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Former Prime Minister Owen Arthur has weighed in with his opinion how the Michael Carrington matter must be resolved. He has suggested the Disciplinary Committee of the Bar Association apply its Code of Ethics to censure the Speaker of the House. Also he opined that the political stock of the Democratic Labour Party (DLP) government will be dented by the saga and the Prime Minister should also intervene. He does NOT agree with the position taken by the Opposition to boycott parliament, no surprise there. As far as he is concerned Carrington has broken no rules of the House therefore the Committee of Privileges will have no choice to return a ‘not guilty’ decision.

There is a lot to untangle from the Carrington matter which is moral, political and legal in makeup. What we know is that the Speaker of the House has been ordered by the High Court of Barbados to pay $200,000 plus to a wheelchair bound client; money he has withheld for years. All sane persons agree this is wrong morally, it is wrong legally based on the court order and the noise of public opinion ensures that it will have legal implications for a weak DLP government.

The Opposition has made a decision to boycott parliament because Carrington refuses to recuse himself from the Chair. His defence,  he has not broken any House rules. The Prime Minister, probably advised by constitutional lawyer Hal Gollop, head of the Employment Rights Tribunal and pal, agrees with Carrington’s position. It is obvious Carrington ‘hijacked’ the matter by anticipating the move by the Opposition and Deputy Speaker Mara Thompson was quick to refer the matter to the Committee of Privileges. Many believe the Opposition should have called for a no confidence motion forgetting the Opposition had no control over the matter being referred to Committee. It is true however that by asking for Carrington to recuse himself the Opposition appears to be allowing the matter to play out in Committee. Do we anticipate the Opposition will bring a motion of no confidence if and when the matter is heard by the Committee? What happens in the period until the ruling is made?

BU supports the action of the Opposition. It has a duty to represent the interest of Barbadians and if boycotting and holding public meetings to highlight the wrong perpetrated by Carrington on an 80 year old man is what is required to galvanize Bajans,  so be it. Let Arthur and Stuart defend the sacred rules of the House in the face of an obvious wrong. The highest court in the land must stand for justice in the eyes of the people it serves.

Barbados practices a flavour of Westminster government largely constructed on a bed of conventions. Elsewhere members of parliament have resigned from parliament for a lot less to avoid bringing shame and disgrace to the highest court in the land. Because the Stuart led government defends a two seat majority in the house he is forced, ALWAYS, to distil and act on all issues with only political considerations. This is not about Carrington and whether is has broken any House rules, it is about making sure the DLP can still govern.

The government should have a vested interest in ensuring the Speaker is supported by the Opposition. Continue to make laws in a parliament where the Opposition is absent yet tell the world what a wonderful system of democracy we have.

The inadequacy of our system of government is being exposed by this matter!

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264 responses to “The Michael Carrington Watch–Governance Crisis”

  1. ac Avatar
    ac

    The BU court reopened the Clico case, .A jury from among its peers was picked and in record breaking time the jury came back with a milestone decision of guilty of theft against defendant/ defendants without any further evedience
    The judge agrees and the sentencing phase is now being awaited despite the defendants lawyer for a motion to appeal

  2. David Avatar
    David

    Debate in the House has shown over the years to be ineffectual forcing members to vote across the divide. When the Sandiford No Confidence motion was successful voted what had to happen? MAM is doing the right thing. To borrow OSA’s words the House is poorakey so why bother. Good to see now he is an Independent he has had a change of heart the hypocrite.

  3. ac Avatar
    ac

    you know i really never keep tabs of the votes pro or con cast on BU, however the negative votes came to my attention by someone not too familiar with BU, Those who had cast those negative votes against my post a post dedicated as a farewell to SIR Harcourt Lewis must have the mind of a scorpion,what evil and vindictiveness can any one carry in there heart that rather not to cast a vote preferred to exhibit an ugly mind and a poisonous heart across the pages of BU,
    David BU you too should be ashamed of yourself for allowing such extreme show of disapproval against an honoured man be” put upon”the pages of BU IN as much as politics might be behind such ugliness there is a time and place for every thing . the time was not NOW as barbados memorialized a man who put country first against all else.

  4. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    Bushtea, Dee Word, Artaxerxes, et al.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat.

    You’ve made some very good points re. an alternative strategy to register dissapproval with the way the carrington ethics matter was deal with.

    But you are missing a key point, Carrington and the PM have dishonoured the house and Carrington should be treated as a leper in the house. He cannot be so treated if he still operates as speaker with no sanctions applied. Eventually, under your alternative strategy, everyone, not only his comrades in the house, will see him still as speaker and the effort to bring him and his leader to christian sense and ethics will fail abysmally. It will soon be business as usual. Your prescription of constant disruptions will become commonplace and eventually peter out and will not make a difference.

    A boycott that is consistent and says “We are taking the high ground in this matter and will not be led by a demonstrably flawed speaker, and now deputy speaker also, until they do the right thing and step down” is not only consistent with upholding the honour of the house but every time the house meets, whether the opposition is there or not, the Speaker and his Deputy and the Government benches (Including Owen Arthur) will be seen by thinking people as somehow condoning the tarnishing of the traditions of a once honourable house and being themselves as less than honourable. Indeed OSA’s mouthings on the Carrington issue tarnishes him with the same brush and is one more way in which MAM could highlight his downslide into irrelevance

    The downside of a boycott mainly resides in the Opposition not being present for important debates. But since, in any case, because of numbers, they would be unable to significantly influence the outcome of any such debate, they would have to ensure that the general public is given their side of any important matter being debated. Thus they would have to ensure that regular public meetings are held to actively put their side of the debates as well as have Streaming and greater use of Social media. In all this would be the fully encompassing message of Carrington’s and the PM’s lack of ethics and all the issues surrounding David Thompson, Mara Thompson, Leroy Parris and CLICO.

    Merely being disruptive and tokenly being against Carrington continuing as speaker would not, imho, be as effective as a boycott. Indeed, the alternative will quickly return us to the status quo.

    In addition, I don’t see the BLP as having the stomach to take on the Government at this time. However, even though they might not have fully strategized their current policy, such a strategy has a possibility of forcing Freundel’s hand by making it difficult for him to govern with the revelations that are sure to come from the CLICO matter allied with the presence of a flawed speaker leading the house. if Freundel does nothing and lets everyone see him and the DLP as being the most inept and immoral government that we have experienced in modern Barbados by continuing with a strategy that suports proven crookedness in the eyes of the general public he and they will not last for long.

    Mia’s boycott may cast her and the BLP, in spite of their flaws, as being in the best position to take over a deeply flawed Government in the eyes of the general public and OSA might just have played into MIa’s web.

  5. Baroness Brenda Browne Avatar
    Baroness Brenda Browne

    Make OSA -Speaker of the House THEN !

  6. John Jickum Avatar
    John Jickum

    Maybe, just maybe, some lawyers in Barbados will now take heed and try to be honest with their clients, and specifically, their clients’ money, but I doubt it. For the most part, those who enter law school intend to become millionaires by hook and/or crook immediately upon graduating, either by “practising” law or becoming members of parliament. Let us hope, thanks to Khamaal Collymore’s determination and success and Judge Cornelius’ bold decision, that ” the bar has been raised”and that the seeds for the restoration of some faith in our long-suffering judicial system have been sown.

  7. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    Looka ac…. don’t stop. How much you get paid yuh lil pitbull???

    😉

  8. David Avatar
    David

    By now lawyers must understand this is a different time, a new dispensation where reputations can be shot in a second with social media. Sub judice bullshit will not work in the world of social media.

  9. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    The Lawyers who frequent BU have been silent on this issue. I would like to know from any of the BU lawyers how long money should be kept in the client’s account after a “transaction is completed.

    I understand it may take years to probate a will, search for title etc. but after this is all done should the money not be paid to the client within no more than 10 business days?

    I understand that you can’t pay out money if there are outstanding contentious issues but allowing a lawyer to keep (and use ) a client’s money is wrong.

  10. David Avatar
    David

    @Hants

    The Lawyers who frequent BU have been silent on this issue. I would like to know from any of the BU lawyers how long money should be kept in the client’s account after a “transaction is completed.

    You noticed too?

  11. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    Ahhhhhhh, now we cooking wid gas.

    In the “battle” that brought down the wall of Jericho which Pacha and my learned Sage would know of, even though they dont believe it, in the parlance of 2015, not a bullet was fired in the primary engagement.

    This is first battle of the Israelites as they took the promised land, a Biblical “revolution” where no “physical” shot was fired.

    There is so much “ammunition” across the length and breath of Barbados that with the sustained assault on the battlements of the oppressors, by any “army” that with a strategic onslaught, citizens of Barbados DO NOT HAVE TO RESORT TO glocks and AK47s

    Civil disobedience and tactical incursions fashioned by pen, deed, critical disseminations to local regional and international agencies can and will have the desired effect of MAKING THEM ENGAGE FOR MEANINGFUL CHANGE, OR BRINGING THE WHOLE DAMN TING to a halt.

    This SUB JUDICE SHITE DUN WID, cause nobody is going to play by your rules anymore.

    CHANGE OR DIE!!

  12. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    PUDRYR

    Somehow, in your last post, I think you are agreeing with mine!!!!!

  13. islandgal246 Avatar
    islandgal246

    Popcorn, peanuts, Packa of mints fuh sale, tellmewhayuhwant. Sit down and watch the stage. CUT ACTION! This play will have many scenes and we are just at the beginning!

  14. John Jickum Avatar
    John Jickum

    We are living in an age when information is stored and retrieved electronically. In many countries one is able to view and obtain copies of documents within minutes after request is made ,e.g copies of birth certificates, death certificates, wills etc. The purchase/sale of property can be completed within a week. Lawyers are required to deposit clients’ funds in a “trust account” which is inspected periodically by the bar association/law society. At the slightest complaint or sign of impropriety, an examination of the lawyer’s trust account is conducted and if there is proof of any impropriety, the handling of the trust account is taken over by the bar association/ law society and the lawyer is put on probation. If there is proof of the misappropriation/theft of clients’ funds, he/she loses his/her licence to practice PERMANENTLY. Some argue that it is easier to regain one’s licence to practise,after serving time in prison following a conviction involving illegal drugs, prostitution and murder…just don’t touch your client’s money ! The bar association/law society will also make available to the public, any records of professional misconduct recorded against the lawyer. Something to think about as we seek to instil honesty and integrity in our lawyers !

  15. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    David; on the new posting in “Lawyers in the News”. I say bravo!

    But I think the picture of Michael Carrington with his expensive Wheels is arguably more apropos to the situation than the one you now have there.

  16. balance Avatar
    balance

    Observed there is a deafening and unusual silence from regular BU contributors about the purported High Court Action against MR Leroy Parris and the estate of the late Prime Minister David Thompson.

  17. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    Balance;

    I was thinking the same thing.
    Good to see you are still around!

  18. ac Avatar
    ac

    balance this much i will say the business of the court is to resolved ,it is about time the allegations assumptions attached to those involved have full clearance and disclosure, and the court is the right place where it should be away from the noise of( the) political, and biases of the noise makers and blp yardfowls who have nothing of real importance to add

  19. balance Avatar
    balance

    AC that is all you have to say given your consistent vilification of Mr Arthur and accusation of stealing a cheque for $75.000. personally made out to him.

  20. ac Avatar
    ac

    balance in addition OSA also had /have access to the highest Court in the land to clear his name if he choose to but has never ,therefore these allegations would remain in the public domain , his call not mine

  21. bdosmike Avatar
    bdosmike

    This cheque is but the tip of a massive iceberg that is around 100 times the size. The time to start some serious digging instead of playing at forensics has long passed. The trail will now be long and winding. But it is there for the following if only the Court will sanction it instead of the very narrow brief previously granted. Deal with the policyholders immediately and then recover the ‘lost’ millions.

  22. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    It is a serious indictment of top authorities (and therefore of all Barbados) that such a public, hideous crime could be perpetrated on thousands of Bajans by a set of KNOWN scamps…. and that so little action has been taken for so long…..

    AT LEAST 25 people should currently be in Dodds ..and all stolen funds should be pursued.

    Furthermore, that such petty actions are now being offered in response to intense and ongoing public concerns is an insult to our intelligence. That $3M should have been pursued upon completion of the initial report.

    Starting with Prime Ministers Arthur, Thompson, and “non-leper-friend” Stuart, who have betrayed the trust of Bajans by aiding and abetting criminal activity involved with CLICO.
    ..with poor regulation
    ..propping up criminality with public funds
    ..publicly siding with a crook against citizens and not taking any action.

    …to the various Attorneys General, Director of Public Prosecution, Commissioners of Police, supervisors of insurance and the leadership of the policy holders group – who have been much more focused on getting government to give them compensation than to seek JUSTICE.

    ALL A LOTTA SHIITE….

    ….and then wunna play that wunna can’t understand why every shiite falling apart bout here…?
    We can’t plant thorns and look to reap sweet potatoes…..

    …and we definitely CANNOT sow such institutionalized unrighteousness ..and expect to reap anything but debt, downgrades, depression, disgrace, devaluation …and death.

  23. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    Bushie; You’ve never made a truer statement than the above. We have all been found wanting and not in Barbados alone. The plasters that have hidden many sores are now in the initial stages of the process of violent removal by the nurse.

  24. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Bush Tea February 2, 2015 at 8:10 AM
    “and we definitely CANNOT sow such institutionalized unrighteousness ..and expect to reap anything but debt, downgrades, depression, disgrace, devaluation …and death”

    “ debt, downgrades, depression, disgrace, devaluation …and death “
    Bushie, your use of the ‘Alliteration’ technique is so ‘sweet’.
    Who taught you that at Cawmere? LoL!!

    But Bushie, tell us why your new found dear friend Owen Arthur is so self-righteously concerned about Mr. John Griffith’s financial dilemma. Just to have a dig at Mia but can’t extend similar compassion to poor Al Barrack? Would such a clarion call for justice be a torn in his morally confused side?

    What is OSA’s position on the CLICO fiasco and the perpetrators and facilitators of fraud both in and out of Parliament committed against vulnerable policyholders especially those holding pension annuities.
    Why isn’t he calling for Justice anymore? Because he doesn’t want to seen on the same side as Ms Mottley?
    Self-righteous indignation at the zenith of Hypocrisy!

  25. David Avatar
    David

    @Bush Tea

    To pick up where you left off, how can we seriously contemplate building a society that puts people first and we allow people issues to become so protracted? Is this the definition of lip service?

  26. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    millertheanunnaki February 2, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    “.. a torn in his morally confused side”
    Should be ‘a thorn’. Although his moral side has been badly “torn”.

  27. Artaxerxes Avatar
    Artaxerxes

    @ balance February 2, 2015 at 6:04 AM #

    “AC that is all you have to say given your consistent vilification of Mr Arthur and accusation of stealing a cheque for $75.000. personally made out to him.”

    Balance, the AC consortium is being very hypocritical by stating “the court is the right place where it should be away from the noise of( the) political, and biases of the noise makers and blp yardfowls who have nothing of real importance to add…….”

    Carrington’s case was in the public domain and those individuals like the ACs would have drawn their conclusions based on their bias toward supporting Carrington. They have been making a lot of generalized statements which are based on erroneously applying the specifics of a criminal suit to a civil suit, thereby confusing the issue.
    On the other hand, some people would have obviously used Carrington’s affair as an opportunity to score political points, while others had a valid concern about the way lawyers have been “duping” their clients over the years without being seriously reprimanded.

    This brings me to the case of Lisa Marshall. Information from her personal file was posted on social media by the DLP operative who goes by the pseudonym “Douglas”, in an attempt to “punish” her for going to the media and demanding the Transport Board for severance payment that was legally due to her.
    Lisa was given a memorandum informing her she had to account for sums of money the Board accused her of misappropriating. Unlike Carrington, THE COURT WAS NOT INVOLVED in Lisa’s case, since the Transport Board DID NOT file a CIVIL SUIT AGAINST HER. Yet, the DLP yard-fowls, with the Legion at the helm, sought to vilify Ms Marshall by calling her a thief. Take the below post as an example:

    “ac September 1, 2014 at 2:03 PM # : a thief demanding her fair share,,,,enough to make dog stomach sick,,but the BLP yardfowls seem to be O,k, with that not a picking teet about this criminality,,,,”

    Remember, Ms Marshall was accused of being a thief based on a memorandum she received and not by any other evidence that may have substantiated the charge. And by not pressing charges against Lisa, the TB was essentially saying she either accounted for the money or was innocent of the accusation.
    Unfortunately, the DLP sympathizers did not view it as morally wrong for them to present information from her personal file to BU, which more or less breached the code of confidentially that exist in employer/employee relationships. Nor were their concern about the implications as a result their actions, which may have jeopardized Lisa from gaining employment.

    How? The same way the demons expressed their concern that people are wrongly casting aspirations on Carrington character WITHOUT having the FACTS of his case, [and by also suggesting that Barbados has lost investor confidence due to “negative comments” on BU about this DLP administration], after reading “Douglas;” post on Lisa, potential employers may conclude [as the Legion did] that, without FACTS, the lady is a thief and would not want to employ her. None of this mattered, their only concern was to protect the DLP.

    Now a similar action has been taken against Carrington [with the Thompsons joining the fray], the Legion of demons are crying foul.

  28. bdosmike Avatar
    bdosmike

    @ Bush Tea, I agree with almost everything you say with such eloquence.

    However, I must pick you up on your statement that “…the leadership of the policy holders group – who have been much more focused on getting government to give them compensation than to seek JUSTICE.”

    Please be aware that since January 2013 BIPA has been in the Supreme Court suing Parris, Duprey, the directors and Officers of CLICO, the Supervisor of Insurance (now FSC) and others. As you can imagine, this is, and has been an expensive and long drawn out affair which is still very much active.

    In view of the time factor and the expense, BIPA has always prioritised any action which would directly result in the policyholders getting back their money as soon as possible. It is not ‘compensation’ that is sought, it is their money back.

    The Judicial Manager was severley restricted in the action he could take in his forensic reports to date. Hopefully now, the Court will widen the brief so that a great deal more than $3.3m can be tracked, investigated and if proven to have been misappropriated, recovered. Then justice will have been done and seen to be done, as it should have been ‘ever since’.

    In the meantime, BIPA is supporting and co-operating with the current effort to restructure CLICO and continues to attend Court for all relevant hearing and proceedings on behalf of its members.

  29. ac Avatar
    ac

    Bushshite and what about your main boy Caswell is he exempt from your list of ” immoral men? doesn,t he have similar immoral issues that have dogged him over the years .Yet you bushshite have the nerve to be presenting him as a person with leadership and ethical qualities

  30. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ bdosmike February 2, 2015 at 9:38 AM
    “Please be aware that since January 2013 BIPA has been in the Supreme Court suing Parris, Duprey, the directors and Officers of CLICO, the Supervisor of Insurance (now FSC) and others. As you can imagine, this is, and has been an expensive and long drawn out affair which is still very much active.”

    So what does BIPA going to achieve by this action that should have been undertaken since the collapse of CLICO and was duly advised back then to purse such a course of action?

    Don’t you think the same way crooks like Parris have pals in the highest court of the Land he and the other collaborators to that massive swindle of policyholders also have “true” friends in other places passing off as places of law enforcement and justice?

    There is clear evidence established by professional auditors that serious financial malfeasance took place in the management of CLICO sufficient to attract a criminal investigation. Do you really feel such a criminal investigation would take place in Barbados given the incestuously corrupt relationships between public officials and certain business moguls? Dale Marshall would become Attorney General of the USA before such journey on the road of justice is started.

    Who are the lawyers representing BIPA?
    Do you really feel the legal fraternity in Barbados would break ranks to satisfy the cries of justice from the CLICO policyholders especially the ‘broken’ pensioners?

    Who is currently paying the fees of JM? Why do you think he is ‘keen’ to go after the recovery of that $3.3 million. Do you think that is to pay the CLICO pensioners that are now totally out to sea?

  31. ac Avatar
    ac

    arterexes it seems as if you have been deeply wounded in the heart by those scurrilous allegations connected to Lisa. but i will tell u what “if””if” lisa can/or would/should present evedience to the contrary showing that she was in no way shape or form actively associated to those allegations
    ac would put a full page apology in any of the news outlets via tv or radio or print
    The evedience that connects Lisa to those allegations were not drawn out of a rabbitd hat or thin air and by virtue of not adressing she has left the door wide open for further public scrutiny and long term damage to her reputation .

  32. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    ac;

    You just don’t get it!

    The material point, in addition to the one that Artaxerxes was making, is that it is really scraping the barrel of immorality for a known operative of a presumably society oriented political party to use an unproven allegation in a confidential personal file to attack a lay person for having the temerity to protest their being laid off from work while new workers are retained.

    It is just one other instance which concretizes the notion that the DLP and most of its operatives are immoral to the bone.

  33. Artaxerxes Avatar
    Artaxerxes

    are-we-there-yet February 2, 2015 at 11:34 AM #

    AWTY, my point exactly. Those idiots parading on BU as AC just don’t understand what exactly is the fundamental issue here. By Lisa “not addressing she has left the door wide open for further public scrutiny and long term damage to her reputation”, a similar inference can be applied to Carrington’s case.

    Carrington was sued for with-holding his client’s funds. Therefore, based on the fact that the plaintiff won the case, Carrington failed in his bid to convince the court if he had reason to with-hold such funds. Therefore, it would be reasonable for anyone to logically conclude that Carrington deliberately with-held Griffiths funds, with an intention of permanently depriving him.

    Hence, “if Carrington can/or would/should present evidence to the contrary showing that he was in no way shape or form actively associated to those allegations”, And “by virtue of not addressing he has left the door wide open for further public scrutiny and long term damage to his reputation.”

    It is blatantly clear that the consortium, by continuing to address this issue, has demonstrated they have the symptoms associated with “foot in the mouth” disease.

  34. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ bdsmike
    Please be aware that since January 2013 BIPA has been in the Supreme Court suing Parris, Duprey, the directors and Officers of CLICO, the Supervisor of Insurance (now FSC) and others. As you can imagine, this is, and has been an expensive and long drawn out affair which is still very much active.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Bushie is aware of these efforts.
    However when one considers the extent of financial damage done DIRECTLY to members of this group, including widows, pensioners, retirees and other poor and helpless citizens, ….
    …..HOW THE HELL DO YOU ALL NOT START A DAMN RIOT?
    …. HOW DOES BIPA COME OVER AS SO CALM AND ACCOMMODATING TO THESE DAMN CROOKS?

    ….shiite man…at least pelt some rocks on the chief crook’s palace in st george nuh!!

    Wunna ever heard of RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION?

    …skin over the damn money-changers’ tables in the Barbados shiite temple nuh….!!

    Steupsss…. wuh if wunna so cool …what you expect from those like Bushie who REFUSED to put a cent with such an obvious crook and idiot in the first place…. despite the high interest rate and the bushman’s high liquidity at the time….

    The bottom line for BIPA should be JUSTICE… instead of trying not to offend anyone in the hope that somehow the crooks will really use taxpayers money to replace the stolen funds….

    @ AC
    HAUL….

  35. Prodigal Son Avatar
    Prodigal Son

    @ Are-we-there-yet and Artaxerxes,

    The legion of ac’s do not or would never understand what sensible people are saying on this Lisa Marshall issue.

    “Ba Idiot ac”, the difference is that you nasty dems posted details from a government worker’s personal file which is a breach of all morality and ethics. But there again you dems have none. She was never taken to court on the matter…………….

    Whereas Michael Carrington, a senior dem was taken to court and a high court judge ordered him to repay one of his clients over $200,000 which he withheld from his client.

    To ask you to understand this is like asking you to climb Mt Everest. What a jackass you all are!

    We look forward to hear your excuses on the latest expose on Mara and her beloved husband’s involvement with the 3.333 million dollars belonging to CLICO which she allegedly helped laundered! Bloody hypocrites!

    This is after he ran a campaign based on a bold faced lie…………….I will not lie, cheat or steal………..knowing all the while that he was a blasted lying thief!

  36. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ bdsmike
    ….you don’t want to hear what Bushie thinks of the Barbados Court system ..or of the political system …which are the two main courses of redress that your group seems to be pursuing….

    One NEVER enters a battle on the enemy’s terms and/or using THEIR weapons of choice…..

  37. ac Avatar
    ac

    AWTY

    well excuse me who made you an authority on all things moral..Sir again what are your objections.?Sir i submit to you that for the past several weekes the BU court has allowed all types of allegations and evedience to be pursued and go unchallenged.Now sir and speaking on my behalf you have accused me of a lack of understanding by use of the same. method that have been allowed to your side asproof wherby the person in question has been accused
    In the interest of Fairness i am asking theBU judge to disallow tactics which would hinder my cause and seem to be unfair.
    in this case what is good for the goose is good for the gander

  38. bdosmike Avatar
    bdosmike

    @ Miller: “So what does BIPA going to achieve by this action that should have been undertaken since the collapse of CLICO and was duly advised back then to purse such a course of action?”

    We would hope to achieve what should have been undertaken since the collapse of CLICO and was duly advised back then to pursue such a course of action!!

    Well nobody else was doing it…..

  39. Artaxerxes Avatar
    Artaxerxes

    “In the interest of Fairness i am asking the BU judge to disallow tactics which would hinder my cause and seem to be unfair.”

    “ac August 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM # : are -we there –yet: i am thinking u full of sh,,t ,,apology ,,,u got to be dam starked crazy,, have u been looking at that woman rap sheet,,and yuh think somebody owes her an apology,,,,,as a matter of fact she owes the taxpayers more than an apology ,,the woman is a screw ball who been living off the taxpayers money,,,”

    “ac August 30, 2014 at 2:08 PM #: who said the law is an ass..we have minister who are law breakers and employees running buck shotover the system and the law says those kind of illegalties that goes against of what is right should be kept secretly under cover..the laws is an ass..protecting evil and villifying those who ask why…”

    “ac September 1, 2014 at 10:29 PM #: i got some dirt to throw pun wunna low life belly aching scalliwags who believe that employees thieving taxpayers money should not be exposed,,,what nerve,,,,,”

    When you were on BU assassinating Lisa Marshall’s character, did you not stop to think she too wanted a fair chance. Your call for “fairness” is based only on the fact that Michael Carrington is a member of the DLP.

  40. Gabriel Avatar
    Gabriel

    Clico got $17billion in the bank in Trinidad according to Lawrence Maharaj in the Express newspaper recently,the proceeds of sales of assets.barbados policyholders should engage Maharaj to plead their case.Maharaj can be admitted to the bar in Barbados.It will be a ’cause celebre’ of massive proportions.Afro Raymond and Mariano Browne can aid Tariq Khan in bringing Ramesh on board.Parris will probably do the Hara Kiri and Mara might follow along with all the fatted calf suckers who were at the trough swilling the sway.(apologies to Lennie)

  41. bdosmike Avatar
    bdosmike

    @ Bush Tea: “HOW THE HELL DO YOU ALL NOT START A DAMN RIOT?”

    Well, let’s start with the fact that despite there having been around 25,000 CLICO policies when BIPA started in 2011, a meagre 300 people have joined BIPA (and mostly remained faithful). So what about the rest, you would be expected to ask (BIPA often does). The list of reasons (excuses?) is endless; fear, embarrassment, hopelessness, submissiveness, apathy, lack of faith that anything can be done, let others do it for me, I in’t into dat etc, etc…..

    There are a handful who would love to ‘take to the streets’. But cast your mind back to when the entire country supposedly was ‘up in arms’ at the SWT, and a mere 3,000 ‘took to the streets’. Then look at the impact that made on the Government…. and the PM in particular….

    If you can’t get 20,000 people to take to the streets on a national matter, how many you think you’ll get on something affecting no more than that number in total?

    Except of course, it is way more than that number who are affected. Families, dependents, businesses losing out on custom, $800m less ‘in circulation’ in the economy.

    “HOW DOES BIPA COME OVER AS SO CALM?”

    Probably because screaming and shouting in Barbados gets you nowhere except a reputation for being a pain in the ass. I am pretty sure some on here would agree with that. BIPA is constantly in contact with the parties concerned and exchanges missives and has meetings with those parties in an attempt to move things forward. In other words, they work quietly behind the scenes and only speak when they have something to say. They are ‘in league’ with no-one except those who show the greatest likelihood of a positive outcome for policyholders, and are probably the only small and dedicated group to have stayed the course, and are still there on the ‘front line’. Their legal representative is extremely loyal, bows to no-one and works within the system to the best of his ability, which we acknowledge is not easy.

  42. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    Bush Tea February 2, 2015 at 12:29 PM #

    …..HOW THE HELL DO YOU ALL NOT START A DAMN RIOT?
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………
    With the QEH running out of supplies almost weekly, no Bajan is eager to facilitate or test Ronald Jones famous problem solving theory.

  43. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    BdosMike;

    One good thing about Bushie’s hyperbole is that it gave you the opportunity to make a well reasoned, sensible response, with facts that I suspect many of us did not know.

    Keep on trucking!

  44. Artaxerxes Avatar
    Artaxerxes

    @ are-we-there-yet February 2, 2015 at 5:18 PM #

    “One good thing about Bushie’s hyperbole is that it gave you the opportunity to make a well reasoned, sensible response, with facts that I suspect many of us did not know. Keep on trucking!”

    I agree with you, AWTY.

  45. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ bdosmike February 2, 2015 at 4:46 PM
    “Their legal representative is extremely loyal, bows to no-one and works within the system to the best of his ability, which we acknowledge is not easy.”

    OK Bajan Joan of Arc, I am glad you have the faith to put your trust in another ‘legal’ charlatan out to extract every millilitre of financial blood from a cadaver called CLICO. We have a question for you, though.

    We might have missed it but in your law suit against those whom you feel have contributed through deliberate or professional negligence to the CLICO highway robbery have you included the external Auditors (PWC) as important defendants?

    Don’t you think that these so-called competent public accountants should have been more proficient in their fiduciary duty while carrying out their paid professional responsibilities before expressing a true and fair view on CLICO’s financial performance and health? Don’t you know how many persons, including the industry regulators, relied on the opinion of the auditors?

    So please tell us- since you seem to be an insider- have BIPA “enjoined” the Auditors in the law suit you stupidly believe would bring justice to the aggrieved CLICO policy holders and pensioners?

  46. ac Avatar
    ac

    prodigal don.t worry about what ac understand and does not,, however what ac does understand is the blp malcontents would prefer to keep their shite all covered up and when exposed call out the ethical and moral police to execute search warrants implement seizures and arrest and confiscates all relevant material , Also include on their list is the protection of their villian.in addition demanding that the executor or the person or person providing the evedience is put under house or sent to jail
    the fact is that when you guys are outwitted and outsmart your only defense is to vilify
    in the case/issue where this comment should be applied the person at the heart of this matter put self in the spotlight misled again by blp yardfowl who did not have the god given common sense to alert her that she was in no moral position to condemn when many of her actions where below the passing grade,

  47. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    David

    I will give you a hypothetical situation, and I must add that even though it might have some characteristics or bear some resemblance of known events, I am not referring to any particular person.

    An old person, who is not in very good health, hires a lawyer to deal with a matter where that old person would receive substantial funds at the end of the process. The lawyer received the money for his client but pretends that the money has not be paid. Each time the client asks about the money, the lawyer would say something like, you know these things take time or that the other side is playing the fool.

    Next thing you know, the old client goes to meet his maker and when the family of the deceased checks with the lawyer, they are told that the money was paid over to the deceased some time ago. The lawyer would then produce a receipt which with a signature that looks like it was written by the trembling hand of an old person.

    The family would have no proof and would have to take the word of the lying, thieving and now rich scoundrel.

    Again, let me reiterate that any similarities to any other set of circumstances is purely coincidental.

    >

  48. bdosmike Avatar
    bdosmike

    @ Miller, “So please tell us- since you seem to be an insider- have BIPA “enjoined” the Auditors in the law suit you stupidly believe would bring justice to the aggrieved CLICO policy holders and pensioners?”

    Yes, of course we did! You think WE are stupid?

  49. Artaxerxes Avatar
    Artaxerxes

    Artaxerxes February 1, 2015 at 2:05 PM #

    @ Simple Simon February 1, 2015 at 12:48 PM #
    “Does Leroy Parris still enjoy a “not a leper, but my friend” relationship our Prime Minister Freundel Stuart. Will our Prime Minister now advise his friend Leroy to “get a lawyer”……”

    “I don’t think Froon would recommend Richard Byer, because his fees are a bit too high, so he may recommend his buddy, Hal Gollop.”

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I guess my response to Simple Simon was correct. A few minutes ago on CBC TV evening news, I saw that Hal Gollop is actually representing Leroy Parris.

    Froon seems to be protecting his “non-leper” friend.

  50. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Mr. Caswell Franklyn

    It is precisely for this reason that the time has come to migrate all these matters of attorney management of physical funds and or other real property to a virtual register where like the Federal Reserve ALL INTERBANK TRANSACTIONS ARE RECORDED but the variant being that neither the bank initiating the financial transfer nor the receiving bank, in both cases the equivalent of lawyers for either party, shall hold the monies!!!!!

    All other procedures, inclusive of legal fees shall be effected by the authorized Legal Escrow Facilitation Unit.

    Both the client and the teiffing lawyers of both parties can see all of the financial transactions in their cuntputer but only de LEFU can “touch” de money

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