Hill, they are bajans, after all.
@Well Well & Consequences December 11, 2015 at 5:55 PM #
Cannot agree with this post of yours re DIW as I found his critique of your posited views quite cogent.
What some here on BU do not fathom is that your posits are based on your agenda of hatred to the melanin poor irrespective of the fact that one size does not fit all and your firm belief that the melanin rich can do no wrong despite the evidence that shows as humanoids we have no differences we are the same.
Well Well what you are describing is puffing eg I am the best mechanic in Canada…you cant believe all you hear, but from an business strategy it makes great sense people like winners and can be easily be led if they think you are smarter or richer than them. If and I said if he mentioned that people have come to him from slavery in recent times, he must read BU because there is a bunch of people that still think even now they are slaves and cant seem to get that monkey off their backs. I told you the other day that me and two well off friends were fixing a sewer pipe, I cant believe your whites are different than me other than they are scrawny, scared of the sun and cant hold their liquor very well.
Jeez Vincent… who did i ever say I hated, I don’t carry delusions, see only reality and am not afraid to DEMAND change, many of my relatives are from the Caucasian, Black and native indian bloodlines, unlike you, I have no reason to be satisfied with the mediocre because my descendants might decide to make Barbados their home in the future and I certainly woukd not want a bunch of lowlife, unintelligent, half-assed wannabe whites practicing racism against them, enabled by weak, corrupt, ball-ess politicians. You might not mind that for your family, but I care for mine.
Lawson…I thought you told me 2 years ago you are a retired fireman. As to you looking like the bajan white males on the island, I would not broadcast that, they are not attractive…lol Don’t compare what’s been happening in Barbados for decades, since the people have no recourse, at least in Canada, once exposed, there are remedies. Re people with monkeys on their backs in Bim, it appears the employees make sure they act as slaves to keep their jobs, how are they expected to break out of that pattern. I spent some time in Bim some years ago and had to threaten someone with physical harm, because you are expected to act like a slave, it’s nastiness, most bajans like Vincent…lol……are accepting of these behaviors.
Vincent….where do you disappear to when am beating up on black people, or do you only notice when I take a turn in the backsides of the melanin poor? Not my fault that De Word did not stick around to explain his own yappings on racism and then when asked simple questions, he put his tail between his legs and ran. I am a strong personality, don’t have time to play patta cake with De Word.
I am a retired fireman .business owner property owner, I fix everything that goes wrong my propertys myself as do all my friends.That means even the plumbing
Ok…jack of all trades and master of all. Lawson, I wish you could fix the plagues and blights in Barbados, the whole thing is sickening, literally, people watching this play out are asking what century do these people think they are living in and what hope is there for young black people. They are striking out violently because they may not be able to articulare their feelings, but they are certainly not blind to the happenings. How the politicians can justify all this crap is beyond me..
Young barbadians have to leave the island it is no mystery, but it doesn’t matter who or what color you are there always seems to be someone over you. Nothing is going to change there in a hurry, young people have to decide a no stress working life or no stress retirement people seldom get both. We are bringing in 1/10 of your population in refugees before jan supposedly they already have apts , work permits,health care ,day care why not your people?
@Well Well & Consequences December 11, 2015 at 7:52 PM #
Chuckle…..many of us from my era,me included,are jack of all trades and masters of none,I still repair my own aged diesel pickup,the wife has her own with fancy mechanics.
Actually you are a racist in the true sense of the term as opposed to COW who was misquoted.
Lawson….some of the refugees landed in Canada already. Hey, someone has to take in Syrian children. It’s left to the corrupt politicians in Barbados to start caring for their people more than they care about enriching themselves and kowtowing to racists. When the young people can’t take it anymore, then the politicians will start scrambling. I just hope Vincent and De Word are within striking distance.
Vincent…..if it makes you feel better to label me racist because you don’t know how to deal with racism or take pleasure in seeing it being practiced in Barbados on bajans who have no legal recourse, fine. I have known for years cow is racist, so has the government, so has the people on the island. He deserves what he got, I would not acknowledge any alledged misquoting. How much is cow paying you to kiss his ass and where is your sidekick the ball-less De Word…lol
The blogmaster invites you to join and add value to the discussion.