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JesuitsBy 1540, the Society of Jesus or the Jesuits as they are called were established with the principal function to win back the Protestant countries of Europe by any religio-political means necessary and to bring the World Order under the aegis of Vatican rule.

The underhanded working of the โ€œBlack Princeโ€ became diabolically subterranean and sinister. In its ethos, where its reach has now been felt for the last 460 years the โ€œdark forcesโ€ of the underworld planned, schemed, concocted and spun a web of lying intrigue and subterfuge to mask their evil deeds of deception. We know however that these malignant powers have been at work for thousands of years, mangling the world in its tentacles even long before this Order came of age.

The sinister timeline of Jesuit theology and its influence has been such that it has infected every nation, kindred, tongue and people. It has created storm clouds of the magnitude that 2 major world wars have been fought in its name resulting in what Edmond Paris describes as:

โ€œA great accumulation of clouds, where lightning is powerful and the storm is bound to break outโ€ฆ Between 1939 and 1945, the storm killed 57 million souls ravaging and ruining Europe. We must be on our guard; another and even worse catastrophe may lie hidden in these same clouds; lighting may strike again, throwing the world into “abysses human wisdom can foresee”, but out of which, if it had the misfortune to let itself be thrown into, no power (on earth) could rescue it.โ€ [Emphasis supplied is mine].

Modern Christianity has largely forgotten the importance of the Protestant Reformation of the 1500โ€™s. Moreover, its resemblance to the church set up by Christ at His ascension pales in comparison today for what passes off as the Christian faith.

After 1260 years of papal oppression, the church awoke after a deep, dense, dark night of sleep to realize that superstition was rife and the witness for Biblical truth that was slain and martyred was left for dead, lying in the streets in an age of reason โ€“ a Renaissance bolstered by a move away from feudalism to modernity. But the dawn of the light of the Reformation meant that the opening of prophetic revelation (once sealed up) had finally been opened.

On the scene of action came Martin Luther. It has been said that the Reformation first discovered Jesus Christ, and then, in the blazing light of Christ, it discovered the Antichrist. This mighty, Spirit-filled movement, for Christ and against the Antichrist, shook the world.

H. Grattan Guinness wrote these memorable words: โ€œFrom the first, and throughout, that movement [the Reformation] was energized and guided by the prophetic word. Luther never felt strong and free to war against the Papal apostasy till he recognized the pope as Antichrist. It was then that he burned the Papal bull (shit*) [Emphasis supplied is mine].

But the Jesuits answered!

โ€œIn the reaction that followed, all the powers of hell seemed to be let loose upon the adherents of the Reformation. War followed war: tortures, burnings, and massacres were multiplied.โ€

So in 1545 the Council of Trent was set up to counter the Reformation and ending its 3rd session in 1563 where the Catholic Church hierarchy gave the Jesuits the specific assignment of destroying Protestantism and bringing people back to the Mother Church. This was to be done not only through the Inquisition and through torture, but also through insidious and pervasive theology.

At the Council of Trent, the Jesuits were commissioned by the Pope to develop a new interpretation of Scripture that would counteract the Protestant application of the Bibleโ€™s Antichrist prophecies to the Roman Catholic Church. Francisco Ribera (1537-1591), a brilliant Jesuit priest and doctor of theology from Spain published a commentary on Revelation as a counter-interpretation to the prevailing view among Protestants which identified the Papacy with the Antichrist. Ribera applied all of Revelation but the earliest chapters to the end time rather than to the history of the Church. According to concocted Jesuit theology – The Antichrist would be a single evil person who would be received by the Jews and would rebuild Jerusalem at the end of time.

Ribera’s antithesis on the Protestant Scriptural Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2) as seated in the church of God โ€”asserted by Augustine, Jerome, Luther and many reformers was now dispelled and they set up an infidel Antichrist, outside the church of God. โ€œThe result of his work [Riberaโ€™s] was a twisting and maligning of prophetic truth.โ€

On the heels of Ribera was Jesuit scholar, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621). The (Futurism) teachings of these Jesuits has paved the way for much of present day Christian eschatology especially of the role that the Antichrist will play in world events in the Last Days – a damnable โ€œLIEโ€ perpetrated against the Holy Writ – Scriptures which clearly states that the โ€œspiritโ€ of Antichrist has always been in the world and Paul acknowledges that the โ€œman of sinโ€ would be revealed in the Apocalyptic discourse.

So Jesuit Futurism swept 1,500 years of prophetic history under the proverbial carpet by inserting its infamous โ€œGAPโ€ theory โ€“ a heresy which teaches that when Rome fell, prophecy stopped, only to continue again right around the time of the Rapture, thus the โ€œgapโ€ was created. The ten horns, the little horn, the Beast, and the Antichrist have nothing to do with Christians until this โ€œlast-day Antichristโ€ should appear. According to this viewpoint, there were no prophecies being fulfilled during the 1260 years of the Dark Ages!

However, it was during the 19th century that this Jesuit form of theology took on a spurious global dimension where the likes of Dr. Samuel Roffey Maitland (1792-1866), a lawyer and Bible scholar, became a librarian to the Archbishop of Canterbury and found Ribera doctrines and began to widely publish and advocate these deceptive teachings.

After Dr. Maitland came James H. Todd, a professor of Hebrew at the University of Dublin. Todd accepted the futuristic ideas of Maitland, publishing his own supportive pamphlets and books. Then came John Henry Newman (1801-1890), a member of the Church of England and a leader of the famous Oxford Movement (1833-1845). Newman soon became a full Roman Catholic, and later even a highly honored Cardinal. Then came the much-respected Scottish Presbyterian minister, Edward Irving (1792-1834), the acknowledged forerunner of both the Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements. When Irving turned to the prophecies, he eventually accepted the one-man Antichrist idea of Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera, yet he went a step further. Somewhere around 1830, Edward Irving began to teach the unique idea of a two-phase return of Christ, the first phase being a โ€œSECRET RAPTUREโ€ prior to the rise of the Antichrist.

Then came John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) – a brilliant lawyer, pastor, and theologian, who wrote more than 53 books on Bible subjects and is credited as the father of Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is the theory that God deals with mankind in major dispensations or periods. Darbyโ€™s contribution to the development of evangelical theology has been so great that he like Edward Irving also became a strong promoter of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture followed by a one-man Antichrist. In fact, this teaching has become a hallmark of Dispensationalism. John Nelson Darby laid much of the foundation for the present popular removal of Danielโ€™s 70th week away from history and from Jesus Christ in favor of applying it to a future Tribulation after the Rapture.

The greatest of all these Jesuits subliminal adherents was Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921), a Kansas lawyer who was greatly influenced by the writings of Darby. In 1909, Scofield published the first edition of his famous Scofield Reference Bible. In the early 1900s, this Bible became so popular in American Protestant Bible schools that it was necessary to print literally millions of copies. This was the beginning of the end of American Protestant Christianity and a proper exegetical understanding of prophecy and the Scripture.

The Moody Bible Institute and the Dallas Theological Seminary have strongly supported the teachings of John Nelson Darby, and this has continued to fuel Futurismโ€™s growth. Then in the 1970s, Pastor Hal Lindsey, a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary, released his blockbuster book The Late Great Planet Earth. This 177-page, easy-to-read volume brought Futurism to the masses of American Christianity, and beyond. 30 million copies later and in over 30 languages. Through The Late Great Planet Earth, Jesuit Futurism took a strong hold over the Protestant Christian world.

So in the 1990s, Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins took the future one-man Antichrist idea of Scofield, Darby, Irving, Newman, Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera, and turned it into Blockbuster books and movies like Left Behind produced by Jack Van Impe, Peter and Paul Lalonde, and John Hagee. This has been the direction of American Protestant theology which has been pervasive across the globe for the last 30 years.

โ€œThe proper eschatological term for the view most widely taught today is futurism which fuels the confusion of Dispensationalism. The futuristic school of Bible prophecy came from the Roman Catholic Church, specifically her Jesuit theologians.โ€

Who has the right theologyโ€”those who were burned at the stake for Jesus Christ, or those who lit the fires? Who has the true Bible doctrineโ€”the martyrs or their persecutors? Who has the correct interpretation of the Antichristโ€”those who died trusting in the blood of Christ, or those who shed the blood of Godโ€™s dear saints? This is the real issue today in Christianityโ€ฆ

You be the judge!

(Much thanks to my friend Pastor Steve for his wonderful insightful knowledge and his literary references, contributions and wisdom).

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209 responses to “The Subliminal Deception Within Modern Christianity:- The Teachings Of Jesuit Theology And Its Influence Upon Bible Prophecy”


  1. @Dictionary

    Surely you know that presentation by Powell to the UN Assembly has been condemned as a 10 year old MBA dissertation?


  2. PPPS: Found the “prophecy,” as attributed to St Malachy, and claimed to be hidden in the Vatican’s archives for 400 years. Catholic Enc online:

    The last of these prophecies concerns the end of the world and is as follows: “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End.” It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy’s list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivรฆ. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before “Peter the Roman”. Cornelius a Lapide refers to this prophecy in his commentary “On the Gospel of St. John” (C. xvi) and “On the Apocalypse” (cc. xvii-xx), and he endeavours to calculate according to it the remaining years of time.

    Cf discussion of the last ten popes, according to one view, here. Left Behind, of course (and as the Wiki article notes), gives it an inversion; the last pope being the ultimate antipope. [This raises the theme of “almost prophecies” that draw striking attention .]

    P4S: Also above it was Georgetown U that I meant.


  3. David:

    Take time to actually look at it again; instead of following the spin put on it.

    D


  4. @Terence,

    “For anyone to deny ( and I AM SPEAKING TO THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST) that we’re fast approaching the unification of Church, State & Economics is frankly a stranger to the truth and clearly chooses to walk in darkness.”

    “So we can hoop, holla’ and dribble on with ideological arguments, our academic prowess and the rest of it, but the PLAIN TRUTH* is we are in for the ride of our lives and we are cluless as to what is about to hit us.”

    Terence, why don’t you just SPELL out for us, your version of the PLAIN TRUTH* let the ‘cat’ out the bag, and stop beating around the bush, as GP, Dictionary and me, have a pretty good grasp of End-Time prophecy, get the ‘…dribble (and) our ideological arguments…[etc] out of the path of ‘…the PLAIN TRUTH* so we ALL can be enlightened…with the end-time Remnant ideology of your camp of scholars!!!


  5. methinks arguing with the blessed trinity is like pissing in the wind


  6. David:

    Take time to actually look at it again; instead of following the spin put on it.

    D

    Today was bitterly cold but I am sure my memory wasn’t frozen in time.
    When this speech was made (correct me if I am wrong) it was accepted as the main reason for war.
    The ‘spin’ came after there was no WMDs to be found and the slogan on the aircraft carrier ‘Mission Accomplished’ turned out to be more like ‘Mission Beginning’.
    This said speech, convinced the ‘Coalition of the Willing’ to go to war.
    Now..knowing what the world now knows about the WMDs (that they were NONE to be found), how then, can anyone with an ounce of common sense, go back and read this ‘speech’ and come away with any other opinion other than what is the general consensus?
    Please..some learned one….somebody ….anybody help me to understand ..how to unring a bell.
    As my good friend Smokey Burke would say…’I might be wrong and I usually am’.


  7. The Vatican is the center of a never ending web of conspiracy. It’s working day and night to bring the world to the feet of the Roman pontiff.

    The Vatican octopus has tentacles reaching into almost every government circle on earth.

    When the Red Chinese needed the off-shore oil drilling expertise of the United States (no other country possesses it) a bargain was struck so that the Jesuits were once again allowed into China.

    Surely such a move is almost incredible when viewed in the light of the fact that America is still an overwhelmingly Protestant nation at least in the numerical make-up of her population.

    So today, every country on the earth, including postmodern Islamic societies have been planted with Jesuits whose sole bidding is to undermine the structural political, religious and socioeconomic integrity of those nations, so as to bring them into subservience to the rule of Vatican authority…


  8. @ TMB…

    Continue..please.


  9. Catholic scholar Dr. Malachi Martin, formerly a Jesuit professor at Georgetown University and a confidant of Vatican insiders, flatly declared in a recent New York City interview: “Yes, it’s true. Lucifer is enthroned in the Catholic Church.”

    Martin was also interviewed by The Fatima Crusader, a well-known Catholic publication. He again repeated his allegations, and expressed his dismay and distress that the Catholic institution of which has been a part has grown so decadent and morally reprobate since the Vatican II conference of the 60’s.

    The contention that there are Satanists in Rome is “completely correct” said Martin, adding:

    “Anybody who is acquainted with the state of affairs in the Vatican in the last 35 years is well aware that the Prince of Darkness has and still has his surrogates in the court of St. Peter in Rome.”

    Respected Archbishop, Emmanuel Milingo, solemnly affirm that members of the Catholic Church hierarchy are secretly involved in the darkest kinds of formal Satan worship.

    Archbishop Milingo, an exorcist, is author of a bestselling book exposing the occult, Face to Face With the Devil.

    In his speech, Milingo called Satan worship the “Third dimension of Evil,” and explained:

    “Now, the third dimension (of evil) is the most dangerous. It is subtle and the most terrible–.I could not believe when I discovered this third dimension of evil. The third dimension is people who follow instructions in Satanic sects… Now with this third dimension, I’m sorry to say, our church belongs to it. I’m very sorry, I could not understand myself, and even now I don’t understand. But the only consolation I have is that, well, Judas Iscariot was one. Together with Jesus three years, he never changed. Then I understand that the third dimension of evil existed not only now, but it existed even then. Because nothing could change the heart of Judas Iscariot – nothing.


  10. Don’t mean to be a sceptic TB but if the information is so freely available which exposes the demons lurking within the Catholic Church, why the conspiracy to TODAY?


  11. BU asked

    Is it possible that the Anglican Bishop John Holder might see the cause of pushing a national agenda for honesty and selflessness as a #1 priority.

    Is this the role of the Anglican church or any church per se? Is this not also a job for the homes, the school etc as it formerly was?

    I cant speak of the Bishopโ€™s academics or what being academically equipped to lead the Anglican Church means, and having ceased being an Anglican for over 40years, I know very little about how Anglicans practice their faith can help wider society today. We know that for centuries there was an Evangelical Wing of the Anglican Church (though that never seemed to come to Barbados) that teaches and preaches the Gospel message— I donโ€™t mean reading Collects and passages from the Epistles and Gospels, reciting the model prayer and the apostleโ€™s or Nicene creeds or learning the Catechism or pointing chants. These have a place no doubt, and might have had an influence in yesteryear.

    However, with the disestablishment of the Anglican Church in 1969 and the ascendency and growth of certain evangelical assemblies, who have been aggressive on radio television etc, and the ready accessible televangelist, the Anglican Church has lost its way.

    I reveled in the church in my teens but learned little. I still enjoy the lovely hymn tunes, and I still glory in listening to Kingโ€™s College Choir pointing a psalm in the CD from their record of 1966 called Psalms of David.


  12. Green Monkey // December 14, 2009 at 9:30 PM asked
    โ€œAm I the only one that thinks God must have a real cruel and sadistic streak for creating a system that says if you donโ€™t believe the right way, you are going to burn alive in hell for eternityโ€

    Sort of similar to the system where if you disobeyed your momma or the school master or the law, you get punished ! Ssometimes you have done nothing wrongโ€”and you still get punished! Ah lie?

    โ€œand then at the same time make it so damn easy for the tricksters like the Jesuits, Jehovah Witness, Mormons (or pick your own favourite โ€œfalseโ€ religion here) to deceive millions (trying their best to only do what their finite minds and understanding tell them God wants them to do) into believing the wrong way thereby consigning themselves to the eternal flames of hell.โ€

    God promises to punish tricksters who deceive millions too- and severely. Check 2 Peter 2 & Jude.
    You are not to TRY YOUR BEST TO DO ANYTHING that your finite mind and understanding tells you to do! You are to do what God in his Word tells you to do! Not the preacher, not the pastor not anyone, especially if it does not line up with what the Word teaches.

    Bush Tea // December 14, 2009 at 10:33 PM responded in part
    โ€œThat is the exact conclusion that any sane, intelligent person would come to โ€“ if they depended on the likes of GP, Dictionary, Zoe and Terence (or any highly educated preacher) to explain the mysteries of God.โ€

    I gather that this means that you are to listen to dumb preachers not highly educated ones. High education now disqualifies any one from teaching the Word!

    I have repeatedly on BU told folk to search the scriptures YOURSELVES to see if what I or any preacher whether highly educated or not says is correct.


  13. zion1971 // December 15, 2009 at 7:05 AM asked โ€œWhy should a GOD want me to be forever damned with Lucifer simply because I refused to believe.โ€
    Check this out, I didnot have a choice wether I want to come into this world and if I did and knowing what I know now about the human race I would certainly take a pass on that one.

    Actually he doesnโ€™t!

    Check 2 Peter 3:9
    The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
    It is true that you did not have a choice whether you wanted to come into this world but you DO HAVE A CHOICE have a choice if you want to go into Godโ€™s heaven!


  14. The Vatican has been in bed for hundred of years with the Knights Templars and today the evolution into Freemasonry is a shadowy world where
    Satan worship apparently has mushroomed in recent years as Catholic Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests have joined Masonic Lodges across Europe, America, Africa, Asia and throughout the known developed world in record numbers.

    Until the papacy of Pope John Paul II, membership by Catholics in any kind of Masonic order was an excommunicable offense, yet however, Jesuits have run Freemasonry since the days of Albert Pike.

    Now, however, it is commonplace even amongst nominal Catholics.

    Indeed, in 1980, New York’s Terrance Cooke, one of America’s most powerful Catholic Cardinals, addressed a gathering of 3,000 Masons. Cardinal Cooke electrified the assemblage when he said that, as friends, Masons and Catholics should recognize each other.

    Refraining from mentioning the name of Jesus – the name despised by many Masons and prohibited inside their Lodges – Cardinal Cooke bowed to Masonry’s worst heresy by remarking:

    “I know of your firm belief in the Supreme Being, the Great Architect of the Universe, and of the holy writings appropriate to the religion of your members, and I salute you for your loyalty to these ancient values.”

    Cardinal Cooke’s words were obviously well chosen and imbued with hidden meaning and subliminal overtones.

    In fact, the Masonic Lodge’s “Supreme Architect of the Universe” is none other than Lucifer, who cloaks himself in Masonic literature with the names of such deities as Zoroaster, Shiva, Abaddon, Appollyon and in other Masonic pagan-god disguises.

    As for the so-called “holy writings” of Freemasonry, these have their origins in the Roman mystery religions, in 19th century Occultism, and in Egyptology/Babylonianism.

    Such are the “ancient values” of the Satanic Masonic Lodge…


  15. If one has one’s head buried in the book or in the establishment that was given to them by the illusionists, then the deception will appear subliminal. But if one steps back from all the trappings, then it will be crystal clear.

    The IMF and global finance are controlled by the Jesuits who control the Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus and Opus Dei and many other secret societies out there. But they are by far at the top of the game. They along with Rothschild perpetrated the French Revolution.

    These ASSASSINS are in the business of deceit, destruction and death.

    Makes me wonder why Jesus would want a Secret Society! Or better yet Who is this Jesus?


  16. @GP

    THe Church is a key stakeholder/NGO which makes up civil society. In this context a leadership role is expected. Arch Bishop Holder leads what historically has been the dominant and most influential part of the Church in Barbados; not the case some would argue in recent times but the influence of the Anglican Church extends to the other religions BU would add.

    On the point of disestablishment it makes you wonder why ecclesiastical affairs is still a duty of a minister.


  17. zion1971 // December 15, 2009 at 7:54 AM wrote
    Religion wether organised or disorganised is a social construct to explain the unexplain of the physical world.And this construct is brought about by an inherent biological impulse of wanting toโ€ believe in somethingโ€. Not many of us are able to escape this social schackle. At best most become blind followers and at worst others become slaves/fundamentalists.
    The question is, what good deeds have religion done for the world lately? If the present state of the human condition is by any means of judging our virtures that is buttressed by our religious beliefs โ€“ then our religosity have been weighed in the balance and have been found wanting.
    I always believe with our deep flaws it was a great sin to bring the human race into existence.

    Working backwards on your statements Zion
    When men were created he was not a sinner, so it could not have been either a great or minor sin to bring the human race into existence. Do you see what I mean? Read Genesis 3: 6 on wards to see when and how sin entered, and its consequences in verses 14-19.

    Your question what good deeds have โ€œreligionโ€ done for the world lately is not a fair one, as many โ€œreligionsโ€ including โ€œChristianity with its diverse denominationsโ€ are all doing some good everday. Donโ€™t be blind, man. Even the RCโ€™s do good. The SDAโ€™s are at the forefront with their schools and hospitals worldwide, man. Ah lie?
    You are very correct Sir! our religosity have been weighed in the balance and have been found wanting. Thatโ€™s exactly what the Scripture says in several places! You see men donโ€™t want religion. All religion is by nature and definition a route to appease a god of manโ€™s choosing. MEN NEED A RELATIONSHIP WITH JESIS CHRIST, my friend!

    Re At best most become blind followers and at worst others become slaves /fundamentalists.

    This is false! Fundamentalists are not slaves at all (although they ought to be if you follow Paulโ€™s teachings. Actually most believers who are fundamentalists are wishy washy, or else they would be shaking the world up as the early church did!

    And FYI a fundamentalist is a believer in Christ who believes in the fundamentals of the Christian faith (note NOT religion) as set out in the Scriptures.


  18. We must remember, however, that Satanism is not only practiced by the Jesuit Catholic clergy but this wickedness is found in some of today’s Protestant Churches – Methodist and Charismatic churches, and especially in Episcopal and Anglican churches.

    Some years ago, the Mormon Church hierarchy even went public, admitting that Satanic rituals had been secretly conducted by respected church Elders.

    Meanwhile, right in Barbados and across the Caribbean members of the Masonic Lodges, including Pastors and denominational leaders and those within the hierarchy of Protestant theology – men who continue to dominate the Southern Baptist Convention in the Unites States, Episcopalians, Evangelicals of every genre.

    Contrary to what some believe, the DEVIL* is not a “Catholic.”

    Indeed, he is remarkably tolerant of all false religion, and he is known to be pleasingly nondenominational in his approach to religion.

    Satan is proud to be an “Ecumenical Being”.

    “Any faith but Jesus and His Pure, unadulterated Word – THE HOLY BIBLE,” is the devil’s handy motto.


  19. And to all those Anglicans who feel some special sense of superiority, don’t forget that your values were handed down by King fatso, guillotine Henry who wanted to divorce and remarry but couldn’t do so as a Catholic, so he split away from Catholicism and went started his own Church, the Anglican Church. So there….you have a clean moral, righteous, foundation.


  20. @ Technician

    The Bat signal up and working and I come out to bat for the bat cave men OK?

    @ Anonymous(2) // December 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM said
    Religion is bare boo. Those who โ€œbelieveโ€ do so because they are brainwashed by being raised in homes by other brainwashed. Here is something I want all the bare boo people to think about. Millions of non-believers inhabit the planet and lead happy and successful lives. The devil has not visited them once.

    1- I have defined religion above. You can call it boo if you like.
    2 There are many who โ€œbelieveโ€ that were never raised up in homes where the members went to church or even owned a Bible
    3 It is true that there are millions of non-believers inhabiting the planet and lead happy and successful lives and that the devil has not visited them once. Why should he? He has them fooled, and totally in his grasp. He tends to target believers. .

    4 There is a fallacy that true believers can not be happy! You should see happy believers even under intense suffering! You see the JOY OF THE LORD IS THEIR STRENGTH.

    BTW there are millions of BELIEVERS inhabiting the planet who lead happy and successful lives DESPITE SEVERAL VISITS FROM THE DEVIL! Jesus taught believers to expect him. You can read about such visits to believers all through the Acts and the Pauline Epistles, and James 1:12-14 . Also in books like Foxโ€™s Book of Martyrs, or the Trail of Blood!

    He often visits on BU too , when believers try to present the Word!

    @ V O Reason // December 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM
    RE The paradox that one religion is better than the other has been battered from day one.
    I find peace in ignoring โ€œformal religionโ€, and believe me, Iโ€™m happier without it!!!!!!

    So am I So do I . I threw away religion since 1968 and embraced Christ as my Savior!


  21. The revelations of DEVIL worship inside churches which claim to be Protestant “Christian” should not surprise any of us.

    Thus power of Bible prophecy is thereby made manifest.

    The books of Daniel and Revelation describe the Antichrist as a man who appears as a lamb but has horns. He ordains amongst his flock men and women who are unrepentant murderers, liars, fornicators, homosexuals, pedophiles and adulterers.

    Daniel says that SATAN’s Antichrist shall speak “dark sentences – (dark sayings)” and shall worship a “god” his fathers knew not.

    Thus we understand why Satanic worship is so fervently and irreverently practiced in the very seat of Rome – inside the profane Vatican temple the popes built, the temple known as St. Peter’s Cathedral, which has the Egyptian sun god obelisk on display in its front courtyard.

    Yes, the Mark of the Beast is in its ascendancy and is rising fast.

    The Pope, his Vatican, and its hierarchy of Jesuits priests and assassins are preparing the portal for the corrupt Beast.

    All those who worship the BEAST* or the Image of the Beast and receive the MARK* SHALL drink of the wine of the wrath of God poured out without mixture…

    They, as well as their non-Catholic helpers, are opening a creaking doorway into the abyss – a black hole into the Ultimate Evil.


  22. In 1992/1993, JESUITS* Charles (CHUCK) Colson and Richard John Neuhaus organized a joint project of the organizations they had founded, Prison Fellowship (founded in 1976, it had a budget of $38 million in 1997 – wonder where that stash* came from?) and the Institute on Religion and Public Life (founded in 1989, it had a budget of $1.6 million in 1996).

    This “joint project” (the words are Neuhaus’) invited both Roman Catholic and Evangelical theologians to participate in drafting a document published on March 29, 1994, under the title:-

    “Evangelicals and Catholics Together.”

    “Evangelicals and Catholics Together” was an attack on the importance of Christian theology in general and the doctrine of justification by faith alone in particular, in favor of creating a united religious front for political and social action against secular humanism (a disguise to mask the true intent).

    The Colson-Neuhaus attack on the doctrine of justification by faith (an age-old Jesuit strategy) was so obvious that many leading Evangelical churchmen such as D. James Kennedy, John MacArthur, and R. C. Sproul โ€” rejected it openly.

    The Trinity Foundation’s response to “Evangelicals and Catholics Together” was to publish two books on justification:-

    Charles Hodge’s “Justification by Faith Alone” and Horatius Bonar’s “The Everlasting Righteousness”.

    Despite criticism from leaders such as Kennedy, Sproul, and MacArthur, the Colson-Neuhaus Group did not dissolve; instead, they renewed their efforts, meeting twice a year, burning up the fax and telephone lines between meetings, and continued to work quietly until November 1997.

    On November 12, they released a new document called “The Gift of Salvation.”

    This document, unlike “Evangelicals and Catholics Together,” is entirely theological in content; it is not characterized by expressions of concern about social and political action; it is designed, not to effect a political alliance, but to create a theological, and eventually an ecclesiastical, union (under the aegis of the Catholic church).

    This is the currency of Jesuit infiltration and is merely a drop in the bucket of the lengths to which this subterfuge has permeated Protestant churches and their theology….


  23. Finally and most interesting is the story of SIR ISAAC NEWTON – a man who some feel is one of the greatest minds to walk the earth (according to the History Channel)…

    Born on Christmas day in 1642, the same year that the tragic figure Galileo died, Newton discovered the binomial theorem, the method of fluxions (calculus), the law of gravitation and the composite nature of light – all before the age of 30.

    The foundations of modern astronomy and physics are still largely based on theories Newton first presented more than 300 years ago.

    A genius (no doubt) of unparalleled proportions whose obsession with the unlocking of BIBLE Code* through the study of Daniel & The Revelation led some to believe that genius eventually morphed into madness.

    Sir Isaac Newton was however a key figure in the โ€œinventionโ€ of Freemasonry, a fraternal order of scientists and philosophers that sought to move England beyond the civil wars generated by its religious conflicts to a society with scientific progress as its foundation.

    This book – Isaac Newton’s Freemasonry: The Alchemy of Science and Mysticism reveals Newtonโ€™s role in 17th-century Freemasonry and opens unexplored trails into the history of the order in Europe.

    Though a humble and reclusive figure, Isaac Newton was obsessed with the study of the Bible daily and believed that God created everything, including the Bible.

    He believed that the Bible was true in every respect.

    Throughout his life he continually tested Biblical truth against the physical truths of experimental and theoretical science and never observed a contradiction, according to his many biographers.

    Newton’s writings reflected his belief that his scientific work was a method by which to reinforce belief in Biblical truth but the conflicts of trying to unravel Bible Code, the fascination with sacred geometry and the pull of other insidious doctrines drove Newton to the precipice of lunacy.

    After he completed his monumental Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica, he began to devote more and more of his time to researching the Bible, eventually writing a book he believed unlocked the prophecies contained in Daniel and Revelation, two Bible books he viewed as intertwined and which was his obsession to try to figure a date for the Apocalypse โ€“ (in 2060).

    At Newton death, the body of his literary work was lost for 300 years ( or so we are led to believe – but the truth is out there) – to suddenly re-emerge at Sotheby’s Auctioneers in London where one part of his major work was purchased by Jesuit & economist John Maynard Keynes (who is credited for the fragile current world economic system theory), bought many of the most historically important lots out of his own pocket, and later left some of them to Kingโ€™s College, Cambridge amongst others he had found in the University archives.

    The other mysterious buyer – a Jewish Jesuit academic Abraham Yehuda left the other portion of Newtonโ€™s collection in the Jewish National Library in Jerusalem as the startling manifestations of his work set in motion the ultimate setting up of the state of Israel by the ROTHSCHILDS* and the preparations for a future where Jerusalem would become the seat where the Antichrist will try to rule from; Armageddon will be fought and the โ€œKingdom of Heavenโ€ (all miscategorizations of Biblical prophecy based on the futurology of Godโ€™s timeline).

    Newton’s Effect is still felt 100’s of years later in The London Psychogeographical Association which is described by Wikipedia as โ€œa largely fictitious organizationโ€ (HA’).

    Its work, which has been praised by Iain Sinclair, consists largely of grandiose proclamations and calls for geo-psychic revolution stated as follows:

    โ€œThe integration of non-Euclidean psycho-social space into a post-Newtonian mechanics is faced by the emergence of an anti-Euclidean opposition which will rekindle the fires of revolt with the matchsticks of metaphor. By drawing upon ancient song-lines which reassert themselves within the modern urban environment, psychogeography as the practical application of anti-Euclidean psycho-sacred-geometry offers the third pole in the triolectic between the false universalism of modernism and the universal virtuality of post-modernism.โ€ (St Paul’s Cathedral Signs and Symbols: Spotter’s Sheet )

    Dan Brown should have spent more time in London instead of Washington DC for his book – overlooking the fact that the hubris of Freemasonry, Jesuitism and Cabalalism found its greatest resonance in London, England…


  24. TB:

    You are labelling a lot of people as “Jesuits” without substantiating, and are making a lot of broader allegations without facts.

    I ask you to glance above, where you will see where I do point to certain key facts on that old rapist of Africa, Cecil Rhodes of Rhodesia and De Beers [the diamonds company . . . ) infamy and Rhodes Scholarship fame, and remark broadly on the implications of late C19 “progressive” British Imperialism morphing into modern-day internationalism. Something which, in the Caribbean, generally passes without suspicion. (The UN etc as potential or actual sources of danger to us and our liberty? Perish the thought . . . )

    And BTW, a certain half-English, half-American statesman, Sir Winston Churchill, played a key role in much of that transition and transformation. [I suspect there will be some interesting hints in his History of the English Speaking Peoples, but so far I have only run across an early volume.) And, the actual permanent conference structure of the UN traces to South African Premier and former Boer general Smuts’ suggestion to Churchill et al on how Wilson’s league of nations could be fleshed out. In short,t here are a lot of dots to be connected. And, while the Catholics and the Jesuits have their fair share of sins, an overly tight focus on this institution may distract us from much broader issues, trends and factors.)

    As to Newton, Keynes — who so far as I could see was no Jesuit! [A public school homosexual who simply decided enough was enough and stopped . . . ] — aptly described him as more of the last of the Magi of old than the first modern scientist. though of course, he was indeed the greatest modern scientist. He spent decades on alchemy, and in latter years wrote huge volumes of peculation on apocalyptic biblical literature, in a confused mess that traced to all these strands of influence. I do not know about lodge involvement for him, but that would not be surprising given his occultic leanings.

    to getr a measure of just how strange a bird he was, he was once in his digs working when a friend came in and saw dinner on the sideboard, then decided to play the trick of eating it. he then went back out and called for Newton. Coming to the door, Newton passed the dinner and said that he thought he had not eaten yet but obviously he had. It is said that on his deathbed, at 84, he declared his greatest achievement to be that he was dying a virgin.

    Yes, there have been some pretty odd birds out there in our history.

    D

    PS: Technician, even if there were no WMDs to be found, the open, consistent violation of the armistice terms and associated corruption of the international order were plainly warrant enough for the allies to re-open major hostilities. In fact, the evidence — as opposed to the spin — points to the creation of the systems of WMD rearmament and key designs, materials and equipment to carry it out [e.g. recall the military protected “insecticide” factories and storage depots (insecticides and nerve gases being in effect the same thing in different guises) and the 500 tons of Uranium Yellowcake (how th UN allowed this to sit there on site at Tuwaitha is beyond my understanding . . . ), the ballistic missile designs, the biowar research facilities and ease with which say a beer brewery is converted into a biowar plant, etc? Plus, the transcript shows responsible Iraqi officials systematically hiding something from UN WMD inspectors — just what was that they were hiding? THE BURDEN OF PROOF, CONTRARY TO THE MEDIA SPIN, LAY ON IRAQ, NOT THE ALLIES), coupled to slipping incriminating evidence across the border into Syria in the six months of debate in the UN. Note also the subsequent knocking out of the offshore Iraq nuke programme in Libya, and the knocking out of the Syrian nuke programme next door. Syria FYI is the other main Arab National Socialist state — what Ba’ath party means.


  25. @ Anyone..

    What does innocent until proven guilty means?

    On whom does the burden of proof lies? The accused or the accuser?
    Can someone help me to understand?


  26. PS: Technician, even if there were no WMDs to be found, the open, consistent violation of the armistice terms and associated corruption of the international order were plainly warrant enough for the allies to re-open major hostilities.

    Yet still (and this is not a strawman soaked in anything) we have a State that spits in the face of the UN , refuses to allow inspections of their own sites and ignores UN resolutions with impunity. This same state, even after these violations is given billions in monetary and technological aid to further strengthen their already nuclear arsenal.
    Going by the accusations in the above post, one can easily say this is hypocrisy and double standards in full effect.
    Keep on trying to unring the bell and defend the indefensible.


  27. @Terence, Dec 19, 09 @ 12:35 AM, Your general reference to Roman Catholicism, I could not agree more with.

    Roman Catholicism IS the most evil, wicked, tyrannical religious/political institution EVER to exist on earth.

    Sir. George Sinclair cound not have put it more succinctly:

    “Romanism IS A REFINED system of Christianized Heathenism, and chiefly differs from its prototype in being more TREACHEROUS, more CRUEL, more DANGEROUS, more INTOLERANT.” emphasis added.

    “CROSS OF SALEM. Called also the Pontifical Cross, because it is borne before the Pope. It is a cross, the up-right piece being crossed by three lines, the upper and lower shorter than the middle one. It is the insignia of the Grand Master and Past Grand Master of the Grand Encampment of Knights Templar of the United States. The same Cross placed on a slant is the insignia of the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.” (Ref. AN ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FREEMASONRY, by Albert G. Mackey, M.D., 33 degree Mason, 1921, Revised Edition, published by the Masonic History Company, New York) Preface The Twin Pincers, Masonary and Catholicism, by one, in the service of Jesus Christ.

    While all of this intriguing historical connection between the Vatican and Freemasonary, and other sinister organizations, is true, you only started to reveal and hint* at what I know to be your real agenda in all of this meandering, so…let us get the bottom of what you really want to say, i.e.,:

    “Yes, the Mark of the Beast is in its ascendancy and is rising fast.”

    “The Pope, his Vatican, and its hierarchy of Jesuit priests and assissins are preparing the portal for the corrupt Beast.

    “All those who worship the BEAST* or the image of the Beast and recive the MARK* SHALL drink of the wine of the wrath of God poured out without mixture.”

    “They, as well as their non-Catholic helpers, are opening a creaking doorway into the abyss – a bleak hole into the ultimate Evil.”

    Terence, as a devout Seventh-day-Adventist, let us get to the ‘crux’ of what your ARE driving at! Seventh-day Adventism, believe they ARE the true End-Time ‘remnant’ church, and that only those who ‘keep’ the Sabbath, are obeying God’s fourth Commandment from the Decalogue; that those who honour and worship the Lord on *Sunday* essentially observing the Mark of the Beast, still to be officially imposed* through the so-called Blue Law, that will come into full force when that man of Sin, the Antichrist, takes control through the One World Government.

    “The sign, or seal, of God is revealed in the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath, the Lord’s memorial of creation. ‘The Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of *Israel*, saying, Verily, My Sabbaths ye shall keep; for it is a sign between Me and you (*ISRAEL*) througout your (*ISRAEL) generations; that ye (*ISRAEL*) may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you (*ISRAEL*)’ (Exodus 31: 12,13. Here the Sabbath is clearly designated as a sign between God and His people (*ISRAEL*). The mark of the beast is the opposite – the observance of the first* day of the week (Sunday). This mark distinguishes those who acknowledge the supremacy of Papal authority from those who acknowledge the authority of God.” (Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 8, p.117. Author’s note: Ellen G. White is considered by Seventha-day Adventists to have manifested the thrue gift of prophecy. She is seen as a “messenger of God,’ and ‘…her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth…’ ‘The Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists, No. 17, The Gift of Prophecy.’ ( Sabbath in CRISIS, Dale Ratzlaff, p.18) emphasis added.

    BTW, Dale Ratzlaff, M.Div., was a fourth generation Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) and was educated in SDA schools from first grade through seminary. He taught Bible at a SDA high school for seven years and pastoed two SDA churches.

    So, Terence, I challenge you to let us get with what you are *driving* at, that is, that all of us in the Protestant world, who worship God on Sunday, are partaking in the *mark* of the Beast, yet to be fully IMPOSED by Law, under the Antichrist, and that, ONLY those Sabbatarians, SDA et al, of this ilk, are truly worshipping God correctly, right!!!

    Come on Terence, let us get on with this debate, I am ready…if you don’t fully declare you hand on this issue, I will do what I have to to expose the erroneous hermeneutics of SDA, on this and other heretical doctrines that permeate Seventh-day Adventism!


  28. Terrence
    Here is my response to your opening salvo.

    Whereas you have said much about the RC institution and its evils, I agree with Dictionary that you have labelled many as Jesuits that are not at all Jesuits.

    Re 1 Modern Christianity has largely forgotten the importance of the Protestant Reformation of the 1500โ€™s. Moreover, its resemblance to the church set up by Christ at His ascension pales in comparison today for what passes off as the Christian faith.

    Why should the contemporary church look back at the Protestant Reformation of the 1500โ€™s.
    The contemporary church and the church of all ages was never asked to look at the Protestant Reformation Sir. The church is instructed now, as ever to look Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. And to consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. (Hebrew 12:2&3)

    Re 1 After 1260 years of papal oppression, the church awoke after a deep, dense, dark night of sleep to realize that superstition was rife and the witness for Biblical truth that was slain and martyred was left for dead, lying in the streets in an age of reason โ€“ a Renaissance bolstered by a move away from feudalism to modernity. But the dawn of the light of the Reformation meant that the opening of prophetic revelation (once sealed up) had finally been opened.

    If you read the Trail of Blood or the Faithfull Baptist Witness you will find that God had during this time, as he always does a FAITHFUL REMNANT. The prophetic revelation had never been sealed up, it was suppressed just as in the days of Ahab, but never sealed up Sir!

    3 RE On the scene of action came Martin Luther.
    What about Zwingli and the others? John Hus, Tyndale, Wyclifs etc? The Reformation was not accomplished by Luther alone. And Luther only brought things back slightly- the reformation never went al the way to the BIBLIO SOLO that Martin Luther harped about.

    4- RE It has been said that the Reformation first discovered Jesus Christ, and then, in the blazing light of Christ, it discovered the Antichrist. This mighty, Spirit-filled movement, for Christ and against the Antichrist, shook the world.

    Luther discovered Christ! The spirit of antichrist was always around- even in the days of the early church as clearly taught by John in first John. The notion of the antichrist was also clearly taught by Paul I 2 Thessalonians chapter 2

    5 RE Luther never felt strong and free to war against the Papal apostasy till he recognized the pope as Antichrist. The pope might have been anti (against) Christ was he was not the Antichrist.

    6- Re โ€œIn the reaction that followed, all the powers of hell seemed to be let loose upon the adherents of the Reformation. War followed war: tortures, burnings, and massacres were multiplied.โ€

    The same phenomenon occurred in the early church as happened under the Jesuits, and much the same is occurring to the true church in many countries today, even if not by the Jesuits. And soon this phenomenon will be seen in the West including the USA, even if not by the Jesuits.

    7 Re bringing people back to the Mother Church

    the Catholic Church was NEVER EVER THE MOTHER CHURCH. THE TRUE CHURCH EXISTED FOR 300 YEARS PRIOR TO THE Catholic Church

    8 Re According to this viewpoint, there were no prophecies being fulfilled during the 1260 years of the Dark Ages!

    Were there any? Please list them!

    9- Re Then came John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) โ€“ a brilliant lawyer, pastor, and theologian, who wrote more than 53 books on Bible subjects and is credited as the father of Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is the theory that God deals with mankind in major dispensations or periods. Darbyโ€™s contribution to the development of evangelical theology has been so great that he like Edward Irving also became a strong promoter of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture followed by a one-man Antichrist. In fact, this teaching has become a hallmark of Dispensationalism. John Nelson Darby laid much of the foundation for the present popular removal of Danielโ€™s 70th week away from history and from Jesus Christ in favor of applying it to a future Tribulation after the Rapture.

    What is wrong with Darby and Dispensationalism? Do explain Sir?.

    10- Re The greatest of all these Jesuits subliminal adherents was Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921), a Kansas lawyer who was greatly influenced by the writings of Darby. In 1909, Scofield published the first edition of his famous Scofield Reference Bible. In the early 1900s, this Bible became so popular in American Protestant Bible schools that it was necessary to print literally millions of copies. This was the beginning of the end of American Protestant Christianity and a proper exegetical understanding of prophecy and the Scripture.

    Are you crazy? Scofield was a drunking lawyer who converted to Christianity HE WAS NEVER A RC OR A JESUIT!

    11 RE
    The Moody Bible Institute and the Dallas Theological Seminary have strongly supported the teachings of John Nelson Darby, and this has continued to fuel Futurismโ€™s growth. Then in the 1970s, Pastor Hal Lindsey, a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary, released his blockbuster book The Late Great Planet Earth. This 177-page, easy-to-read volume brought Futurism to the masses of American Christianity, and beyond. 30 million copies later and in over 30 languages. Through The Late Great Planet Earth, Jesuit Futurism took a strong hold over the Protestant Christian world.

    The Moody Bible Institute and the Dallas Theological Seminary have been some of the best Theological Seminary anywhere at any time. Some great men taught and still teacg there.

    12- Re So in the 1990s, Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins took the future one-man Antichrist idea of Scofield, Darby, Irving, Newman, Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera, and turned it into Blockbuster books and movies like Left Behind produced by Jack Van Impe, Peter and Paul Lalonde, and John Hagee. This has been the direction of American Protestant theology which has been pervasive across the globe for the last 30 years.

    I donโ€™t know much about Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins Irving, Newman, Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera, or Peter and Paul Lalonde, but Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, and John Hagee are NOT protestants (THEY ARE EVANGELICALS) and THEY ARE AS SOUND AS A BELL WHEN IT COMES TO THE DOCTRINE OF THE SECOND COMING & IN RELATING IT TO ONTEMPORARY EVENTS>

    13 Re โ€œThe proper eschatological term for the view most widely taught today is futurism which fuels the confusion of Dispensationalism.

    There is nothing confusing about Dispensationalism. With out Dispensationalism the WORD would be most confusing. Dispensationalism. Is sound theology, even if you can only see LAW AND GRACE! Start by researching those two. You only need the Pauline epistles.

    14 Re The futuristic school of Bible prophecy came from the Roman Catholic Church, specifically her Jesuit theologians.โ€

    Not so . The RC church has been teaching very little but myths certainly no Bible prophecy. Never heard a RC or Anglican or Methodist or the other protestants groups teaching prophecy ever!

    The real issue today in Christianity is not about who shed the blood of Godโ€™s dear saints, or those who lit the fires when the martyrs were burned at the stake for Jesus Christ, or about who died trusting in the blood of Christ. It is not about the RC church or the Jesuits either.

    The issue in Christianity today, as it was since Pentecost is will you receive Christ as your Savior by grace through faith in the shed blood of Christ, whether you are BLACK WHITE OR YELLOW, whether you are JEW or GENTILE, whether you are BOND or FREE, irregardless to which denomination you adhere to!

    DENOMINATIONS ARE A DASTARDLY TOOL OF THE DEVIL MEANT TO DECIEVE & DIVIDE THE CHURCH!

    Yes some denominations teach error but there are INDIVIDUALS within denominations who have personally trusted in Christ for salvation and NOT in the rituals, of their denomination.

    What Reformation what?!


  29. @ Technician

    Why are you wasting precious energy and good common sense on persons who are lost in the desert and going around in circles?


  30. @ Pat…

    This is where I will stop and get out the snacks…lol

    It looks like we will be having an interesting discussion soon, one I was always curious about, lets see if we can learn something.


  31. It seems to me that on BU, EVERYONE has a right to opine except for those now referred to as from “the bat cave.”

    But that is nothing new believers were first called Christians at Antioch- but in a derogatory sense. They were mocked and scoffed at because they followed the lowly Nazarene.

    Nothing has changed in the last two millenia.


  32. @Georgie Porgie: “It seems to me that on BU, EVERYONE has a right to opine except for those now referred to as from โ€œthe bat cave.โ€

    You misunderstand.

    Everyone, of course, has the right to opine.

    But those who are taken seriously generally answer direct questions directly, rather than simply radiate vast amounts of language (read: lecture) without much information…

    (BTW, it is called Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR), for those in the know….)


  33. @ David // December 18, 2009 at 12:10 AM
    Re
    THe Church is a key stakeholder/NGO which makes up civil society. In this context a leadership role is expected. Arch Bishop Holder leads what historically has been the dominant and most influential part of the Church in Barbados; not the case some would argue in recent times but the influence of the Anglican Church extends to the other religions BU would add.
    On the point of disestablishment it makes you wonder why ecclesiastical affairs is still a duty of a minister.

    I agree with you that the Church whether Anglican, Methodist, Moravian etc is a key stakeholder/NGO which makes up civil society, and in this context a leadership role is expected.

    I donโ€™t really think that the influence of the Anglican Church extends to the other religions or denominations except for the music that some denominations use that was written by the early Anglicans and their Methodists offshoot. Not only are the tunes heavenly, but much of the lyrics are good paraphrases of the Scriptures (c.f Isasac Watts, Charles Wesley especially).

    The Anglican church was disestablished, but perhaps the government thinks that the church as a whole ought to be considered, and hence ecclesiastical affairs being still a duty of a minister.

    But ought we not to expect a diminishing effect of the church in civil society David?
    Jesus him self predicted in his rhetorical question of Luke 18 :8 โ€œwhen the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
    This is a his rhetorical question in the Greek- not so obvious in the KJV.

    So like me, donโ€™t expect much more from the church . Even good Bible teaching churches today are merely good social gatherings.

    Acts 1:42 identifies the five roles of a local church โ€“ and the local church is supposed to be the effective working unit of the church universal- are WORSHIP, MINISTRY (service), EVANGELISM, FELLOWSHIP & DISCIPLESHIP.

    MANY local churches are scarcely doing any of these well, far less all!

    Herein is the problem with the church that you are witnessing today. I hope this adds light on the subject and answer your question.


  34. @ Dr. Georgie Porgie

    You volunteered some information a few days ago. I sent my e-mail and am still waiting. Did you have it at hand, or are you collecting and collating. Thanks in advance. Pat.


  35. T:

    Saddam Hussein was a long since convicted felon, who was trying to escape his sentence and return to his old, murderous ways.

    D


  36. Mr Halshall:

    The evidence is that your side — sadly — has had little substantial to say, apart from sniping and various degrees of slander.

    D


  37. By the way David the present luke warmness of the church everwhere (except the underground church) points to the demise of the church as predicted in Revelation 17.

    Many Bible scholars and expositors teach that the seven churches represent or trace seven periods of the church throughout the course of history, and recognize or associate the contemporary church with the description of the seventh hurch.

    It is thought (and taught) that when the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit in the true church is removed at the rapture of the true church, that there will be a further and rapid further decline in the rest of “Christendom ” that remains- referred to in Revelation 17:5 as ” MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

    The rest of Revelation 17 describes the demise of this entity.


  38. Pat:

    Take a serious look in the mirror.

    This reference may help, as may this. (Or are you of the ilk of the one who boasts of never looking at links from those on the other side of a discussion.)

    G’day

    D


  39. @Dr. Georgie Porgie…

    Let me please ask you again this very simple question which you quoted, but then refused to answer, in another thread here on BU:

    “Statistically, what are the chances that a single male individual will ever produce a sperm cell with the exact same DNA sequence as any other sperm cell that same individual (or any other) ever produced throughout their entire lives?

    [Stage direction: Halsall now faces the audience and says:]

    There is a very particular reason why I ask this particular question.

    And there is also a very particular reason why Dr. GP refuses to….


  40. Hopi
    Whereas your account of the origin of the Anglican Church is true, remember that โ€œKing fatso, guillotine Henry โ€œ was NOT the Anglican Church.

    There were many men in the original Anglican Church; and many since then through the years, who were obviously devout, godly men who believed the Bible, and sought to live by its precepts.

    This was obviously so, as the Wesleyan or Methodist Church was spawned from such a devout Anglican family.

    And it is a fact that many contemporary evangelical denominations emerged from the Evangelical wing of the Methodist Church.

    Chief of these in Barbados is the Wesleyan Holiness church (formerly called Pilgrim Holiness).

    This group is said to be the result of a disagreement between the powerful preacher and personality George Whitfield (who believed what is known as the eternal security of the believer as clearly taught in John 6:37 & John 10:27-30) and John Wesley who thought differently.

    Whereas, I can endorse your opinions stated at December 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM please be informed that the Church of Jesus Christ has never been a Secret Society, even though when persecuted, the true chrch has often been forced to meet in secret, as it is forced to do in many parts of the world today.

    I am sorry to hear that you do not know who Jesus is. But if you would take a half hour daily and read the NT through, with an open mind, I am quite sure that you will without a doubt be enlightenedโ€”as has happened to many who have mocked and scoffed, just as you do!


  41. @ Pat
    Re Pat // December 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

    @ Dr. Georgie Porgie

    You volunteered some information a few days ago. I sent my e-mail and am still waiting. Did you have it at hand, or are you collecting and collating. Thanks in advance. Pat.

    Have not yet recieved your email.

    I will check again, and send promptly.
    Why would I volunteer info, and then have to collect and collate?


  42. Checked again Pat………nothing—- nada — zilch

    It is lswiltshire@hotmail.com Pat.

    first icon is l not 1 – or i (mistakes that some make ) LOL


  43. @ Zoe
    Re
    Zoe // December 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM
    @Terence,
    โ€œFor anyone to deny ( and I AM SPEAKING TO THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST) that weโ€™re fast approaching the unification of Church, State & Economics is frankly a stranger to the truth and clearly chooses to walk in darkness.โ€
    โ€œSo we can hoop, hollaโ€™ and dribble on with ideological arguments, our academic prowess and the rest of it, but the PLAIN TRUTH* is we are in for the ride of our lives and we are cluless as to what is about to hit us.โ€
    Terence, why donโ€™t you just SPELL out for us, your version of the PLAIN TRUTH* let the โ€˜catโ€™ out the bag, and stop beating around the bush, as GP, Dictionary and me, have a pretty good grasp of End-Time prophecy, get the โ€˜โ€ฆdribble (and) our ideological argumentsโ€ฆ[etc] out of the path of โ€˜โ€ฆthe PLAIN TRUTH* so we ALL can be enlightenedโ€ฆwith the end-time Remnant ideology of your camp of scholars!!!

    =====================
    Terrence is a good boy at heart, but some one is leading him astray. He needs to test the spirits as ordered by John in 1 John 4:1-3.

    Why does he not heed the words of John in 1 John 2:26-27?

    Why don’t you do like Appolos did to Acquilla and Priscilla as recorded in Acts 18:26 and take him unto thee “AND EXPOUND UNTO HIM THE WAY OF GOD MORE PERFECTLY?” ………by exegeting or summarizing Revelations 17 & 18 dor those in cyberspace that might be interested.


  44. @ David on December 17, 2009 at 11:54 PM re
    Donโ€™t mean to be a sceptic TB but if the information is so freely available which exposes the demons lurking within the Catholic Church, why the conspiracy to TODAY?

    Answer is simple David. I have explained it in a post above to some extent.
    The Ecumenical Movement of all Ecumenical Movements is upon us, as clearly predicted in Revelation 17. The forces have been gathering for some time now. In the US for example, Lutherans have been reverting to their RC origins.

    It is written in Amos 3:3 How can two walk together unless they are agreed?. So one wonders how denominations who โ€œprotestedโ€ the RC church in the 1500โ€™s are now amalgamating? None of the evangelical groups who came out of โ€œMethodismโ€ in the early 1900โ€™s ever had anything in common with the RC institution, nor does the SDAโ€™s or the JHWโ€™s who essentially emerged from the Baptist church. So what is wrong? How can two walk together unless they are agreed?.

    The answer seems to be given in Revelation 17 & 2 Thessalonians 2, IMHO!


  45. T:

    Saddam Hussein was a long since convicted felon, who was trying to escape his sentence and return to his old, murderous ways.

    D

    Convicted by who?
    In which court?

    Come on man…now this is a stretch even by your standards.


  46. Technician
    Re // December 16, 2009 at 10:36 PM
    Zoeโ€ฆZoeโ€ฆZoeโ€ฆ.Zoeโ€ฆ.OMG!!
    Technician // December 15, 2009 at 11:06 AM
    Holy WordPress!!
    Like moths to the flame !!
    ROFLMAO!!
    that was too easy ๐Ÿ™‚

    Techie, if you donโ€™t behave yourself, I will get โ€œBranโ€ (not sure if that is the write spelling) to go get a bamboo to cut your tail!

    (You remember Bran โ€“ a chap with a funny eye, that was the porter or something so at the old BFS?)

    I see you on Dictionary like policeman boots on corns but his exegesis and explanation from Romans chapters 1 & 2 was a good one, and sound as a bell, man. His statements were true and accorded well with that aught by several renowned Bible scholars man.

    Honestly, I had to give him ALL THE MARKS, according to the Kingo rubric! Honest to God! (as we Bajans say) LOL

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