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Submitted by Terence Blackett

Charles Darwin

โ€œIn the beginning God created the heaven and the earth โ€“ Gen. 1:1

Who holds the โ€œpatentโ€ on the things we see all around us in nature? How do we explain that it takes an estimated 100,000 different proteins to construct a human being? Is that the product of accident, chance or randomization โ€“ or does it spell Intelligent Design? For many, the origin of how life emerged remains one of the great unsolved mysteries and conundrums for both ancient and modern science.

It is recognized that the subject of this current piece is beyond the gamut of unlimited word count to do it any serious scholarship โ€“ however as this is a galvanizing issue and feelings run deep on both sides of the divide, we will attempt to do some form of interim justice given our lack of brevity. For although questions regarding the genesis of life remain a talking-point even within the realm of philosophy – religion (understandably) dominates this platform; yet science continues to hold its own in keeping the debate alive.

So how can concepts like โ€˜abiogenesisโ€™, โ€˜exogenesisโ€™, โ€˜quantum mechanicsโ€™ and โ€˜stellar nucleosynthesisโ€™ assist us in making sense of our primordial quest for understanding?

Let us begin in 1870 where Thomas Huxley opined that “I shall call theโ€ฆdoctrine that living matter may be produced by not living matter, the hypothesis of abiogenesis…” This was a paleoanthropological echo from a not too distant past when Charles Darwin had chained himself to the Tower of Babel in defense that there was no GOD* and in turn hatched a lurid tales of spontaneous regeneration of biological organisms which metamorphosed over billions of years to eventual form all living things including man.

In 1924, Russian biochemist Alexander Oparin also proposed that living cells arose gradually from nonliving matter through a sequence of chemical reactions. This โ€œWarm Soupโ€ theory by evolutionary scientists suggest that according to Oparin, โ€œgases present in the atmosphere of primitive earth, when induced by lightening or other sources of energy, would react to form simple organic compounds. These compounds would subsequently self-assemble into increasingly complex molecules such as proteins. These, in turn, would organize themselves into living cells.โ€

So abiogenesis โ€“ is that field of science dedicated to studying how life might have arisen for the first time on planet earth as some form of primordial protoplasmic globule โ€“ a basis that is challenged by the proponents of exogenesis; both concepts in one way or another debunked by quantum mechanics and stellar nucleosynthesis propping up the Big Bang theory and the evolution of life forms.

Huxleyโ€™s echo continues to reverberate even today as we witness the power of pseudo-indoctrination and its effects upon the human mind. โ€œI had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics, he is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to themselves… For myself, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation, sexual and political.โ€ A. Huxley (evolutionist, leftist, and grandson of T.H. Huxley, known as “Darwin’s bulldog”): Ends and Means, p. 270.

Therefore, if abiogenesis posits this idea of life emerging from virtually nothing, it is clear to see why men fail to believe in the existential nature of a Creator GOD* and that as the Designer โ€“ He made all things according to His will and commands. Huxley, like many, have landed in a quagmire of meaningless; a soup-bowl of void and nothingness โ€“ to find themselves vacuous, empty and alone in the universe.

Let us now examine the theory of exogenesis or panspermia (mutually interchangeable terminologies with slight variants at times) as it is referred to in some circles. Exogenesis is a hypothesis that originated in the 19th century in opposition to the theory of spontaneous generation. The physics of the universe describes exogenesis as an alternative to earthly abiogenesis hypothesizing that “primitive life may have originally formed extraterrestrially, either in space or on a nearby planet such as Mars. Such ideas have had many eminent supporters over the years, including Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the structure of the DNA molecule, and the astrophysicist Sir Fred Hoyle among others. These theories may go some way to explaining the presence of life on Earth so soon after the planet had cooled down, with apparently very little time for prebiotic evolution.”

But there’s a problem here!

If the โ€œseedsโ€ of life already existed somewhere in the universe or from some nearby or distant galaxy, and that life on earth may have originated through some form of scattered “star-dust” (symbolic of the same way a farmer scatters seed into the wind to sow crops) – then life on our planet was the indirect result of cosmic geoponics involving interdependent cross-colonization and cross-fertilization from nearby worlds. Therefore it would be safe to conclude that there is a reverse process as well โ€“ though no scientific proof exists anywhere.

At the molecular level, life as we know it requires the elements hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, phosphorus and sulphur to exist at sufficient densities and temperatures for the chemical reactions between them to occur. These conditions however are not widespread in the universe, so this limits the distribution or scattering of life as an ongoing process damaging the environment for life, as it would be exposed to radiation, cosmic rays, stellar winds and other rogue cosmologies.

Clearly, exogenesis lacks creditability or validity barring a few who would choose to believe that life on earth was the direct result of extraterrestrial phenomena – something Hollywood is keen to exploit in order to engage weak, flaccid and debilitated minds who believe that the concept of a Creator is too simplistic a notion to be given any credence – which brings us to the least understood topic of quantum mechanics and how it can explain (if at all) the origins of life.

Bioastronomy and astrophysics have been in a race to build a quantum computer with the ability to process massive informational data resources inconceivable to the human mind โ€“ given the premise that life as defined by information processing and replicating systems could prove that the abovementioned theories of abiogenesis and exogenesis were merely random concoctions of a primordial chemical soup mix.

While some argue that quantum theory deals with the structure and behaviour of atoms and molecules and it really has absolutely nothing to do with the mythology of abiogenesis or exogenesis as a matter of fact โ€“ yet quantum mechanics does provide (in theory) the building blocks of biochemistry and therefore provides the relative forces including the coherence, entanglement and superposition constituents which allow non-living matter to make up living matter. The plausibility of this speculative assertion rests, however, on life somehow circumventing the decoherence effects of environmental phenomena.

To simplify – Paul Davies suggests for decoherence to be avoided: “In the presence of environmental noise, the delicate phase relationships that characterize quantum effects get scrambled, turning pure quantum states into mixtures and in effect marking a transition from quantum to classical behaviour. Only so long as decoherence can be kept at bay will explicitly quantum effects persist.” But based on this process of randomization โ€“ how plausible is it to keep the fluidity of environmental noise at bay? This is the conundrum!

So to posit with any degree of certainty that the effects of quantum mechanics will play a significant or decisive role in managing the proprietary blends of either abiogenesis or exogenesis would be the subject of an advanced research project.

However, to bring home the disparity that exist within quantum mechanics and the origins of life can be cited from theoretical physicist Paul Davies who argues that “the transition from non-life to life was a quantum-mediated process, and that the earliest form of life involved nontrivial quantum mechanical aspects.” However, J. D. Sinclair argues that based on the Copenhagen Interpretation that “the first question is the indeterminacy of matter while in an unobserved state. This indeterminacy seems to agree very well with a Hindu worldview. Hindus believe the world observed through our senses is an illusion, and the actual reality (the universe) is itself God. One can argue that indeterminacy proves that nature is an illusion after all. It also seems to show that there can be no reality outside the universe, hence God is the universe or there is no God.”

Davies believe that โ€œthe field of molecular biology posed interesting scenarios according to Schrodinger (1944) where the stable transmission of genetic information from generation to generation in discrete bits implied a quantum mechanical process, although he was unaware of the role of or the specifics of genetic encoding. But could quantum mechanics solve the issue of the living state of matter? Or did the quantum mechanical process play a key role in the emergence of life up to a predetermined level, and subsequently ceased to be a significant factor when life became fully emergent?โ€

These are the issues which science is still trying to answer!

The final aspect of our narrative termed stellar nucleosynthesis deals with this concept some call the โ€œBIG BANGโ€ where some proponents believe that many of the plagues which were experienced in the last millennia was due to this theory.

Science explains stellar nucleosynthesis as the collective term for the nuclear reactions taking place in stars to build the nuclei of the elements heavier than hydrogen. Small quantity of these reactions also occurs on the stellar surface under various circumstances. For the creation of elements during the explosion of a star, the term supernova nucleosynthesis is used. So for BIG-BANG* theorists like Chris Halsall this phenomenon is a crucial determinant in their orthodoxy to prove that this is how life originated.

A quantum leap back into the past to the year 1348 – Europe has fallen under the shadow of the Black Death. The Black Death sweeps through Europe between 1348 to 1353 and is thought to have killed one-third of London’s citizens. Many believe that this was the prophesied time of the [7] last plagues of Revelation 15:5, โ€œas the plague decimates all in its path, fear and superstition are rife.โ€

These were the cinematographic portrayals and projections from the 2010 box office movie release aptly entitled โ€œThe Black Deathโ€. Hollywoodโ€™s fascination with dark, sinister themes throws us back to a bygone era in time where myths, legends and folklore ruled the day. The Biblical idea of plagues as is termed in Revelation 8:10-11 where it says: “And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter” is a prophecy of damnable proportions which cannot be easily deconstructed using scientific jargon.

But today, the objectification of that kind of medieval primordiality is coined in the words โ€œconspiracy theoryโ€, โ€œdoomsday propheciesโ€ and neomythology โ€“ theories that tend to either excite, scare or irate most who are moved by them either in one way or another.

However, the line between Hollywood fiction and what is real has been so blurred and it is difficult to tell who is really writing the historical script โ€“ both past and present.

A recent study by a team of paleo-archeologists, osteologists and others from universities in Canada and Germany unearthed surviving fragments of DNA in bones and teeth of 2,400 victims of the Black Death who were buried at a special cemetery a few metres from the Tower of London, providing samples for a ground-breaking research study.

The research indicated that the yersina pestis microbe (the infectious agent) was not present on the British mainland prior the Black Death, which suggest it reached Britain from elsewhere. But how did it get here? What were its origins?

A Roman Catholic nun in Italy, Sister Mariaelena Bianchessi draws on theories presented by Dr. Fred Hoyle and Dr. Chandra Wickramasinghe, both known for their belief that influenza outbreaks are caused by newly arriving viruses from outer space in a recently published a research paper. If this can be proved under vigorous examination โ€“ then it goes quite some distance in proving the inerrant accuracy of the Bible. The other aspects of this theory can be explored in greater details at publication.

Finally, in conclusion, we can wrap up our theoretical sketch by skimming the surface of the creationist debate to see how they juxtapose with the other theories.

In our world currently, many religious fundamentalists believe that the earth and everything on it was created a six [24] hour days, [6000] years ago while evolutionary scientists, atheists and others believe that a Creator GOD* is a myth and as Professor Hawking lamented earlier this year that โ€œHeavenโ€ โ€˜is a place reserved for people who are afraid of the darkโ€™. Musketeers like Hawking, Dawkins & Co; believe the Bible is a book filled with mythology; life is the product of randomization; most importantly, life is the product of undirected events. What is lost in the argument is that theoretical scientists look at the designs in nature and copy products and technologies which have been very beneficial to mankind โ€“ however they fail miserably in answering with any intellectual honesty the question that says – โ€œif the copy required a designer, what about the ORIGINAL?โ€

Evolutionary science hinges on [3] basic myths: Mutations provide the raw materials needed to create new species; Natural selection led to the creation of new species; and fossil records document macroevolutionary changes. However, like Christianity, to a lesser extent, belief in evolution requires a serious act of faith. But as evolutionist Richard Lewontin states, โ€œMany scientist refuse even to consider the possibility of an intelligent Designer because we cannot allow a Divine foot in the door.โ€


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  1. To Bajan Atheist:
    Consider the “wind” if it is not blowing one can safely conclude that it does not exist. But when it blows, then one can safely say it exists. Yet its manifestation is a feeling upon your skin or shirt or paper; that is any thing that is concrete. For the wind is an abstraction, you can not hold it; it goes where it wills. As a rational man is it a god; what is it to you. seeing that it serves good and bad purposes, relieving humidity and causing damage through storms. As a rational man how do you think we should associate with it. Does it deserve honor, respect and a healthy dose of FEAR. Is it immortal? Can it be killed. I


  2. Show the biblical text and the prophecy that was fulfilled. You claimed, bring proof!

    Atheism is not a religion, Atheism is the absence of belief in a deity. Atheist is the opposite of the belief in a god. Because you are an atheist doesn’t mean you are of a religion. Atheism is in no way a religion, it is the absence of belief in gods. you must understand the definition to conclude.


  3. CAN THE [3] VIDEOS POSTED ABOVE BE “debunked” BY ANY OF THE “authorities” ON BU*???

    As most of you don’t know who the AUTHOR* of these videos are:

    Prof. John Charlton Polkinghorne KBE FRS (born 16 October 1930) is an English theoretical physicist, theologian, writer, and Anglican priest. He was professor of Mathematical physics at the University of Cambridge from 1968 to 1979, when he resigned his chair to study for the priesthood, becoming an ordained Anglican priest in 1982. He served as the president of Queens’ College, Cambridge from 1988 until 1996….

    FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE SCIENCE IS BASED ON “rationality” AND CHRISTIANITY “irrationality” – WHAT THINK “ye” OF Professor Polkinghorne? ARE HIS POSITIONS SCIENTIFICALLY SKEWED – BIASED IN FAVOUR OF A CREATOR GOD?

    You decide!!!


  4. Bajan Atheist:
    You claim much but has provided little. The Book of Daniel dealt with the rise of Babylon, Medes and Persians, Greece and Roman. There is historical proof that those kingdoms arose as predicted. Daniel himself was a sort of prime minister in the first two. I must back Terrence here; maybe you were a bench warming SDA.


  5. @TMB. This is what I can’t wrap my head around. To see a well learned fellow like you and so many others, who when it comes to matter of religion, can easily transition from the analytical, critical and rational to the absurd, is totally mind-boggling to me.It’s like a chemist you who believes in alchemy for some reason or another. You cannot have it both ways. I am sure you don’t apply that kind of thinking in your everyday life activities. I cannot see how a rational person with a little dose of common sense can read the bible and not come away feeling disgusted and ashamed.

    The brilliant Isac Newton was a practicing Alchemist and because of his religious conviction he failed to explained what gravity was.Newton didn’t understand what gravity was so he invoked the divine. Einstein wasn’t burden with such baggage.The moral of the story is, just because we don’t understand stuff, it then gives us an excuse to invoke a deity.


  6. The BIGGEST LIE* coming out of Evolutionary Materialism is, that evolution has been proven; ABSOLUTE, HOGWASH!

    Back to basics, THE FOSSIL RECORD!

    “Metazoans, that is, highly COMPLEX multi-cellular creatures, with SPEACIALIZED organs, ABRUPTLY appeal, FULLY FORMED in the fossil record. There are NO* intermediates available from the fossil record that LINK single-celled organisms to COMPLEX invertebrates that SUPPOSEDLY arose from them.” (EVOLUTION: the fossils STILL say NO! p. 53 Emphasis added).

    ‘In any case, if single-cell creatures gave rise to a vast ARRAY of COMPLEX invertebrates, which ABRPTLY burst on the scene, and nearly THREE BILLION YEARS intervened between the origin of LIFE and this “Cambrian explosion” of COMPLICATED invertebrates, we MUST find the record of that EVOLUTION somewhere in the rocks of Precambrian” (Ibid,p. 55)

    Yet, not ONE SINGLE intermediate transitional fossil has EVER been found, linking these EXTREMELY COMPLEX invertebrates to their supposed origin from single-cell creatures.

    “The appearance of this GREAT variety of COMP)LEX creatures is so SUDDEN that it is commonly referred to as the “Cambrian explosion” in geological literature.” ( Ibid., p. 54)

    “….the pevasive,perplexing, and PERSISTENT problem for evolutionary THEORY due to theEXPLOSIVE APPEARANCE* of a vast array of COMPLEX invertebrates in the fossil record with TOTAL ABSENSE of ancestors and NO TRACE of transitional forms ‘between’ the various kinds of invertebrates. RICHARD DAWKINS, the British biologist and evolutionist states:

    “…the Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years [evolutionists are now dating the beginning of the Cambrian at about 530 million years], are the oldest in which we find most of the major invertebrates groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution (Really Dawkins!), the very first time the APPEAR; it is as though they were just planted there WITHOUT any evolutionary history. Needless to say, this APPEARANCE of SUDDEN planting has delighted Creationists.” ( Ibid., p.57 Emphasis added).

    Absolutely, Dawkins, Bajan Atheist et al, evolutionary materialists, it IS* not only a delight to us believers in Creation, confirming PROOF* that Almighty God, and His Word IS* True, over and over again, in a vast multiplicity of evidential scientific ways, NOT the pseudo-science of Darwin, Dawkins and Co,

    The POINT that has STUCK in the throats of Evolutionary Materialists, IS* that they CANNOT* get past the absolutly AMAZING FOSSIL record, and therfore, must be continuely FABRICATING, all kinds of JARGON, that simply has NO evidence in true science, all THEORIES, NOT FACTS,

    The FOSSIL RECORD, says it ALL, NO* EVOLUTION* EVER* OCCURRED, period!


  7. @ 40 acres

    “TMB. This is what I canโ€™t wrap my head around. To see a well learned fellow like you and so many others, who when it comes to matter of religion, can easily transition from the analytical, critical and rational to the absurd, is totally mind-boggling to me….

    DEAR BOY* NONE OF US ARE/WERE AS SO-CALLED “learned” AS THE APOSTLE PAUL BUT HE WENT FROM A “violent, sincere, agitated, establishment ASSASSIN* TO A ZEALOUS, DEVOUT, PROSELYTIZING, ADVOCATE & WRITER OF ALMOST 2 THIRDS OF THE BIBLE…

    HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT kinda’* PHENOMENAL TRANSFORMATION?

    CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME “science” HERE? ROFL!!!

    HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN 12 WEAK, SPINELESS, IMPOTENT, CAVILING, IGNORANT FISHERMEN, TAX COLLECTORS AND OTHERS TRANSFORMED INTO MEN WHO TURNED THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN – AND WOULD GIVE THEIR LIVES FOR A JEWISH CARPENTER NAMED “Jesus” (YESHUA)???

    WOULD YOU DIE FOR THE CARPENTER DOWN THE STREET? ROFL!!!

    MAYBE YOU HAVEN’T FOUND ANYTHING YET TO DIE FOR – hence the reason you and others really have “NOTHING” to live for, other than for the “DAILY” grind and all it encompasses…

    DON’T BE BOGGLED, KERFUFFLED*, or to use the terminology of the “KNUCKLEHEAD” who instigated this piece – “BAMBOOZLED” BY OUR POSITION – some will truly “BELIEVE” because “they have eyes to see and ears to hear”… THE OTHERS HAVE “eyes” BUT SEE NOT* – “ears” BUT HEAR NOT”…

    SO NO SURPRISE THERE FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE IN THE KNOW!!!!

    ROFLOL!!!


  8. To Our Young scientist here:
    One of you challenged the religious minded readers to go to a simple text on science to gain some knowledge of what science is really about and the fantastic developments that have accrued. I did. Under the Chapter Scientific Methods and the Nature of science this is stated: ” Understanding the various concepts and issues (about science) may also help you to recognize that SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE (my caps) is NOT (my caps) as SECURE (my caps) as is commonly supposed and that scientific THEORIES (my caps) are never CONCLUSIVELY (my caps) proven. So what do you say Bajan Atheist and BSC in some kind of science. I hope that you know that EVOLUTION is a theory.


  9. โ€œINTELLECTUAL HONESTYโ€ is not your forte and that of many on the BLOG* as it is easy to side-swipe and side-step pertinent questions by providing what can only be termed as โ€œEXCUSESโ€โ€ฆ

    Why then, did an all knowing God, create the Devil.
    Did he NOT know that there would have been a rebellion in Heaven?
    By that argument, Heaven was NOT a perfect place.
    How could envy ever be in the heart of an angel?
    The same way he flooded the Earth, burnt Sodom and Gomorrah, couldn’t he have easily purged Heaven of the rebels?
    Why then create a being who had no part to play in the rebellion, but would pay forever through his offspring because of the leader of the rebellion?
    Some claim Adam and Eve had ‘free will’. What is the purpose of being created with ‘free will’ but NO knowledge or understanding? They got these 2 characteristics AFTER eating the fruit.
    Why put the tree in the Garden, Why was the Devil even allowed in the Garden?

    Can ANY of the Christian folk answer these WITHOUT sidestepping?
    Can we have the same intellectual honesty in answering, that is being asked?
    If the Blog is devoid of intellectual honesty, here is a great time for the educated, articulate well researched Christians to inject a good dose……..take it away guys!!


  10. Another valid point, of which there are too numerous to mention here,
    LOGICALLY, rationally, and scientifically CONFIRM Creation, is this:

    “The many invertebrate ‘phyla’, such as ‘clams, snails, brachiopods, sea urchins, sponges, jellyfish, trilobites, etc, differ DRASTICALLY from one another, yet, evolutionists BELIEVE, as Valentine describes, that ALL of them came from the same ancestor – a flatworm like creature. This is based on FAITH, of course, for as Valentine describes later in the same article, those creatures developed skeletonized structutres ( those creatures with HARD PARTS, such as clams, snails, trilobites, coral, etc), did SO independently and WITHOUT* ANY TRACE of ancestors or transitional forms.” ( Ibid., p,58)

    Again, what FAITH in utter, illogical, NONSENSE, do these Evolutionists, ATHEISTS Have?

    “Taking into acount the number of phyla, and the number of classes within the number of classes within each phylum, that appears in Cambrian rocks, Valentine estimates that about 300 creatures with different MAJOR body plans and sub-plans are found in these rocks. BILLIONS times BILLIONS of FOSSILS of these creatures are entombed in the Cambrian rocks, scattered on the face of the earth. These rocks and Pre-Cambrian rocks, should contain BILLIONS of FOSSILS of the vast number of INTERMEDIATES that would have existed IF* evolution is true, YET, not ONE have EVER been found.” (Ibid., p.59).

    Come now, Bajan Atheist, Agnostic, et al, it IS* impossible, illogical, irrational, to believe that in this so-called period, 530 MILLION years of this so-called evolutionary time period, that in this vastly COMPLEX array of extremely DIFFERENT invertebrates, that during ALL of this evolutionary PROCESS, that, there is not ONE* single TRANSITIONAL, INTERMEDIATE fossil to be found?

    What debased, intellectual DISHONESTY this IS*, and you all deceitful LIARS, have the GALL, to present this HOAX* of evolution, under the guise, of a whole bunch of TERMS, and phrases, that amount to nothing but THEORIES, with NO* true scientific EVIDENCE, no decent words can adequately describes such devious thinkers, who call themselves Scientists!!!

    NO LIE, is of the TRUTH. Evolution is a LIE!!!


  11. @TMB. How do you reconcile that the flood that the bible spoke about was also told by other ancient societies eg the Sumerians or Greek Atlantis?. How do you reconcile that the concept of virgin birth is associated with umpteen deities and folklore heroes ( eg. Krishna, Ramulus, Hercules, Bacchus, Adonysis etc)?. How do you reconcile the farce that took place at the council of Nicea? What about the apocrypha? how do you really reconcile that christianity borrowed a lot from Egyptian paganism.? Try as you may, you guys are just grabbing at straws.


  12. “Elridge admits: “The Cambrian evolutionary explosion is STILL shrouded in MYSTERY.” But creation scientists say, what greater EVIDENCE for Creation could the rocks GIVE than ABRUPT appearance of a GREAT variety of COMPLEX creatures WITHOUT* a TRACE* of ancestors. Thus we see, right from the beginning on the basis of an evolutionary scenario, the EVIDENCE* IS* directly CONTRADICTORY to predictions based on evolution, BUT, is remarkably IN* accord with predictions based on Creation. This EVIDENCE* ALONE, is* sufficient to establish the FACT* that evolution has NOT* occurred on earth.” ( Ibid., p.69 Emphasis added)

    The Great Gulf Between Invertebrate and Vertebrate.
    “Incredible! One hundred MILLION years of evolution and NO FOSSILIZED transitional forms! All hypotheses COMBINED, no matter how ingenious, could NEVER pretend, on the basis of evolution theory, to account for a GAP of such MAGNITUDE. Such FACTS, on the other hand, are in perfect accord with the predictions of the Creation model.” ( Ibid., p. 74, Emphasis added).

    “Just think ( Evolutionists) Fishes, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals, are ALL verterbrates. The origin of vertebrates would have been the GREATEST EVENT in ALL history. Volume after volume should have been written about this momentous event. These volumes should be FULL of pictures of the various INTERMEDIATES* documenting the step by step conversion of an invertebrate into a FISH, and many intermediates LINKING one KIND of fish to another. Here would BE undoubted proof of the fact of evolution. BUT, what we have INSTEAD, is a vast VOID* a total BLANK*. The only thing that evolutionists can offer is an attempt to fill this VOID* is simply POINTLESS SPECULATION* totally DEVOID of EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE*. Here, at this very early point in the consideration of evidence, from the fossil record, EVOLUTION THEORY* is left DEAD* in the water.” ( Ibid., pp. 80-82, Emphasis added)


  13. @ TECHIE*

    “Can we have the same intellectual honesty in answering, that is being asked???”

    ARE YOU READY FOR CHAPTER & VERSE on your pile-up of questions given that you LOT* are the first to start moaning about the BREVITY* of other people’s POST*? IT MAY TAKE A FEW DAYS BUT IT WILL BE THERE FOR YOU TO READ!!!

    Also, will you also answer the ???? that have been already posted seeing that BA & Co; have inadvertently side-stepped them by offering some other kind of EXCUSE?

    The preponderance of THE DEBATE* is to have questions answered if at all possible and SURELY IF IT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE – IT MUST BE GOOD FOR THE GANDER?

    ROFL!!!


  14. Further, the exact same scenario as presented above, re, “The Fossil Record – from Microorganisms to Fisg”, is more or less the exact SAME situation from the Fossil Record, for:

    The Fossil Record – from Fish to Reptiles
    The Fossil Record – The Origin of Mammals, and,
    The Fossil Record of Man.

    Sense Organs.

    The amazing, incredibly, and vastly COMPLEX ‘Sense Organs’ in FISH, alone and what would be REQUIRED via evolutionary transition, in order to survive on land, and the MIRACULOUS, DETAILED necessity, of COMPLEX SPECIFIED INFORMATION, ( CSI) of its sensory structures, from ‘water’ to ‘air’ would have been nothing short of been MIRACULOUS, in order to survive.

    “How could a fish or the alleged proto-amphibian SURVIVE* on land BEFORE* his many sensory structures HAD* UNDERGONE* extensive reorganization in order to ADAPT to the physical and chemical differences between WATER* and AIR? Keep in mind that EACH SENSE ORGAN, HAD to FUNCTION* correctly from the VERY FIRST*, each CHANGE had to OCCUR* in the RIGHT* SEQUENCE, and be coordinated with ALL OTHERS* (Precisely!) and all of this had to take place via random or ACCIDENTAL changes or mutations of genes. (Also) Many other important physiological CHANGES would have to had to take place to ENABLE* the nascent amphibiam, or part-way amohibian, to survive on land.” (Ibid., p.86 Emphasis added).

    Come MR. Evolutionists, Atheist, et al, the absolute, minute, incredibly, COMPLEX SPECIFIED INFORMATION, both physical and chemical changes, that would have been required, in these numerous sensory structures, of a FISH, to transition IT* into a LAND based creature, bearing in mind always, that IF* any of these COMPLEX SPECIFIED INFORMATION, physical and chemical changes did NOT occur, in EXACT order and sequence, the VERY FIRT TIME, ‘Puff’ utter chaos.

    And you all ‘evolutionists’ Atheist, believe, this utter CRAP, only deranged morons, or densely INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST scientists, would conceive such hogwash fantasy, and then seek to propagate it as ‘Science.’!!!


  15. Terence, Don’t waste your time with that ‘redherring’ oriented ‘DISTRACTER’ as all of his questions posed to you, have already been answered in detail BEFORE, right here on BU, re the Devil, Free Will, etc, keep focused on what you’ve been posting, as these “Bildge’ Pumpers have NO ANSWER, for FACTS and TRUTH.


  16. @ TECHIE

    ZOE said that – ” all of his questions posed to you, have already been answered in detail BEFORE, right here on BU, re the Devil, Free Will, etc…”

    WHAT SAY YE?


  17. โ€œTwo natures beat within my breast: one is foul, the other blessed; The one I love, the one I hate; the one I feed will dominate…โ€

    Clearly, “atheism” is the enemy of the SOUL*…

    “Socialism” kills passion and motivation…

    “Communism” annihilates liberty…

    “Globalization” – leading to a ONE*- WORLD** GOVERNMENT***, is a disaster in the making as it destroys community life, local productivity, and introduces power-mongers onto the world stage…

    DARWIN* MUST BE LAUGHING REAL HARD DOWN IN THE BOWEL OF “hades”…


  18. @ techie

    I FELT THAT THE ISSUE OF “FREE WILL” NEEDED SOME EISEGETICAL ELABORATION AS MOST WHO DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ANY BELIEF OR FAITH IN GOD OFTEN GET THEIR “knickers” IN A TWIST OVER THIS ISSUE – DUE IN PART TO A LACK OF PROPER STUDY AND EVALUATION OF THE [2] CONCEPTS CALLED: “free will and determinism”…

    In the “STANFORD ENCYCLOPEDIA OF PHILOSOPHY” – these issues are clarified using the philosophical paradigm of – “COMPATIBILISM”…

    According to the SEP – “Compatibilism offers a solution to the free will problem. This philosophical problem concerns a disputed incompatibility between free will and determinism. Compatibilism is the thesis that free will is compatible with determinism. Because free will is typically taken to be a necessary condition of moral responsibility, compatibilism is sometimes expressed in terms of a compatibility between moral responsibility and determinism…”

    1. Terminology and One Formulation of the Free Will Problem

    1.1 Free Will

    It would be misleading to specify a strict definition of free will since in the philosophical work devoted to this notion there is probably no single concept of it.

    For the most part, what philosophers working on this issue have been hunting for, maybe not exclusively, but centrally, is a feature of agency that is necessary for persons to be morally responsible for their conduct.[1]

    Different attempts to articulate the conditions for moral responsibility will yield different accounts of the sort of agency required to satisfy those conditions.

    What is needed, then, as a starting point, is a gentle, malleable notion that focuses upon special features of persons as agents.

    Hence, as a theory-neutral point of departure, free will can be defined as the unique ability of persons to exercise control over their conduct in the fullest manner necessary for moral responsibility.[2]

    Clearly, this definition is too lean when taken as an endpoint; the hard philosophical work is about how best to develop this special kind of control. But however this notion of control is developed, its uniqueness consists, at least in part, in being possessed only by persons.


  19. To All:
    Given techie’s call for answers, Zoe determination and Terrence’s volume, who is winning this war.


  20. CONT’D

    1.5 The Free Will Problem

    If we are to understand compatibilism as a solution to the free will problem, it would be useful to have some sense of the problem itself.

    Unfortunately, just as there is no single notion of free will that unifies all of the work philosophers have devoted to it, there is no single specification of the free will problem.

    In fact, it might be more helpful to think in terms of a range of problems. Regardless, any formulation of the problem can be understood as arising from a troubling sort of entanglement of our concepts, an entanglement that seems to lead to contradictions, and thus that cries out for a sort of disentangling.

    In this regard, the free will problem is a classic philosophical problem; we are, it seems, committed in our thought and talk to a set of concepts which, under scrutiny, appear to comprise a mutually inconsistent set.

    Formally, to settle the problemโ€”to disentangle the setโ€”we must either reject some concepts, or instead, we must demonstrate that the set is indeed consistent despite its appearance to the contrary. Just to illustrate, consider this set of propositions as an historically very well known means of formulating the free will problem.

    READ MORE: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/


  21. To terence :
    Are you saying that “free will” and “determinism” can exist at the same time. If that is so are they not counter to each other, like the terms good and bad, without the human shades of them applied. Or are you implying that both exist apart but the human entity then “choose” which one shall dominate their approach to life.


  22. Let start with Lemuel first….

    lemuel | September 8, 2011 at 12:57 PM |

    To All:
    Given techieโ€™s call for answers, Zoe determination and Terrenceโ€™s volume, who is winning this war.

    In any debate or discussion, there shouldnt be any victory…..just learning.
    Sadly you have seemed to lost your way.


  23. @ Zoe….

    Insult me all you want, you are still in your Religious Evolution so very soon you will be on to something else.
    Roman Catholic, Freemasons, Right Wing Evangelical Fanatic…..we will see what you will evolve to in a few years, who knows might be a SDA..lol.
    Run along now you Religious Nomad!!


  24. TB
    It ain’t much of a blog if :
    (a) the author hogs the posts
    (b) drowns out all participants
    (c) acts like he knows everything
    (d) shoots down contradictory positions
    (e) repeats same similar themes repeatedly
    (such as talking about god god and more god)


  25. @ TECHIE

    ZOE said that โ€“ โ€ all of his questions posed to you, have already been answered in detail BEFORE, right here on BU, re the Devil, Free Will, etcโ€ฆโ€

    WHAT SAY YE?

    I say that he (Zoe) did the same thing you are accusing BA of…sidestepping.
    If you are going to continue in the same vein by clouding your responses with lots of lyrical waxing and biblical jargon, just forget it.

    Remember, it is ppl like you and Zoe who chastise us mere mortals for not having the great ability to think like you all.
    Keep it simple…lol….if possible.


  26. To techie:
    Given the back and forth, may I asked where is this “learning ” happening.


  27. @Bajan Atheist: “Atheism is not a religion, Atheism is the absence of belief in a deity. Atheist is the opposite of the belief in a god. Because you are an atheist doesnโ€™t mean you are of a religion. Atheism is in no way a religion, it is the absence of belief in gods. you must understand the definition to conclude.

    Actually, on this point I just disagree.

    Atheism is as much a “leap” of faith as any religion. Atheists cannot prove there isn’t a god any more than someone who believes in a god can prove one (or more) exists.

    This is why religion is referred to as “faith”.

    And this is why I believe that Atheists are as dishonest as the Faithful.

    IMHO, the only truly honest position disbelievers can take is being Agnostic. As in, we don’t believe there is a god (or gods), but we are willing to be proven wrong.


  28. @ LEMUEL

    The latter…

    @ZOE

    Thoughtful insights – thank you…


  29. @ KIKI

    Cud dear…


  30. @ TECHIE

    “WHAT SAY YE?”


  31. throughout recent history the winners in society were the gunmen


  32. @All… Tangential…

    This week’s eSkeptic is interesting…

    http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/


  33. To Terrence:
    I read the piece from the Stanford Ency. In the discussion there seems to be the assumption that both in free will and determinism that no frame of reference is given or required. That is the agent is not told or informed of any existing rules or laws that circumvented their actions. Remember in the Garden of eden, eve told the serpent that she and adam were told not to even touch the fruit. Wasn’t that their frame of reference or rules or law. Are you concurring that we can abstract rules or the law from the discussion of free will and fully understand it within the context of determinism.


  34. lets all have a day off from god or whatever


  35. @lemuel: “Remember in the Garden of eden, eve told the serpent that she and adam were told not to even touch the fruit.

    Language is important.

    It has been alleged that this happened….


  36. If scientific or astronomic evidence is correct, we can expect more of this. As the time gets closer for the arrival of Nibiru to line up with the rest of the planets in our sun’s orbit, we can expect not just sightings but landings to the point where these “gods” become very familiar to us:
    http://youtu.be/RjGYSGbAEUM


  37. @ROK… Just for clarification, is this what you are referring to?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision

    If not, please provide other evidence.


  38. @CH

    I am not so sure about the predictions for the coming of the second sun. I am awaiting some confirmation that the planet is there. Some reports are that the planet can be seen from Australia. However, I am not taking on the fear-mongering, If there is a planet out there heading our way, we must see it at some time… and as I said, if it is the same planet referred to by the Dogon People, the Mayans, etc., then we can only await its appearance. I am not into the doomsday talk, because in my own estimation, no one can foretell whether or not there will be massive damage. If the picture does unfold, we have to take it one day at a time.

    However, all I am saying is that if all we have been hearing is true and that this is the planet where the gods live, then we should expect to see them when the planet is approaching. I am not about pre-judging how our planetary neighbours will behave towards the human race. If they are real, I expect that as a superior technology, they will have some respect for nature and therefore this talk about the destruction of the earth by them is not consistent with a race of beings who have a superior technology.

    Of course, we say to every rumour there is some truth. However, we may not be reading this very clear for many reason. For example, the originators of the story (Ancient peoples) may not have it correct at all or there may be some information lost, etc. in passing down the story.

    If however, the scientists are reporting that there is something out there affecting Pluto and the outer planets, we should be looking to find it. My position is one of finding evidence and not base anything on belief because just as I am not going to let the Bible mislead me, I will take the same approach with any other information from any other source. I have reached the stage where I either know or don’t know. On that score, I will end by saying that there is no conclusive evidence anywhere to support the claim about Nibiru as I am not familiar with the veracity of such reports. I will be convinced when/if I see it in the sky.

    So far, I do not know of any astronomers or persons with telescope access who can report anything at all about unusual behaviour in the heavens.


  39. @ROK: “So far, I do not know of any astronomers or persons with telescope access who can report anything at all about unusual behaviour in the heavens.

    The reason I enjoy working with you is that you are honest.


  40. “In any debate or discussion, there shouldn’t be any victory….JUST LEARNING” Emphasis added.

    “…JUST LEARNING”

    What does Paul in his second Letter to Timothy say concerning “LEARNING”

    “Knowing this also, that in the LAST DAYS perilous times shall come. For men shall be LOVERS of their OWN SELVES covetous, boasters, PROUD, BLASPHEMERS, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, FALSE ACCUSERS of those that are good. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure, more than lovers of God.” ( 2 Tim. 3: 1-4).

    Now, listen to verse 7, re “LEARNING”

    “EVER LEARNING, and NEVER able to COME to the KNOWLEDGE of THE TRUTH. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these (EVER LEARNING) also RESIST the TRUTH*; men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the FAITH (body of doctrinal Truth!) But they shall proceed NO FURTHER, for their FOLLY* shall be manifested unto all men ( here on BU, and elsewhere!) as theirs also was.” (vv. 7-9 Emphasis added).

    Enough said! So it be!!!


  41. @Zoe…

    Why must you talk so much?

    Quoting, and quoting, and quoting. And then quoting*…

    Think for yourself.

    It’s not actually that difficult.


  42. Much has been said re “Atheism” and its untenable view of God.

    The Agnostic View.

    Agnosticism holds that one cannot know whether God exist or not. It neither denies nor affirms the existence of God. A Gnostic is “a knowing one” who says “I know all.” An Agnostic is one who says “I cannot know” or “I know nothing.” This view holds that we cannot have knowledge as to the existence or nature of God and the universe. It IS* WILLFULL IGNORANCE! ( Acts 17:23)

    Therefore, the Atheistic and Agnostic views are not tenable. Both are contrary to man’s deepest convictions that there IS* a God to whom man IS* accountable. They are attempts of man to ESCAPE* from a God they know exist.

    In Summary:

    The Atheist says there is no God, and thus sets himself up as God.
    The Agnostic says he cannot know whether God exist, and thus makes WILLFULL* ignorance, his God.


  43. BTW, Halsall, your effort, or lack thereof, of ‘thinking’ for yourself, has assertively, led you into IGNORANCE, no doubt about it!!!


  44. @Zoe: “…your effort, or lack thereof, of โ€˜thinkingโ€™ for yourself, has assertively, led you into IGNORANCE, no doubt about it!!!

    Coming from you, that is a complement.


  45. “BTW, Halsall, your effort, or lack thereof, of โ€˜thinkingโ€™ for yourself, has assertively, led you into IGNORANCE, no doubt about it!!!”

    ROFLMAO…..Well well, ZOE you have shown yourself up to be the BIGGEST JACKASS in town. LOLLLLLLL HEEE HAWWWW

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