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2012Hollywood is doing it again. This time itโ€™s the terminal endgame for the planet. The blockbuster 2012 will be released in movie theatres on November 12th. The trailer for this movie paints an ominous planetary apocalypse where manโ€™s greatest fear or in some cases denial becomes a final reality.

In much of Judaic-Christian apocalyptic literature as well as in Islamic Hadiths, end time scenarios paint a future of literal cleansing of the earth by fire and desolation. As 2012 highlights the ferocity of devastating earthquakes which creates record-breaking tsunamis coupled with Category 6 hurricanes which push global temperatures into bizarre fluctuations โ€“ the planet tether-totters as it writhes in cosmic agony as a pregnant woman in the labor pain of childbirth.

One may argue that predictions of how the world would end have been around for thousands of years. We can read summations of this eschatology based on the opening of the 7 Seals in the book of Revelation where the [4] Horsemen of the Apocalypse dole out patrimony in the form of war, famine, plague and death โ€“ consummating with the ultimate โ€œJudgment Dayโ€ cosmological show-piece following on its heels.

For Muslims, it is the return of the Madhi and Jesus, son of Mary that will bring the final doomsday where the โ€œSun Will Rise In The Westโ€ and usher in the Golden Age.

In 2006, Mel Gibsonโ€™s film Apocalypto, a Greek word meaning “an unveiling and a new beginningโ€ was a forerunner to this new film 2012 and it finds resonance and gels with the Mayan definition of the “Fin de los Tiempos” (END OF TIME) where the next prophesied โ€œb’ak’tunโ€ (GREAT CYCLE) will occur on Friday, December 21, 2012.

Whatโ€™s remarkable is the portrayal used in this movie which is based on Mayans belief conceptualized in a prophetic idea of the โ€œGREAT CYCLEโ€ โ€“ in which Mel Gibson & Co. in Hollywood are using to fan the flames of hyper-reality and sensualization with the release of this apocalyptic movie.

According to Mayan prophecy it is said that the Sun will be in alignment during the winter solstice crossing perfectly the equatorial plane of the Milky Way. Astronomers and cosmologists agree that the Solar System only enters this plane twice during this โ€˜Great Cycleโ€™ producing this epiphenomenon called a GALACTIC REVOLUTION.

The Mayan Popol Vuh’s (Mayan Bible) prophecy of the “Fin de los Tiempos” is based on the Mayans mathematical as well as astronomical calculations and abilities which were unsurpassed as a civilization, devising probably the most accurate calendars known to man, even more accurate than the modern Gregorian calendar – showing through extremely accurate observations of the sun, the planets, the stars and the Milky Way galaxy, possessing knowledge concerning the “Precession of the Equinoxes“, and as they approached the study of “prophecy” they looked at the periodicity of cycles, especially astronomical ones, and their connection to human events (Carreon 2005).

The Mayan Calendar which was based on a 20 day month with [18] a year, revolving every 20 years, or what is called a “Katun” (generation) – and each 20 โ€œKatunsโ€ was called a โ€œbโ€™akโ€™tunโ€, and where [13] of these made a “Great Cycle” (about 5125 of our years). This “Great Cycle” due to end in 2012.

But is this all ancient religious title tattle concerning THE END? Does anyone really know the future for sure? What does this Mayan long count calendar which was a MesoAmerican calendrical system really tell us about religious faith? Are there other possible ways of foretelling how a sequence of events will usher in the doomsday that even seems to fascinate Hollywood? And what do other religious faiths say about the end of the world as we know it? Letโ€™s see what other faiths have to say concerning the end.

For one, traditional Hindu prophecies, as described in the โ€œPuranasโ€ and other Sanskrit texts, warns us that the world will fall into chaos and degradation where perversity, greed and conflict, will be rife as described in the following statement:

“When deceit falsehood, lethargy, sleepiness, violence, despondency, grief, delusion, fear, and poverty prevail … when men, filled with conceit, consider themselves equal with the Brahmins…that is the Kali Yuga.”

Then according to Hindu prophecy will the โ€œAVATARโ€ come:

“The Lord shall manifest Himself as the Kalki Avatar… He will establish righteousness upon the earth and the minds of the people will become as pure as crystal… As a result, the Sat or Krta Yuga (Golden Age) will be established.”

Like Hindus, Buddhists also believe in a cycle of destruction and creation. Buddha believed his teachings wouldโ€™ve disappeared after 500 years because it was in manโ€™s nature to follow the ten amoral concepts of theft, violence, murder, lying, evil speaking, adultery, abusive and idle talk, covetousness and ill will, wanton greed, and perverted lust resulting in skyrocketing poverty and the end of the worldly laws of true dharma. A new Buddha called the โ€œMaitreyaโ€ will arise to renew the teachings of Buddhism and rediscover the path to Nirvana. Maitreya is believed to currently residing in the Tusita heaven, where he is awaiting his final rebirth in the world.

In Judaic hermeneutic tradition, the end of the world is called the โ€œAcharit Hayamimโ€ (End of Days). Global apocalyptic events will destroy โ€œthe old world orderโ€ creating โ€œA New Orderโ€ in which God is universally recognized as the Ruler over everyone and everything. Sages of the Talmud say: “Let the end of days come, but may I not live to see them”, because they will be filled with so much conflict, suffering and destruction โ€“ no eyes would want to see such devastation.

In Zoroastrianism eschatology which some argue is probably the oldest eschatology in recorded history where by 500 BC Zoroastrians had fully developed a concept of the end of the world by a cleansing by fire. According to Zoroastrian philosophy, redacted in the Zand-i Vohuman Yasht:

“At the end of thy [10th] hundredth winter…the sun is more unseen and more spotted; the year, month, and day are shorter; and the earth is more barren; and the crop will not yield the seed; and men … become more deceitful and more given to vile practices. They have no gratitude.”

At the end of the Battle between the righteous and wicked, a Final Judgment of all souls will commence. Sinners will be punished 3 days, but are then forgiven. The world will reach perfection as poverty, old age, disease, thirst, hunger and death are halted. Zoroastrian concepts parallel greatly with those of Jewish, Christian, and Islamic eschatological beliefs, largely due to the influence Zoastrianism exerted on Judaism whilst the Levant was under Achaemenid control and the subsequent emergence of Christianity and Islam from Judaism.

In Native American prophecy it is said that a “great dwelling place” in the heavens shall fall with a great crash to the earth and it appears as a blue star, and the earth will rock to and fro. It is also prophesized that during the end times the earth would be crossed by iron snakes and stone rivers, (i.e. railroads), and the land would be criss-crossed by a giant spider’s web (i.e. freeways), and seas will turn black (i.e. oil spills). Many will die, but those who understand the prophecies shall live in the places of the Hopi* people and be safe.

But what is science saying?

Finally science is also facing up to the serious challenges our planet is undergoing. In a scientific research city in the heart of Siberia, geophysicists are concerned that the solar system is moving into a highly charged interstellar energy cloud and these renowned physicists are trying to make sense of the fact that the earthโ€™s magnetic field is vanishing. Amongst the vast field of data are concerns based on empirical scientific research on solar data; the increasing incidents of earthquakes and the growing areas of seismic activity; volcanic activity around Mount St. Helens and a myriad of global issues which impact on every inhabitant on the earth. Research at the Solar & Heliospheric Observatory opens a fascinating window on the awesome beauty of planet and many skeptics cannot imagine that this wonderful planet including the heavens around us will one day go into meltdown.

Whatever your belief โ€“ these are the facts, the prophecies and the strands of philosophy which provided the necessary ammunition for all of us to make a decisive choices. Again Hollywood seems to be setting the social, moral and spiritual temperature in our world.

Go figure!


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173 responses to “2012: What Does This Movie Tell Us About The Apocalyptic Endgame For Planet Earth?”


  1. @Vir
    You seem to have an agenda. Did I say that you did actually have an agenda?


  2. Vir, you are indeed the man!

    In the face of sustained logic and plain common sense, Rok is attempting to run by playing that he ignoring you by appealing to the very unclear posts of ac.

    Rok is dishonest and knows that ac is talking as much shit as he is.

    After all, in proper analysis, one gives much thought in forming decisions when confronted with a problem. (Who is comforted with a problem?)

    Persons who scream โ€œfire โ€˜ in a crowded place can cause mayhem or even death, because they have given little thought before they scream, and probably scream because they are fearful, or because they are playing the ass, and โ€œcrying wolf!โ€

    Certainly Rok knows that โ€œscreaming fireโ€ in a crowded place is not a good example of analysis. But does he? Ah mean he ought to with the job he has right?

    Ac is off course correct in pointing out that one must clarify their statements. He must also adherent to his own dictum.

    He is also correct in pointing out that everything that we believe is not in the best interest of others. E.g because Rok does not believe in the Bible or Christ does not mean that it is in the best interest of others for him to always attack those who do on BU, because as you say, some folk learn a lot from the posts of Terrence or GP or Zoe about religion, but no one learns anything from Rok, except that he is a looney!

    Guess what? I saw God descending on Sinai this morning on a space craft!


  3. @Vir

    The bible is the biggest lie and you believe it.


  4. Rok

    Have we not established that he has the right and freedom to do so?

    Although he has not said that he does. He said that he is trying to learn from those who know more about the Bible than he does, and clearly since you dont believe it or know it, you are an irritant, when you continually try to interupt the flow of thought during the teaching of the Bible stalwarts who post on this blog.

    Dont worry Rok , you friends Hopi, BT , CH and others will soon join you and give you some support. Cool it man. Your “daddy the devil” (according to Vir) will soon send you some help and comfort. But right now Vir burning your tail! And I love um.


  5. Now I should really hark what ac is saying. I think the bible being described as a lie is a direct consequence of those who are constantly trying to turn it into absolute truth. It is not, even if you believe so.

    That kind of behaviour is only to the discredit of the faith. I keep referring to Rev. Errington Massiah who is reported to have said that these bible toting wannabe priests and pastors are an enemy of the religion. You hang your head in shame over him too; as he is a former Lodge Boy?

    You need to understand where you stand as a believer in christianity. That is what got you so mad now because you have never sat to think through what you believe in, but rather, (probably for your own sanity) you accept it because it is convenient and everybody that you know believe it.

    That suits you, it is fine with me. You are not damned because you believe but admit that it is a belief and nothing more.

    Now, the bible like any other book of philosophy or religion has its lessons, but it does not have in it all the lessons to be had. I take any book on what it can give, not what it cannot give.

    Essentially, the bible tries to address questions of the Creator and the Creation. It has in it some lessons drawn from Egyptian and Sumerian (African) societies. It also has in mythology that predates it.

    It therefore represents a view of history which is distorted. You understand why the Christians were so persecuted? It was because people knew that there could be no god of gods that made all gods. They were not in any fantasy as to who god was, and therefore this religion and story which never happened came under great ridicule.

    Not only that, the people knew that there were two factions within the gods, the other became known as satan. The ancients spoke of a war in the heavens where the two gods clashed and Jehovah or Jahwe won.

    It is like saying that there is a more powerful body than the illuminati; an illuminati to the illuminati. Joke! If, however, the illuminati had split into two factions, what would happen? Take you cue from the Cold War, where Hitler and the Germans/Russians were known as satan to us in the west and the president of the USA/PM of England, etc., were known as satan behind the iron curtain.

    Christianity has done the same thing to all other religions. Once you are not a christian, you serving the devil. You getting caught up and can’t see. Yes, I know man, I am the devil to you… but I learn from your faith that the devil don’t go about trying to do good for the unfortunate or bear advocacy for them; with or without reward. So you keep on pressing that panic button.


  6. @Vir, Anonymous,

    I really don’t have much time with the two of you. If you think that somebody licking in my tail, that is your satisfaction. If you think that my posts offers no knowledge, then again, that is your prerogative.

    I have been beaten. Thanks for the lashes. You are better than I am. I concede to being the devil. To tell the truth, it looks better from over here than when I was over there. I no longer have any fear in my heart for one thing.


  7. ROK
    You donโ€™t have much time with me and Vir ? So why you responding all day trying frantically to prove that you are an intellectual rather than an idiot!

    I donโ€™t think that or BELIEVE that your post donโ€™t offer any knowledge I KNOW SO!
    I know that you have been beatenโ€ฆ and to a pulp too!

    You must concede to being the devil, cause he is your daddy.
    Who has fear? Go read 1 John 4:18 man. Start with verse 15 for connection..

    15. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
    16. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
    17. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
    18. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.


  8. @Anonymous

    I respond to you out of courtesy and the fact that it is supposed to be a conversation between two human beings. No other reason. I don’t intend to impose anything on you, nor will you be able to impose anything on me. You obviously think that I am a lesser mortal than you. So be it. I have nothing to prove to you and I don’t claim to have the absolute truth so there is nothing about me that will profit you. So simply move on unless your ego is so hurt.


  9. Yes Anonnymous , the Devil [who happens to be a creation of the christians imagination] just sent for me. And since I’m not one to sit idly by and watch my friends get into a JUST fight I will jump in.

    @Vir……..”We are now hearing a different tale about Columbusโ€™ coming to the Antiles than that which we ere taught at school!” And the same shysters who brought us those damn colossal Columbus LIES are the same shysters who brought you that same big stinking CHRISTIANITY LIE. And just as they were successful in locking down the minds of BLACK people in their historical prisons, they have obviously succeeded in locking down the minds of quite a few right here on BU in their religious prisons. And it looks like you’re all in misery.


  10. @Hopi

    This ain’t no fight. Just a few sand flies or are they mosquitoes? I got some mosquito coil.


  11. @ROK……………..Well smoke em out!


  12. Are the catastrophic depictions in this film realistic or a fear mongering campaign? It’s obvious that something significant is gonna happen in 2012 (see below why). Nobody knows for sure exactly what will happen. The news media and the motion picture industry is controlled by the government. Government uses motion pictures to desensitize people to things. These pictures are not only gonna desensitize you to a potential cataclysmic event but primarily they are being used to desensitize you to US troops taking over America and the institution of marital law. e.g The Siege. The US government is leaning toward instituting martial law and institution something where troops beginning to march on US citizens. (Obama just called an health emergency that gives him the power to do so!)

    Solar flares affects electromagnetics around the earth. We know this. Again, no mystery, it’s science, not hocopocus. We also know that solar flare ups and solar eruptions have major impacts on the electromagnetics in the earth including satellites, and a list of other things. Major physicists came forth a few years ago and said in 2012 peaking in Dec 2012 they expect major solar eruptions which could have a major impact on telecommunications satellite systems and electricity on planet Earth. About 4 months ago these same scientists went on US national TV and said they made a calculation error when they announce these solar flares is gonna be the biggest ever and have a major impact on earth peaking in Dec 2012. The error was it’s gonna be 20 times bigger than they predicted.

    Unfortunately, we had Y2K where everyone said this is gonna be disaster, we spend all this money and we did not have any impact. Actually the reason why we didn’t have any impact was that everything was upgraded and changed. We took the necessary steps.

    So there is some things happening. HOWEVER, THE WORLD IS NOT GONNA END IN 2012!

    Here’s some factual evidence:

    Solor Activity in 2012

    The next period of intense solar activity is expected in 2012, and coincides with the presence of a gigantic hole in Earthโ€™s geomagnetic shield which was discovered by NASA’s THEMIS satellite

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/themis/news/themis_leaky_shield.html

    (FFWD to 2:55m – 7:40m in video for clip – ignore the rest of the video)
    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/21jan_severespaceweather.htm
    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/2012storms/
    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/29may_noaaprediction.htm

    Planet X possibility at least
    http://rst.gsfc.nasa.gov/Sect19/Sect19_2a.html
    http://www.cps-jp.org/pub/cps/press080228_j.html
    http://www.cps-jp.org/pub/cps/IMAGE/Planetoid-edgeon.png


  13. @ROK
    “All I am saying is that it comes out in your words; the prejudices and the ridicule. The fact that you choose your words carefully makes it even more damning…This is not something you overcome overnight. You have spent your whole life as a christian so how can you in a moment give up all the stigmas, ridicule, persecution and all the other negative idiosyncrasies know to characterize Christianity?”

    ROK – why are trying to pick a fight?

    I made it clear to you that I was NOT* gesticulating; neither was I doing religious or emotional gymnastics with you.

    I was plain and unobtrusive – clear enough that my 3 and half year old “grandson” would understand!!!

    Why do you insist in reading into my words – shadows and phantoms which do not exist?

    Do you NOT* believe that I have enough spatial recognition and cognitive ability to be able to say what I mean and mean what I say?

    I do not know you! I have never met you! Why should I stoop so low as to insult you? Does that make sense to you?

    C’mon bruv*, dis’ the tirade!!!


  14. @Citizen…

    1. Your arguments would be more meaningful if you spelt “solar” consistently…

    2. No one can predict the future perfectly…

    3. If I may, please let me try to predict the future:

    3.1. In 2012, and ever after (and ever before), the Sun will rise in the East, and set in the West, from the perspective of an Observer situated on the surface of the Third Planet of our Solar System.

    4. Humans may be Observes of this phenomenon in the future…

    4.1. Then again, we many not…

    4.1.1. (IMHO) It’s all up to us….


  15. In response to Terrence’s statement: Is there a correlation between prediction and prophecy? What does Occult โ€œNumerologyโ€ tell us?…I complete understand where he is coming from. The whole world is run on numerical frequency or rhythm, right down to the atom. We are controlled by the measured (numbers) of the cycles of the sun and the moon, the earth, the tides etc. Unfortunately this knowledge is used to control and manipulate on a global scale. Many who do not understand this or are even aware of it, when it is pointed out to them, instead of seeking further they fall into fear and pretend such knowledge does not exist. I have written many books highlighting these very concepts, and how numbers have been misused to manipulate the deaths of such icons as Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Selassie, Princess Diana, and many more. These are covered in my book DECODING WORLD EVENTS THROUGH NUMEROLOGY, available from my site at http://www.Diana-
    Armstrong.com

    I also lecture extensively in London and on radio programmes to wake people up who are ready, as not all want to be woken up. I am planning to do talks and workshops when I come to Barbados in the very near future to highlight these issues.
    I think what Terence mentioned on numbers is invaluable and people should take the time to explore this further – As it is their own mental, physical, emotional and spiritual selves that is at stake in this vicious game on the population of planet earth. It is so much bigger than a lot of people would want to realise or acknowledge. But ignorance is not really bliss. Hiding oneโ€™s head in the sand does not mean that the lorry is going to hit you in the rear end just because you canโ€™t see it coming.


  16. Big deal, another set of idiots talking about end times, and after 2012 when is the next end time hysteria.

    P.S Christianity can’t save you either…because.

    Jesus is dead, get over it.

    The Jesus character in the bible is mostly a symbolic representation of the SUN and the passage through the constellations.

    Romans and pagans loaded the religion full with their images and weird sh*t like symbolic cannibalism (communion)

    Christian morality is fundamentally a “slave morality”…read “The AntiChrist” by Nietzsche….suck it up at the realization the religion is for sheeple and slaves….get over it, get a clue, adopt a master morality.

    Maybe then you’ll have a chance at life with some kind of meaning.

    The wolves are at the gates, would you rather be a sheep with an imaginary shepherd or a human with a shot gun?


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  18. In reading the above contributions two things pop out as really scary. First is all the attention paid to what is purely mythological in which we do not know and cannot know exactly what the myths were really talking about. And second is the prevalence of serious belief in major and far reaching conspiracy theories. Come on people, get a life! The world operates according to known laws of physics and not according to some witchcraft mythology, and nobody, anywhere, is sufficiently organized to create and operate the conspiracies noted without having it all leak out quickly. You contributors really destroy my faith in rational thought in the population of this island. Man, if you guys are typical we really are doomed, not by cosmic conflagration, but by sheer ignorance at home.


  19. http://555dubstreet.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/the-middle-east/

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    cโ€™est un Faux Pas (stupidly wrong)


  20. There is a pastor called Lindsey Williams in the states who lets little birds whisper in his ear you see and one of them told him that the US dollar will completely collapse in 2012 and if you don’t have gold or silver you are out to sea,everyone will be working for the federal government,banks worldwide will crash leaving only nine that are credible,WWIII will start in the middle east..go figure.


  21. There are many others including economists in the States who are also saying the same thing, for some time now.

    The USA is on the brink of its demise just as all preious great economies and empires have done in the past- and for the very same reasons.

    The US debt is phenomenal and all its creditors have to do is call in the chips and devalue thir dollar.

    Any jackass can see that war in the middle east is imminent.

    Go figure!


  22. Makaveli
    Idiots donโ€™t talk about end times, because they donโ€™t know anything about it.

    There seems to be a lot of hype about 2012; but we shall soon see.

    P.S Christianity has never ever saved anyone yet JESUS SAVES, not Christianity. Numerous scriptures teach that!

    Numerous scriptures also teach that Jesus is NOT dead, but rose again. So you get over it.

    You characterization of the Jesus of the Bible indicates that you are a blasphemer, and a devil

    Romans and pagans certainly did load religion full with their images and weird sh*t, but true Bible believing Christians do not follow such rituals, and most donโ€™t even know of them, as they have never really been exposed to them

    You demonstrate your great ignorance when you say that communion is symbolic cannibalism. True Bible believing Christians know that communion is a remembrance feast for the Lord until he comes. Do read the Scriptures properly before spouting foolishness.

    Without Christian morality the world will descend into total chaos. BUT JESUS IS COMING SOON So you get over it.


  23. Citizen
    You are totally correct! THE WORLD IS NOT GONNA END IN 2012!
    Hereโ€™s some factual evidence.
    The Bible teaches that after the contemporary, and coming chaos, that Jesus will return to reign for 1000 years, and after that several Scriptures teach that he will reign FOR EVER!


  24. Hopi on October 27, 2009 at 4:46 PM
    The Devil is NOT a creation of the christians imagination.
    JESUS SAID that hell was created for the devil and his angels. Hence the devil existed BEFORE either the church or Christians.

    Your jumping in added nothing to the discussion, except to confess that you are indeed in league with the devil, like your colleague M O R O N KING.
    ROhas ] just sent for me. And since Iโ€™m not one to sit idly by and watch my friends get into a JUST fight I will jump in.

    And no Hopi BOTH BLACKS and WHITES believe CHRISTIAN TRUTH !

    If the minds of black people are locked down in their historical prisons, it is because they chose to let their history control their destiny, and nothing else.

    Believing the Bible has not stopped me from enjoying life and succeeding in several endeavors.


  25. Oh Hopi
    Believing the Bible didnโ€™t stop GP from winning a Barbados Exhibition, or becoming a doctor or professor.

    @ ROK on October 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM
    You respond to me because you like conflict, contention, and confrontation. There is NOTHING courteous about you, man.
    And you certainly cant impose anything on me, or anyone with sense on this blog. I know whom I have believed, and you talking nonsense cant affect that or my ego.

    It is not that you have nothing to prove to me, it is simply that you can not prove any of the BS you spout on this blog. Just as Christians BEELIEVE what they believe, you believe the nonsense that you believe. And the junk that you believe has NO SUBSTANCE OR LOGIC WHAT EVER.

    And you are very very correct! YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT KNOW OR BELIEVE THE TRUTH and there is NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING,about you that can profit me. I donโ€™t keep company with morons of your ilk!

    And I wont be moving on.
    The nonsense that you spew on this log must be countered, and I will do so. I wont be running like GP!


  26. “You characterization of the Jesus of the Bible indicates that you are a blasphemer, and a devil…”

    Says who? What is a blasphemer? Who is the devil? You are repeating what you think you should repeat and it is dangerous for the simple reason that you believe. It is a belief and you do not have any facts.

    Therefore, on the basis of what you believe you would like to cast anybody who don’t believe the same as you into brimstone and fire, but it don’t work so.

    What I can say to you is that such behaviour sows the seeds of violence and hideous crimes against humanity and not to forget persecution, the same that was meted out to christians in the past and you complain about it, now you seek to perpetrate it.

    Furthermore, when you say, “You demonstrate your great ignorance when you say that communion is symbolic cannibalism.” who is really demonstrating ignorance? Christians open your eyes… anytime you eat the flesh and drink the blood of another human you are a cannibal and if you do it symbolically it is still cannibalism. Not just your deeds but your thoughts.

    You are a christian and start off calling people idiots? What kind of christian are you? If you are so christian, righteous and holy, why do you in a couple paragraphs commit a multiplicity of sins.

    Remember your bible. “Vengeance is mine saith the Lord…” Not yours skipper. Cool your foot. Be a christian for once.


  27. “And no Hopi BOTH BLACKS and WHITES believe CHRISTIAN TRUTH !”

    Key word: “BELIEVE”. The truth is the truth and not open to belief. There is no room for belief if you are speaking the truth.


  28. “If the minds of black people are locked down in their historical prisons, it is because they chose to let their history control their destiny, and nothing else.”

    Are the minds of black people locked down in history? Where are the minds of the Israelis then? and you that believe in christianity? Where are your minds locked down? You should be ashamed to make that statement. See the wrath that comes forth from your pen.

    It is because of christianity and not history that we are imprisoned. Look at you; using the bible and christianity to spread hate. How much different are you as a christian with your mind solidly fixed in 1500BC?


  29. @Anonnymous…….
    And according to you, you are enjoying life and are succeeding in many endeavours….I think I can say the same thing about this DEVIL; seems very successful and happy in its endeavours according to what the christians constantly spew forth about him/it…He/it also has a huge following and riches. Isn’t that so?

    Have you ever come face to face with the DEVIL and what does it look like? Cause it seems like the only people who have met this devil are the reliegious ones like the christians. So just give me a brief description so that I can avoid him/it! Pleeze!

    Drinking of the ‘red’ wine symbolizes ‘HIS’ blood and eating that ‘white’ bread symbolizes his [white skin] /flesh/body. Can you find any act more spiritually cannibalistic than THIS one? Why didn’t they drink some distilled water instead of red wine? If you want to do his will, why don’t you feed the poor, clothe the naked, parent the parentless, STOP paying taxes to governments that DO NOT DO HIS will?

    Or better yet, why don’t you find out if JESUS CHRIST really existed outside of that Bible.

    Did you know that your Lord’s prayer came out of Kemet?


  30. @ ROK // October 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM
    RE: โ€œYou characterization of the Jesus of the Bible indicates that you are a blasphemer, and a devilโ€ฆโ€
    Says who? THE BIBLE THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH
    What is a blasphemer? LOOK IT UP
    Who is the devil? LOOK IN THE MIRROR

    RE You are repeating what you think you should repeat and it is dangerous for the simple reason that you believe.
    How do you know what I believe. You do not KNOW me. you do not have any facts on me by your own stupid logic. You are BELIEVING things about me, even though you think that to BELIEVE is wrong (that is when it has to do with the Bible.) Because you BELIEVED that your computer would boot up this morning. YOU OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE SOMETHING fool!

    I cant cast anyone into brimstone and fire, unfortunately, but I have often wish I was Elijah and could call down fire from heaven.

    No one is persecuting you ROK, but you have sought to persecute others on this blog that donโ€™t agree with you, but they just ignore you, as you are not their intellectual equal. I only trying to show the blog how flawed your logic is; even though I KNOW AND BELIEVE that you cant comprehend.

    Christian do NOT drink blood or eat any oneโ€™s flesh. You know it and your daddy the devil knows it too!

    You do not KNOW that I am a Christian. There you go again BELIEVING ABOUT THINGS YOU DO NOT KNOW. Yet you want to scoff at Christians for believing their Bible!

    Do I sound like a Christian to you?
    You donโ€™t BELIEVE the Bible, but you quote it. Why quote it if you donโ€™t BELIEVE IT? Ill tell you why? It is written in James 2: 19b . Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    The truth is that both you and your daddy, the devil believe, and tremble.
    Like your daddy, the devil, your foolish heart is darkened. NO light can penetrate thereto!
    Again you say โ€œAnd no Hopi BOTH BLACKS and WHITES believe CHRISTIAN TRUTH !โ€ Key word: โ€œBELIEVEโ€. The truth is the truth and not open to belief. There is no room for belief if you are speaking the truth.โ€

    What is truth? What is the relationship between TRUTH and what one BELIEVES fool?
    Does my BELIEF that your name is really M O R O N KING make it TRUTH?

    MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE LIES EVERYDAY.

    The TRUTH is not subject to change, it is absolute. BUT ONE CAN BELIEVE WHAT THEY WISH.

    THOUGH I BELIEVE THAT YOUR CORRECT NAME OUT TO BE M O R O N KING , that does not make it truth.

    Go understand the definition of TRUTH & BELIEVE

    There you go again believing that my mind is solidly fixed in 1500BC? To quote youโ€ฆ.you HAVE NO FACTS!

    You can not prove that blacks are imprisoned because of Christianity because myriads of blacks all over the worlds are NOT and have never BEEN CHRISTIAN. IS THAT NOT THE FACTS?

    How did the Israelis get into this? Bowl at the stumps man. Focus fool! And you are a leader in a Barbados organization?


  31. @Hopi // October 29, 2009 at 10:26 AM

    So just give me a brief description so that I can avoid him/it! Pleeze!

    Look in the mirror. Look at pictures of ROK and CH and you have an idea of the many faces of the devil.

    You of course know that there are Christian organizations around the world that feed the poor, clothe the naked, parent the parentless etc

    Hopi I am sorry that you donโ€™t KNOW or BELIEVE that JESUS CHRIST really existed outside of that Bible.

    I am sure that you know that many have DIED for their BELIEF IN HIM.

    The Lords prayer i.e John 17 nor the model prayer of Mathew 5 was not an invention of your daddy or any of his assigns.

    Drinking of the โ€˜redโ€™ wine symbolizes โ€˜HISโ€™ blood and eating that โ€˜whiteโ€™ bread symbolizes his [white skin] /flesh/body. Can you find any act more spiritually cannibalistic than THIS one?

    The answer to this question is given in Titus 1:15 my Christian friend tells me. It reads thus Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
    Christians donโ€™t drink distil water at communion because CHRIST COMMANDED THEM OTHERWISE, as you yourself were taught in your youth before SATAN TOOK OBVER YOUR HEART & SOUL!

    Yes the DEVIL is temporarily successful because the Bible calls him the god of this world system! And he certainly has a huge following and riches.

    So did Hitler and many other such evil leaders who he had total control over.

    BUT JESUS IS COMING SOON!


  32. “Look in the mirror. Look at pictures of ROK and CH and you have an idea of the many faces of the devil.”

    Just what I mean. Instigators without substance. I suggest that you look into the mirror too. The devil in you masquerading as christian.


  33. “Says who? THE BIBLE THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH…”

    and what you know about what I hate so much? Right now you are telling lies on me simply because I choose not to believe. So because I don’t believe I hate the bible. Wicked!


  34. Hey ROK…

    At least Anonnymous didn’t call us a *really* dirty word. Like, say, Socialists…

    As an aside, would Jesus Christ’s actual teachings not be considered Socialist in nature?


  35. Socialist is an old name given to Christians when they shared everything incommon for thier mutual benefit.

    You are late with your silly quip as usual.

    In some parts of the world Christians still share what they have.

    It is indeed very stupid to think that sharing things within groups of individuals is wrong.

    In this you show your origins. Your daddy has no new tricks.

    You do not KNOW anything about the teachings of Jesus, who is considered to ne a MASTER teacher by even infidels and unbelievers.


  36. “How do you know what I believe. ”

    Simple yes, the story in the bible and everything else concocted to support it. You have made it no secret. From your knee-jerk reactionary responses, I would say you blindly believe it too; to the point of paro-noia.


  37. @Anonnymous: “Socialist is an old name given to Christians when they shared everything incommon for thier mutual benefit.

    Socialist (Socialism) is an old name applied to a particular political belief system. Religion doesn’t enter the equation…

    @Anonnymous: “In some parts of the world Christians still share what they have.

    Would that, in general, include (or exclude) the Great US of A?

    And why do you narrow this down to Christians? Are those of other faiths not also able to share?

    @Anonnymous: “It is indeed very stupid to think that sharing things within groups of individuals is wrong.

    I never said that it was wrong. I simply inferred that many *consider* it wrong. *I*, *personally*, consider such actions enlightened.

    (For context, I find it very interesting what is currently going on in the US of A wrt the health care debate. Gods forbid everyone have access to health care. And lets not even start to talk about Cuba or Venezuela et al…)


  38. Re @Anonnymous: โ€œSocialist is an old name given to Christians when they shared everything incommon for thier mutual benefit.

    You have been well taught somewhere.

    Actually this is correct. The Romans called the belioevers in the first century church both cannibals for practicing the Lord’s supper, and socialists for “having on all things in common” as practiced by folk like Barnabas who hold his posessions.

    So “Religion does enter the equation!’ But if you don t know, you dont know.

    This is a basic teaching in church history. A good reference would be Phil Stringer’s THE FAITHFUL BAPTIST WITNESS. Or the TRAIL OF BLOOD.

    Socialist (Socialism) as a name applied to a particular political belief system…….ocurred long after the first century AD.


  39. @Georgie Porgie… Oh, boy! Does this mean you’re willing to be my playmate for a while?

    As I hope you know, I’m more than willing to be proven wrong.

    But as I hope you also know, language evolves…

    Could you, Mr. Porgie, please explain why so many Christians find (the modern usage of) the word Socialism (or, (gasp!) Communism)) so abhorrent?


  40. I do not know why so many Christians find (the modern usage of) the word Socialism or, Communism so abhorrent, (if they do)- nor do I care frankly!

    I do not really enter into discussions on either Socialism or Communism. I leave that for those who are interested in those political ideals or ideas.

    I cant dabble in everything, nor do I intend to.


  41. @Georgie Porgie: “I cant dabble in everything, nor do I intend to.

    So you’re taking your ball, and going home?

    Pity… That could have been an enjoyable game….


  42. @Anonnymous……..”You of course know that there are Christian organizations around the world that feed the poor, clothe the ……”

    “I am sure that you know that many have DIED for their BELIEF IN HIM.”

    Pray tell me Anon, how DO YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW these things?

    Do you know I did go look in the mirror and didn’t see that Devil. What exactly should I look for? Tell me what’s in your mirror that’s not in mine!

    “Socialist is an old name given to Christians when they shared everything incommon for thier mutual benefit.” huh huh .This practise occurred long before anyone by the name of christian walked this earth. So you are very late.


  43. @ Hopi
    re Socialist is an old name given to Christians when they shared everything incommon for thier mutual benefit.โ€ huh huh .This practise occurred long before anyone by the name of christian walked this earth. So you are very late.

    I dont think that annonnnymous was claiming that Christians claimed to be the first to share things in common. I think- and he is indeed correct- that he is saying that first century Christians who did so, were called socialists or communists in a derogatory fashion.

    In fact, even the name “Christian” was used in a derogatory way then, even as it is today on BU.


  44. @Mr. Porgie: “In fact, even the name โ€œChristianโ€ was used in a derogatory way then, even as it is today on BU.

    If I May please share… My Mother named me Christopher in the hopes I would be “Christ Like”…

    Boy, was she ever disappointed (or, perhaps, not)….


  45. after all the hoopla . Just wondering where we all gonna go :”HEAVEN or HELL”
    @Anonymous


  46. Well hell is coming to us on earth in the form of the New World Order…sooner than you think and shortly after this event that i posted becomes reality next will be Codex Alimentarius.
    http://www.webcommentary.com/


  47. Read this bull shit fellas.

    This is what college professors teach and write in texts books!

    It’s hard to think of oxygen as a poisonous gas, but billions of years ago, oxygen was as toxic as cyanide. One whiff by an organism and a cascade of highly destructive oxidation reactions was set into motion. Death followed quickly.

    Difficult to believe? Not if you realize that ancient organisms relied on fermentation and anaerobic chemistry for their energy needs.

    They took organic materials from the environment and digested them to release the available energy.

    The atmosphere was full of methane, hydrogen, ammonia, carbon dioxide and other gases. But no oxygen. And it was that way for hundreds of millions of years.

    Then came the cyanobacteria and their ability to perform photosynthesis. Chlorophyll and chlorophyll like pigments evolved, and organisms could now trap radiant energy from the sun and convert it to chemical energy in carbohydrates. But there was a downside: Oxygen was a waste product of the process; โ€”and it was deadly because the oxygen radicals (O2-, OH-) produced could disrupt cellular metabolism by “tearing away” electrons from other molecules.

    As millions of microbial species died off in the toxic oceans and atmosphere, others “escaped” to oxygen-free environments that are still in existence today. A few species survived by adapting to the new oxygen environment. They survived because they evolved the enzymes to safely tuck away oxygen atoms in a nontoxic form. That form was water. They used oxygen as a final electron acceptor in an electron transport system to tap foods for large amounts of energy. And so the Krebs cycle and oxidative phosphorylation came into existence.

    Also coming into existence were millions of new species, some merely surviving and others thriving in the oxygen-rich environment. The face of planet Earth was changing as anaerobic and fermenting species declined and aerobic species proliferated. A couple of billion years would pass before one particยฌularly well-known species of oxygen-breathing creature evolved: Homo sapiens.

    Come on M O R O N King, explain this for the BU folk , and get Hopi to help you. LOL


  48. @vir
    you being a person of faith i find it hard to underst and the venom which you eepoused on fellow bloggers. what does the bible say about people like yourself. for one the bible or christianty does not need people such as yourself to defend it.your are doing a horrible job in so doing.’ye that is without sin cast the first stone.’you need to be less hostile.that is the way you come across.


  49. You are judging.
    You do not KNOW that I am a poerson of faith.
    Have you seen the venom and hostility that M O R O N Rok has espoused on fellow bloggers who comment on Bible?
    You are like Rok, judging without the facts. You dont know me.

    Can you respond to the information posted above? Can you advance the discussion? You are not my judge.

    Is not the junk above in keeping with Rok’s postulate a few days ago that the Bible tries to explain creation? Isnt this facts for him to run with and comment on?

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