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Submitted by Terence Blackett

Charles Darwin

โ€œIn the beginning God created the heaven and the earth โ€“ Gen. 1:1

Who holds the โ€œpatentโ€ on the things we see all around us in nature? How do we explain that it takes an estimated 100,000 different proteins to construct a human being? Is that the product of accident, chance or randomization โ€“ or does it spell Intelligent Design? For many, the origin of how life emerged remains one of the great unsolved mysteries and conundrums for both ancient and modern science.

It is recognized that the subject of this current piece is beyond the gamut of unlimited word count to do it any serious scholarship โ€“ however as this is a galvanizing issue and feelings run deep on both sides of the divide, we will attempt to do some form of interim justice given our lack of brevity. For although questions regarding the genesis of life remain a talking-point even within the realm of philosophy – religion (understandably) dominates this platform; yet science continues to hold its own in keeping the debate alive.

So how can concepts like โ€˜abiogenesisโ€™, โ€˜exogenesisโ€™, โ€˜quantum mechanicsโ€™ and โ€˜stellar nucleosynthesisโ€™ assist us in making sense of our primordial quest for understanding?

Let us begin in 1870 where Thomas Huxley opined that “I shall call theโ€ฆdoctrine that living matter may be produced by not living matter, the hypothesis of abiogenesis…” This was a paleoanthropological echo from a not too distant past when Charles Darwin had chained himself to the Tower of Babel in defense that there was no GOD* and in turn hatched a lurid tales of spontaneous regeneration of biological organisms which metamorphosed over billions of years to eventual form all living things including man.

In 1924, Russian biochemist Alexander Oparin also proposed that living cells arose gradually from nonliving matter through a sequence of chemical reactions. This โ€œWarm Soupโ€ theory by evolutionary scientists suggest that according to Oparin, โ€œgases present in the atmosphere of primitive earth, when induced by lightening or other sources of energy, would react to form simple organic compounds. These compounds would subsequently self-assemble into increasingly complex molecules such as proteins. These, in turn, would organize themselves into living cells.โ€

So abiogenesis โ€“ is that field of science dedicated to studying how life might have arisen for the first time on planet earth as some form of primordial protoplasmic globule โ€“ a basis that is challenged by the proponents of exogenesis; both concepts in one way or another debunked by quantum mechanics and stellar nucleosynthesis propping up the Big Bang theory and the evolution of life forms.

Huxleyโ€™s echo continues to reverberate even today as we witness the power of pseudo-indoctrination and its effects upon the human mind. โ€œI had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics, he is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to themselves… For myself, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation, sexual and political.โ€ A. Huxley (evolutionist, leftist, and grandson of T.H. Huxley, known as “Darwin’s bulldog”): Ends and Means, p. 270.

Therefore, if abiogenesis posits this idea of life emerging from virtually nothing, it is clear to see why men fail to believe in the existential nature of a Creator GOD* and that as the Designer โ€“ He made all things according to His will and commands. Huxley, like many, have landed in a quagmire of meaningless; a soup-bowl of void and nothingness โ€“ to find themselves vacuous, empty and alone in the universe.

Let us now examine the theory of exogenesis or panspermia (mutually interchangeable terminologies with slight variants at times) as it is referred to in some circles. Exogenesis is a hypothesis that originated in the 19th century in opposition to the theory of spontaneous generation. The physics of the universe describes exogenesis as an alternative to earthly abiogenesis hypothesizing that “primitive life may have originally formed extraterrestrially, either in space or on a nearby planet such as Mars. Such ideas have had many eminent supporters over the years, including Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the structure of the DNA molecule, and the astrophysicist Sir Fred Hoyle among others. These theories may go some way to explaining the presence of life on Earth so soon after the planet had cooled down, with apparently very little time for prebiotic evolution.”

But there’s a problem here!

If the โ€œseedsโ€ of life already existed somewhere in the universe or from some nearby or distant galaxy, and that life on earth may have originated through some form of scattered “star-dust” (symbolic of the same way a farmer scatters seed into the wind to sow crops) – then life on our planet was the indirect result of cosmic geoponics involving interdependent cross-colonization and cross-fertilization from nearby worlds. Therefore it would be safe to conclude that there is a reverse process as well โ€“ though no scientific proof exists anywhere.

At the molecular level, life as we know it requires the elements hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, phosphorus and sulphur to exist at sufficient densities and temperatures for the chemical reactions between them to occur. These conditions however are not widespread in the universe, so this limits the distribution or scattering of life as an ongoing process damaging the environment for life, as it would be exposed to radiation, cosmic rays, stellar winds and other rogue cosmologies.

Clearly, exogenesis lacks creditability or validity barring a few who would choose to believe that life on earth was the direct result of extraterrestrial phenomena – something Hollywood is keen to exploit in order to engage weak, flaccid and debilitated minds who believe that the concept of a Creator is too simplistic a notion to be given any credence – which brings us to the least understood topic of quantum mechanics and how it can explain (if at all) the origins of life.

Bioastronomy and astrophysics have been in a race to build a quantum computer with the ability to process massive informational data resources inconceivable to the human mind โ€“ given the premise that life as defined by information processing and replicating systems could prove that the abovementioned theories of abiogenesis and exogenesis were merely random concoctions of a primordial chemical soup mix.

While some argue that quantum theory deals with the structure and behaviour of atoms and molecules and it really has absolutely nothing to do with the mythology of abiogenesis or exogenesis as a matter of fact โ€“ yet quantum mechanics does provide (in theory) the building blocks of biochemistry and therefore provides the relative forces including the coherence, entanglement and superposition constituents which allow non-living matter to make up living matter. The plausibility of this speculative assertion rests, however, on life somehow circumventing the decoherence effects of environmental phenomena.

To simplify – Paul Davies suggests for decoherence to be avoided: “In the presence of environmental noise, the delicate phase relationships that characterize quantum effects get scrambled, turning pure quantum states into mixtures and in effect marking a transition from quantum to classical behaviour. Only so long as decoherence can be kept at bay will explicitly quantum effects persist.” But based on this process of randomization โ€“ how plausible is it to keep the fluidity of environmental noise at bay? This is the conundrum!

So to posit with any degree of certainty that the effects of quantum mechanics will play a significant or decisive role in managing the proprietary blends of either abiogenesis or exogenesis would be the subject of an advanced research project.

However, to bring home the disparity that exist within quantum mechanics and the origins of life can be cited from theoretical physicist Paul Davies who argues that “the transition from non-life to life was a quantum-mediated process, and that the earliest form of life involved nontrivial quantum mechanical aspects.” However, J. D. Sinclair argues that based on the Copenhagen Interpretation that “the first question is the indeterminacy of matter while in an unobserved state. This indeterminacy seems to agree very well with a Hindu worldview. Hindus believe the world observed through our senses is an illusion, and the actual reality (the universe) is itself God. One can argue that indeterminacy proves that nature is an illusion after all. It also seems to show that there can be no reality outside the universe, hence God is the universe or there is no God.”

Davies believe that โ€œthe field of molecular biology posed interesting scenarios according to Schrodinger (1944) where the stable transmission of genetic information from generation to generation in discrete bits implied a quantum mechanical process, although he was unaware of the role of or the specifics of genetic encoding. But could quantum mechanics solve the issue of the living state of matter? Or did the quantum mechanical process play a key role in the emergence of life up to a predetermined level, and subsequently ceased to be a significant factor when life became fully emergent?โ€

These are the issues which science is still trying to answer!

The final aspect of our narrative termed stellar nucleosynthesis deals with this concept some call the โ€œBIG BANGโ€ where some proponents believe that many of the plagues which were experienced in the last millennia was due to this theory.

Science explains stellar nucleosynthesis as the collective term for the nuclear reactions taking place in stars to build the nuclei of the elements heavier than hydrogen. Small quantity of these reactions also occurs on the stellar surface under various circumstances. For the creation of elements during the explosion of a star, the term supernova nucleosynthesis is used. So for BIG-BANG* theorists like Chris Halsall this phenomenon is a crucial determinant in their orthodoxy to prove that this is how life originated.

A quantum leap back into the past to the year 1348 – Europe has fallen under the shadow of the Black Death. The Black Death sweeps through Europe between 1348 to 1353 and is thought to have killed one-third of London’s citizens. Many believe that this was the prophesied time of the [7] last plagues of Revelation 15:5, โ€œas the plague decimates all in its path, fear and superstition are rife.โ€

These were the cinematographic portrayals and projections from the 2010 box office movie release aptly entitled โ€œThe Black Deathโ€. Hollywoodโ€™s fascination with dark, sinister themes throws us back to a bygone era in time where myths, legends and folklore ruled the day. The Biblical idea of plagues as is termed in Revelation 8:10-11 where it says: “And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter” is a prophecy of damnable proportions which cannot be easily deconstructed using scientific jargon.

But today, the objectification of that kind of medieval primordiality is coined in the words โ€œconspiracy theoryโ€, โ€œdoomsday propheciesโ€ and neomythology โ€“ theories that tend to either excite, scare or irate most who are moved by them either in one way or another.

However, the line between Hollywood fiction and what is real has been so blurred and it is difficult to tell who is really writing the historical script โ€“ both past and present.

A recent study by a team of paleo-archeologists, osteologists and others from universities in Canada and Germany unearthed surviving fragments of DNA in bones and teeth of 2,400 victims of the Black Death who were buried at a special cemetery a few metres from the Tower of London, providing samples for a ground-breaking research study.

The research indicated that the yersina pestis microbe (the infectious agent) was not present on the British mainland prior the Black Death, which suggest it reached Britain from elsewhere. But how did it get here? What were its origins?

A Roman Catholic nun in Italy, Sister Mariaelena Bianchessi draws on theories presented by Dr. Fred Hoyle and Dr. Chandra Wickramasinghe, both known for their belief that influenza outbreaks are caused by newly arriving viruses from outer space in a recently published a research paper. If this can be proved under vigorous examination โ€“ then it goes quite some distance in proving the inerrant accuracy of the Bible. The other aspects of this theory can be explored in greater details at publication.

Finally, in conclusion, we can wrap up our theoretical sketch by skimming the surface of the creationist debate to see how they juxtapose with the other theories.

In our world currently, many religious fundamentalists believe that the earth and everything on it was created a six [24] hour days, [6000] years ago while evolutionary scientists, atheists and others believe that a Creator GOD* is a myth and as Professor Hawking lamented earlier this year that โ€œHeavenโ€ โ€˜is a place reserved for people who are afraid of the darkโ€™. Musketeers like Hawking, Dawkins & Co; believe the Bible is a book filled with mythology; life is the product of randomization; most importantly, life is the product of undirected events. What is lost in the argument is that theoretical scientists look at the designs in nature and copy products and technologies which have been very beneficial to mankind โ€“ however they fail miserably in answering with any intellectual honesty the question that says – โ€œif the copy required a designer, what about the ORIGINAL?โ€

Evolutionary science hinges on [3] basic myths: Mutations provide the raw materials needed to create new species; Natural selection led to the creation of new species; and fossil records document macroevolutionary changes. However, like Christianity, to a lesser extent, belief in evolution requires a serious act of faith. But as evolutionist Richard Lewontin states, โ€œMany scientist refuse even to consider the possibility of an intelligent Designer because we cannot allow a Divine foot in the door.โ€


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  1. Fanatical Evangelical Extremist…….

    That is Zoe!

  2. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    I don’t quite get how you got from the fossil record to saying god created everything and how this confirms this; I think you have a bit more explaining to do. I’m discouraged from posting here in the future because people are tending to get a bit personal. As i said before, I respect your views so at least show the same courtesy, especially since genesis is also considered a creation THEORY and there are no hard facts that can prove it. Adding on that that is the fact people are copying and pasting rather than making comments and leaving a references. This makes it just ever so much harder to distinguish actually comments from people wanting to contribute to the discussion and pasted book snippets or even plagiarism as you aren’t using the correct reference format in any case.

    I would like to point out what David said a few posts up. “Why canโ€™t we accept the simple point that religion is predicated on a belief in God which is faithbased?” Therefore although there is some evidence to be found for evolution and natural selection, in regards to religion, you only have your faith in a deity and no hard facts. Science is based on facts and a scientific theory can only be discredited when facts are brought to the table to do so. I would also like to point out that some maybe confusing a scientific theory with a hypothesis. In truth, a theory comes from an initial hypothesis and observation and after more observations, experimentation and testing where evidence is found to support it, this initial hypothesis is elevated to a theory.

    I think some people may also be confusing what evolution is and what is natural selection; I previously stated there were proven earlier. Evolution is simply the change over time in the genetic makeup of a population. Is your generation a carbon copy of your parents? No population is in Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium so evolution occurs in all natural population. A classic example is the Girraffe with a longer neck than the average in his species. He would be able to reach leaves higher up in the canopy and as a result would be less likely to encounter competition; whether inter specific or intra specific. This increases his chances of reaching sexual maturity and reproducing (relative fitness) compared to an individual with short neck who may have to compete with other herbivorous species. Now in order for evolution to work these changes must be inheritable (genes) and passed on to the offspring. Then this young may or may not have this new trait depending on the inheritance pattern of the genes which control it. If they do get this trait and also reproduce and pass it on to their offspring then we can say evolution is happening in that population; it is changing over time to have a number of individuals with long necks. Also evolution is not the direct cause of speciation. Natural selection can be seen here also as individuals with longer necks are more FIT and thus are selected for and are more likely to survive.

    We have seen this happening, take for common example found in many books; the Peppered moth. Before the industrial revolution the white version (wing colour is controlled by one allele and the moths can still interbreed and thus are grouped in one species) was predominant. This was due to their ability to camouflage on tree lichens while the black variety would be easy to spot against the white back ground. With the industrial revolution, coal was increasing burnt as a fuel releasing sulphurous fumes which killed the lichens and soot which cover trees making their bark black in areas downwind from industrial centers. The populations in these areas evolved as then the white variety that had been common before was now very visible against the black tree bark and made easy prey for birds while the black variety of the month began to be predominate in these areas. You can find further details of this study online or in the book “Ecology: From Individuals to Ecosystems” (Begon Et al 2005).

    Please notice how I did not copy and paste and I most noticeable did not post you tubes videos, which by the way have little credibility as anyone can post one and say anything; that does not make it true. Try to use academic sources.


  3. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences, You say:

    “I don’t quite get how you got from the fossil record to saying God created everything and how this conforms this. I think you have a bit more explaining to do.”

    I respectfully, suggest that you re-read all of my post from the beginning. Its very simple, if one’s mind and heart are open to the FACTS of the EVIDENCE from the entire Fossil Record, from single cell organisms, right through to the Origin of Man, it is patently obvious, that Evolutionary Materialism, did NOT occur, and the FACT, that every time an ancient Fossil is found, it APPEARS, ABRUPTLY, that is FULLY FORMED, which IS* entirely consistent with Almighty God’s Divine Revelation, as contained in the Biblical account, from the Genesis narrative of Creation.

    What exactly is IT, about this, that you don’t quite get?


  4. @BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    Nice post. Probably the best I have seen so far.


  5. @Zoe

    You have a really warped interpretation of the word “evolution”. You seem to think that evolution means one species coming from another, lie they say that man came from the monkey… Is this your interpretation of evolution?

  6. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    โ€œthe FACT, that every time an ancient Fossil is found, it APPEARS, ABRUPTLY, that is FULLY FORMED, which IS* entirely consistent with Almighty Godโ€™s Divine Revelationโ€

    This is not always so for every time an ancient fossil is found. For example the transition between forms of trilobites has been seen from their fossils. In truth the fossil record is not complete but we make progress on it each year. Some problems do occur as soft bodied animals without a test or bones donโ€™t readily leave full fossils unless in rare case ideal situations. This can be seen with cartilaginous โ€œfishโ€ such as sharks and in most situations we have to use artifacts such as teeth and tracks to make the connection.

    What was confusing me is by geological dating (radiometric based on half-lives of isotopes) those fossils are quite old. In-fact the Earth is estimated at 4.5 to 4.6Byrs old. Surely this conflicts in some way with what was said in Genesis? Some Christians I know actually believe that either fossils are fake or God put them there when he was creating the Earth so I was pleasantly surprised you were using them and the fossil record in your discussions.

    Off Topic

    I might not be able to get back on much today due to rain’s ability to destroy LIME’s already poor ADSL connection. I would think they would have invested in better lines and speed before the 4g upgrade since it is of more importance financially for businesses and such.


  7. @ BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences…..

    Nice post, easy on the brain…made sense.

    LIME and rain *smh*.

    New technology, same old plant……4G???…….more like forget!!


  8. To Bsc Ecology:
    When you do get back this is waiting for you. I previously indicated from a simple scientific book that science is not absolute in its results. Something may have been missing in the experiment or the observation that could have been covering or hiding the true state of things. This was so basic a science book I could read it. Look back at my post for it. Yet you continue with this myth that science is based on facts and concrete figure.

    There is an interesting development with evolution theory that has not been getting much attention. Geologists are confounded with your fossils and billions of years of morphing into man. They are saying that given the rate to EROSION in those billions of years. Within a short time, ALL of the CONTINENTS would have been reduced to sea level. Yet we still have our high mountain peaks. That is given that the same conditions that are prevailing today and with the same level of runoff as existing today in rivers and other parts of the geological system or is it hydrological system etc.. That really puts a dent on these billions of years ASSUMPTIONS that you so religiously post here.


  9. BSC Ecology WES, Where are the ‘transitional’ FOSSILS, between these so-called ‘forms’ of trilobites? There are NO* transitional ‘forms’ between trilobites, there are simply different, and DISTINCT ‘trilobites, each FULLY FORMED, as Created, these are NOT intermediate, transitional trilobites, between so-called forms, as Evo Mat have attempted to suggest!

    BTW, BSC, when I use Caps lock, I’m not shouting at you, or anyone else, I simply use it for emphasis and augmentation, that’s all!

  10. BCS Ecology with Earth Science Avatar
    BCS Ecology with Earth Science

    If you do a little digging I am sure you will find the information. They were found in a quarry in New York.

  11. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    Have you ever heard of the Herring Gull and the Lesser Black Backed gull? These originated in the British Isles and are a good example of ring speciation. They form a ring around the North Pole of several subspecies which have slightly different adaptions to their neighbours. These subspecies can interbreed with the other subspecies within their vicinity but not the more distant ones as they have evolved more differently over time. So they form a chain of gull subspecies starting with the Herring Gull with neighbouring subspecies populations being able to interbreed but by the time the ring has reached the British Isles again a new species has formed; the Lesser Black Backed gull. They have different feather colours and do not interbreed with the Herring Guy. However since the subspecies forming the circle can interbreed with neighbouring populations they must have evolved from a single species. Would you not say the subspecies of guys are a transitional state? If not what would be your definition.

  12. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    @ lemuel
    Dig a little further, I think even my little brother knows about this and he is only in 3rd form. Any geology book would explain how the continents are renewed with plate tectonics plus volcanism and give a detail of the rock cycle involving sedimentary, metamorphic and igneous rocks. Also any geology book will tell you that these mountains you see today E.G. the Himalayas, are relatively young geologically speaking (millions of years). Going on the assumption that you have an idea of how plate tectonics works; you have several plate boundaries. The important ones in this case are convergent plate boundaries.

    Yes there is constant weathering and erosion of rocks, particularly on mountains. This weathered material eventually is deposited as soil, sand and a large amount makes its way to the sea via rivers and other water systems. This can be recycled in two main ways:

    1) Compaction and lithification of the sediments due to the pressure of the overlying ocean and fresh sediment being layered on top. Think of an oceanic plate (cool and dense) and a continental plate (warm and less dense). When they collide, the oceanic plate, being denser, subducts beneath the continental plate and this sediment is scraped up and eventually compacted back into land at the shore. Some also subducts with the oceanic plate but as the plate subducts, the high temperatures and pressures destroy and it melts and becomes magma. Magma is less dense than the surrounding rock and rises to form volcanoes. A good example of this is the Pacific ring of Fire where the Pacific oceanic plate is subducting below the surrounding continental plates. The magma rises from the mantle wedge and emerges on land as volcanoes, returning the rock to whence in came from.
    2) Continental to Continental collisions are another way. The continent plates as I stated earlier are warm and not very dense so they never subduct beneath each other. They crumple and the lithosphere rises and pressure increases as they continue (these are one of the most dangerous plate boundaries). This rising crust forms new mountains and any sediment and oceanic crust that was initially between the two continental plates may get trapped also and compressed. As you should be able to guess, this rising lithosphere causes new mountains to form and an example would be the Himalayas caused by the collision between the Indian plate and Eura-Asian plate.


  13. For some who may be seduced by the deceitful “TRUTH” of Zoe, here is the scientific proof of predicted and subsequent discovery of transitional fossils.


  14. To Bsc Ecology:
    I know that you and your little brother are very bright, but I did not ask about erosion via tectonic plates. The geologist not me say that simple river erosion makes your evolution theory void. You accuse people of repeating things from text but yet to retreat your are doing the same thing. In fact, they the geologists said that the erosive impact would be such that all those trenches that are found in oceans would have been filled by this river erosion or debris. I do not think that your little brother is any help to now speak to the issue; fulminate great texts in defense like Terrence.

    And are you now going on record as saying that this convolution of the plates and magma and mountains being formed on land is the reason there have been findings of extinct fossils of simple life on mountain tops. At least you seem more credible for I can see how having survived those hot temperatures, the survivors proceeded to the bottom of the mountain to form man and the other life forms.

    Be gentle with me for I may not even what ecology is about, but I know it is certainly not biology which you purport to know so well.


  15. To Bsc Ecology:
    These geologist have projections and figures of river erosion that out strip this gentle tectonic cycle of which you speak. If you are saying that the plate activity is relatively young, then your argument is in tatters unless the assumption is that rivers only started flowing recently or were created by the recent tectonic shifts. By the way, that theory will run into the dilemma of the chicken and the egg, which was first. Furthermore, where are the examples today of the tectonic phenomenon which replenish the earth through the sea and volcanoes. Mr. Scientist where is your evidence.

    i noticed that you are yet to address the theory that scientist themselves postulate that science is not based on certainty or the absolute.


  16. To Sraight Talk:
    Did you listen to the video carefully. The gentle man was HONEST enough to say that his postulation shall be based on observation and then evolutionary theory shall be applied. Meaning that from one observation he applied the evolution theory and then generalized about what he thought happened. I want you to also noticed that his observation was restricted to PHYSICAL features. Which mean given his approach to this matter, if I observed you and you looked similar to Kiki or Island but with a few differences then I can apply evolution theory and state that as a generalization that all other person presenting with your characteristics have evolved from Kiki and Island. That is exactly what he did for the lizard and the salamander etc.. and ALL of the other things mentioned. He did at least admit that THERE HAS BEEN NO DIRECT OBSERVATION OF THIS PHENOMENON. That means we are again in theory land of the blind who do not intend to see. But I have hope for BSC in Ecology maybe can present some strong genetic evidence for us. Furthermore, when the scientific method was set up observation had to more than once unless an experiment was possible to prove the assumption.

  17. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    @ Lemuel
    You are completely miss understanding everything I said and I would suggest you re-read what I posted. I for example never said plate activity nor the rivers flowing are very young. I never mentioned anything about fossils in that post either. I indeed explained how the continents are renewed I.E. why we do not live in a water world in the easiest way I would have thought possible. I guess you are a more visual learner but I do not have a way of posting diagrams on here.

    “Furthermore, where are the examples today of the tectonic phenomenon which replenish the earth through the sea and volcanoes. Mr. Scientist where is your evidence.”

    I gave an example for each of the two main processes I stated… Geologists say that IF there were no volcanism or plate tectonics we would be in a water world I.E. the continents would have been eroded away. And it is your assumption that this would make the evolutionary theory void based on your misunderstanding the material presented that I have made an effort to explain. Some of the others have managed to comprehend it.

  18. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    “i noticed that you are yet to address the theory that scientist themselves postulate that science is not based on certainty or the absolute.”

    The scientific method is based on what we consider “facts” at the time based on evidence but new evidence can bright to light new data that can change theories. however the same question can be asked of religion which has never been based on evidence but belief. So try this question please.

    I noticed that you are yet to address the theory that Christians themselves postulate that Christianity is not based on certainty or the absolute. Care to do this?


  19. To Bsc:
    The point is that that tectonic plate and the replenishing of the earth process is way too slow in the face of the river erosion that i am speaking of. By the time your two plate rub and sedimentation finds itself bulging some where on earth ALL of the earth would have been eroded. I do not how much clearer I can make it for you or your little brother. A word of advice these people you see on this blog are much more smarter or intelligent that you may believe do not take them for granted. Not me though I just struggle among them. You have to think in here.

  20. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    @ Lemuel

    “If I observed you and you looked similar to Kiki or Island but with a few differences then I can apply evolution theory and state that as a generalization that all other person presenting with your characteristics have evolved from Kiki and Island.”

    You do not observe one individual of an population or species… ever… if you to make a representative remark about that species or population as a whole. That would be a flawed experimental design. That is simple statistics. You look at the current species, closely related species and past species among other factors to make your decision. You also do not look only at physical features but also genetics and behavior among others. Looking only at physical features would be a flawed experimental design.Two species can look alike and be completely unrelated such as the Cacti of America compared to the plants found in the deserts of Africa and Asia.

    I can look at a Pastor who had sexual intercourse with a young boy and assume that all pastors and all Christians have sex with young boys. However I would be wrong. I would have to study Christians as a whole to determine if all are indeed like that or if the example pastor would be an anomaly.

  21. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    “The point is that that tectonic plate and the replenishing of the earth process is way too slow in the face of the river erosion that i am speaking of. By the time your two plate rub and sedimentation finds itself bulging some where on earth ALL of the earth would have been eroded.”

    This is completely wrong and I would like to ask you for a source to where you would get information like this.


  22. To Bsc:
    Belief in God is a belief in the absolute. That means at least for believers there is a God. For you evolutionists, there are so many relatives that none of you can say absolutely what you belief. When new evidence is found in relation to God it normally confirms our belief; our belief does not stammer, rock or stumble. You should not buy into the lie that believers do not know what they believe.the faith we have is a tool to confirm God. Do not be dismissive you have to rely on faith in assumptions more than we do.


  23. To Bsc:
    That is what the video that straight talk posted is saying; that is the methodology adopted by the presenter. I AM SO GLAD WE CAN BOTH DEBUNK THAT NONSENSE TO disPROVE TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS. I thought there I was losing it. You see my young friend you now need to research. I shall be here waiting with facts and figures. Thanks my young friend.


  24. To those who doubt the effects of plate tectonics and volcanism:

    Barbados is rising at a rate of 2 mm per year. Why is this? Corals only grow and live submerged in sea water. Why do we find coral limestone hundreds of metres above the sea level i.e Barbados?
    Plate tectonics provide the answer to these questions.

    As for volcanism, It is said that seeing is believing. Take a look:


  25. Lemuel:
    Closer to home, are your coccyx and appendix really an intelligent design of a perfectly formed species, or as most would believe the vestiges of our primordial ancestors, and proof of evolution?

  26. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    @ Lumuel

    “That is what the video that straight talk posted is saying; that is the methodology adopted by the presenter. I AM SO GLAD WE CAN BOTH DEBUNK THAT NONSENSE TO disPROVE TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS. I thought there I was losing it. You see my young friend you now need to research. I shall be here waiting with facts and figures. Thanks my young friend.”

    *Sigh* Read my post again. Note that I did not watch the video but I was replying to you and I already stated why I will not watch such videos. Nothing I said goes against transitional fossils. I was going against what you were saying in regards to:

    โ€œIf I observed you and you looked similar to Kiki or Island but with a few differences then I can apply evolution theory and state that as a generalization that all other person presenting with your characteristics have evolved from Kiki and Island.โ€

    Basically I was just saying that the methodology you were suggesting is wrong and not evolutionary theory. You were observing one or two people to make a decision on a population which is wrong.

    “Belief in God is a belief in the absolute. That means at least for believers there is a God. For you evolutionists, there are so many relatives that none of you can say absolutely what you belief. When new evidence is found in relation to God it normally confirms our belief; our belief does not stammer, rock or stumble. You should not buy into the lie that believers do not know what they believe.the faith we have is a tool to confirm God. Do not be dismissive you have to rely on faith in assumptions more than we do.”

    This does not confirm the presence of a God. Some children believe in Santa Clause. Is this absolute. They know what they believe in; someone who brings presents and cheer at Christmas. Does this confirm the presence of Santa Clause? We have no proof that he does exist and neither do we for God(s). Just because you believe in something does not necessary make it true.

    What I think Barbadian Christians need to do is look at the bigger picture. (Assumption) What if your ancestors had not fallen into slavery but remained in Africa. What religion would you be now. Would you be christian? I think probably not? Would you go to hell for praising the local African deities or would “God” let you off lightly since you did not know about him. How can people know him if he does not show evidence of himself? Your own words “You have to think in here.”

  27. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    Ping pong that is a very good point to make. Barbados is based on a rising area of sediment due to plate tectonics and differs from most of the Caribbean which is mainly a volcanic island arc. Lumuel would have us to believe Barbados would be eroded at a extreme rate and thus the age of the Earth is younger than expected. We get allot of precipitation here, being in the tropics, and rain water mixes with carbon dioxide in the air to create a carbonic acid which dissolves limestone. However even with this, runoff and wave action Barbados is actually rising and you can see the strata on the East Coast. Any explanation for this Lemuel as being a small island surely we should have been swimming with the fishes for a while now?


  28. BscEcoWES

    Actually Barbados is one of the few places on Earth where geological features resulting from processes that occur at the bottom of the ocean can be seen ABOVE sea level.

  29. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    Another example is Iceland which is actually a spreading center and the site of the mid Atlantic ridge which has risen above sea level at that point.


  30. “What I think Barbadian Christians need to do is look at the bigger picture. (Assumption) What if your ancestors had not fallen into slavery but remained in Africa. What religion would you be now. Would you be christian? ”

    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences……….Thank you ……I have been asking this same question over the years and have never been given a straight answer. Many said that they would still be Christian. I asked how did they arrive at that? They gave some cock and bull story like many of the stories in the Bible. Many are afraid to even THINK WHAT IF?


  31. the bible is not god
    it is man’s limited rationalization of a god / universe
    like science is a growing knowledge from theories


  32. To Bsc:
    I made my point about erosion long and then I made it short but you choose not to get it. About the video, all I am saying is that you are making the exact point that I made about the presenter’s methodology. Here comes Pin Pong with an example that has nothing to do with what I am making the point about the erosion process. Then you jump with glee as if he is helping your situation. Your evolution takes billion of years, if this erosion is so rapid then what you have read and repeating here is an impossibility. Go to you tube look at the videos you can begin with India.My main information did not come from you tube. Where is Ping Pong getting his from; before you accepted his help you should have checked.

    Don’t let people like KIki come and involve you in nonsense. Her/his position assumes that Africans were savages waiting for the white man to rescue us with slavery and put christianity in our breast.


  33. @ LEMUEL
    Donโ€™t let people like KIki come and involve you in nonsense. Her/his position assumes that Africans were savages waiting for the white man to rescue us with slavery and put christianity in our breast.

    FARK U PUSSY CUNT


  34. DIE AND GO TO HELL NIGGY WHITE COCK SUCKING SCUM


  35. To Bsc and Ping Pong and all:
    I meant Island not Kiki. About that if God exists question, I am here believing in God. That belief makes him an absolute to me and others who are comforted thereby. Like the child with santa claus, who also sees santa as an absolute; you can only speak in absolute terms because it is clear santa does not exist, so you can dis prove that assumption. Why is it that try as you may, you laugh at the bible as a fairy story, you laugh at believers as mad and foolish, why is it that even here and now you can not be ANY evidence (conclusive like the case of santa claus) to show that God does not exist. Even when I listen to Hitchens and dawkins, hitchens make sport at believers with gibberish talk and normally the audience is on his side, dawkins uses theoretical physics speculation based on the absolute so if that exist god can not; he is more a practitioner of faith than I am. Is there deep some where in your non believers mind that is still asking you what if these silly people are right. Is it why you come here to fight down your nagging doubt; I am no help only GOD can.

    Tell Pin Pong for me that because man does not know why we have those part in our body does not confirm evolution. Then this phenomenon would be in all animals and you would not have to find evidence for the transitional fossil. Zoe you are still correct.


  36. To Kiki:
    I am so sorry I meant Island.


  37. @ BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    It is obvious that both Lemuel and Zoe are terribly out of their league. Do not let them wear you out. I like how you are sending them back to read. They will need to read it over and over again to try to get a grasp because there is no guarantee that they will understand, even after reading over and over.

    Very good contributions on your part. Your posts are very clear and consistent. Never mind the detractors with their creation agenda.

    However, I want to ask you this. Suppose the Creation story was true, would you say that “evolution” as you have been describing it, contradicts the Creation story? Could the two exist alongside one another? If your answer is no, what would be the contradictory factors?


  38. @Lemuel
    “why is it that even here and now you can not be ANY evidence (conclusive like the case of santa claus) to show that God does not exist.”

    You have a real problem. God(s) do exist, just that the are not the Creator. You need to find out exactly who God is. The evidence is there right under your nose but you refuse to accept it.

    Let me ask you this, why did god ask his people to mark their door posts with lamb’s blood so he would know where there are? Is this the omniscient God that you refer to? He had to know them by a coded mark? Where was his omniscience? It left him temporarily?

    Also, I ask you, how come the golden was already fashioned before god knew? One other question, you note the reaction of god when he got the news that the followers had built a golden calf to worship. He wanted to kill them… But Moses the mortal persuaded god not to kill them (really) but was Moses’ reaction any different when he actually saw the calf. He broke the tablets, did he not? And did not 3000 men die that night?

    Sounds like the emotional make up of god is the same as man and that this god has some very evil thoughts as well. Makes me think that God is a sinner too; Like man… Hmmmm. Same image, likeness and emotional make-up.


  39. LEMUEL IS A PERVERT

  40. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    “However, I want to ask you this. Suppose the Creation story was true, would you say that โ€œevolutionโ€ as you have been describing it, contradicts the Creation story? Could the two exist alongside one another? If your answer is no, what would be the contradictory factors?”

    If creation was true, evolution as I discussed it could co exist. If God had put all the flora and fauna on the Earth at one time there would be the potential for this because remember evolution is simply change over time in populations. There could have been evolution after the event. This occurs from generation to generation and no two generations are quite alike. However it would also mean that the book of Genesis would not been written that clearly but it is to be expected since the book is old and would have went through many versions to get to the “King James” version and the other multiple versions going around presently; it might have been corrupted somewhat in the process.

    There are other scientific factors that may discredit religion but evolution by itself does not. There are some evolutionists who are proud Christians.


  41. @lemuel: “Why is it that try as you may, you laugh at the bible as a fairy story, you laugh at believers as mad and foolish, why is it that even here and now you can not be ANY evidence (conclusive like the case of santa claus) to show that God does not exist.

    Please trust me. We are not laughing.

    We know we cannot prove that any proposed god does not exist.

    We also know you and yours cannot prove that one or more does.

  42. BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences Avatar
    BSC Ecology with Earth Sciences

    @ Lemuel
    “Your evolution takes billion of years, if this erosion is so rapid then what you have read and repeating here is an impossibility.”

    Yet again you have failed to grasp what evolution is and I have no idea where you are getting the billions of years figure from. Many of the examples I gave you would be visible within a decade and depending on the generation turn over rate even less. The faster an organisms reaches sexual maturity and reproduces the faster new generations are put out there so evolution would be easier to see on short time scales with organisms like insects. Also I have not said at any point that this erosion is rapid. It simply is not. I keep telling you this but you refuse to acknowledge it. Before I believed you were accusing me of saying that rivers only began to run recently.


  43. To Chris:
    You are the only here with the intellectual honesty to say that. But we know that when that King of Kings and Lord of Lords appear, we can point and say see.


  44. @Lemuel……”Her/his position assumes that Africans were savages waiting for the white man to rescue us with slavery and put christianity in our breast.”

    Now tell me where have I stated such nonsense you IGNORANT JACKASS. KIKI CUSS THIS IDIOT SOME MORE FUH MUH. You can’t even think for yourself FOOL! YOU DICK HEAD!


  45. That video, on ‘Prediction confirmed’ is another piece of clever, evolutionary ‘theory’ deception, as it shows NO* intermediate, transitional forms at ALL, but, similar ‘DESIGN’ features, in distinctly different creatures, falsily claiming as Evo Mat always attempt to do, that this is common descent, common ‘Design’ features does NOT translate into ‘common descent’ as is erroneously stated by evolution ‘theory.’

    For example, ‘The Origin of Specialized Placental Mammals.’

    “It is one thing to attempt to trace the transformation of some sort of generalized creature into another which SHARES some features in common with the first, BUT, it is another thing, and very much more definitive, to attempt to document the origin of creatures DESIGNED for a unique way of life and thus endowed with highly specialized features. Such specialized features include, for example, the wings of flying insects, flying reptiles, and flying mammals; the feathers of birds, duckbills on birds, dinosaurs, and the platypus; the echolocation apparatus of bats, the ear of ossicles of mammals, the cranial features required for whales to dive great depts, the many unique features of various dinosaurs, already discussed, and many, many others. THIS IS WHERE TRANSITIONAL FORMS WOULD BE THE MOST OBVIOUS AND EASY TO IDENTIFY*. THIS IS WHERE THE REQUIRED* TRANSITIONAL* FORMS* ATE MOST CRITICALLY NEEDED> THIS IS* WHERE EVOLUTIONARY THEORY INVARIABLY FAILS.”

    The obvious ‘DESIGN’ import, that is so clearly seen, that ALL these creatures, came from “INTELLIGENT DESIGN” the obvious implication that Evolutionists HATE with a vengeance, hence Lewontin’s infamous, statement, we CANNOT allow a Divine FOOT in the DOOR, continues, at the CORE of evolutionary theory, which IS* a philosphical ideology, in the FIRST instance, NOT* science, then wrapped UP, in all kinds of ‘SPECULATION’ scenarios, VOID of any real, true, intermediate, transitional forms AT ALL!

    The salient POINT, that is continually being overlooked in Evo Mat, IS* the absolutely, incredibly, amazing, DENSITY of COMPLEX SPECIFIED INFORMATION, (CSI) that IS* required in the DNA, in order to ‘supposedly’ EVOLVE one creature INTO another. And this simply CANNOT happen by RANDOM chance MUTATION, NO WAY!

    Cells only take INFORMATION, note the word, INFORMATION* from DNA and BUILD IT. They cannot DESIGN or come up with INFORMATION themselves, they are builders, nor designers!

    DNA contains INFORMATION, information IS* KNOWLEDGE. And KNOWLEDGE just can’t HAPPEN, by chance mutation, without ‘Intelligent Design.” This evolutionary THEORY, simply CANNOT* do!

    Do you think the CELL has the ability to understand FLIGHT, and therefore the ability to acquire the needed INFORMATION so that the lizard can be turned into a FLYING machine? No WAY! Someone DESIGNED these things. They didn’t just happen!

    THINK, Bsc, THINK, man!!!


  46. lemuel | Whenever … who cares |

    To Chris:
    You are the only here with the intellectual honesty to say that.
    ——-
    No he isn’t
    you are the devil
    leave us and go


  47. @lemuel… Please don’t try to blow sunshine up my ass.

    Everyone here has the intellectual honesty to face the truth.

    Or, at least, everyone on this side of the table….


  48. To Bsc:
    What have you been smoking today. Where are you getting this recent evidence of evolution from. The only true thing you have correctly said is that evolution and creation cannot occur together. A point that many including ROK does not get or will never gt because they want so much to be right that they are even willing to grasp at straws. Do not let ROK use the political technique of having some person in the audience to ask soft questions; do your thinking for your self. Another thing I see you getting mixed up with evolution and ADAPTATION. Remember in evolution there must be a chain, not minor changes to adapt to the environment.


  49. To KIKI:
    I am still very sorry. I am not even allowed a slip of the key board. With your contributions here with respect to black empowerment that statement was unfortunate. Here I stand accuse.


  50. To All:
    It is time for me to go. I have really enjoyed today’s discussion.

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