The Democratic Labour Party (DLP) which the late Right Excellent Errol Barrow built remembers and promote his legacy on Errol Barrow Day.
Democratic Labour Party Celebrates Errol Barrow’s Legacy
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How so ,no free UWI? what a start
The point was made that what defined Barrow and the DLP (education) has now been dismantled, true?
On 21 January 2014 12:16, Barbados Underground
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Someone has to pay for “free”, it’s not delivered at no cost.
Rain falls free on everyone’s property but they still have to pay water bills.
Question is what and where is the pay back from free.
Yes today WE the supporters of the DLP celebrate the many dreams that have been made possible because of the RT honourable ERROL BARROW..His preferance in makingsure that an educatedl people are the building blocks of a secure country was not forgotten. even as our country fight the harshest economic climate the DLP govt will continue to make sure that the dreams and desires of our founding father, that of educating our people will remain intact.
@ ac
You missed off the last part, “while bankrupting the country in the process”.
Errol Barrow may have been a champion of free education but he was also a realist who believed in the country living within its means.
Tertiary education has mushroomed and it should not be taken for granted that it should always be free to all. It is not undermining Errol Barrow’s legacy to say that – times have changed.
By the way, what happened to the introduction of tuition fees at UWI? It’s all gone very quiet since Fumble said he was open to discussions on alternatives. Did he win, or did the Monster of Finance?
I’ve had the privilege of seeing the man in the flesh, where back in the 1980’s. As a matter of fact, he used to frequent the then Home Center where I used to worked as a teenager. Good God, I really missed the Barbados of old.
Please don’t use the name Errol Barrow and the present crop of DLP Ministers name in the same breath…it’s sacrilgious.
ac….if i did not have respect for Mr Barrow, I would tell you something, but will save it for another time.
@David
Is this going to be another exercise in verbal diarrhea? Another TALK SHOP? Without any real on the ground SOLUTIONS!
EWB died without having the “LUXURY” (or as is seen now – the necessity) of carving out a future “DEVELOPMENTAL VISION” for Barbados because of the pressures in the Party; enemies within the government and “DARK” powerful “COLONIAL” forces which certainly did not appreciate EWB gravitas, brilliance and unique individuality!
On the EVE (no pun intended) of EWB birthday, why are our modern politicians still eating from the antiquated “TREE” of the knowledge of good & evil? Flirting with people lives – cumfy in bed with the DEVIL, all the while positing in the eyes of the masses a pseudo-demeanor of doing the RIGHT thing!
Are our people (especially our leaders) still so DEAF, DUMB & BLIND that they do not realize that if you keep doing the same ‘ole, same ‘ole but expecting a different result, that in itself is a recipe for all the MADNESS currently being experienced amongst the political classes!
We need a CLEAR VISION for the future but most importantly, there must be an END to financial oppression from the 1% in BARBADOS; an end to all the CORRUPTION in gov’t, in the economic framework and amongst those who wield social power yet ABUSE their privileges at the EXPENSE of the POOR & the voiceless!
As we sit idly by, watching the WORLD go to HELL in a hand basket – let us spare a thought for all those who are suffering WAR & UNREST (Syria, Kiev et al) and may we be reminded that no NATION on the earth is EXEMPT from what is coming down the road! Barbados more so given the climate of UNREST, looming POVERTY and a form of dissatisfaction not seen since the 1930’scivil strife!
TIME TO AWAKEN FROM THE DEEP WINTER-LIKE SLUMBER GUYS!
The DLP died with Errol Walton’Dipper’Barrow on 1st June 1987.Ever since that date the DEMS have known no other way than to visit upon the gentle folk of Barbados, TORMENT.
And so,its fitting to write on his epitaph Errol W ‘Dipper Barrow 1920-1987
Here lies a man who sowed his pearls among swine.RIT.
Gabriel I agree with you. If Barrow was to come back now from the dead, He will drop dead again for what is happening to his party & the people of Barbados
At least the DLP have had a hero who fought for the common folks in Barbados. It is quite unfortunate for the BLP, because we can’t actually say the same for them… lol…
Sir Grantley Herbert Adams setted the current trend for the BLP….. He represented the interest of the planters – class, against the interest of the common- folks in Barbados. Which is still in existence in our present day and time but under a different disgusted….!!!!
the just asking above is not me JUST ASKING
People always trying to take this name . I dont know why but I am not moved by that kind of flattery.
THE DEMOCRATIC LABOUR PARTY BROKE AWAY FROM ITS POLITICAL MOORINGS WHEN IT REPUDIATED ITS PHILOSOPHY OF FREE EDUCATION
DAMN THE DLP ON THE DIPPER’S BIRTHDAY
BUT THE BARBADOS LABOUR PARTY HAS BEEN A BETTER GOVERNING PARTY THAN THE DEMOCRATIC LABOUR PARTY.
THE DEMOCRATIC LABOUR PARTY IS NOW THE WORST POLITICAL PARTY EVER
WITH THE WORST PRIME MINISTER
THE WORST MINISTER OF FINANCE
THE WORST CABINET AND THE WORST RECORD.
A PARTY THAT BROKE THE LAW IN 2008 BY ERECTING ILLEGAL BILLBOARDS
AND WON AN ELECTION BASED ON LIES AND DECEPTION
@ David
We were thinking all the time that Dipper was a Bajan and therefore a national celebration was required. We didn’t realize that is was to be ONLY the DLP celebrating. This hideous culture about a political duopoly is so steep that even in death Dipper is still a Dee. What a sad State of affairs!
His Excellancy EWB ..sure nuff if was alive today would have had some not so pleasant words to say to the BLP …..Sure if EWB was a live today he would have continued to put this country and the peoples interest first instead of foreign interst making sure we relieve ourselves of the strangelhold and vice grip of economic madness. ..Sure nuff if the Great EWB was alive today..we would see a future with a built in attutde towards progess and an econmy capable of weathering any economic storm
So why can’t the present PM and DLP Ministers sure nuff do today what Barrow would have still been able to do at 90 years old? who or what is stopping them?
Why would they need a 90 year old man to do it for them??
So this PM and these ministers of the DLP would expect Barrow to do it for them while they collect their huge salaries?
assc…..do you sure nuff listen to your self?
@Pacha
The DLP is a legit member of civil society which has a vested interest.
@ David
But if you want to talk about nationhood, with Dipper being its father, should there not be a language to describe such a phenomenon?Should Barrow, if he is what the nation says he is, not be removed from the rank political narrative that is as divisive as ever? We are not sure that there is any so civil about politics but if you are right where is the space beyond party. If Bajans believe that Barrow was who people say he was the national character of that personage should always eclipse party affiliation.
@Pacha
This is true BUT we are not there yet.
On 21 January 2014 19:01, Barbados Underground
@ David
You are walking about talking about ‘father of the nation’ and saying you are near 50 years old and still not there yet. Well, well, then you may never get there then.
@Pacha
One this crisis has tossed up is that we are politically polarized. You think the opposite would have been the case.
On 21 January 2014 19:23, Barbados Underground
@ David
So in short, no DLP should be doing any celebration for Dipper because he no longer rightly belongs to the DLP. He should belong to what you call a nation.
Don’t agree Pacha.The DLP can celebrate his legacy as the political party he founded.
On 21 January 2014 19:26, Barbados Underground
With respect to Mr Barrow, the DLP was always the worst political party that ran Barbados as from 1961 to now
Barrow told the common folks what their wanted to hear to keep them happy and that is the hideous culture of the DLP
from the start, he made St. John inter a garrison to keep him in the house , look at the development of St J . Had not for the freehold tenantry act of the BLP what will St .J be like for the poor people housings
The BLP has done more for poor people in Barbados than DLP, please look at who building of the QEH, Deep water harbour, Highways, New Courts,
Government Headquarters, and many good things for the people,yes the DLP under
EWB give us so call free education that we paid for but look how we are today ,the suffering under the same DLP , and the ironic is a D L P member Sir Roy of the BWU is telling us that some of the layoffs will end up in prison ,the same prison that was built under the BLP
Mark Fenty | January 21, 2014 at 12:42 PM |
Sir Grantley Herbert Adams setted the current trend for the BLP….. He represented the interest of the planters – class, against the interest of the common- folks in Barbados. Which is still in existence in our present day and time but under a different disgusted….!!!!
Exemplified in today’s newspapers with the breaking of sod for the pie in the sky “new” SSA headquarters.
@ ac
Can you tell the blog, how well you knew EWB ?
U knew the BLP yardfowls ought not to crticise EWB today or any Day for that matter.. Look what the BLP has turned itself into a National laughing stock. inthirty or so years when history record the legacy of OSA history not gonna forget his stellar role in decapitating the only FEMALE that Barbados might have to bethe nations first female PM….look high wind know where old house live and Barow might be dead but his legacy is one that the past leadership of the BLP only wish they could duplicate.
Political hacks who come in here to fanatically represent their respective political parties, whether its DLP or BLP,should first call the Met Office and ascertain in which direction the wind is blowing, before spitting up into the air.
Given the present conditions and the trajectory on which Barbados is heading, do the majority of young Barbadians have a bright future in this country? Does the response of young Barbadians to the recent Canadian job fair tell us something? If as of a result of large scale retrenchment in the public sector, crime increases,how will tourism fare in Barbados?
@ watchman i said enuff, talk enuff if u don;t like ..too bad,,,,,God BLESS EWB for all his efforts in putting country FIRST,,,,,,another first was fighting for our independence in spite of the naysayers and doom and gloomers of the BLP who in that era was wishing and hoping for the same things to happen that is to see barbados fail just because EWB wanted to rid Bajans and Barbados from the economic chains of colonialism and handing the country right back to the rightful owners,, Too bad he is not alive today to see how in some 14years Barbados was sold out under BLP reign with OSA at the helm to foreign investors, and now in economic hard times they have headed for greener pastures after sucking off the nipples of the fatted calf leaving it bony and dry ..,sure nuff EWB must be rolling in his grave,,,,
@ ac
EWB legacy is in education, but look at the people that got the education like yourself
Can’t face the truth about anything,
talk about yardfowl
but u now what! out of every dark cloud is a silver lining..had not for EWB vision of having an educated people, No country would as much as take a look furthermore have any kind of interest in resourcing our people for employment,,,,,,God bless EWB for having the vision of education for it is with this education and in these hard economic times a window of opportunity has opened whereby our people can avail themselves for employment outside of Barbados , without such an opening and good education being a plus , many might be left hanging in the dark with no other options to turn to. something EWB Can be proud of,
Ping Pong said
“Does the response of young Barbadians to the recent Canadian job fair tell us something?”
DD says:
Does the response to the job fair of Minister Byer-Sukoo saying that she is going to arrange to get training for Barbadians so they will qualify for jobs as tradesmen in the Canadian oil sands tell us something?
With qualified Canadian tradesmen from across the country flooding into oil sands territory for the high paying trades jobs, the only jobs the Barbadians will be getting are jobs making sandwiches at Subway.
But I guess a Subway job beats no job.
@Ping Pong
Political parties must evolve to serve the markets in which they serve. The growing detachment disengagement by the electorate (reaching up to 40%) is a tell tale sign both parties have loss relevance. Attend a political meeting of any of the parties and it can be described as an over 60s club.
On 21 January 2014 23:03, Barbados Underground
@ ac
the DLP that Barrow formed is not the DLP of today. it is far removed from what Barrow formed all those years ago. in fact the DLP of today has totally shattered what Barrow fought for. he went all out to give us free education because he envisaged a Barbados, that would be ‘satellites of none’. he made that famous ‘Mirror Image” speech but look at Barbados since 2008. look at how our standard of living has gone right back to the days of what i was told of the 60s. look how. free education was for the poor especially, money has always been put aside for education, but where is it now? the present day DLP should have a name change because they certainly do not represent what Errol Barrow has fought for.
Erskine Sandiford had to ask the question about 2 weeks ago, ‘how did we get here again?’ that question of bewilderment shows that he knew that the state of our economy has absolutely NOTHING to do with the worldwide recession, or the goings on of some other country. he knew that Barbados is in the state it is in today because of its leader and extremely poor management of the economy.
Freundel Struart and Erskine Sandiford should NEVER be compared. Sandiford is a very intelligent man, look at the books he has written, Sandiford has admitted that the Democratic Labour Party placed education at the centre of its human resource development. Not the DLP of today however. He believed that the individual was the key factor in the growth and development of the country. Stuart has not written one book, has NEVER passed on his knowledge, etc. He CANNOT and will NEVER be equal to Errol Barrow nor Erskine Sandiford.
everything in this little island has to be political, one cannot posit a view etc without some idiot accusing them of being a political pimp, i do not give a rat’s ass about any political party but i do admire some of the members of those parties
neither is the politics same today as it was minions of years ago, that does not necessarily mean that EWB legacy should be overlooked and contained to a mentality driven by those with a political axe to grind ,grinding it in the heart of what EWB stood for in a pretentious and self serving manner……
Smooth Chocolate
SANDI LIKE BARROW AND TOM WAS A BARBADOS SCHOLAR
And on this day, Errol Barrow , this is how we choose to remember the father of our nation. Culloden Farm the official home of the first Prime Minister of Barbados, reduced a rusty ,unkempt , ramshackled ruin, recently set alight , more likely by parrows taking up residence there. What a crying shame! And we get on our high horses shouting about Heritage. In fact while I was about to take these photos, I overheard two young men around 25 years of age wondering what this old building was, and one answered ,after seeing a sign on another building, that it it must have been the Welfare Building.
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A tribute to the Dipper
“Now what has bothered me in this society is that every time after elections, people expect certain things to take place….we know that even on polling day, people were given envelopes with $100 bills in them.
If there are corrupt ministers in Barbados tonight, you have made them corrupt. ”
“When a government steals from people in the way of consumption taxes
then that government not only has contempt for you, but what is most unfortunate, you have contempt for yourself, because you allow them to do it.”
“But there is another small country…that would be…the country of Singapore. They have developed an education system but they are teaching people things that are relevant to the 21st century. They are in the advance of the information age.”
“They have a desire to move their country forward by their own devices. They are not waiting for anybody to come and give them handouts.”
27 1/2 years ago and sounding damned relevant to today.
In the words of Sir Lloyd, “how did we get back here?”
Observing.
Sandy Question:”How did we get back here?”
Answer: The Democratic Labour Party of which you are a Fatted Calf participant sent out to pasture in China,drawing ambassador salary with all the free perks plus your Prime Ministerial pension plus all the other freenesses that come your way.All add up to how wunna bring we back here!
@ Observing
How?
“Familiarity breeds contempt.”
We enjoyed so many brilliant leaders in our early years that we began to operate as thought any Tom Owen and Freundel could do the job….
Instead of demanding that our VERY BEST and BRIGHTEST take on the roles of leadership, we listen to brass bowls talking shiite about gender equality, about graduates from comprehensive schools and about generally second rate jokers….filling vital leadership positions….
Even among our Barbados Scholars there is only a small sub-set with the capability to successfully manage this place in these chaotic times….far less people like the jokers we have in Parliament…
Sandals Indeed!!!!
No wonder we are going backwards….
Barbados Scholars….how did they assist Barbados,were they constrained,was scholarship in the along the lines of the slave masters thinking????
uh see how wunna BLP yardfowls like to draw blood and when others draw wunna blood in return, wunna kick up a big stink like OSA… today is the celebration of the life and times of EWB and his birthday and all the bLP yardfowls can do is talk nuff yarfowlism and trash about the current govt,,,all which nuttin EWB has any control over,,,,,,Dam EWB was a great citizen of his time and made several inroads in helping barbados to strive for self determination ,not his fault if the past leaders took another path which has led us in a direction subjecting us to servitude with cup in hand..
@ Vincent
You may find this challenging, but Barbados Scholars tend to be INTELLIGENT.
That means that they tend to have the capacity to understand complex issues. It means that when other brass bowls are still trying to grasp the fact that one and one does not always add up to two, THEY actually GET issues like productivity, Exchange rates, and national pride.
Sandiford stood against 90% of Bajan jokers and cut salaries by 8% …like um or lump um….because he UNDERSTOOD what needed to be done…..years later the brass bowls figured out the brilliance of his actions…..other jackasses would have done a poll to find out the most popular approach…
….or passed a Law to prevent such a solution from being applied in future…
You think that because someone can read and write they are competent to lead a country.
neither can u BUSHman..You can’t even run yuh own website/blog,,but got nuff musty opinion on how to run a country,, u need to get down off the three legged horse uh riding before u brek yuh neck…. competence means being able to tek care yuh own shite before telling people how to tek care of theirs yuh mindless ole fart.
THE DEMOCRATIC HAS DESTROYED THE ERROL BARROW LEGACY–BIGTIME–
THE DEMOCRATIC LABOUR PARTY HAS DESTROYED THE BARROW LEGACY.
THE DLP IS THE WORST THING SINCE SLAVERY
Georgie Porgie | January 21, 2014 at 8:27 PM |
Smooth Chocolate
SANDI LIKE BARROW AND TOM WAS A BARBADOS SCHOLAR
SO WHAT ?
RICHIE HAYNES WAS A ISLAND SCHOLAR TO (O)
Barrow was NOT a Barbados Scholar!
Well Well | January 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM |
ac….if i did not have respect for Mr Barrow, I would tell you something, but will save it for another time.
well tell me dem nuh…..wuh yuh holding back for…….nincompoop.com.
@ Due Dilgence
With qualified Canadian tradesmen from across the country flooding into oil sands territory for the high paying trades jobs, the only jobs the Barbadians will be getting are jobs making sandwiches at Subway.
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The same could be said about the tens of thousands of Barbadians and other West Indians who flocked en masse to the Mother Country, beginning at the end of World War 2 ,where there was a shortage of manpower,as many of those lucky servicemen an women returning from the battlefields were given the opportunity to upgrade their skills via a nationwide training programme. Men and women , who before the war had held low level jobs such as bus driving,nursing and waiting in restaurants were now equipped to take higher posts in the Civil Service , teaching etc. This new upwardly mobile status created a shortage of workers in the low level job sector ,and as a result the doors in the Mother country were flung wide open to allow those from the Colonies to come in and fill those bottom line jobs, in London Transport Executive, the National Health Service and Lyons Tea Shop.
These people were able to send remittances to their families back here in Barbados, helping to raise their standard of living ,and as time went by, many reached the age of retirement , and decided to come back home. At one time, the contributions to the islands economy made by these people, who we like to refer to as Returning Nationals, via home construction and other endeavours, were higher than what the island was making out of its sugar production.
On day these potential Subway employees ,may be able to put some money into the islands cap. So do not knock them or the jobs.
Barrow was NOT a Barbados Scholar!
True, but how did he fall short in intelligence, self-confidence, vision, and leadership …?
There are some others who are not scholars but who clearly should be…
…just as we can identify some “scholars” who could not lead a sheep to grass or run a snow cone cart successfully…..
Actually Bushie liked Wynter Crawforf as a candidate to have been a history changing prime minister….but this is just speculation….and he was no Barbados scholar either….
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN BEING AN ISLAND SCHOLAR MEANT SOMETHING
SOME OF OUR BEST LEADERS THROUGH THE YEARS HAVE BEEN ISLAND SCHOLARS
GO INTO THE HALL AT HC AND LOOK AT THE BOARDS AT THE BACK WITH THE NAMES OF MEN WHO HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY WITH DISTINCTION.
TODAY YOU BRING DUMMIES TO LEAD PEOPLE
AND YOU EXPECT THEM TO LEAD SCHOLARS AND BRIGHT FELLAS WHO ARE CEREBRATING WAY AHEAD OF THESE MORONS.
ITS LIKE A PORSHE IN A RACE WITH A JACKASS
BTW YOU SEE IT HERE ON BU DAILY . AH LIE? AH JUST ASKING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW IT FEELS TO BE IN MEETINGS WITH MORONIC LEADERS PICKING NITS, AND MAJORING ON MINORS? NO YOU DONT, IM SURE
SANDI’S FAILURE WAS NOT HIS BRILLIANCE. HE HAD OTHER PROBLEMS HE HAD THE GUTS TO DEAL WITH CERTAIN ISSUES. NOT LIKE THE CURRENT DUMMIES WE HAVE TODAY
SADLY MR JUST ASKING, YOU COULD NEVER ATTAIN TO SUCH HEIGHTS.. TRUST ME I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL
DOOM AND GLOOM BLOGGERS
GEORGETOWN, Guyana, Tuesday January 21, 2014, CMC – Guyana and Haiti are expected to lead the economic growth among countries in Latin America and the Caribbean, according to the United Nations’ annual World Economic Situation and Prospects (WESP) report 2014 released here.
It said that both Caribbean Community (CARICOM) countries are projecting to have economic growth of 4.5 per cent this year, followed by other CARICOM member states Trinidad and Tobago 2.5 per cent, Jamaica 1.2 per cent and Barbados one per cent.
Last year Guyana had economic growth of 4.6 per cent while Haiti’s growth was estimated at 3.5 per cent.
“Overall in the Caribbean region, growth is projected at 3.3 per cent for this year. Last year, growth for the Caribbean region was estimated at 2.4 per cent in 2013, slightly slower than in the last two years.”
The report notes that Latin America and the Caribbean are expected to hasten their growth to 3.6 per cent and 4.1 per cent respectively in the next couple of years, up from 2.6 per cent in 2013.
The WESP report attributes the positive growth in 2014-2015 to sound macroeconomic policies, resilient domestic demand and the gradual recovery in developed economies.
However, it warns that economic growth remains subject to growth in other economies, mainly the Euro area, the United States and China, which is now growing at a slower pace than in previous years.
In 2013, although the region experienced growth, economic expansion was uneven.
South America led with 3.2 per cent growth in gross domestic product (GDP) in 2013, up from 2.5 per cent in 2012, due to a rebound in Argentina and Brazil.
By contrast, in Mexico and Central America, economic activity is estimated to have slowed down to 1.5 per cent in 2013 from 4.0 per cent in 2012, in part because the Mexican economy has faced structural constraints and GDP growth decelerated significantly to only 1.2 per cent.
WESP is produced at the beginning of each year by the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UN/DESA), the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) and the five United Nations regional commissions.
A report by the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC) last December puts Guyana’s economic growth close to WESP’s projections of 4.6 per cent in 2014
@ JUST ASKING
U are so dumb ,and you prove it every time you post
BU finds it amazing that in austere times many still do not demonstrate the capacity to be conciliatory in our exchanges. Frankly to read some of the comments have become boorish.
The consensus is that our political system must be reformed to force people participation. The current system where for a few minutes 60% of the electorate vote is not efficient.If we are intelligent we need to be able to construct a new system instead of the one now where the DLP and BLP take turns a the trough. More importantly we have a prime minister who because of a 2 seat margin cannot fire or make any major change to Cabinet. As a result decisions are made in the political interest and NOT national interest.
On 22 January 2014 04:21, Barbados Underground
David there probably is a need to change the political system.
However Barbadians need to be more entrepreneurial and productive at every level.
Government needs to focus on good governance and providing essential services.
The education system needs to be improved especially at the ptimary school level if you want to provide a solid foundation for the Nation’s children.
We need business leaders who in these tough times will take risks.
Barbadians need to tighten their belts and stop wasting their money on things they don’t need.
They can still enjoy the great food and fete but big screen tvs and $1000 cell phones are not necessities.
Conspicuous consumption in the current economy is destructive.
Hants the need to be entrepreneurial is ideal and required but people do not become this way by saying so. It is a behaviour which has to nurtured. It will take a long time to transform from the ”çollin” tie mindset and the status whch Barbadians have associated with it.
We wonder why you continue – in some senses – to promote many of the interests of the DLP and the BLP on your blog, David?
These two disorganizations are absolute disgraces to much of what the founders of them stood for.
For example, can you imagine on Errol Barrow Day, watching clips on CBC TV 8, about the life and times of the late great Errol Barbados, and then watching – on the same lone TV station in Barbados -brainless jack o lanterns like the Minister of Commerce, Donville Inniss, and the Minister of Finance, Chris Sinckler, speak so school boyishly puerilely to their respective gatherings?
What is pellucidly obvious from their own verbal representations there and then and from many others telecast previously, is that, they have never ever read as widely as Mr Barrow did, never ever could debate in the House of Assembly like he did, and never could have the intellectual prowess that the Father of Independence achieved.
Therefore, it cannot reasonably be expected that those two DLP persons and all those other DLP and BLP people in the parliament of Barbados would altogether have a vision for the further development of this country, like Barrow clearly had, with the many stark intellectual deficiencies that they present?
So why continue to promote such crass intellectual poor rakiness and such intellectual vagrancy that tremendously clearly define the now politically leperous DLP and BLP?
Do you think if you project the blog away from reflecting those kinds of appalling putrid partisan political characteristics and qualities, you would lose many DLP BLP contributors to the blog?
And who would care anyhow if such were to result?
David, the laudable thing is to make sure that monthly the blog ascends – not descends – politically intellectually, etc, so that the average person in Barbados, esp at this time of increasing political tumult, will be able to clearly recognize it as a political intellectual forum to be reckoned with in the country, in so far as it would be being seen by them as currently helping to revolutionize -and for the better and brighter in the long term – the face of the social, political, material and financial realms of this country.
So, as far as the PDC is concerned, by your continuing to allow the Blog to be too much an extension of the unnecessary tribalism cannibalism of these two disgraceful disorganizations, you would merely persist in the undermining of that type of revolutionary potential of this blog, though we are not so sure that you would have conceived of it as having that type of potential, given your accustomed reactionary conversatisms to many progressive ideas and solutions on here.
PDC
Bush Tea | January 21, 2014 at 9:50 PM |
Bush Tea | January 21, 2014 at 10:55 PM |
BT….Seems that you are contradicting yourself in these two posts.
Wynter Crawford is said to be the originator of the major developmental ideas of both parties.
@ Georgie Porgie
I have been noticing for some time that you have a particular obsession with Barbados scholars and the importance of winning the Barbados scholarship. Your particular brand of intellectual foolishness would suggest that hundreds of thousands of Barbadians who HAVE NOT WON Barbados scholarships over time have been virtually useless . It might be useful to remind you that two of the persons whom your writing seems to support , MR ARTHUR and MISS MOTTLEY ARE NOT BARBADOS SCHOLARS EITHER ; nobody can question Mr Arthur’s contribution to the development of this country. I believe that you yourself won a Barbados scholarship ; now may i ask you , what has been your contribution to the development of Barbados when it is placed against the vast majority of those (us) who did not even come close to winning a Barbados scholarship? I do not know who you are but I can say from observation that your language does not betray any level of the brilliance which you think is the preserve of Barbados scholars . You certainly cannot write better English than i can …..
I dont know why Georgie Porgie should attack me
I know why limitone would attack me -It is because I believe I call what limitone wrote crap sometime earlier.While there was no response then, limitone now sneaks this attack on me .
I do not attack persons and call them by names.
I usually attack their arguments.
I would warn you limitone whoever you are, posting under a different name, DO NOT ATTACK JUST ASKING.
I am not easy–
Ask ac what I did to him/her ass on this blog.
Cuss she/he back upin the mudda for attacking me
limitone and Georgie
I will ignore you for now
I hope that you all can stick to attacking the argument and not the person. Barbados needs help and we should help and stop all the talk anyway. Its not getting us anywhere.
Everybody has a role to play and it does not matter who you are and where you came from. Every individual has sense and intelligence. It takes persons of varying abilities and skills to make the world go around. This is something that we need to embrace and stop discriminating against people based on folly. We are all made in the image of God and each of us has a role to play. If we cant appreciate that reality, we will forever be categorizing, stigmatizing and victimizing people unnecessarily.
We need masons and carpenters, doctors, garbage collectors, mechanics, physicists, plumbers, electricians, Truck Drivers, the lot. We should seek to help each other. My skill is not your skill and some persons are born with innate abilities , Why should we discriminate ?
Note to Georgie Porgie
I dont know where you get it from that I am a (MR)
The DLP will unrepentantly celebrate the birthday every single year of Errol Walton Barrow (EWB) that doyen of Caribbean and Barbadian statesman. It is indeed heart warming to note that PM Freundel Jerome Stuart has already begun to blaze a trail in Caricom and Barbados similar to what EWB did during his lifetime.
Barbadians are indeed thrilled to note that OSA even confirmed a few days ago…..that he has no confidence in MAM….and by extension no confidence in himself since it was OSA who foisted MAM on Barbadians.
Oh what a tangled web they weaved !
@ Fractured BLP | January 22, 2014 at 9:36 AM |
“It is indeed heart warming to note that PM Freundel Jerome Stuart has already begun to blaze a trail in Caricom and Barbados similar to what EWB did during his lifetime.”
Oh what a bellyful of hearty laughs you have given the BU family today!
A laugh a day keeps the ‘Sparmans’ of this world away. You can bet that the bloggers who read you comical piece of stupidity would be alive 100 years from now.
Why don’t you ask the leaders and ordinary people of those other Caricom states what they really think of the Fumbler and his administration. You can start with Kamla and Ms Myrie.
It’s a pity your highly influential trail blazer is incapable of attracting the confidence of the Trinidadians to offer his administration a little bail-out loan like an early hand in a regional sou-sou or meeting turn instead of going (a) begging to the international loan sharks bleeding in the water with junk bond status label around his neck for a life saver.
TRUE DAT! ,,,Fractured BLP…….But the BLP still living in Wonderland..imagine the nerve of the Leader asking the people of barbados to form a mass protest does she not understand the implications OSA attack on her was intentional but she seems to be proving HIM right….doesnt she realise the potential internal and external harm of such amaddening suggestion can she repair the damage after it is done..Can barbados afford this kind of Helter Skelter Leadership i don,t think so.
Soon after placing our earlier post under this thread it cannot be believed that exactly what we said in the last part of the said PDC post, we were made to see evidence of in terms of David’s response (January 22, 2014, 4.39 am) to Hants’ comment that Barbadians need to be more entrepreneurial and productive at every level (January 22, 2014, 2.24 am blog).
But David the need to be entrepreneurial is not just idealistic and required in the reactionary way you suggested and intoned.
Also it is not entirely correct to disassociate entrepreneurial from the “collar and tie” mentality.
David, consider these four things:
1) There are many entrepreneurs who wear collars and ties;
2) The practicality and reality has already over the years become and is still one that, in Barbados, there are thousands upon thousands of different entrepreneurs thinking and doing multifarious things in this country;
3) All workers perform many commercial functions – they carry out various commercial activities, and they get payments or transfers. Therefore in relationship to who they are sometimes, how they think sometimes, and what they do sometimes, in the commercial business environment, they are – to small degrees -entrepreneurial already, though not entrepreneurs;
4) Thousands upon thousands of workers who might otherwise have been entrepreneurs are prevented from becoming so, owing to, et al, many very anti-entrepreneurial policies and regimes that are found to have been part of the ammunition of government and some people of the private sector and the trade unions to directly or indirectly thwart or prevent far far reater levels of entrepreneurialism from proactively coming about in Barbados.
PDC
JUST ASKING
RE Note to Georgie Porgie
I dont know where you get it from that I am a (MR)
I REALLY DONT CARE WHAT OR WHO YOU ARE
AND IT IS VERY CLEAR I DIDNT ATTACK YOU
@ No Barbados scholar . | January 22, 2014 at 7:00 AM |
YOU CAN NOT REFUTE THAT MANY BARBADOS SCHOLARS OVER THE LAST CENTURY HAVE BEEN VERY USEFUL
RE It might be useful to remind you that two of the persons whom your writing seems to support , MR ARTHUR and MISS MOTTLEY ARE NOT BARBADOS SCHOLARS EITHER
CLEARLY YOU ARE LACKING IN ENGLISH COMPREHENSION SKILLS FOR I HAVE NEVER WRITTEN ANYTHING ON BU TO SUGGEST THAT I SUPPORT EITHER ARTHUR OR MOTTLEY
RE now may i ask you , what has been your contribution to the development of Barbados when it is placed against the vast majority of those (us) who did not even come close to winning a Barbados scholarship?
PERHAPS YOU MISSED IT BUT I STATED THAT SEVERAL TIMES ON BU
LOL LOL LOL
Miller
Those of us who follwed BU for a very long time have noticed that your greatest handicap of contibuting anything worthwhile on Barbadian politics is the fact that the two persons you constantly promote as viable alternatives in the perons of OSA and MAM…. are nothing more than political relics of a BLP era that was characterised by stealth and subtefuge.
Therefore, even now that OSA and MAM
find themselves in the political wilderness it is not surprising that all rational citizens of Barbados stand watch as these same two persons fight like vultures over an ever decaying carcass once called the BLP.
No doubt a cadaver consumer like yourself faced with this reality….. would
always try to pull down and associate PM Freundel Stuart and his DLP team with the rot that now defines and characterise the BLP.
It is not working and won’t work. You need to go and re invent yourself like the old douche bag ‘ Old Onion Bag ‘ did soon after the humilation he endured after 21 st February 2014.
Get loss you harlot of Roebuck Street
21 st February 2013
WOW! “harlot of Roebuck street” what a stinging indictment of miller
@Georgie Porgie | January 21, 2014 at 11:36 PM |
“TODAY YOU BRING DUMMIES TO LEAD PEOPLE…ITS LIKE A PORSHE IN A RACE WITH A JACKASS”
well said and i agree totally. how could jackasses lead this country? they can’t that’s why we are in this situation today.
@miller……..But TRUE…..
@PDC
Sometimes one has to wonder at your comprehension skills. The reference to collin tie is to highlight a mindset which Barbadians have of being satisfied working for others rather than being entrepreneurial.
@ Fractured BLP | January 22, 2014 at 12:26 PM |
“No doubt a cadaver consumer like yourself faced with this reality….. would always try to pull down and associate PM Freundel Stuart and his DLP team with the rot that now defines and characterise the BLP.”
Fractured and bent with hurt BLP, the miller can only respond with the incontrovertible assertion that he is neither a pal of Leroy Greenverbs or is he controlled by a leper whose money the greedy banks will not touch with a 9 million dollar barge pole worth of shit.
The Fumbler has carved his own mirror image of lies and insincere integrity that history will not be kind to. In other words, he will always be known as the idiot who twiddled his thumbs at the helm while Bim burned on the deck of the sinking ship called Devaluation.
He will be known as the worst PM Bim had or ever will have and always be daubed and dubbed as the potential Caligula of Little England as the spectre of cracking Bajan heads and shooting young people continues to raise its ugly head in the form of a stuttering laundry man.
Why don’t you go and look for OSA at John Moore’s bar or MAM in some all-women’s hideaway or speakeasy and leave the miller out of your puerile discussions as Barbados propels toward a state of economic meltdown?
PS: Tell your boy the Fumbler he has made a commitment to the nation to meet a deadline of January 31st. Or is this another pipe dream of the sleeping giant on Molasses Hill?
JUST ASKING | January 22, 2014 at 8:30 AM
Ask ac what I did to him/her ass on this blog.
Cuss she/he back upin the mudda for attacking me
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See YOU jac ass..ing taking pride in a boastful manner about this and that…don’t worry! day does run till nite catch up wid it……bonehead….| Keep talking yuh trash………one day soon come….
@ac
@mark Fenty
@fractured Blp
I am writing on behalf of David Thompson ordering you 3 computers to come in for hardware repairs that includes some replacement of chips and an improved
pause/on/ off button because he is having problems backing up the master hard drive
When it was 1 it was hard on him but now
you 3 plus the Dlp bad management, plus the clico money thing is stopping he from sleeping all night he is awake,so please return , he say you know where he house is
He wife put up a marble sign
Watchman
None of the persons you have referred to can stop your nightmares !
Your status remains hopeless.
You moron !
LOL…..so funny how the BLP yarfowls string along each other like corn on a string using or wasting the voting power on BU,,,,it so funny ,,how much voting power they have on BU but couldn’t .t ;t find enough vote to win the election! suggestion save some of them votes for the next election,,cause wunna going to need all the help wunna can get…..Even onions seem to have bow out and deserted the BLP YARDFOWL brigade,,.,,,,,,Wait ! wait! before i forget sumbody told me that onions help no longer needed cause he was the one advising wunna leader about using the “gimmickry’…….
Hi Watchman before you continue to worsen the ulcers in your stomach take time to pause and reflect on the following:
The DLP forms the government of Barbados
The PM of Barbados is a member of the DLP
BU enjoys most of it contributions from DLP supporters
The blog master of BU a.k.a David is an unrepentant supporter of the DLP (it is only because he has to keep BU relevant that he pretends to be different most times ! )
Therefore the DLP is the party of choice today….that’s why from the school children on the free bus rides , the citizens that benefit from Constituency Councils and childrens camps and DT football classic the slogan is …..Dems now ….Dems Again !
Even OSA agrees by pulling the rug from under MAM.
You can either join the DLP train or be left stranded at the station….till MAM comes and LICK yuh down !
( No pun intended ! )
@ac
@ Fractured Blp
I am awaken as to what happened so I can’t get nightmares , but you know the feelings , because only your kind can eat some of the calf that was paid for with clico policy holders money , that D T& L P thief and pay your kind for a vote to win
DT gone ahead, to make away for you all as you know , he was the brightest and the leader so maturely only he could find the special track in HELL that is there for your kind of you know
God bless the DLP.
Mark Fenty | January 22, 2014 at 10:23 PM |
God bless the DLP.
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You selfish lot. Don’t you feel it should be the people of Barbados.
@ Mark Fenty
Are you saying the DLP has a special God
Because the God that the DLP kind know
is the clico blood money
Harry S Truman was the President of the United States of America, di he go to college? And John Major was Prime Minister of Great Britain, did he go to Oxford? The rampant elitism, that some of these assholes carrying on with in Barbados, needs to stop. Everyone is not a good test taker, and may not have been able to score high enough on that 11+ examination. A person’s contribution, can very well come from all facets of our exisitence, from janitorial work, to house keeping. Many an uneducated laborer, worked hard to put some of these pompass assholes through Harrison College, Queens College and universities around the world. I learn so much, by coming to this blog and having my opinion weighed, and disected. Mr Barrow and Mr. adams before him, were instrumental in getting bajan children good educations. Mr. Sandiford, in my opinion was the best Minister of Education, Barbados ever had. My question to anyone here on this blog, how many Barbadian Scholars, turned out to be abject failures in life? There were a few, that walked around Barbados, living in rum shops, and not making good on their fine Harrisonian educations, so please, lets not suggest that most of us here are failures, because we went to other schools in Barbados.
Wuh Victor, you are the only one suggesting that.
The argument is that we should seek to have our most intelligent resources in leadership positions because of the CRITICAL roles that leaders are required to play in national success
If you had a family business – which of your children would you groom to take over from you? The womanizer? The sportsman? The musician? Or the academic thinker and ideas person?
That does not define the others as failures, nor does it say that all the academics would be successful, but odds are that you BEST chances of success will come from the most suitable child….
…the BRIGHT one….
Wuh if you was Freundel’s father – would you put him in charge of your rumshop?
David,
It is not so simple as you may think.
The ‘collar and tie’ mentality ( for us mentalities ) of which you wrote about above cannot be so neatly prepackaged into some projection that it is about persons who are working for others, as opposed to being about persons who are entrepreneurial.
First, this ‘collar and tie’ thing fundamentally relates to the outlooks (ideas) of many persons who possess images of some MEN ( interestingly enough not WOMEN – we wonder if this has sexist connotations having to do with the tie having an historically phallic association) carrying clean, crisp, flashy, neat looks in their work or business clothes, or who – in addition to those afore mentioned things – are about performing services that are primarily mental, and that are particularly suited to their own types of work or business environments.
Hence, the logical deduction would be that for them (the holders of these images) these images are of many entrepreneurs as well as of many workers looking in such ways and doing such things.
Too, the opposite to that “collar and tie” mentality (again for us mentalities) is a mentality (per best called a blue collar mentality) that is obviously fundamentally related to the outlooks (ideas) of many persons who possess images of not just men but also women who carry rough, untidy, or coarse appearances in their work or business gear uniforms, and who – in addition to those appearances – are about performing services that are mainly manual mechanical and that are especially suited to their types of work or business of environments.
Hence the logical deduction must be too that many of these persons who are possessing these images do properly have these images of many other entrepreneurs as well as of many other workers looking in those particular ways and doing those particular things.
Also there are many cases where many persons have the outlooks (ideas) that are related to images of some persons – workers or entrepreneurs – not looking so clean, crisp, flashy, neat in their work business outfits, even though they engage in providing primarily mental work or business services.
Thus these persons possessing these particular images must view it that these are in contradiction to the ones held about the clean, crisp, flashy neat looks in the primarily mental work or business environment.
Thus for them too these contradicting images must relate to some workers and some entrepreneurs in the just mentioned environment.
Then there are cases where too many persons have outlooks (ideas) that relate to their possessing of images of some others carrying clean, crisp, looks even though these particular people do work or business that is primarily physical rough not mental.
As such these persons must know that these images are contradicting the ones held about men and women looking rough untidy and coarse in the very rough manual work or business environment.
And therefore they must know too that these contradicting images relate to some workers and entrepreneurs in their respective work or business environments.
Secondly, now, there is the question of how do these imageries become mentalities, or mental attitudes, leading to particular positive or negative social political habits practices and cultures consistent with the images themselves.
Now such images could not over time become mentalities for the particular persons – workers or entrepreneurs – if they did not internalize/learn them from the relevant others as being suitable to them in what ever work or business environments.
Hence these subjective images held by one another of one another only become mentalities when the relevant workers or business people, in whatever ways, OBJECTIVELY learn and practice, NOT the images, BUT the outlooks (ideas) related to these images.
Moreover, those who observe such social behaviors being practised by the relevant persons – workers or entrepreneurs – are primarily left to have images of such behaviors, which they may also rightly or wrongly relate to “collar and tie”, “blue collar” outlooks mentalities in the process of continuing to build or adapt to social identifications labels meanings in the context of changing social dynamics wheresoever.
So finally in the environment of persons – workers or entrepreneurs – wanting or accepting to THEMSELVES look clean or dirty, crisp or tattered, flashy or muddy, neat or coarse, etc in the course of doing work or business, these persons themselves practising wholly or partially these outlooks, mentalities, etc, CANNOT BE JUXTAPOSED WITH SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVING NO SCIENTIFIC FACTS TO SUPPORT THEIR VIEW THAT HAVING A COLLAR AND TIE MENTALITY MEANS INDIVIDUALS WANTING TO WORK FOR OTHERS AND NOT WANTING TO BE ENTREPRENEURIAL, and yes given some of the yet untested hypotheses we put forward earlier for your consideration.
PDC
Victor I share your thinking on this issue and ask again what tangible contribution(s) to the development of Bim have all of these scholars made?
How has Bim moved forward thanks to their ability?
We in Bim have started to believe our own rubbish about our intellectually superiority……which is why we are blessed with our political directorate.
Can any one tell me what is the difference between an Alchemist and an Economist?
Vincent
Which of our political directorate are intellectually superior?
How has Bim moved forward thanks to their ability
You REALLY mean to ask how have we benefitted from people like Sir Grantley, EWB, Tom, Sandy, and others of that era?
BT…Yes
Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore a contemporary of EWB,FB&MM and of the LSC..took over the stagnant 238 sq mi island of Singapore and with the vision he had,reformed it into a world leader.
I am not suggesting we follow his methods,but are you saying we could not think/invent our own home made viable way forward with all the scholars and leaders you are talking about.
What we have here in BIM and the Anglo-phone Caribbean is simply a follow pattern of the colonial system,with a tinker here and a tinker there…..we have not ventured out on our own into choppy seas….our entire educational system is geared to maintaining the status quo.
You ever heard that yuh can’t make pearls out of a sow’s ear? (Or something like dat)
Lee retired and Singapore continues to be a trendsetter….. You see that sports facility they are building…?
…you see we stadium?
You can’t make pearls with brass bowls…..
But outstanding leaders may be able to get some glass bling put together 🙂
BT….
Now we have fully identified our problem and our mirror image which is no different to the present West Indies cricket team…..what are we going to do about it other than writing and re-writing our laments?
All this long talk coming from a BUSHMAN who can.,t even generate a following on BUSH TEA AT LARGE…BUT , But have enough balls to tell govt how to run a country .now who de hell gonna listen to a clown like this…Can,t get he s..hite in order..However got ALL the answers to world problems…Negro u need to go take a double doseof glabber salts to help u get some instant reliefof the crap u spew all day and night on BU. about “if u was FS father.”.LOL muh belly.
“Democratic Labour Party Celebrates Errol Barrow’s Legacy”
What Legacy. There is now no legacy having fumbled away in the twinkling of an eye before the last trump all that Mr Barrow introduced and stood for.
@ Vincent Haynes | January 23, 2014 at 8:38 AM |
“Can any one tell me what is the difference between an Alchemist and an Economist?”
The alchemist tries to turn base metal into gold whereas the economist tries his best to turn bullshit into intellectual fertilizer.
Can you guess which one the Bushman pretends to be?
Vincent Haynes | January 23, 2014 at 11:06 AM |
BT…Yes
What we have here in BIM and the Anglo-phone Caribbean is simply a follow pattern of the colonial system,with a tinker here and a tinker there…..we have not ventured out on our own into choppy seas….our entire educational system is geared to maintaining the status quo
TOTALLY AGREE WITH THESE SENTIMENTS
BUT ISNT THE TIME PASSED FOR THE TALK
LETS GET OUT THERE –LETS MEET IN QUEENS PARK AND PICK A TEAM TO LOOK AT WAYS AND MEANS –THE TEAM WILL THEN MEET THE LARGER BODY AND MAKE DECISIONS ON THE WAY FORWARD.–ACTION
NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THE ABOVE. JUST WANT TO STAY AT HOME OR SOMEWHERE ELSE AT TYPE WORDS ON A KEYBOARD
THE YOUNGER PEOPLE DONT CARE BOUT NUTTIN
JA…
We are long in the tooth,in our day we were anti-establishment,we did not succeed and are now watching the chickens that we predicted coming home to roost.
Our generation and the one before is responsible for where we are today…..the new generation has to do what has to be done.
Good conversation and exchanges.
On 24 January 2014 01:10, Barbados Underground
take notice that at the end of the day tis DLP govt is still holding strain and making every effort in having to lay off the mass thousands of people predicted by the blp yardfowls ..another one of their “empty vessel predictions” but i guess they still have one more to prove “Riots in the land…. EWB was right about THE BLP …HIs predictions are coming true,