The Caribbean and the ISIS Threat

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A few years ago is was all about Al Qaeda, now the world has become preoccupied with the threat from ISIS. Although some will challenge the degree to which the two terrorist organizations […]have been manufactured by the foreign policy of the West,

BU is concerned that the Caribbean may be dragged into a cesspool of geopolitics in the near future.

Immediately after the Paris terror allegedly carried out by ISIS, it was reported that three Syrians with fake passports were arrested in St. Maarten. As if this is not cause for worry for Caribbean residents – who live in one of the more peaceful geographies in the world – there is the more worrying development coming out of Trinidad. It is being reported by the venerable traditional media in Trinidad that hundreds of its citizens have joined the ISIS fight.  Is there any doubt Barbadians should be very concerned?

Several events in recent weeks point to a ramping up of global unrest in the ME. Note BU has not mentioned the Black on Black violence also ramping up in several countries in Africa which appears to be a horse of a different colour. What appears to be man’s inhumanity to man rampaging across the globe surely will touch God’s country in a direct way at some point. We have to admit the assurances from Prime Minister Stuart et al provide little comfort we in this part of the world are able to defend our borders from any terrorist threat.

The following commentary by  David Jessop addresses the issue of whether the Caribbean is immune from what the West has branded an ISIS threat.

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Commentary: The View from Europe: The Caribbean is not immune

Published on November 21, 2015
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By David Jessop
The sensitive subject of terrorism in a Caribbean context is a matter this column has addressed before with some caution. However, following recent events in Europe it is clear that it is an issue that now needs to be taken more seriously in the region as those who wish harm to the world begin to deploy their ‘foreign policy’.

http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/topstory-Commentary%3A-The-View-from-Europe%3A-The-Caribbean-is-not-immune-28407.html

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  • @ TheObserver November 26, 2015 at 10:16 AM
    “The aim of the terrorists appears to be one of grabbing headlines by acting in a savage or horrific manner. Given the way these horrible and savage acts commands the media attention, every country is just one-step away from the center of the world stage.
    It would be wise to remember that the islands “even further away from the world stage in the 70’s” saw plane bombings on hijackings.”

    What Shaft also fails to factor into his assertion is the Modus Operandi of ‘terrorists’.
    “Let us go after easy targets. Vulnerable innocent people can be taken out as collateral damage to our cause.”
    Yes, like European and American tourists soaking up sun, sea and sand in places with naïve governments whose security policies are governed by the feeling terrorists will never operate in these idyllic isles called paradise.
    These people cannot even remove the garbage and detritus from the pavements within 1 week how would they be able to deal with highly intelligent sophisticated madmen bent on causing destruction all in the name of some philosophy or imaginary god.

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  • WW wrote
    always thought and will always think that politics and religion are the 2 most destructive man-made forces on earth, as long as those 2 forces are allowed to survive, there will always be violence and danger to humans.

    Excellent! The truth is that far too many Humans love to act out their corrupt nature in those 2 arenas. Proof of what I always contend that the problem is Humans—racial behavior is a subset of politics—divide and conquer.

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  • There is a reason that most chess champions were usually Russian, don’t think Putin is some idiot. Americans are handcuffed by public opinion Putin will be able to manoeuvre a dropping of sanctions, no change really in the Syrian regime …crimea and parts of Ukraine will be yesterdays news if the end game plays out like he might see it. America etal has to back out let isis form a new country …declare war …then bomb the shit out of them because then there would be no collateral damage It is funny how wars are how Americans are taught geography

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Lawson….lol

    MoneyB…..on point.

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  • @Tell me Why

    You need to appreciate Turkey’s position given its border, it is very vulnerable to an unstable ME.

    @Well Well

    There is NO evidence that a less than 1% population in Barbados poses a threat to national security.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    David….a threat does not need 1% of a population, it just needs 1-5 very determined well funded people like has already happened in Barbados, the black leaders are not in control of the economy and very little else, that means the threat is already in place.

    The same 1% ‘non-threat’ have financial control, who is going to do something about that David? How much more evidence do you need and in what form?

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  • Moneybrain

    You’re wrong on the issue of politics and religion because I am here think, what would you suggest in place of these two ideas which have in my opinion advanced our human civilization.

    Come Brains, you ought to know by now that for every good that comes into the world, there is a corresponding evil.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    I did not want to hit a low blow but a half-wit Canadian female with questionable mental issues walked into B’dos 5 years ago, surrounded herself with government ministers and had everyone of them sign away the island to her, in 5 shorts years. What do you think the 1% have done with the 40 years they had to play with, having no resistance from anyone, they would not need to resort to violence, but try removing them then you will see the difference.

    Cow-an was only caught because of your determination and an era that has provided the internet. Don’t forget, the ministers still don’t tell the people anything, so you don’t even know what agreements have been in place and continually updated for the last 40 years by various ministers and the 1%. Again, remember that Bajans are docile, no need for the 1% to break a sweat, no one will question them and no one is equipped to remove them.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Dompey….advance it to what? The world is in total and utter chaos. There was a lull between the late 70s to early 90s where there was a false sense of security in the region, but how long did it last. Bear in mind all of this is cyclical.

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  • I still maintain my earliest comment that the Turkey Putin deserves what ever comes his way from the fall out of the War, as for the downing of the plane that would be settled with diplomatic formalities including sanctions etc between Turkey and Russia without further advancement of war between the two nations,

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    And besides, David, this has come from flies on the walls over the decades, all the 1% and the otherminorities have to do to the government ministers is call them up, demand in a rough voice what they want and drop the phone down in their years, dem likkle boys calling themselves ministers of government can’t even protest, they will get a cut ass. .lol

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  • Dompey

    Many millions of people have died very prematurely due to bad Politics and Bad Religion. ISIS is using religion to con youngsters. Which other “religion” talks about killing Christians, Jews and most importantly Muslims who convert?????? Did Jesus, Buddha et al lead armies to kill humans?

    Science was retarded by the Church as they stated, ” the Sun revolves around Earth” They threatened geniuses like Leonardo, Michelangelo, Galileo et al.

    We owe our progress to Incentive, Innovation/ brains, hardwork—-

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  • LOL funny how all these nations now that Isis is showing up their door steps asking Obama to help them fight the war, However ! Yes However when Obama was fishing for help to go into Syria to destroy the biological chemical weapons not one outside Britain step forward to help,
    Yes this is history stepping forward to bite them in the a,ss and Obam must be SHFh,

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    I don’t know if the muslim association in B’dos is testing the waters or flexing some muscle, but according to the newspapers 6 Bangladeshi ‘businessmen’ went into Barbados, was given one week by immigration, which immigration has all right to do, the Bangladeshis had all right to appear before immigration on the wharf any day after, present their tickets and request more time as ‘businessmen’, immigration rarely refuses such a request, instead these Bangladeshis with the help of an idiot for a lawyer, challenged immigration in court, no less, a court already clogged up with crap. I will love to hear other people’s views on this while waiting for the outcome.

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  • The April 2013 reiteration

    In April, in a letter sent to lawmakers saying there was evidence that chemical weapons had been used in Syria, White House legislative affairs director Miguel E. Rodriguez asserted: “Because of our concern about the deteriorating situation in Syria, the president has made it clear that the use of chemical weapons — or transfer of chemical weapons to terrorist groups — is a red line for the United States of America. The Obama administration has communicated that message publicly and privately to governments around the world, including the Assad regime.”

    No body cared at that time . Everbody laughed at obama , Now the fallout has began to infect these freindly nations they want quick and instant relief,
    Obama will remain firm on how to handled this crisis as he has already stated that america military soldiers would not be placed on the ground in syria,
    Putin owns this malaise it is for him to figure his way out, Everything that is now occurring is caused by his bullying approach to solve the Syrian problem

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  • This was just the beginning

    More than 1,400 killed in Syrian chemical weapons attack, U.S. says

    which now have lead to thousands of Syrian refugees seeking humanitarian refuge in other lands along with them the machinery of death and destruction.

    all of which could have been avoided if all these so called Nato nations has listened and stop the bleeding,
    Now the horse has bolted out of the barn and makes a mad dash across everybody front yard, the stable handlers are out in force looking for help.

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  • and has Obama pleaded with Congress the rest of the world kept quiet now the ashes are falling and guts are spilling they all look to Obama for relief

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  • @ac

    Alas, I have seen others comment on your politics and now I must comment on your foreign policy…

    One of the reasons why the rest of the world may not have rushed in as requested by the US is that America (USA) has been calling it wrong for years. Their Middle East policy is non-existent or a failure. There were no weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein is dead, Iraq is a mess, and as a result Iran has leapfrogged from being a mere contender to being one of the dominant Arab nations; Gaddafi was ousted and killed and Libya is in ruins.

    The beneficiaries of US policy and of the ‘Arab Spring’ seems to be the most radical and the extremist elements of the Arab society.Instead of flourishing democracies we have a collection of failed states.

    This demonstrates that leaders are not chess pieces that you can remove off the board. The US has no idea who will replace Assad….

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  • Moneybrain

    What’s your point…? millions of people have died prematurely in the name of bad medicine; as well as millions of people have died prematurely in the name of corruptive police practices, so your point is neither here or there Brains.

    Well as you well know today is ThanksGiving Day in America, so Obama calls up Putin and asked him what will he be having for dinner this evening … and Putin replies Turkey.

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  • Of Course not the ME is not like the West there are variuos factions that thrive on each other for support, the end game is not always who will be in charge but the better of the two evils. Right now the fall out from syria stems from a lack of intestinal fortitude and an unwillingness for Nato govts who Obama was depending on to slow the onslaught from both sides of the warring factions and rather to look at the facts which would have given them enough support to weigh down heavily in the early stages of the civil war occurring inSyria.The Nato govts felt sufficiently encouraged not to take action preferably to weighed down on the history of Iraq as proof not to engage
    THe fact now this last minute effort coming from some Nato nations is too little too late,
    Obama had asked for a coalition of the willing, but got a deafening response from the coalition of the not so willing, these are some of the facts that have lead up to a mass exodus of syrian people embedded with suicide bombers arriving at Nato doorsteps and they have no one else to blame but themselves

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  • it is rumored isis has put out tenders for a waste to energy plant , they figured if just one woman can come to town and screw that many people they could save a ton of money on burkas and brides

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  • @ pieceuhderockyeahright November 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM,

    I found your post fascinating. We all know that you are a tremendous blogger with a sharp incisive mind, and a penchant for painting words in a vernacular style that some may find charismatic and at the same time mystifying.

    This monster called Isis has opened our eyes. It has forced us to interrogate ourselves. Many people are now posing the simple question: who are these people that we are sharing our island with; and to what degree are they militating towards imposing their lifestyle and their culture over us?

    There is nothing mystifying with your above post. You like me have come to the conclusion that the destiny of Barbados (and I mean her Afro-Bajan population) appears to be in the hands of a growing and an emboldened group of minorities (Muslims as well as many others).

    I would suggest that we in the Caribbean should embrace the politics of exclusion. Kenya and Uganda were two countries that allowed their Hindu and Muslim minorities to both dominate and humiliate them. We know how this ended. Muslims and Hindus were given a brief period to collect their items before they were repatriated.

    I am not in favour of the total expulsion of our Muslim and Hindu residents. However, I believe that we should draw up a legal framework which would give our government the potential to expel all Muslims and Hindus who they may consider to be undesirable.

    Under our current weak and corrupt democracy this goal would be unattainable. A strong man/woman at the head of government under an alternative system would have the support of the masses to implement such a change in policy.

    @ Crusoe,

    “MMISYY or Me, Myself and I, you could Suck Salt, ensures that bajans want nothing to do with foreign nonsense, but wants pudding and souse, mount gay rum or any white rum and time to watch the girls at the Banks calendar competition.”

    Your above comment confirms why we are in the position that we find ourselves in. Wake up from your slumber. I hope that your views are not representative of the average Bajan.

    @ Well Well & Consequences,

    Keep up the good work. I find your views and your sense of urgency comforting. You certainly have an awareness of the perils that face Barbados. Maintain your strident style, your voice and your opinions will soon become the main stream.

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  • @ Crusoe,

    I have already included this link on another forum. Please watch it.

    “President Uhuru Kenyatta’s address to the Nation on fighting corruption”

    http://ntv.nation.co.ke/news/national/-/2725528/2968332/-/x6basbz/-/index.html

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  • Hole in one, Observer!

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Fantastic video Exclaimer, short and to the point, they felt it, the know it, who have ears let them hear. I am wondering if that is Jomo Kenyatta’s son or grandson.

    The issues in Barbados as I try to elucidate are not ones where the use of violence is necessary, since there is no one who will fight back. The 1%s battle have already been won, having been quietly and subtly implemented and won over the decades, they are already embedded and entrenched, it’s just to expand.

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  • TheObserver November 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM #

    We have NATO nation shooting down a Russian plane.
    This is no laughing matter, If not handled correctly we could see a major confrontation between superpowers and their allies. It seems as if we have stumbled back into the age of the “Cold War” or an even worse situation
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………..
    For years the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and then Russia, habitually encroached on United Kingdom territory. Submarines off Scotland and Northern Ireland,as well as aircraft over Scotland. The name of the game is constraint. The RAF was scrambled and the Royal Navy deployed. Not a shot was ever fired,and the Soviets/Russians went their merry way. What sort of Generals we have in the Turkish High Command that would have given those Air Crewmen the OK to open fire, knowing the consequences that will surely follow.
    This is not Turkey against Russia, but Russian against NATO. This coming Cold War will be a few degrees hotter.

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  • President obama Thankgiving message pleas with americans to have open hearts and not to turn their backs on the syrian refugees

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  • “I DON’T CARE WHAT THE CCJ SAYS ABOUT THE FREEDOM ON MOVEMENT……….”
    The words of the Attorney -General of Barbados. And we wonder why many of our people show scant respect to those in authority. That is why PSV’s, bicyclists, motorcyclists,and many motorists now casually stick two fingers ,( or the American version), in the air at Law and Order in this country.
    Its not a matter of what was said, but how and where it was said.

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  • ac November 26, 2015 at 5:34 PM #
    President obama Thankgiving message pleas with americans to have open hearts and not to turn their backs on the syrian refugees
    …………………………………………………………………………………….
    Good advice. Turn your back on some of them, and you sure to end up with a split open heart, head ,torso ,etc.

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  • History be would the judge and jury of this moment in time and Obama is smart enough and wise enough to know so

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  • What were the chances of an isis president pardoning that turkey

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  • Turkey say it would not aplogize to Putin. Putin options are limited trying to start another war would be of little interest to Putin.right now his sole interest is protecting what he holds in Syria
    Furthermore his economy cannot support two ongoing wars at the homefront

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  • Here is why the world is in turmoil. We always think bombing some country will solve the world’s problem East vs West. Here is a fact – Obama is about to leave the world in more turmoil than even George Dubyuh.

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  • Self defence kit – a 9mm, a couple of clips, and a box of shells. That should do it!
    ​ That should make ISIS think twice​.

    cid:1523A36DF7DB485481274B32F6FA57EE@HPGrinnell

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  • How is obama leaving the world in more turmoil.SmFH.

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  • Wasnt iraq in chaos when Obama came into office
    Wasnt bin laden and his Alqeda bridgade having free reing a cross the globe.Wasnt obama killed
    Did not Obama closed that gap in Afghanistan bringing home the most of the american soldiers
    In Egypt did america send troops
    In this latest episode in Syria has Obama exploited the Syrian people.
    Is not Russia the cause of further escalation of the ongoing war with the Isis group retaliating on western citizens
    Since 911 and under the Obama administration america has enjoyed much of their freedoms
    If any truth to blame towards Obama can be attibuted to the social and economic enviroment that has cause civil disturbance in black communities

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  • @ Exclaimer November 26, 2015 at 4:38 PM “However, I believe that we should draw up a legal framework which would give our government the potential to expel all Muslims and Hindus who they may consider to be undesirable….Under our current weak and corrupt democracy this goal would be unattainable. A strong man/woman at the head of government under an alternative system would have the support of the masses.”

    Huh???????????

    How do we draw up a legal framework to expel born Bajans? Would not such a “legal framework” be illegal because it deprives born Bajans of their birthright to live in the country of their birth, and it would be in breech of the Constitution because it would discriminate against born Bajans because of their religion. And when “we expel them” Where would we expel them to? Whiclh country would take them in? I am sure that you know very well that Barbados does not have the military/demographic/geographic/economic muscle to engage in gross human rights violations and get away with it. You know that our main trading partners would punish us if we tried that shite?

    Exactly what is it that you see as weak and corrupt in our democracy? And how would a strong man/strong woman fix this?

    And what would stop the strong man/strong woman from also turning on you and yours if they come to consider wunna to be “undesirables”

    And exactly what “alternative system” system are you proposing? Are you willing to name your alternative system?

    And how do you know that your “alternative system” “would have the support of the masses.” Have you consulted with the masses? Or do you think that the “Masses” are so dumb that you can speak for them? Who appointed you “ruler and judge” over us?

    I guarantee you that if such a strong man/woman came to be such strong man/woman would not be content to expel just Muslims and Hindus. Why stop there. They are and they have always been other “undesirables” in Barbados. They would move on to other “undesirables”

    Useless undesirable old people. Just a waste of resources.
    Useless undesirable prisoners. Just a wast of resources.
    Useless undesirable disabled people. Just a waste of resources.
    Useless undesirable people who depend on welfare. Just a waste of resources.
    Useless undesirable drug addicts. Just a waste of resources.
    Useless undesirable alcoholics. Just a waste of resources.
    Useless undesirable fat people. They are eating up way too much of our scarce resources.

    I pray you do not wish for a strong man/strong woman. Because we may just get what you wish for.

    And has it occurred to you that the Muslim community in Barbados is even more anxious than you are. That they worry that their children may be seduced into killing themselves and others?

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  • @MoneyBrain November 26, 2015 at 6:44 PM “Self defence kit – a 9mm, a couple of clips, and a box of shells. ”

    Dear moneybrain: Can you bring me the above items when next you are coming home?

    And have you “drawn up a legal framework” to import them into Barbados?

    Lollll!!!!

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  • Simpy

    Bring in on Mon 30th for your Independence!

    Maycock’s Bay 3.35am on L49 “fishing” boat. HAHA

    CUdeh.

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  • Simple Simon,

    For once I have to agree with you.

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  • @Crusoe November 26, 2015 at 4:17 AM “but wants pudding and souse, mount gay rum”

    But Crusoe, in Barbados nuff, nuff people die from strokes induced by alcohol and grease. If isis wants to better those numbers they would need something stronger than AK-47’s. They would maybe need nuclear weapons.

    And yet we Bajans continue our grease eating rum drinking ways (me too).

    I think that proves that we Bajans are not afraid of sickness nor death.

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  • @Telling it like it is November 26, 2015 at 10:06 AM “The EU and USA support moderate terrorists like the ones who shot the defenseless parachuting pilot.”

    Dear Teling it like it is: Can you explain the term moderate terrorists?

    Tek ya time and THINK before you respond.

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  • @TheObserver November 26, 2015 at 10:16 AM “the islands “even further away from the world stage in the 70’s” saw plane bombings on hijackings.”

    And the terrorists who bombed the Cubana jet at Paynes Bay are still free men. And don’t tell me they were not terrorists. My 12 year old sister witnessed the plane going down. She could not/would not fly for decades afterwards. And still cannot talk about it without being terrified.

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  • And yet we Bajans continue our grease eating rum drinking ways (me too).
    I think that proves that we Bajans are not afraid of sickness nor death.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    NO!
    …what it proves is that Bushie is right
    that Barbados is full of brass bowls…
    …and that you is one 🙂

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  • Night, nite sweetness!!!

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  • Simple Simon November 26, 2015 at 8:26 PM #

    And yet we Bajans continue our grease eating rum drinking ways (me too).
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………
    You have left out one other. Night Racing at the Garrison,and other similar venues. Or does that come under Grease Eating.

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  • MoneyBrain November 26, 2015 at 6:44 PM #
    Self defence kit – a 9mm, a couple of clips, and a box of shells. That should do it!
    ​ That should make ISIS think twice​.

    You think so? In another life ,in another place, I had the ok to carry ,the same Self Defence Kit you have described, when going incognito,but opted not to.
    Picture this, you are walking down Broad Street and you observed some terrorist activity, where upon you draw your 9 Mill. Up come armed members of the Security Forces. What are your chances of being shot, mistaken for one of the terrorists?

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  • @Col Buggy
    For years the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and then Russia, habitually encroached on United Kingdom territory. Submarines off Scotland and Northern Ireland,as well as aircraft over Scotland.
    ++++++++++
    They still do the same over both North American coasts and the US and Canada have to scramble jets frequently to chase the Russians away. I don’t doubt that the Americans do the same to both China and Russia it is a game of cat and mouse.
    Recently the Swedish Navy was on alert after a soviet sub was spotted near Stockholm, and there was an incident where Chinese fighter jets were shadowing US Jets over the Yellow Sea.

    All that pales in comparison to KAL 007 shot down by the Russians in September 1983 with a loss of 269 lives, the Russians were conducting missile tests in the area and thought they were shooting at an RC 135 American spy plane. The Koreans had the wrong navigational coordinates loaded into their system and were unwittingly flying over Russian territory when it was shot down.

    The Americans used to fly U2 spy planes over Russia as the Russian Migs couldn’t intercept them at 70,000ft and Russian missiles were incapable of reaching them at that time. The Russians eventually shot down Francis Gary Powers which was a big propaganda coup for Khrushchev at the UN. I once read an article that speculated that Powers was flying at a lower altitude which enabled the Russians to reach him because his altimeter was tampered with by a technician in Turkey (yes that same Turkey). Powers parachuted to safety and declined to take the cyanide capsule provided to him in case of capture. Incidentally the Russian missile bases in Cuba were spotted by the U2 flights crisscrossing the island.

    The US and Russia now have spy satellites which can do the work for them but recently China tested an anti-satellite weapon capable of bringing down satellites.

    Stay tuned.

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  • terrorists on broad st ????? terrorists go where they can blow themselves up and cause the most carnage which would be the welfare office on roebuck st

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  • We should all feel very uncomfortable watching the video instead of some of the myopic bullshite some of you have posted under this topic.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Simple….actually, it can and has been done before any country can remove anyone, including people born in that country, who are preceived as threats to the security of the island or country. It would have to be under extreme circumstances, but doable. Remembet Cuba and Raoul, the convicted drug dealer, he only barely made it back into Cuba.

    You may have missed my post about Austin ‘Tom’ Clarke, he was born in Barbados and removed when preceived as a threat. Nowhere is it written in stone that a country has to put up with any home grown or home born threat. The US does it all the time and that’s just for fun…lol, make them fight to get back in……so, if any of the muslim population ever feel the need to show themselves as boss, they can and should be dealt with accordingly.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    The video is indeed very disturbing, these young boys are not being given an opportunity by their parents to grow up and make their own choices/decisions, they are being brainwashed and programmed to accept a violent ideology before even old enough to understand just what they are accepting, that’s taking child abuse to a whole new level. They will live what they learn.

    I just bet the female children are being kept in some room and taught that they are just breeding machines in existence for the sole purpose of obeying and becoming obedient to the males, which is equally repulsive, having that ridiculousness pounded into your brain at so young an age.. The dude from Trinidad makes the whole thing more repugnant by stating that he had a good life in Trinidad while growing up, despite his parents forcing christian teachings on him, which I am also against, all these ideologies succeed in doing is creating monsters, proof of which is right here for everyone to see. Those Trini dudes should be barred from re-entry into the Caribbean, they have made their beds as evidenced by all the destructive diatribe.

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  • @Well Well

    The greatest point is that this is not about ISIS per se but the inability of societies (governments) to properly raise the children, give hope to its people etc

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  • Under Obama we have seen the rise of so called ISIS much more vicious than Al Quaeda. We have seen the vacuum left by puppet governments in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya etc. The fight in the ME between Israel and the PLO has not improved. Mubarak removed in Egypt and what? Now Turkey and Russia entering the fray. Then we have the refugee crisis getting worse by the day.

    to be continued.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    As we can clearly see David, governments are not interested, as they lie and as stated in everyone of their manifestos, in maintaining any ability to properly raise children, unless indoctrinating them to be political yardfowls or give hope to it’s people, for the very same reason. If you look at it from another perspective, politics is just another ideology that is equally destructive minus the use of guns and violence to implement, but just as mind draining. In this instance, ideologies are the problem plaguing the world.

    Most people would have forgotten by now, but under Bush the elder, now in a wheelchair, it was engineered by him and his ilk, continuing to play god, a new world order, these are the results of their new world order and attempts at playing god from one corner of the earth to another. Ideologies gone bad..lol

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  • There is no USA government that has been in Power in present era that the ME has not escalated in violence, The notion that things in the Middle East has got worse under Obama is a revisionist distortion of history.

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  • Telling it like it is

    Simple Simon November 26, 2015 at 8:36 PM #

    “@Telling it like it is November 26, 2015 at 10:06 AM “The EU and USA support moderate terrorists like the ones who shot the defenseless parachuting pilot.”

    Dear Teling it like it is: Can you explain the term moderate terrorists?”

    There’s no such thing as moderate terrorists that’s the point. The quote you re-posted is about irony. The moderate terrorists backed by USA and EU with M16’s and TOW missiles murdered the defenseless Russian pilot in his parachute. Putin is on the right side in this chaotic war. The difference between moderate terrorists backed by EU and USA and radical terrorists backed by Turkey and Saudi is the moderates eat the livers of their victims. The radical jihadists burn their victims alive in a cage. They also behead and run them over with a tank. Its surprising Iran with its million man army hasn’t unleashed its forces in Syria to help its friend Assad. With Russians bombing from the air and the Syrians and Iranians attacking on the ground its a war that can be won. At least there would be that less terrorists, moderate and immoderate, in the world. Obama is on the wrong side in Syria.

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  • @Well Well
    You may have missed my post about Austin ‘Tom’ Clarke, he was born in Barbados and removed when preceived as a threat.

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    Where the hell did you get that info? Tom was a friend of EWB who brought him back to Bim to manage the CBC. Tom was forced to leave because the staff rebelled at his management methods and its easy to get rid of one person instead of a hundred to serve labour peace.

    Tom and Barrow were so close that Tom wrote a piece about Barrow preparing “privilege’, in his book “Pig Tails and Breadfruit”.

    So who was Tom a threat to?

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  • I find the expression “moderate terrorist” to be very amusing. Whilst I would prefer to encounter such a fellow as oppose to his more rabid and fanatical counterpart, I suspect that his bombs and bullets would have the same effect on his victims as those of an angry and vicious terrorist.

    🙂 I knew what you meant… but one man’s ‘moderate terrorist, is a next man’s murderer….

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Sargeant..I am not the one forced him out of Barbados, nor had him removed, so I had and still have no clue why he was chased out. Glad you brought that up, because since then, I have known personally of other people who have been removed, back to other islands/countries as well have Bajans, born there who were chased out.

    As I said, it’s not written in stone anywhere that any country has to tolerate threats or what they preceive as threats to the country.

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    Sargeant….I also don’t have the details, maybe you do, Sidney Barnett, can’t remember the full name, maybe Alleyne, but I believe he was a controversial removal, bajan born.

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  • @Well Well & Consequences November 27, 2015 at 3:55 AM “any country can remove anyone, including people born in that country, who are preceived as threats to the security of the island or country. You may have missed my post about Austin ‘Tom’ Clarke, he was born in Barbados and removed when preceived as a threat.”

    Oh please well, well. You think I is a jackass?

    Austin Clarke is a Bajan and a Canadian.

    Barbados CANNOT forbid Clarke from living in Barbados, nor can they prevent him from entering Barbados whenever he feels like it.

    The Barbados government can of course refuse to hire him (I myself have never been hired by the Barbados government) as the government does not owe anybody work. But in any event Clarke is a writer. The beauty of being a writer is that the writer does not have to be in any physical space in order to do his work.

    So you lie when you say that the Barbados government expelled Tom. Both Barbados and Canada permits dual citizenship so when Tom became a Canadian he was not required to renounce his Bajan citizenship, unlike that backward place where you live which requires new citizens to swear unswerving loyalty to one country as though it is impossible to love ones parents [country of birth] and once’s spouse [country to which one migrated] at the same time.

    Canada only rarely removes citizenship from people granted Canadian citizenship. And then only through a long drawn out TRANSPARENT COURT PROCESS, and then only for war crimes. So the Canadians cannot expel Tom either.

    You really should not come on this blog telling lies. It destroys the little credibility that you have.

    So I restate. The Barbados government CANNOT expel Barbados born citizens.

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  • @Well Well & Consequences November 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM “Sidney Barnett, can’t remember the full name, maybe Alleyne, but I believe he was a controversial removal, bajan born.”

    Yes. Sidney Burnett-Alleyne. Went to school with some of my siblings.

    The Barbados government did not expel old Sid. Sidney may have felt that he would be better off somewhere else, so he voluntarily left Barbados.

    As did many tens of thousands of Bajans during my lifetime. They may have left because of various socia/economic hardships, but they were NOT expelled. The Barbados government has no authority and has never had any authority to expel Barbados born citizens.

    Either you lie, or you are seriously misinformed.

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  • So even while the Barbados government cannot expel its own born citizens. The Barbados government still has the authority to execute its citizens, and even to execute foreigners living here who play de ass in any serious way (murder, treason etc.)

    And even though we have not executed anyone recently we still have the authority to do so, and most Bajans are still very much pro death penalty.

    People really should not forget that.

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    Simple….. I did not say Tom was expelled and the US allows you to hold dual citizenship just like Canada and how do you know where I am and do you know about Sydney Burnett à born Bajan who was expelled, I believe he was allowed to live in Englànd, that was not the last case but the most controversial. There are many people who have been forced out, removed and expelled from Barbados, both through red tape and without. Do some research, or just say you are not familiar with the events. But unless you know for sure, it is a known fact that any governmènt can remove àny threat to national security, in any manner.

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    I am remembering it in bits and pieces, but I do believe Sidney Burnett’s expelling had something to do with arms and threaening to overthrow the government of that day on the island, can’t even remember who it was, but he was expelled, not simply removed.

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  • @Well Well & Consequences November 27, 2015 at 11:06 AM “As I said, it’s not written in stone anywhere…I have known personally of other people who have been removed, back to other islands/countries as well have Bajans, born there who were chased out.”

    Dear Well Well:

    Again either you lie, or are seriously misinformed.

    It is not written in stone, but it is certainly written in the Barbados constitution that no government of Barbados can expel Barbados born Bajans…however our government reserves the right to hang us if we seriously misbehave…come to think of it I would rather be expelled than hanged if push comes to shove but that choice is not offered in our constitution.

    Beside if Barbados expels me because I do something very, very bad…show me the country of the world which would take me in.

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  • Tom was not expelled nor removed.

    Sid may have though it better to live in the U.K.

    To the best of my knowledge both gentlemen are welcome to come to Barbados anytime.

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  • My siblings went to school with Sid. They thought that he was a joker.

    I have no opinion on him. Never met the man.

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  • @ Well Well & consequences.

    Austin “Tom” Clarke is very successful Barbadian and Canadian citizen.

    He was fired from CBC because he tried to get the employees to do what they were paid to do. So he went back to living in luxury in Toronto.

    For years I bought his books and gave them to friends and family as Christmas presents.

    “Author Austin Clarke Wins The 2002 Giller Prize
    05 Nov 2002

    TORONTO – At a gala dinner and award ceremony that drew over 450 members of the publishing, media and arts communities, Austin Clarke was named the 2002 winner of The Giller Prize, Canada’s premier literary prize for fiction. Austin Clarke’s winning novel, The Polished Hoe, is published by Thomas Allen Publishers. The largest annual prize for fiction in the country, The Giller Prize awards $25,000 each year to the author of the best Canadian novel or short story collection published in English.

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  • @Well Well & Consequences November 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM #
    I am remembering it in bits and pieces, but I do believe Sidney Burnett’s expelling had something to do with arms and threaening to overthrow the government of that day on the island, can’t even remember who it was, but he was expelled, not simply removed.

    He was neither expelled or removed. He may have left because he though it is his best interest to live elsewhere. The Barbados governments do not compel its citizens to live in Barbados.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Simple…………As I said and maybe you did not read, but Burnett was sent to England, don’t know if he’s still alive. Miller might have the full story, but he was expelled, regardless of what you say…..can’t remember if the word used was treason, why don’t you ask some questions, because you are not saying that you know anything about the events.

    I believe forcing Tom out at that time had something to do with something he wrote, go pick some brains and get the stories. Someone like Bobby Clarke would definitely know about these incidences.

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  • Dear Well Well:

    The U.S. government cannot expel U.S. born citizens either.

    And even U.S. citizens who have been granted citizenship are hard to expel. The citizenship must first be revoked and that process is transparent and takes years, and years, and years, because there are all kinds of right to appeal.

    And the U.S. will only expel citizens who were once foreigners if they lied during the citizenship acquisition process or if they commit serious wrong…think was crimes.

    You think that Constitutions are just pieces of old wrinkly paper?

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    Simple……I guess you never heard about ICE, or the immigration project that has been going on for years through one large company contracted to do so. Detainees are picked up at their homes for whatever infractions, even those committed in their homelands after 1996, new laws compliments of the Clinton Administration and from city, state and federal prisons. Now here is where it gets dicey, in that batch of detainees are those who can claim American citizenship in one form or another, but, as I said and maybe you did not read, it’s fun to deport them and have them fight to get back to the US.

    One such dude sent to Barbados, his mother was born American, he was a career criminal, it took him 8 years to return to the US, so Simple, just say you are not familiar with, it’s easier.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Like eerything else in politics, you cannot take any Constitution at it’s word, after all, it’s man made and can be changed at will and to suit any circumstance, that is the reality, everything else is fantasy.

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  • Obama did not set into motion the conditions that spawned the growth of Isis. Recently Tony Blair admitted that his and Bush’s actions in Iraq that laid the breeding ground for that.

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  • … that it was his and Bush’s actions in Iraq

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    People like to put their own little spin on history to suit themselves…lol

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  • Shows you how many Johnnies-come-lately yap away on this medium daily without a clue about what went on in their own country over the past 40 or 50 years.

    Go out and buy—then read—“Eyewitness” and “Political Warriors” and equip yourselves with information. Attend lectures by competent Barbadian historians and then come back and broadcast.

    “I believe this and that” and other “bits and pieces” won’t cut it.

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    Carl……I believe you have all the information……share with us, some of us were either not living in Barbados at the time, not born yet, or too young to remember the full story, please fill us in.

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  • Well, well, well. If it is not Carl Moore, who swore never to revisit or post on BU. Well, well, well. It is a good thing the BU family is quite forgiving. Carry on smartly Mr. Moore.

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  • GeorgeW Bush time in office as President of the USA took on the most turmoil in present dsy history starting with the Iraqi war which set in motion another sets of devastating results following the 911 bombings vy Alqeda which then he unfolded policies called “the war in terror”with military force to attack Alqeda in Afghanistan and iraq
    The combination of all these policies by George Bush is now the cause of having unpredictable turmoil and unstable govts in the middle east

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  • Sidney Burnett-Alleyne was, at the time, a small time gun runner. With the amount of guns and ammunition knocking about Barbados these days, we have many people who are bigger gun dealers and runers than Sidney Burnett-Alleyne.
    I would have been more scared of his cousin , or brother, the legendary Brute Alleyne.

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  • @Col Buggy

    There was a web site quoted, it was a joke!

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  • Whether it was Bush who planted the seed for ISIS let us agree if we take the argument to a logical place – Obama will leave the world in a more sorry state as far as his foreign policy success is concerned. We should also recall Obama was voted in on a promise of change. History will not record that he achieved the goal.

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  • @David
    He placed his trust in Hilary and Kerry, one is Ms Tricksie and the other is Dumbass Herman Munster! I supposed he had to find work for these 2 to please the perty?

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Even Alvin will have information on Sidney Burnett-Alleyne.

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  • Rattlesnake Logic

    As long as we insist on maintaining the “moral high ground”, we will NEVER win the war on terrorism! We’re in a conflict which we absolutely INSIST in playing by the rules – against a maniacal group who have NO rules!

    Rattlesnake Logic in dealing with terrorists.

    After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to determine why these men did what they did. They want to know what America did to make these brothers so angry with us.

    They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did something so terrible.

    The media is in a tizzy about this new era of homegrown radicals and about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.

    A Texan explained it:

    Here in west Texas , I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us.

    I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch.

    I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway.

    In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison.

    I don’t stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me; I know it WILL bite me because it’s a rattlesnake and that’s what rattlesnakes do.

    I don’t try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a “meaningful dialogue” with it. I just kill it.

    I don’t try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me.

    I just kill them.

    I don’t quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won’t tell me and (b) I already know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one.

    I don’t look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time.

    Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes.

    Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me and my family? Yes!

    And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more thought to the fact that these jihadists’ are telling the world their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.

    They have posted graphic videos on the internet showing them beheading Americans. They are serious.

    They are exactly like rattlesnakes. It is high time for us to start acting accordingly!

    I love this country. It’s the government I’m afraid of! Why? Look who’s new in the White House!

    Arif Alikhan, Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security

    Mohammed Elibiary, Homeland Security Adviser

    Rashad Hussain, Special Envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC)

    Salam al-Marayati, Obama adviser and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council and is its current executive director

    Imam Mohamed Magid, Obama’s Sharia Czar from the Islamic Society of North America

    Eboo Patel, Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships

    This is flat-out scary! The foxes are now officially living in the hen house… Now ask me why I am very concerned! Do you feel OK with this? How can this happen? – and when will we wake up? We are quiet while our country is being drastically changed!

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  • One cannot advance the argument of more turmoil under the Obama administration without fully examining the root causes and the effect on society as a whole,
    Also one must use caution in the approach to place blame without the full review of every aspect of govt policies leading up to before and after each war, AS in the case of 911 where the devastation gave cause for Bush to declare war on Iraq however his rationale turned out to be a bold face lie

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    MoneyB…….who will kill those rattlesnakes, are your peeps up for the job, if they get too uppity on the island, in a perfect environment, it would be the perfect solution, seeing as your peeps would have a lot to lose..

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    And Money……I forgot to add, it’s way past time for your peeps on the island to start getting their own hands dirty, for their own self-preservation.

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  • @ Simple Simon November 26, 2015 at 7:40 PM,

    I would hope that you are playing the role of a Devil’s Advocate? I trust that you are aware that the practise and enactment of law; and the passing of legislation normally evolves at a tortuously slow pace. There are exceptions, for example when a country goes to war the government of the day will demand that their legislators make amendments to the law in order to facilitate their government to concentrate all their efforts on the needs of their country during a period of crisis.

    There have been many cases of countries at war that have identified or suspected that they may have citizens living amongst them who have the potential to harm their country of residence. I believe that many Japanese-Americans were incarcerated when Japan declared war on Germany.

    The spread of corruption, the surge in gun-trafficking, the growth in the drugs trade and the growth in organised crime would suggest to me that we have living amongst us a small but well-to-do, well-connected minority who are disconnected to Barbados. These groups and individuals are determined to build a Barbados that is a self-reflection of their political, social, cultural and religious values. That their vision is diametrically opposed to the majority of the population does not concern them in the slightest.

    We know that the Afro-Bajan is limited in their capacity to create such a carefully constructed Machiavellian plan. There are a number of groups who have embedded themselves in our society who are manipulating the strings of government and members of our society.

    You mentioned that our main trading partners would punish us. These are not genuine trading partners they sell their surplus services, products and produce to us; whilst we sell them a few scraps of sugar and some sand, sea and sun. Are you happy with this one-sided relationship?

    The “moderate” Muslims and Hindus would have nothing to fear. But for those who harbour plans to destroy our lifestyle. I would show them the door. Where they end up should not concern us.

    As a black man living in the UK I would say to you rejoice that you are living in a country that is almost one hundred percent black. Keep it that way. I found your concerns about the Muslim community being concerned about their children becoming seduced by ISIS puzzling!

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  • @ Well Well & Consequences November 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM,

    You are aware that the vast majority of those early white British settlers to Barbados constituted the dregs of British society. Many of them were born losers: gamblers, the indebted, prostitutes, ex-convicts, drunks, vagabonds, people on the run, et al.

    This is something that they do not teach in your Barbados history. The painting below is a good example of those early settlers. It is a depiction of Gin Alley in London by the famous artist Hogarth.

    It makes you wonder why these people are so uppity and why so many Negros seem to revel in the fact that part of their D.N.A. is made up from this stock of losers.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Yes Exclaimer, some of us know. Those were the days the British practiced ethnic cleansing and Eugenics on their own people, trying to separate the garbage from what they considered the creme de la creme of society’s diseased hemopliliac incestously tainted blood. Definitely an exercise in futility since they all remain one and the same, to this day.

    Unless the truth is taught in schools, Caribbean people will remain unaware. The local minorities are caught between reality and pretense, let’s hope they are cognizant enough to realize that given the present situation on the island, they are on their own and should not seek any help from the majority.

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  • @ Well Well & Consequences November 28, 2015 at 11:02 AM,

    Let’s hope that the rattlesnake man does not see our postings. If he does not respond then we will have to conclude that the rattlesnake got the better of him!

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    Lol

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  • @Simple Simon November 27, 2015 at 11:29 AM #

    Sydney went to Mt Tabor school with some of my cousins.

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  • Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-terrorist-cries-captured-article-1.2449026

    These ISIS dudes are only vicious until they meet someone even more vicious, then they cry, boo, hoo..

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  • WW

    MB’s peeps are ALL Bajans!!!

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