Quantum Consciousness v Definable Reality: Can We Really Trust What We Experience Within The Realm Of So-Called Reality?
Submitted by Terence Blackett
“Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.”
“The present can never be properly understood without correct information concerning the past. Those who have been taught falsified history or who have had their minds filled with the twisted interpretations of events gone by, stagger like the blind with a darkened mind.” (B. G. Wilkinson)
Nikola Tesla believed that: “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena; it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” It would be interesting to see how many also shares the same opinion!
Man has mapped the genome. We have plotted charts to the stars and sent crafts to outer galaxies. We have developed AI technologies and have written code & algorithms which have created a parallel world we call ‘cyberspace’, run on a Delphic, arcane ‘Matrix’ called the World-Wide-Web (www.).
Cutting-edge science having crossed an abstruse Rubicon into another time-space continuum we call hyper-reality – where the lines between quantum quirks, human consciousness & subconsciousness seem forever blurred.
So in a 2016 post-materialist world, the evolutionary trajectory of quantum science seeks to provide answers as variations in discovery shows us new ways of thinking about the natural/material and supernatural world around us – as we grapple with what is observable reality and what is empirically definable reality, given the almost sibylline task of working out the challenges which will greet us in the future.
Presently, many are asking: – “Can we trust anything that is around us?”
The answer may be much deeper than just a categorical ‘Yes’ or ‘No’!
In 1953, Watson & Crick identified the structure of DNA molecules, revealing that DNA information determines who we basically are, but since the 1980s, it has been hypothesized that there is a 2nd layer of information on top of the existing genetic code consisting of DNA mechanical properties.
On the heels of radical breakthroughs in genetic research, theoretical physicist Helmut Schiessel et al have now provided us with strong evidence that this 2nd layer of information does indeed exists – given that our DNA mechanics, in addition to the genetic information in our DNA, determines who we are. Schiessel simulated many DNA sequences and found a correlation between mechanical cues and the way DNA is actually folded.
Yet what is still commonly overlooked in the mainstream scientific community is the fact that matter (protons, electrons, photons etc.) – actually, anything that has mass is not the only definable reality. So profound questions are being asked by theoretical physicists, quantum biologists, cosmologists and others as to how we can arrive at a better understanding of non-physical matter, when our focus is so intent on conventional approaches to science?
Sadly, science is still trying to catch up with the BIBLE* in discovering that “Consciousness Creates Reality” in its broadest sense yet in its minutest terms – for “as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.”
The 1918 Nobel Prize winner, theoretical physicist and quantum theory creator, Max Planck suggests: “I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.”
But what is quantum consciousness as defined within the construct of definable reality? And can definable reality ever hope to unlock the primordiality of quantum consciousness? Is that a shot too far into the dark, in an involuted quest for the ‘God Particle’ – knowing that to unravel the mysteries of time & space, as well as our own place in the universal matrix, calls for human ingenuity and quantum consciousness which we currently do not possess?
Thought provoking?
Past conversations on Barbados Underground with Double-Slit theory advocates like Chris Halsall has created rambunctious debate over this mysterious foundational principal within quantum science and how the mechanics which can be empirically defined, within the realm of observable reality, given that this experiment is a very popular way of determining how consciousness and our physical material world are somehow symbiotically intertwined.
As a result, there has been vociferous arguments regarding the post-materialist paradigm of quantum science, i.e. and the mechanics surrounding consciousness and definable reality that has created a form of double jeopardy for many scientists and lay-persons in trying to make sense of the illusory world around us, as well as the “spiritual” nexus, we called quantum reality. It is almost like asking a child to explain God and how He thinks on any given day.
Thus the approaches to understanding the enigmatic complexities of quantum science – we find for example researchers in the field of psychoneuroimmunology indicate that our thoughts and emotions can markedly affect the activity of our physiological systems (e.g., immune, endocrine & cardiovascular systems) which directly connected to our brain provides that super-computer with the power to operate and harnesses all the cerebral algorithms of spatial time and quantum consciousness.
When looking at the question of ‘time’ for example, quantum science research posits time within the contextual framework of how we see, understand and measure it – however, according to physicist Andrew Truscott – most observable phenomena, if that is what we want to call it, suggest that “reality does not exist unless we are looking at it” for in the meta-spiritual world of subatomic quantum physics, definable or macroscopic reality – scientists have proven that what happens to particles in the past is only decided when they are observed and measured in the future for until such time, reality is just an abstraction.
It is therefore becoming increasingly difficult for modern medical science to dismiss the concept of quantum biology given that according to Erwin Schrodinger in his book – “What is Life” suggested that the macroscopic order of life was based on order at its quantum level. Yet if Schrodinger were alive today in 2016, he would appreciate that the fascinating world of quantum reality, if at all possible to define, is really an ordered state of quantum spirituality, where the architectural framework of Newtonian physics and thermodynamics, immersed in the Freemasonry concept of Ordo ab Chao (‘Order out of Chaos’) has been turned on its head to reveal a whole new world of wonder and intrigue – all of it based on this ‘abstraction theory’ called ‘time’.
No wonder our grandparents reminded us that ‘time’ is a great healer – this I know only too well!
To plot the recent history of this concept of quantum consciousness as a definable scientific reality and whether as human beings we can really “TRUST” anything within the gambit of observable phenomena, based on our five senses is still a work in progress – as human intelligence, development and spiritual ascendency remains ‘Under Construction’.
In 1989, Sir Roger Penrose Nobel candidate, mathematical physicist, mathematician and philosopher, proposed a connection between the mind and quantum mechanics in his book ‘The Emperor’s New Mind’. He claimed that consciousness is created by quantum mechanical operations carried out in the brain cells by means of objective reduction. According to Penrose, the place in the brain where quantum mechanical operations take place is in the microtubules found in concentration in the brain cells.
Interestingly, while no reference was made to Penrose’s claims in the main neuroscience journals and they attracted no attention there, they attracted the attention of one Stuart Hameroff. Hameroff who was Emeritus professor of Anaesthesiology and Psychology at the University of Arizona – had devoted a large part of ten years to understanding how the microtubules could act like a computer network inside the brain cells (2001). Hameroff had previously seen each brain cell as a key, but now with the microtubules in the cell performing the function of a key.
As with Penrose’s work, Hameroff’s ideas also attracted little attention from other neuroscientists – and although Hameroff had a theory of consciousness that involved microtubules, he did not know which quantum mechanical events were at the base of it (Hameroff & Penrose 2003).
Penrose also had a quantum mechanical theory of consciousness, but he had no suitable biological basis for it. Then in 1992, Hameroff arranged a meeting with Penrose. After talking for two hours, they produced a theory on how consciousness could arise by quantum mechanics from the microtubules in the brain cells.
This Penrose-Hameroff theory became one of the main foundations of the quantum mechanical theory of consciousness. Penrose says of these theories “I am 90% sure that these claims are basically correct – at a good guess maybe 80% are correct.” (NeuroQuantology 2010; 2: 120‐136)
Regrettably, of all the facets of human life to adequately explain, far less to intellectually grapple with, is the most controversial area of religion and spirituality, given the vast field of purported speculatory knowledge – much of it based on mysticism, human formulations and creative cerebral engineering.
For example, according to Nestorius, (I will assume most know who he is), Jesus was born a mere human being – a man-child to Mary, and only subsequently after, became imbued with a Divine Nature.
In opposition to this theory, Eutyches inverted the assertion to the opposite extreme, opining that human nature and divine nature were inextricably combined into the single nature of Christ: that of the Incarnate Word. This would imply that Jesus’ human body was essentially different from other human bodies – a theological concept called Eutychianism.
On the other hand, there is the Christological position that Christ has only one nature (Divine) – placing his physiological dimensions into the realm of “Holy Flesh” – a concept we call Monophysitism.
Then there is the doctrine that declares that Christ operated with but ‘one will’, although He had two distinct natures – an epistemological position termed Monotheletism.
Then finally, there’s the view proposed by Apollinaris of Laodicea (390 AD) that Jesus had a human body and lower soul (the seat of the emotions) but a ‘Divine Mind’ or (Consciousness). Apollinaris further taught that the souls of men were propagated by other souls, as well as their bodies – a teaching known as Apollinarianism.
All these variant concepts have roots within the primordial world of quantum spirituality – and etched to one degree or another into the fabric of Christianity and whether right or wrong, the arguments and debates will continue ad infinitum.
Again, in classical theism, proponents argue that God is outside of time, and His knowledge does not change. While in traditional theism He interposes His will within the affairs of men. Yet within the traditional framework, we have witnessed a long historical set of causes and effects which have multiplied human suffering and woe.
For example to name a few:
• Preoccupation with physical appetites
• Rapid advances in technology
• Uniformitarian philosophies
• Inordinate devotion to pleasure and comfort
• No concern for God in either belief or conduct
• Disregard for the sacredness for the ‘marriage relationship’
• Rejection of the Inspired Word of God
• Population explosion
• Corruption throughout society
• Preoccupation with ‘Illicit sexual activity’
• Widespread thoughts and words of blasphemy
• Organized Satanic* activity
• Promotion of systems and movements of abnormal depravity
So today, finding God within the corollary of science seem antithetical to common reasoning for most academic purists who when listening to Stuart Hameroff’s epistemological position will infer to some degree that his exegesis on ‘God in a nutshell’ (to use Trey Smith’s YouTube Handle’s description as a point of reference) place the ‘Imagery’ of God outside of the classical or traditional abstract conventional paradigms in which most believe He exist – to the obvious chagrin and derision of men like Richard Dawkins et al.
For Dawkins & Co. believe something is inherently wrong with Scripture that posits this concept of Order out of Chaos theory – where for example, in the doctrine of “Manifest Destiny” that propelled American Puritans westward from England in the 1600’s – wanting ‘No King or Pope’ to rule over them, but where men could have ‘Liberty of Conscience’ in matters of the soul, but then in the Civil War, they became enveloped in religious controversy, where most Southerners believed they were on the winning side of a theological argument that said: “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.” (Ephesians 6:5)
This too is a subject for another day!
Dawkins like his contemporary, retired physicist Victor Stenger in his landmark book: “Quantum Gods: Creation, Chaos, and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness” literally rips to shred any idea of a Divine Intelligence at the Apex of quantum spirituality and tries to vociferously debunk solid research findings in areas of quantum mechanics – questions which postulate pre-given answers that would attest to a Divine Nature and order of things seen and unseen.
It was then left to David Scharf in the Journal NeuroQuantology, March 2010, Vol. 8, Issue 1, p. 77‐100 to categorically ‘debunk’ the “debunkers” like Stenger et al by proving that his methodological orthodoxy given: “his own reasoning was characterized by unremitting carelessness….Moreover, there is a method to his carelessness – it enables him to systematically avoid addressing the tough arguments of his opponents. Hence, we find him frequently setting up a straw man by misrepresenting the debate as a simple matter of science and reason versus superstition. Once having defined this as the issue, all he needs to do is assume the attitude of an outraged scientist and heap on the ridicule. But if he had done his homework and taken the trouble to really understand the science and logic supporting quantum spirituality, he would have discovered that it is harder to dismiss than he had imagined. Indeed, the more carefully – and yes, critically – one considers the issues, the more one finds quantum spirituality to be eminently worthy of serious consideration, as a plausible and measured approach to the most long‐standing and intractable questions at the basis of science.”
In conclusion, can we really trust anything or anyone as our construction of reality is dependent on a myriad of factors – most of which seem outside the plausible realm of human explanation or reason and to which most find solace in a form of almost utter denial and obfuscation. For many good religious folk are remiss or simply cannot quantify or qualify evolutionary theory within the narrative of Hoffmanian ontological reasoning – as most still believe that ‘Evolutionary Science’ and Christianity are diametrically opposing opposites.
Permit me to disagree!
More on that position in another piece…
Betrand Russell in his book “Problems of Philosophy” (1959) solidifies the argument very succinctly: “in daily life, we assume as certain many things which, on a closer scrutiny, are found to be so full of apparent contradictions that only a great amount of thought enables us to know what it is that we really may believe. In the search for certainty, it is natural to begin with our present experiences, and in some sense; no doubt, knowledge is to be derived from them. But any statement as to what it is that our immediate experiences make us know is very likely to be wrong. It seems to me that I am now sitting in a chair, at a table of a certain shape, on which I see sheets of paper with writing or print. By turning my head I see out of the window buildings and clouds and the sun. I believe that the sun is about ninety-three million miles from the earth; that it is a hot globe many times bigger than the earth; that, owing to the earth’s rotation, it rises every morning, and will continue to do so for an indefinite time in the future. I believe that, if any other normal person comes into my room, he will see the same chairs and tables and books and papers as I see, and that the table which I see is the same as the table which I feel pressing against my arm. All this seems to be so evident as to be hardly worth stating, except in answer to a man who doubts whether I know anything. Yet all this may be reasonably doubted, and all of it requires much careful discussion before we can be sure that we have stated it in a form that is wholly true.”
The Scriptures is an incessant reminder that we shall ‘KNOW’ the ‘TRUTH’ and the ‘TRUTH’ shall set us free. Whether or not we choose to believe that or not is a matter of individual conscience, perspective and/or indoctrination at the deepest quantum levels of our being.
One thing is sure – you are as much, as what you ‘think’, as you are what you believe!
On that note – Maranatha!
Barbados Underground 
Before reading this article…having read the excerpt, I must ssy…as long as humans on the planet who are conscious of their existence realize that they have been living in the fantasies and delusions of a minority group of people as have their ancestors before them for over 1200 years…the rest is easy.
You make your own reality…live in your reality, not in other people’s delusions, created for the sole purpose of control the earth, people and self-enrichment at the expense of other humans.
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“Presently, many are asking: – “Can we trust anything that is around us?””
Nothing politically inspired for sure
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@TB
This submission will likely not provoke much comment. Our posters tend to comment about politics and things salacious.
But you are correct that things spiritual and philosophical underpin our temporal world.
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LOL@ Terence
Boss, you have the uncanny ability to explain the most basic of ideas in the format of impressive academic rhetoric – replete with extensive references, awe-inspiring terminologies, and gut-wrenching evasiveness.
Anyway, Bushie managed to get the drift…
….The ONLY permanent ‘reality’ is spiritual in nature.
….Our ‘world’ is a clearly temporary, physical, cauldron, …create within limiting boundaries of time, space, and sensory blinders, …and obviously has been designed and implemented to accomplish specific objectives.
However…
….It is NOT logical to think that analysis by humans, with our sensory limitations; and from behind the veil of these limiting boundaries, …will be able to comprehend the nature of the REAL spiritual realm. (this would be much like expecting sheep on a farm to use their various experiences of ‘reality’ to define the human nature of their owners).
So while the various theories referenced are intriguing and even brilliant, they are nothing but the clueless ramblings of very bright men.
Bushie particularly likes Truscott’s thesis that….
“reality does not exist unless we are looking at it”
LOL ha ha ha …. lotta shiite!!!
….and the suggestion that “scientists have proven that what happens to particles in the past is only decided when they are observed and measured in the future for until such time, reality is just an abstraction.” .Wuhloss!!…more shiite!!!
In short, if a tree falls in the forest, and no one hears, then it did not happen…??
You…
Andrew Truscott may have been a distant ancestor of Alvin yuh…!!
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@Bush Tea
How does one expect ordinary as in blue collar (less aware? ) to grasp these concepts and step willingly into the realm of the spiritual? Not as in religion but more about understanding the purpose of our existence.
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AS USUAL A LENGTHY LOAD OF BULL SHIT
THE ONLY THING THAT IS TRUE HERE IS …”MARANATHA”!
YES INDEED “THE LORD COMETH”
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Blogmeister, this is a lotta shitte as the Bushmeister say. Not shitttee in a bad way that de writer ain’t smart but shittee in the way that he attempting to clean a pane of dirty glass, so peoples can see, wid a rag he dipped in oil. WTF is that about!
Looka, the singer R Kelly crooned “I believe I can fly” and history is full of people wid other oily rags who smudge up dem reality wid dis this level of intellectual BS and dead as shiitte from trying to fly.
I ain’t trying to be rude nor dissing how peoples wid nuff nogging must use it to overstand dese types of things but leff this sort of ting outta practical life.
Ordinary people got to deal wid ordinary things. Like when dem pon holiday and dem travellers cheques lost 10% or more of de value just so wid dis Brexit ting. They gots to focus pon de fact that one of de tourist dem in dey group when too close to the effing edge of the scenic spot and fall ova and dead. Real shiittte.
All dis metaphysical and spiritualism and dual DNA tings as pretty as Rhianna and musee a whole lot more wholesome too but she mekking realistic blenza. This don’t mek blenza for a fella and is too obscure (wid too many big words) for ordinary people to understand why it mek sense to dem life.
Dem could understand Rhinna and even R Kelly tho if they head ain’t in the clouds.
Talking bout dis lotta shittte is all good but trying to match it up to real ordinary peoples is real foolishness.
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3 am was really too early for me to digest this article, but now that I have, I need not say much more than these excerpts that says it all…you make your own reality, individually as humans, separately and distinctly….unless you want to continue living in other people’s delusions and fantasies indefinitely. …the key is your brain power….which has been successfully dumbed down through miseducation……only you have the power to activate and release the mighty powers locked inside your brain, we barely use any of our brain capacity. ..too programmed…there are many online tutors who teach abiut unlocking the power of the brain and mind, the best I have seen so far is the indian dude..Dr. Pillai and the centre for mind science.
Dr. Pillai deals directly with quantum science, the power of the brain and mind in manifesting your own individual reality….very deep, if ya can handle it, one must be very focused.
“Nikola Tesla believed that: “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena; it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” It would be interesting to see how many also shares the same opinion!”
” Sadly, science is still trying to catch up with the BIBLE* in discovering that “Consciousness Creates Reality” in its broadest sense yet in its minutest terms – for “as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.”
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I think the problem with the author is, he has never had an up close and personal experience with the quantum of mind science….the raw power within the brain…it has never been revealed or introduced to him…but he means well.
The Bushman…..meditation alone, unlocks those powersm gurus have done it for centuries, genuine gurus, though some were killed when they let it be known.
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Our present reality is nothing more than an envelope of agreements that has been created for us by the ‘overlords’ at many levels to manipulate and control our physical existence. Then there’s the spirit world or the sub-atomic level where everything occurs before its manifested in physical form.
Without any Bible or ‘religion’ the Great Black Ancestors who traversed many a universe knew of these different levels of consciousness and passed them on to us thru Jacob’s Ladder, but to our detriment we choose to ignore them.
One would not experience such differing levels of consciousness at a University or in some science lab. Study your Super-Conductor, that rich Melanin, become the Lotus Plant, seek out the Darkness (its a place where we don’t like to go) and there you will find the Light.
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BRATH
SHITE IS SHITE
THIS PUNK HAS A PENCHANT FOR USING A LEGION OF LENGTHY WORDS STRUNG TOGETHER AS HE GOES FROM PARAGRAPH TO PARAGRAPH PRODUCING NOTHING THAT IS COHERENT AND COGENT, AND THEN STUMBLES SOMEHOW ON THE TRUTH OF MARANATHA..THE LORD COMETH.
I AM SURE THAT NOWHERE ELSE CAN HE GET THIS SHITE PUBLISHED.
NEXT!
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@Braithwaite
You are one funny crettin 🙂
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“Without any Bible or ‘religion’ the Great Black Ancestors who traversed many a universe knew of these different levels of consciousness and passed them on to us thru Jacob’s Ladder, but to our detriment we choose to ignore them.”
That is a level of consciousness that was successfully knocked out of the black mind….very few blacks know of its existence or how to activate it…..it’s a lost art now practiced by only a few.
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Without any Bible or ‘religion’ the Great Black Ancestors who traversed many a universe knew of these different levels of consciousness and passed them on to us thru Jacob’s Ladder, but to our detriment we choose to ignore them.”
THIS ESSENTIALLY RUBBISH
NO ONE PASSED ANYTHING ON TO ANYBODY BY JACOB’S LADDER
Jacob’s Ladder was a connection between the earth and heaven that the biblical Patriarch Jacob dreamt about during his flight from his brother Esau, as described in the Book of Genesis.
It is a type of the Lord Jesus as clearly taught in John 1:51 thus
And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
Other references to this concept of Christ the ladder are sen in John 3; 8 and 12
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Bush Tea, You really perking today. You must tell me what bush you brewed today. I agree with you 100%
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@Bush Tea
Note often time learnings can be shared in the comments section arising from the post. In other words there is always the opportunity to share/learn from each other.
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GP…I am not sure if they just meant a metaphorical jacobs ladder…that term is used a lot.
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WW
Clearly Hopi is a devil. Does it make sense to you in any realm to go to darkness to find light?
GOD IS LIGHT, and in HIM IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL.
JESUS TAUGHT THAT HE WAS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD
WE TAUGHT ALSO THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH WILL BE OUR ILLUMINATOR
Jacob’s experience as recorded in Genesis 28 was alluded to in John 1 when he told his followers that they would as messengers of God (angellos) ascend and descend to heaven literally via prayer on Him the Son of Man. All over the world folk pray IN JESUS’S NAME. iN cURACAO i LEARNED IT AS ” EN MAM VUND JESUS.”
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The rubbish is bound up in your abject ignorance that’s derived from your religious beLIEf. When I speak of Black Ancestors you won’t under, over, nor innerstand because you run away from your own black ass. The bullshit you practise today and call christianity is a derivative from Black African spiritual practises but adulterated and diluted by King James the homosexual and matricider. The bible is coded and an idiot that you are, are literally interpreting it. You’re ass of the highest order.
That’s why you have to sit on ya dumb black ass and await a rapture.
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And I’m proud to be the devil.
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@ Hopi
You will have to compete with us for being ‘the devil’
We would prefer, at any judgement, to believe, generally, what you believe, write about, than to be in heaven if we had to adopt what GP talks about, as a pre-condition, generally.
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PACHAMAMA
YOU WILL NO DOUBT HAVE YOUR WISH
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Mr. Blackett.
25.
The article will not solicit more than 25 submissions and of those 25 some 7 people will comment in varying amounts
To understand what you say is to be like Saul and to have “travelled many a Road” and finally to “arrive?” at a point where now, as the converted Paul, one can comprehend, albeit dimly, what is posited here.
How many can, and have, looked inward and seen the process of thought and in that moment recognized, that one is not that thought but much, much more?
You know something Mr Blackett?
There are those who will, even though being mindful of the statement, “and I John, being in the Spirit, on the Sabbath day,” WILL NOT COMPREHEND THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT YOU PROPOSE!!
It is not their experience and cannot be because it will set them mad.
An interesting paper/posit which few will recognize as being that “wherever we travel, whatever worlds we traverse, GOD HAS CREATED THEM ALL AND IS THE CAUSELESS CAUSE, WITOUT BEGINNING AND WITHOUT END.
Behold HE comes…
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@PUDRYR
We can disagree with TB’s style,many will criticize because they don’t understand. We should remember TB unfortunately had to deal with the passing of his daughter therefore he maybe in a different place to many commenting. Bottomline is that we are connected to an ecosystem and we should contemplate all that goes with it.
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Gentlemen and Ladies,
I started to write that post this morning but go called away so please don’t impute any specificity to what was a generic construct early this morning.
Now that I posted I see many have come and responded here.
I will not while speaking of My GOD castigate another’s religion or faith even though I do say that as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord
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Terrence Blackett;
A good attempt to distill the current knowledge of quantum consciousness and to tie it in with current spirituality, christianity, etc. However, the subject is not amenable to easy grasp by most of us and deserves a simpler primer.
The best books I have seen that seek to explain the nexus between the two in layman terms and shows that mankind has been and continues to be an incomplete entity that is guided by supernatural forces are Graham Hancock’s “Supernatural” and his more recent “Magicians of the Gods”. They’re available on Amazon Kindle.
I suspect that many of us won’t be able to complete reading the books because they are highly disturbing to anyone brought up as Christians. But I think if you persist you might find that they include many truths that resonate in persons with an open mind and indeed offer cogent scientifically believable explanations of the startup of religions and how such religions have persisted over the millenia, inter alia.
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Hey Negro…. The Scholar and Intellectual? You call yaself a christian and a doctor yet you display the behaviour of some dumb rabid animal. You try ya shit over on that thread that’s in honour of a Great Black man, Muhammed Ali man but I refused to entertain you. Now you can bring it here to me on this thread. In order for you to know someone is a dog you have to be a dog too. Who the hell are you that no one can question your ‘scholarship?’ You obviously are a miserable SOB.
….Wasn’t it the Darkness that birthed the Light?
You cussing homosexuals coming and going yet you beLIEve in the Bible that was given to you by a homosexual…real intellectual right?
You ain’t no more intellectual than anyone else on this damn blog. We’re all here looking to learn something or to share nuggets.
Since you’re so damn smart why waste your intellect on this blog when you can lease it for a high price to Oxford or Cambridge or MIT? I’m sure they need your kind of intellect.
And while you’re at it take a look at an episode of the Boondocks you’ll find yaself there in the form of Uncle Rucckus.
@Pacha…While I am proud to be a devil among the likes of that ‘scholarly saint’ I must warn you not to align with me because you’ll become tainted as well. Hopi is a bad girl!
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@ Hopi
We prefer bad girls, any day of the week. LOL
Never Georgies, especially if they are Porgies. LOL
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Thank you Honourable Blogmaster per the insight on TB.
Having said that I have to find the name of the avowed atheist and scientist who, after many years examining nature’s majesty came to the glorious realization that all things live, breathe and have there being in GOD
I can leave clinketts in st Lucy and get to the airport without going through warrens and many a traveller seeking to avoid the MTW inspectors do when you have not paid your road tax like Kerrie Oblong Head Simmons BLP
The Way to Our Lord is by virtue of our uniqueness going to be different.
Many a Crypt stone cold Killer or others who operated under state sanction are avowed warriors in the Army of the Lord.
Mr Blackett gave us a panoply of doctrines that might be new to some, blasphemous to others but have some “truths” like how the once central truth was that the earth was flat or that the earth was constant and all other planetary bodies evolved around it.
My takeaway per his “perspectives” is that one can do all the scientific hibigibi we want e.g. it might be possible for humans to “trace” a thought into one’s mind, or find certain cellular characteristics that determine one’s psyihog but that is the point of my departure with his, and other scientific discourse since it is my take that GOD is the BE IT ALL AND THE END IT ALL OF OUR FINITE SELVES
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RE Since you’re so damn smart why waste your intellect on this blog when you can lease it for a high price to Oxford or Cambridge or MIT? I’m sure they need your kind of intellect.
I COME HERE FOR FUN when I AM BORED
I DONT WANT TO GO ANYWHERE TO HURT MY HEAD
AFTER ALL I CAN UPSET YOU AND GET YOU TO CALL ME ALL KINDS OF NAMES WHILE SITTING HERE AND USING 0% OF MY INTELLECT by not WORSHIPPING CASSIUS CLAY THE DEAD BOXER
FOR EXAMPLE BECAUSE TB unfortunately had to deal with the passing of his daughter therefore he IS in a different place to many SUCH THAT HE WRITES A LOaD OF SHITE THAT MOST HERE CANT UNDERSTAND ah lie
bear sport in de rum shop.
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RE The Way to Our Lord is by virtue of our uniqueness going to be different.
aCCORDING TO JOHN 14:6 THIS THESIS IS INCORRECT
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
sIMILARLY WE READ IN ACTS 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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BREAKING NEWS
WOMAN IN OREGON SHOT A MAN WHOM SHE FOUND IN HER DAUGHTER’S BEDROOM
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@ Bernard C
You must tell me what bush you brewed today…
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bay leaf…. and thank you…
@ David
Bushie is Terence’s NUMBER ONE fan.
His is clearly not the rum shop style, ….and he does come across as more of the uppity English pub type bloke, … but his academic approach to the articulation of his religious convictions are unique and refreshing.
Obviously not everyone will be attracted to his style, but BU is not just a rum shop now … you have evolved into a global ‘Speaker’s Corner’…. where all are welcome….
Terence is to religion, what Jeff C is to Law.
Both are practising academics who somehow see themselves being able to interpret for the BU family, their own professional view of their areas of expertise – in an academically framed format.`
The VERY best part of Terence’s and Jeff’s contributions is that AC tends to be quiet for at least a day or so ….as she methodically checks the big words in the dictionary to see if they are attacking the DLP….
Mostly however, these two are throwing pearls at bowls ….but hey..
LOL …to each his own…
…cause you done know that Bushie ain’t bout that lotta shiite… no time to beat around the bush (so to speak) …. Bushie does just call a spade a shovel and a cutlass a ‘lens.
Shiite man!!!
Wunna just lucky that the whacker get tek way……
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@Uncle Rucckus…….Stop fooling yaself. Then you are always bored because you’re always here.Some doctor! No negro, you don’t have the power to upset me. Calling you names, I learned from the best, from you ‘good’ christian man and that was easy….just a taste of your own medicine, you spiritual leper.
Earlier u here talking about TB writing shite, now ur back with ya 2 mout self talking about he being a different place because of the death of his daughter. Ya blasted hypocrite.
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lol lol LOL LOL
A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT DEAD RELATIVES SUH
LAST I HEARD DEATH IS A NORMAL THING
HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME LOL
YES IM ALWAYS BORED LOL
MULTITASKING WATCHING TV CORRECTING STUDENTS PAPERS READING SHITE PUN BU LOL LOL
yes i said that talking about TB writing shite,
but it was the blogmaster who said that he was IN A different place because of the death of his daughter. cant you read man LOL
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@Bush Tea
Yes the forum has evolved to be many things to different people. Importantly for the dullards and the intelligent ALL are welcome.
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hOPI
U GOT TO UNDERSTAN MY FADDA DED BOUT A YEAR NOW
SO I CHANGED MY NAME TO CASSIUS CLAY JUST LIKE THE DEAD BOXR THAT YOU WORSHIP
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BREAKING NEWS! BREAKING NEWS! Georgie Porgie aka Uncle Ruckus just discovered his jackass gene, hence his need to constantly LOL LOL LOL.
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@David……..Since you’re the blogmaster and I ASS U me on the intelligent side why don’t you explain the that which TB is ‘desperately’ trying to speak of so that the dullards can comprehend.
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@Hope
Bushie took a reasonable stab at it in his first response.
Have a read.
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wHY DONT YOU TRY TO TELL US WHAT TB IS TRYING TO SAY
OR ASK BUSHTEA WHO CLAIMS TO UNDERSTAND
AS SPUDS WATERMAN USED TO SAY AT BFS IN THE EARLY 60’S “HE WOULDNT KNOW” MURDAH LOL LOL LOL.
SINCERELY CASSIUS CLAY
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@Hopi
Just make your contribution and be done with it.
By engaging with GP you are making it boring for others to follow. Let him bray in his responses.
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Thank God! I thought I was losing it! I did get the gist but don’t ask me to repeat it . I admit that I will have to read this again before I comment. And at a time when I am more fully focused. Or maybe I’ll just go do my budget as per I Brathwaite’s post.
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@David….BushT said many things. I can choose the one I disagree with, still doesn’t explain TB’s.
@Uncle Ruckuss. You’re a distraction keeping me too busy. But I’ll be back for you later.
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@Hopi
TB must be monitoring. Hopefully he will respond by explaining his prolix.
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David, this is an amusing blog. As you said Bushie clarified this very well.
But even in the absence of that what more really is there to explain. In simple terms he is saying life is not what it appears to be.
Of course he uses lots of deep thinking, religiosity and mysticism and lots of fancy words also but strip that all away and it’s rather straight forward. And yes one can prolix beyond a single sentence as Bushie did or just answer his rhetorical: “In short, if a tree falls in the forest, and no one hears, then it did not happen…??”
It’s important that intellectuals create an aura of difficulty to validate their knowledge and there is nothing wrong with that.
But true ‘education’ is being able to bring things down to the bare essentials and move outward again. All of us have that innate ability but we allow ourselves to get bamboozled by the (ridiculous) concept that we need to have at least two degrees to understand supposedly complex things of life (not to practice the complex things like rocket science or heart surgery but UNDERSTAND them)
Clearly we all know that a lot can be said about the Bible story revolving around a carpenter’s son whose 12 advisors are all salt of the earth people. That narrative alone should tell us that life can always be explained without a lot of fancy words and concepts.
We do have the innate ability David, we just refuse to use the damn thing.
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this is indeed a most amusing blog
lots of “deep thinking, religiosity and mysticism and lots of fancy words”
and then out of the blue we get MARANATHA!
RE @Hopi
Just make your contribution and be done with it.
By engaging with GP you are making it boring for others to follow. Let him bray in his responses. LOL HE HAW HE HAW HE HAW HE HAW HE HAW
I AM HYPO THYROID SO THEN BY DEFINITION IN THE OLD BOOKS I AM A CRETIN LIKE BRATH LOL LOL
THE RUM SHOP IS BARE SPORT
THE RUM DRINKERS PRETENDING THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID ALTHOUGH HONESTLY NONE OF THEM CANT INTERPRET ANY OF THIS SHIT
CASSIUS CLAY– THE DEAD BOXR
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THIS SHITE REMINDS ME OF DING DONG BELL
yon lad
assume the perpendicular
and in dat posture advance to yon vendor of effervescent waters
and purchase me the smallest member of the coca cola family
or the tinkling appellation of the sonorous metal
indicates that your period of nourishment has arrived
but you shall be deprived of it
so subside
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“Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.”
The first line in the article from the quote seems very plausible and gives insight to relevancy , maybe most of us would prefer not to be bother with those things that we do not understand and preferably concentrate and connect our minds and bodies to that which we can appreciate and understand
The notion of perking one/s mind into the unknown trying to understand all that applies to all of existence can be tedious and at times far fetched likened to a dog knowing that he has a tail and trying to catch it or a gerbil ridding the wheel over and over again but cant find its way off ,
For most people life with all its good and bad is what it is and can be appreciated or totally abandoned the other issues are likened to dark holes standing in the way so why even bother to ask why they are there
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Georgie Porgie why are you so obnoxious every blog who have sabotaged with your pitiful disgusting attitude it is way past time you pick up your cap your bat and glove and leave the playing field before some of us pelt some big rocks in your stinking behind / NOW GO
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the article is not meant to be confusing but there is an eccentric theme of reasoning that seems out of touch and overblown with complexities . In reality how can one definite reality , most would prefer to believe or address reality as through life experiences the scientific method which the article alludes and thus tries to engage the reader becomes a crippling dichotomy perceptions to reality taking the mind on a magical wave of concepts which triggers a process of uneasiness forever begging the question////Was there ever any existence before time ?
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Terence Blackett starts his article this way:
“Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.” “The present can never be properly understood without correct information concerning the past. Those who have been taught falsified history or who have had their minds filled with the twisted interpretations of events gone by, stagger like the blind with a darkened mind.” (B. G. Wilkinson)
He then goes on to evade what seems to have been his central point, judged from the chapeau above, by concentrating on hard to understand quantum consciousness theory and its presumed nexus with definable reality, and thereby lost most of us along the way.
The central theme of the article should have been part of the quotation above i.e. “…..Those who have been taught falsified history or who have had their minds filled with the twisted interpretations of events gone by, stagger like the blind with a darkened mind….”
It is my view that in almost everything of importance to mankind and his place in the cosmos that our minds have been filled with twisted interpretations of events and reality and that only now are we beginning to see glimmerings of the reality in which we exist through the works of a number of scientists in many fields, some of which Blackett has mentioned. But there are other fairly recent scientific works that provide simple explanations. These include some of the works of Graham Hancock, Rupert Sheldrake and the author of the “Dancing wu-li masters” a popular book on quantum theory, whose author’s name I cannot now recall.
Blackett might have been clearer if he had explained that recent archaeological work at Gobekli Tepe appears to be scientifically establishing that the beginnings of religion for the current cycle of mankind started out in that area a little over 10 millennia ago. Google Gobekli Tepe. It might have been clearer if he had sought to link current religions with the recurring symbols found in and around Gobekli Tepe and with prehistoric ice age religious paintings and artefacts in deep European and African caves.
It might have been clearer if he had told us about the otherwordly insights of Shamans of all societies and all human ages who had varying methods of going into trances and entering other dimensions where they interacted with transcendent beings and came back to heal and guide humans along a path leading to an evolutionary Point Omega.
He might have told us that Quantum mechanics’ main success has been in providing Physical Scientific justification for the existence of other dimensions and that quantum consciousness is one of its offspring.
He might have told us that Christianity is just one of the great religions of the world that posit the existence of these dimensions and that its success in capturing the adherence of so much of mankind is its presentation in a non-threatening simple package that only requires its adherents to suspend their critical faculties on occasion.
It would be nice if Blackett would do another article that seeks to interpret how quantum consciousness supplements definable reality in simple words.
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The central theme of the article should have been part of the quotation above i.e. “…..Those who have been taught falsified history or who have had their minds filled with the twisted interpretations of events gone by, stagger like the blind with a darkened mind….”
True ! including those who wrote the bible
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Whuloss, as Bushie said, it had to happen some time
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@Are-we-t-y….You make way more sense than Terrence who needs to invoke the name of certain physicists and other classified ‘knowers/guessers’ to lend credence to his ‘so-called scholarship.’
@Ac…..you have asked a very pertinent question. “Was there ever any existence before time?” Can u answer that or maybe TB can answer it.
Hello Uncle Rucckus…How you doing?
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i would prefer to believe that Time was first in existence rather than the other way around ,Everything that becomes in to existence needs an adequate amount of time for full development an example which all can relate is birth and death , i have always believed that Time construct and organizer of all that is in the cosmos
So you might ask what about GOd and what role did he play in our existence ?
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@ AC 5:04 PM
i would prefer to believe that Time was first in existence…
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A clear case of a sheep trying to rationalise human society based on that sheep’s “extensive experience” of being locked up in its pen …awaiting its turn to become mutton…
Well … in this case um is an old goat….
LoL ha ha ha ha
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Bush Tea June 30, 2016 at 8:59 PM #
A clear case of a sheep trying to rationalise human society based on that sheep’s “extensive experience” of being locked up in its pen …awaiting its turn to become mutton…
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guh long do yuh ole boar ….if you had a sensible response it would be frightening
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@ AC
Giving you a ‘sensible response’ would be somewhat like presenting a copy of ‘War and Peace’ to a sheep….. or in your case …to an old goat.
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@ Bush Tea
Lord hast His Mercy
@ Hopi,
Shame upon you Enlightened One.
Looka what you dun gone and do? Claculus to a two year old
@ AC
The Causeless Cause – IS and IS NOT BOUND BY OUR FINITE existence,
Time is a finite construct so there was, nor is, nor ever shall be need for Elohim that is timeless to need time. What you speak is folly.
While we are bound by it, time, the Existence from whence all things sprout, IS NOT.
Keep away from Fire it will burn you.
@ GP
“And when He was come near, He beheld the city, and wept over it,
42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
I would ask you this, why did Jesus weep?
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i fuh sure would never expect to receive any thing from you farther less a present of any kind , ,,but ole boar wuh yu doing up so late yuh need a diaper change? or yuh grass bed cover in chinks
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pDYR are you a robot your comments are reflective of one who is programmed or maybe you have become a real life character of your stupid cartoons ,
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That is my fault AC, I stooped to entertain your ingrunt self since Hopi opened up a door to entertain you during this “Be Kind to Animals Week”
Pause a second with your assinine cretioous self and see if what she asked and anything subsequnt to that query sunk into the abysmal depths that is your head, note that i did not say brain.
Did anything click with you?
You should leave this element of discourse to persons with grey matter in their cranium and not air, and fould smelling air at that.
Let Pigrim Post or the other chap post, for with you posting in this particular blog space is it like several types of faecal matter commingles on one’s shoe.
I now understand what your purose here is.
You have been set loose like a “bot” with the specific purpose to disrupt the BU blog, not by being obnoxious, not cantankerous, nor ascerbic nor contentious but just to be yourself and ashoe (s)cvu*t
I cease and desist with you and thou shalt not speak with me again unless I need to cuss you and your fecundity self.
Go and sleep others will speak with you anon, but I shall only cuss you.
By the way how you like the grandson book? Ent he sharp doah? Bless his Soul!! A pity dat he ent going do no wuk for wunna scum
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The Lights of Barbados are on flicker and slowly dying.
(as demonstrated at the Graeme Hall Roundabout on the ABC Highway)
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PDYR
Time is a finite construct so there was, nor is, nor ever shall be need for Elohim that is timeless to need time. What you speak is folly.
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Pdyr did you read that in a book or did you make up that whatever you said in the above comment
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“Time” and “existence” are interdependent. Without time, events and bodies can’t possibly proceed, be instigated, or instigate upon. If “things” (whether that be atoms, or bodies, &c.) aren’t bound by time, then they are innately unmoved, and that which is innately unmoved has no cause, and that without a cause has no effect, that without effect can’t possibly exist, due to innate arbitrary.
look those are not my words those are a scientist opinion whereby he states that both time and existence are interdependent
However i would preface that time exist first and existence as we know is action brought about by time or within in time hence two are mutually bound to interact
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PDYR do not expect you to understand any thing ac comment cause your head is very big your mind is very shallow and you are sooooo intelligent like the ole folks would say too intelligent for your own good
get the picture would be ice depiction (almost said flattering ) of yourself in one of your stupid cartoons
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PDYR if u do not understand my comments rather than look like a bobble head or a clone of Professor brass bowl aka Bush tea you should scrolled right by rather than wasting your precious Time
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ac made a reasonable comment about the existence of Time ..out jump two BU resident cavemen ,first Bush tea with his goriila sharp teeth to cut me in itsy bitsy piece , THen as if the gorilla had not done enough damage to my person, out flies Caveman no 2 PDYR hungry to finish the job . never knew that cave dwellers still exist among the human species will i guess it was only a matter of TIME before these two would crawled out of the caves and made their presence known to the human race, Heavenly or an error of time
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@ Piece
LOL…
Yuh see now? … why one does not give pearls to swine…?
…or throw valuable literary works into goat stalls?
Shit happens!
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@ AC
Because there are 3 of you, I will not fault you for the other one.
First of all, since you do not know this, I will share this fact with you.
The “scientist” in me fights and has fought incessantly with this GOD concept because like most concepts logic cannot prove GOD, this is a mystery like “who can see the wind”
I come to a blog such as this one to learn from people like GP, or Donna, or Hopi, or Terrence Blackett to see “through a glass darkly” and to try to understand not only things that i have read, or things that i have seen practiced but things that I have seen and that I have experienced.
There is nothing that i write here that does not come from the ole man’s mind, be it stoopid cartoons, or invectives, or seeming predispositions to be warlike but you see this and other topics that relate to “Being” and “SENTIENCE” I take this more seriously that my campaign to get rid of the DLP.
Dont go down that road please, stay with me a while.
Let me try to explain to you what is very simple and what Hopi “tested” the other part of your Legion with, and which you failed.
We, as sentient beings, are bound by time (and space and other things finite.)
The perspective that Hopi sought to arouse in you was based on this precept.
Finite existence, AS YOU KNOW IT, is bound by time.
The pejorative in that sentence being AS YOU KNOW IT.
Space, science calculates is expanding a 7% greater than they calculated.
But that begs the question “expanding where?”
Where is it expanding? Is it a void? they where is that void?
First of all can you understand that?
Now having sought to comprehend the incomprehensible, they what you must try to do is to reconcile whater concept of DEITY you have with that and answer HOPI’s question and Terence Blackett’s thesis with this eternal question rather realization.
For me my DEITY is JEHOVAH JAH JIREH whom is ascribed 72 royal charters and while i am not seeking to proselyte any other here with my point of nexus let me link that “which came first existence or time” question to my point of “exodus” and “genesis”
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This is the “Causeless Cause” a term which you are unfamiliar with because you have not read any thing related to this but what this first verse of Genesis says in answer to that question that you were asked is “Time is a construct that binds man, as you and I know man, in this existence, but as is clearly evident in that verse, from which some of us take our Hope and Promise, SUCH BEING SOLELY IS, WAS AND FOREVER BE, and such “EXISTENCE” our poor finite word for what we can never comprehend, is not bound by time
I will not respond to any banter on this topic from any of the other ACs who cannot understand this subject matter.
I will promise you this however, in any of the blogs here on BU that are devoted to things where we seek to learn of our nature and purpose here I WILL NOT speak of the DLP or the BLP barring topics where we might be generically discoursing the abdication of the church in its duties to the Sheep and its Responsibility to GOD.
Finally, I do not think that i am “intelligent” I am opinionated with the things I know and some of them I know quite well.
I dont take fools lightly and accept reasoned discourse which up til this point Bust Tea presents, I have not been here long but there are rare times where I have “liked” a thing that you have said. I am not contra people but if I am “opionated” that what you are saying or doing is wrong (in my estimation of course) i will express myself
So I offer you a Truce where we discuss GOD’s Truth but I offer you no quarter elsewhere capiche?
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So Pdyr u broke your promise. If u cant keep a promise made to yourself how is it possible for your words be ascended to those of credibility.in lest than twelve hours u have shattered the credibility barometer u set for yourself .be that as it may we as humans are subjected to Time and changes.
Sir you are so intent on insulting others who proffered an opinion that u lost sight that in my response about Time i prefaced to say that time is infinite by expressing that Time was the first of all existence
However you try your play of words with deliberation to call me stupid. Neither do i take great pleasure in cussing or belitting others but it seems to be an recurring theme on Bu by those who exudes an aire of superiority and shoves or pushes other opinions away
As for the existence of God.my belief lies within a philosphy that our soul searching for inner peace would have reasonably and rightfull constructed that which is good and seems normal to our intellect helping man to separate the good from evil forcing our minds with a willingness an acceptance that even though intangible have a important and dominate place in our lives.
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Before u PDyr and bush tea interject yourvtwo worth cents of insults i had made a couple comments although notvfully able to understsnd the scientific mechanism of the article i proceed on a path from which i could read some or part of the srticle intent rather than proceed on a path of bile and insults to the writer.
Yet u now pretend as if your attacks on others are justified. The reality is that if u cannot understandwhst the person is thinking u feel challenged and downplay with an attempt to caterogorized the message and the messenenger as ignorant
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@ac…I’m beginning to believe that you truly are the 2nd Coming of Christ…Not a day goes by on this blog that you are not crucified. First of all ac what is time in your opinion?
@Bushtea…the whole island full of weed yet, you only cutting down ac. Leave ac alone man and stop cutting down weed and replanting them like I see you do here on BU man ..that leads to corruption of the soul. You lucky I loaned my glock to Bejerkum. You stated that our world is temporary…are you speaking of this planet we call earth and why say its temporary?
@Piece…..you know I like you because you are a very REASONABLE man who usu see both sides and then 3rd side of the argument..your 3rd eye must be opened or on the verge of being opened. You stated a mouthful here but what i’d like to ask you is of the universe being void…do you believe that there is void anywhere in the universe?
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@ Hopi
1…Bushie had to dun wid the whacker business…. umm get tek way.
So the bush could grow as um like…. but AC don’t count…or perhaps she just can’t…
2…Glocks don’t scare Bushie…. 🙂 Umm isYOU who may be lucky that you lent it out…
3…Who says that Earth (the Universe) is temporary? ….Science!!
An basic understanding of entropy and of its relationship to ‘time’ makes this obvious.
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Hopi why ask ac What is Time such a question should be best fowarded to Professor Brass bowl He has a doctorate in almost every subject under the the Sun, He is a lawyer ! politician ! a doctor ! plumber ! shoe maker! every subject he can explained extensively , he may even be GOD
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LOL @ AC
…..he may even be GOD
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Ha ha ha …you forgot ‘mathematics’. Dribbler thinks that Bushie was a teacher…. 🙂
LOL
shiite!!!
NO AC not GOD… just an ADOPTED child…. we don’t want to raise Zoe’s pressure just yet…
(But BBE likes Bushie bad as shiite though…LOL)
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Hopi not to ignore your question What is Time unfortunately i cannot answered that question from a scientific perspective but as lay person i can address the question using a measure of philosophy Time is an unstoppable force of nature that cannot seen or touch or heard. it has no gravity or density. .Scientist over the years has fashioned time into movements by using varying degrees of measurement for which the mind can comprehend
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It was obvious from the outset where the writer was going. He is making a claim for creationism in an indirect manner. The preamble could have been shortened if he had gotten to the point and made a direct pitch for creationism.
Robert D. Lucas, PH.D.
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It always comes full circle with the religious and the Atheist in opposing corners.
Divine intervention or Big Bang and so it will be until the end of times.
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Good morning and Happy Sunday to all those who have a philosophical belief that there is a God and those who are avoid atheists and believes that there is nothing of such existence. All things being equal have a happy Sunday
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2..AC……….I see you. Happy Sunday to u too. “Avoid atheist?” or avowed/avid atheist? which one?
2…Bushtea….. Ur answer seems fallacious. When do you and these christian scientists purport that end will come?
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