Submitted by Eye-Opening Reality
Alice Bailey:1880 -1949
While the church sleeps, the Devil is damaging souls with the current Babylonian system. Here is a strategy crafted by an occultist who died 65 years ago. Till today, the system she designed is still dragging people to Hell. Can Christianity and the modern Church develop a system to repair these damages and spread the Gospel to all the world as a witness? Let’s see what the NOW plans are:
THE STRATEGY:- The 10-Point Charter
PURPOSE:– To change Christian tradition or to redeem the nations of Christian tradition.
1. TAKE GOD AND PRAYER OUT OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM
Change curriculum to ensure that children are freed from the bondage of Christian culture. Why? Because children go to school to be equipped to face life, they are willing to trust and they are willing to value what is being given to them.
If you take God out of education, they will unconsciously form a resolve that God is not necessary to face life. They will focus on those things the school counts them worthy to be passed on and they will look at God as an additional, if one can afford the additional.
N.B. Today they introduce Transcendental Meditation (TM) in schools which takes children to altered states of consciousness to meet with demons (spirit guides) = New Age.
2. REDUCE PARENTAL AUTHORITY OVER THE CHILDREN
Break the communication between parent and child (Why?). So that parents do not pass on their Christian traditions to their children, liberate children from the bondage of their parent traditions (how?)
a) Promote excessive child rights; (1997-1998 South Africa introduced Child rights legislation – UNICEF Charter; Today a child is able to say to parent ‘I do not want to hear that, I don’t want to do what you are telling me. Teachers cannot talk to children, children step up and say I have my rights, you cannot talk to me like that).
b) Abolish corporal punishment; (this has been made law). On the other hand the Bible says “Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod and deliver his soul from hell.” (Proverbs 23: 13-14)
N.B. Jesus said in the last days – wickedness will increase, there will be rebellion and children will not obey their parents. It is not a trend, it is organized.
c) Teachers are the agents of implementation – from workshops, teachers tell children, “Your parent has no right to force you to pray or read the Bible, you are yourself, have a right of your own, you need to discover yourself, self-expression, self-realization, self-fulfilment are all buzz words.”
In the West when the child is 7 years, the teachers begin to say to the child “you have a right to choose whether you want to follow the faith of your parents or not, parents are not allowed to enforce their faith upon you.” Question is, what type of decision can a 7 year old make?
3. DESTROY THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE OR THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE (Why?)
It is oppressive and that the family is the core of the nation. If you break the family, you break the nation. Liberate the people from the confines of this structure (How?)
a) Promote sexual promiscuity – free young people to the concept of premarital sex, let them have free sex, lift it so high that the joy of enjoying it (sex) is the highest joy in life, fantasize it, that everybody will feel proud to be seen to be sexually active, even those outside of marriage. This is contrary to the word of God which says “… But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints… for this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.” (Ephesians 5: 3-5)
b) Use advertising industry, media – T.V., magazines, film industry to promote sexual enjoyment as the highest pleasure in humanity. Have they succeeded? Have they done it? If you want to see whether they have succeeded or not, go to the advertising industry, it does everything to catch your attention and today almost no advert comes out without a sexual connotation. Even when they advertise ice cream, they must show you a thigh of a woman and a bikini, they must do something to set off a trail of thoughts. They will show you more thighs than ice cream. Why? Because, that is what must be in the minds of the people.
N.B. Advertising industry pops out so much money towards their advertisements to the T.V. and radio.
4. IF SEX IS FREE, THEN MAKE ABORTION LEGAL AND MAKE IT EASY
Build clinics for abortion – Health clinics in schools. If people are going to enjoy the joy of sexual relationships, they need to be free of unnecessary fears, in other words they should not be hampered with unwanted pregnancies.
‘Abortion as told by Christians is oppressive and denies our rights, we have a right to choose whether we want to have a child or not. If a woman does not want the pregnancy, she should have the freedom to get rid of that pregnancy painless and as easy as possible’. Today it is not only accessible, it is forced. Today abortion is a strategy to curb population control together with the use of condoms and ‘pill’.
5. MAKE DIVORCE EASY AND LEGAL, FREE PEOPLE FROM THE CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE FOR LIFE
Alice wrote over 65 years ago that love has got a mysterious link called the “love bond”. It is like an ovum that comes out of the ovary, as it travels through your system, it clicks a love favor in you and there’s one other person in the world who can respond to that love bond, when you see that person, everything within you clicks, that is your man/woman, if you miss him, you’ll never be happy until that love bond cycles past, for many years, so for you to be happy get that person at whatever cost, if it means getting him/her out of that marriage, get him/her that is your man/woman. It’s a mistake for him/her to be elsewhere. And if you go together for some time and find that love has died, don’t be held in bondage by the Christian values it will never come back, what you need is an easily arranged divorce and allow another love bond to come forth, just like an ovum comes up, and when it comes forth you’ll enjoy life again. On the contrary God’s word says in Malachi 2: 16; “For the Lord God of Israel says that He hates divorce…”
N.B. People enter into marriage having signed contracts of how they will share their things after divorce. People enter with one foot and another behind. In the past, divorce was unthinkable. It is one thing for a marriage to fail but it is another thing for people to enter marriage with an intention to enjoy as long as it was enjoyable and to walk out of it.
6. MAKE HOMOSEXUALITY AN ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE
Alice Bailey preached (over 65 years ago) that sexual enjoyment is the highest pleasure in humanity, no one must be denied and no one must be restricted how to enjoy themselves. People should be allowed in whichever way they chose they want, whether it is homosexuality or in incest or bestiality, as long as the two agree.
In the world today, so many laws have been made that promote homosexuality and give so much freedom to gay rights, that a time will come when it is illegal for a preacher to mention homosexuality as an abomination in the eyes of God, or to read scriptures publicly that talk about homosexuality. At the International scene, Western nations now sanction African countries that have resisted homosexuality, with threats of withdrawing foreign aid and investments. Today many churches marry gays/lesbians and ordain gay priests.
According to the Bible, this is an “ABOMINATION” before the eyes of God.
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22) “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
7. DEBASE ART, MAKE IT RUN MAD
How? Promote new forms of art which will corrupt and defile the imagination of people because art is the language of the spirit, that which is inside, you can bring out in painting, music, drama etc. Look at the quality of the music that is coming out, the films out of Hollywood.
8. USE MEDIA TO PROMOTE AND CHANGE MINDSET
The greatest channel you need to use to change human attitude is media. Use the press, the radio, T.V, cinema. You can tell today how successful they have been in implementing the plan over 65 years via media as well as advertising agencies, billboards, magazines. Who controls the media? (New Age). So much money is pumped into media and advertising spreading of pornographic material and other sources. Sex outside of marriage is thrown in your face 80-90 times than sex in marriage. Promiscuity is being promoted as natural, you watch gay sex on T.V. in homes where children’s minds are being neutralized to sensitivity to these things. You wonder why newspapers, T.V, etc do not record anything about Christian activities.
9. CREATE AN INTERFAITH MOVEMENT
Promote other faiths to be at par with Christianity, and break this thing about Christianity as being the only way to Heaven, by that Christianity will be pulled down and other “faiths” promoted. She said promote the importance of man in determining his own future and destiny – HUMANISM. She said tell man he has the right to choose what he wants to be and he can make it happen, he has the right to determine his cause – this takes God off His Throne. Interfaith movements are rising everywhere in the world today.
10. GET GOVERNMENTS TO MAKE ALL THESE LAW AND GET THE CHURCH TO ENDORSE THESE CHANGES
The church must change its doctrine and accommodate the people by accepting these things and put them into its structures and systems. Have they succeeded?
Today you wonder why our governments are legislating laws contrary to the Bible and why the church is compromising the Word of God. It is a process of implementing The Plan – A 50 year strategy of the New Age Movement to fulfil its ultimate goal to establish a One World Government, a One World Economic system and a One World Religion.Today the strategy almost in its entirety has been adopted by the United Nations and today a lot of it is already law in many nations. This deception has crept up unobserved on so many people. It can best be demonstrated through the well-known analogy of the frog in the pot of water. If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water, it is smart enough to know that it is in terrible danger and will immediately jump out to safety. But if you turn up the heat very slowly, a little at a time, it doesn’t notice the changes that are taking place and will slowly cook to death. Many people today are slowly cooking to death and don’t seem to realize how far they have come from where they once were.
Today the Western World is not struggling to resist these because the New Age Movement focused primarily on the West because that was the Christian world in the 19th century. The New Age Movement has a school called the Akanni School, which is the school of all the leaders of the Western world. They subscribe to it. It is recorded that they say they have succeeded the task in the West but suddenly they realize Christianity has migrated to the rest of the world, so they have now to use every resource in the West to deal with the rest of the world. In Africa, South Africa is the number one state, it is changing at such a rapid speed. They are saying give to African States a financial package with conditions to: Legalize abortion & Take God and prayer out of school.
Governments are so attracted to this package, they can’t say no to it, they need the money, and they ask the church to find an answer. These are done secretly. Christianity is 5%, the rest is Hinduism, Buddhism, and Spiritism. New Age is being taught to teachers, they are being taught to teach this in schools.
It is interesting to note that Blavatsky, Besant and Alice Bailey (1880 -1949) were well known Masonic leaders of the day. Albert Pike referred to Freemasonry as the ‘custodian’ or special guardian of these occult secrets and revealed the hidden agenda of his institution, the forming of a Luciferian One World Government.
Watch and pray!
Why don’t you go jump off the nearest cliff? What a truckload of CRAP!
You are a perfect reflection of Alice Bailey’s plan
You are a biased BIGOT ! Stop spewing your Christian HATRED!
Oh for Christ’s sake, islandgal246, it’s obviously the idiot Terry. Get a grip.
That would be Dr. Terry with his doctorate in sociology from Essex University, which he absolutely got, no question, and nobody doubts it.
Hey, Terry, ya din menshun de Nites Templa from de lodge an de joos and de Vat’kan.
Terry asks: “Question is, what type of decision can a 7 year old make?”
Well, Dr. Terence with your PhD in sociology from Essex University, a a 7 year-old can understand that Santa Claus is just the love of their parents with gifts, and a seven year-old can grasp that, quite obviously, there is no invisible guy in the sky.
We will love one another or die, and the last thing we need is some charlatan academic– masquerading as having qualifications that he signally fails to have — telling us who we can love.
May your invisible guy-in-the-sky have mercy on your miserable, semiliterate, charlatan soul, Terry.
For good or ill, most of it is with us.
Why is it that man put so much responsibilty on god. did not god gives man a choice ..Is man expecting too much of god. and as a result expects nothing of self .
@”In the West when the child is 7 years, the teachers begin to say to the child “you have a right to choose whether you want to follow the faith of your parents or not, parents are not allowed to enforce their faith upon you.” Question is, what type of decision can a 7 year old make?
Actually all of the 7 year olds that I know “choose” to follow their parent’s religion or non-religion
The response here to the historic FACTS, re Alice Bailey’s Evil, Sinister, long term agenda, to DESTROY ALL of the Historic Judeo/Christian fundamental strengths of FAMILY, etc, as Almighty God ordained, and WAS historically responsible for ALL societies that FLOURISHED, until they deviated from what IS* right, TRUE, is an utter confirmation of the SEARED-CONSCIENCES of those GODLESS HATERS of absolute Truth, as our world of nations, are FALLING APART, exactly as Almighty God declared they would!
Professing to be wise, these ACTIVE HATERS of God, have become FOOLS!
Absolutely true to form!
maybe it is time to put a new GOD on the throne, For indeed this old GOD has been used and abused by those that he hath trust and put his faith in… Hopefully the new God would not be as naive,, leaving everything in his WILL to the Church,,,
I’ll drink to that ac.
@ Zoe | 08/01/2014 at 9:38 pm |
“..as our world of nations, are FALLING APART, exactly as Almighty God declared they would!”
Seeing there is no ‘philosophical’ difference between Lord Shiva and Yahweh it would not be the first of your Judeo-Christian god’s ordained cycle of creation and destruction being played out. Now look what happened to the poor people in the mythological Noah’s time; or even in Lot’s time.
Don’t you think it’s time your 8,000 or so year old (according to your calculations on the age of the Earth and Universe) minor god(s) leave the scene to make way for the coming “renewed” age of technology and enlightenment which was here before during the Great Year of the spinning fire ball in the Sky? The Internet will be the new god of ‘good and evil’. Even you, my simple friend Zoe, are obliged to succumb to it.
look
nothing will change if you do not put some sacrafice.not just sit on your big black ass and do nothing,fools.look listen to truth.
http://youtu.be/pB_PJfTpW5A
“Honour your father and mother’
But my mother is a lesbian and is more interested in her friend than me. Besides, she lashes me on a daily basis because she says I’m always late home from school and get my school clothes dirty; and my father went off with another woman when I was two and has never even called me.
Nunnaki, Man you’re still in the Abyss of spiritual darkness, destruction and DEATH, simply because the ‘ Light that’s IN YOU IS* utter DARKNESS!
@ Robert Ross 5:21 a.m.
LOL
That explains a lot……
Could some one please tell me who or what is God and what purpose does she/he/it serve?
@ Zoe | 09/01/2014 at 7:25 am |
“Nunnaki, Man you’re still in the Abyss of spiritual darkness, destruction and DEATH, simply because the ‘ Light that’s IN YOU IS* utter DARKNESS!”
Are you saying the “Nuksie” lives in that Black Hole at the centre of the Milky Way aka the womb of Mary, the mother of your sweet minor god?
You better be careful your puny belligerent god Yahweh or his dying sidekick albino son is not sucked in when that astronomical event of the black hole feeding on a massive gas cloud occurs in March 2014 which could be the first signs of the immaculate conception and subsequent birth of new star babies.
Your Star, your real and true God, is currently in the vicinity and could really feel the effects of the “burping” leading to one long expulsion in the form of a massive CME to put poor Earth in serious flatulent trouble.
Nuksie, The more you write and expound, the more you confirm HOW FAR UP Satan’s intestines you ARE, gone past his breakfast, now feasting on his embowelled LUNCH, a true disciple of the ‘Father of ALL LIES.” And you talk about “…serious flatulent trouble.” Like pigs, you are totally unable to distinguish CRAP from true clean food! You are in the very essence and CORE of Satanic deception and diabolical FLATULENCE!
BT
‘Honouring’, in Zoe’s sense, has an absolute truth value. As such it cannot be conditional on the idiocies of the parents. There is no conditional absolute truth. It’s a dilemma isn’t it? I wonder what ‘God’, that dear, old, nice (when I’m good) and nasty (when I’m not) old man in the sky would say. Must ask Zoe.
As for me, beloved BT, well who knows…..
But Ross my mother did not lash me was not a lesbian…….what says yea……
ac
Oh I see. The problem is genetic. OK.
I guess we all have to seek our own salvation (whatever that is) in fear and trembling (whatever they are) – as the great gay, St Paul, enjoins us.
NO the problem maybe one of societal and man.s intrepretation of what is right or wrong according to culture..also is it immoral to “honour” a parent who through no fault of their own might be mentally challenge and does not have the intelect and capabilities necessary to be efficient in administering good parental judgement.
In 1892 The Supreme Court determined and declared the United States was indeed a Christian Nation
In 1952 President Truman established one day a year as a
“National Day of Prayer.”
In 1988 President Reagan designated the First Thursday in May of each year as the National Day of Prayer.
In June 2007 (then) Presidential Candidate Barack Obama
declared that the USA “Was no longer a Christian nation.”
This year President Obama canceled the 21st annual National Day
of Prayer ceremony at the White House under the ruse
Of “not wanting to offend anyone”
BUT… on September 25, 2009 from 4 AM until 7 PM, a National Day of Prayer FOR THE MUSLIM RELIGION was Held on Capitol Hill,
Beside the White House. There were over 50,000 Muslims
in D.C. that day.
HE PRAYS WITH THE MUSLIMS!
I guess it Doesn’t matter if “Christians” Are offended by this event –
We obviously Don ‘t count as “anyone” Anymore.
The direction this country is headed should strike fear in the heart of every Christian,especially knowing that the Muslim religion believes that if Christians cannot be converted, they should be annihilated.
This is not a Rumor – Go to the website To confirm this info:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capitolislam.asp
@Vincent
What is faith?
DAVID
faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (HEBREWS 11:1)
What is faith?
Faith is what you see when a quarter of a million women and men and children are crushed and drowned and annihilated in a natural disaster in 2004, their suffering being indescribable, and then a survivor thanks an invisible guy in the sky that he wasn’t annihilated along with his infant children. That’s faith. It’s often indistinguishable from stupidity.
Faith is what you see every single day in the oncology departments of hospitals world-wide, when a screaming mother who is out of her mind with grief is finally made to understand that, despite the long months she’s spent on her knees begging her invisible guy in the sky, acute lymphoblastic leukemia has killed her 12 year-old. And then she goes to the chapel to pray. That’s faith. It’s often indistinguishable from hysteria.
Faith is something that is clung to by those who are deficient in personality and intellectual curiosity. It is their comfort blanket. To those bewildered by the sheer arbitrariness of life, faith is an imagined safeguard against uncertainty. Faith is what causes psychopaths to fly planes into buildings.
Faith is what I have in my other-sex spouse … The faith that my spouse will love and honour me always, as I will reciprocate. Faith is what causes the dull of mind to refer to those who love their same-sex spouses, on this very blog, as “an abomination”. Faith is what causes the dull to refer to human beings as abominations. Faith is what causes the dull, constantly, to tell us that the world is going to end next Tuesday.
Faith is a beautiful word. Religious faith is a shackle for those who only feel well in the mobs they call congregations, and a righteous tool for those who would exploit the vulnerable dull-of-mind who feel better in mobs. We only get better one by one, never in congregations. Mob faith is inimical to individual improvement. Mob faith leads to the kind of ugly insanity you see on your own little blog, “David”.
Chuckle……David….JB has given a very good answer with examples,that I would endorse.
VINCENT
ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
pROVERBS 26:4-5
Dr. Porgie (as always, SHOUTING) gives us the benefit of his theological insight on 09/01/2014 at 4:43 pm: “VINCENT, ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS,
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
pROVERBS 26:4-5”
That’s it, Dr Porgie? That’s your comeback? A quotation from a book written for bronze-age desert nomads? That’s really it? Is that your bedside manner? That’s what you say, DOCTOR Porgie, to a father who’s just watched his new-born daughter succumb to Tay-Sachs?
You quote the Book of Proverbs to him? Really? That’s it?
QUID SCRIPSI DIXIQUE, SCRIPSI DIXIQUE
I am baffled by individuals believing in things to which no empirical evidence exists.I wonder why the mythology of ancient civilisations is given such credence.
And you even get the Latin wrong, publicly and internationally. The quid/quod stuff confused me at first, when I was about 19.
Ah, “Dr.” Porgie I wouldn’t send even my cat to be treated by you, and he’s a very religious cat. Huge faith in Elijah and everything. He has a particular soft spot for Jeremiah and for tickling behind the ears while I read Leviticus to him.
@Vincent
What is faith?
See GP’s definition.
David…..I saw it and do not subscribe to that notion.
SO WHAT DO YOU SUBSCRIBE TO VINCENT?
WHAT DO YOU CALL IT?
WHAT DO YOU HOPE FOR?
Chuckle…..until such time as the path becomes defined…..Nothing.
“David”, on 09/01/2014 at 5:36 pm, poses a question to Vincent.
Here it is: “@Vincent. What is faith? See GP’s definition.”
The world is desperate to hear Vince’s reply, so we’re hoping it’s a good one.
Universe waiting with bated (not “baited”) breath. It’s all on you, Vince.
3… 2 … 1 … Go!
The idiot SHOUTING MAN WHOSE KEYBOARD IS PERMANENTLY LOCKED INTO CAPS LOCK ON poses a question to Vince.
Here’s the question: “WHAT DO YOU HOPE FOR?”
We can’t speak for Vince, but just speaking for ourselves we can say that we don’t want to BE SHOUTED AT by a dickbrain who believes in an invisible guy in the sky, an invisible guy in the sky invented to explain to bronze-age desert nomads why epilepsy is demonic possession. And we don’t want to be SHOUTED AT by someone who claims to be a doctor and who would explain Tay-Sachs to a grieving mother as part of some plan devised by the invisible sky-god of bronze-age desert nomads.
And we don’t WANT TO BE TREATED AS MORONS WHO’LL ACCEPT THAT books written for bronze-age desert nomads have even the slightest comfort to offer to the millions of children now dying of acute lymphoblastic leukemia, or to the millions of parents already mourning their children.
Hey, “Dr” Porgie? Want to quote some more Proverbs at us? Maybe you want to try Lamentations.
Empirical evidence, overwhelmingly abound throughout the course of human history, that the Almighty God of historic divine Revelation, according to His* Word, the Bible IS* True, ALIVE, and absolutely Omnipotently REAL; attested to by multiplied MILLIONS of persons from every kind of ethic background, and GROWING DAILY across the world, from Africa, China, Russia, the Middle East, yes, with THOUSANDS of Muslims, even some extreme Islamist Jihadist coming to KNOW the Lord Jesus Christ as personal Saviour and Lord; South America as well, and many other countries; with AMAZING testimonies, miracles included IN, BY, and THROUGH the Name of Jesus; even the DEAD are being raised in His Name in Africa, entirely consistant WITH WHAT His Word the Bible SAID, would happen, BY FAITH, in His Name.
Fact become credible FACTS, when they are WARRANTED to the relevant degree of certainty.
Therefore, ‘Faith IS the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.” (Heb, 11:1)
Oh, Zoe, there is so much hanging on the rusty hinge of your final “therefore” that you’re just telling us outright that you’re an idiot.
We’re sorry about that.
But remember in 2007 when you were predicting that the world is going to end next Tuesday? And remember that it didn’t happen? Did that utter failure of Armageddon to arrive affect your “faith”? Will it be next Tuesday?
I’m only asking because I’ve arranged to get my car serviced on Wednesday, and it’d be a bitch if my Toyota was in such a dirty state that it couldn’t be raptured on the right date.
Cars can be raptured right, Zoe? Especially Toyotas? I’m going to have my Toyota in heaven, right, Zoe? That’s correct, right? Zoe??!! Is ya wid ma on dis?????
Faith is explaining the unexplainableable and believing it to be true….
Robert Ross | 09/01/2014 at 5:21 am |
“Honour your father and mother’
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
… there is another part in the New Testament about what parents , at least fathers should do as well!!
It is a two way street.
“THOUSANDS of Muslims, even some extreme Islamist Jihadist coming to KNOW the Lord Jesus Christ as personal Saviour and Lord; South America as well, and many other countries; with AMAZING testimonies, miracles included IN, BY, and THROUGH the Name of Jesus; even the DEAD are being raised in His Name in Africa,”
Zoe please go and take your meds. You are hallucinating real bad!
Jesus Christ IS NOT MY GOD AND SAVIOUR ! PUT THAT IN YOU PIPE AND SMOKE IT ZOE AND GP!
1 Timothy Chapter 4
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
7
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
11 These things command and teach.
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16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
JESUS IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MEN- HIS SALVIFIC WORK IS EFFICAOUS ONLY TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE!
BELIEVERS ONLY NEED TO PROCLAIM THESE TRUTHS IN SEASON AND OUT OF SEASON AND TEACH SOUND DOCTRINE AS THEY RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH
2 Timothy Chapter 4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
The demented are out in full force!
Ok, some people have a problem with the Bible …..so what about Wikipedia ….. do some people believe what that has to say?
“Christianity is now one of the most widely practiced religions in Africa. There has been tremendous growth in the number of Christians in Africa – coupled by a relative decline in adherence to African Traditional Religion. Only nine million Christians were in Africa in 1900, but by the year 2000, there were an estimated 380 million Christians. According to a 2006 Pew Forum on Religion and Public life study, 147 million African Christians were “renewalists” (Pentecostals and Charismatics).[13] According to David Barrett, most of the 552,000 congregations in 11,500 denominations throughout Africa in 1995 are completely unknown in the West.[14] Much of the recent Christian growth in Africa is due to African evangelism rather than European missionaries. Christianity in Africa shows tremendous variety, from the ancient forms of Oriental Orthodox Christianity in Egypt, Ethiopia, and Eritrea to the newest African-Christian denominations of Nigeria, a country that has experienced large conversion to Christianity in recent times. Several syncretistic and messianic sections have formed throughout much of the continent, including the Nazareth Baptist Church in South Africa and the Aladura churches in Nigeria. There are also fairly widespread populations of Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Some experts predict the shift of Christianity’s center from the European industrialized nations to Africa and Asia in modern times. Yale University historian Lamin Sanneh stated that “African Christianity was not just an exotic, curious phenomenon in an obscure part of the world, but that African Christianity might be the shape of things to come.”[15] The statistics from the World Christian Encyclopedia (David Barrett) illustrate the emerging trend of dramatic Christian growth on the continent and supposes, that in 2025 there will be 633 million Christians in Africa.[16]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Africa
It used to be said 64 million Frenchmen can’t be wrong ….. so what about 10 X that number of Africans?
It is what it is!!
The majority of mankind needs a crutch…..religion/belief system offers that.
DOES NOT GOVERNMENTS, PHILOSOPHERS, WISE MEN AND SAGES DO THE SAME
1 TIM 410 TEACHES THAT CHRIST IS SUFFICIENT FOR ALL
BUT EFFICIENT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
@ Vincent Haynes
The majority of mankind needs a crutch…..religion/belief system offers that.
The majority of mankind needs many crutches….. Like air to breath, water to drink, sunshine, sleep, belonging…..and as you say, a belief system.
Perhaps it is a consequence of design.
Perhaps it is the methodology applied by whatever higher intelligence has been behind the conceptualization of the experience we have come to know as life on earth, to focus our attention in areas of real import.
You are no fool…. You must know that just because you may not understand the applicability of Gauss-Seidel’s method of solving multiple simultaneous equations does not in itself, make those who do retards……
Indeed the reality may be diametrically opposite 🙂
Bush Tea | 10/01/2014 at 11:59 am |
@ Vincent Haynes
The majority of mankind needs a crutch…..religion/belief system offers that.
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It’s called HOPE!!
@BT….Chuckle…..To each his/her/it own
@John……Why do we need/desire HOPE….to what end???
HEBREWS 6: 18&19
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
It is NOT hope….hope is blind wishful thinking….you ‘hope’ to win the LOTTO
It is called FAITH…..or VISION…
Where there is none……. 🙂
Those without it are sure to perish. …ya mean everyone does not know that ANY kind of success B E G I N S with vision (faith)…?
Here is a puzzle.
How come there are Bajans who don’t know about Hope when there are places called Hope all over Barbados?
Hope Plantation in Christ Church and St. Lucy
Strong Hope in St. Thomas
Small Hope in St. Peter and St. John
In Hope in St. James
Where did these names come from?
Can you add any more?
Perhaps there were actually Bajans a long time ago who understood and lived in hope!!
Perhaps evolution works backwards in Barbados!!
Jesus H. Christ on a unicorn, Dr. Porgie. Your arguments, if they even merit the description “arguments”, are a futile exercise in self-generating circularity. It’s an endless feedback-loop of pointlessness.
It’s as if somebody read “Alice in Wonderland” and said to you, “well, I don’t really believe that someone could follow a rabbit down a rabbit hole, and then arrive in a place populated by a talking caterpillar, a gryphon, a mock turtle and a very weird hatter.”
At which point you pull out a copy of “Alice in Wonderland” and start quoting from it at length. “See? It’s all here, written down in this book. It must be true.”
At which point your interlocutor says, “see, that’s what I’m saying. I don’t think there really is a gryphon down a rabbit hole that anyone can get into.”
So you brandish your battered copy of “Alice in Wonderland” and start quoting from it at length, as if that makes any kind of point or any kind of sense.
Look, man. You can believe in whatever kind of nonsense you want. But keep it to yourself, OK? Keep it within the family or within whichever tribal gathering you have to attend regularly for your recommended weekly allowance of myth-based ritual. Doesn’t bother me at all. But the very second that your belief system spurs your idiot fellow-travelers to refer to any other human being as an “abomination” (just as one tiny example), then we’re going to need to have a very serious conversation.
I am my brother’s keeper. The best thing ever written. And your Book doesn’t even offer it as an assertion, merely as a question. But, even in its context in your Book, the answer is obviously supposed to be yes. I am my brother’s keeper. Your Book got its one, unassailable truth out of the way within the first ten pages. It was all downhill after that, especially all that Leviticus bollocks.
BT
THE WORD TRANSLATED “HOPE” IN THE KJV IS BETTER TRANSLATED ASSURANCE. IT HAS NOTHING WITH THE WORD AS WE USE IT. I HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE RACES. I HOPE MY WIFE COOKS ME A LOVELY DINNER ETC
WONDER WHY WE SING BLESSED ASSURANCE
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
TITUS 2: 13-14
If religion was co-opted to manipulate armies in medieval times is it not reasonable to believe that the same manipulation has continued through the ages?
And that eternal and peerless fount of seasoned wisdom “Bush Tea” intervenes:
“Perhaps it is a consequence of design. Perhaps it is the methodology applied by whatever higher intelligence has been behind the conceptualization of the experience we have come to know as life on earth.”
It would be interesting to do a search on BU archives for the term “begs the question”. I’d guess it’s been used about a million times on BU, and I’d guess that it was used wrongly about, say, a million times. It doesn’t mean the same as “raises the question”.
Here, peerless and seasoned sage “Bush Tea” provides a perfect example of what it really means to “beg the question”. He indicates a question with his “perhaps”, but in its own assertion the question assumes a conclusion that has not been demonstrated. It assumes itself to be true, and proceeds from there. This is a logical fallacy that marks much of the circular reasoning affecting those beset by religious faith. “Dr.” Porgie is probably the most prominent exponent of this kind of circular reasoning on BU.
But we wish “Bush Tea” and “Dr. Porgie well, just as long as they keep this bollocks to themselves and don’t start referring to any of my brethren as “abominations”. That’s the kind of thinking that leads to the Middle Passage, and to Sobibor, and to Sabra and Shatila.
@Jack Bowman | 10/01/2014 at 6:35 pm |
We are glad to see you have learned (or is it learnt like “fount” instead of font?) your lesson of the need to focus on critici(s)ing the nonsense passing for intellectual food instead of ‘nit-picking’ (to be questioned by some) for grammatical perfection.
You have now gained a passing grade and can be promoted.
Keep it up, Jack!
The Secret
The Secret
One day, one friend asked another,
‘ How is it that you are always so happy?
You have so much energy,
And you never seem to get down.. ‘
With her eyes smiling, she said,
‘ I know the Secret! ‘
‘ What secret is that? ‘
To which she replied,
I’ll tell you all about it,
But you have to promise to
Share the Secret with others. ‘
‘ The Secret is this:
I have learned there is little I can do
In my life that will make me truly happy
I must depend on God to make
Me happy and to meet my needs.
When a need arises in my life,
I have to trust God to supply
According to HIS riches.
I have learned most of the time
I don ‘ t need half of what I think I do.
He has never let me down.
Since I learned that ‘ Secret ‘ , I am happy.’
The questioner ‘ s first thought was,
‘ That ‘ s too simple! ‘
But upon reflecting over her own life
She recalled how she thought a bigger house
Would make her happy, but it didn’t!
She thought a better paying job
Would make her happy, but it hadn’t..
When did she realize her greatest happiness?
Sitting on the floor with her grandchildren,
Playing games, eating pizza or reading a story,
A simple gift from God.
Now you know it too!
We can’t depend on people to make us happy.
Only GOD in His infinite wisdom can do that.
Trust HIM!
And now I pass the Secret on to you!
So once you get it, what will you do?
YOU have to tell someone the Secret, too!
That GOD in His wisdom will take care of YOU!
But it ‘ s not really a secret…
We just have to believe it and do it…
Really trust God!
I just did and hope you will too.
That’s the kind of thinking that leads to the Middle Passage, and to Sobibor, and to Sabra and Shatila.
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So tell me again how following the teachings of the Bible and believing in its truth lead to these abominations?
I must have missed something in my reading of history!!
What truths are u speaking of sir. like the fable of an oldman called Noah build an ark .that sailed a flooded world forty days and forty nights with an inhabitation of every creature on earth…or the one where a “whale swallowed a human being and deposited him on the sea shore. or where jesus walk on water……can u explain these truths or does one have to use “vision” or faith” to understand……
@ GP
There are bound to be issues when we use words that clearly do not convey the intended meaning after translation.
No doubt you are aware that the Holy Spirit is variously given the pronoun ‘he’, ‘it’,’ itself’ – depending on the mood of the translator.
On the subject of the blog, however, the writer is of course exactly correct, in that coordinated, high level steps have been in place for some time now, to undermine the fundamental spiritual foundations that underpin true success in life across our world.
It is also true that in the last 25 years or so, such undermining has been accelerated – largely as outlined above.
How else can it be intelligently explained how, at a time of unprecedented education. knowledge, communication technology, science, medical advances, wealth, transport, …..our world is beset with failures of frightening magnitudes and people everywhere are worried, stressed, unhappy to the point of wishing for the “good old days” (when science was less advanced and things were much harder)…?
There is a way that SEEMS right to ordinary bowls, but the end thereof is the way of death. We cannot expect simpletons to be able to decipher these things that “seem right” – but which have been surely leading us to our collective demise….
LOL ….so you are excused Islandgal 🙂
Truth OBTAINS when reality IS* the WAY* a proposition represents it to be!
The structure of JUSTIFICATION, in defending any propositional TRUTH CLAIM, IS* coherence, coherence IS* our sole criterion for establishing TRUTH!
The Historic Judeo/christian World View, is the ONLY religious World View that is systematically validated by:
1) Logically Consistency
2) Empirical Adequacy
3) Experiential Relevancy
Secondly, and intricately connected to the above criteria for validity, every system must demonstrate deal with and answer to, the following questions:
1) Origin of Life
2) Meaning of Life
3) Morality
4) Destiny
Again, the theistic Christian World view, is the ONLY one that convincingly demonstrates and sustains to, the above questions, unparalleled with any other religious World view.
Coherence is found throughout God’s Word, the Bible, confirmed by the empirical evidence, throughput the course of human history.
It has NEVER failed to be accurate in its prophetic pronouncements, from the Old Testament era, right through to the New Testament, right UP UNTIL the very time period we are living in right NOW!
Only Scoffers, mockers, and intellectually dishonest people, use ignorant ‘Red-herring’ distractive rhetoric, because they CANNOT* refute the FACTS and EVIDENCE, they have NONE!
THE ISSUES OUTLINED IN THE TOPIC OF THE BLOG AND THE REASONS THEREFORE ARE CLEARLY SEEN ALL AROUND US
It is OBVIOUSLY true that in the last 25 years or so, such undermining has been accelerated – largely as outlined above.
Chuckle…..BT….I cannot believe a fellow Cawmerian wrote what you just wrote…..
doesn;t “truth regulate facts and the Truth is that some stoties in the ‘Good ole Book” failed the truth test miserably given all the sound empirical scientific knoweldge and evidence available ……. stories such as ‘Noahs ark surviving a world flood and a man living in the belly of a whale one can correctly assumed are untruth,,, ,,,
David | 10/01/2014 at 9:39 pm |
If religion was co-opted to manipulate armies in medieval times is it not reasonable to believe that the same manipulation has continued through the ages?
OF COURSE DAVID
WE HAVE THE SAME DEVIL AROUND NOW AS BACK THEN
We read in 2 Corinthians 4:4 …….In whom the god of this world [i.e Satan]hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
@ David
..and why would religion NOT have been used (and continue to be used) in war?
Don’t we use our best leaders in war?
Don’t we use our best brains?
Don’t we put our best resources in war?
Why does the fact that something was put to bad use suggest that it is flawed? Most of the advanced science that we know was CREATED for war….
@ Vincent
…who is this “fellow Cawmerian” of whom you speak…? …and to what do you refer that was written…?
@ Zoe
HUH?
@ ac
Hush do! 🙂
This link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYWySG8Mcs is worth watching.
It is a documentary on the first translation of the New Testament from Greek to English in 1526 and its first appearance in England.
Out of HOPE springs Content.
To help with the puzzle I set, see how many instances of place names in Barbados exist called CONTENT.
BT…..I recall you admonishing Alvin to hush(which I agreed with) as a fellow Cawmerian….so are you one or not?
John….If one starts with a false premise,ones entire argument will be flawed.
Guess what Americans are doing MORE now that they have to spend more times indoors because of the cold weather.
http://www.businessinsider.com/pornhub-milks-its-own-traffic-data-2014-1
Out of HOPE springs CONTENT leading to HARMONY and FRIENDSHIP among people.
Its all to do with the Golden Rule.
http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCBMAPS~1~1~3985~102063:C-7505
Use the above map of Barbados for 1827 and you should be able to complete the puzzle!!
Once you understand, ask yourself why there are so many place names in Barbados in which the word ROCK is used!!
Vincent, try the puzzle and see if there is not a preponderance of evidence!!
reward has played a dominant role in people behaviour and so it is too with the church and the christian mind……challenge and reward goes hand in hand with great effectiveness so is it too with those in the church whose objective is to have eternal life as the ultimate reward… what if that promised was not made the probabilty that few would attend church is real.
ac | 12/01/2014 at 12:03 am |
reward has played a dominant role in people behaviour and so it is too with the church and the christian mind……challenge and reward goes hand in hand with great effectiveness so is it too with those in the church whose objective is to have eternal life as the ultimate reward… what if that promised was not made the probabilty that few would attend church is real.
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Believe it or not, these Bajans who stamped their beliefs on the landscape of Barbados through place names that exemplified those beliefs, did not go to Church …. at least not the Anglican Church!!
The mortal remains of many of these Bajans can be found all over Barbados, buried in fields and on hills, …. none of these burials even remotely connected with the Anglican Church.
Some were buried in the Churchyard.
It isn’t the Church that offers the reward of eternal life ….. it is God’s grace at play …. and it isn’t a reward, it is a free gift … what could we do to deserve such a free gift?
Anyone, church member or not can avail himself/herself of this free gift.
the plan of GOD was for ‘Eternal life” could it not be an Eternal life being one with GOD Spirtually one that is spiritually rewarding and fulfilling forever ……death can defeat the physical but cannot defeat the Spirtual…….or can it……the church has focus much HOPE on physical or reincarnation of the body ,,,,,,but seems to place little emphasis on the spiritual reward of having eternal life,,,,,whereby the eternal spirit breathes new life into or mortal souls after the body succumbs to death….,
LOL @ Vincent
So when you said you can’t believe “a fellow Cawmerian wrote what Bushie wrote” …you actually meant that you can’t believe that Bushie, as a fellow Cawmerian wrote what he wrote …..(and NOT that some fellow Cawmerian ??? ALSO wrote what Bushie wrote…)
LOL gotcha!!
BTW
Where did you dig up that Alvin evidence? Despite many extensive connections, Bushie has been at pains to neither confirm or deny any membership of your illustrious alma mata….. Perhaps a spiritual fellowship was intended with Alvin… LOL Ha Ha
The church needs to remove itself from the physical …a physical that have not as yet been able to deliver anything worthwhile or longstanding and focus on the restoration of the inner man that dwell within us… the spirtual man one that can only have eternal life……
Spirituality which is how humans connect interact with our space has nothing to do with what the Church teaches neither is it equipped to do so. The Church is an exponent of a dogma which is faith based.
David i can tell that u never went to church……man is connected physical and spirutual..the church.s role is to plant and implement sufficient food in the spirtual. however the church has become disconnect from the spiritual in its effort to please the physical .
If you say so ac, first of all you need to define ‘went to church’.
David | 12/01/2014 at 12:14 pm |
re The Church is an exponent of a dogma which is faith based.
actually the church ought not to be holding on to any DOGMA BUT TO TEACHING DOCTRINE AS TAUGHT IN THE EPISTLES TO TIMOTHY
However whtaever the church is teaching it is evident that it.s teaching is not sufficiently structed in teaching man the necessity of obtaining eternal life is rooted in the foundation of a spiritual and rewarding life…. and not found in a pie in the sky mentality
DAVID
YOU WILL NOTE THAT THE EARLY CHURCH—–NOT THE SEVERAL BREAKAWAY DENOMINATIONS PUT A GREAT EMPHASIS ON DOCTRINE AS PARTICULARLY EMPHASIZED IN THE PASTORAL EPISTLES TO TIMOTHY AND TITUS
• Acts 2:42 KJV
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
• 1 Timothy 1:3 KJV
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine ,
• 1 Timothy 1:10 KJV
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
• 1 Timothy 4:6 KJV
If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained .
• 1 Timothy 4:13 KJV
Till I come , give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
• 1 Timothy 4:16 KJV
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
• 1 Timothy 5:17 KJV
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
• 1 Timothy 6:1 KJV
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed .
• 1 Timothy 6:3 KJV
If any man teach otherwise , and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
• 2 Timothy 3:10 KJV
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
• 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
• 2 Timothy 4:2 KJV
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove , rebuke , exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
• 2 Timothy 4:3 KJV
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
• Titus 1:9 KJV
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers .
• Titus 2:1 KJV
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
• Titus 2:7 KJV
In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
• Titus 2:10 KJV
Not purloining , but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
THE CHURCH WAS TO START OF WITH THE DOCTRINE USING IT TO HELP THEM TO GROW THIER FAITH—–THE MAIN TEACHING OF HEBREWS
• Hebrews 6:1 KJV
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
THE PROBLEM WITH MOST CHURCH GROUPS TODAY IS THE EMPHASIS ON PROMOTING THEIR DOGMA AT THE EXPENSE OF DOCTRINE
John…
Evidence of what????
I re-iterate if ones premise is false,ones dissertation has to be flawed.
BT….
Research it……I rest my case…..QED
David…
I believe you are referring to becoming at one with Mother Earth.
Continuous quoting from a book does not not make it a fact,unless the book is verified and no historical narrative can be 100% proven.
Why would any one want eternal life?
@GP
Not understanding why you are stressing doctrine over dogma. Isn’t dogma not defined as a collection of doctrines?
The point being made to ac is that religious based spirituality should not be confused with a general spirituality which any individual can find, religious of not. Of course this point will not be grasped
MR HAYNES
ARE SKAKESPEARES WRITINGS VERIFIED?
GP….NO
David | 12/01/2014 at 1:14 pm |
@GP
Not understanding why you are stressing doctrine over dogma. Isn’t dogma not defined as a collection of doctrines?
DOCTRINE IS TEACHING HANDED DOWN BY JESUS TO THE APOSTLES AND THEREON AS DESCRIBED IN THE NT- MAINLY THE EPISTLES
DOGMA IS OPINIONS HELD BY A PARTICULAR GROUP. SUCH OPINIONS ARE USUALLY IN SHARP CONTRAST TO THE DOCTRINE
E.G FORCING FOLK TO WORSHIP ON SATURDAYS
PROSPERITY GOSPEL BASED ON TOTAL MISINTERPRETATION OF 3 JOHN 1-3 ETC
DOGMA IS NOT DOCTRINE AT ALL!
DOGMA IS THE CAUSE OF THE CONFUSION IN THE PROFESSING CHURCH AND THE REASON FOR THE SEVERAL DENOMINATIONS
DOGMA HAS AT ITS AUTHOR AND EPICENTER THE DEVIL
@ GP
Lol…man don’t make sport….
You mean, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, dogma is…..and doctrine is… Etc
Wuh obviously David is right that every religious group has its own version of doctrines that represents its dogma.
LOL
For example you and Zoe persists with this ridiculous doctrine that God is some “trinity”….a nonsense whose origin is well documented and whose influence on the unknowing has been devastating.
Don’t you think that Jesus would have known better than to hand down such a stupid doctrine…?
@ Vincent
Bushie watching you with deep suspicion yuh….
“Why would anyone want eternal life?” Is a VERY reasonable question indeed….
One wonders how GP’s doctrines would address such a question…. 🙂
BT…
I hope your BBE not into this eternal life thing,because you would have serious probs using your weedwacker with all those people like GP in your way more people than grass,unless that is the plan to keep wacking them for eternity…..lol.
@ actually Vincent, (and only because you raised the issue 🙂 ) in absolute terms, the phrase “eternal life” is tautology.
In fact, this limited existence that you (we) call “life” is nothing but a temporary project, designed for a VERY SPECIFIC purpose, and which has been loosely modeled on a MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL reality.
LOL
If by eternal life we meant more of the same of this shitty existence few persons (and no intelligent ones) would have any interest in more than 100 or so years of such “life” …at the very most….
On the other hand, if you had ANY IDEA of what REAL LIFE entailed, you would happily “die” for the opportunity… LOL Ha Ha…
BT AND VINCENT
YOU TWO CAN CARRY ON
IM OUTA HERE
BYE
The difference between dogma and doctrine is apparent in the clip about the translation of the New Testament in 1526 by Tindale.
Tindale followed Martin Luther’s lead and read the Bible in its original language so he could get at the doctrine.
He gave us a translation which anyone can read and get at the doctrine for themselves.
It conflicted with the dogma of the Roman Catholic church which rewarded him for his efforts by burning him at the stake.
…… but, he grasped the doctrine from his own efforts and believed.
This link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYWySG8Mcs is worth watching about Tindale.
By now somebody should have twigged that the people who left their mark indelibly on the landscape of Barbados were the Quakers.
This is one of the many non-conformist groups that arose in England once the Bible became available to anyone in England in English after 1526.
It took time, in the case of the Quakers, until 1648.
The very thing the Roman Catholic church feared and for which Tindale was burnt at the stake by the church came to pass.
More and more people read the Bible and formed their own interpretation of the doctrine. They no longer relied on the church.
The Roman Catholic and Anglican churches that were based on dogma fought tooth and nail to stop the spread of the doctrine …. but they never had a chance.
No longer was eternal life viewed as a dispensation of the church.
It takes a little reading and viewing of history to appreciate the difference between dogma and doctrine.
The historical evidence is there if we care to look, in our case in Barbados, right under our very noses.
What happened GP?
Kitchen getting too hot…?
Well don’t send Zoe, cause the last time we went at this trinity thing he found himself tripping all over his own two hands… (Typing…) 🙂
LOL
Trying to explain how Jesus “could not have really been God …..”(since his dying would mess up the Trinity doctrine)… So he had to be a “God-Man” …whatever THAT is….so that the ‘man part’ died – while the ‘God part’ kept his precious Trinity alive …..Ha Ha Ha
…..so if you leaving PLEASE take Zoe with you, cause Bushie ain’t in the mood to mek that kinda sport today…
BT….
How you could go and chase GP just so…
Feel free to hypothesize as much as you want,I may even join you on some of these flights of fancy from time to time……but we must understand it is mere conjecture.
JoHn…
When will you understand that what you keep using as the basis for your discussion lacks credibility….the history book you keep referring to came from many languages and over many centuries…
You is a real gallows bait though Vincent.
How you know it ain’t you that run GP? He and Bushie was getting on very well till you gone and push in your mouth…. 🙂
And how the hell you mean we must understand it is mere conjecture? …you ain’t the same man that just said that if you start wrong you gotta end wrong…? …and you wanna start with conjecture…?
@ John
Why don’t you leave this stuff alone nuh? Wuh you feel you know as much history, Latin, Greek and exegesis as Zoe? …or GP? Understanding this thing ain’t got one thing to do with history or with language translation…. It is ONLY understood via a special key called “ASK”…..Ask Seek and Knock…. 🙂
The Catholic Church is indeed the mother of them all….. but the daughters ain’t any better either.
BT…
That is why I said we can hypothesize as much as we want,because we know it is all conjecture and not leading to a conclusion…….how have I differed???
@Vincent
Therefore you or anyone cannot speak in absoliutes, it is a faith thing.
David…..you are correct we cannot speak in absolutes……Faith is an absolute.
@Vincent
Faith is absolute for any individual of course. The point being it does NOT have to your absolute.
john don’t let the egotistical jack as,, BT , daunt your spirit,or intimidate you. , do not be shy share your view,,,,,,,,,,that is a policy of BU….BT has become a modern day lonely town crier,,,, and a peddle pusher of antiquated and outdated philosophy,,, still waiting and waiting for a BBE to hacked everyone to death……
……………………………………………………………………………………………………….. the church needs to teach the truth and the meaning of
Eternal LIFE and stop preaching and teachimg a falsehood based on physical life after death,,,,,,,,many have died but those who have been privileged to have eternal life still live on in the many good works and deeds they did on this earth ,,,jesus is the perfect example and many others who have left a giant footprint in the minds and hearts for generations to come moving heaven and hell making sure that they loved there brother equally or more than they love themselves some have been martyred and crucified in a similar manner as christ,,,,yes jesus was the perfect example given to man and man response was one of hero worship towards him …the one teaching in the good ole book which gives such insight to.spiritual life after death is ..’Though he is dead yet shall he live..a philosophy …which translates into an immediate resurrection of the soul after the body dies and transforming the spiritual soul of those who have not lived an immoral life into life everlasting…