GRANTS AND AID ARE THE NEW BRIBES ON THE BLOCK. Their purpose is condition amelioration and not African liberation. They are used to secure the allegiance of allies, and thereby perpetuate the status quo of enslavement without reparations.
GRANTS AND AID AND HISTORY (excerpts from the book “Britain’s Black Debt”)
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Live in the real world. No one is going to turn up in ships and aeroplanes bringing the millions or billions in bank notes some feel they are owed.
It’s a pipe dream and a dead end to nowhere.
Do something useful that is of benefit rather than trying to attach to someone’s coat tails.
As a boy the current topic was that Britain didn’t pay us the proper price for sugar during the war – that went nowhere.
Many years ago here on TV there was a debate between newspaper editors, not specifically to do with so-called reparations but it was one topic brought up by the black editor.
The response it got from one editor with the tacit agreement of the others was “I never enslaved anybody”.
Convince them they owe you anything.
I know they don’t owe me or my family anything and we get on with life just like the millions of other people in Britain and we are better off than many of them, not by handouts but by personal effort.
Many Caribbean islands have joined others around the world to form reparation committees. The world exploited and created great wealth on the backs of Blacks. The heinous act of slavery has given some an advantage as reflected in the ownership ‘wealth’ and the strappings of power which is a consequence. It cannot be forgotten or swept under the carpet. It has to do with going a long way to repair the Black psyche.
From the dawn of mankind up to now as known history records,we have been killing,raping,enslaving and generally being as brutal to each other as possible.All of a sudden we in the 21st century want to hold each other accountable for past deeds…..how far back are we going to go?All of us are dealt our hands let us play them and get on with our life and presently we in the Caribbean have been dealt a great hand,if only we can see it and move forward.
Haynes
With the greatest of respect, the reparations movement is a valid one. Maybe you should sit this one out.
I went to the launch and WAS NOT IMPRESSED by the presence of the Min of Culture who was there to “hear the concerns of the community ..”. Now this is the most tired response by a representative of a type of institution with a history of dragging feet on topics such as these. It was for this reason a waste of time, as it served only as a photo op for the minister (as always), and an opportunity to market two books, one by Commissiong and the other by Beckles
Black Bajans are in no position to “demand” reparations from Britain unless they radically change their own still enslaved mindset.
They first have to admit (like a drunk admitting to being an alcoholic) that they are the descendants of an enslaved people and not of the English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish aristocracy and stop pretending to be more English than the British themselves.
If you ask the average Bajan if he is African he would flatly deny such heritage and foolishly identify himself as West Indian.
Just look how Bajans slavishly follow the many totally irrelevant mores of a bygone period of Victorian culture. From its Westminster system of governance which is adhered to more in the breach than in its observance to the judicial and educational systems long left behind by the British. Even the same religious teachings and strategies used effectively by the British to control the subjects in the colonies of the Victorian Empire have long been abandoned by the real modern British people.
Look at the way Barbadian leaders and the copycat social elite’ dress up’ in clothing totally unsuitable for the tropical environment but done merely to ape what they see Europeans who need to keep warm do. These politicians with poorly fitting “business” suits are the butt of jokes to many white people looking on behind the scenes. The man Jones aka cracking heads and shooting black people is a classic case in point.
Until Barbadians see themselves as people of African descent and carve a mindset not unproductively embedded in a Victorian Britain but one acculturated to tackle the 21st Century challenges Britain would continue to ignore calls for reparations, especially of the monetary kind, from this quarter and would continue to laugh behind the scenes of the theatrical comedy being played out by the former colonized who still feel they are more English than the Irish.
Reparations is a big issue in the Caribbean. In the UK it is not even on the radar.
People can spend any amount of time they like in Reparations Committees but when the case gets presented to the UK Government, they will say all the right words – even apologise for what their ancestors did 8 generations ago – but that will be it.
In saying that, the Government will be representing the views of the vast majority of the people of the UK.
Most people are aware that their ancestors in the late 18th and early 19th Centuries (the tail end of the slavery period) were agricultural labourers working on the land. They therefore don’t feel any personal responsibility for slavery. They would be amazed at the thought that people in the Caribbean believe that the average worker in the UK should foot the bill for something that their ancestors were not involved with.
Don’t expect this to be easy.
The fear is that the whole meaning for the movement is lost to future generations … so let’s all play our part in ensuring that that does NOT happen ..!
This is against a situation where millions in the UK don’t have a guaranteed take home pay if they have what’s called a job, old folk having to choose between eat and heat, people in London where they have a job but depend on the government to subsidise their rent – the subsidies are reduced or taken away and they are forced to move out of London to somewhere where the rents are less expensive but there are no jobs so they end up worse off either way.
No UK government would survive if it told its citizens they must suffer aggravated hardship so that they could borrow even more heavily to provide mass sums to Caribbean governments.
It would certainly be prudent for the people of the Caribbean not to pin their hopes on an economy in crisis that is having to borrow heavily and still not seeing it make any substantial impact.
This looks to the UK like an act of sheer desperation by a people who either lack the ability or know-how to carve out a future for themselves.
Not many years ago the political joke was that once the colonies were clamouring for independence from Britain but now Britain was having to seek independence from former colonies.
The likes of Jamaica received 100% debt relief from the British chancellor Gordon Brown but that had no impact on Jamaica’s debt.
In the current world climate it’s every man for himself and every country for itself.
Reparations should not be trivialized by linking it to affordability. It is a principle which be trashed out and agreed.
David…..What is the principle???
The main principle here is the realisation that there is a present day responsibility for those who are the products of an unjust legacy to keep the possibility alive for the delivery of a TRUE apology from those who now benefit from that legacy through natural inheritance. A true apology includes an admission of wrong doing, an expression of regret, a promise not to repeat the action, and a offer of reparations. These are legal expressions and if you are not aware of issues such as these, and are not prepared to be brought up to speed, please, with respect, but to hell out …! … with respect …!
Thanks for the respect and with respect to you and like thinkers I see no principle,nor am I interested in an apology.Instead of concentrating on turning the table,you and your ilk wish some mealy mouthed apology and prey tell,what will that achieve….reparations…is that your value???
If I am prepared to speak for me I would be speaking about vengeance, clear and simple … but no, that would be irresponsible as I have a whole group, and a very large group to think about, not only a living group but a group that is yet to be born. My feelings have nothing to do with this so I will NOT be a part of a campaign to stymie the efforts of others by putting my personal bias ahead of a greater good. Carry on with your Jackassery … with respect …!
This has nothing to do with any mealy mouth apology, just doing what is morally right.
@ BAFBFP…..what bright up to what speed what?..!??
First thing is that any TRUE apology MUST have its genesis in seeds germinated from the OTHER side of this matter.
Second thing is that for any expression of regret or “promise not to repeat” to be intrensic and thus genuine or meaningful, we would have to have been seeing such expressions NATURALLY being developed and displayed by these people…
Lastly, Bushie DOES NOT want any blood money in exchange for what was done to those past generations of slaves. ….NONE…..what an insult to their memories….!
ALL the bushman wants is justice……
…and if possible, to live to see when they pay the REAL cost of their deeds.
Why people still make use of to read news papers when in this technological world the whole thing is existing on
net?
Bush
I am not at odds with what you have said … but I will not stand in the way of those seeking to do what OTHER groups have done, successfully. The word apology when used at this level of discourse is a legal term, and not a “mealy mouth” epitaph on an issue thought dead. I stand on the side that says many other groups (including Jews) were awarded the respect of a legal apology, and Blacks too must see themselves as equally entitled.
Fair enough …?
Baffy,
CHALK and CHEEZE.
….who ever wants to take reparations can take….most people are just like the ones they want reparations from anyway….
Take the Jews….
…after what THEY have been through – would you EVER think that they could turn around and treat Palistinians so….?
…some people are only about material things anyway…so reparations may well be suitable for them…..
….but you see how Mandela DID NOT take an eye for an eye? …or envy their riches?
…you see how foolish Bajans allows a tiny minority whose ancestors exploited our ancestors for CENTURIES……to continue on their sweet way – in peace and harmony….?
…you see how MLK turned the other cheek to Uncle Sam’s Crows?
…..some people are ABOVE being valued by materialistic trinkets and US dollars….
…and some are for sale at the right price.
@BT
Is it fair to compare the stylistics of individuals to a matter of injustice against a race of people.
David
Exactly … !
Bush
How you go’n now mek turning the other cheek a valid campaign …? Uncle Sam luvs when people turn the other cheek and avert their eyes … such activity lies at the centre of its ongoing success at making a mockery of international convention.
What stylistics David?
Bushie is talking about human PRIDE. ..the real stuff.
And Baffy, it is NOT a “valid campaign” TACTIC to turn the other cheek…. It is an expression of a higher level of existence….to be able to repay wickedness with kindness…
…than when a man robs you of your IPad, you can offer him the earphones and case….
If Wunna just want to beat up on the man till he relents, say sorry, and give wunna a new iPad in return?….what is the difference…?
Um is just who is the baddest then?
Bush
If people really exercised that kind of thinking wide spread, heterosexual would come to an end …!
If people really exercised that kind of thinking wide spread, heterosexual activity would come to an end …!
Affordability equates to having the money which is not a trivial issue.
The plight of the world economy is the issue of huge importance that is currently exercising minds everywhere and is the cause of the misery here in the UK, Greece, Spain, Italy, Barbados and across the globe.
Here on TV yesterday they were interviewing people in the street, they are cutting back on non-essentials and basics like food and still finding it tough.
People are taking their own lives and the ever increasing volume of voices are asking just how they are to find the extra money to pay for increased rents, child care and everything else.
Not many weeks ago the latest suicide took place not many miles from here – the lady left a note saying the government’s demands left her with no alternative.
Not many are driven to the ultimate of despair but there is still grave anguish amongst many.
Some who are working have to depend on food banks as they can’t afford to eat and pay rent or a mortgage plus gas, electricity, bus fares, etc. that are all increasing in price .Their numbers are increasing.
Out goes the holidays to Barbados, Disney and other far off places. Even UK holidays bookings are affected.
You are not looking at a country overflowing with riches, Mrs. Thatcher butchered industry back in the 1980’s so we make very little to export and earn so we are to a large extent dependent of unhealthy borrowing upon which interest has to be paid and then there is the capital to repay.
I am sure reparations however hotly debated in the Caribbean is not on the agenda here now nor in any foreseeable future.
The historians can pontificate all they like, the debate is going nowhere beyond the books and the debating societies are leading it.
The Queen got money … and the descendants of Barclays Bank … and Loyds and …
The Catholic Church got money .. The Anglican Church got money … A whole host of End Tails including Diana Spencer’s family got money … The Bank of England had money …
Man Baffy…
Bushie got money….how much you need?
Maybe we could get some money from those who made their fortunes selling off their brothers and sisters into slavery? Nigeria got money……oops, they still got slaves too! The market in African slavery is flourishing
Bush
We talking real money man, not piggy bank pickings …
Wait Victor
The slaves in the Caribbean and the New World did spend over three hundred years working for Nigerian concerns right …! Hmmm guess not … seems to me that the Nigerians have already been paid for their services and apparently are till being paid (going by your claim) … Why the f#ck are people like you even born … huh …?
This should be a legal issue in Court not a debate
http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/09/19/7-nations-seeking-reparations-slavery/
@ Baffy
…oh Ye of little faith !!!!
Kiki in London proud emancipation person …
Maybe Bush man take money to grave … no? Proud emancipation people no accept Bush money …!
This reminds me of a family matter over inheritance in Barbados.
Grandmother dies at age 103, daughter dies later at age 90.
Granddaughter had looked after grandmother for over 30 years, replaced the wooden house with wall and all the amenities to make the old lady comfortable throughout the remainder of her life.
Granddaughter was left the land. When she died her will specified 5 cousins as beneficiaries to not only what grandmother left but to her far more extensive properties.
Up comes on of the beneficiaries who said that grandmother’s land should not have passed to her but to his mother.
He was his mother’s 6th. child and none of the older ones were interested so he hatched a plan.
He consulted a lawyer who said he had a case and he got the ball rolling.
Mother by name (deceased) vs. cousin by name (deceased).
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So far it hasn’t come to court and I don’t know if it’s being proceeded with.
In case you wondered, this is about my close family.
Everything about the reparations idea smacks of the same idiocy, a case of deceased vs. deceased.
I am unable to understand the obsession with apportioning blame,getting apologies and receiving some sort of largese for something perpetuated by two tribes one African and one European of which the majority of us in the Caribbean are the mixed tribe progeny of and at the same time doing nothing to move ourselves forward in a meaningful manner in areas such as e.g medical,technological,etc,etc discoveries that can benefit us.
Bafp
I’m in Sri Lanka. They have servants here too but they are poor people of the same race. People don’t hate poor they try to help them give them jobs and eventually build small houses & send kids to school etc
Blacks were physically strongest best workers and should have been treated with respect not as sub-humans animals, monkey and gorillas by the pigs swine pork chop patrol pasty faced devil people
(tort law)
@Kiki
Did you vote yesterday?
black debt,???????!!!!!!! are you all aware that Irish and Scottish were slaves to the English long before Africans.
where is our white debt.???????????
http://youtu.be/qrHVX1lrroY
As a practical exercise,kindly view and read Sunday Sun 22Sep2013 pg 27A and tell me how reparations will affect this family also London Bourne(African,ex-slave,Plantation owner) and Sarah Anne Gill(Mixed tribe,Methodist,National heroine) both of whom owned slaves and their family.
@ vincent haynes .
No one is interested in your view , your kind always ready to defend caucasians .
Orthodox history is a lie and must be placed back into its proper perspective. The veil of White supremacy has thrown us off track about world history truths and who we are as Black people in relationship to everyone else on the planet. Whites have many believing they are not only the progenitors of civilization but also the progenitors of humanity. Our ancient heroes and saviors have been whitewashed. The world believes that everyone on Earth who’s not White is primitive and uncivilized.
First, we must understand what White skin really means and who White people really are. In a nutshell Whites are mutated inbred albinos.
@ yr | September 22, 2013 at 10:09 AM |
“First, we must understand what White skin really means and who White people really are. In a nutshell Whites are mutated inbred albinos.”
So how would you describe people of Oriental ethnicity like the Chinese Japanese, Koreans and Vietnamese? You first have to accept the fact that these “Oriental-type” people make up the majority of human beings in the world whereas black-skin Africans are a minority. Or do you want to dispute that?
It’s far easier wallowing in the unproductive limbo of self pity than making the effort to do anything constructive, that seems to be the African way.
Africa grows rice, rather the Bangladeshis grow rice in Africa largely for consumption in Bangladesh.
Africa in some parts are developing large highways, rather the Chinese develop them, no doubt for the benefit of the Chinese.
Africa has all the riches, gold, diamonds, oil, etc. but it is the Asians that mine them for the Asians, any the Africans get their hands on are exchanged for guns, ammunitions and machetes to mutilate Africans.
The Chinese are the ones with the large productive farms in Africa.
Something is dreadfully wrong there for which Europeans bear the blame, next will be the turn of the Asians to take the blame.
The previous issue to the reparations one was “technology transfer” which was debated until it died and a similar fate awaits the current loose belly load of runny talk.
DofBU
No I went swimming instead yesterday, (just got back to UK again)
Black man gets knocked down by car driven by white man while walking on sidewalk. Court concludes “misfortunate incident and adds that black man should not have been on sidewalk anyways since it is built for people not dogs”
White pedestrian, black driver, court rules “murder in the first degree, nigger incarcerated for life”
People like the Sid Boyce’s and the lets get on with our lives will be the first to say that the Reparations paid to the Jews were well done, as those to Japanese Americans etc.
That argument of “Deceased vs deceased” is par for the course for people of the ilk that wish to forget the agony of a race of people subjected to the ignominy of 1500 miles in 18 inch spaces with faeces, piss and dead bodies, manacled, beaten at liberty, chattel used at the whim and fancy of a melanin lacking race, heirs of the first lepers in the Book that some of you ascribe to be the panacea of the conquering nation and opiate of the people.
We have been brainwashed into a complacency that if they were to beat and rape and kill our sisters and mothers, and in some cases our brothers today, we WILL FORGET their murder tomorrow, with an ease akin to the vaseline that Sinckler and company have applied liberally to our pooches and reams us daily.
Compensation for Enslavers and nothing for the enslaved, hip hip horray to the Sid Boyce’s that abound in Bulbados, the uncle toms that stand ready to prop up Rule Brittania and “Britons never ever shall be slaves”.
I remember the anthem pre 1966 very well you cur, one that we sung lustily for fear of a royal beating by the headmaster. I also know that the anthem that replaced it is full of hot air, signifying nothing for without Reparations, these field and hill beyond recall WILL NEVER BE OUR OWN.
There is no statute of limitations on murder and that Uncle Tom Boyce is what slavery was, MURDER OF A MOST HEINOUS TYPE, entrenched in law!!
I too like Baffy, if i were free to exact what my heart wishes, would do carnage on the descendants of this scourge but I am cognisant of the consequences.
Reparations are the sole right of the Black Man and irrespective of the fact that this British isle and its Magna Carta is currently in economic turmoil, we sons and daughters of slaves need to reach out and demand what is ours from this parasite that has f*cked up every continent that it has touched, as is the legacy of most things white, and secure what is ours.
@ Boyce and you other Uncle Toms
Here is it simple and plain for imbeciles like you.
Imagine that i came by your house, took up your daughter (and son) and carried them to my house 1500 miles away, screwed them both, the British have a propensity for bulling men so there is no restraint in that department, had the two of them have sex together so that their superior gene could produce offspring and have that offspring, that offsping’s offspring, and that offspring’s offspring’s offspring work in my house, my son’s house, his son’s house and etc, how would you feel Sambo?
Then to add insult to this pernicious injury I make a law creating the status of chattel for Africans “providing that they were slaves for life and that their condition as slaves was transmitted to their posterity”.
Scum like you need to read the slave status passed to descendants through the mother as in the Virginia 1662 statute
“All children born in this country shall be held bond or free only according to the condition of the mother” (Hening, l819, 3:252).
I may be 8* but my blood still boils at the injustice and crime that slavery was and what it has left us in the form of people like you, devoid of any sense of what blacks endured and why we have no choice but to secure Reparations for this Crime against Our Humanity
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