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Dear  BPWCCUL (Barbados Public Workers’ Co-operative Credit Union) Limited members, some of you have expressed concern with the actions taken by the Board to acquire Capita, the apparent reluctance by the Board to be forthright with information regarding CAPITA’s operations and the manner in which decisions relating to Capita are being made.

It is possible that everything done by the Board is legitimate and that CAPITA is a good investment. However, it is not sensible for the members to blindly allow the Board to oversee almost $1 billion, without being fully transparent in and accountable for its actions.

It is suggested that the members demand a special general meeting to consider all matters relating to Capita, including its acquisition, operations and future direction. After considering all of the matters, the members can then make a decision to accept the Board’s actions regarding CAPITA or remove the Board and elect a new Board to execute the members’ wishes regarding CAPITA.

If you are in support of convening such a meeting, please print the attached Demand and have it signed by as many members as possible. You can periodically report here on the number of signatures collected. When fifty signatures have been secured, the members in possession of the signed forms can arrange to meet, copy and deliver the signed forms. If you sign the attached Demand, you need to be prepared for the possibility that the Board may resign. You should therefore give some thought to suitable replacements to lead BPWCCUL before the meeting is convened. If fifty signatures are not secured, you should consider this matter closed.

Please distribute the attached flyer to assist in disseminating this message to members of BPWCCUL.

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107 responses to “Special Meeting Called By Concerned Group of Barbados Public Workers Cooperative Credit Union Ltd”

  1. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    All I can say, CRABS IN A BASKET.

  2. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    If you sign the attached Demand, you need to be prepared for the possibility that the Board may resign.

    That statement appears in the above post. That is not a problem. Some years ago, I proposed an amendment which was approved be the members that would take care of that “problem”. I was reviewing the by-laws and discovered that it was wrongly inserted but, nevertheless, appears as By-law 34 (2) which states:

    If there are no directors remaining the Supervisory Committtee and the Credit Committee, sitting jointly, shall in writing appoint directors solely for the purpose of calling a general meeting to elect members to fill the vacant directorships.

    Don’t concern yourself though, there are some directors that will never resign, life is too sweet being a director of BPWCCUL.

  3. Pooposition Is At Sea Avatar
    Pooposition Is At Sea

    O LORD THIS ONE MAN BLP MAN UNION AT IT AGAIN ??? Give us a break.

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  5. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    “If you are in support of convening such a meeting, please print the attached Demand and have it signed by as many members as possible.

    A pity the URL results in a 404 (File not found) error….

  6. just only asking Avatar
    just only asking

    @David

    file 404 not located.;

    @C Cadogan

    why did you make such a statement?

    @Poop at Sea

    Leave mr franklyn alone. If the members have concerns they will take what action they think that is neccessary.

  7. David Avatar
    David

    Thanks for the feedback, the broken link has been fixed.

    Remember you can click on the icons under the post to share i.e. if you have email, twitter, facebook etc.

    It is important if members want to democratize the process in their credit union they have to participate.

    It is your credit union!

  8. Cat Eyes Avatar
    Cat Eyes

    The AGM was the time and place to make this request. Were any concerns addressed there? Weren’t the same people who are laughing at us voted back on to continue laughing?

  9. David Avatar
    David

    @Cat Eyes

    The Mutual Affair would have demonstrated issues such as this one need a champion a la Hilary Beckles.

    The average credit union member in a Barbados environment remains passive and in many cases ignorant to their rights and the avenues open to exercise those rights in a formal AGM setting.

  10. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @David… Further to your above…

    A great man once said “Law is made for man, not man for the law.

    Law is simply a tool; like a hammer, a drill, a screwdriver or mathematics.

    Learning to use it to your own advantage is not really that difficult, despite what some might tell you.

  11. David Avatar
    David

    @Chris

    Too true.

    The other consideration in this matter is the extent to which there is a mentality which says members have total confidence in the Board to act on their behalf. In the spirit of the coop movement an asinine position to hold.

  12. jack spratt Avatar
    jack spratt

    I do not understand your last statement, David. The directors are not there forever and will one day become ordinary members again. On whose behalf then do they act?

  13. David Avatar
    David

    @Jack Spratt

    Reading the comments on the other credit union blogs it seems we have many of the same faces rotating through the management committees and board.

  14. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @David: “Reading the comments on the other credit union blogs it seems we have many of the same faces rotating through the management committees and board.

    Being the honest sceptic I am, may I please ask you to provide the URLs to those credit union blogs you refer to in your above?

  15. just only asking Avatar
    just only asking

    @Daivd et al

    I hope that this is not just talk, i cant recall hearing many searching questions being asked at the AG> it wold appear that we are a nation of talkers. I have printed a few copies of the notice and palce them on baords. Each member should dsiplay it in his workplace. Further, the notice can be amailed to persons on the Government portal or whatever you call it.

    Sorry that i might be out of the isalnd and have to miss it, but will do my part before I leave. I hope the concerned persons are orgnized and it is not a one man concerned person. I have taken the decision to reuduce my risk as i am a net contributor to the coop.

  16. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    David
    You said:
    “The average credit union member in a Barbados environment remains passive and in many cases ignorant to their rights and the avenues open to exercise those rights in a formal AGM setting.”

    That statement is partly true: even when you know your rights and attempt to exercise them you get locked in the process. Let me cite a two examples:
    1. On June 20, 2007, I filed a dispute against the board of Public Workers board when they dismissed the Internal Auditor in breach of the by-laws. The Registrar refused to deal with the matter stating that I was not an aggrieved party. I appealed her decision to the Co-operative Societies Appeal Tribunal but that tribunal never sat to consider anything.

    2. When shares of BNB and ICB were on the market the then Administration announced that some shares were allocated for credit unions. I wrote to Prime Minister Arthur pointing out that the Co-operative Societies Act did not allow credit unions to purchase those shares. You would not believe what happened next: Government allowed the purchase and some time later the law was amended to allow future purchases of this nature.

    I could go on and on. It would appear that once the board court political friends they are protected and the officials who are supposed to enforce the law are prevented from doing so through fear of losing their jobs and ignore wrong doing.

    You must remember that Prime Minister Thompson announced that he had given approval for the credit union to purchase Clico mortgage Finance Co. That was not his role, as a matter of fact he had no role in that regard. Even though the members did not give permission to borrow the money to purchase that company , the board felt secure enough to breach the by-laws knowing full well that nothing would happen. There was an added bonus for a board member Paul got a job after 5 years of unemployment.

  17. Bajanguy Avatar
    Bajanguy

    What’s funny about this is…If they couldn’t turn up at the meeting and identify themselves and raise these so called concerns..are they going to a) turn up in the park or even b) Sign their names to this ?

    Also find it interesting that @just only asking is going to be conveniently out of the island but encouraging everyone else to attend….

    None of you have yet to layout the case of so called wrong doing, mismanagement or embezzlement that been talked about? Just all kinds of rhetoric , none of you are commenting on the performance of the credit union during the last twelve months which surpassed many of the other organisations you put money with..you people are typical of the culture that kills this country..”I ain’t getting it so noone should” and claim that there are issues with the Governance.

    So anyone that dare point out contrary for you people is corrupt…so far in these posts, the Police Corrupt, the Registrar of cooperatives corrupt , the other 35 credit unions corrupt that voted to use Capita as the vehicle to form a bank for credit unions sometime in the future not next week.

    @david…you posted about the Navy Federal Credit Union but you are just as reckless cause you haven’t pointed out that the range of services offered by that credit union are what BPWCCUl is striving withits so called “corrupt Board” to bring..including mobile banking. Additionally, @David note that the Board members of the Navy Federal Credit Union all have training in some business discipline. They clearly didn’t just let any yardfowl on the Board to manage its huge assets.

    Hey guys #justsaying…but lets see if I can predict your responses…

    @caswell – his response will be that – I’m one of them as well.. Try and pay back the people their money that you by your own admission “embezzled”. Why don’t you tell these concerned people about the other monies you haven’t paid back …

  18. David Avatar
    David

    @Bajanguy

    The issue here is about transparency in decision-making. Before Paul Maxwell touted the mobile baking concept had this matter been discussed/tabled to members?

    How much money has been spent in consulting fees on this matter so far? How does it fit into credit union strategy.

    You are correct that the members who are concerned about the CAPITA matter should have attended the meeting on Saturday.

    It is there right to mobilize if they want having realized their mistake.

    You should bear in mind also the profitability of the credit union is good but it should not preempt any attempt to blanket transparency in how BPW board does business with its members.

  19. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    Some of you wish to embarrass the board and some of you wish to disregard the concerns of those members that have concerns. If the board indeed purchased the mortgage company without seeking the consent of the members, that action was inappropriate.

    Shareholders elect a board to manage a specific business and, unless the shareholders agree to limit the powers of the board, the board has the authority do so. The board does not have the authority to fundamentally change that business without the agreement of the shareholders. At the extreme, imagine appointing a board to manage a chain of night clubs, only to discover that the board purchased a chain of strip clubs to expand the business because of the high profitability associated with strip clubs.

    In the spirit of cooperation, I suggest that the board initiate a special meeting to address the items highlighted and conclude this matter, regardless of any demand. In the main, the members are financially unsophisticated individuals, with savings of less than $10,000 and likely a net loan balance, so there is no need to be critical of their efforts to organize and put forward their concerns. Consider looking out for and protecting these members.

  20. David Avatar
    David

    @A.Freeman

    Well said, it does nothing for the reputational capital of BPW credit union to have these stories posted on the Internet.

    When lose or draw it serves the interest of the credit union to respond to the concerns even if the noise being made by a minority voice.

  21. jujst only asking Avatar
    jujst only asking

    @ Bajan Guy

    You are nothing more than a J A. I can represent myself any place and dont have to tell lies, I am one of the elite savers in the credit union and have more to lose than most, in fact i am one of the elite 700 members. As I under another blog, i have stopped my saving element from JUly, it was too late to stop it for june. if the training that i am supposed dont come off as planned, I SHALl BE THERE AND WHAT ABOUT YOU TO PIMP TO pimp on WHAT IS PLANNED TO REPORT TO THE BOARD.

    I will sign the petition, i aint frighten for a fella bout here, dont judge me by you lack standards which appear to at 1 on a scale of 1-10..

    if you have savings, you perhaps dont have eeough to buy a few pounds of scratch grain. i dont need a loan, nor a morgage i am at the departure gate. I have always been a net saver with the union. So you can go to hell and back..

    So if you have no interest in this topic go and play with yourself. By the way, why dont you ask the members to pay back all the money they got under false pretenses, including you..

    I think caswell add more to the union than all those holding position, sorry he helped place that J A as ceo. I know he reget that decision, nut it is too late.

  22. jujst only asking Avatar
    jujst only asking

    @David

    Did you remember that the mutuul board was transformed as a result of the concerned policyholders fighting mutual to have elections, as apposed to a few white people being selected and a token black in henry forde being on the board.

    The mutual fought the policyholders in the press and they could not find a black to run on it side, making overture to some that the said policyholders were backing. At the last minute Vivain Ann Gittens entered the fray in thier corner and from that day she and Maxime Mcclean fell out, because it was felt that she was used. She then had the gall to say that she was the first woman to sit on the Board without thanking those who paved the way for her, that is why upto this day i have no respect for her, as i consider her an opportunist. Just like some of those membera who Bajan GUy is supporting.,

  23. balance Avatar
    balance

    strange that the credit union meeting like the public workers meeting has come and gone like a candle in the wind and there has been no further action from the action group who do not seem to be able to muster 50 signatures from over 10000 members to support the cause of the same membership.

  24. jack spratt Avatar
    jack spratt

    I am watching this development with interest. My feeling? Bare pappyshow and ole talk!

  25. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    It is not inconceivable for this credit union to eventually be transformed into a full commercial entity. The challenge will be, however, the allocation of the equity. As with the Barbados Mutual, a formula will be needed to determine the equity allocation and, in this instance, should consider the net savings balance of each member, which was used to generate the undistributed retained earnings, currently held as statutory and other reserves. The $100,000 club of 700 members, especially, need pay attention to any eventual transformation of this entity.

    Caswell, you seem very knowledgeable of credit unions. If a member decides to leave the credit union, is that member allocated an amount that represents a proportionate share of the retained earnings held as (statutory and other) reserves, which accumulated over the duration of the exiting member’s membership? If this is so, are the underlying records that sophisticated and accurate. If this is not so, is it an acknowledged feature of credit unions that a portion of the earnings of current members gets allocated to future members?

  26. David Avatar
    David

    @A. freeman

    The issue here is about transparency and good governance.

    @et al

    Is it any different to what we witnessed with the NUPW matter?

    We had Derek Alleyne, Manessah King, Gill and a host of others and what? It seems as if they were read the riot act, have you seen them recently?

    Even at the national level Barbadians don’t want to participate in our democracy, they believe that a vote at election time is it.

  27. David Avatar
    David

    BU has given voice to the concerns of some members. It is up to them to do some work.

    It can’t be done behind a mask.

    How many have gone to traditional media with their concerns?

    Call the talk shows?

    Pay to do an email blast?

    A recommendation would be for this group, if it is serious, to print some flyers and distribute at government departments, if they are serious that is.

  28. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    David, I wish to understand the inner workings of these entities. Caswell, I will still appreciate a response.

  29. David Avatar
    David

    @A.Freeman

    Understood, just wanted to make the point that the crux of the issue as read is the concern by some that the acquisition of CMFC/CAPITA was not managed in the most transparent manner and secondly the strategic positioning needs to be distilled.

    Frankly a CAPITA competing in a small market for mortgages and funding will affect the public workers credit union. Some members of the credit union will naturally want to do business with CAPITA because of the affiliation, it is a subsidiary after all.

  30. Doctor Avatar
    Doctor

    $500,000 missing from Barbados Treasury…

  31. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Balance: “…and there has been no further action from the action group who do not seem to be able to muster 50 signatures from over 10000 members to support the cause of the same membership.

    I would be *very* surprised if 50 signatures are not secured. (And, for the record, I have no financial interest in this matter.)

    I find it interesting how so many suddenly come out of the “woodwork” when it is actioned that Bajans use their rights for themselves….

  32. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    David | June 24, 2011 at 6:23 AM | @A. freeman The issue here is about transparency and good governance

    http://www.membertrust.org/WhoBenefits.html

    CONFLICT OF INTEREST
    The Board and Executives Have a Lot to Gain—Member-Owners Have a Lot to Lose.

    A credit unions’ directors and executives serve as stewards of their member-owners’ institution. However, they typically make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars by converting their members’ credit union to a bank. This financial gain for insiders generally comes at the expense of members. In addition to rates and fees getting worse, conversion usually means the loss of valuable ownership.

    HOW MUCH DO INSIDERS MAKE?
    The board of directors acquired an average of $742,000 dollars each in stock and awards by converting and began paying themselves annually and per-meeting, according to a study of insider gain at five converted credit unions conducted by the Credit Union National Association.

    The CEOs at these former credit unions acquired or were given an average of $1.9 million dollars in stock gifts and options, are now paid more than 150% the salary of CEOs of similarly sized credit unions. Both groups are able to profit on the stock they purchased in a closed initial public stock offering. Directors and executives should not profit by recommending a conversion that costs members their ownership and good rates.

  33. just only asking Avatar
    just only asking

    The reason why persons did not continue with the action was because the newly elected treasurer assured some persons that the money will be repaid under her watch.

  34. balance Avatar
    balance

    TREAURER OF THE CREDIT UNION OR PUBLIC WORKERS. I AM LOST JUST ASKING. I REFERRED TO TWO ENTITIES WHICH WERE UNDER SEVERE CRITICISM ON THE UNDERGROUND ABOUT MANAGEMENT OF THEIR AFFAIRS AND TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE THE STATUS QUO REMAINS AND THE CONCERNED PERPETRATORS HAVE GONE STRANGELY SILENT. AM I ASSUME IT WAS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

  35. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    If you have a high savings account balance at a credit union or a bank, I suggest that you invest a small percentage of your savings in the stock market, initially to experience it. After that, decide how you wish to proceed. When the utility of cash is decreasing, stocks may provide better security, as the cash is diversified through the entities’ assets.

  36. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    A. Freeman | June 24, 2011 at 5:46 AM | Caswell, you seem very knowledgeable of credit unions. If a member decides to leave the credit union, is that member allocated an amount that represents a proportionate share of the retained earnings held as (statutory and other) reserves, which accumulated over the duration of the exiting member’s membership? If this is so, are the underlying records that sophisticated and accurate. If this is not so, is it an acknowledged feature of credit unions that a portion of the earnings of current members gets allocated to future members?

  37. David Avatar
    David

    @A. Freeman

    Caswell must be busy, today is the AGM of COB.

  38. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ Freeman
    If a member leaves, he takes his savings and (after any possible liabilities to his shares are ascertained) his shares.
    The only allocation of reserves that are consigned to any particular member are those properly declared at a general meeting when dividends and /or patronage refunds are declared. Otherwise retained earnings continue to be held by the collective body.

    So leaving a successful coop is not a very good idea.
    The thing to do (and the whole objective -DESPITE the complaints of the uninformed on this blog) is to BECOME INVOLVED, ASK QUESTIONS. and PARTICIPATE to ensure good management.

    The BEST questions are foolish questions – sometimes these bring out the most truths…..
    and in any event, this is how members learn about their rights and their organization.

    ….just saying til Caswell get back….LOL

  39. just only asking Avatar
    just only asking

    @Balance

    You chose which way you want, isnt tha what democracy about?.

  40. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    Bush Tea | June 25, 2011 at 10:24 AM |
    Thank you for the response. This is very bad news for frustrated members. With a publicly traded company, you sell your shares and hopefully at a price that reflects a proportionate share of retained and future earnings. With such wide, uninformed groups of shareholders, directors really do have control of credit unions. I am sorry to say, but Capita seems to have the potential to inject into the credit union movement a for-profit model that is inconsistent with the inability of members to access the value locked within retained earnings, while the management of Capita may have the potential to immediately realize significant rewards by arranging the sale of Capita and being rewarded by the new controlling owner(s) for closing such a transaction. A reasonable course of action may be for the members to vote for the shares or Capita to be distributed, using an appropriate formula, directly to the current BPWCCUL members, so that the members own two separate entities, a credit union and a mortgage company.

  41. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ Freeman
    “This is very bad news for frustrated members….”
    **********************
    The bad news is that after so many years of Credit Union growth in Barbados, even intelligent well meaning persons continue to think that the Credit Union is there to cater to their own TV-driven, personal illusions of easy wealth.

    ALL co-operatives are intended to provide fora for collective self-help and development.
    In other words, to look after each another by pooling resources and volunteering skills and talents.

    The only thing really special about a Credit Union is that its objectives are focused on member’s financial needs.
    One therefore should join a Credit Union as a COLLECTIVE COMMUNITY effort to build all the members through the Credit Union.

    It is fairly obvious (AND ONLY TO BE EXPECTED) that as it becomes more successful, elements who are interested in their own selfish ends will be attracted….. the solution is NOT take your portion and run….. but to re-assert the objectives of the organization and expose the charlatans by intense scrutiny….

    If your suspicions are wrong and the Board (or whoever) is operating according to the credit union principles, then your scrutiny will only highlight and reinforce their good work.

    A GOOD BOARD WELCOMES SCRUTINY!!! It is the best form of member education.

    Members need not be frustrated – they need to become energized, interested and active…. Too much effort and good work has gone into that organization for good members to leave in frustration now…

    However if members fail to get interested and end up losing their shirts, then they have ONLY themselves to blame – THAT is the beauty of co-operatives…..(unlike an investment in stocks where individual small shareholders have NO SAY AT ALL in the organization’s affairs)

  42. smooth chocolate Avatar
    smooth chocolate

    i intend to sign but when i check, couldn’t access the link

  43. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    Bush Tea | June 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM |
    I appreciate all that you have said. However, the inability to access retained earnings seems to be a very inequitable feature of credit unions. This means that a man could be a member for sixty years, during which retained earnings grow from $0 to $40 million, then passes away without he or his descendants realizing the benefit of those earnings. The credit unions may need to adopt the concept of allocated, undistributed earnings, where the retained earnings are fully allocated to members each year, with the portion needed for reserves undistributed, though allocated. A member should then be allowed upon retirement, or his descendants upon his death, to withdraw his share of the allocated, undistributed earnings. In short, given the nature of the entity, there should be no unallocated, even if undistributed, retained earnings.

  44. David Avatar
    David

    @A. Freeman

    Consider it a reciprocal arrangement.

    The credit union needs the retained earnings as capital to secure the company, a stable financial company obviously benefits the member while being active.

    There is the value, the credit union owes the member nothing when the account is closed.

  45. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    David | June 25, 2011 at 2:50 PM |
    David, what you are suggesting would be reasonable if there was no provision to allow for a future set of members to dissolve the credit union and distribute the retained earnings. At some future date, a set of members, with more sophistication, will likely realize that there is a significant benefit to selling the loan portfolio, dissolving the entity and distributing the retained earnings. Such members may even comprise members that join for the sole purpose of executing the dissolution. I accept that capital is needed to operate the business – I am saying to allocate all earnings, but retain (not distribute) the portion needed for capital, so that the earnings retained for capital is already allocated. This way, new members do not inherit the retained earnings that should rightfully be the property of past members.

  46. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    A. Freeman: “However, the inability to access retained earnings seems to be a very inequitable feature of credit unions.

    This is not true for *all* credit unions. Many pay dividends in years of excess earnings as a function of a member’s savings (extra interest paid) and loans (interest charges reduced).

    There is no reason this could not be done here.

  47. just only asking Avatar
    just only asking

    @Freeman

    There is logic in what you are seeing. consisder their earnings over the years as their goodwill in that the retained earnings which is used for capitall assisted in propelling the business and a formula should be found to allocate a portion of that retained earning annually based on your investment, On leaving the business due to death or otherwise then your value should now be realized and paid to you.

    Ordianry shareholders on the winiding up of a company either suffer a gain or a loss as they are the one that carry the risk over the years and every member of the credit union carry the risk, some more than others.

  48. Rambling Rose Avatar
    Rambling Rose

    just rambling but i dont care about anything else as a member than to know that my money is there when i go fo it.

    i hate the commercial banks especially a certain one down there by the tree so i am resorting to the credit union.

    i hope they do ok and safeguard the people’s money or not i will have to draw off my money because that is the part i am interested in.

  49. A. Freeman Avatar
    A. Freeman

    Christopher Halsall | June 25, 2011 at 3:53 PM |
    Christopher, according to this (http://publicworkers.bb/documents/news/areports/Annual_Report_2010.pdf), the BPWCCUL had in excess of $48 million held as reserves last year – this is the number that I am getting at. Though withheld for capital purposes, to support the business, this amount should have been allocated, though withheld, over time, to ensure equitable distribution. For example, according to his contributions, just-only-asking has been a member for many years and has accumulated over $100,000 in savings. It is reasonable to conclude that most of the $48 million held in reserves was accumulated during his membership. It seems unreasonable and inequitable that, upon retirement, having supported the credit union for many years as a net saver, he will not be able to access his proportionate share of those funds.

  50. David Avatar
    David

    @A. Freeman

    What if the credit union encounters a rough financial period and it has the need to dip into retained earnings to support the business?

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