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Submitted by Terence Blackett

St. Bartholomew Day Massacre
For many will come in my name saying they are Christ – Matt.24:5

On July 23rd 2011, riots and mass social unrest could have disturbed the peaceful Nordic enclave of Oslo, Norway – shattering its long-cherished peace. This peace was however rocked by a Freemason (an operative trained in the subversive arts of primitive Jesuit theology), falsely using the name of CHRISTIAN*- bedevilled with the assignment to create mass murder in order to stoke and provoke EU public opinion. The goal was to see Europe forced back to the ideals hatched during the era of the 1500’s (a discourse that can be fully explored and explained in the commentary section of this piece). So for those who claim that religion is an inconsequential issue – think again!

Let’s see why.

Firstly, in order to fully grasp this salient level of religious intrigue one must take a guided tour through the history of Europe from about 300 AD to about the 17th century (a period historians dubiously call – THE COUNTER-REFORMATION) – however, word count does not allow such an exhaustive analytic study of how a “dark, nebulously sinister power” has been able to control world governments, religious institutions, academic facilities and the underverse of crime, war, destruction and death we are witnessing today.

In April 2008, on the Catholic TV channel EWTN, former US president George “Dubyah” Bush, when asked in the closing moments of the interview what he saw when he looked into the eyes of the then Russian president Vladimir Putin, he remarked, “HIS SOUL”. When asked what he saw in the eyes of Pope Benedict XV1 – (his ubiquitous remark tolled like a Vatican church bell): “GOD”! Few in our world took any notice of the gravity of what the leader of the “free” world had calculatingly said in the glaring light of day yet somehow conspicuously hidden in plain view was an echo of an egregious historical past based on the religious tenets of PONTIFEX MAXIMUS…

For those with eyes to see and ears to hear, the question begs – where is the Biblical consensus that supports “another ‘God’ on earth”? And if so, how long will it be before we must all swear allegiance to his laws and decrees? What is remarkable is this notion that modern men still believe that the pope is equal to God? Are men so blind that they refuse to see what’s really coming down the road?

A cautious look at the historical evidence is a gauge to see why operatives like Anders Breivik (shrouded under the white sheet of freemasonry) do the biding of the Society of Jesus (The Jesuit Order) in order to bring Europe (FIRST) back to the ideals which created the Knight Templars, The Dominican Order and the Gestapo of the Roman Catholic Church – (the Jesuits).

Few know that this new company of priests was founded as a military organization by a Spanish soldier Ignatius Loyola in 1491 with the sole mission of bringing back into the fold of Popery – the “separated brethren” by any means necessary – employing insidious tactics of deception, cloak ‘n’ dagger spying, infiltration, assimilation, assassination and revolution as a mean of socio-political control.

It is impossible to have a proper understanding of history without demystifying the role that Jesuits have played in the last 600 years – politically, economically, socially and most importantly religiously.

A cursory glance at the Oath of Jesuits is not for the faint of heart. It reads as follows: “My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope…”

“You have been taught to plant insidiously the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and to incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace; to take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means…”

“You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope’s sake, whose servants we are unto death…”

“You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for “without the shedding of blood no man can be saved”. Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope…”

If we are indeed our brother’s keeper, does not the freedom to choose allegiances remove any potential element for self-serving tyranny? History has proved to the contrary!

Professor Arthur Noble writes that “the reinstatement of The Inquisition in the 16th century was spearheaded by the Jesuits as were its atrocities and it is estimated that in this century alone, no less than 900,000 Protestant martyrs laid down their lives for Christ…”

Amongst the horrors of the Jesuits was the St. Bartholomew Day Massacre of 1572 in France where between 70,000 to 100,000 were murdered because of the manipulation of King Louis to do away with The Revocation of the Edict of Nantes of 1685 which provided civil and religious rights for Protestants that made their faith illegal and as a result some 500,000 souls perished because of persecution at the end of a sword.

So with the Edict of Nantes revoked and Protestantism outlawed – it was easy to finally kill and imprison heretics for reading, being in possession or distributing Bibles in France. At the same time, the Jesuits were at work in England through the Archbishop of Canterbury William Laud to also outlaw the importation, printing or reading of the Bible.

In the book by F. Tupper Saussy, “Rulers of Evil” it is said that, “by 1556, three-fourths of the Society’s membership was dedicated in [46] Jesuit colleges to learning to indoctrinate minds with the learning of illuminated humanism as opposed to the learning of Scripture. This network would expand by 1749 to [669] colleges, [176] seminaries, [61] houses of study and [24] universities partly or wholly under Jesuit direction.”

J.E.C Shepherd’s in his book – The Babington Plot alludes to the fact that “between 1553 and 1931 – the Jesuits were expelled from [83] different countries, city states and cities for political intrigue and for hatching subversive plots”.

In America at its inception, the Jesuits had already made moves to plant its presence amongst the Founding fathers and president John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson wrote – “I do not like the resurrection of the Jesuits… shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the Gypsies can assume… If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell, it is this Society of Loyola’s…”

English 17th century enlightenment historian Thomas Hobbes wrote that “if a man considers the original of this great ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily perceive that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman Empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof…”

What is truly sad is that modern-day Christian Protestants no longer believe as did the Reformers that popery was evidently antiChrist – this has been due to the fact that Jesuit infiltration on every level (most markedly within the interpretation of Scripture) has done a massive con-job of making theologians and others believe subliminally that Lucifer is in fact God and that the Pope is the other God here on earth.

Vatican arch-critic and author Edwin Sherman called the Jesuits – “THE ENGINEER CORPS OF HELL” in his provocatively titled book – where on the pre-published front cover can be seen the “Assassination” attempt on Abraham Lincoln paraded in plain view. It was purported by Catholic priest and friend of Lincoln – Charles Chiniquy that the Jesuits were responsible for his murder and Chiniquy sets out to chronicle this in his own book – “50 years in the Church of Rome”. Chiniquy quotes Lincoln’s own words: “It is not against the Americans of the South alone, I am fighting, it is more against the Pope of Rome, his perfidious Jesuits and their blind and blood-thirsty slaves that we have to defend ourselves.”

Even in the 20th century, author Edmond Paris in his book – “The Secret History of the Jesuits” documents how the Society of Jesus influenced, aided and even funded the NAZI* party. He said, “The SS organization had been constituted according to the principles of The Jesuit Order…” Hitler referred to his general Heimlich Himmler as his Ignatius of Loyola and obtained the Nazi Swastika at a Catholic abbey from a priest called father Hagan.

Irish firebrand preacher and neo-Protestant agent provocateur – Ian Paisley in describing to the press who the Jesuits were said – “They are the Gestapo of the Roman Catholic Church who carry out the orders of the Pope throughout the world.” Dr. Paisley defends his position by quoting Edmond Paris’ book by arguing: “I am giving a quotation from the ‘REFORME’…which is what the press of the Spanish dictator Franco published on the 3rd of May 1945, the day of Hitler’s death…”

Paisley continues – “Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death when so many can be found to exalt his life. For over his mortal remains stands this victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of victory.”

So it was the Jesuits who orchestrated the 3rd Reich uniting a national-socialist state to Catholic Christianity – a narrative often swept under the carpet by the media and the churches.

19th century preacher of righteousness Charles Spurgeon had warned that “the new breed of preacher would be short changed by the so-called hallowed institutions of learning because they keep back a portion of the Gospel…having studied in the Devil’s new Jesuitical colleges…”

For Spurgeon, the mark of “Cain” is a constant reminder to Popery that “A fugitive and a vagabond you shall be on the earth” (Genesis 4:12) where murder, paedophilia and every other known imaginable evil has been done to those who are your brothers – in the name of a “FALSE” god. Just as Cain cared only for himself, so does this evil Church. For there is no repentance on its part for what it has done in its long savage history or even today.

Lastly, the personal words of the Oath taken by each Jesuits in the last [600] years ought to be enough to seal the argument:

“I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants’ heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell forever.”

Dominus Deus noster Papa solus in terris …


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  1. @ DAVID

    Watching the activities in Libya as we speak – DOES EVERYBODY IN TRIPOLI HAVE AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON OR WHAT?

    Unreal!!!


  2. BT, man, Jesus came to seek and to save those who were/are LOST?

    Every man/women starts out LOST* doomed to Hell! Some of the strongest followers of Christ, were the MOST deceived, LOST men ever, THEN, when they are liberated IN* BY* and through* JESUS CHRIST, they become some of the mightest followers of HIM*

    BT, my friend, in order to come to your level* of deception, I’d have to turn my back on JESUS, NO WAY, not a CHANCE* EVER* “…for I KNOW* (absolutely!) whom I have BELIEVED* and am PERSUADED* (absolutely!) that HE* (JESUS!) IS* able to keep what I have commited to HIM* until that DAY” ( 2 Tim. 1: 12b Emphasis added).

    Its not too late, BT, to repent, and come to HIM*!


  3. David:
    Keep up,
    Ghaddafi issued thousands of AKs to Tripolitans, expecting they would form a citizens militia, both to counter the rebels outside, and the opposition quarters within the city.

    As it turned out it’s a case of the biter bit.


  4. @ Zoe
    “……for I KNOW* (absolutely!) whom I have BELIEVED*
    ****************************************
    Not to be difficult, but how can you KNOW (absolutely!) whom you believe while at the same time be unable to explain why ‘whom you believe’ deliberately sought to mislead and to confuse those to whom he was preaching- by the use of parables?

    How is it that you cannot convincingly answer the Technician’s question as to why Jesus would have created the Devil? (ALL things were made by him, and without him was not anything made, that was made)

    …perhaps you just do not KNOW him as well as you think..(at least not absolutely)….?
    …perhaps (…and this may be blasphemy LOL) you still have a lot to learn…?


  5. BT, You just don’t understand, KNOW* I.e., to ‘perceive’ ‘be aware’ of what it means, when I quoted from 2 Tim. 1: 12b, that “I KNOW (absolutely!) whom I have BELIEVED* (In, Jesus, absolutely!) that HE* (Jesus) IS* able (absolutely!) to keep what I have committed to HIM* until that day”

    I BELIEVE* ABSOLUTELY* IN* HIM* JESUS* and, because of WHO* HE* IS* I therefore KNOW* ABSOLUTELY* that HE* is able* ABSOLUTELY* to do ALL* that HE* has promised to those who BELIEVE!!!

    Naturally, as a ‘natural’ man, (de psuekikos anthropos) BT, you CAN’T know, undestand, nor percieve, the things of Almighty God, to which I reference, from His Word!

    Too bad BT, that’s just too bad!


  6. @ Zoe
    Naturally, as a ‘natural’ man, (de psuekikos anthropos) BT, you CAN’T know, undestand, nor percieve, the things of Almighty God”
    ************************
    That is strange….!!
    …then why would Jesus have told his disciples that it was given to them “to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven”? … even though such understanding was deliberately NOT given to others?

    CH (trying to be logical) would probably want to suggest that either Jesus did not really understand this Christianity thing….OR those of us who do not understand these mysteries fall in a particular category…..

    Which do you think it is?


  7. Bajans living in Ontario pay attention to these Thunderstorm and Tornado warnings.


  8. RELIGIOUS NOMADS!!


  9. I was slipping into darkness
    when they took my friend away
    http://www.dailymotion.com/reggaematicltd#videoId=xkpdjh


  10. @ DAVID

    Is VENEZUELA* the next domino to fall in this endgame?


  11. JP Morgan May Take Over Bank Of America who has been in trouble for sometime as the CHINESE* calls EURO-American plagued DEBT* crisis – “THE BLACK DEATH”…

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/jp-morgan-may-take-over-bank-of-america-2011-08-23


  12. Silvio Berlusconi ally says Italy ‘condemned to death’….

    Silvio Berlusconi has been forced to dismiss dire warnings from his main political ally that Italy is doomed and the country is destined to split in two…(ACTUALLY [3] IF YOU INCLUDE THE VATICAN)…

    ROTFL!!!!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8718049/Silvio-Berlusconi-ally-says-Italy-condemned-to-death.html


  13. WORLD POPULATION SET TO HIT 7 BILLION BY 2012…

    ARE THESE NUMBERS SUSTAINABLE?

    WHAT CONTROL MEASURES WILL BE FORCED ON US?

    http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html


  14. HAS THE DOOMSDAY CLOCK APPROACHED THAT APOCALYPTIC HOUR OF “midnight”?

    AS “big ben” STRIKES THAT FATAL HOUR – WHAT WILL BE YOUR ANSWER?

    WHY DID WE ALLOW THE WARNINGS TO GO UNHEEDED?

    DO WE STILL BELIEVE THAT ALL IS WELL – AND THAT THERE’S PEACE AND SAFETY ALL AROUND – AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN?

    OK – You decide:

    http://www.poodwaddle.com/clocks/worldclock/


  15. I’ve never in all my life heard such utter rubbish, christianity comes from that ROMAN CULT called catholicism and jesuit monks (jews) wrote the bible. These people who thought it was ok to screw their mothers and their children and its all in the bible. i told all black people to come out of religion in 2008 but there is nothing like IGNORANCE because its bliss.
    look at the website ONEEVIL.ORG and read all there is to read there and see how you all have been fooled and robbed all your life and it will happen to your children if you don’t look sharp. Look at the times we’re in caused by theiving, lying bankers and politicians and their kiss ass pickney and minions and all you can talk abut is this fake god. If you felt a presence in your life its probably one of your long lost ancestors trying to warn you- not any fake jew god who they killed themselves!
    stupid people believe in stupid things that don’t evenmake sense and then they wander why they have gone loops and their pickney too. DEAL WITH THE ISSUES AT HAND AND START FINDING OUT WHO’S BEHIND THEM AND MAYBE YOU’LL GET SOMEWHERE. Its a new century and none of that bible dribble is going to help your children in a world thats turned so wicked already, put down the foolish ness and start listening to whats on the world agenda and take your head out of your a** , stop looking for answers to fall out of the sky from a mysterious entity that never existed and keep both feet on the ground. Then take a look around a decided ‘what’s wrong with this picture where i am’ is it that people are ignorat of their troubles and misery loves company instead of dealing with their own problems and the church offers nothing but words of comfort (fools)
    If you suffer abuse in your house, do you put up with it because its your parent or a sibling OR do you report them to the authorties and give youself a chance at life, the stupid church has been teaching all along to forgive- that has allowed the peadophiles to expode the church because thats what it was all about in the first place. READ THE WEBSITE I GAVE YOU AND YOU DECIDE FROM THERE, instead of spouting all the god rubbish to your children that will only lead them into peadophile hands!


  16. Another ‘Scoffing’ Deceived Bajan IDIOT!


  17. @ZOE

    Isn’t it sad that folks cannot even present a solid argument against the “TRUTH”, (THE BIBLE) which is God’s unadulterated WORD*?

    We use all kinds of bogus, rough-shoddy arguments in order to prop up our crumbling world…

    So folks are willing to go to HELL* in a hand-basket and think nothing of it as if God doesn’t say what HE* means and mean what HE* says!!!

    Sad commentary on a NATION* that forgets their GOD* and a people who are dead-set on following the “herd” down into the abyss…


  18. 48 HOURS TO THE COUNTDOWN OF THE SYRIAN WAR…

    What countries does the Euphrates River flow through?

    Turkey, Syria, and Iraq…

    Daniel 11:45 says: “And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him…”

    Revelation 16:12 says: “And the 6th angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared…”

    ASSAD* – THE LORD OF HOST IS COMING TO GET YOU!!!


  19. COUNTDOWN TO SYRIA WAR, 48 HOURS

    June 25, 2011. Ankara. Last Sunday, Turkish officials warned Syria’s leaders they had one week to implement serious and meaningful reforms. If action wasn’t immediately taken, Turkey warned, foreign armies would use military force against Syria to intervene.

    With the announcement “BARELY”* covered in Western media, that countdown will hit zero hour Sunday night, less than a day and a half from now. And with the Syrian military massing tank columns and infantry along the Turkish border, it appears they are preparing for war…

    READ THE FULL STORY:-

    http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/wach/countdown-to-syria-war-48-hours824/


  20. @ TB/Zoe-Pls could you clarify which end of world biblical prophesies relate to libya, syria, us/euro economy etc
    are your concluusions due to your gut feeling / feelings of overwhelment or are you scared / scare-mongering / shit stirring again


  21. To those know it alls on this site, there is a difference between Islam and Christianity. With islam man redeems himself by good deeds, with chritianity Christ paid the price for all sins (even the scoffers here) for all. Islam does not conceive of God having a SON; christina believe the Christ is the SON of GOD. Pay more attention to the sacrifical sytem in the jewish economy; it pointed the the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.
    To bowl a new ball here. When the Bible refers to the soul, it does not refer to some internal body or entity; it refers to the coming together of the “breath of life” and the body of clay at creation. Zoe do not think that you are the only person who has battled at the satanic level; for those who really know it it is not spoken lightly about. If you continue with the myth that has given rise to modern spiritism with the concept of an eternal soul or spirit, then you still not gone far from your roman catholic bewitching or the masonic charms which all have this concept as their bed rock. You nedd to back to see what has been theer every since you are a body an the breath of life from GOD. Like at what is going on with the emphasis now even in chritianity on powers that man does not have. And to those of you who believe that you have some power within yourself to defeat Satan, Lucifer or the Devil, powers reside only in the GOD Head; you cna be given the authority the power is and will never be yours.


  22. abstractedly thinking, isn’t the possibility of being a satan/god devil/angel good/bad within us all, or am i referring to hinduism


  23. kiki | August 26, 2011 at 8:44 AM |

    abstractedly thinking, isn’t the possibility of being a satan/god devil/angel good/bad within us all, or am i referring to hinduism

    Not abstractly kiki ……we are made up with all that within us, man just invented reliegion to fcuk with our minds.


  24. Lemuel, says, “When the Bible refers to the soul, it does not refer to some internal body or entity, it refers to the coming together of the “breath of life” and the body of clay at creation.”

    Sorry, Lemuel, you are Biblically and Scripturally incorrect, but, obviously, you have been taught this ‘erroneous’ theology, which SDA et al hold too, which cannot stand up, to sound Biblical exegesis, hermeneutics, and contextual analysis, on the matter of the ‘body’ physical life (bios) which is the union or communion of BODY* and SOUL* and spiritual life (zoe), which is the communion or fellowship of the SOUL* with God.

    In the OT, we read: “For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the SPIRIT should fail before Me, and the SOULS which I made” (Isaiah 57: 16). “The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundations of the earth, and formeth the SPIRIT* of man WITHIN* him.” (Zech 12:1) “incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your SOUL* shall live (not breath) ,and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David” ( Isa. 55:3). “And it came to pass, as her SOUL* was departing (from her body, for she died, physically!) that she called his name Benoni…” (Gen. 35:18 Emphasis added).

    The New Testament teaches, also, that the immeterial nature of man (Soul and Spirit) IS* seperate from the body ( Matth 10:28; Luke 8:55; I Thess 5:23; Heb. 4:12; Rev. 16:30; that IT IS* independent of man’s material (physical body) and DEPARTS* from that form at death, to go either into the presence of the LORD (Philippians 1:23) OR, into a place of punishment (Luke 16), In acts 7:59, Stephen committed his SPIRIT (pneuma, NOT body, bios) into the hands of the Lord Jesus Christ. This emphatically establishes the FACT* that the immaterial (physical) nature of man IS* independent of his BODY; that IS* his physical body took on the appearance “SLEEP” in physical death. At the same time, the Word of God, the Scripture tell us, “He [Stephen] fell asleep” in death; that IS* his physical body took on the appearance of “sleep”. But, he as a unit did NOT die; he merely experienced SEPARATION* of SOUL from the body, and went to be with the Lord, in conscious liberty and joy, into whose hands he had committed his ‘spiritual’ nature, soul/spirit!

    This is just a brief look at this vitally important matter, which has been terribly misunderstood by the SDA et al!


  25. @ ZOE

    I concur with a very SIMPLE* text of Scripture from JOHN 14:21: “They may kill the “BODY”, but they cannot hurt the “SOUL”…


  26. @TMB: ““They may kill the “BODY”, but they cannot hurt the “SOUL”…

    Fundamentally true.


  27. To Zoe:
    Take off your indoctrination hat. I too was taught about the spirit especially when we leave our bodies and soar grate heights at night or day. When I saw (for my eyes were open) what was holding me up one of satan’s cronies I was shocked, and the being that opened my eyes waited below until I was dropped. Look beyond the classic things that you are substantiating your claims with. When Jesus brought back Jairus’ daughter did he restore her spirit? When elijah restored the woman’s son did he not breaTHE INTO HIS NOSTRILS. When Jesus called forth Lazarus did he not call him and not instruct his spirit to reunite. When Christ died a number of people were resurected, why were they still on earth. They would have died ages ago. They were the first fruits of the plan of salvation. Why if the spirit is eternal ans cannot die, could it be killed in so called hell. Why would the GOD that I am and you are aware of keep people being tortured in hell in everlasting fires. Then where is the GOD of LOVE.

    Please i would never dismiss your complete or partial believe in Christ do not do it to others who you do not think well of. Rememeber, when the disciple tried to run away a person who wsa doing miracles in Jesus name. Remember what Christ said.


  28. the earth dies screaming


  29. To zoe:
    Gen 35:18 ‘ ….. AS SHE breathe HER LAST….” THAT IS WHAT THE TEXT SAYS ,not any thing about spirit leaving. The problem you have is breathe can be translated as spirit, a common mistake. Isaiah 57:16 “I gave my people LIFE …..” Luke 8:55 ” Her life returned and she got up at once…” Zec 12:1 ….the Lord who created the earth and GAVE LIFE to man.” These texts were taken from the Roman catholic Bible “Good News Bible. Even they could not constantly verify your eternal soul and spirit concept.

    If the body is not eternal why with the trump of the arch angel shall the dead in Christ (by the way that is what paul meant by going to christ) shal rise first. If all these people are enjoying bliss in heaven, why tear them away to rerun for a useless body of clay. For they have been existing outside of it all this time. Why was Christ in his own body before going to his father. Why is the combination of the body and the life from God so important.


  30. Lemuel, You are obviously very confused, over this matter of ‘Body’ the physical, material aspect of man’s existence, as distinct from* his immaterial side, that is* his spirit/soul, which IS* immortal, can never die, cease to exist, contrary to those who argue for ‘soul sleep’ saying it means cessation of consciousness, and annihilation, extinction, for those who rejected God’s universal offer of forgiveness AND redemption in Jesus Christ.

    I’ll deal later on in more detail with other aspects of this unscriptural, erroneous teaching, ‘annihilation’ and so on.

    OLD TESTAMENT TERMS:

    Nephesh: Soul.

    The word ‘Nephesh’ is found in the Hebrew Bible 754 times. It is translated in the King James Version as follows:

    Soul: 472 times
    Life: 118 times
    Person: 30 times
    Self: 20 times
    Heart: 16 times
    The dead: 12 times
    Creature: 8 times
    He, him, her: 8 times
    Desire: 5 times
    Will: 4 times
    Man: 4 times
    Any or one: 4 times
    Pleasure: 3 times
    Beast: 3 times
    Me: 3 times
    Lust 2 times
    Ghost: 2 times
    Breath: 1 time, among a few other usages.

    THE LEXICOGRAPHICAL MATERIAL
    Brown, Driver, and Briggs point out in ‘A Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament’ (p.659) that ‘nephesh’ has three basic meanings: the life principle, figurative usage, and the INNER* being, or SOUL* of man, which departs at death and returns with life at the resurrection.” Langenscheidt’s “Hebrew-English Dictionary to the Old Testament’ (p. 220) defines ‘nephesh’ as referring to the SELF*, or mind, as well as life. No lexicographical material was found which restricted ‘nephesh’ to the principle of physical life.

    Therefore, the Exegetical Evidence for the Hebrew word, ‘nephesh’ in the OT, refers to that invisible and immaterial LIFE principle, which animates the body of man.

    Also, ‘nephesh’ is used to describe the part of man which transcends the life principle, separates him from animals and likens him unto God; in whose image he was first created.

    Interestingly, Almighty God is a self-conscious Omnipotent being, who has a cognitive ego can say, “I am.” Thus God swears by His ‘nephesh’, i.e., His soul, or “self” in Jer. 51: 14 and Amos 6:8. In this sense, God is said to possess a “mind” “will” “heart” “emotions” “self etc (Job 23:13). The “nephesh” or soul of God is His transcendent SELF, certainly, then, we cannot reduce God, to being just a “BREATH” as is being done with man, as “Nephesh” has to be taken in the context in which it is used.

    Therefore, because man, as God’s image-bearer, IS* a cognitive being, who can say, “I am”. Thus, “nephesh” was translated to INDICATE* that man POSSESSES, mind, emotions, will, heart, SELF, which IS* the SOUL/SPIRIT, immaterial aspect of his BEING, and at physical DEATH, the transcendent SELF, (Soul/Spirit) leaves the BODY, and NEVER ceases to be conscious, whether it be in Heaven or Hell.

    Another salient point, is this, if we use the words “life principle” or “physical life” and insert them into every passage where “nephesh” is found, it becomes obvious that “nephesh” has more than one meaning. It also becomes clear that “nephesh” CANNOT* be simply reduced to the principle of physical life; because there is NO* WAY* that the principle of physical life could be understood as being that part of man which WORSHIPS* God (Deut. 10:12), SORROWS (Lev. 26:16), FEELS BITTERNESS ( I Sam 1:10), MISERY (Judg 10:16), GRIEF ( I Sam 2:33), or alienation ( Ezek 23: 17, 18). Can the life principle shared by man and animals “THIRST AFTER GOD”? ( Ps. 42:2).

    This is why man’s body is called a HOUSE of clay, IN* which the transcendent SELF* or SOUL* dwells ( Job. 7:10). The body is thus viewed as the place where man’s soul dwelled. But, the body is NEVER equated with the soul.

    The KJV et al versions, render “nephesh” in Gen 35: 18, as “…her SOUL was departing…” which is appropriate, as it is also rendered in I Kings 17: 21, 22, “…O Lord my God, I pray thee, let this child’s SOUL come into him again. And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the SOUL of the child came into him again, and he revived.”

    Lemuel, also, you’re very confused concerning the differnce between, the ‘Gift’ of Eternal Life, which is bestowed on the ‘Soul/Spirit’ of man, at the point of being ‘Saved’ ‘Justified’ as DISTINCT from* the Gift of “Immortality” which IS* given at the Resurrection of the New, glorified Body, when the ‘soul/spirit’ which after physical death WAS/IS with the Lord in heaven, in conscious bliss and joy, NOW, to be reunited WITH* the Resurrected Body, which YOU make light remarks of, in obvious ignorance of the Biblical truth of this most serious matter.


  31. To zoe:
    You seriously think you have gotten pass your roman theology, which you are spouting right here, but i deal with the scriptures alone, not man made conjecture which you readily repeat. You will never live long enough to get pass Ps 145:3,4 “don’t put your trust in human leaders; no human being can save you. when they DIE the return to the DUST; ON THAT DAY ALL THEIR PLANS COME TO AN END.” Please do not hide behind human conjecture and philosophy it does not impress me. That text plain states there is no consciousness after death. I am going with my confused self, but if you are really seeking the truth check out what I have said; stop relying on people who have no understanding of the scriptures, to them it is a fancy nancy story. Let me leave you with Martin luther’s(the german reformer) take on this subject : “monstrous fables that form part of the roman dunghills of decretals” The Problem Of Immortality” E. Petavel page 253. He continues the same line in reaction to Eccl. 9:5 “…There is no duty, no science,no knowledge, no wisdom there. Solomon judgeth that the dead are asleep and feel nothing at all. For the dead lie there, accounting neither days or years, but when they are awaked, they shall seem to have slept one minute.” Then it seems that Martin luther was just as confused as I am; but that is why he left the Catholic church because of the philosophies that you have ingrained and is repeating here.

    This my last on this my friend, and Iam praying that God gives you the wisdom and understanding to see the light with respect to this fundamental belief. I know I can never have an impact , but I also know that He can, if you make it possible. The experience with Christ is not an intellectual pursuit; it an act of surrendering ones will.


  32. To Zoe:
    I am glad you have not responded yet. This gives me an opportunity to look at the topic you are fixated on the transmigration of the soul, another roman classic. At creation God formed man out of the dust of the earth and BREATHE into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE. Gen 3:19 ….till thou return unto the ground for out of it (the dust) thous wast taken; FOR DUST THOU ART and unto DUST shalt thou RETURN. This is the part of the Bible that educated people hate to hear or know. You my friend and all of us humans are a HOUSE OF CLAY with the breath of GOD with provides our life. A simple truth which makes all humans cringe. We are any fantastic mechanism. This truth forced King David to pen “what is man that you (the only GOD) are mindful of him or the son of man that thou (the mighty GOD) visiteth him. The intellectuals hate the simple gospel because it tears away their supposed mystery/uniqueness. Again I ask if your body is not important why does Christ continue to keep it. He is GOD; he does not need it. Why do the saints who as you put it are already in heaven need to come back to earth resurrection morning/evening to pick up these old foolish bodies of clay. Although Adam and Eve had a covering (that is how they knew they were naked; it was removed by sin) they were still bodies of clay not enriched material that some of you love to introduce. It is like the Sabbath; it was introduced BEFORE sin came into existence. Some of you still feel it necessary to go through and wrangle text in order to turn upside down simple truth. GOD rested the seventh day after creation and blessed it and hallowed it.Never mind what the Jewish leaders even in Christ time did to subvert it. I know that that one would set you off as you have deemed the SDA as some odd thing. But I am still hopeful that you would get pass your indoctination and look for yourself.


  33. Lemuel, Your confusion gets worse and worse, you have NO* idea how to correctly divide, interpret God’s Word. You quote the ‘odd’ text, invariably taken out of ‘context.’ so typical of those like you, who have been brainwashed by some ‘Cult’ leader’s twisted theology.

    I have NOTHING* to do with Catholic theology, I deal completely with God’s Word, as I have quoted in its proper context, for which YOU have NO* answer, as you are IGNORANT*

    Imagine, in your IGNORANCE regarding the Glorious Day of Resurrection, YOU stupidly ask, in ignorance:

    “If all these people are enjoying bliss in heaven, why tear them away to rerun for A USELESS BODY OF CLAY…why is the combination of the body and the life from God so important?” Emphasis added.

    First, let me deal with your ignorant statement, “…rerun for a USELESS BODY OF CLAY…”

    Hear the Word of God, not the man-made FOLLY you have imbibed!

    Regarding the Glorious Day of Resurrection, when those who are Saved, “For this CORRUPTIBLE (Our bodies of SIN, Clay!) must PUT ON* INCORRUPTION*, and this MORTAL* (Body of clay) must PUT ON* IMMORTALITY* (Our New Glorified Resurrected Bodies). So that when this CORRUPTIBLE* (Body of clay) has PUT ON* INCORRUPTION* (Glorified Resurrected Bodies) and this mortal, has put ON* IMMORTALITY* then shall be brought tom pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your sting? O Hades where is your victory.” ( I Cor. 15: 53-55 Emphasis added)

    And, in your ignorance, in the face of God’s Word, quoted above, where we are exorted to look forward to the Glorious, INCORRUPTIBLE, Resurrected Bodies, we will have, NO MORE MORTAL bodies, fashioned in Clay, BUT, NOW Almighty God gives us, INCORRUPTIBE, IMMORTAL bodies, NEVER to, ever DIE again, and in your stupidy of such wonderful promises from HIS* Word, you say, “…to rerun for a USELESS BODY OF CLAY…” So typical of ‘Cult’ theolgy!

    You ask, “Why is the combination of the body and the life from God so important?”

    Adam was first Created NEVER to DIE, that is physically, NOR ‘spiritually’ BUT, God warned him, IF, he choose to disobey his Creator, “…for in the DAY that you eat of it, you SHALL surely DIE.” (Gen. 2:17b)

    The FIRST DEATH* that Adam experienced WAS* spiritual DEATH* a severed LOST of communion, fellowship, with his Creator, Almighty God. The second DEATH, brought on by SIN, was the CORRUPTION of his physical body, which ultimately had to DIE, which it did.

    Now, this was never God’s purpose for Adam, BUT, as a result of wilfull disobedience, he NOW died, first ‘spiritually, THEN , physical DEATH, where and WHEN* the terrible ‘separation’ of his ‘SOUL/SPIRIT’ from his BODY, happened at death.

    Fast forward to the NT, where we see and find, the discouse dealing with the Resurrection of the Just, those WHO ARE* ALIVE with Jesus in heaven, that IS* their SOUL/SPIRIT, whom God, “…even SO God will BRING with HIM* (sun auto, together WITH) those who sleep ( Reference to their DEAD bodies) in Jesus…AND the dead (bodies) in Christ will RISE FIRST…THEN WE who are ALIVE and remain SHALL be CAUGHT UP (raptured) with THEM in the clouds to METT the Lord in the air. And thus we SHALL ALWAYS be with the LORD.” ( I Thess.4: 14, 16, 17).

    So that what Adam brought through his disobedience, and resulted IN* the terrible ‘separation’ a ripping asunder of his ‘Soul/spirit’ from his physical body, through SIN, IS* now being Restored, through the Glorious Resurrected, Bodies, being REUNITED* WITH* their SOULS/SPIRITS, whom God BRINGS WITH* Jesus, as He descends from Heaven, where they have been with Him, in conscious Glory and Bliss, as this IS* how God intended it to be, BUT, Adam choose as a free-will moral agent, to rebel against his Creator, and DIED, spiritually, FIRST, then physically. All of this is NOW restored, and IS* fully consummated IN* the Glorious Resurrection of our NEW bodies, with our Souls/spirits, REUNITED as it was first intended to be.

    This IS* from the Word of God, NOT* any Roman Catholic dogma, the folly and false DOCTRINE* you, Lemuel, have been taught IS* heresy!


  34. @ lemuel
    LOL, you are obviously a newcomer to BU and don’t know Zoe as yet….Good luck to you….rotfl

    Bushie is however much impressed that you can so casually state such a highly misunderstood truism – namely:
    “The experience with Christ is not an intellectual pursuit; it an act of surrendering ones will.”

    Bushie has been trying to explain that fact to Mr. Zoe and his trinity associates for some time now…. unsuccessfully. We all hope that you will succeed in this regard.
    Unless one can exegesis multiple passages in greek, hebrew and latin Zoe is unimpressed.

    Just before you distracted Mr. Zoe, he was busy researching a few questions from the Bush man related to Jesus’s statement that his disciples WOULD be able to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom of God; He was also about to explain his inability to explain why Jesus deliberately and consistently misled his followers by the use of parables.

    Another BU family man (a rebel) Technician also asked Zoe to explain why Jesus would have created the devil- who has gone on to create so much pain, suffering and evil on generations of mankind.

    …..so cud-dear, take it easy with Zoey nuh!! give him a chance to do his exegeses and concordance research before you tie him up with such REALLY complicated matters like resting on the seventh day, and the nature of the soul….

    The poor chap still have matters outstanding. He should also be researching the fact that the concept of the trinity is only a catholic invention….


  35. To BT and Lemuel, I’ve already dealt extensively with BT’s foolish questions, re the ‘Trinity’ and Lucifer, who by PRIDE* sought to exhalt himself ABOVE* his Creator, AND was CAST* DOWN* and became Satan, plus the FACT* that the trinitarian doctrine IS* clearly arrived AT* through SOUND, explicit reference FROM* many NT text, which emphatically REVEAL* the THREE* distinct PERSONS* WITHIN* the Eternal Godhead, namely, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, that only an Non-Christian, plus a grammatically and linguistically DISHONEST person, would deny, but CANNOT refute, as BT, obviously IS!

    The parabolic issue, that BT, raises, is straightfoward, in that Jesus KNEW* as He already KNOWS* the hearts of ALL MEN, therefore, the things pertaining to the KINGDOM OF GOD, was entrusted to those whose HEART, were/are receptive to the TRUTH* of God’s Word, and, therefore, the parabolic teachings, obviously confused those whose HEARTS, simply would NOT* welcome such revelation, simple enough!


  36. BTW, God does NOT bypass the human INTELLECT* as He created it, and gave us the deeper things of HIS* Word, that require academic/intellectual studies, in order to teach, explain, and expound HIS* TRUTH* when this is COMBINED* with a true heartfelt, SURRENDER, in sincere Repentence, and FAITH* in Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord, it becomes a POTENT* weapon in the hands of God!


  37. To Bush Tea:
    Thanks. What has me is that a person could so intellectualize the scriptures he or she does not go outside the puny human intellectual found in most of these religious commentaries.
    To Zoe:
    I asked you to deal with the plain word in Psalms 146:3,4; I also asked you to deal with the comments by Martin Luther the reformer, the foundation of all religious protestations. yet you continue to fulminate on the contrived text. You have shown no indication that you are given to any logical thought in this respect, and calling me ignorant does not help your case. Whether you like it or not you are a house of clay, which shall be again given that divine covering which Adam lost. Yes, I agree that sin separated Adam and us from GOD. Jesus made that right; but remember when Cain Killed Abel. The Lord said “Why have you done this terrible thing? Your brother’s BLOOD is crying out to me from the ground, like a voice calling for revenge” Gen 4:10. Why did the SPIRIT not cry to God; Why was the BLOOD talking to GOD. Why was BLOOD important in the jewish animal sacrificial system. Why did Christ need to shed his blood. Why without the shedding of BLOOD there is no remission for SIN.
    In one of your contributions you did say that you were exposed or involved in roman catholicism. Sorry if i misunderstood.


  38. To Zoe:
    What have you done with your masonic teaching that there must be evil for good to exist; Did you get that far in it? You speak of knowing Christ but your writing style belies the years or attempts spent in mysticism. Yet I speak to you plainly. Your philosophy tends to border on the new age concepts that have been around for sometime. If that is so please tell us so I would know what I am dealing with. Remember what Christ told the seventy that he sent out “don’t be impressed that devils obey you; be impress that your name is written in the Lamb’s book of Life”. If you are not aware of it look at Exodus when Moses asked that his name be blotted out. This thing we are involved in is more than brains power, as Christ said you must be like a child to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Right now you are more of a pharasee by the approach you have with dismissing those of us with lesser intellect. I would rather be the publican.


  39. To Zoe:
    There is one thing I need to touch. Why in Thessalonians does Paul tell us that when the arch angel blows his trumpet, the DEAD in Christ shall rise First and those WHO ARE ALIVE shall meet the Lord in the air. If these people according to you are in heaven enjoying themselves why is there a need to raise their bodies of clay. The mistake you made is that man or the angels were not created immortal. If they were GOD could not destroy Satan and those who chose to continue to rebel against him at the end. These people are not in any HELL being tormented day and night. An eternal fire shall burn until all are consumed some will be consumed sooner than some. Yes, Zoe there is no hell where people who now die are thrown into.


  40. To Zoe:
    I took the time to actually with my small intellect read all of your postings on this subject. You seem to be believe that a small spiritual event makes you a religious king kong. It does not . You also seem to believe that you you and some inner group you belong to are given the okay by God or Christ or the Holy Spirit to understand the things of God as expressed in the Bible. A very similar approach in mysticism circles. Avery similar approach to most of the religious contributors on VOB after six o’clock. You talk the good talk about love and the goodness of God but where are these thing as you expound the word here; you present yourself like a stuffy no it all. God has people on this earth they are in SDA the catholic church the pentecostals and even you Zoe; no one has some exclusive hold on GOd; you would not be able to handle it. No spewing of Bush Tea or any oneelse going to HELL by you is going to make them go there even if one currently existed. You are still controlled by many of the beliefs you were steeped in and that is where I see some light for you to really get to know the God of love not a tyrant like Satan.
    By the way the jews as a nation lost their special label of being called God’s chosen people when Christ was rejected; however, any jew as an individual can come; You need to read and understand Paul’s exposition on this. We the gentiles are the add on fruits. Remember the samaratan lady who wanted Christ to heal her child; he said that he could not waste the children’s food on dogs and she replied that dogs even partake on the crumbs that drop from the table. We gentiles are in her position. I hope that does not give you heart ache.
    You need to learn the lesson that requires you to drop all your fighting gear and walk in faith into the battle. God promises that the battle is his we are only the instruments that he sometimes utilize.


  41. Lemuel, You’re just rambling on; NO, I have NOTHING to do with mysticism, the new age movement, nor do I take my teachings, from any Masonic source, the WORD of GOD, the Bible, is my sole soure, as it IS FOREVER setteled IN Heaven!

    Psalm 146, 4, “His SPIRIT departs, he returns to his earth (his physical body) In that very day his plans perish” Yes, his SPIRIT, the immaterial aspect of him, departs, AND, his physical body (bios) then goes to the earth. What ever plans he had while alive on earth, now PERISH, as his destiny is now FINAL, either Heaven or Hell.

    Having done a detailed exposition in my earlier post, on I Cor. 15: 53-56, where the CONTRAST given in God’s Word, between what is CORRUPTIBLE (Our sin stained bodies of Clay) and what our New Glorified, Resurrected Bodies will be like, INCORRUPTIBLE, that MORTAL, (clay bodies) MUST put on IMMORTALITY, this IS* from God’s Word, in the New Testament, NOT some new age nonsense, or mysticism, and yet, you Lemuel, come again asking such foolish questions:

    ” IF these people according to you are in heaven enjoying themselves why is there a need to raise their bodies of clay?”

    Lemuel, can you read properly, or what? Man, I gave the reason why this IS so from God’s Word, NOT mine, it IS* God, according to His Word, WHO will raise them UP, NOT in bodies of clay, which were CORRUPTIBLE, but NOW in INCORRUPTIBLE, Glorified bodies, as fles and BLOOD, cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

    In the same discourse in I corinthians 15, Paul in dealing with the same issue, says; “So also is the RESURRECTION of the dead. The body is sown in CORRUPTION, (but!) it IS* RAISED (Resurrected) in INCORRUPTION. It is sown in DISHONOR, (Sin) it is RAISED in GLORY. It is sown in weakness (Sin) it IS* raised in POWER.. It is sown a NATURAL body, it is RAISED a SPIRITUAL body. And so it is written: “the first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a LIFE-GIVING
    SPIRIT.” (vv. 42-44) Emphasis added.

    Lemuel, DEAL with these passages from the NT, DEAL with them, and STOP jumping all over the place, running from the subject matter, DEAL with this discourse in the NT, which clearly speak to the issue of the Resurrection of our NEW, Glorified bodies, and stop asking silly questions!


  42. @Lemuel… Please forgive me for this, but I must…

    @Zoe: “You’re just rambling on; NO, I have NOTHING to do with mysticism, the new age movement, nor do I take my teachings, from any Masonic source, the WORD of GOD, the Bible, is my sole soure, as it IS FOREVER setteled IN Heaven!

    But the Bible is just a book.

    Do you know (and thus can prove) this book (and which version?) is true?

    Or do you simply Believe?

    Important questions.

    Important answers.


  43. @ lemuel
    Sir, you will find that Zoe is a tough nut to crack. Right now you just lucky that his trinity sidekicks have taken a period of rest from the battle LOL …. else it would be licks like fire ’bout here now….

    On a more serious note though, the Bush Man is very impressed. You obviously have taken the very complex approach to learning the TRUTH about life, (as you said, “The experience with Christ is not an intellectual pursuit; it an act of surrendering ones will.”) or as the bushman has been trying to tell Zoe, ‘Seek – and you will find; ASK – and it will be given”. Unfortunately that is a VERY DIFFICULT step for many to take -especially the rich, bright and talented.

    Welcome to BU lemmy.


  44. To Zoe:
    Why don’t you read and understand what I wrote and stop repeating the same thing, Are you stuck in a gear. I raised other things to substnatiate my points. Why are you fightrenen to let go of your moorings for once. I shall give you time to think and respond. The glorification of our bodies shall to the state that Adamm and Eve had before sin. Our immortality is assrred when we eat of the thee of life and are healed by the leaves of the trees which grow at the side of the stream of water which comes from God’s thorne. Revealtion. Read the Bible carefully Zoe not within the cinfines of what you commentareis are telling you. That is only human wisdom, which in the sight of God is foolishness.

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