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A few years ago is was all about Al Qaeda, now the world has become preoccupied with the threat from ISIS. Although some will challenge the degree to which the two terrorist organizations […]have been manufactured by the foreign policy of the West,

BU is concerned that the Caribbean may be dragged into a cesspool of geopolitics in the near future.

Immediately after the Paris terror allegedly carried out by ISIS, it was reported that three Syrians with fake passports were arrested in St. Maarten. As if this is not cause for worry for Caribbean residents – who live in one of the more peaceful geographies in the world – there is the more worrying development coming out of Trinidad. It is being reported by the venerable traditional media in Trinidad that hundreds of its citizens have joined the ISIS fight.  Is there any doubt Barbadians should be very concerned?

Several events in recent weeks point to a ramping up of global unrest in the ME. Note BU has not mentioned the Black on Black violence also ramping up in several countries in Africa which appears to be a horse of a different colour. What appears to be man’s inhumanity to man rampaging across the globe surely will touch God’s country in a direct way at some point. We have to admit the assurances from Prime Minister Stuart et al provide little comfort we in this part of the world are able to defend our borders from any terrorist threat.

The following commentary by  David Jessop addresses the issue of whether the Caribbean is immune from what the West has branded an ISIS threat.

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Commentary: The View from Europe: The Caribbean is not immune

Published on November 21, 2015
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By David Jessop
The sensitive subject of terrorism in a Caribbean context is a matter this column has addressed before with some caution. However, following recent events in Europe it is clear that it is an issue that now needs to be taken more seriously in the region as those who wish harm to the world begin to deploy their ‘foreign policy’.

http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/topstory-Commentary%3A-The-View-from-Europe%3A-The-Caribbean-is-not-immune-28407.html


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274 responses to “The Caribbean and the ISIS Threat”


  1. We should all feel very uncomfortable watching the video instead of some of the myopic bullshite some of you have posted under this topic.

    https://www.facebook.com/312273112311184/videos/480041132201047/

  2. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Simple….actually, it can and has been done before any country can remove anyone, including people born in that country, who are preceived as threats to the security of the island or country. It would have to be under extreme circumstances, but doable. Remembet Cuba and Raoul, the convicted drug dealer, he only barely made it back into Cuba.

    You may have missed my post about Austin ‘Tom’ Clarke, he was born in Barbados and removed when preceived as a threat. Nowhere is it written in stone that a country has to put up with any home grown or home born threat. The US does it all the time and that’s just for fun…lol, make them fight to get back in……so, if any of the muslim population ever feel the need to show themselves as boss, they can and should be dealt with accordingly.

  3. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    The video is indeed very disturbing, these young boys are not being given an opportunity by their parents to grow up and make their own choices/decisions, they are being brainwashed and programmed to accept a violent ideology before even old enough to understand just what they are accepting, that’s taking child abuse to a whole new level. They will live what they learn.

    I just bet the female children are being kept in some room and taught that they are just breeding machines in existence for the sole purpose of obeying and becoming obedient to the males, which is equally repulsive, having that ridiculousness pounded into your brain at so young an age.. The dude from Trinidad makes the whole thing more repugnant by stating that he had a good life in Trinidad while growing up, despite his parents forcing christian teachings on him, which I am also against, all these ideologies succeed in doing is creating monsters, proof of which is right here for everyone to see. Those Trini dudes should be barred from re-entry into the Caribbean, they have made their beds as evidenced by all the destructive diatribe.


  4. @Well Well

    The greatest point is that this is not about ISIS per se but the inability of societies (governments) to properly raise the children, give hope to its people etc


  5. Under Obama we have seen the rise of so called ISIS much more vicious than Al Quaeda. We have seen the vacuum left by puppet governments in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya etc. The fight in the ME between Israel and the PLO has not improved. Mubarak removed in Egypt and what? Now Turkey and Russia entering the fray. Then we have the refugee crisis getting worse by the day.

    to be continued.

  6. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    As we can clearly see David, governments are not interested, as they lie and as stated in everyone of their manifestos, in maintaining any ability to properly raise children, unless indoctrinating them to be political yardfowls or give hope to it’s people, for the very same reason. If you look at it from another perspective, politics is just another ideology that is equally destructive minus the use of guns and violence to implement, but just as mind draining. In this instance, ideologies are the problem plaguing the world.

    Most people would have forgotten by now, but under Bush the elder, now in a wheelchair, it was engineered by him and his ilk, continuing to play god, a new world order, these are the results of their new world order and attempts at playing god from one corner of the earth to another. Ideologies gone bad..lol


  7. There is no USA government that has been in Power in present era that the ME has not escalated in violence, The notion that things in the Middle East has got worse under Obama is a revisionist distortion of history.

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    Telling it like it is

    Simple Simon November 26, 2015 at 8:36 PM #

    “@Telling it like it is November 26, 2015 at 10:06 AM “The EU and USA support moderate terrorists like the ones who shot the defenseless parachuting pilot.”

    Dear Teling it like it is: Can you explain the term moderate terrorists?”

    There’s no such thing as moderate terrorists that’s the point. The quote you re-posted is about irony. The moderate terrorists backed by USA and EU with M16’s and TOW missiles murdered the defenseless Russian pilot in his parachute. Putin is on the right side in this chaotic war. The difference between moderate terrorists backed by EU and USA and radical terrorists backed by Turkey and Saudi is the moderates eat the livers of their victims. The radical jihadists burn their victims alive in a cage. They also behead and run them over with a tank. Its surprising Iran with its million man army hasn’t unleashed its forces in Syria to help its friend Assad. With Russians bombing from the air and the Syrians and Iranians attacking on the ground its a war that can be won. At least there would be that less terrorists, moderate and immoderate, in the world. Obama is on the wrong side in Syria.


  9. @Well Well
    You may have missed my post about Austin ‘Tom’ Clarke, he was born in Barbados and removed when preceived as a threat.

    +++++++++
    Where the hell did you get that info? Tom was a friend of EWB who brought him back to Bim to manage the CBC. Tom was forced to leave because the staff rebelled at his management methods and its easy to get rid of one person instead of a hundred to serve labour peace.

    Tom and Barrow were so close that Tom wrote a piece about Barrow preparing “privilege’, in his book “Pig Tails and Breadfruit”.

    So who was Tom a threat to?


  10. I find the expression “moderate terrorist” to be very amusing. Whilst I would prefer to encounter such a fellow as oppose to his more rabid and fanatical counterpart, I suspect that his bombs and bullets would have the same effect on his victims as those of an angry and vicious terrorist.

    🙂 I knew what you meant… but one man’s ‘moderate terrorist, is a next man’s murderer….

  11. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Sargeant..I am not the one forced him out of Barbados, nor had him removed, so I had and still have no clue why he was chased out. Glad you brought that up, because since then, I have known personally of other people who have been removed, back to other islands/countries as well have Bajans, born there who were chased out.

    As I said, it’s not written in stone anywhere that any country has to tolerate threats or what they preceive as threats to the country.

  12. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Sargeant….I also don’t have the details, maybe you do, Sidney Barnett, can’t remember the full name, maybe Alleyne, but I believe he was a controversial removal, bajan born.


  13. @Well Well & Consequences November 27, 2015 at 3:55 AM “any country can remove anyone, including people born in that country, who are preceived as threats to the security of the island or country. You may have missed my post about Austin ‘Tom’ Clarke, he was born in Barbados and removed when preceived as a threat.”

    Oh please well, well. You think I is a jackass?

    Austin Clarke is a Bajan and a Canadian.

    Barbados CANNOT forbid Clarke from living in Barbados, nor can they prevent him from entering Barbados whenever he feels like it.

    The Barbados government can of course refuse to hire him (I myself have never been hired by the Barbados government) as the government does not owe anybody work. But in any event Clarke is a writer. The beauty of being a writer is that the writer does not have to be in any physical space in order to do his work.

    So you lie when you say that the Barbados government expelled Tom. Both Barbados and Canada permits dual citizenship so when Tom became a Canadian he was not required to renounce his Bajan citizenship, unlike that backward place where you live which requires new citizens to swear unswerving loyalty to one country as though it is impossible to love ones parents [country of birth] and once’s spouse [country to which one migrated] at the same time.

    Canada only rarely removes citizenship from people granted Canadian citizenship. And then only through a long drawn out TRANSPARENT COURT PROCESS, and then only for war crimes. So the Canadians cannot expel Tom either.

    You really should not come on this blog telling lies. It destroys the little credibility that you have.

    So I restate. The Barbados government CANNOT expel Barbados born citizens.


  14. @Well Well & Consequences November 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM “Sidney Barnett, can’t remember the full name, maybe Alleyne, but I believe he was a controversial removal, bajan born.”

    Yes. Sidney Burnett-Alleyne. Went to school with some of my siblings.

    The Barbados government did not expel old Sid. Sidney may have felt that he would be better off somewhere else, so he voluntarily left Barbados.

    As did many tens of thousands of Bajans during my lifetime. They may have left because of various socia/economic hardships, but they were NOT expelled. The Barbados government has no authority and has never had any authority to expel Barbados born citizens.

    Either you lie, or you are seriously misinformed.


  15. So even while the Barbados government cannot expel its own born citizens. The Barbados government still has the authority to execute its citizens, and even to execute foreigners living here who play de ass in any serious way (murder, treason etc.)

    And even though we have not executed anyone recently we still have the authority to do so, and most Bajans are still very much pro death penalty.

    People really should not forget that.

  16. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Simple….. I did not say Tom was expelled and the US allows you to hold dual citizenship just like Canada and how do you know where I am and do you know about Sydney Burnett à born Bajan who was expelled, I believe he was allowed to live in Englànd, that was not the last case but the most controversial. There are many people who have been forced out, removed and expelled from Barbados, both through red tape and without. Do some research, or just say you are not familiar with the events. But unless you know for sure, it is a known fact that any governmènt can remove àny threat to national security, in any manner.

  17. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    I am remembering it in bits and pieces, but I do believe Sidney Burnett’s expelling had something to do with arms and threaening to overthrow the government of that day on the island, can’t even remember who it was, but he was expelled, not simply removed.


  18. @Well Well & Consequences November 27, 2015 at 11:06 AM “As I said, it’s not written in stone anywhere…I have known personally of other people who have been removed, back to other islands/countries as well have Bajans, born there who were chased out.”

    Dear Well Well:

    Again either you lie, or are seriously misinformed.

    It is not written in stone, but it is certainly written in the Barbados constitution that no government of Barbados can expel Barbados born Bajans…however our government reserves the right to hang us if we seriously misbehave…come to think of it I would rather be expelled than hanged if push comes to shove but that choice is not offered in our constitution.

    Beside if Barbados expels me because I do something very, very bad…show me the country of the world which would take me in.


  19. Tom was not expelled nor removed.

    Sid may have though it better to live in the U.K.

    To the best of my knowledge both gentlemen are welcome to come to Barbados anytime.


  20. My siblings went to school with Sid. They thought that he was a joker.

    I have no opinion on him. Never met the man.


  21. @ Well Well & consequences.

    Austin “Tom” Clarke is very successful Barbadian and Canadian citizen.

    He was fired from CBC because he tried to get the employees to do what they were paid to do. So he went back to living in luxury in Toronto.

    For years I bought his books and gave them to friends and family as Christmas presents.

    “Author Austin Clarke Wins The 2002 Giller Prize
    05 Nov 2002

    TORONTO – At a gala dinner and award ceremony that drew over 450 members of the publishing, media and arts communities, Austin Clarke was named the 2002 winner of The Giller Prize, Canada’s premier literary prize for fiction. Austin Clarke’s winning novel, The Polished Hoe, is published by Thomas Allen Publishers. The largest annual prize for fiction in the country, The Giller Prize awards $25,000 each year to the author of the best Canadian novel or short story collection published in English.


  22. @Well Well & Consequences November 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM #
    I am remembering it in bits and pieces, but I do believe Sidney Burnett’s expelling had something to do with arms and threaening to overthrow the government of that day on the island, can’t even remember who it was, but he was expelled, not simply removed.

    He was neither expelled or removed. He may have left because he though it is his best interest to live elsewhere. The Barbados governments do not compel its citizens to live in Barbados.

  23. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Simple…………As I said and maybe you did not read, but Burnett was sent to England, don’t know if he’s still alive. Miller might have the full story, but he was expelled, regardless of what you say…..can’t remember if the word used was treason, why don’t you ask some questions, because you are not saying that you know anything about the events.

    I believe forcing Tom out at that time had something to do with something he wrote, go pick some brains and get the stories. Someone like Bobby Clarke would definitely know about these incidences.


  24. Dear Well Well:

    The U.S. government cannot expel U.S. born citizens either.

    And even U.S. citizens who have been granted citizenship are hard to expel. The citizenship must first be revoked and that process is transparent and takes years, and years, and years, because there are all kinds of right to appeal.

    And the U.S. will only expel citizens who were once foreigners if they lied during the citizenship acquisition process or if they commit serious wrong…think was crimes.

    You think that Constitutions are just pieces of old wrinkly paper?

  25. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Simple……I guess you never heard about ICE, or the immigration project that has been going on for years through one large company contracted to do so. Detainees are picked up at their homes for whatever infractions, even those committed in their homelands after 1996, new laws compliments of the Clinton Administration and from city, state and federal prisons. Now here is where it gets dicey, in that batch of detainees are those who can claim American citizenship in one form or another, but, as I said and maybe you did not read, it’s fun to deport them and have them fight to get back to the US.

    One such dude sent to Barbados, his mother was born American, he was a career criminal, it took him 8 years to return to the US, so Simple, just say you are not familiar with, it’s easier.

  26. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Like eerything else in politics, you cannot take any Constitution at it’s word, after all, it’s man made and can be changed at will and to suit any circumstance, that is the reality, everything else is fantasy.


  27. Obama did not set into motion the conditions that spawned the growth of Isis. Recently Tony Blair admitted that his and Bush’s actions in Iraq that laid the breeding ground for that.


  28. … that it was his and Bush’s actions in Iraq

  29. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    People like to put their own little spin on history to suit themselves…lol


  30. Shows you how many Johnnies-come-lately yap away on this medium daily without a clue about what went on in their own country over the past 40 or 50 years.

    Go out and buy—then read—“Eyewitness” and “Political Warriors” and equip yourselves with information. Attend lectures by competent Barbadian historians and then come back and broadcast.

    “I believe this and that” and other “bits and pieces” won’t cut it.

  31. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Carl……I believe you have all the information……share with us, some of us were either not living in Barbados at the time, not born yet, or too young to remember the full story, please fill us in.


  32. Well, well, well. If it is not Carl Moore, who swore never to revisit or post on BU. Well, well, well. It is a good thing the BU family is quite forgiving. Carry on smartly Mr. Moore.


  33. GeorgeW Bush time in office as President of the USA took on the most turmoil in present dsy history starting with the Iraqi war which set in motion another sets of devastating results following the 911 bombings vy Alqeda which then he unfolded policies called “the war in terror”with military force to attack Alqeda in Afghanistan and iraq
    The combination of all these policies by George Bush is now the cause of having unpredictable turmoil and unstable govts in the middle east


  34. Sidney Burnett-Alleyne was, at the time, a small time gun runner. With the amount of guns and ammunition knocking about Barbados these days, we have many people who are bigger gun dealers and runers than Sidney Burnett-Alleyne.
    I would have been more scared of his cousin , or brother, the legendary Brute Alleyne.


  35. @Col Buggy

    There was a web site quoted, it was a joke!


  36. Whether it was Bush who planted the seed for ISIS let us agree if we take the argument to a logical place – Obama will leave the world in a more sorry state as far as his foreign policy success is concerned. We should also recall Obama was voted in on a promise of change. History will not record that he achieved the goal.


  37. @David
    He placed his trust in Hilary and Kerry, one is Ms Tricksie and the other is Dumbass Herman Munster! I supposed he had to find work for these 2 to please the perty?

  38. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Even Alvin will have information on Sidney Burnett-Alleyne.


  39. Rattlesnake Logic

    As long as we insist on maintaining the “moral high ground”, we will NEVER win the war on terrorism! We’re in a conflict which we absolutely INSIST in playing by the rules – against a maniacal group who have NO rules!

    Rattlesnake Logic in dealing with terrorists.

    After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to determine why these men did what they did. They want to know what America did to make these brothers so angry with us.

    They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did something so terrible.

    The media is in a tizzy about this new era of homegrown radicals and about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.

    A Texan explained it:

    Here in west Texas , I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us.

    I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch.

    I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway.

    In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison.

    I don’t stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me; I know it WILL bite me because it’s a rattlesnake and that’s what rattlesnakes do.

    I don’t try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a “meaningful dialogue” with it. I just kill it.

    I don’t try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me.

    I just kill them.

    I don’t quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won’t tell me and (b) I already know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one.

    I don’t look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time.

    Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes.

    Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me and my family? Yes!

    And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more thought to the fact that these jihadists’ are telling the world their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.

    They have posted graphic videos on the internet showing them beheading Americans. They are serious.

    They are exactly like rattlesnakes. It is high time for us to start acting accordingly!

    I love this country. It’s the government I’m afraid of! Why? Look who’s new in the White House!

    Arif Alikhan, Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security

    Mohammed Elibiary, Homeland Security Adviser

    Rashad Hussain, Special Envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC)

    Salam al-Marayati, Obama adviser and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council and is its current executive director

    Imam Mohamed Magid, Obama’s Sharia Czar from the Islamic Society of North America

    Eboo Patel, Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships

    This is flat-out scary! The foxes are now officially living in the hen house… Now ask me why I am very concerned! Do you feel OK with this? How can this happen? – and when will we wake up? We are quiet while our country is being drastically changed!


  40. One cannot advance the argument of more turmoil under the Obama administration without fully examining the root causes and the effect on society as a whole,
    Also one must use caution in the approach to place blame without the full review of every aspect of govt policies leading up to before and after each war, AS in the case of 911 where the devastation gave cause for Bush to declare war on Iraq however his rationale turned out to be a bold face lie

  41. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    MoneyB…….who will kill those rattlesnakes, are your peeps up for the job, if they get too uppity on the island, in a perfect environment, it would be the perfect solution, seeing as your peeps would have a lot to lose..

  42. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    And Money……I forgot to add, it’s way past time for your peeps on the island to start getting their own hands dirty, for their own self-preservation.


  43. @ Simple Simon November 26, 2015 at 7:40 PM,

    I would hope that you are playing the role of a Devil’s Advocate? I trust that you are aware that the practise and enactment of law; and the passing of legislation normally evolves at a tortuously slow pace. There are exceptions, for example when a country goes to war the government of the day will demand that their legislators make amendments to the law in order to facilitate their government to concentrate all their efforts on the needs of their country during a period of crisis.

    There have been many cases of countries at war that have identified or suspected that they may have citizens living amongst them who have the potential to harm their country of residence. I believe that many Japanese-Americans were incarcerated when Japan declared war on Germany.

    The spread of corruption, the surge in gun-trafficking, the growth in the drugs trade and the growth in organised crime would suggest to me that we have living amongst us a small but well-to-do, well-connected minority who are disconnected to Barbados. These groups and individuals are determined to build a Barbados that is a self-reflection of their political, social, cultural and religious values. That their vision is diametrically opposed to the majority of the population does not concern them in the slightest.

    We know that the Afro-Bajan is limited in their capacity to create such a carefully constructed Machiavellian plan. There are a number of groups who have embedded themselves in our society who are manipulating the strings of government and members of our society.

    You mentioned that our main trading partners would punish us. These are not genuine trading partners they sell their surplus services, products and produce to us; whilst we sell them a few scraps of sugar and some sand, sea and sun. Are you happy with this one-sided relationship?

    The “moderate” Muslims and Hindus would have nothing to fear. But for those who harbour plans to destroy our lifestyle. I would show them the door. Where they end up should not concern us.

    As a black man living in the UK I would say to you rejoice that you are living in a country that is almost one hundred percent black. Keep it that way. I found your concerns about the Muslim community being concerned about their children becoming seduced by ISIS puzzling!


  44. @ Well Well & Consequences November 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM,

    You are aware that the vast majority of those early white British settlers to Barbados constituted the dregs of British society. Many of them were born losers: gamblers, the indebted, prostitutes, ex-convicts, drunks, vagabonds, people on the run, et al.

    This is something that they do not teach in your Barbados history. The painting below is a good example of those early settlers. It is a depiction of Gin Alley in London by the famous artist Hogarth.

    It makes you wonder why these people are so uppity and why so many Negros seem to revel in the fact that part of their D.N.A. is made up from this stock of losers.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aRr5NGCSoLI/TsJl5Gr03KI/AAAAAAAAABg/uwrjEI0AluI/s320/ginlane_closeup.jpg

  45. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Yes Exclaimer, some of us know. Those were the days the British practiced ethnic cleansing and Eugenics on their own people, trying to separate the garbage from what they considered the creme de la creme of society’s diseased hemopliliac incestously tainted blood. Definitely an exercise in futility since they all remain one and the same, to this day.

    Unless the truth is taught in schools, Caribbean people will remain unaware. The local minorities are caught between reality and pretense, let’s hope they are cognizant enough to realize that given the present situation on the island, they are on their own and should not seek any help from the majority.


  46. @ Well Well & Consequences November 28, 2015 at 11:02 AM,

    Let’s hope that the rattlesnake man does not see our postings. If he does not respond then we will have to conclude that the rattlesnake got the better of him!

  47. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Lol


  48. @Simple Simon November 27, 2015 at 11:29 AM #

    Sydney went to Mt Tabor school with some of my cousins.

  49. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-terrorist-cries-captured-article-1.2449026

    These ISIS dudes are only vicious until they meet someone even more vicious, then they cry, boo, hoo..


  50. WW

    MB’s peeps are ALL Bajans!!!

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