Barbados Association Of Journalists (BAJ) Resuscitated

Amanda Lynch-Foster, Interim President of BAJ

Amanda Lynch-Foster, Interim President of the BAJ

It is no secret that BU has flogged our media houses (Fourth Estate) with impunity in recent months. Part of our criticism would have been leveled at the non-functioning Barbados Assocoation of Journalists (BAJ). In other words we have had the ridiculous situation of our journalists not being represented by a functioning body while our wayside vendors have expertly managed their affairs through BARVEN.

We are therefore very pleased to hear about the effort to revive the hibernating BAJ over the weekend as reported in todays Nation newspaper. The President (interim) is the young energetic Amanda Lynch-Foster.

We wish the interim committee of the BAJ all the best.

We can’t promise we will not be critical of the Fourth Estate going forward, we promise however to be fair. We hope that with a functioning BAJ those on the committee responsible for PR will find the time to establish a protocol to improve the relationship between the Bajan Blogosphere and media practitioners in Barbados.

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  • Interesting that we don’t have any of the old guard on the interim committee. Maybe its a good thing know?

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  • wow! So what will happened if the C.O.P treats to this new formed Union for Journalist like how corporate Barbados often treated the BWU? Wunnuh remember how Miss Ram and Furniture Limited laughed at Bobby Clarke’s Industrial and General Workers Union?

    De C.O.P could simply restate his intent of speaking to Media Managers, not the BAJ or this new BAJ wunnuh be.

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  • It took an incedent like this for BAJ to regroup. There are many other instances when this should have happened but the media turned a blind eye. Just because it hits home, it interests them, this is selfishness.As soon as this matter is resolved, or desolved, the BAJ will again become dormant and the media would be chubby with the poilce again until something else flairs up. Jokers. If you want my support, and respect, give me your support and respect.Simple.

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  • BAJ
    There has been another guyanese murdered in Barbados. You want the public support? do some investigation journalism and report on the declining climate between the locals and guyanese. Maybe you would be stepping on Ms Gibbs ans Mr singh’s feet but that is what makes a true journalist.

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  • @The Scout

    Give the new committee a chance. We have to move forward. A good place to start if to give them some support in the honeymoon period.

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  • Listen, – but you’re not going to like it. It’s too right to be wrong…

    If you were born and lived all your life in a goldfish bowl… not matter how many books you read – your mind won’t grow. You take the info you’ve gleaned and, looking at the world through a paper tube – you can only “apply” what you’ve read in a constricted, shallow way.

    This is why the ‘scholars’ coming off Cave Hill remain short-sighted. All they can see and all they know is the room in which they live. They have never seen a mountain.

    And this is the problem. It’s called ‘small island syndrome.’ And things will remain the way they are. The only hope is travel… to meet other people, see different things, experience ‘the world.’ And if we cannot go to the mountain – the mountain can come to us… but the ‘authorities’ don’t want it… the very fertilizer that will grow us – i.e. other ethnicities with their various riches… are blocked from integrating with us.

    etc/ etc.

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  • The Way is is wrote “If you were born and lived all your life in a goldfish bowl… not matter how many books you read – your mind won’t grow.
    This is why the ’scholars’ coming off Cave Hill remain short-sighted.
    And this is the problem. It’s called ’small island syndrome.’ The only hope is travel… to meet other people, see different things, experience ‘the world.’

    Ms Lynch-Foster is young and curious and no doubt still has some travelling to do, it is after all a big world. But you do know don’t you that she is BOTH well educated and well travelled (and yes she has been to more than one ACTUAL mountain tops). You do know that she earned a master’s degreee from a university “over in away” and that she earned it on one of the THREE graduate scholarships she was offered that year, including acceptance to the graduate school New York University among many others.

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  • Dear Scout:

    I asked yu before Christmas if you as a CHRISTIAN (I am one too) are comfortable with cocane dealing policemen?

    Wuh happen that you ain’t answer yet?

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  • Thanks for that comment J. We think she is the most academically qualifies to lead the BAJ to date. We believe her biggest challenge will be how she exerts the best leadership skills in her role as interim President given the challenges she will have to confront from peers, employer and the public at large. Like Obama she will need a supportive team.

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  • Dear J
    I don’t make New Year’s resolutions but I would break with tradition next year and thus practice the skill as from now. My New Year’s resolution for next year is to restrict my comments and blogs with sensible people and while not being rude( i apologise if I am) you don’t fix that billing. I’m sorry for being so blunt but PLEASE have a healthy New Year.

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  • David
    I wish the young lady well but I don’t plan to wrap her up in swaddling bands or cotton wool. She has to prove herself and in proving herself, she has to have the support of the media at large. As I’ve stated before, when the media can learn to respect the public, then the public would respect them. Again I state, if any of my family, relatives or close friends are in a compromised position e.g serious accident, or uncontrolled grieving etc. and a camera man or a reporter/ journalist tries to barge in to take a photo or interview just for a story to sell their paper, they would get a story but it wouldn’t be the one they came for.

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  • Scout, Scout:

    A “Christian” like you threatening violence??????

    Shame, shame, shame.

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  • Dear the way it is you wrote “It’s called ’small island syndrome.’ ”

    I put it to you that there is no such thing as “small island syndrome”.

    However there are small minds, and some of the smallest minds and some of the least traveled people live on some of the biggest continents.

    Does the name George Bush mean anything to you? I believe that before he became President he had only once traveled to Mexico.

    Does the name Sarah Palin mean anything to you? Even though on a clear day she may be able to see Russia from her kitchen door, I don’t believe that she was ever curious enough to go there or anywhere else.

    Dear the way it is:

    Can you explain those anomolies?

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  • @David

    As a writer myself, I am pleased with the revival of the BAJ.

    Yes, it has been rudely roused from its stupor, but sometimes such happenings provide prime opportunities for meaningful traction.

    Re your astute comments on journalism and the blogosphere, FYI, some of the mainstream newsprint press here in the UK have gone a step further by interacting with the blogosphere and fostering huge online readerships. One needs look no further than guardian.co.uk, for instance.

    After all, most media (unlike ghastly rags such as Castros’s Granma or the erstwhile Pravda) are interactive and actively seek to cultivate their readerships.

    Anyone at the Nation or Advocate listening?

    Hello?

    This is really the way to go.

    I have every confidence that Ms Lynch-Foster will assist in carrying the profession and its professionals further into the orbits of 21st century digital technologies.

    I do hope that the BAJ will help to embolden journalists, while at the same time providing opportunities for them to hone high-quality skills.

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  • Yah could put shoes pun a snake… yah still can’ mek he walk…!

    AAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhhhhh

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  • Perhaps naively, I’m hopeful of this development.

    I personally hope the BAJ will retain their own legal counsel, to help journalists understand their exposure, and advocate their rights, under the current (and promised future) defamation laws.

    If one is speaking the truth, they may be sued (or threatened with same) if they publish something which someone else doesn’t want known. But, in reality, they actually face very little risk.

    From personal experience, being sued is not a death sentence. It is simply the first move of a very interesting and amusing game… (Discovery is FUN!!!)

    The Forth Estate is a critical component of any society. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Barbados actually had journalists who could honestly claim the role?

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  • David,

    Congratulations to the revival of BAJ and to Amanda Lynch-Foster in her new role. I am very happy and BANGO would like to extend a hand to BAJ to help you with your resuscitation; including registration, constitution, etc. If you are not registered or unsure of your status let us know.

    There is a lot to catch up on, including resources. You can call or e-mail me anytime and you can be sure that we will respond.

    Just a word of caution. You have been thrust into this position by circumstances and that tells me that the journalists who are more experienced and who would be better familiar with the issues are not ready yet. Just be careful that when you look back others are there.

    This is very important if BAJ is to be successful. I can tell you about having to fight the battle yourself.

    Incidentally, today, on reaching the procedural conference for the hearing into the BL&P application to the FTC, BANGO is the lone intervenor. I could not believe it. I had no idea. Sir Henry Forde is representing BL&P.

    Anyhow, BANGO is here. Do not underestimate us when it comes to getting organisations into the streamline. Technical assistance is what we do and that is what we are about; the empowerment of NGOs.

    We will help you fill your agenda and that is what will create and maintain the interests of the rest of the journalists. They have put you out there to see what you will do and you can be sure that there will be those waiting for your failure to say that we as a people cannot get anything right.

    You are too important to the national, regional and international arenas where your input is so necessary right now. It’s not a walk over. It’s work and the only thing I would say is that you can’t carry work or volunteerism to the supermarket. We are in the process of dealing with this matter and therefore I am looking forward to hearing from you.

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  • @ROK

    It is interesting that you have given feedback that BANGO is the only intervenor at the BL&P application to the FTC. Is this a spillover from the C&W aka LIME previous apps when intervenors challenge for payment?

    Your offer to Amanda is kind, why don’t you give her a call or send her an email at the Nation.

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  • David,

    I was informed (or given the impression) that two others applied but handed in their letters of intervention late.

    I am not sure that it is a spill over, but for me it is a preliminary study for the rate hearing later. The issues here are not that large but I am wondering why the two are not being done as one.

    What BANGO is about to do is stay away and then find that a decision made here impacts negatively on rates (and monthly billing) later on, with no opportunity to change it for a long time.

    When you see a man fishing in a dry pond, he knows what he is doing… but you should know that if I don’t hear her, I will call or send an e-mail. You should always give people a chance.

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  • That should read, “What BANGO is not about to do is stay away …”

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  • Thanks for the answeback ROK.

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  • David

    I should also let you know that Mr. Chris Halsall has kindly agreed to join the BANGO team on this hearing. He was not expected to be there today because of previous commitments and in any case, today was very preliminary.

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  • aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Chris Halsall, the man who is prepared to lay it on the line for the PEOPLE!

    @Chris

    Keep on doing what you doing Sammy 🙂

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  • Thanks Chris (I sincerely mean it lol)

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  • To Amanda Foster
    You have my support. Don’t get me wrong, all I’m telling you and your media folks, respect the public and the public would respect you. The arrogant attitude of most of your people would continue to place a wedge between the public and the media.

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  • ROK
    Congrats.
    You may be the one voice but it is better to have one sensible, powerful voice than several voices singing out of tune.

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  • Sorry! I will not waste my time “wishing” these smart people good luck. They did not have the foresight to unionize for their own benefit, and i don’t see any reason to believe that they will now have the foresight to achieve anything further without being manhandled, kicked, shut-out, and arrested. They are pragmatics all, responding after the fact, patching things here and there, unable to be progressive and forward looking. For some reason they remind me of a person who gets a cut on their foot and six weeks later with an unhealed wound they began to come to terms with the overwhelming proof that they are indeed diabetic. It may take an amputation to drive home the need to act, to make changes for the beterment of their health, and even then such is not gauranteed.

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  • Hello all and thanks for the kind wishes – the BAJ appreciates the support.

    I just wanted to address something mentioned in the post, regarding establishing a protocol to improve the relationship between media practitioners and the blogosphere.

    One of the posts on our interim committee is an Alternative and Independent Media representative. The purpose of that role, which is held by Andrea King, is to have someone to represent non-mainstream media entities, freelancers and public relations and corp com practitioners.

    We know it is quite a lot under one heading but since it is an interim committee on an organisation just trying to revive itself, we did not want to make the committee too bulky.

    We do welcome input and participation from the blogosphere so bloggers and and other online journalists are also invited to attend the meetings, which will be the last Sunday of every month at 5 p.m. We are still in the process of finalising a long-term venue. You can contact me at amandalynch@nationnews.com for any more details.

    Amanda Lynch-Foster

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  • DigiEd
    December 22, 2008 at 3:41 pm
    ———-WROTE ON BFP———-

    “While I appreciate the intent, I do NOT APPRECIATE THE DUPLICITOUS METHOD USED.
    Hence the various comments about the media using the BFP EVEN AFTER WE HAVE BEEN RIGHTFULLY CRITICAL OF THEIR APPROACH, are way off-base. If I want to get a message out to journalists, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER VERY EFFECTIVE CHANNELS I CAN AND HAVE USED.

    ———WROTE ON BU———

    Digied // December 31, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Hello all and thanks for the kind wishes – the BAJ appreciates the support.

    ****Adrian says:
    What support? You could have pointed your “Thanks” to David, ROK, Scout, and whomever else supported the FORCE RECUSITATION OF THE BAJ. I certainly didn’t.

    Digied // December 31, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    One of the posts on our interim committee is an Alternative and Independent Media representative. The purpose of that role, which is held by Andrea King, is to have someone to represent non-mainstream media entities, freelancers and public relations and corp com practitioners.

    We do welcome input and participation from the blogosphere so bloggers and and other online journalists are also invited to attend the meetings, which will be the last Sunday of every month at 5 p.m.

    ****Adrian says:
    Is this offer also extended to the “Duplicitous” BFP or only to BU? So David you gine show up?
    De police might be there to arrest you, or a court marshall to serve you a writ. Ha ha ha ha

    If and when the Blogs and uh mean BFP and BU sign on with these people, to my mind and as far as I am concern you would have become like them, and it is at that time that I will seek to encourage others to see you in the same vain. You don’t have to join with them, they need to report the news without fare or favor, so as far as I am concern nothing has change and nothing is in place to effect such a change within the mainstream media.

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  • Adrian H our position is that we wish the young lady well. It is a herculean task and it is not BU’s intention to make the job any harder. We have read the exchanges on BFP and urge all sides to smoke a peace pipe for the moment; we all have one goal don’t we?

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  • Dear Adrian Hinds:

    My husband tell me not to talk toyou but even so I have to ask “They ain’t have no lakes in Boston that you can go jump into?”

    Ya *d*ot a lot of the journalists are already members of various trade unions. BAJ is a professinal association.

    You don’tget it do you??

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  • J you have a husband? Yet another potential candidate for membership to Ralph Boyce Men’s group. Please extend to him my Sympathies. 🙂

    ha ha ha ha ha There are plenty lakes-of-information that i swim and at times dive into with much pleasure.
    Here is what i have found in one of them after a shallow knee high waddle into it.

    ———Lake-of-informationWikipedia———

    A professional body or professional organization, also known as a professional association or professional society, is an organization, usually non-profit, that exists to further a particular profession, to protect both the public interest and the interests of professionals.

    Such bodies generally strive to achieve a balance between these two often conflicting mandates. Though professional bodies often act to protect the public by maintaining and enforcing standards of training and ethics in their profession, they often also act like a cartel or a labor union (trade union) for the members of the profession, though this description is commonly rejected by the body concerned.

    A trade union or labor union is an organization of workers who have banded together to achieve common goals in key areas such as wages, hours, and working conditions. The trade union, through its leadership, bargains with the employer on behalf of union members (rank and file members) and negotiates labor contracts (Collective bargaining) with employers. This may include the negotiation of wages, work rules, complaint procedures, rules governing hiring, firing and promotion of workers, benefits, workplace safety and policies. The agreements negotiated by the union leaders are binding on the rank and file members and the employer and in some cases on other non-member workers.

    Uh gine and get muh sweat on, wuh bout you?

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  • DigiEd

    Take it from me, the only meeting you will have with bloggers is right here on the blogs.

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  • @Adrian

    I can only assume that you are either the digital equivalent of scrooge, with a malodorous attitude to the BAJ, or you have a very unusual sense of humour.

    We are in agreement that the state of Barbados’s fourth estate is far from perfect, but what the BAJ needs now is encouragement and constructive criticism for JOURNALISM, in the end, to be the winner.

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  • @Digied

    “One of the posts on our interim committee is an Alternative and Independent Media representative. The purpose of that role, which is held by Andrea King, is to have someone to represent non-mainstream media entities, freelancers and public relations and corp com practitioners”

    I am confused; please correct me if I am misguided, but why on earth should the BAJ be representing “corp com freelancers and PR” folk?

    Are their interests akin to yours?

    Shouldn’t they have their own representative organisation?

    Though I have my issues with Adrian H’s last post, he has defined, what a trade union is after wading into the knowledge lake (with his knowledge snorkel and mask, I presume)

    Therefore, I need to know how the BAJ defines “journalist”.

    Also, who exactly is a “non-mainstream media practitioner”?

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  • John Stevenson // January 1, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    @Adrian

    I can only assume that you are either the digital equivalent of scrooge, with a malodorous attitude to the BAJ, or you have a very unusual sense of humour.

    We are in agreement that the state of Barbados’s fourth estate is far from perfect, but what the BAJ needs now is encouragement and constructive criticism for JOURNALISM, in the end, to be the winner.
    ===========================

    Mr. Stevenson, ASSUME all you want, If to you, my attitude towards BAJ “stinks to high heaven, that is a concern for you; I don’t share your views, and don’t care too. Further more I am not in any agreement with you about Barbados’s fourth estate, and certainly don’t share in your opinion and action of “offering” or “giving” encouragement to BAJ.

    In J’s attempt to stamp BAJ as a Professional organization, I offered a standard definition of such that states, “such bodies exist to protect both the public interest and the interests of professionals”.

    Now I ask you and J to reflect on the series of incidents that led to the force resuscitation of BAJ, and try to answer in whose interest they are raising their ugly head? When you are done answering that question, reflect on all that David/BU and BFP would have said over the years to reflect what they consider to be glaring deficiencies in journalism, news coverage etc in Barbados, and asked yourself what actions has the “mainstream media” taken thus far to deal with those concerns?

    My answer is nothing! What’s yours?

    BTW I said “WADDLE” Knee-high, in an attempt to suggest that I did not have to look too far, too long, or too deep for the definitions of a Professional Organization, and that of a Trade Union to prove the legitimacy for my use of the latter. Why would I, according to you “WADE” Knee-high and at that with ‘snorkel” and “Mask”, in the Lake-of-information????????

    Can anyone say that BAJ-2 was restarted to both protect the public and the journalist interest? Honestly now!

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  • We ignore our History at our peril so we react in this manner when something like this happens.

    When things settle back down, the journalists will go back to their un-informed , ill informed, care free behaviour because they themselves do not know or care about their history.

    Even the politicians dont care about the history of this country: one politico describe it as FOOLISHNESS

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  • @Adrian H

    Your position is understood but don’t you think that if you move from 0 to 2 it makes getting to 10 that much of a possibility?

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  • @Digied AKA Amanda Lynch-Foster

    Thank you for your effort.

    However, with respect, you (and yours) appear to be unsophisticated in this “new age” and medium of Blogging…

    If one claims to be a traditional “journalist”, one tends not to work anonymously. (Unless you work for the Economist… But that’s a separate essay entirely…)

    After all, the traditional “Forth Estate” have used the anonymous posture of many (but, importantly, not all) posters on the Barbados Blogs as a reason to dismiss all content on said Blogs.

    If you, Amanda Lynch-Foster, expect to be taken seriously, then you must be able to step forward and be taken seriously (and take (and give) licks) *here*, on the no-holds-bared Barbados Blogs.

    We welcome the Traditional “Forth Estate”. We hope (and expect) that you and yours can keep up. After all, you have the formal training. We’re simply amateurs, who somehow seem to get all the international web traffic…

    Again, welcome….

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  • David // January 1, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    @Adrian H

    Your position is understood but don’t you think that if you move from 0 to 2 it makes getting to 10 that much of a possibility?
    ===========================

    You will have to define what the goal of 10 is, that way i can guage whether BAJ-2 marks progression. I have a goal in mind and BAJ-2 todate does nothing to signal the beginning towards that goal.

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  • @Adrian H

    Ok we are with you but can you agree that the resuscitated interim BAJ committee represents by its existence an opportunity to address your concerns?

    If the catalyst for the revival of the BAJ is borne out of a need to rally troops against what they perceive is victimisation against the profession there is no reason why with good leadership the goals you suggest will not be seen as the obvious next step.

    The point we stress is with a functioning BAJ all of the ideals you are wishing for is now possible. Before last week our discussion would have been about when the BAJ would rise up. Now the discussion/expectation can move to the best role the BAJ needs to play to sustain/improve our system.

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  • If the catalyst for the revival of the BAJ is borne out of a need to rally troops against what they perceive is victimisation against the profession THERE IS NO REASON WHY WITH GOOD LEADERSHIP THE GOALS YOU SUGGEST WILL NOT BE SEEN AS THE OBVIOUS NEXT STEP.
    ——————–
    Adrian says:

    There are plenty reasons why i don’t at this time see the need the praise BAJ-2
    Is there a past best practice with BAJ-1 that gives you some hope that there will be a return to ideals that can result in “real news reporting” without fare of favor, or see an introduction of investigative journalism, or a complete embrace of new technologies and the citizen news reporter? Or is it that these things are completely new and are yet to be initiated? It is intructive from the bolded statement above that you cannot at this time produce one reason base on any current ACTION or statements from BAJ-2 nor can you point to any past actions from BAJ-1 that gives you this hope. I prefer to be pragmatic when it comes to BAJ-2, so while hope can and does spring eternal, at this point BAJ-2 seems to be immune from such, and until they have acted out initiatives with measurable results, to bring all the news and nothing but all the news to the public, I shall continue to view them with the level of skepticism and scorn that they have earned.

    Not only have they been long on denying news to the public, they have entered into a porcess of heaping scorn and attempted isolation on the citizen journalist. You can shower praise on them for doing so little and i will continue to hammer them until they honor the people’s trust.

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  • I hesitated; started to write this; stopped; thought long and hard, then decided to go ahead. May I pose the following questions [to no one in particular]:
    Who publishes or broadcasts news stories? Journalists?
    If a journalist said to an Editor or publisher or Producer: “I have started an expose on Corruption in the Judiciary. I need two weeks to focus on this to complete it”. What do you think the response will be?
    If and when such an expose was completed, how long do you think it would take before it was published? How many checks, and double checks. How many “screenings” by “legal advisors”, and questions about “sources”?
    Journalists in Barbados are, at best, poorly trained, poorly paid and recognised more as public relations outlets than as sources of credible information.
    Most of the comments contained in this thread supports my belief.

    Dennis

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  • Let me assure Amanda Lynch-Foster that the revival of the BAJ is one to hail. I think we should appreciate the fact that our little paradise is tainted because ordinary citizens are not taking on their civic responsibility; not only the media.

    The revival of the BAJ can only be considered another boost in the confidence of our citizens to get up and do something about their plight. Surely if they perform, it will be even more than a boost.

    The revival of the BAJ also does not dictate the performance of the media or provide no guarantees with respect to role of the media. With or without the BAJ, the media is owned by private interests seeking profit. You know what you can say about CBC.

    “The People” cannot be described as some formless glob which has to be placed on a pedestal and protected. It is the people who have to rise up and protect themselves. Any talk about the role of the media has to be enforced by the people. Let citizens stop buying the nation and advocate and render CBC and Starcom voiceless by turning off their radios and TVs or tuning to other stations; then you will see how much advertising revenue they would get.

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  • Dennis

    If I had seen yours before hitting the submit button I would still have sent mine… and I should have added: it seems like some people would like to stay on the side with a bull whip telling others what to do and not contributing to the cause with even words of encouragement.

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  • Editors, Publishers and Producers in media outlets can only prevent news from reaching the public with the acquiescence of journalists.
    Technology being what it is now, it is a lot easier for papers to fall of the back of trucks.

    The ability to go to the supermarket and pay the bank at the end of the month has a lot to do with the quality of journalism we see in Barbados.

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  • Adrian H you are of course entitled to your view on this matter.

    To respond to your last comment:

    BU like others have decided to lend support to the BAJ.

    BU agrees with Dennis, ROK and others who currently point out that media practioners represent a cog in the wheel of the Fourth Estate.

    BU has been a big critic of the media and our position remains the same on that issue. What do you have to loose by giving the BAJ a chance? It is a win win because currently you are getting nothing.

    We have heard Dennis making the point on air that it is scary that Barbadians, who are so educated and a democracy which is boasted about feel they have to retreat to the Internet under the cloak of anonymity, SAD.

    The BU family would be bowled over if they knew the real names of some commenters.

    We encourage more media personnel to come out and give their views on the issues. The moment you do you will the change. The power of coming together and lending voices to the issues will help to galvanise support for the profession.

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  • General Lee

    I agree, but what you are suggesting takes citizen action to perform. Any one person who sticks out their neck so easily will surely get it chopped off.

    That is why we need to support efforts. It’s called, “individual action for collective effect.”

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  • This revival is a knee-jerk reaction
    and will fade again and again because we do not appreciate the benefit of knowing our history. We are the only people in the world who push our history aside. We are so foolish it aint funny.

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  • We are just leaning on our own understanding and ignoring truth

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  • Asiba:
    your comments underscore the need for training!
    Knowledge of what being a journalist means.
    Courage to persue the truth whatever the cost.
    Understanding that nothing is to be accepted at face value, and finally recognising that your only reward may be dismissal [or worse, death].
    Think Jonestown – and the camera man who kept filming while men ran towards the group of which he was a part, shooting. He died; but the rest of us got to know the story.

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  • @DJ
    DJ good to see my friend,…wishing you and yours the best of health and wealth in 2009
    There was a time I would have made a distinction between media workers and media managers. I no longer see the need to do so. It has become increasingly difficult to separate the wheat from the shaft with regards to the opinions held of the blogs and bloggers, amongst all Media workers. General Lee said the following “Editors, Publishers and Producers in media outlets can only prevent news from reaching the public with the acquiescence of journalists.” If Journalists had strongly disagree with the sanitization of news delivery in Barbados and there was a TRUE willingness to get the real news out, they would have found several ways to do so. I AM NOT going to deny that training would go a long way in bringing journalism and journalist in Barbados to the point that we can have some confidence in what they present, but If there is no determination, conviction, confidence, and perseverance, all the training in the world would be for nought. One has to admire BFP, BU, and Bajan bloggers in general where these attributes are in abundance and yet none of us can boast of any “training”.

    @ David:

    Indeed, and my opinion has been all along, not to give praise where there isn’t a clear case for so doing. I will note that while you seek to scold me for not being as generous as you have been, you have not been able to present a clear reason for yours. I may yet be a scrooge as JS suggested, my praise and well wishes have value, and I will not dispense with them willy nilly. The praise that BAJ-2 has gotten thus far reminds me of the praise Mia Mottley, then Mininster of home affairs, and under whose ministerial portfolio Glendairy prison fell, got, for the “theater” like media briefings dealing with the Burning of the prison. Praise for what??? I am still asking!

    @ROK
    The individual action in this regard is right here, and the collective effect is the high readership, of the blog, the willingness to question authorities, via the town hall meetings, and other fora. It is catching, and todate the traditional media is determine not to join hands with this effort., therefore no praise from me is deserved thus far.

    @Asiba:
    Listening to the praise Amanda double surname gets for starting BAJ-2 and I being scold for not so doing, One would not get the sense the “Knee jerk” response was suh obvious.

    @DJ …again:
    Your last post reminded me of a Owen Arthur comment towards Barbadians

    ” We want to go to heaven but we don’t want to die”.

    Looks like it can be applied here. 😀

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  • @David: you said
    The BU family would be bowled over if they knew the real names of some commenters.

    ==========================

    Not me, I would not be bowled over. I have been using my real name from day one back in 1993, on the Rumshoplime. I am currently bowled over that so called real men and women cannot use their real names. It will be real hard for me to respect them if and when they find the courage to do so in the future. While courage is blatantly missing with these people, it more likely that they are looking for assurances against reprisal should they dare to out themselves. Is there a correlation between this state of fear and the increasing membership to Ralp Boyce men’s group? probably not. 😀

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  • @Adrian:
    In a year when it is forecast there will be no peace and plenty, may I wish you – enough!
    I agree with you and Gen. Lee on the issue of “willingness”. But that is the journalist who understands what is journalism and is committed to upholding the tenets of that noble profession. Sadly, there are many who see it as a means to an end. That “end” is sometimes no more than free passes to cocktailed receptions, upscale events and eventual reward with a post of “Corporate Communications Specialist”. Now, I am not knocking those who bear that title nobly; but as with every profession, there are pretenders, and there are dedicated practitioners.

    Dennis

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  • @Adrian:
    In a year when it is forecast there will be no peace and plenty, may I wish you – enough!
    ===========================

    ha ha ha ha ha I very much like this greeting. Thanks!

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  • you are very welcome

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  • Every individual who has a modicum of life (I nearly said common sense-but i realised that I knew about slavery when I was pre-school age—it was innate) in his/her body should be committed to full disclosure where our history is concerned: seek it ; disclose it.

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  • I am onto the history thing because if we dont go back WE WILL NOT SOLVE PRESENT PROBLEMS

    We continue to ignore our History at our peril.

    Look at the demise of West Indies cricket and learn some lessons.

    I am calling for emphasis on the teaching of our History by way of every available medium. THERE ARE ISSUES TO BE RESOLVED

    THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WHO CAN DENY THIS.

    WHOEVER FOOLED US THAT OUR HISTORY IS FOOLISHNESS ?

    Sadly there are many who think so

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  • Asiba why don’t you start the ball rolling? My interest is politics, as i believe everything that occurs in Barbados has it’s bases in politics, and therefore to change things, I believe that as many Barbadians as possible need to understand their system of government. I have taken every opportunity since 1993 to bring every discussion down to it’s lowest denominator , politics. I did so to the point of being cast as a “one trick pony” I am today very happy that others have persist, continues and have taken up anew, the fight to educate themselves and others, about, bajan politics. You can do the same, think about an approach and go for it. Here is something to concider as you may ponder your approach. Every action, activity, and process today has a history, and an origin. You can frame your “look back to history’ by starting with a current situation under discussion, and take it back through it’s historic time line culminating at it’s historical core and origin.

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  • @DJ

    Dennis, my esteemed colleague, though you’ve hinted at it, someone is still to answer my initial question – Can you collapse “corporate communication specialist” and “PR Officer” under the general rubric of “journalist”? Or is this conflation only possible in Barbados? And for what purposes? Though journlaists are vital to the PR fraternity, does that fraternity actively represent the fourth estate?

    (ROK, your thoughts?)

    @Adrian

    In relation to my earlier comments re snorkel/mask and the information lake, I mentioned this purely in light-hearted new year jest (smile)

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  • I might be wrong but what DJ is saying is that “Journalists” today see Corp. Com and P.R as their career goals, unlike before when being a professional jounalist was the ultimate. Hence the inclusion of them in the new BAJ.

    This is why we have journalist running being public figures daily and then regurgitating, almost verbatim, what they say as news. A task that can be adequately done by GIS or any PR firm on the island.

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  • being =behind

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  • @General Lee

    That’s where we as Bajans will have issues with journalists. if your reasoning is correct, they need not go to CARIMAC or the BCC or whereever else to do journalism, the just need to find good PR training be it an university or some such institution.

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  • John

    All are related, although different roles. A person working as a journalist would take on the role of reporting news.

    That same person working as a PR consultant would take on a different role. In the end it is about practice,in the same way you would have a criminal lawyer or corporate lawyer. They are both lawyers but one specialise is crime and the other in corporate law.

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  • ROK
    The problem in Barbados is there is very little news that Journalist brings to the public that GIS or PR firms could not bring .
    Imho this is not what Journalism is supposed to be.

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  • Appreciate the ‘boring’ news

    1/3/2009

    Barbados Advocate

    RECENT perusal of local blogs would have led the casual observer to glean a somewhat distorted image of Barbados and its major media houses. Some blogs complain about the nature of news in Barbados, stating that it seems to consist of reporting the comings and goings of government officials.

    They maintain that this is not “real journalism” and even sometimes accuse media houses of being supporters of one party or another. They are not alone in this, as some letter writers have also complained of the seemingly uneventful nature of news in Barbados. Both groups of commentators have arrived at the same conclusion: that the Media deliberately focuses on what they consider to be mundane issues at the expense of more important stories.

    In their opinions, local journalists do not do the kind of investigative journalism and controversial stories which are the hallmark of true journalism. They point to the stories which form the main content of our daily new papers – reports from Parliament, coverage of press conferences and functions. To this is added human interest and health stories.
    For the most part, our newspapers do not focus on violent and sensational stories.

    This is in contrast to the topics which form the main body of news in other countries. Anyone who has had a chance to read the leading dailies of some of our neighbouring islands, will notice how much of the newspaper tends to be given over to stories of a more dramatic nature. Murders, kidnapping and drug-related crimes seem to be the focus of the news, especially in the just concluded year. Crime was an issue of concern in the Caribbean in 2008, and the newspapers in many territories reflect this. Kidnapping continued to be a problem for Trinidad and Tobago, with the added worry of a rise in crime against children, which led the leader of the opposition to call for specific legislation to protect children. In the middle of last year, Guyana was caught the grip of a sudden rash of killings which made headlines throughout the region.

    Looking at the international scene, newspapers are also filled with crime and violence. Mexico and Colombia continue to fight a protracted war against drug lords, with casualties on both sides. And the international pages of all newspapers around the world last year were filled with the worsening situation in Zimbabwe, just as they have been filled with reports of the other unfortunate happenings of the past year.
    In light of such material the reports on Parliament carried by our local dailies must seem tame indeed.

    By the most straightforward of definitions, a newspaper simply reports, and records for the future, news events – good or bad, disheartening or uplifting. At the same time, they are more than mere recorders. They are mirrors of the society at this point in time. And in too many places, the mirror reflects violence, corruption or tyranny. We have been blessed this past year with fewer of such incidents to report than other places. We should be thankful that God has blessed us this year in countless ways, and we have avoided natural disasters, political upheaval and an escalation in criminality for another year. If this means that the newspaper is “boring”, then so be it.

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  • Wow!

    We are speechless.

    So many points in this article can be challenged, why bother.

    If we did not know better we would say that this is a snow job, or do we?

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  • David, don’ be fooled by the many change of colors the Advocate news owner is known for. He is in the business of selling news papers. His words not minds

    Do you remember the Barney Lynch affair with David Ellis and Adrian Loverage? The Advocate editorial response was the following. Further proof that BAJ-2 will not have any effect on these media house reporting all the news

    “The quoted Advocate editorial clearly leaves David Ellis out to dry. One would have thought that given the greyness to this issue that the Advocate would have closed ranks as a member of the 4th Estate. Oh well!

    Dangers in a necessity&Limits on free expression
    Web Posted – Wed Mar 28 2007
    RECENT developments confirm the pertinence of our stated position on the use of electronic media, specifically radio, not only by well-intentioned citizens who simply want to unburden themselves of legitimate grievances, but also by people who set out to commit mischief.

    Some radio stations choose not to put their credibility, licences and the jobs of employees at risk by joining the current talk-show parade. It isn’t that those programmes are out of step with contemporary Barbados. Quite the opposite.

    They have become an important part of democratic governance and should be encouraged to continue, albeit while safeguarding against malicious manipulation by a small handful of zealots, and the sort of brow-beating that occurs when a programme host tries to ram his/her opinion down callers’ throats.

    The larger danger lies in allowing on-air contributions which collide with existing laws.

    Fanatics seldom seem to appreciate this, and persistently unleash streams of rhetoric, usually unsupported by fact, against any individual or group with whom they have even the slightest disagreement.

    Need for constant vigilance

    Whether their input is via telephone, letter, fax or e-mail, the effect is equally hazardous unless station personnel are sufficiently competent to pre-empt publication [broadcast]of offensive statements. A few years ago, we had occasion to comment on airing the contents of an anonymous letter which alleged criminal behaviour by police officers; an allegation totally debunked by all available evidence. Despite its imperfections, the Police Force is far more important to our country than the claimed popularity of a radio station. Unfortunately, the lessons of that experience must have been ignored, or forgotten in a moment of weakness when an e-mailed document, loaded with innuendo, also received similar treatment last Sunday.

    We might be charitable and say that communication caught the station off guard, because there is no proof of deliberate mischief on its part. What we are more concerned about is an apparent belief in some quarters that public figures are fair targets in the shooting gallery they want some talk-shows to become.

    High-minded crusader?

    By contrast, if, for example, a favourite personality is found guilty in a court of law of committing a breach of contract and ordered to pay compensation, a news organisation exercises self censorship on the case, but projects the culprit as some sort of high-minded crusader, a model worthy of emulation in the ongoing debate about freedom of information and integrity legislation.

    An important challenge for news media is not only to facilitate “free and frank discussion on national issues”, but also to be careful that, while defending individuals’ right to be heard, they are not also elevating persons whose professed commitment to the welfare of Barbados may be contradicted by their actions.

    For integrity legislation to be meaningful, it should be seen as having relevance not just to politicians and other public servants, but also to every citizen and resident.”

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  • General Lee wrote “I might be wrong but what DJ is saying is that “Journalists” today see Corp. Com and P.R as their career goals, unlike before when being a professional jounalist was the ultimate”

    You are aware of course that Ms. Lynch-Foster worked in corporate communications, and that she has VOLUNTARILY returned to journalism.

    There is hope for the future.

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  • Dottin, media meet Thursday
    Published on: 1/4/09.

    COMMISSIONER OF POLICE Darwin Dottin will meet SENIOR MEDIA MANAGERS on Thursday to discuss relations between the media and the police.

    The meeting, which takes place at the Prince Cave Hall, District “A” Complex, at 10 a.m., follows the recent incident in which two media workers were arrested and charged while covering the court appearance of a policeman charged with cocaine possession. (PR)

    ===========================

    Will BAJ-2 be present at this meeting?

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  • Methinks J’s posts sound too much like they’re written by the young lady’s arrogant alter ego … first the one about being uberqualified and now this business of her ‘voluntarily’ returning to save the world. Voluntarily? Simmer down J. Not to take anything away from her (you?) but really now, I’m sure she (you?) still get(s) a salary each month so enough with the attempt at this selflessness malarky. IMHO you’re really not doing her (your?) image any favours as far as humility goes. I’m just saying. I suspect your (her) heart is in the right place, though. Good luck to all!

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  • ha ha ha ha wuh i had not given thought to the possibility of J and Amanda double surname being the same person, uh gine got tuh back now and read all of J’s posting to see if i can reasonably confirm this to be so. lol! Uh tell yuh!

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  • @Adrian H

    We have known for sometime that Kim Young hates the blogs, well specifically BU and BFP. She does not buy in to what BU is trying to achieve but we respect that she is entitled to her opinion.

    We can feel the anger which flows from her writing. Just had a peep at her blog and we see that she is directing her woman’s fury at you.

    She reminds us of Ian Walcott :-).

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  • Wuh yuh saying David? Kim Young and J is the same person?????? I had forgotten that this “mental case” still existed. So I am still on her mind?

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  • The poor girl.

    PMS is so debilitating.

    Leave her be Jerome, is my advice.

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  • David // January 5, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    Her blog is http://caribbeanmediasphere.blogspot.com/2009/01/open-note-to-barbados-free-press.html.

    She is threatening to go legal
    ===========================

    Oh yes she has been threatening to do that for sometime now. I am so scared that i had totally forgotten she existed. lol!

    ha ha ha ha she like she suffering from a case of rejection. The contents posted on the below blog by 4dr14n H1nd5 is what probably set her off. Um is true true true. ha ha ha ha How dare her ask me to join anything to do with the BLP.

    http://labourparty.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/found-a-nice-ditty-on-youtube/#comment-16546

    Funny how she aint threatening to sue this person:

    http://labourparty.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/found-a-nice-ditty-on-youtube/#comment-18132

    But you answer me though, is J and Kim Young de same person?

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  • Dey should tak all de police and make dem journalists and tek all the journalists and t’row dem in de force

    AAAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhhhh

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  • Ya’d end up wid jounalices

    AAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhhhhh

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  • ha ha ha ha Just the other day i was thinking of deleting this photo, of Kim J Young and Ian Walcott, making some really silly statements.

    So Kim why are you still in Barbados? You made your statement in October 2007, and it’s almost a year that Thompy became PM. Wuh happen?

    I believe i still have the stuff she posted on my face book wall, if i do i will post them so that all can see who initated the contact between us and who ended it. ha ha ha ha ha. Kim tell us again why you are so mad with me. Uh mean besides being a mental nut case in the first place. ha ha ha

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  • Boy am i really slow. ha ha ha ha ha

    kim J young = J

    wuh i had know idea i was talking to de devil incarnate. ha ha ha ha
    Does anyone know if Kim J Young is married? ….J kept insisting to me THAT HER HUSBAND WOULD NOT BE PLEASE IF HE FOUND OUT SHE WAS TALKING TO ME ON THESE BLOGS.

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  • Adrian Hinds

    Have you noticed since J was out-ed as Kim Young she has not posted since?

    This is the same J who was such a prolific poster/blogger.

    J always struck me as strange anyhow.

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  • ha ha ha ha. Anon for all i don’t know you maybe J aka Kim Young-Belgrave. The word “strange” seems to follow her where ever she blogs. I had no idea that i was responding to Kim whilst responding to J. What a light weight. Her contributions were easily destroyed. How quickly she ran into issues with a number persons on BFP and BU seems to reflect what occurs in her everyday real relationships. ha ha ha ha uh tell yuh.

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  • BTW Adrian:

    Apologies for confusing you with your namesake, Jerome.

    I respect you both for entirely different reasons.

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  • AH

    Everybody deserves a chance. The young lady is learning in the same way that you came along and learnt. Others helped you along the way even though you may not have been the kindest; not saying you were not either.

    I do not feel that you should wage a vendetta on the blog. All we doing is degrading ourselves and feel that we doing something to somebody. We really have to stop this foolishness. We behaving like children and would want to criticise the level of debate in the house of assembly as well as the integrity of others.

    What integrity do we have behaving this way? What gives you the credentials to be so self righteous.

    I really don’t know the woman although I have corresponded with her via facebook and receive her blogs. and ‘J’ I have interacted with here. If it was anybody else I would say the same thing.

    You know what? Most of you people come here to be anonymous, yet there are some witch hunters who delight in exposing handles. I think respect is due. If we want a high level of blog interaction, I think we should stick to the topics and accept each other’s contribution for what it is worth.

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  • @ ROK, I can ease up, and probably will. However i will not join in any praise of her or BAJ-2 until it is evident that they are working for the betterment of themselves and the PUBLIC.

    …ROK you are being dishonest in the position you are taking re. Kim J and J… and I. WHY ARE YOU appealing to me to ceast and desist? DID I start this battle of words? Your appeals for civility should be made to Kim and J well Kim J really, but you would know why you think it necessary to bring your sorry commentary to me about foolish acts, lack of integrity, and childish behavior etc… I cannot and will not take your one-sided view point on this matter seriously. If you are still smarting from the comments I made in defense of myself against you in the marijuana debate, you should reflect on all that you have said to define my actions in this tread with a focus on your own then actions. This placing how I feel about your response in the best context I can. Were you standing with ear shot I would not be so generous.

    I honestly thought I was responding to someone named J, until David made me aware of the Kim J posting on her blog, where she reference that she left me a response on MY BLOG. Since I don’t have a blog and she seems to be of the opinion that I either own or works for BFP I decided to check there. This all occurred last night, and it was only this morning that I concluded that J is indeed Kim J Young, I had no idea and did not care to know who she was until she decided to reopened her wounds that I did not even know I had inflicted. She has spread falsehoods about my stalking her and telling lies on her. Mine has always been an approach to expose bold faced lies especially when it is easy to do so. I provided the links to disabuse others of what she contends, is this not fair? Her tirade has been one exercise in emotions of anger that on close examination would most likely lead someone to wonder if she is mentally stable. So I have to ask you on what grounds do you speak to me as if I started this. It can’t be the sequence of events and comments here.

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  • OK. I will be truthful and say that I see your point but it takes two hands to clap.

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  • ROK you really get banned or you trying to tief my handle?

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  • BAFBFP

    You ent see I ban them, not the oher way round on more. You could keep the BAF. I will come round for that when I ban them again.

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  • ROK – Banned BFP // January 6, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    OK. I will be truthful and say that I see your point but it takes two hands to clap.
    ===========================

    Even for Ambidextrous persons there is still a dominant side and hence, the action of clapping hands is initiated by one hand, with the other hand responding in like kind. I will not allow you to chide me for RESPONDING to provocation while you say nothing to the provocateur.

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  • I see that you is a war monger.

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  • ROK – Banned BFP // January 6, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    I see that you is a war monger.
    ===========================
    ha ha ha ha ha lol! The good book reads, “Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise” I am not a sluggard so i choose to emulate the “fire Ant” when dealing with Kim J Young and her apolgists.

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  • “Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise”

    Wait, that was about cricket, right?

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  • Adrian Hinds
    All those jokers that you are fighting against are just looking for sympathy. I have NONE to give. I,ve stated my position with the media already. It’s simple, respect the public, which includes you and I and the public would respect you. It’s the first rule in physics ” for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.”

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  • Straight talk // January 6, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    BTW Adrian:

    Apologies for confusing you with your namesake, Jerome.

    I respect you both for entirely different reasons.
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    No worries! For the record, I am Adrian Hinds in all i do in life an on the internet. I do not know of Jerome Hinds, or any other Hinds posting in these blogs. I am not a journalist, neither have i aspired to be one. I am a naturalize citizen of the United States and shall remain a born and bred bajan wherever I sleep,shit and shave. 🙂

    …..The truth is that i am a average person of average ability, who leveraged and continues to leverage what is denied to most in small societies, I do not take no for an answer, does not shame easily, is at ease in the company of a King or begger, and fear no one. I figured that all an advisory can do is make my life miserable, or end it, and that most times i will have an chance to deny them that opportunity. For all the importance, and power over others that some of us think we have and do have, we all can be made to, and eventually will wither away and be no more.

    “In the long run, we’re all dead.”
    John Maynard Keynes, 1883-1946

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  • ROK – Banned BFP // January 7, 2009 at 1:31 am

    “Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise”

    Wait, that was about cricket, right?
    ===========================

    I will have you know that at 43 I can still perform and get good results as a cricket all rounder. Think of Magina Thilan Thushara of Sri Lanka. If you are good with the bat and the ball you cannot be a sluggard. lol!

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  • ISN’T THIS NEWS? WHY DO I HAVE TO READ ABOU IT IN CODE, CONTAIN IN THE COSSIP COLUMNS?

    If Ralph Taylor got kicked off a board and may be facing a lawsuit, why does this not appear as legitimate news, in the mainstream media? Is it not true????

    quote:

    Big man gets the boot

    SOME OVERSEAS INVESTORS recently voted to have the powerful man who is well known for his management skills kicked off the board of their establishment.

    Apparently, these British folk are not as impressed with his skills as those in the tourist industry seem to be.

    Many of them suffered losses of hundreds of thousands of dollars while their investment has become a dilapidated eyesore on the scenic West Coast.

    This powerful man, who claims that whatever he touches turns to gold, may find himself with a big lawsuit that will certainly be tailor-made for someone of his stature and wealth.

    Pudding and Souse: Big Man Gets Boot
    Published on: 1/3/09.

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  • Kim J Young Belgrave in her blistering commentry accusing me of stalking her, and following her on the internet etc.

    I made one contribution to her blog back in March of 2008, and she responded on January 2009. Read it for yourself and decide if my actions fit the profile of a stalker, or whatever else she said.

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5183157773396868811&postID=3667028867093725896

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