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We have always blamed the West Indies Cricket Board, of Control (WICB)(C) and their regional members for the persistent failures in West Indies cricket and we intend to continue in this vein. The successes, we shamelessly attribute to the players, and the players alone. That trajectory of management failure is now likely to lead to the early exit of our team from the ICC World Cup of Cricket 2015. We will be asking what has to happen for us to jettison this culture of persistent failure in a form of the game where we are supposed to have a competitive advantage. An advantage based on our natural approach to the game. An approach which predates the commercialization of limited overs cricket. An approach not always accepted by the so-called regional cricket connoisseurs. Those who would want to be more English than the very English!
Over the last 24 hours both Ireland and Pakistan won their respective matches. Leaving the West Indies in fifth position and on 4 points after 5 matches โ€“ two wins and three losses. We are now above the UAE and Zimbabwe in the standings. Based on net run rate (NRR) there maybe some hope providing the West Indies could win their last match against the UAE and do so with a superlative NRR, thereby eclipsing Ireland, currently in the fourth position. Also we would have to depend on Ireland terribly losing their two (2) remaining matches against India and Pakistan. These odds appear, from the general performance of teams involved, to defy a reasonable judgment that this rare alignment of the stars will occur, but cricket is still supposed to be a game of ‘inglorious’ uncertainties…….Keep dreaming diehards!

The long odds that Ireland could lose both their remaining matches and in doing so fail to improve their NRR by more than 0.32 seem remote. We know that the armchair, not statisticians, but diehard (pundits) will have all kinds of permutations. These could include possibilities which are from remote to the intervention of some divine force to save the misguided management structure currently in place. Other will be motivated by who the current captain is. Which country he comes from. These petty loyalties have always militated against regional projects. To them it is alright to follow others and have international relationships, entanglements, traditions, but when it comes to regional unities there is to be a different standard. A mindset of insularity which belies otherwise reasonable stances.

We can’t say what has to happen to remove the collective scales from the eyes of Caribbean people. We have no idea what it would take to decapitate the leadership of the WICB(C) and other boards, either figurative or literally. We are at a lost why this pending humiliation will again be easily absorbed into the culture without the ultimate price being paid by the managements and directorates of all regional boards. We will never be able to comprehend how an abyssal failure, like this, a set of circumstances we saw coming, could be again papered over by the cricketing establishment. And why Caribbean people must continue financially supporting structures not of our making…..Like have happened in the past.

Those failures are well known and have been written about or discussed ad infinitum. They include, the recent debacle in India, the re-tweeting of comments derogatory of a senior player, the high-handed removal of senior players to prove political points, actions anathema to good governance, the elevation of a young but talented Jason Holder as captain primarily as an insult to other senior players. Certainly, any system run like this must fail. That we as Caribbean people cannot correct this maybe the best determination as to what/who we are as a people from this small region.


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107 responses to “Are the West Indies Out of the ICC World Cup 2015?”


  1. @David, what more to say really. You stated the facts and problems well.

    Your last sentence, “That we as Caribbean people cannot correct this maybe the best determination as to what/who we are as a people from this small region” is a powerful indictment.

    But I prefer to believe in the fact that we were able to build awesome teams in the past as an indication that we can do so again.

    May be fool’s gold I know, as we have been unable to harness that success again.

  2. Hamilton Hill Avatar

    A house divided amongst itself can’t stand and without much effort one can clearly see that this is a combination of eleven players as opposed to a team. If ever there was a time to abandon a tour, it should have been after the embarrassing loss to a group better known for their bagpipe playing than for their stroke playing. Right there and then this man was done with this bunch.


  3. @DeeWord

    This is a Pacha delivery we all can agree for the most part. Is it true Cameron has been retained? Prod help us.

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  4. Hamilton Hill Avatar

    @ Dee word. ..Any successful rebuilding process has to start with the removal of the politics that have plagued West Indies cricket for quite some time now. That the board under whose watch the greatest embarrassment ever suffered by us is still in place speaks volumes. In any other territory board and team is history.


  5. What is of concern is that both Cameron and Hinds appear to have retained their offices. Further, the alternative candidate Garner is of the same making.

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  6. David

    That is the problem with the region. All the people think alike, would do the same kinds of things, maybe it is inbreeding. The only differences are perceptions of differ. Everybody plays the same game. We know Garner well. He has been our friend for decades and we hate to have to admit that you are soooooo right. These people are a sameness of a sameness. A muchness of a muchness.


  7. With West Indies cricket on the bottom tier for the last 20 years there is a focus ALWAYS on the captain and the players. What the hell will it take? One would have thought there is 42 million reasons to do a change up but…

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  8. The writing was on the wall when they lost to Ireland but it was forgotten in the euphoria of Gayleโ€™s double century. I wrote at the time that the win papered over the cracks and would have loved to be proven wrong but WI cricket has been on the decline for the past decade and perhaps longer despite the occasional flashes of individual brilliance.

    The leadership that presided over the aborted tour of India and the abject failure that is this World Cup should be relieved of their positions but apparently the buck doesnโ€™t stop at Cameron.

    Welcome to the ranks of the โ€œalso ransโ€ for the foreseeable future.

  9. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    it is not true to say that With West Indies cricket has been on the bottom tier for the last 20 years

    1995 we lost to australia and drew with England in england
    in 96 we beat nz at home
    in 97we beat india at home
    in 98 we beat england at home but loss to south africa there
    in 99 we drew with australia at home
    in 2000 we beat zimbabwe at home
    and we can go on

    it is definitely not true to say that With West Indies cricket has been on the bottom tier for the last 20 years

    things are not good but the constant saying that we have been the worse thing for the last 20 years is false

    we are getting the same inconsistent results that we got before the glory days at a time when we had much better players

    we are out of the 2015 world cup it seems—–we can not win all the time

    in 1983 we were favorites and lost to india
    in those days we had a very great team—but lost anyway
    we didnt win this time
    let us prepare for next time and stop moaning and groaning

    i dont think we would have done any better with the super heroes bravo narine and pollard either
    why are these super heroes not playing in regional cricket to help develop their national team? why are we not moaning and groaning about this?


  10. @GP

    An upset in 83 is an entirely different predicament to where we find ourselves today. How else are we to force change unless Caribbean spectators loudly express dissatisfaction? West Indies cricket despite winning in the 90s was in decline.

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  11. In management when we seek to measure anything we rely on benchmarks. Why would we seek to compared this team, or any other, in the past 25 years to teams from the pre-dynastic era. That approach avoids common sense.

    Good management must find the best benchmarks. Certainly, we are the only people who would be willing to go back to pre-1975 for benchmarks. Everybody else is surpassing us, ever lower ranked, non-test playing, teams.

    Failure of West Indies cricket does not mean that we have not won anything. That is an inexactitude, an inappropriate metric. But the mere winning of some tournaments can only be a part of the overall measurement of success.

    Failure means not being able to consolidate cricketing soft power. Or as rulers of the game for 2 decades, not bringing the effective center of cricket to the Caribbean, like the Indians have now done.

    Or failure to transform the game in our likeness. Meaning that the development of the shortened form of the games should have been driven by us for commercial value etc.

    Or the failure to develop cricket in North America like we were mandated by the ICC to so do 2 decades ago. What kind of a business will ignore a 320 million peopled market, a market with a GDP of 17trillion to beg Caribbean government for money and concessions in perpetuity. Only the WICB(C).

    Or failure to generate revenues to drive cricket’s redevelopment. Or failure to fill the stadia with patrons. Failure to attract larger numbers of young people to the game. And we could go on and on…….

    These are the failures we mean……………


  12. @ Pachamama,
    You seem to have upset GP. What we all want to hear is that West Indies will make it to the next round and then go on to win the trophy.


  13. How many promising young people, like Jason Holder, has this Board destroyed over the last 30 years. We will bet at least a 100. If Holder is not care he too will be out of the game within a few years. These are the failures, past, present and future of the WICB(C)


  14. Agree with your last statement Pacha. You have defined what success means in a holistic sense.

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  15. David:

    Yesterday, we heard Michael Holding telling our captain, before a match, that he should attack certain key opposition players as soon as they came to bat. As opposed to a policy of containment. And this had us worried because we too had seen that tendency in his on the field management.

    We hate to say it but he has a point. Holder sometimes behaves in a timid fashion. Although his personal game has not so far suffered we are afraid that this captaincy is likely to adversely affect his game. In fact, he’s been relatively consistent, in comparison with most.This has happened to others before.

    Again, we would have preferred that Holder could have spent the next 1 to 2 years being prepared for leadership, on and off the field. Not being inserted as somebody’s political pawn!

  16. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Re Exclaimer March 7, 2015 at 5:18 PM #
    @ Pachamama,
    You seem to have upset GP. What we all want to hear is that West Indies will make it to the next round and then go on to win the trophy.
    NOT UPSET AT ALLโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆJUST BEING FACTUALRE

    Re Pachamama March 7, 2015 at 5:24 PM #
    How many promising young people, like Jason Holder, has this Board destroyed over the last 30 years. We will bet at least a 100.
    BE FACTUAL! List the 100 PROMISING YOUNG PEOPLE THAT THE BOARD HAS DESTROYED?
    IN WHAT WAY HAS THE BOARD DESTROYED at least a 100 young people, like Jason Holder?
    Re If Holder is not care he too will be out of the game within a few years. These are the failures, past, present and future of the WICB(C)

    WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR YOUR SILLY EMOTIONAL SPECULATION?
    PLEASE GIVE ANOTHER OF YOUR RAMBLING RANTS!


  17. Holder’s thrust into the leadership is a bold move and one which time will tell if it is a good one. It is also a move that reflects the state of West Indies cricket. Hopefully Lloyd et al will work with Holder to share feedback about his on the field tactics and if he is as intelligent as he seems to be we will observe progression. After the world cup a few hard decisions will have to be made, a few stalwarts have to be jettisoned.

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  18. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    re Although his personal game has not so far suffered we are afraid that this captaincy is likely to adversely affect his game. In fact, heโ€™s been relatively consistent, in comparison with most.This has happened to others before.
    WHO HAS THIS HAPPENED TO? GIVE ACCURATE EXAMPLES

    Again, we would have preferred that Holder could have spent the next 1 to 2 years being prepared for leadership, on and off the field.
    WHO IS WE?
    I AM QUITE HAPPY WITH WHAT LLOYD HAS DONE.HE HA TO DROP SOME OF THE REST OF THE JOKERS IN THE TEAM

    HOLDER IS A YOUNGSTER AND IN MY VIEW HE HAS SO FAR DONE VERY WELL SO FAR

    HE IS NOT PERFECT BUT HE HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO WHAT HIS TEAM MATES ARE NOT EVEN TRYING TO DO.

    HOLDER IS NOT SOBERS, AND EVEN SOBERS GOT A LITTLE BIT OF HELP WHEN HE SEEMED TO WIN GAMES ON HIS OWN


  19. @GP

    Agree with your last comment, it is obvious Lloyd and the selectors have taken a decision to build a team around Holder. Kraigg maybe next to take over the Test tea.

    Clean House!


  20. The bigger issue is that meaningful change cannot be made to the team with the administrative side lagging. Both must go hand in hand.

  21. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    rE Pachamama March 7, 2015 at 5:18 PM #
    In management when we seek to measure anything we rely on benchmarks. Why would we seek to compared this team, or any other, in the past 25 years to teams from the pre-dynastic era.

    WHY NOT? AND WHAT DYNASTY YOU TALKING ABOUT? SOMETIMES DURING THE โ€œ:DYNASTYโ€, WE WERE BARELY WINNING OR NOT WINNING AT ALL

    RE That approach avoids common sense.
    SAYS WHO?

    rE Good management must find the best benchmarks. Certainly, we are the only people who would be willing to go back to pre-1975 for benchmarks. Everybody else is surpassing us, ever lower ranked, non-test playing, teams.

    BECAUSE IRELAND WIN A FEW GAMES THEY ARE SURPASSING US? WE JUST BEAT THEM AT HOME A YEAR OR SO AGO?

    BULL SHIT! MOST OF THE TEAMS ARE PLAYING INCONSISTENTLY. SA AND AUSTRALIA WHO APPEAR TO BE THE BEST TEAMS HAVE LOST GAMES.
    INDIA WHO WERE JUST BEEN WHIPPED IN A TRI-SRIES HAVE WON ALL THEIR GAMES.

    RE Failure of West Indies cricket does not mean that we have not won anything. That is an inexactitude, an inappropriate metric.WHY BECAUSE YOU SAY SO?

    RE But the mere winning of some tournaments can only be a part of the overall measurement of success.

    BULLSHIT! WINNING IS THE IMPORTANT METRIC. WHEN WE WERE WINNING CONSISTENTLY YOU REFERRED TO THAT TIME PERIOD AS A โ€œDYNASTYโ€ ah lie?
    Winning was the metric thenโ€ ah lie? SO WHY YOU MOVING THE GOAL POSTS ah mean the metric NOW?

    AFTER ALL IT IS THE METRIC OF NON WINNING THAT HAS EVERY ONE MOANING AND GROANING now.

    RE Failure means not being able to consolidate cricketing soft power. WHO SAYS SO?
    Or as rulers of the game for 2 decades, WE WERE WINNING CONSISTENTLY BUT WE DID NOT RULE THE GAME SIR

    RE not bringing the effective center of cricket to the Caribbean, like the Indians have now done. THIS IS A NEW THING AND HAS MORE TO DO WITH OTHER ECONOMIC PARAMETERS IN INDIA- NOT CRICKET PER SE.

    RE Or failure to transform the game in our likeness. WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT SIR? HAS ENGLAND WHO INVENTED THE GAME TRANSFORMED THE GAME IN ITS LIKENESS?
    YOU HAVE A DISTINCT INABILITY TO ARTICULATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

    RE Meaning that the development of the shortened form of the games should have been driven by us for commercial value etc. THAT IS A NARROW OPINION? WHAT ABOUT TEST CRICKET? IS COMMERCIAL VALUE ALL? ISNT THAT THE METRIC THAT IS MESSING UP WEST INDIES CRICKET NOW.

    THE METRIC THAT THE GUYS WHO ARE NOW BEING PAID BETTER THAN EVER ARE PLAYING WORSE THAN EVEN BEFORE THE PRE 1975 DAYS

    RE Or the failure to develop cricket in North America like we were mandated by the ICC to so do 2 decades ago. HOW? WITH WHAT MONEY? WHY THE HELL DINT THE ICC DEVELOP CRICKET IN THE USA. HAVE THEY DONE A GREAT JOB IN THE UAE OR EVEN IN IRELAND OR SCOTLAND?

    What kind of a business will ignore a 320 million peopled market, a market with a GDP of 17trillion to beg Caribbean government for money and concessions in perpetuity. Only the WICB(C). WHICH COUNTRIES ARE DOING A GREAT JOB IN THIS WAY? WHY? HOW? EXPLAIN. YOU ARE TALKING SHITE AS USUAL! ANOTHER OF YOUR IRRATIONAL DOMPEY-ESQUE EMOTIONAL RANTS

    Or failure to generate revenues to drive cricketโ€™s redevelopment. Or failure to fill the stadia with patrons. WHERE IS THAT BEING DONE ? when? how?Failure to attract larger numbers of young people to the game. And we could go on and onโ€ฆโ€ฆ.GO ON AND ON AND SAY WHAT? you mean bull shit bout metrics

    what are YOU DOING TO FIX THINGS SINCE YOU KNOW SO MUCH AND HAVE AL THE NECESSARY………..METRICS!

  22. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ dAVID

    IF JASON HAD EXHIBITED THE BOLDNESS AND AGGRESSION OF MCCULLUM WE WOULD HAVE BEATEN INDIA

    I AM ONE WHO BELIEVES WHEN YOU ARE ON TOP GO FOR BROKE!

    WHEN NZ HAD AUSTRALIA ON THE RUN MCCULLUM AT 30 OVERS HAD BOWLED HIS BEST BOWLERS FOR 26 OVERS! VETTORI AND ONE OF HIS FAST BOWLERS WERE BOWLED OUT….THAT WAS THE DEATH! NOT WAITING FOR THE POST 45 OVERS PERIOD

    THE ODI GAME IS EVOLVING ALL THE TIME!
    FAILURE TO EVOLVE HAS ENGLAND IN BARE TROUBLE IT SEMS


  23. Holder strikes you as a talented strong young man internally and externally it would be surprising if he is not a success in his chosen sport. It wont be a cake walk nevertheless with his own a team that fully supports him and shared team objectives he can begin West Indies climb out of the ruins. He is young enough to have missed the internal blood letting which was at its peak in the Lara era. First Holder must clean house he must issue pink slips and thank the likes of Gayle, Bravo, Sammy and Smith and start fresh. The body language from the seniors towards his captaincy doesn’t suggest they support him beyond paying lip service when the cameras are running.

    The defeat of Garner was always on the cards he and Cameron have both shown themselves to be unsuitable candidates. The word around is that Garner is unpopular among administrators involved in regional cricket. As BCA president Garner also has on his plate the fiasco of the BCA hiring a convicted American criminal as a CEO. This was an embarrassing major cock up which he nor the controversial and divided BCA executive have explained to a dumb founded public.

    Looking around there aren’t any of the cricket legends of yesteryear who are capable enough to run the WICB. If a Jeff Broomes had the tolerance to get along with the wide variety of personnel from across the region he is a possibility.
    Added to his love and dedication for the game on top of his proven administration acumen he could be a candidate. In the meantime the cupboard is bare and West Indies cricket will continue to suffer as a result. The likes of Holder and the younger generation of regional players offer a glimmer of hope for the future.


  24. @Sporting Joe
    I was in full agreement with you until I read the following โ€œIf a Jeff Broomes had the tolerance to get along with the wide variety of personnel from across the region he is a possibility.Added to his love and dedication for the game on top of his proven administration acumen he could be a candidate.โ€

    Did the Govโ€™t finally legalise tampee? Why would you want to inflict Jeff Broomes on others?

    The re-election of Cameron is just another example of how the real world works, Garner has his flaws but Jamaicans say โ€œCameron may be an idiot but he is our idiotโ€


  25. OK David, I didn’t catch the byline with Pacha’s name.

    When I read the piece quickly earlier today I said to myself ‘this is a different style from David;s usual writing’. So immediately I should have checked the by-line. LOL

    All good though. Solid piece. And GP has already reviewed a few keys areas that I thought were oversold.

    Like the US mandate from ICC. Don’t see how it can really be categorized that way but so be it. More relevant however is that the inability to break into the US market can’t be dropped on the WICB.

    The dynamics of achieving commercial success with cricket were[/are very complex. The WICB had not displayed any special skills in that area previously so why would the ICC delegate such to WICB if they really felt the effort was viable.

    Does anyone remember the WI teams playing ODI in Canada and in Mt. Vernon, NY circa late 80’s early 90’s. There was a spark but no fire could be sustained.

    re World Cup:
    Well, a few people projected we would not get to quarters and of course after the Ireland lost we needed to beat either SA or India along with the others to be home and fry. So we are in a spot of bother.

    Thus we to go out with an explosion and hope for best: Smith is dropped for next match. Cottrel comes in to give him a run. Pinch hit Russell at top of order. Mandate for him and Gayle: 100 in first 10.

    Bat first and score 400. Play like tigers and do UAE for under 150. If we still don’ make it and even if we do…we start that endless rebuilding process.

    BTW GP.. If we had Narine at his best we would all our games would have been different. No way SA scores so many runs, thus NRR would not be as atrocious. He definitely would have given us an edge with India; maybe even pushed us to victory. All supposition yes but he was a proven commodity.


  26. Analytically speaking- were they ever in?


  27. Wasnโ€™t aware that the WI were tasked with the responsibility of developing the game in North America, talk about an uphill battle. I remember watching a game (WI vs rest of the World) at the then Skydome in Toronto in 1989 and the patrons were mainly all immigrants like yours truly (my ticket was bought by a Trinidadian co-worker who was married to a Pakistani). Even soccer which is played by multitudes of young children all over North America has not caught the interests of the majority of people except for those occasions when the World Cup is being played.

    What game existed in the English speaking Caribbean before cricket? Cricket to the people of these islands is bred in the bone, it doesnโ€™t have the same history, legacy or acculturation in North America and is unlikely to make a small imprint into the hearts and minds of the average resident of these parts.


  28. Ireland will lose to both India and Pakistan.

    W.I. will hammer UAE if we bat first and keep them under wraps if we bowl. Either way we win and improve our NRR.

    The Ireland NRR will not improve. The Pakistan attack will be too good and will bundle them out.

    Both teams on 6 points and WI to quarters. Then we come home after the first quarters game.

    No problem!


  29. Sargeant, neither was I. I certainly recall that the WI board were given the lead to assist the USCA due to proximity and also because as you said “the patrons were mainly all immigrants”.

    But the ICC was always the key player in getting the ‘business’ of the game going.

    Of course the task was a big one. Any sports marketer knows that game duration is a BIG variable for US patrons and the almighty TV market for team sports in US.

    Cricket in its ODI format back then was not going to make a dent in the US market expect for that immigrant community.

    Maybe T20s will be the magic bullet but the USCA is in all types of disorder.

    So it’s really open I expect to one of the Bollywood moguls to start an IPL league in US to tap into that large immigrant community or more realistically for the IPL or champions league officials to stage one of the champions league T20 tournaments in US.

    The other big problem of course is that there is no grassroots cricket played in US. Where will the local players be groomed?

    As I said earlier this is a complex issue and any failings are certainly not the fault of the WICB.

  30. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    RE But the ICC was always the key player in getting the โ€˜businessโ€™ of the game going.
    CORRECT

    A FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE USACA WAS MY CHILDHOOD BUDDY

    HE LAMENTED THE GREAT DISINTEREST AND INABILITY OF THE ICC TO HELP USA CRICKET

    SANFORD WITH T20 WAS SET TO INFILTRATE THE USA BUT HIS IMPRISONMENT CURTAILED THAT

    RE Cricket in its ODI format back then was not going to make a dent in the US market expect for that immigrant community.

    AMERICANS CAN NOT STAND STILL LONG ENOUGH TO APPRECIATE CRICKET
    ALTHOUGH WHEN I ASKED THE 10 YEAR OLD SON OF ONE OF MY AMERICAN STUDENTS THE QUESTION “WHAT DO YOU THINK OF CRICKET,” HE IMMEDIATELY ANSWERED THUS…….

    “THE BATTERS TEND TO HIT THE BALL WHERE THEY WANT TO HIT IT”

    IT IS NOTEWORTHY THAT MUCH MORE CRICKET IS PLAYED IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE USA THAN IS PLAYED IN THE WET INDIES……….BY IMMIGRANTS

    RE Why would you want to inflict Jeff Broomes on others?

    Jeff Broomes DID A VERY GOOD JOB IN THE NORTH WITH THE YOUTH CRICKETERS. HE WAS AT ALEXANDRA WHEN THEY WON THE INTERMEDIATE COMPETITION SOME YEARS AGO

    RE I prefer to believe in the fact that we were able to build awesome teams in the past as an indication that we can do so again.

    I AGREE BUT UNDER A SIMILAR NVIRONMENT THAT EXISTED WHICH BEGAN IN THE PACKER DAYS.
    GOOD PLAYERS
    GOOD PAY
    SERIOUS TRAINER LIKE DENIS WAIGHT
    DISCIPLINED PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS E.G SUCH AS THOSE WHO HAD/WERE PLAYING COUNTY CRICKET


  31. @ Sargeant March 7, 2015 at 4:45 PM #

    Well said, I couldn’t agree with you more.


  32. @ DeeWord March 7, 2015 at 11:15 PM #

    I hope your prediction is correct, but I’m a little nervous have put a small wager on W.I. reaching the final 8 (lol). I’m confident India will beat Ireland, but Pakistan beating Ireland is very dependent on which Pakistan team shows up.
    Can anyone tell me why Dwayne Smith is making the final 11. The guy looks totally out of shape physically and mentally.


  33. ”Whether the beleaguered but defiant incumbent Dave Cameron returned for a second term after yesterday’s presidential WICB election or Joel Garner became the first Test player since Wes Hall in 2003 to head the organisation is largely immaterial to the overdue revival of an entity once the pride of its passionate public and envy of the rest of the world.

    Over two decades, the game in the West Indies has plummeted from the paramount standing of teams led by Frank Worrell, Garry Sobers, Clive Lloyd and Viv Richards to virtual irrelevance, languishing in the lower reaches of the ICC table for Tests and ODIs.

    On the eve of the latest election, a loss to India left them tottering on the cusp of first-round elimination of the World Cup in Australia. When he took up office in March 2013, Cameron was the sixth president since the turn of the 21st century; there have been seven chief executives in that time.”

    The above is what Cozier has been saying.

    We guess that the idiot who was arguing the opposite will have more confidence in these words.
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/845733.html


  34. The secret to being a supremely successful cricketer…..But you have to be naturally talented.

    “someone who was likely to be in the mood for a party, even during a major match. “I rarely went to bed at a normal time because I am one of those people who can have four or five hours’ sleep and still wake up fresh,” he admitted. “It was well known I liked a drink after play. My philosophy was that life is for livingโ€ฆ I played hard and drank reasonably hard on occasions. I had to make sure those late nights could continue by maintaining a consistently high level of performance.”

  35. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    re Over two decades, the game in the West Indies has plummeted from the paramount standing of teams led by Frank Worrell, Garry Sobers, Clive Lloyd and Viv Richards to virtual irrelevance, languishing in the lower reaches of the ICC table for Tests and ODIs.
    TONY COZIER IS GETTING OLD SENILE AND EXAGGERATING
    TWO DECADES AGO IS 1995
    WEST INDIES CRICKET HA NOT GONE TO virtual irrelevance BECAUSE EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT WST INDIES CRICKET STILL

    TONY COZIER IS A GROANER AND MOANER WITH NO SOLUTIONS
    HE IS ALSO MOANING AND GROANING BECAUSE WICBC WONT LET HIM GET ANY WORK
    HE SAYS THE SAME THING EVERY WEEK—OVER AND OVER
    HE HAS NO VISION

    I REPEAT it is not true to say that With West Indies cricket has been on the bottom tier for the last 20 years

    1995 we lost to australia and drew with England in england
    in 96 we beat nz at home
    in 97we beat india at home
    in 98 we beat england at home but loss to south africa there
    in 99 we drew with australia at home
    in 2000 we beat zimbabwe at home
    and we can go on

    it is definitely not true to say that With West Indies cricket has been on the bottom tier for the last 20 years

    things are not good but the constant saying that we have been the worse thing for the last 20 years is false

    we are getting the same inconsistent results that we got before the glory days at a time when we had much better players

    I CAN THINK FOR MYSELF MORON
    I DONT HAVE TO GO BY THE WORD OF AN AGED SENILE RACIST LIKE TONY COZIER


  36. Every sports team has its ups and downs. West Indies cricket will survive.

    The one thing that will help is a restructured WICB with competent administrators.

    There is enough talent in the West Indies to produce competitive teams.


  37. It is not that simple Hants, to compete at the top tier level we have to have a strong domestic programme. Our coaching across the region just be consistent. Have a look at the standard of Leeward Island cricket, a region that produced Roberts, Richards, Ambrose and others not too long ago. The strength of our cricket is representative in the strength of regional cricket.

  38. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    RE Hants March 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM #
    Every sports team has its ups and downs. West Indies cricket will survive.

    The one thing that will help is a restructured WICB with competent administrators.

    There is enough talent in the West Indies to produce competitive teams.

    I AGREE WITH YOU 100% HANTS

    RE David March 8, 2015 at 2:48 PM #
    It is not that simple Hants, to compete at the top tier level we have to have a strong domestic programme.

    THIS IS UTOPIC IDEALISM WE WERE AT THE TOP WITHOUT A VERY SHORT PROGRAMME, BUT BARBADOS WA STRONG BECAUSE OF THE STRENGTH OF BARBADOS CRICKET …..JUST LIKE ENGLAND USED TO BE STRONG WHEN YORKSHIRE WAS STRONG

    FOR THE LAST DECADE OR SO ENGLAND HA BEEN COMPOSED OF SOUTH AFRICAN REJECTS

    RE Our coaching across the region just be consistent.
    PARTIALLY TRUE ONLY

    HOW MANY OF OUR GREAT CRICKETERS HAD COACHES?

    OUR GREATEST CRICKETERS PLAYED A LOT OF CRICKET AND PERFORMED CONSISTENTLY AS IS WELL RECORDED IN THE CRICINFO ARCHIVES

    RE The strength of our cricket is representative in the strength of regional cricket.

    CALL ME INSULAR BUT WHEN WE LOST NINE PLAYERS BANNED FOR LIFE, BARBADOS CRICKET WENT SOUTH…………AND WINDIES CRICKET WITH IT

    THE BAJAN FMM WORRELLL HAD A GREAT INFLUENCE ON JAMAICAN CRICKET
    THE BAJAN CL WALCOTT HAD GREAT INFLUENCE ON CRICKET IN GUYANA

  39. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    MOST OF OUR GREAT TEST PLAYERS SPENT MANY SEASONS PLAYING IN THE ENGLISH LEAGUES LEARNING HOW TO PLAY THE SWINGING BALL – THIS OPPORTUNITY IS LARGELY DENIED US TODAY

    AT OUR ZENITH MOST OF OUR TEAM PLAYED COUNTY CRICKET – THIS OPPORTUNITY IS LARGELY DENIED US TODAY

    THE WORLD MOCKS WINDIES WHILE PRETENDING TO MISS OUR FLAIR AND FERVOR IN THE PERIOD 76-95……….BUT IF THE TRUTH BE TOLD NONE OF THEM WANT TO SEE US DOMINATE LIKE WE DID THEN……..AND VERY THING IS BEING DONE TO PREVENT IT

    ADDED TO THAT IS WE HAVE DUMMIES IN CHARGE OF REGIONAL CRICKET

  40. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    AFTER THE WORLD CUP DROP THE NON PERFORMERS WHOLESALE AND BUILD A SIDE AROUND LOYAL YOUNGSTERS

    DONT SCHEDULE TOURS WITH COMPETING TOURNAMENTS LIKE THE IPL ETC SO THAT OUR PLAYERS CAN MAKE A LITTLE MONEY AND COMPETE WITH THE OTHER INTER NATIONAL PLAYERS

    PICK THE BEST PLAYERS EXCLUDING THE CURRENT NON PERORMING PRIMA DONNAS WHO ONLY SEMI PERFORM IN THE IPL AND OTHER PRO LEAGUES, AND WHO HAVE LITTLE TIME FOR OUR CRICKET


  41. @GP

    Are tours not scheduled based on the ICC future tours program?

  42. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    dONT KNOW ABOUT DAT DAVID


  43. @GP

    Have a read of this link.

    http://www.cricschedule.com/ftp.php


  44. @ GP,
    The day of the West Indies non-participation in Test match cricket is fast approaching. Not even you can build an argument as to why competent test playing nations would want to arrange a test series against an ever declining and a thoroughly uncompetitive cricketing region.

    Financially, the respective cricketing boards stand to lose vast sums of money against a team that can barely see out the third day of a test match. No advertiser would be prepared to sponsor an uncompetitive spectacle.

    There are many third tier cricketing powers such as Zimbabwe and Bangladesh who could provide us with a competitive game however these games would be unable to produce revenue for all three nations.

    GP, it is certain that we are waving Goodbye to the test arena; and at the same time welcoming in the more lucrative one day variation of the game of cricket. Vivre le cricket!


  45. @Exclaimer

    It appears to be the path the JA elected president of the WICB is going, franchise all the way.

    On Sunday, 8 March 2015, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    RE David March 8, 2015 at 3:37 PM #
    @GP

    Have a read of this link.

    http://www.cricschedule.com/ftp.php

    SEEMS LIKE I HAVE A LOT OF ENTERTAINMENT TO LOOK FORWARD TO ——JUST HOPE WILLOW CHANNEL IS CARRYING IT

  47. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    COPIED FROM CARRIBEAN CRICKET.COM
    by RAY FORD
    Commentary
    Sir Frank Worrell is rolling in his grave. The man who took West Indies cricket from being some sort of happy-go-lucky entertainers, to thinking team-oriented cricketers, would be shocked to hear the post-mortem’s findings on our loss to India. “Brainless”, said Michael Holding on his wrap-up show.

    Gentlemen, if a Tony Greig had used this term to describe our high-paid, gold-chained-ears-pierced-sun-shaded cricketers, we would be up in arms. But now that this term is used by one of us, to describe us, the time has now come to complete the wrecking-ball job. Gentlemen, let’s face it. This horse will not learn to sing. And this is how Brian Lara puts it.

    “Whatever the situation,” writes Lara, “it appears that our batters are contented to play the same way and individual brilliance seems more important than the best interest of the team”.

    The Ayatollah amusingly writes in his Supercat (see page 165), of those on his team-bus, encouraging him to leave those who weren’t on-time, to be on it. “Time to go, driver,” Lloyd wrote of those on board. “I remember Des Haynes and Jeff Dujon on their first tour of Australia both overslept in Sydney,” Lloyd recalls. “They got a big fine and weren’t happy. But I told them, ‘They do sell alarm clocks in this country’”.

    Chris Gayle (268), and Marlon Samuels (172), have between played 440 one-day internationals (ODI) for the West Indies. And so gentlemen, if with all this experience they are still wearing dunce-caps, then driver, it’s “time to go”. Black people do not any longer want to be embarrassed by having to wear the tag of, “full of brawn; short on brain”. Let’s try and restore the good name of the likes of Sir Frank Worrell โ€“ men who spent their lives trying to unshackle us from mental slavery.

    Michael Holding in his post mortem, even drew a comparison between MS Dhoni and Chris Gayle, (and I’m paraphrasing now): “India’s MS Dhoni is into winning games. We (the West Indies), are into playing big-shots”.

    The Jamaica Observer was even more stinging. Paraphrasing, “What was on display, reflects exactly why we are, where we are”.

    I am no Dave Cameron. And I don’t even know how to tweet. But “mout mek fi chat”. And chat I will.

    It’s time to move away from the ‘yam-licking’ business โ€“ especially at the top of the batting order. The ‘yam-licking’ business initially might bring a few cheers. But in the end, it brings a torrent of tears.

    And look who’s getting the plaudits? The 23 year old Jason Holder โ€“ the same Jason Holder whom we say is “too young to lead”.

    Time to go, driver. Time to leave behind, those who can’t learn.


  48. @GP

    The last part of the CC.com should be giving Lloyd some encouragement. Time to really rebuild.Jason played well against two of the stronger teams, there is potential let us hope it is not snuffed out.

    And look whoโ€™s getting the plaudits? The 23 year old Jason Holder โ€“ the same Jason Holder whom we say is โ€œtoo young to leadโ€.

    Time to go, driver. Time to leave behind, those who canโ€™t learn.

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