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Hooliganism, Bullying, Intimidation, Moral Decay

All of the above, in my opinion aptly describe an experience I had recently. I remember in my youth and even to this day hearing persons muse about the fact that Barbadians are a docile people. One of the favourite things we like to say in times of despair is “if Bajans were like Jamaicans, the things that happen here, would not happen”. I assume that by quoting this statement, we are implying that we are a more tolerant society. Ask persons who have been victims of intolerance, if this is so and I guarantee they would not agree.

The moral decay that is endemic in our society, is not a new phenomenon. There have been incidents of violence, hooliganism, bullying, and intimidation for decades. What we are brilliant at, is sweeping it under the carpet or applying a band-aid on an open sore and hoping it would heal.

One of my favourite quotes is “All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing”. I live by this principle and one other, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. These are lessons learnt as a young impressionable child and they have stuck with me for 35years.

I own and operate a Boutique in Speightstown, St. Peter. On the morning of December 16th, 2013, while assisting a client, a ‘Lady’ entered the store and asked, “Is this Josephine’s Boutique?” I replied in the affirmative and she informed me that she had a delivery for me. I finalized the transaction with my client, all the while oblivious the other activity going on in the store.

I finally had a chance to speak to the ’Lady’, who was waiting on me in the store, this time accompanied by another ‘gentleman’, so I approached them to find out about said delivery. I was greeted by a HUGE box of garbage, with Josephine’s Boutique written on the outside. I immediately recognized the box, since I had put it in the garbage disposal area at the mall where I work the previous week and it had been collected on Thursday of same week. After my initial shock, I asked both of them, why did they bring a box of garbage and put it in my store. The ‘Lady’ responded in a sneering tone, “it was on my property so I brought it back”. They wanted no explanation or had any more time to converse with me. Their mission was completed and they huffed and puffed, got in their vehicles and drove off.

Again, their behaviour can only be described in the terms I listed at the beginning of this letter. Common sense, rational thought, decency, professionalism, respect, morals, principles all went south for the winter in this situation. Garbage is collected from one location, it obviously falls of the truck at another location and instead of reacting rationally, this ‘Lady’ and two ‘thugs’, drive to my store in Speightstown and dump the HUGE box of filthy garbage, in my store because the box says ‘Josephine’s Boutique’ on the outside. Bear in mind, everyone else in the mall has thrown garbage in the box since it was the biggest one in the disposal area.

This is an open sore, and no amount of band-aids will heal it. Who does such things, unless they feel that they can get away with it because we Bajans are ‘docile’ and we like to sweep things under the carpet? No more!!!! It takes a tiny pebble to start a big ripple in the ocean. I am that pebble.


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531 responses to “‘Lady’ Mary-Anne Williams is it really you?”


  1. All of this talk we are hearing of getting out the Glock and shooting people. Perhaps we should have passed today by the Coral Ridge Cemetery,and we would have heard all day, and many other days , for that matter, continual gunfire coming from the Clay Pigeon Club . These are the people, Sargeant, who really have the firepower,and marksmanship to equip a Regiment. In fact, I have always described these exclusive gun clubs collectively as a Private Army in constant training, for the day when our Glock tooting brothers, who can’t hit a horse’s ass with a shovel, furthermore shoot someone other than in the back, decide to revised 26 July 1937.


  2. Piss and shit in every alley in Bridgetown, and I cannot hear a fellow complaining,even when he step in the bastard .


  3. I guess the Erroll Barrow Gun Club follows the same categorization.

    Some real “heavy rollers” were members in their day of that club of “Swamp Bird Shooters”!!


  4. @ Jeff

    It is not our contention that you are personally interested or do we see you as a personal target. The reverse is true. We were having a robust dialectic on an issue on the day. We were and are targeting the legal profession more broadly. You are trained to deal with the letter of the law. And we respect that. We are trained as social scientists. We humbly submit that there are issues here that go beyond the mere interpretation of law.

    On the opinion tendered we have stated clearly that we are not liked minded and suggested what we would have done were we the target of the infringement of rights. And this does not mean we have any animus toward you, personally. Again the reverse is true. We get legal opinions all the time and our job is to choose what we accept or reject. For us no law, alone, can be the end all. The law is imperfect. Unfortunately, in this case we refused to be guided by you. And would of done what we determined without a reference to your judgment, before or after, and bear any and all consequences with determination.

    To us, when we combine your advice on the Trayvon Martin issue alone with this one it seems to us that your general trajectory, and maybe that of the law, as you see it, leaves a possible client checkmated or overly dependent on the law for the protection of life and property. We can never be subject to that determination no matter how well intentioned or which court may agree with you, after the fact. For there are issues here that go beyond the competence of any court or legal opinion anywhere. We are not here to serve any court or law on the assumption that basic rights are to be not equally recognized with equality. The reverse is and should be true. We assert the right to protect self and property using all means necessary.

    Jeff, I have only now seen your additional comment. But will publish response any way


  5. First of all Lisa I can’t tell you the number of time I’ve woken up to see a dead cat or dead dog in my gap, or cigarette butts or sweetie papers near to my driveway.

    With the dead animals I did a hole and bury the poor things. It takes just a few minutes. With the small trash, I pick them up and add them to my garbage bags which I place in the my bin.

    But I am a good neighbour.

    @Lisa 28/12/2013 at 6:11 am ” Someone of that stature? ”

    Simple Simon responds: What stature what?

    @Lisa There is something wrong with us.

    There is nothing wrong with us. I am certainly no part of a bad behaved us. Most of us are fine. A few of them (the bad behaved crew) have embarrassingly poor manners.

    @LisaWe are too hostile and are too quick to do the wrong thing.

    The Simple Siimon responds: Most of us are not hostile. Most of us are not angry. Most of us are fine people

    @Lisa My reason for exposing this, is to show everyone how those we place on pedestals.

    The Simple Simon places nobody on a pedalstal.

    If a person behave badly it tell you something very important about them.

    All that said is seems to me that there is a need for a better collection and disposal of commercial garbage in Speightstown.


  6. You plan to let everyone know how simple minded you are John?

    Don’t you see that Jeff and everyone else but you and ac get the point that Bushie was making… Jeff explained the difference as he sees it between what happened to Lisa and what Bushie suggested..

    …and you have NO idea what Bushie does…
    ….Wuh you could wuk a whacker?


  7. @ Simple Simon

    Simply unbelievable!!! your comment about all that has transpired is that there is a need for better garbage collection systems in Speightstown.

    You mekking sport!! I would have thought that you were being sarcastic were it not for the fact that you spoke about what you do/did in circumstances when people dump things around your premises and i got the impression that you might be suggesting that Lisa does the same, all peaceable and polite-like.

    Where you live again? I know some people who would love you, they would take pleasure to leave them house wid de trunk of them car fill up wid garbage and come by you, seriously!!

    Every now and again you have to stand up for something, be it giving up your seat in a bus cause white folk tell you so, or throwing tea into the harbour.

    For all we know Lisa’s action might be the tilting point in how Bajans dump their garbage indiscriminately and Charles Leacock might put some Elasta Curlr in he hair dem and carry his $cvnt (that is guyanese for the Bajan cuss word for female rabbit) down to court and start criminal proceedings againg Lady Hoggie, but then again, if pigs had wings beggars would fly…


  8. Simple answer, Jeff. Assault. Easy to prove by the presence of the goons. And please do not waste your time and effort trying to dispute this with me, because you know perfectly well that I am right.


  9. @ Amused
    You are mostly right. The presence of the goons amount to intimidation and threatening behaviour, both criminal offences.
    But Barbados being Barbados we will talk round this and debate it until the cows (no pun) come home.
    It is all rhetoric for inaction. This is how Barbados operates. Maybe money can’t buy justice, but you can kill your son, import millions of dollars worth of illegal drugs, beat up young lads for being in the wrong districts at the wrong time, and get away Scot free.
    If money can’t buy justice in Barbados, it can go a long way towards it.


  10. @ Pieceuhderock
    Remember, this is SIMPLE simon we are talking about…..
    – Principle?
    – Self Respect?
    – backbone?
    …come on Piece….REALLY!


  11. @ Jeff Cumberbatch

    Is there a real difference between Cave Shepherd and the small boutique in terms of the illegal dumping of rubbish in the store?
    Come on, you cannot be serious. You are playing games. This is not a legal or logical argument.
    I am out of here. The discussion is now silly.


  12. “silly” indeed expect for a few flies like PDYRU and BUSH TEA having an insatiable taste for garbage.


  13. I am still wondering how commercial garbage collected in Speightstown ended up at (I presume) Broomfield in St Lucy. That is not en route to the landfill, so it could be assumed that the company responsible for collecting and disposing of garbage from the mall in Speightstown, is actually dumping it somewhere other than the landfill. I sympathise with Lisa, and this incident is beneath someone like Mary Ann Williams, or anyone for that matter, but some serious questions should be asked of this contractor.


  14. Peltdownman | 02/01/2014 at 10:12 am | Reply

    I am still wondering how commercial garbage collected in Speightstown ended up at (I presume) Broomfield in St Lucy. That is not en route to the landfill, so it could be assumed that the company responsible for collecting and disposing of garbage from the mall in Speightstown, is actually dumping it somewhere other than the landfill. I sympathise with Lisa, and this incident is beneath someone like Mary Ann Williams, or anyone for that matter, but some serious questions should be asked of this contractor
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We are getting close!!


  15. Peltdownman…I totally agree but don’t you think that if Lady COW wanted to get to the bottom of this she would have called Lisa to discuss the problem on hand, then they would have formed a team to go after the culprits? Lady COW should never ASSUME that it was Lisa who dumped garbage on her property.


  16. Getting close hell.

    Why does concern about where the garbage was dumped prempt the issue of this lady placing a box of garbage in Lisa’s store accompanied by two goons?


  17. Because David if a house falls down, you don’t first check the attic for a problem. you check the foundation. I think both women operate businesses in speightstown , this could be as simple as someone dumped the garbage from one business in the dumpster at the other to save travel and cost Since Lisa didn’t talk to the woman it may not have been dumped at her home.


  18. David

    Truckers haul garbage all over Barbados to be dumped!!

    I suspect the destination was a quarry in St. Lucy.

    Google Earth may help you!!

    Now, ask yourself, who operates those quarries in St. Lucy?

    Go to St. Philip and take a look at the filled in quarries there.

    Then take a look at their proximity to Hampton pumping station which after the Belle supplies the most water to Bajan consumers.

    Five hundred plus comments many racist in origin completely miss the fundamental issues at play here.


  19. There was a lecturer at CH who did not like long winded contributions in tutorial class.He listened for a while and if you failed to summarize he would say GET TO THE POINT!And if you didn’t take the hint he would say “GET TO THE EFFING POINT”.
    We can cut to the chase.The Williams woman and her 2 goons have no right doing what they did,in spite of any provocation,perceived or realized.They have in bajan terms ‘No effing class’.


  20. David[BU]

    I used to laught at dem movies where de star boy put on he shoes backwards and walk through de sand to a place, tek dem off, left de tip uh he soe exposed and he hat pun a rock and tippy toe pun de rocks outta dere.

    He den put up he gattling and kill all de ingrunt peoples who did gone to inspect he footprint and he shoes

    Peltdown and John din watch de hole movie but dem is trying a ting heah “do not blame de amn who Killed Trayvon in cold blood, it is the gun manufacturers that we have to blame,” in this case the man contracted to carry way de stuff.

    Lisa you must forgive AC, respectfully she has at least realised that she is on a journey, hopefully towards wisdom, but unfortunatley she only has one oar in the water and try as we may to beat her out of this boat of reasoning with the other one, she is a sucker for punishment.

    I blame you doah David[BU] you brek de promise and now we must suffer through this for 365 more days and possibly beyond.

    I expect that she will come back and tell me something about the time that she has conscribed for me to live, seek to hurry my departure or something equally inane.

    I was going to the DPP Leacock to find out if i cud bring charges against her for threatening to throw me down of of some horse and then kick me around my body late last year, but i must admit that i am not sure if that constitutes a threat of bodily harm or a public nuisance LOL.

    I have a question for the legal beagles among the BU constellation “Would David [BU} putting AC out of the blog, as in “David putting out his cyberspace “garbage” , in a public place – this blog”, make him some sort of a criminal??”


  21. Meanwhile on one of our main highways in and out of Bridgetown…………but who cares?
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/83717797@N04/11712408416/


  22. Five hundred plus comments many racist in origin completely miss the fundamental issues at play here.
    …………………………………………………………………………………..
    Not to worry ! as soon as the next red herring comes along, we will be jumping off this ship. Its just a game of words, so prevalent in Barbados these days.


  23. These comments truly surprise me . Why does everything have to be reduced to color. Arrogance and bad manners comes in all colors. Years ago while working in a very expensive store a very wealthy and well known black lady came in and asked me to hold an item for her. Knowing her reputation for not paying her bills I said I would until the next day as promised to me. You know she never turned up at the appointed time and another client wanted it so I sold it. Well a call for my head was put out with threats to the establishment with legal action. Thank God my employer sided with me and when I see her now she till doesn’t Speak to me and refuses to shop in the shop. I still go out of my way to smile at her and to tell you the truth she is most embarrassed when she bumps into me
    I am sure if it were the black mrs Williams that did this the comments would have been slanted it a totally different and derogatory manner. I think comments from the various anarchists speak more to the state of our society and the hatred and intolerance in many. There is nasty negative attitude that seems to have seeped into the psyche of many barbadians in recent years.too much misplace ego and pride.


  24. bitch get off the blog talking sh,,it…….u condem people for being racist and bigoted on the blog but your story is laced with bigoted and racist rantings , u should be ashamed of yourself for even talking or mentioning it …


  25. Ya know, just looking at that video, I am glad that,for the sake of the lady and her goons that we no longer have men around like Brute Alleyne or Niggah Masiah.


  26. Very interesting thread. Since they are so much comments could not read through all. I did some digging. Found out the owners of the Mall are responsible for the collection of the garbage, which is not done by any garbage company but just some guy with a truck so really no clear expectation that the job will be done properly anyways. There is no proper security at the Mall so it was good Lisa had her cameras in place otherwise this might have gone to naught. Incidentally the owners are white too – has nothing to do with racism.

    How a little thing like garbage on your property could motivate you to come along with the gestapo to dump it back at someone else. Clearly she has the brains, time and money to pull a foolish stunt like that. Could not that same energy be put into just disposing of the garbage unless she believe that Lisa put the box there on purpose.

    How people get so foolish and vicious though, imagine if you had really done her something she would have you bumped off and buried in one of COW’s quarries of in a floor he was pouring.


  27. she would have you bumped off and buried in one of COW’s quarries of in a floor he was pouring.
    ……………………………………………………………….
    And who would have actually done the burying in the quarry or the entombment in the concrete.


  28. had she been bizzy’s black bajan wife the police would be called pudding and souse would be the headlines….Barbados has made her a lady yet we never seen her do anything for our country no charities no causes no community building nothing yet we hear stories of employees being belittled and fired for sitting on her chairs or using her opener with in their plantation house…. this is what we Bajans stand for…sad but true


  29. Barbados didn’t make her a “lady.” By marrying COW she automatically ‘became’ Lady Williams. But ya can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. No ‘lady’ here folks, move along, nothing worth seeing here. Lisa, keep fighting the good fight!


  30. Lisa honey take heart girl you have just joined the most unexclusive club in Bimshire.
    Its members are those insulted by Mrs Cow They cover all strata of society high and low, rich and poor, black and white. Most are inoffensive people like yourself just minding their business
    De wuman don’t have peace with no one
    You have to show a bit of Christian compassion to a woman so miserable that she acts in this common ill-bred way .
    Things sure lookin bad in Bim when knights of the realm hasta send they wimmim to deliver the garbage!

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