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Annalee Davis

Members of the BU household attended the viewing of a 30 minute documentary titled On The Map produced by Annalee Davis at Solidarity House tonight (15 July 2008). The night’s proceedings was moderated by the ubiquitous Peter Wickham. The viewing although not a full house attracted a cross section of Barbados. Before we comment on the actual 30 minute ‘piece’ we should clarify a few matters which have been given rise by tonights proceedings. Norman Faria, Barbados Guyana Consul during the feedback segment of the night’s event launched a broadside at the blogs, we believe he meant BU given our persistent blogging on the Barbados immigration issue. He called on the authorities to censor us. He referred to the vile, racist and xenophobic positions taken on the blogs regarding the issue of migrant labour with a focus on the Indo-Guyanese.

Norman Faria we hope that you are reading very carefully what we are about to write:

All of our blogs to date on the immigration issue are built on two positions 1) the lack of a managed immigration policy in Barbados and 2) the socio-impact of large inflows of Indians on a predominantly Black host population. We have reread many of our blogs on the subject of immigration and we have struggled to discern any xenophobic meanings on our part. We must admit that some of our commenters have sometimes crossed the line by engaging in racial rhetoric. However Faria, Ricky Singh and others should not mistake the comments of a few commenters to represent the views of the BU household. We believe in free speech and while we don’t condone all the comments on BU we will always seek to protect freedom of expression. We believe that Barbadians are educated enough to filter racist and xenophobic nonsense from the real fears and concerns of Barbadians. The fear was very eloquently expressed by Caribbean Broadcaster Corporation broadcaster Jewel Forde and Sydney Simmons, now retired. The issue of migrant labour is a topic which is currently occupying the many countries in the world, the developed countries being no exception.

To respond to Keith Nurse who we understand is a lecturer at the UWI and who sought to scare Barbadians by referring to the Dominican /Haiti experience by mentioning the word genocide, it will not work!

To comment on the first effort by Annalee Davis to produce, we have to compliment her on the attempt to highlight a concept which is of value to our small region, i.e. migrant labour. The Caribbean was built on the backs of migrant labour and we have no doubt that this will continue. The BU household fully supports the free movement of people within a managed immigration policy. Contained within that policy must be how ethnic populations will be absorbed by our host population. It seems like we have made this point ad nauseam since our launch but some people prefer to ignore it. The construct of the presentation was woefully inadequate to deal with such a complex topic and Davis located the story mostly in the Guyanese experience and more specifically Indo-Guyanese which led to a perceived bias by the BU household. For the benefit of Davis we should provide one glaring example. The documentary featured resident Indian lawyer Bacchus, who may have some Guyanese origin speaking to the incident dubbed ‘terrible Tuesday’. The BU family may recall that the Barbados authorities sent back 20+ Guyanese who intended to visit Barbados a couple years ago. In the film we listened to Bacchus castigating the Immigration Department and by extension the Barbados government for allowing such to occur. To our surprise the documentary failed to extract an official response from the Barbados Immigration Department to bring some balance to the issue. Instead Ms. Davis film which is a collection of disadvantaged Guyanese grieving served to build the plot for her 30 minute effort.

The feedback session which followed the viewing spanned the gamut of rubbish to insightful but that is to be expected, it is a free country. We should make mention of Ricky Singh’s contribution when he passionately asked government to reverse its current policy on immigration. Ricky seems to know more than the average Barbadian because the promised White Paper on a new immigration policy is yet to be made available for public consumption. BU took umbrage to the tone of his presentation which expressed discuss at how Barbadians and the region have been slow to adopt CSME. He also had some lashes for the media of which he is a part. Whether he likes it or not, the concerns of Barbadians are being echoed all around the Caribbean. Again the concerns of Barbadians were represented two weeks ago by the action of our Caribbean Heads to delay the roll-out of CSME until 2012 because of the very same issue for which we have concerns, movement of people.

Lastly we wish to remind Peter Wickham of the days leading up to the last general election when the Nation newspaper frustrated his effort to publish articles, the blogs assisted him in the cause. Now we have seen him betray us by agreeing with Norman Faria that the blogs need to be censored. Although he did not actually say it he did not offer a denial when Faria made the comment by co-opting his support. We take that Mr. Wickham as acquiescence. Like your former colleague Dr. Don Blackman who lauded the discussions on the blogs prior to election as healthy but recanted soon after, both of you may realize the error of your ways. To reinforce the point we had an email sent to Peter Wickham recently requesting some information to which he has refused to respond, as we said this is a departure from the recent past.

The same behaviour has occurred from someone we thought was a friend of BU, Mr. Stephen Worme of the Barbados Light and Power Company. BU will remain in the wings and quietly observe because as the Bajan saying goes, God does not like ugly.


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418 responses to “Norman Faria Calls For Blogs To Be Censored While Attending Annalee Davis Rookie Attempt to Capture A Serious Topic on Film in Just 30 Minutes”


  1. You believe that all we kept on saying was that we want proper migration policies. You believe, that we treated these people like our brothers and sisters and now they are trying to make us out to be the villains. Just because we realised that there were no proper migration policies and asked a question.

    Mind you it is not only the Guyanese but Jamaicans, Chinese, Japanese Swedish persons and the list goes on. All of this because bajans decided enough was enough and realised our familises livelihood was at stake.

    Now we are being insulted by our guests! I think that the guest should LEAVE!

    You believe that all we want are proper migration policies! And now we could hear all sorts of nasty accusations from these GUESTS!

    I STILL AM ASKING FOR PROPER MIGRATION POLICIES!

    Anon I agree wholeheartedly. Scout warned them this body warn them no one would listen.

    He who have ears to hear let them hear!


  2. Anonymous, JC.
    I always live up to my promises. I didn’t know Browne cut most of what I said. I tried to be middle road. However, I spoke to the P.M’s press secretary and to Stedson Babb, who made the police aware of the article. I think we have stirred up some more interest. I hope this potential dander can be nipped in the bud altough I believe the flower has already opened.


  3. For all who don’t understand
    I’m not looking of strirring up trouble, I’m just trying to save this little country from parasites. Government HAS to make a definitive statement on this immigration policy so that we bajans would know where we stand. This is not an issue to drag feet on as demonstrated today by the guyanese. They are trying to destablise this country, it is up to us to defend our land.


  4. Negroman
    We know how guyanese operate, this can’t be a surprise to us. It is a situation that we were trying to avoid. It appears the horse has bolted and you know this can get NASTY. Those indo-guyanese would stop at NOTHING. Something drastic has to be done by this government NOW to command control of this country or this problem can escalate in a hurry. These indo-guyanese NASTY in every word.


  5. Where is NOrman FArier now?
    He’s probably talking to his big-up friends trying to get them on his side. Patriotism is important right now.


  6. Peter Wickham has and started discussing the guyanese issue – with his usual slant of course.


  7. I heard a Guyanese has been killed in Nelson Street. I hope to God not! If any one has heard please drop a line!


  8. @Peter Wickham

    The ignorance which you continue to manifest on the issue of the obvious open immigration policy practiced by the last administration belies the education which we understand you would have benefited. After making this observation we humbly accept that you are entitled to your view.

    Let us register in the strongest terms that we take offense to the way you are trivializing the concerns of SOME Barbadians and the distortion, deliberate or otherwise to the views being expressed. Most Barbadians we can safely say are not anti-immigration, no Sir! Barbadians have worked alongside immigrants in the sugar industry etc from as long as we can remember. We are against a free for all at our ports of entry.

    The ignorance which you manifest on this matter is so painful that it makes us so sad.

    Have you Sir not heard the Prime Minister and other officials of this fair land express that our primary schools are bursting at the seams with 30+ classes in some instances?

    Have you not listened to the many reports which paint a picture of 10 and 15 immigrants living in one apartment? Do you understand the ramification of such a practice?

    Do you appreciate that Barbados is an island where liberalize foreign exchange does not exist and therefore all the illegals are feeding a black market for foreign currency in this country?

    Mr. Wickham we have asked you to make your poll on the matter of how Bajans feel about illegal immigration public to be exposed to scrutiny.

    Finally Mr. Wickham as a man of numbers why do you lace your arguments like us with heavy doses of opinionism?

    You Sir are on the public airwaves and you have a duty as a Barbadian to desolve your idealistic view into a real and practical approach. To be a regionalist is one thing but you have to appreciate that Barbadians through the years have worked hard and have built a brand which means something in the world. Why do you feel that we should allow it to become diluted by adopting a haphazard approach as espoused by you?


  9. Peter admitted to all of us at Ms. Davis Show that he is in this thing for the money!

    David our issues dont concern him! I guess no one has heard anything!

    No news is ggod news!

  10. Wishing In Vain Avatar
    Wishing In Vain

    Immigration will very shortly receive the full attention of Parliament and until such time I will refrain from making any comment other than to say that we have to carefully examine our situation with regard to the inflows and outflows to this island.

    Somehow I think the previous adminstration got it very wrong in their manner and their approach to this matter, let us not forget the Chinese Four Seasons fiasco.


  11. I’m exhorting all of you as patriotic bajan to stand up for your country ; not only for you but for those who have worked hard to bring us to this stage and for those who is to continue the ground work built by our ancestors and us. this is just a bump in the road, we can overcome it. Show me your PRIDE of country.


  12. Did you hear the caller who said that we should give amnesty for all illegal ( which he has siad before on the programme) – he really means guyanese ( I believe he has guyanese connections) immigrants?

    The same argument he is using, the BLP used in the 1990s and that is why the number of guyanese residents in barbados jumped so high – the argument used then by the BLP was that after this amnesty in the 1990s tighter controls were going to be put in place.

    Well you and I know what happened after that – the numbers of guyanese alone jumped by almost 300%.

    Now some in certain quarters are singing that same song – give them amnesty again- and everything will change for the better.

    Hogwash,complete hogwash.

    An early male caller who said he was married to a guyanese had the most lucid argument – but as is usually the case,once wickham comes up with sound reasoning he gets agitated and starts comparing apples with oranges.

    Thankfully his view is only a minority view.


  13. Anon the people of Barbados will kick up pist about amnesty because they feel threatened.

    How can you give people amnesty who have no respect for your culture, and tell lies on us!

    If this government goese this way I amt elling you the Guyuanese will have to put them back in!


  14. Why CSME is a problem:

    Caricom’s CSME means a Caribbean Single Market and Economy. … whwn fully implemented means the free flow of people and goods and services in ONE economic space with final implementation by 2015.

    Due to the changes in governments and the lukewarm attitude of many towards CSME e,g,. Jamaica, Bahamas., the CSME seems to have stalled. Governments sign on to agreements like the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) and never follow through, therefore CSME implementation is flawed and there is no force within tto force implementation.

    Despite the numerous Caricom meetings and announcements, CSME is not fully understood by the general public in most countries. Sir Roy Trotman said in the Senate that it should have been implemented from the bottom up rather than the top down. I do not think that would have made a difference in Barbados. Prime Minister of Gonsalves of St. Vincent recently said that there was a feeling of “apart-ness” and opposition to the effects of this CSME agreement. The same can be said about Jamaica.

    Gonsalves, at the time was talking in support of the Organization of Eastern Caribbean States or OECS, which consists of eight island territories sharing and integrating their judiciary, central banks and other entities into a regional body with central control…. the eventual aims of CSME.

    The OECS countries have been saying that they already have freedom of movement and many of the things the CSME is aimng for. Many of their leaders are skeptical that CSME will amount to anything, based on the lack of implementation and opposition to free movement and the integration and central controls ,that would limit the scope of some governments if fully implemented.

    Now in regards to Barbados – there is a divide between those who support the CSME realities and those who do not. It has always been my feeling that Barbados should have been part of the OECS, making it even stronger and more effective. That did not happen due to the historical reasons.

    Now OECS is a strong entity and we find Barbados nearby but by itself. Trinidad Guyana and Jamaica,are the only English speaking countries without some strong alignment with another territory. Trinidad has shown no leadership especially in helping out with their oil as the Venezuelans Petro Caribe has done, Jamaica was always anti CSME except for trade, and Guyana has “possibilities” or “potential”, so Owen Arthur and his economic backers saw that as the way to go, thus their strong support.

    The way I see it is like this”
    1. The region has to say clearly and honestly (if that is possible), what they mean by CSME and how and when it will be implemented.
    2. The people from the bottom =up have to buy into the ideas and understand the implications.
    3. If a referendum is needed to join the CSME, then have it so that it is the majority will of the people.
    4. If rejected, then the country can set up whatever controls they think they need for the movement of capital, trade and movement of people. If we still ascribe to CSME then in 2015 we have to open the doors anyway… so the arguments against free movement will not be tenable then. The choice is ours to make now.

    Barbados as a country is at the crossroads. The world has been changing rapidly and there are competitive forces against the vested interests who have controlled Barbados for centuries. The influx of T&T investments in BS&T aand BNB is an example. The hotel sector is mostly foreign owned, sugar is no longer king and the offshore “hideouts”, are being exposed by USA, Canadian and European governments looking for their lost taxes.

    Barbados has to really rethink its economy and where it intends to focus its energies. The last government squandered many resources and incurred heavy debt burdens leaving this government in a quandary as to how to fund its projects and ideas. Added to this many Barbadians are living in debt and above their means – keeping up with their peers – and will not be able to weather a downturn that may come in the world’s economies, that would affect travel and tourism. For a small country, the government is too big and bloated, too much waste and idleness and the unions are ensuring that this continues. This is the same in many other countries where people have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck…At least some Barbadians are frugal and live a sane life – they will be the survivors in an economic downturn.

    So in closing I would say this – A man like Peter Wickman is talking as a supporter of an integrated Caribbean of region of small states within the orbit of CSME agreements. This has been and still is the goal of the politicians and the businessmen within the region. However, the populace in many CSME countries have not “bought into the program”.. so there is the divide.

    People on this Blog like Scout, Negroman, Anononymous, Yardbroom, and JC are looking really for a rejection of the CSME as it now seems to Be implemented – haphazardly- at the expense of Barbados. Although I do not agree with all they have to say… I think they have valid points…. Barbados has to protect itself and its standard of living and its way of life., especially when there is such a disconnect betewwn the CSME and the people in various regions.

    CSME today does not mean that there is free movemnent and you can come and work without a permit as if it is 2015 or whenever CSME is fully implemented… if it ever is…. as I hear they have pushed the date further off. Controls have to be put in place to protect everyone involved.. the people of Barbados as well as the persons entering with permission to work there on a structured but temporary basis. Uncontrolled immigration has already unduly disrupted the equilibrium of the country and it therefore has to be peacefully controlled.

    Peace and Love

    Insight

  15. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    It is quite probable that these illegal immigrations will soon be killing local folk just as the situation that is occuring in San Francisco and other American cities.


  16. Another thought came to mind. What if this is a Trojan Horse move, and attempt to destabilize Barbados. Legend says that the Trojan horse had 3000 soldiers in the belly two spies in the mouth.

    Things that make you go hmmmm!!! If all is Barbados is unsinkable from outside, why not sink it from the inside out.

    This monster as I said we created.

    Stop marrying the guyanese women for marriages of convenience.

    Stop getting the guyanese women pregnant, and getting pregnant for the guyanese men.

    Stop hiding illegal guyanese.

    Stop propogating the slum lord culture.

    Stop trying to be so thieving and robbing by hiring these guyanese for next to nothing, when they are capable bajans available.

    Stop to laize-faire attitude to our Immigration policy.

    Stop the corruption.

    What has Barbados ever done wrong to guyana that it would target us most to destroy? What is it that Barbados wants from guyana that it will sell its soul for? Who is the catalyst behind all this junk?

    Somebody got to know.


  17. Here is one for the BU Family.

    The Guyana Consulate in Barbados has done several things to improve the treatment of Guyanese at Grantley Adams airport

    Stabroek News
    March 23, 2002
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    Dear Editor,

    The ongoing debate in your newspaper about the unfortunate incident in which Guyanese national Huborn David Gaul was taken off a BWIA flight at Barbados’s airport underscores the freeing up of Guyana’s media under a new democratic dispensation.

    I wish to refer to one of the letters (Stabroek News, 15 March 2002) in which the reader asks inter alia “What has the Guyana government done (or can do) to ensure the rights of its nationals travelling abroad are respected?”

    Cabinet Secretary Dr. Roger Luncheon answered this question at his media briefing but couldn’t go into details because of time constraints.

    As far as the Guyana Consulate in Barbados is concerned, your consul has carried out a number of tasks. Within months of taking over in 1994 from my predecessor, the limitations of whose office included the inability to renew passports, I arranged a meeting with the then Chief Immigration Officer in Barbados Ms. Holligan and sectional heads of the Barbados Immigration Department. Among the concerns raised with them was the continued stereotyping of Guyanese arrivals at Grantley Adams International Airport (GAIA).

    I subsequently met her successor Mr Gilbert Greaves and heads. Among other issues discussed, your consul petitioned the Department to allow the wives and children of Guyanese contract workers in Barbados to come and live with their husbands/fathers for the duration of the contract.

    The Department invited your consul (out of the 27 Honorary Consuls in the island) to conduct a session on “the Role of an Honorary Consul” in an in house training programme for Immigration from desk staff. I took the opportunity to remind them of the Consulate’s monitoring of their actions towards Guyanese visitors and the right of the mission under the Vienna Convention to seek redress for my people when their rights are violated.

    Your consul continues to make probes and investigations, speaking directly to supervisors and head of the Department’s Investigations Section, when Guyanese request such representation. They may do so while in Barbados or through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Guyana on their return there. My contact numbers are listed with the Ministry in Guyana and its Barbadian counterpart and at the Barbados Immigration and Customs Departments and airline offices.

    There have been results Guyanese have been permitted entry with expired passports after Consulate assurances, for example.

    There is sometimes little the Consulate can do (more on this later). A case in point is the practice of Barbados Immigration Officers retaining the passports of Guyanese arrivals. When inquiries were made by the Consulate, it was told that Barbadian law allows for this practice if an officer has reasonable grounds to suspect an arrival is bent on trying to circumvent regulations. The Consulate is told that rather than denying the person entry he or she is allowed into the country and the passport is returned on departure. Apparently, this applies to all non nationals and is done in other countries.

    Your consul has registered his concern with the less than satisfactory conditions of the holding rooms at GAIA for those denied entry or awaiting deportation. Reports from Guyanese indicated there were insufficient chairs and, at least in the men’s section, only one bed without sheets or pillow. The issue of insufficient or irregular food given to Guyanese detainees was also raised and recommendations made. The Consulate has further urged that those denied entry or awaiting further questioning should not be forced to sit in full view of arriving passengers (commonly referred to as the “Guyana bench”). A more private area, as is the case at other airports, should be provided.

    With regard to Customs procedures, your consul met with Barbados Comptroller of Customs and the Customs Department’s sectoral heads to raise issues such as methodology in evaluating jewellery worn by Guyanese arrivals. Wrongfully seized jewellery has been returned upon Consulate’s intervention.

    Last year, the Consulate organized a successful Town Hall type meeting for the Guyanese born residents and visitors in Barbados. On hand were senior officials from the Immigration and Customs Departments and the Consulate legal counsel who is a lecturer in law at the University of the West Indies.

    The Consulate’s approach is balanced: it is firm and insistent where appropriate and it is also conciliatory and diplomatic. With regard to the latter, it must be remembered that the Consulate, as with all other Guyanese consular and diplomatic missions abroad, is governed by protocols of the Vienna Convention. We cannot publicly criticize the government of the receiving state, in this case Barbados, or the routine administrative work of its statutory bodies such as the Immigration Department.

    The bulk of the achievements of Guyana government missions in protecting the rights of Guyanese travelling abroad and seeking redress at this conjuncture and taking into account the broader imperatives of regional unity have been accomplished largely through patient, behind the scenes work. This has been complemented by the Guyana government team’s interventions on the issue at Caricom summit meetings and other fora.

    The futile “bull in the china shop” approach is exemplified by a handful of immature nuisances coming to the Consulate’s Town hall meeting and heckling your consul and embarrassing the invited Barbados officials and the rest of decent minded Guyanese of all races and religions who came to this information exchange gathering.

    I wish to touch on wider dimensions of the situation of Guyanese experiencing difficulties at GAIA. Guyanese travelling abroad are advised to always respect the regulations including obeying police instructions of the countries they visit. Against the backdrop of improvements in Guyana’s economy providing more spending money and consequently more opportunities for travel, the overwhelming majority do. Statistics provided to the Consulate indicate the majority of Guyanese arriving at Barbados are permitted to enter without incident.

    As with other nationalities, some are denied entry for several reasons; having tampered with or false documentation, previously overstaying, coming to work without a work permit or to study without a student visa. Some, like drug mules, are jailed.

    Reliable intelligence and statistics reaching the consulate indicate that the number of Guyanese trying to circumvent Barbados Immigration and Customs regulations was considerably greater during the 1970s and 1980s. Fleeing from the harsh economic conditions and lack of democracy at the time, Guyanese came to Barbados among other countries to better themselves and their families. If there were incidents of trying to circumvent regulations (and this happens with any nationality) and if that is still conditioning the response of Barbadian authorities towards our people, this has to be addressed. And it is being addressed through the above mentioned activities and initiatives.

    The question why difficulties experienced by Guyanese at GAIA (and reportedly at other Caricom ports of entry) have effectively become a domestic political issue in Guyana stems from several developments. Among them is the fact that the Guyana media is now more open. Some analysts say it is too open. This compares to the restrictions prior to 1992. People may now print or air their complaints. Some issues are however blown out of proportion by organized anti government interests and the facts skewered for narrow, opportunistic aims.

    A second factor is that Barbados Immigration and Customs operations have become more “efficient”, if I may use that term. Computerisation came on line in 1994 and more security features are in place. It has cut down on those wrong doers getting through relative to what obtained in the 1970s and 1980s. The increased scrutiny has also meant, paradoxically, that innocent persons may be affected.

    Your consul will continue to represent the interests of all Guyanese including Mr. Gaul whose case is now being investigated by the Consulate.

    Yours faithfully,

    Norman Faria,

    Guyana Consul in


  18. Thank you warrior for that article.

    Yardbroom I am sure there are many things in there that can be the starting point for an article from you.

    How about it?


  19. Norman Faria obviously suffers from illusions of grandeur. I cant see educated Guyanese in Barbados associating with this clown. Faria’s misplaced superiority complex is doing a disservice to the Guyanese who he claims to represent. Its not helping their image at all.

    This supposed honoray consul is actually talking down to us in our own country. What next will he do if we let him. The Foriegn Affairs office or Office of the Prime Minister really should summon this tin god and read him the riot act.

    Faria does not seem to understand Barbados is a sovereign state and Guyanese like any other non Barbadians are foreigners. Foreigners cannot set our agenda just as we cant set the agenda of a foriegn country. Faria you like you is a blasted idiot.


  20. Awake
    Are you guyanese? If you are, you speak sensibly. Norman Fartier, is the main proplem facing your people in this country, he’s behaving as though we are a district of guyana and he’s calling the shots. He would soon turn up at my house with some guyanese and demand that I find room for them to live. Tell him when he ready, come, I waiting for him


  21. Insight thanks for your well balanced observation. You dont have to agree with every thing we say but at least I think you understand the validity of some of our points!

    I have a question to ask, if CSME is free movement throughout the Caribbean doesent that means that they should be no need for persons to need citizenship since they can come and go as they like……..

    Why then is every one flocking here and refusing to go back home. They should be no need for persons to want citizenship if there is free movement!

    I am not pleased at all!


  22. We have to be careful not to confuse CSME and the problem which Barbados is battling i.e. a flood of illegals. While CSME currently supports the movement of labour in a few categories the problem of illegals is being facilitated by Guyanese, Jamaicans and others taking advantage which allows Caribbean people to visit on holiday. When the time for holiday has expired they overstay. This has been happening for years. What has made this problem acute in recent times despite what Faria says to the contrary is the depressing economic conditions which are prevailing in Guyana. Barbados and Trinidad because of our relative prosperous economies are attractive to people from the other islands looking to better themselves.

    What is clear despite the idiotic positions of Peter Wickham , we need a measured/managed approach to how we manage the influx of immigrant labour. If we don’t, the structures which have made our country attractive in the first place can disappear overnight. Already we have seen the kind of propaganda arising out of the recent shooting which can hurt Barbados internationally.

    The BU family knows that we have always encouraged debate on this issue and we are pleased to observe the traditional media starting to embrace this issue. As always some people will take extreme positions but we should not lose focus on the real issues here 1). the need to have a managed migration policyand 2) the need to evaluate the soci0-impact of different ethnic groups on our demographic.


  23. One of the worse things the media can do is try to muzzle people from free speech. I’m not saying free in saying whatever you like but one should be able to express one’s self without bias from the media. unless one can express one’s selfit can lead to frustration and that can lead to a number of nagative reactions. That is what a mature media network shouls aim to prevent.


  24. David

    The importance of the blogs was reinforced to me yesterday by this one event.

    Yesterday morning I alerted the readers around 7:50 a.m. that there was a news article in the guyanese Kaiteur newspapers which had misleading statements and outright lies about the shooting incident o f 2 guyanese citizens living in barbados.

    Scout who had earlier warned us about the potential disruption of the country through deliberate acts of guyanese here in barbados – was disturbed by this article which he felt confirmed what he had earlier said wa going to happen.

    Scout then true to his word went on to VOB call in radio and highlighted his concerns about the large presence of non-nationals here and went further by submitting the kaiteur newspaper’s article to stedson babb in the news department of VOB.

    Stedson babb unlike some others took action immediately and drew the article to the police’s attention as well highlighting it in their news bulletin at 5:30 p.m.

    Scout even went further and drew the kaiteur article to the press secretary for the prime minister who we hope would have submitted it to the prime minister.

    What all of this shows to my mind is how we can all play our part in resolving this guyanese issue – and more importantly the importance of the internet and the blogs in these modern times.

    Over and over again others in the traditional media seek to disparage the worthwhile contribution being done by Barbados Underground and Barbados Free Press in covering important socila and political issues the mainstream media refuses to touch as well as giving a voice to the ordinary citizens of this land who going by the stndard of VOB/Mike Brown and the Nation newspapers – would never been heard if left up to them.

    BU and the BU Family we all salute you and we are grateful to you for the work you do.


  25. “The CSME was conceptualized as an arrangement, whereby goods,
    services, people and capital could move without restrictions (technical or
    legal) among member states. It would also provide for the harmonizing of
    Banking Policies regarding foreign exchange and interest rates, tax
    regimes, and a common currency.”

    Also read this speech by the Barbados Minister of Trade & Industry Ronald Toppin made in 2002

    http://www.commerce.gov.bb/fyi/news00p.asp?artid=62

    BU has had a thread on caricom and I agree with Negroman’s comments in this thread:


  26. The Anonymous entry above is from INSIGHT .It was sent before I was ready to enter my name and as you know any blank comments go out as Anonymous

    This is in answer to JC. thanks for your comments on my comments:

    “The CSME was conceptualized as an arrangement, whereby goods,
    services, people and capital could move without restrictions (technical or
    legal) among member states. It would also provide for the harmonizing of
    Banking Policies regarding foreign exchange and interest rates, tax
    regimes, and a common currency.”
    ( tahken from a Caricom document)

    Also read this speech by the Barbados Minister of Trade & Industry Ronald Toppin made in 2002

    http://www.commerce.gov.bb/fyi/news00p.asp?artid=62

    BU has had a thread on Caricom and I agree with Negroman’s comments in that thread:

    http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/caricom-caribbean-integration/

    Insight


  27. Dis issue has obviously become a most intractable 1 as everyone is holdin on 2 their positions and there is no relenting.
    Reaganomics now says let the chips fall where they may and watch.
    Human nature is so predictable and the events have already unfolded as any observer of human nature can predict.
    De Bajan authorities have done the right thing at trying to hush up Saturday’s shooting as much as possible UNTIL FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS. This is a very wise and most pragmatic decision.
    The issue of illegal immigration will not go away, but it requires a sensible pragmatic approach and treatment that has fairness and respect for human rights at its core.
    Reagonomics was planning to come here and taunt…but that’s not in any1’s best interest either since that only revs up people’s ire.
    However, Reaganomics will continue 2 point out the ironies, paradoxes and the dilemmas of the issue at hand.
    This debate has in many instances zeroed in on Indo-Guyanese, who many accuse of importing their own brand of racism.
    Reaganomics’ response to dis is 2 sho dem dat Barbados and Bajans r different n dat dis kind of behavior will not b tolerated. Therefore any managed migration program should include som sort of orientation for these short-term visitors/workers/laborers or whatever u choose to call dem.
    The irony however is that Indo-Guyanese 2 date hav not shown themselves to be the enemy.
    Bajans wil call Caribbean peoples who come 2 work all kinds of nasty names but the white who r working and clinging 2gether in bars on the West Coast r call “expatriates”…many of whom r also illegal…dis however is acceptable. LMAO!
    Who owns all the banks in Btown and repatriates profits to Port of Spain and Toronto? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who controls de distributive sector and manipulates food prices? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who has manipulated the real estate market? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who controls the car dealerships dat jooking out wunna eyes? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who put pressure on the govt to minimize de importation of used cars? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who controls Broad Street and Swan Street and de malls and de shops at de sea port and de airport? Indo-Guyanese?
    De next time u drive up in de Japanese or European made car dat u owe de Canadian or Trinidad bank for to go to de white owned supermarket or to purchase food dat white distributors bring in, to take back to a house dat u got a 30 yr mortgage on with a foreign bank that was built with all imported materials owned by white and Syrian firms…think hard about whether or not de Indo-Guyanese are responsible for all dis.
    Reagonomics says fight de real enemy…


  28. although i think that there is too much xenophobia, racism and hyperbole on this blog with regards to the guyanese situation I must agree that Peter Wickham talks alot of BS on this issue. I find he clearly has a pro integration at all costs agenda. In fact he seems to have an antiestablishment agenda period. Although i share his views on the dangers of fundamentalism ( in particular christian) and homophobia I find that he is too disrespectful of Barbadian Standards. I think he does a disservice to those who are in fvaour of the chnages he suggest by being so confrontational and disengenuous!


  29. His is another clear example of some1 holding onto to an ideological position no matter what…he sounds more like a high school debater than a serious thinker.


  30. Everyone knows that I am against unregulated inflow of immigrants into Barbados especially the indo-guyanese immigrants.I believe that emphasis should also be place on the chinese,white and the immigrants from Asia.Those immigrants also bring their prejudices with them.I am deeply concern with the chinese immigrants .They come with a mission to conquer and take charge.I have little or no regard for whites but I find some of them more tolerable to the norms and customs of a society.
    A concern of mine with the immigrants from the Caribbean especially those from Guyana is the lack of educational ability in those immigrants.Many of them do not have the basic o’level certificates that could enhance they oppurtunities to be retrain and be more flexible in this dynamic and complex labour force we have in Barbados.The majority of the immigrants is skilled only in the field of artisan .That is the immigrants are either masons,carpenters,plumbers or labourers.Many of those immigrants lack the zeal or enthusiasm or they do not have the foresight to take in educational courses to improve their qualificatios and a chance to be retrain.It is inevitable that there will be a fall off in construction and when this happens what will these semi-skilled,unskilled people do.
    It will interesting to know how many if any immigrant is leaving work on evenings and attending educational classes to make themselves more qualified and marketable.I do not think much of them attend classes.
    Besides the racism associated with many of these ethnic groups that I am guarding against the strain & drain the immigrants will put on our social services and hence maybe a collapse in those services are of real concerns to Negroman.Therefore manage migration is of paramount importance to save this country from destruction.
    PM Thompson act now.


  31. And to think these guyanese only doing it in barbados and mean slandering our name…..why dont the try it in america and the uk who also have the same problems up there with them…..stupse….it is really sickening


  32. Reaganomics
    Who is robbing the locals of jobs; the guyanese.
    Who is contributing to the housing problem in B’dos; the guyanese
    Who is producing some poor construction services; the guyanese
    Who is contributing to our poor health standards; the guyanese
    Who is causing serious problems for our police force; the guyanese
    Who is causing the biggest problem for our immigration system; the guyanese.
    Which group is most arrogant; the guyanese.
    Which group is most racist; the guyanese.
    These are just a few of the problems we have with the guyanese. That’s why we have to control them. we have to keep them at a level where we can monitor their movements and keep them in check. A close look must also be kept on the chinese even though them keep very much to themselves. All nationalities who try to swarm this country has to be controlled. right now the focus is on the guyanese because right now I seem to be seeing guyanese everywhere I go and in their numbers.


  33. I heard through the grapevine that we’re to get a statement from the administration on the guyanese pretty shortly. The silence of norman fartier is hurting my ears.


  34. my thoughts exactly… I feel that they must be a give and take when we consider the practicalities.

    For example in the discussion of christianity …he does not need to be rude and dismissive


  35. @ Negroman

    It’s very pleasing that you are making your very valid points in a different tone…this is the key 2 good negotiation and debate. Once the rhetoric is charged, people tend 2 get on the defensive and offensive and it brings out the worst in human nature as opposed to sound reason.

    @ Scout…
    I’m not sure that you can validate all your claims. But they seem 2 be rooted in deep-seated fear which easily translates to paranoia, anger and hate. These are your questions.

    1. Who is robbing the locals of jobs; the guyanese.
    RE: How many educated or other Bajans are willing 2 work in agriculture and/or construction? Which jobs are the guyanese robbing from bajans?
    Barbados needs more marketers, doctors, nurses, pharmacists, chemists, scientists, statisticians, actuarials scientists, oncologists, physiotherapists, software developers, translaters/interpreters, specialized teachers. These are all areas where the island urgently needs professionals. Are the guyanese taking these jobs?
    2. Who is contributing to the housing problem in B’dos; the guyanese
    How are the guyanese contributing to the housing problem? Did they push up the cost of land? Can they go to a local bank if they’re illegal as you claim and compete for a mortgage?
    3. Who is producing some poor construction services; the guyanese
    If their service is so horrible why would the average bajan or local constuction firm continue 2 hire them? This doesnt seem to make business sense to me. There are cases of bad work but if it is as widespread as u r suggesting then the market will determine and stop hiring guyanese. This has not happened after 20 yrs of importing (legally or otherwise) guyanese labor.
    3. Who is contributing to our poor health standards; the guyanese
    Are the guyanese responsible for the diabetic crisis? Are the guyanese responsible for the diets of bajans? Are the guyanese responsible for the sexual behavior of others?
    How are they contributing to poor health standards?
    Are the guyanese responsible for the mess at the QEH?
    Who is causing serious problems for our police force; the guyanese
    Reaganomics will admit here that there is statistical evidence to support this claim and Reaganomics knows that these persons are dealt with thru the appropriate channels of the law and/or are deported forthwith.
    Who is causing the biggest problem for our immigration system; the guyanese.
    This is true too. Reaganomics has seen the fake IDs and passports that these agents have to contend with on a weekly basis.
    And Reaganomics will tell you that in person and in private, Mr. Faria admits to the wrongdoings of his compatriots but his job as honorary consul is to represent the best interests of that country’s citizens. He’s doing a very good job at it.
    However, the claims seem to hyperbolic and alarmist and this does no good if Barbados is to have a just and fair immigration policy. And yes there should be screening for communicable diseases as is done in Bermuda.
    4. Which group is most arrogant; the guyanese.
    5. Which group is most racist; the guyanese.
    To these last two questions, Reagonomics would ask you to substantiate your claims. Arrogance is relative and racism is a sense of superiority of one race over another that is manifested in unjust and unfair treatment of that race over the other.
    If you say that Indo-guyanese do not tend to integrate then Reaganomics will agree with you and ask what policies are in place 2 encourage integration since most migrants will not integrate in the first generation.
    Human nature!


  36. Reaganomics
    I’ll answer you Item by item. Before I do that let me say that I am speak from first hand knowledge.
    1. Question: Which jobs are guyanese robbing bajans of
    Answer: Primarily, construction jobs. A guyanese would come on a work sight and would accept any job other than electrician because he would need a license. Defends what job it is he might have to buy tools but he brings along some-one else who has as idea of what’s going on to work with him. In most cases the quality of work is compermised. Also the females rob a lot of locals of domestic jobs E.G maids, nannies. They offer a reduced pay to the locals in exchange for a meal. i could go furture but there are more questions to answer.
    2. Question: How are guyanese contributing to the housing problem?
    Ans: If a house is offered for rent for, let’s say, $ 400.00. A bajan man/woman would ask for a reduction, if possible, because he wants it for his/her family. A guyanese would increase the offer to say $ 500.00. The greedy bajan would jump at that and give it to the guyanese. He then brings in another 10 persons to share the house. Sometimes he/her works out the sub-rentals that he/she makes more than the owner. Again i can go furture.
    3A. Question: Who is producing the poor construction.
    Ans: There are a number of large construction projects right now that are spending large sums of money to coverup some bad bad work E.G walls not straight, rooms not square so roof is twisted, plastering blown etc.
    3B. Question: how is the guyanese contributing to poor health standards?
    Ans.: As their culture in guyana they would just clear a spot in some piece of abandoned lot, put in some sticks and cover it whole thing with zinc (galvinise ), no floor. They would use the bushes nearby to do their natural duties and when you pass close the smell would kill you. I even know of a group that erected a three side room on to the side of a pig pen that housed pigs they were looking after.
    4. Question:Which group is most arrogant/ racist.
    Ans. : permit me to answer these two together. Indo-guyanese in particular believes that they are superior to blacks, hence they look down at blacks as slave and inferior to them. Anytime there is inter-relationship between indo and black, they dis-own that person and any off spring are called names that are worse than nigger. They famous words are ” Indian rules”.
    I could expand on every question asked and I speak from first hand knowledge. What is also true about the indo-guyanese is that they are capable of almost anything. In a drunken frency, they would stab you, rob you even if he/she consider you a friend, plus they are the easiest people to commit suicide. I’ve seen so much of this while living and working in that country for a multi-national company. They just don’t have any morals and they would tell you so. I’m fearful,yes, because I’m beginning to see aspects of these thing creeping into barbados. The more they come the more the culture will increase until there would be nothing we can do about it. When that happens, WE’RE DOOMED.


  37. Reaganomics
    I hope I’ve answered your questions. There is much more I can say from first hand information but it would that way way too much space. I’ve travelled the length and breath of guyana while working. That country is queerly unique. In true bajan terms ‘ a feela would rob he mudda to get through.” Once he/she was brought up that way, there is no change because they now live here. There is the old bajan saying ” If you put a pig in a three piece suit, he would still waddle in mud.”


  38. Scout

    I support you.I know what you are saying is true.

    There are people in this country who think it is cute to try to portray everyone who raise the immigration flag – as ignorant,ill informed,xenophobic,lacking in education and reasoning and on and on.

    I have heard you scout,and wishing in vain say government is about to make a public statement soon about this immigration issue – and I hope this is so and that it will be very soon.

    I expect no papering over,or no wishy washy comment from the government on this matter.

    I want specifics on deportation,

    specifics on changes to the immigration policy on citizenship,work permits etc.

    I want a speedy and thorough investigation into the granting of passports,citizenship,work permits,permanent residences – and the revocation of fraudulent decisions.

    I want fingerprinting done at the airport and ports of entry.

    I want NO AMNESTY, nor FREE EDUCATION OR HEALTH SERVICES to illegals or their children.

    I want huge fines and/or jail time for persons who harbour illegals.


  39. Anonymous
    Right now, the USA is very worried about the influx of illegal guyanese espectially indians, who are in their country. In fact USA is looking at helping the JAgdeo government to keep the guyanese at home. Unlike us, most of those leaving the country are the educated ones and it’s draining the country of vital needs. Also the amount of persons awaiting visas is causing alarm in the USA. This problem is not unique to USA. Canada and to a lesser degree Britain is also facing this problem.
    It is said that if all those requesting visas were granted, guyana would be less than half the population they now have. At this point in time, while other countries are grappling with a drastic increase in population, guyana is decreasing repidly. Guyana is welcoming persons to come and live and lease large amounts of land for as little as U.S $ 5.00 per acre per year, if you want to pay.
    Why don’t the agricultural guyanese workers here, go back home and work their land instead of harrassing locals to allow them to work theirs. Where is the patriotism? The answer is “THERE IS NONE.”


  40. I want those bajans who are encouraging the guyanese, remember the old bajan saying ” wa sweeten goat mout gine bun he ass.”


  41. There is too much generalization 2 the above argument and we’ve heard the identical statements of disgust leveled against West Indian blacks in the UK, Canada and certainly in the US – ironically by other black as well.
    Again, human nature.
    Reaganomics also speaks from firsthand knowledge of working with a regional office in Guyana and having traveled the length and breadth of that most beautiful country.
    If we’re to follow Ralph Gonsalves’ wisdom, this very Guyana will one day become the Caribbean’s food basket and many of u will have 2 literally eat humble pie. That day is not too far away.
    Just watch and see.

    On the issue of immigration policy. Reagonomics can only hope that a true consultative approach is followed; i.e A green paper (intention) that is discussed in public then refomulated into a white paper (policy) that is again discussed in public, then formalized in2 public policy.
    If the govt responds 2 generalizations that r not rooted in or informed by proper research n data, then it’s likely to produce a policy that responds to public emotion and seeks to be popular.
    These kinds of policies invariably come back 2 haunt u.
    The respect for human rights, dignity, justice and fairness must be the core principles guiding any public policy.
    So all those who think that the answer is to withhold education and health from illegals – Reagonomics can only say, “lord have his mercy.” Such a vindictive and stupid policy will eventually wreak more havoc than good.
    I trust that collectively bajans r more intelligent than some of the nonsense being espoused here.


  42. Reaganonmics
    Stop thinking so BIGHEADED or PIGHEADED, I hate when intellegent people would want to link little Barbados with USA or Britain. Why should we in barbados, which had a population density problem even before the influx of these immigtants be forced to accept this culture/ situation? Guyana is bigger than Britain, thewre are islands in one of their rivers, Esequibo, that are bigger or similar in size to little barbados. Yes. I agree and I’ve stated before, if CSME is serious then the regional heads should develop large farms in guyana and feed the whole of the caribbean. Instead we’re grappling with the problem of unpatriotic guyanese who is running from their country to inconvinience others. Where is the unity within the region? Most of the problem starts with the regional leaders but we the ordinary people can’t and wouldn’t accept the problem that is developing. Which of the leaders has the balls to tell Jagdeo to get his act together? None. Why should we then take the backlash


  43. Reaganonmics
    Stop thinking so BIGHEADED or PIGHEADED, I hate when intellegent people would want to link little Barbados with USA or Britain. Why should we in barbados, which had a population density problem even before the influx of these immigtants be forced to accept this culture/ situation? Guyana is bigger than Britain, thewre are islands in one of their rivers, Esequibo, that are bigger or similar in size to little barbados. Yes. I agree and I’ve stated before, if CSME is serious then the regional heads should develop large farms in guyana and feed the whole of the caribbean. Instead we’re grappling with the problem of unpatriotic guyanese who is running from their country to inconvinience others. Where is the unity within the region? Most of the problem starts with the regional leaders but we the ordinary people can’t and wouldn’t accept the problem that is developing. Which of the leaders has the balls to tell Jagdeo to get his act together? None. Why should we then take the backlash. Most of us would share with others but we can share everything and then have nothing or maybe have it taken from us. That can’t work. In the end these BIG BOYS living large, no influx will bother them. I see the same thing in guyana, I’ve been in BIG BOYs houses that carries elevators on the inside, while less than half mile away people who would die for them living in shacks without a floor, or better with a dirt floor. Do you want that for Barbados? God forbid.


  44. Why is it that no one govt dept can give a best guesstimate as to how serious this alleged and supposed problem is with illegal migrants. There are several techniques that can b used to glean this info.
    If as u bajans r saying that most of the illegals are in agriculture and construction, then it should be very easy to guesstimate how many illegals are in the island and exactly where to find them too. Dont u think?
    Eg. The amount of plantations in full time production + all the construction projects (this info can b had from the Town & Country planning dept).
    Then u can say that, for example, 35% of the labor quota is imported and of this, 30% are not above board. This seems pretty str8 4ward 2 me.
    The problem my dear friend is that there r not as many illegals as u may think and the govt is 2 embarassed 2 admit that all these work permits were given out.
    Govt has the capability right now, within 1 mth, to go on every construction site and every plantation yard and round up foreign workers and illegals and send them packing.
    But govt is wise and also knows that by doing that, both these sectors would collapse IMMEDIATELY. So there is a pragmatic tolerance of illegals, esp in construction which is keepin a shaky and vulnerable economy buoyant.
    I also remember very distinctly as a student in England in the 70s (not an illegal, mind you) when there were signs on apts that read “NO IRISH, NO DOGS, NO BLACKS!” (And my grandparents are white English citizens) Go figure!


  45. Bermuda & The Bahamas have very strict immigration laws.Immigrants cannot become citizens of Bermuda or The Bahamas just because that person marries a citizen of those countries.They are not entitle to purchase property in those countries neither.
    Why can’t little Barbados adopt a similar policy.I remembered our last Prime Minister Owen Arthur made the statement that our lands must attract rthe highest economic value and if that entalis our land going to foreign people so be it.That callous and reckless approach to our land policy have us in this predicament.Also Billie Miller said that our land will be for the highest bidder and her government will never introduce alien land holding legislation.No wonder we have all these nationalities scrambling for piece of the rock.Where has this left our people.
    I hope this document that Scout talks about will be comprehensive and will contain strong measures nothing wishy washy.I want it to contain no amnesty for illegals,no free benefits from our social services,no citizenship to illegals even to their children borned in Barbados.no rights whatsoever to any of the benefits that we Barbadians have .A comprehensive review of all citizenship given to foreigners over the lasdt 15 years.Revocation of citizenship that dubious.No issuing of work permits for jobs that Barbadians can perform.That document should contain provision that mass deportation of illegals will take place.nothing less will make Negroman happy.I want to see the demographics of Barbados remain the way it is now.Over 90 % black .I want no large indian.european,chinese or no other ethnic group in Barbados.
    I WANT BARBADOS TO REMAIN BLACK


  46. All i can say is dat Negroman makes me LMAO.
    In addition to being black in color, Reagonomics trusts dat u want 2 c it black in ownership as well cuz that’s certainly not the case now.


  47. It is getting there.we need leaders with foresight and balls.We will build a strong black comglomerate that will rival Barbados & Shipping & Trading.We are getting the expertise.The black world soon will not have to depend on the handout from Europe or Asia.That why we must support Mugabe,Mbeki and all the progressive African leaders.
    European domination of the world is coming to an end.
    PM Thompson introduce affirmative action for blacks.


  48. Reaganomics
    As Barrack said about Mc Cain ” you are out of touch”. Plantations is not the only place do agriculture. These indo-guyanese is working lots of bajan people land, also they are working land that was fallow for years. Once they see land unused they are ploughing it up and planting (same thing they would do in guyana. Only recently, I know a man passed and saw his land ploughed, he said nothing but waited until the land was planted and crop ready and brought the police and did the reaping. That was had but they just operate like that. Two of the guyanese threatened the man and were deported the same night or early next morning.


  49. @ Scout
    Is there anywhere in Reagonomics’ post where it is claimed that plantations are the only place where agriculture takes place?
    Reagonomics was trying to show that it’s possible to come up with a best guesstimate on how many illegals are in the country.
    COMPREHENSION?


  50. @ Negroman

    It is getting there.we need leaders with foresight and balls.We will build a strong black comglomerate that will rival Barbados & Shipping & Trading.We are getting the expertise.The black world soon will not have to depend on the handout from Europe or Asia.That why we must support Mugabe,Mbeki and all the progressive African leaders.
    European domination of the world is coming to an end.
    PM Thompson introduce affirmative action for blacks.
    ******************************************
    YOU GO MAN! WE’RE BEHIND U ALL THE WAY! LMAO!

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