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During the Budgetary Proposal Debate in the House of Assembly between Tuesday and Thursday engaged in a historic debate. It was a debate which saw the delivery of Prime Minister David Thompson’s first budget. During the debate a point was raised by Minister of Tourism Richard Sealy which has gotten very little coverage but has raised some alarm in the BU household. Minister Sealy announced to the nation that an outstanding loan of 58 million, in the name of Hotel and Resort Barbados Ltd (HRL) has now grown to 250+ million. What should be instructive to Barbadians is the reason posited by Minister Sealy as to why the previous BLP government allowed the HRL debt to mount.

Our recollection is that he said ‘someone’ in the Ministry of Finance communicated to the Ministry of Tourism (responsible for HRL) that the real estate property in Barbados was rising and would eventually equalize the HRL loan (58 million) plus interest. Minister Sealy shocked the BU household when he went on to announce that the HRL properties in question have been valued and are worth 70 million dollars. We should remind the BU family that former Prime Minister Owen Arthur and Junior Minister of Finance Clyde Mascoll managed the HRL ‘mess’ in the months leading up to the last general election. We should also remind the BU family that this is the same Clyde Mascoll who had fought a valiant battle using the now famous JAWS argument.

This is the reference point we have used since then, to argue the point when Mascoll crossed the floor, that he had thrown his political career down the toilet. By now we all know that Mascoll is not a politician anyway.

The revelation that people in high places in our government would have made a decision based on speculation is scary. We are surprised that we have not seen the revelation by Minister Sealy thoroughly investigated to date by the Barbados media. But are we entitled to say: What is new?

Even as we bang out the words to this blog we have an eye on CNN network which has been analyzing the news of another failed mortgage company Indymac Bank in the United States. It is no secret that the US financial market has been groggy in the aftermath of the sub-prime fallout and in more recent times the failure and bailout of Bear Stearns. However it is the Indymac failure which has caught our attention. According to analysts the quality of mortgages which have been disbursed by Indymac are highly suspect. It seems that not unlike the Ministry of Finance in the HRL matter, when ‘someone’ speculated that the value of HRL properties would rise to equalize the rising bank debt, it is the same approach which was being taken by Indymac Bank, one of speculation.

According to analysts the failed bank had been issuing mortgages while speculating that the value of the properties taken as collateral would rise in value. The recent spiral in the property market in the United States has obviously blown this approach to smithereens. Has the BU family seen the common position in the two situations outlined? For so many Barbadians there is the perception that the much more developed United States would know the folly of build a financial market on a base of NINJA loans. We would have thought that the rich legacy of governance which Barbados has enjoyed would have recognized the folly in the decision to not service a 58 million dollar loan while speculating on the value of HRL property value rising to compensate.

In the two cases we have highlighted how the PEOPLE were duped, In the case of HRL Barbados Ltd, by the government of Barbados. In the case of Indymac Bank, by the greed of the private sector. It seems that the PEOPLE are always playing catch-up.


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29 responses to “IndyMac Bank + HRL Barbados Ltd = Idiocy”


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  2. Clyde Mascoll’s heart was in the wrong place … .. he was trully a dissapointment and he alowed Owen to put the final nail in his political asperations.. anyway the real issue at hand.. HRL dept is simply another one on the BLP noose placed around the necks of young people like me and our children… yet we expect the world from a Budget with so much limits… stupess .. come on bajans… we spent like crazzy .. borrowed like we mad and I in sure what we expected.. but we gottah pay it back.. Its trully a shame that we have not been servicing HRL dept.. I wish I could do that with my house lol lol …. I honestly am not supprised by Owen but Mascoll lol lol.lol he should be shame to hold his head up in Barbados.. because GEMS/JAWS and HRL are all apart of his claim to fame..


  3. Why should we pay back anything? old man Bird in Antigua say he never see a country get repossess so borrow! The Government should just tell everyone f#$@ off and let whoever take the foolish hotels which never going to make money anyhow.


  4. Incredible! A pattern emerges!

    I recently published a story about FCIB making loans to Classic, with no financials on file. (Plus, I am preparing a story on another bank who loaned money to yet another unknown company without financials.)

    I would like to ask two questions:
    1. Who is on the Board of Directors for Hotel and Resort Barbados Ltd?
    2. Who approved the loan?


  5. First of all, BFP ban’ me again. Changed my IP, email and handle. Can’ get past. Man they surely ’ve got an agenda.

    Second of all David guy, if I am to contact you please change the gif of a White guy holding a hand set to his ear. Insult me yea, but not in public. It is not that I speak only to Blacks; I do very well with all people of any kind of orientation including dwarfs, homosexuals and other considered ‘inappropriates’ (let’s start a campaign to ban that word) who are up front and brave about their sense of worth.

    Hey friend deal with CNN if you must but there are no idiots here or in the US. These people are very aware of what they are doing.

    “We would have thought that the rich legacy of governance which Barbados has enjoyed would have recognized the folly in the decision to not service a 58 million dollar loan while speculating on the value of HRL property value rising to compensate.”

    You have proven yourself to be inteligent , why would you want to say something like this?


  6. War on Terra – war on earth. The gang of criminal bastards are at it again. Indymac did’nt just happen in a vacuum, this is all part of one big master plan along with the destruction of Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, the Sudan, Nigeria …… its all part of this war on terra, war on us. This is the final countdown and its gonna get worse before it ever gets better, and Barack Obama is no Knight in shining armour, he’s just another treacherous marionette. His handler is Zbigniew Brezenski, a master manipulator and autjor of “The Grand Chess Board.” The Federal Reserve, which is neither federal, nor reserve and does’nt have to answer to the US gov’t nor the people, is just sucking the air out of the US, and its minions in Barbados are playing their part. They put their fiat currency out there and make the people pay interest on it, usury, usury,and then they suck the life blood out of them. And still the robotic masses get all worked up behind these pinstriped prostitutes waiting for the crumbs to fall from the table. Indy mac’s deposits did’nt just disappear into thin air, they were stolen and you wonder why the US wants to take away the people’s right to bear arms! Imagine having half a mil in that bank and being told that you’re only insured for 100,000. Call in the Red Cross, cause blood will be flowing in the streets soon. WAR UP NORTH, WAR DOWN SOUTH, WAR IN THE EAST, WAR IN THE WEST EVERYWHERE IS WAR. People we gotta shake this evil energy that’s egulfing us.


  7. Listening to the news there is talk that the FDIC has 90 banks on a Watch List. Imagine of word is leaked about the names of these banks what will happen. It was a Senator who went public on Indymac Bank and as they say the rest is history.

    Could we be seeing a crisis in the financial industry in the US? Heavens forbid!

    @Keltruth

    This is the new Board:

    NEW BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR HOTELS AND RESORTS LIMITED

    Government has announced a new six member Board of Directors to the Hotels and Resorts Limited (HRL). It is headed by former trade unionist David Bowen.

    According to a senior tourism official, “Hotels and Resorts Ltd. is a limited liability company incorporated under the Companies Act, Cap. 308. The company is jointly owned by the Government of Barbados and private sector interests known as ‘the Hotel Owners’ or ‘the minority shareholders’”.

    The other members of the Board are: Deputy Chairman, Ian Knight; John Cole; David Moore; the Chairman of the Barbados Tourism Investment Inc. or his nominee; and the Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Finance or his nominee.

    The appointments took effect from May, 2008. (TB)

    The old Board was headed by David Shorey.


  8. “US banking regulators swooped in to seize mortgage lender IndyMac Bancorp Inc. on Friday after withdrawals by panicked depositors led to the third largest-banking failure in US history.

    California-based IndyMac, which specialized in a type of mortgage lending that often required minimal documents from borrowers, became the fifth US bank to fail this year as a housing bust and credit crunch strain financial institutions”. This extract was taken from a news article under the heading:” Indy Mac seized as financial troubles spread”, on Reuters.com.

    Whereas, the particular circumstances that have led to this US financial institution, IndyMac Bankcorp Inc, having become, according to the story on Reuters.com, the third largest-banking failure in US history, and too whereas the particular situation across the US is that this failed mortgage lender and its branches are now being run by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp (FDIC), are of ABSOLUTELY NO relevance to the financial sector and its operations in Barbados, the fact of the matter THOUGH is that because the nature and functioning of the banking and credit union movement in Barbados are based on some of the same Eurocentric banking and financial principles that have been adhered to by US banking institutions, must therefore mean that there is an inescapable need for a total overhaul of the financial system in Barbados, before a serious financial calamity that has far-reaching social and political effects comes about in the country.

    Firstly, the fact of the matter is that there is a real and urgent need for new political leadership in this country and that would play a fundamental role in the necessary overhauling of the financial system in Barbados. As it stands right now the two old and archaic parties – the DLP and BLP – are in NO position NO position to provide such leadership – and it is time that thousands more in Barbados recognize that this is the case and therefore resolve to STOP electing BLP and DLP Governments in this country, and to start thinking about electing A PDC Government for the benefit of this country.

    Secondly, we in PDC have been on a daily basis exhorting many people in Barbados to understand and accept that there are at least three fundamental actions that must be taken in any re-direction and re-volutionization of the financial system in Barbados. Indeed, these actions are really needed to TOTALLY counter the fact that the core of Euro-centric banking and financial policy and practice has long been absolutely wickedly designed to, on one extreme, enormously benefit esp. white European elites and most of their descendants, and to, on the other extreme, massively destroy or suppress other non-white non-European peoples, globally speaking.

    However, Thank goodness hundreds upon hundreds in Barbados are satisfied with what we are saying and doing so far in regard of those matters. So, these actions of a future PDC Government shall be :

    1) The Abolition of Interest Rates;

    2) The Making sure that Institutional Loans for productive purposes shall become non-repayable; and,

    3) The Making sure that financial institutions in Barbados be made to earn real income principally by way of their having direct ownership or investment in commercial and business enterprises in the country, and – in addition to the immediate aforegoing – their doing more to add value to those financial products and services they would be offering to the public, by enhancing what they already now offer to the public – less those repugnant politically exploitative features, and by creating then new and exciting non-politically exploitative financial schemes for the benefit of owners, depositors and investors.

    Finally, we must make it clear that with such far-reaching and progressive changes coming about in Barbados the way shall be made more open for the unprecendented, great social material and financial growth and development of this country. What such great and paradigmatic changes shall also guarantee is a drastic immense movement away from the very destructive Eurocentric colonialist legacies that many of us in Barbados have foolishly inherited and which right now are helping cause great harm to the masses and middle classes of people in Barbados and even greater catastrophic harm in the US of all places – a country that has prided itself in repudiating or rejecting many Euro-centric beliefs and practices.

    PDC

  9. Wishing In Vain Avatar
    Wishing In Vain

    The People’s Democratic Congress,

    How many votes did you amass in the last election??

    Was it more than your household?


  10. Where can I see the GEMS financials online anybody?

  11. Livinginbarbados Avatar
    Livinginbarbados

    Not detracting from your story, events move fast and CNN reported that “IndyMac Bank, closed Friday by federal regulators, will reopen Monday with a new charter and a new name — IndyMac Federal Bank.” (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/07/13/indymac/index.html).

    This report could be a fake, though; you know those dastardly media types 🙂


  12. @Livinginbarbados

    Thanks for the update. It looks like yet another bailout by the Feds. Deposit insurance in the US covers depositors up to $100,000.00 so they will have to open to service those clients and also take payments for mortgages.


  13. am David you stated that Indymack BANK is a mortgage company, it is an actual bank. Please take the time, sometime, to watch the following

    You will then come to realize that what occurred with Indymac bank is the fear of all banks, no matter what.


  14. BU i read your article a couple of times and i none the wiser. How could the Loan of 50 million grow as a result of an increase in real estate value????? how could the original loan of 50 mil grow to 250+ mil. I am confuse please set me straight.


  15. @Adrian

    We are going on what Minister Richard Sealy reported in his contribution during the budget i.e. there was a debt outstanding in the name of HRL for about 58 million. The previous government did not service this loan i.e. they never sought to payback the bank and the loan plus interest has grown to 250 million plus balance. Obviously this would have transpired over several years.

    The Minister went on to explain that documention which he has seen since assuming government shows that someone in the finance ministry had put forward the case that with property value increasing the value of the HRL property should have grown to equal the 250 million outstanding. The minister went on to rebuff this position by indicating that a current valuation of the HRL property indicates a value of 70 million.


  16. Thanks for the education Adrian. Makes us ask the question when will it all come tumbling down!

  17. Livinginbarbados Avatar
    Livinginbarbados

    This is a “story” that really begs for a bit of proper investigation before you push stuff onto the web, leaving a lot of supposition floating around. The pieces don’t hang together, and are based on a half remembered “remark”, so it’s hard to know what to do with them. Maybe your desire to remain anonymous limits doing certain kinds of investigation but there are some basic facts that are just not there. The origins of the loan (document, amount, terms, collateral, etc). The valuation of the property (when done, by whom, reasons for change of valuation etc.) Too much like Chinese whispers.


  18. @Livinginbarbados

    We have reported what we heard a Minister of the crown narrated during his presentation regarding the inheritance of challenges with debt concerning the HRL and Hilton companies. we are not the Nation newspaper and we are sure others must have heard what we heard. If you feel that we are wrong why don’t you prove us so. You would be doing a good deed for the BU family.

    If Hansard was immediately available then we could easily confirm.

  19. Livinginbarbados Avatar
    Livinginbarbados

    Hansard wont confirm the basic facts regarding the loan, its servicing arrangements and the property valuations (these should be matters of existing record), merely what the Minister is reported to have said. The real issue is not what the Minister said but what is going on, and what that may mean. As Adrian Hinds says, one is none the wiser for having read the article several times.

  20. Livinginbarbados Avatar
    Livinginbarbados

    Likewise, with the “Money as debt” video, which is really text book economics. If you put the word “danger” next to a topic that many people may/do not understand, that does not mean there is a real danger. We could read a whole bunch of statues, or rules of conduct, or texts on physics and say the law is scary, the way the sun rises and sets is a conspiracy, etc. Who is controlling the world’s levers to make water run down hills?

    What a thought, let government just create “money” with the promise of it being backed by valuable projects (roads, etc.). Perhaps one should look at all those imaginary projects that have crippled a bunch of developing countries and wonder where the “value” went. Mainly into nice fat bank accounts. Not much value left for the poor inhabitants. Mucho value left in the hands of ex-government officials. Ay Caramaba!


  21. @Livingbarbados

    Let us assume that Minister Richard Sealy stood-up in parliament and made false utterances as reported under this blog. The fact that standing order rules were not invoked is instructive don’t you think? In other words the people don’t have to be in possession of all the facts in every situation because they are others charged with the PEOPLE’s business to intervene on our behalf. To stop this story short nobody from the BLP side challenge what Sealy stated both in the case of HRL and Hilton which he reported no has to service a debt of 70 million from 15 million revenue.

    Don’t forget we called on the traditional media to investigate this story further. We think there is an expose warranted. Another case of squandermania of public funds.


  22. David,
    …You know what I find hard to understand? How come after 6 months we are still none the wiser on the following:
    1) GEMS
    2) Greenland
    3) The Prison and the VECO connections
    4) The Oil Terminal scandal
    5) The Warrens NHC building
    6) What is happening at Paradise
    7) Hardwood
    8) ABC highway details
    8) etc etc

    You would think that this new Government would make haste to come clean, publicly- for the following reasons:
    1 – It would clearly tag the existing problems as BLP problems, BLP debt, BLP folly……

    2- It would set the stage where Bajans could understand any need for belt tightening, and even why ITAL had to be delayed.

    Bush tea is betting that the problem relates to the influence of a certain level of bureaucrats who are averse to sharing information to the public and who were deeply involved in the original shenanigans that went on over the past 8 years…. of course I refer to the untouchable civil service…

    Whatever the cause, the DLP is missing a great opportunity to create a new environment of openness and transparency which is vital to ITAL.

    For one thing, Prime Minister Thompson should immediately MANDATE EACH AND EVERY Government department and Statutory Corporation to bring their accounts up-to-date by year-end or face takeover by a national oversight body headed by the Auditor General.
    ………Every little club has to prepare audited accounts annually….this is ridiculous!!!

    …It is worrying how so many things are continuing to be bad business as usual…


  23. @BT

    We have said it before the credibility of the David Thompson administration hinges squarely of somebody going to prison. If this doesn’t happen it will be perceived come next election as a business as usual government, pure and simple.


  24. David it is obvious to me that “LivinginBarbados” has an agenda, that i am not privy to, even as he/she/it would have referred to me as if i was in some supporting role. I merely wish to understand the Minister’s statements, end of story. I couldn’t begin to understand what your anonymity has to do with anything.

    ……OK, i now understand the context, of the alleged statement, that suggest, an assumed rise in property value, will lead to the property in question being able to pay for itself or, some loan made against it. I did hear Mascoll gleefully refer to the high cost of real estate, as a good thing with regards to the price the GoB got, for Eastry house, and this was sometime after he had dismissed the concerns of ordinary Barbadians about said high real estate prices. However i am still in the dark about the loan and it’s increase. I do agree that access to Hansard would have allowed us to review what the Minister said for clarity and accuracy.


  25. @Adrian

    You got it Adrian!

    it is really stupid that in 2008 the PEOPLE cannot access Hansard online. Maybe Wishing In Vain can provide us with Minister Sealy’s notes.

    We viewed the video and found it a provocative piece. One thing which rings true is that it is illogical to have perpetual growth at the current pace given the finite resources of our world.

  26. Adrian Loveridge Avatar
    Adrian Loveridge

    Lest we forget!

    5 April 2006 – Nation
    ‘Eastry House sold’ – Julie Wilson

    ‘The agreed price was not disclosed but the asking price was US$5.5 million’.
    ‘The new owner was said to be a man living in England with Barbadian connections’

    ‘Two years ago, former Opposition Leader Clyde Mascoll, now a Minister in Arthur’s Cabinet, accused Government of severe misjudgement by buying Eastry House for $3.2 million to prevent it from falling into foreign hands, and spending a further $2.2 million to develop it’.

    and

    17 September 2007 – Nation

    ‘GEMS GLOW’

    ‘The huge investment Government placed in the controversial GEMS hotel project has paid off to the point where some of the properties can now be sold at a profit’.

    ‘Thats according to Minister of State in the Ministry of Finance, Clyde Mascoll, a key critic of Government’s $145 million investment toward the refurbishment and upgrade to South Coast hotels when he was Opposition Leader’.

    ‘The companies now are in a far better position to manage their current cost…. he said’

    Here are the links to the Nation stories which gives a sense of the former governments position on HRL properties:
    Story one
    Story two
    Story three
    Story four

    David


  27. The coming weeks should be interesting in the US financial market. Many analysts are forecasting that several more banks in the US will go on the slide. They are warning depositors to maintain up to $100,000 on individual banks to be covered by the deposit insurance. Citigroup’s financials will be due out shortly and the market appears to be anxiously waiting. What we find interesting after reading this article submitted by BU family member X is this comment:

    “Failed banks are a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator,” said William Isaac, who was chairman of the F.D.I.C. in the early 1980s and is now the chairman of the Secura Group, a finance consulting firm in Virginia. “So you will see more troubled, more failed banks this year.”

    Read the full article


  28. Yes, we in the People’s Democratic Congress (PDC) have been condemning the recently delivered Financial Statement and Budgetary Proposals, as were presented in the House Assembly and to the people of Barbados by Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, Mr. David Thompson on Monday, July 7, 2008, as having been the WORST and MOST BACKWARD to be delivered by a Minister of Finance in the recent history of parliamentary governance in this beloved country called Barbados.

    Well, as we have recently said too under another thread – DLP vs BLP – on this BU blog, that as a party that keeps its “ears to the ground”, we have been discovering that there is an enormous groundswell of discontent by the majority of people that we are coming in contact with, over many aspects of the budgetary proposals, e.g. where the present DLP Government is continuing from where the former BLP Government left off in terms of the former resorting to use the TAXATION system to blatantly steal more of the incomes of the relevant people, businesses and other entities in Barbados, just as the former BLP Government had been so viciously doing.

    That reality of our bringing such news on the enormity of the dissatisfaction of so many people with the Financial Statement and Budgetary Proposals – inspite of the traditional media’s efforts to portray them in a good light – might have been surprising to some commentators on this blog and some other people who just read these blogs.

    But, the truth is that we can verily point to some amount of evidence of this reality to support our very correct position that there is an enormous groundswell of discontent against the said Financial Statement and Budgetary Proposals. And, too, we are NOT surprised by this important corroborating evidence!! For, in the Sunday Sun of July 13, 2008, (yesterday), there were published the results of a mobile phone text message survey that was conducted by the Nation Newspaper last week, and that had asked readers of the Nation Newspaper how they had rated the DLP Government’s Budgetary Proposals presented by the Prime Minister Mr. David Thompson.

    Here are the results of that survey:

    21 % VOTED A for GOOD

    8 % VOTED B for FAIR

    71 % VOTED C for NOT SO GOOD (POOR)

    Added to the fact that 71 % of respondents were clearly NOT satisfied with that joke “budget”, the facts are that thousands upon thousands of people in Barbados are sick, tired and fed up with both these two old and archaic parties – BLP and DLP – and their silly backward destructive policies. That is the truth that must NOT be controverted by any one seriously following political happenings in Barbados!! Nevertheless, as we in PDC continue to get more and more people in Barbados to come and support our party there is no doubt that – as we also continue to grow stronger and stronger politically and otherwise in this country – we would be on the path to becoming a necessary viable and credible alternative to the BLP and DLP in Barbados. So, More Money, More Bread, More Land to the masses and middle classes of people of Barbados!!!

    PDC

  29. Roscoe Jenkin Avatar

    Do you really think that the failure of these banks in the US is an accident? Least you forget, this is not the first time that such has occurred. this is a cycle that repeats itself every decade or so. And as history has taught us the ‘stable’ banks will endure and gobble up the ones that have apparently failed for what the Americans refer to as ‘pennies on the dollar’.

    Actually what is happenning is a land grab. Those banks were allowed to fail, so that all of those mortgaged properties will in the end fall under a few banks umbrella. This has been the case since the 1930s. This is what real power is. Obama, McCain, Hilary, Bush … Congress, the Senate are all serving the same master. He who controls the cashflow, makes the rules.

    -Roscoe Jenkins

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