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hands.jpegFrom time to time Barbados Underground (BU) will highlight comments which we feel will further the debate in a particular topic. From our inception, we have attempted to deal with the hard issues arising from the impact of immigration on small countries like Barbados. In the process, we have had to deal with the abuse from people who have misunderstood our position, in the case of some we have no doubt it is deliberate. We did not make the decision to tackle controversial issues like immigration, homosexuality, a passive Fourth Estate, corruption in politics, obsolete government systems and others without expecting to attract criticism. We remain committed to bring these issues out of the closet so that all sides of the arguments can be exposed for public comment. It is the only way to demystify and educate the PEOPLE if we are to progress as a society.

In Barbados we have perfected the art of avoiding certain issues in the hope that they will fade away. We thank the commenter who submitted the note below.

David

This was copied from The Caribbean Impact – Jan 2008

Racism and the degeneration of Guyana
PART I
By Dr. KEAN GIBSON

I am on a one-year sabbatical from my job at The University of the West Indies, Barbados so most of my time is spent in Guyana which is my research area. I have done research on the Creole language, African-Guyanese culture (Comfa and Kwe-Kwe), but more recently I have been interested in the racism in the society and the political, social and economic consequences of a racial power structure. In the past I would spend my summer vacations and have occasional short visits to the country.

Whenever I return to Barbados it takes me a couple of days to recover from the trauma of the society. Now that I am in Guyana on a more or less continuous basis, I feel that I am living in a pressure cooker, and like many Guyanese, I just want some relief from the tensions in society. The problem in the country is inequality and the consequences of it with respect to differential distribution, rights and duties (which is what racism is about).

I was particularly concerned with a report in the Stabroek News (”Five ERC reports presented to Parliament,” October 19, 2007) where it was stated that studies conducted by the Ethnic Relations Commission (ERC) show that discrimination against African-Guyanese was a ‘perception’:

“The Ethnic Relations Commission (ERC) says studies on five important areas of concern in the country found no real evidence of discrimination but a perception that certain ethnic groups are discriminated against.”

A subsequent notice appeared in Stabroek News (October 28, 2007) where the ERC was inviting African-Guyanese to a forum to discuss their “perceived needs.” The use of the term “perception” implies that nothing needs to be done since discrimination is just a figment of the imagination of African-Guyanese. The discrimination must be a perception because no laws are broken. In South Africa during the apartheid era, and in the Southern United States in the pre-Martin Luther King, Jr. era, laws were passed prohibiting people from living or sitting in certain areas; and if these laws were broken, punishment could then be inflicted. Also, it is in the laws of Guyana that Guyanese cannot own lands in Amerindian areas, but Amerindians can own lands in other areas. So if members of other ethnic groups seek to purchase lands in Amerindian designated areas the discrimination would be very clear since a law would be broken.

There are no such laws with respect to Africans, East Indians and other ethnic groups in the society. Since no laws can be said to be broken with respect to jobs, land distribution and development opportunities in Guyana, the implication is that all is well in the society for racism is nothing more than a perception.

But all is not well. If the word “discrimination” is a poor choice for the experiences of African-Guyanese since racism is not legal in Guyana, then a more apt word is “victimization” where a group of people are singled out for cruel and unjust treatment. There is an informal system (racism is a formal or informal power structure) of privileges and rights operating in the society. When East Indians are accused of racism, they are quick to point out that they lived and worked among Africans and have or had close African friends.

So there is nothing that one can point at to say they are racists – so the racism in nothing more than a perception. But Africans are victims of what is in the hearts of East Indians, and as I have pointed out in The Cycle of Racial Oppression (2003) and Sacred Duty: Hinduism and violence in Guyana (2005), what is written in the Hindu sacred texts. The violent reactions by some East Indians to Cycle (there has been silence on Sacred Duty since I really got to the core of the issue in that book), is that I had the audacity to discuss the formal system of racism that informs their hearts. The racism, and thus inequality, that is promoted in the Hindu sacred texts is a valuable resource which bestows benefits, rights and duties to a group of people and thus must be maintained at all costs and by any means necessary.

One area in which Africans are victimized is in development allocations and thus depriving Africans of the means of earning a living and driving them into poverty thereby injuring their life prospects. If you cannot work, you cannot live. Since the PPP came to power in 1992 a myth was formulated that Africans do not repay loans. That myth became the justification for banks denying loans to Africans, but loans are readily made available to East Indians. The result is that Africans do not apply to banks for loans, and this is then the reason for the ERC in their report concluding that there is no discrimination against Africans in receiving bank loans since Africans do not apply.

The African Cultural Development Association (ACDA) has reported that it applied to the European Union (EU) for funds for a Drum Museum and other social needs. The money was approved by the EU but the disbursement has been stymied by the government and so ACDA has not received the money. There is another instance in which the EU gave money to a Co-op comprising of Africans to assist in developing their farming methods. No sooner was the grant made that an East Indian wrote the EU protesting about the grant and at the same time informing the Minister of Agriculture of his actions. This was done without informing the Co-op members, and only the generosity of the EU facilitated the information reaching the members of the Co-op. Then too, there has been the systematic killing of young African men. There has been no systematic killings of the other ethnic groups. Whether it is by starvation or systematic murder, the PPP has been portraying a sustained and purposeful attempt to destroy Africans. This is genocide.

Guyanese frequently tell me that they are “confused.” The confusion is not surprising for there is evidence of double standards and “double talk.” The President tells the nation that acting positions are not good in that persons needed to be confirmed in their positions to give them security of tenure and to give them the confidence to shield them from the Executive, but he creates acting positions. There are several acting positions in important arms of the state. There is an Acting Police Commissioner, Acting Judges, Acting DPP, Acting Auditor General, Acting Chief Justice and Acting Chancellor. We see images in the newspapers and on television of young men who have been tortured, but the state tells us that torture is not a part of its modus operandi and the wounds may be self-inflicted.

We see that one set of laws and behaviors that apply to a particular group, do not apply to another. Young African men and the poor in the society are summarily executed while surrendering, or killed without firing at the police, or are jailed for committing violent crimes, or committing a robbery. But the white collar crimes that are primarily connected to the narcotics trade, money laundering, trafficking in persons and weapons, and corruption are operations that are above the law, and the culprits are very often not prosecuted. In fact, in a series of articles in Stabroek News (beginning on September 16, 2007), Clive Y. Thomas explains how the state has been reconstituted to become a criminal enterprise.

Despite their criminality, he explains, the state expresses concerns about law and order in the society. However, these are concerns which apply to the ordinary citizens and not to the cabal who do not want their operations stymied. For example, the Minister of Human Services proclaimed a war on sexual violence, but no actions were taken when a Senior Minister in her government allegedly raped a young woman. Ordinary citizens are jailed for assault, but the President took no action against his Minister of Local government who assaulted a young man with a gun, knocked him down with his vehicle and then fired shots in the air. Young African men are criminalized and murdered for resisting their oppression; but as Clive Y. Thomas pointed out (”Above and beyond the law: The ruling elite in the criminal state,” = Stabroek News, September 16, 2007), the state is the same criminal gang which organizes the infamous “phantom force.” The people have all right to be confused by this double standard and double talk – it is a deliberate confusion aimed at making the people think that a moderate position will be taken, but it never happens. It is a confusion which also means that the agenda is to subordinate a group of people.

A major confusion at the moment concerns the Judiciary where the President is attempting to govern the country in contradicting the rules of the Constitution. Due to the President’s intransigence in nominating no one other than Justice Carl Singh for the post of Chancellor, the Constitutional requirement that there be agreement between the President and the Leader of the Opposition has been unfruitful. The President blamed the Constitution for the impasse and went so far as to assert:

“It was not the intention of the constitution reform commission for anything like this to happen and so we will have to find ways to set a precedent or make the necessary change to deal with this.”

There is nothing wrong with the Constitution. The framers of the Constitution knew that Guyana has a racial problem and sought to heal the divisions by making provisions for consensual decisions. The “new precedent” that the President has decided on is to step outside of the Constitution and create the posts of Acting Chief Justice and Acting Chancellor. There are no such posts in the Constitution. The problem began in 2005 with the failure of an agreement between the President and the Leader of the Opposition on who should be the new Chancellor. The President named Justice Carl Singh who is/was the Chief Justice as an Acting Chancellor. In November 2007, Justice Ramlall ruled that one person cannot hold two posts at the same time. The Constitution has set up two courts and a head of each. There is no provision for one person to hold both positions, or for one person to act for another. The government has now decided to deflect the order in another way by creating two acting appointments which are outside of the Constitution. The disobeying of the Supreme Law has been going on for some time which indicates that the President would like to rule by fiat.
Carl Singh with President Jagdeo
What the government has never told the people is whether Justice Carl Singh was in receipt of two salaries – one for Chief Justice and another for Acting Chancellor. It is also known that he advises the government which means he has to be paid. So he is like Popeye – bowling and batting. The obtaining of several salaries is not only an aspect of the white collar crime that is destroying the country, but it reinforces the point made by Clive Y. Thomas (”Above and beyond the law: The ruling elite in the criminal state,” Stabroek News, September 16, 2007) that several persons in the cabal operate in several categories simultaneously.

In Part 11, I will look at the response of the people to the violence that is being inflicted on them by the state

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276 responses to “Indian Racism Against Afro Guyanese In Guyana”


  1. because i say the right thing i didn’t get a respon


  2. “Auntie Olga, you better pack your valise”

    Thomas, are you slow or what? That’s my point! If I had a dollar for every black fool who left Bim or some other island for US and took great pains to tell African Americans that Bim or some other island was free of Jim Crow when up until the late 60’s only blacks who were white as the PM could get a job on broad street that didn’t involve a broom or a mop, I’d be rich. Therefore, the recent massacre may give the Anti-Guyanese segment of the DLP the ammunition they need to dictate the PM’s immigration policy.


  3. Straight talk // January 31, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    It seems to me that the root of the problem is fear of an Indo-Guyanese takeover of our culture.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I agree with you, but I go further to suggest that, we no longer as Barbadians understand our culture, however we understand that life as we knew is going – or is gone – to hell in a hand basket and we can no longer afford, degredation, dispruption, what ever word you feel to insert there.

    It is a high price to pay, one which we balk at.


  4. The problem isn’t Thomas G being slow, degap.

    The problem is with your prose style.


  5. degap,

    Forgive me man, for not understanding what you meant.


  6. Professor Wren the expirtise the Lawyers in your family acquired through years of academic pursuit will not, like osmosis, diffuse into your head to make you as knowledgeable and wise as they obviously are, about the legalities of Barbados immigration. And you bring the same level of obtuseness to your characterization of Doctor Gibson’s study.

    Racism perpetuates itself across this world because the comfortable are unwilling to do what Doctor Gibson did. It is not what is in a religion that makes it racist. It is what is inferred and interpreted by the practitioners, and how they act after such inferrence and interpretation.

    Too many Hindus and Indians largely interpret teachings in their religion to mean that the blackman is a representation of the devil. That is why they threaten to kill their kids if they enter sexual relationships with people of African descent. They do not have that aversion when their kids marry whites.

    You guys need to wake up and smell the coffee before it becomes rancid. Here is a link to check out.

    http://www.landofsixpeoples.com/news402/ns4042114.htm


  7. East Indians are arriving in Barbados in large numbers? AWESOME!!!

    First Guyana, Suriname, and Trinidad and now Barbados? We East Indians sure are getting up in the region. HAHAHA.

    By the way, anyone who doesn’t like that is racist. 😀


  8. Let me remind you that ANTI-racist discourse has highlighted the unequal distribution of power in society, stratifying people in positions of privilege according to not only race, but immigration status, class, gender, sexual orientation, ability, etc.. This “intersection of privilege” is referred a “form of hegemonic power that “allows one group to use its power to dominate a group in a position of less power.” That means that anyone, including Afro-Guyanese in positions of power can be racist.

    Guyanese scholar Alissa Trotz calls Kean Gibson “someone whose publications are misinformed, harmful, hateful, divisive and, while supported by some in the Black community, serve no Guyanese in the long run.”

    Yet you choose the so-called Dr. Gibson’s comments to open your discussion on racism?

    Shame.


  9. UK blogger in Barbados – Part1

    I have been reading these blogs for some time, on india bashing and understood a thing is people here are totally confused as to how to differentiate crime from religion to suggest a non emotional resolution for the problem, if there is any problem. For your gods sake atleast please refrain from criticising other religion without even knowing fraction of their sacred texts. What texts Kean read i dono but she is just trying to sell her point without substantial knowledge about hinduism for what you see in some hindus might not reflect the religions’ ideology. I also saw some of the comments by “Anonymous” on hindus killing others in india. Let me tell you these are just isolated sad incidents driven by some local politics and doesnt reflect the countrys policy of freedom of speech / religion practice. These incidents whereever taken place were dealt with serious police actions, so as not to repeat.

    In india there are more muslims than in – Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Burma which are declared Islamic nations. While it got its independence from Britain in 1947, the christian population in India was just 350k which has grown to over 110millions. What does it tell us is there is equality and freedom of practicing any religion. There are other religions like buddhism, jainism, sikhism, zorastrianism which has few millions of followers . I also wish to tell, though Pakistan and India got independence at the same time, Pakistan chooose to declare it as islamic nation while India though with 80% population of hindus, still declared itself as secular republic. I am just trying to bring out the contrast and am not against islam even. As some one already pointed out India has a non-hindu Primeminister and President ruling with italian leader in the backdrop. Can any country be more impartial than this?

    If hinduism appears to be the killer religion for someone, let him look at which religion killed more people in the worlds history. What would we say for the crimes commited by the so called big brothers UK and USA either directly or otherwise – in Iraq, Palastina, Cuba, Vietnam, Bosnia, Herzegovnia etc.. list might be endless. So Can we all blame christianity for these inhuman and torcherous crimes done to the man kind. How about the treatment of the imperialist Briton meted out to the Africans, who were just crushed and made slaves for Imperial businesses, which were thriving those days dealing even in flesh trade, slave trades. So does it mean Jesus and all christians to be bashed for these crimes? Just think of Australia, which was once considered as a PONR for all sea pirates, dealt severly by UK. But those pirate settlers killed the aborigines to an extant that there are almost extinct (Only a few days back Australian parliament felt guilty of its past and put forward a plan to save these people from extinction) But have you ever read in your history books that once there was a hindu king who waged a war aginst christian / muslim country blah blah blah…Did you?? I havent come across in my british education atleast, which boasts of ruling the whole world once.

    Brothers, our past is full of blood and crime – waged wars for treasures, power, land. all are dreadful evils. But We all accepted this as part of history and didnt bang any religion / country. Historically the Caribbean ruled, fisted by Briton to its advantage and after sucking off every thing they left us. Barbados is no different and we have to know the fact most of us were immigrants at one point of time (Iam not amerindian btw) brought either by Briton from Africa / Asia we are just immigrants but barbadians.

    So now, please dont bring divisive notions in our minds just to make your point right. To say “Iam good…my religion is good” is fine but to say “you are bad…your religion teaches racism/divisions” is just unfair and doesnt reveal good nature of us to the world.

    AS far as Caribbean islands, I lived there for few years in the past and I found the place and people very bonhomie and intelligent enough to safe guard against any hooliganism of any kind. I also toured India extensively last summer and what prompted me to do? is I read lots of books on hinduism both positive and negative shades of it and wanted to have first hand experience of the nation of 1 Billion.


  10. TG has given entire new economics perspective with nativity in a nutshell. I appreciate it TG for his wholistic view than narrow divisive thinking.

    “At the heart of the matter is self confidence. I am proud of Barbados. I am proud of what we have done and managed. I have also seen much outside of Barbados and I know that our further development will bring change. Some of it will be good, some of it will be challenging, but I am confident that what makes Barbados a special place to me will not be easily lost.

    The biggest threat is if we start to fail economicly. Rising unemployment and rising crime will undermine our society and values. In my view, as an economic expert, the surest way to fail economicly in today’s world is to become closed, inward looking and xenophobic. I recognise that you have a different view and the value of blogs is that we can both express these views for others to see and comment. I am not being difficult.”


  11. Anonymous what would you say to the white people that comes to barbados for a week and end up taking control of bajan houses & money. But because a indian person from Guyana goes to Barbados that those people are racist no not all of them but i know that you are a racist and you would have to answer on the day of judgement why do you look at your neighbouring country and speak like that. alot of we caribbean people don’t see past we nose indian goes to barbados & work so hard for you people and yet you talk so bad about them i have to admit that they are some raist ones but not all of them sorry if i upset you but you have to face it i am a mix race


  12. Someguy, We need to realise competency is todays’ truth.
    1. Employability
    2. Profit margins 3. Outsourcing – gives more money to re invest for public

    Example- People on HSMP visas in UK contributing huge sums by NI paid to UK government, only to be spent on Health departments benefitting all.


  13. Hey guys,
    The only thing you should be concern about is how can a human kill another. So instead of being bias of one race against another, lets start comparing innocent vs murderers.
    I am a darn proud Bajan, I don’t have to listen to anyone of you idiots to form my own opinion. I could only assume David form this thread to express or market his thoughts. I have no problem with that except when he self proclaim that his views represents that of all Bajans.
    Well to the world out there, to all races and now especially the indo-guyanese I would like to appologise for these idiots who are unconciously staining this serene Island of mines, Barbados.
    The reason I am taking this stance, because of the same descriminating reasons David and his arrogant friends are taking against indo-guyanese, are the same sins they are themselves committing. David, first you cannot compare Guyana with Barbados on no realistic terms. I honestly don’t beleive indo-guyanese wanted to leave their country voluntarily to come to B’dos to create havoc, whatever you meant by that. And to say the least it is not difficult to see you and companies are trying to convince views of your preconcieve opinion/experience about indo-guyanese. Now if you claim your interest is for the benefit of Barbados, what do you think a White immigrant, lets say from the UK, of which there are a lot would think when they read such sensless and illpurpose topic?
    Basically you are taking sides when speaking about Guyana, and in so doing you are being racist because of your ethnicity, so the same that goes for indo-guyanese in coomon sense goes for others who are not of your race, think idiot.
    So whatever your opinion, don’t use Barbados as your scapegoat, we Bajans are more sensible, tolerant and less descriminating than the few bad eggs other like you (david + companies).

    One day we may have to ask the UK, Trinidad or Guyana for help, may not be our liftime but our children’s. Please don’t make them perish because of racial freaks like you (David) and others.
    My Advice: you to church, stop looking at people differently because of skin color and hair texture, take a stand against evil (killers) and if you really wants to see B’dos on the up encourage a more intelligent and nuetral discussion.
    Take car everyone and enjoy life with as much friends as you can.

    SunBoy


  14. It has nothing to do with being raist or not liking guyanse or blah blah blah…. It is realising that a plane ride will not change what was thought from the time these indo guyanese were bornt. I do not trust them at ALL. I AM SORRY. But that is just the way it is.

    It amazes me that the Africans refuse to realise that the only one who cares is them. what they need to do is to love themselves.

    why cant the Guyanese RUN BACK to their country and fight for what is rightfully theirs. Indo-Guyanese, Afro guyanese ALL OF THEM. Fight of whats rightfully yours. You have lots of resoutrces that we bajans dont have but still want to come and inflict severe pain on our social services, I say NO! It is time that we bajans love our own.

    Are u Guyanese going to let Venezuela and Suriname rob lu of what is rightfully yours. how dare u come to take what is mine and my childrens’. I am a PROUD BAJAN. And I love my country, and think that it is time that you Guyanese go back home and fight for your country. It is rightfully yours.

    Do not let any Indian who came after u deter u fight that good fight.


  15. We listened to a report carried by VoB this evening which covered the worrying events unfolding in Guyana and the factors driving it. It was an interesting report because the feedback in the report was given by an Indian and a Negro.

    There was consensus that much of the social unrest in Guyana can be traced to a racist element within the governance system which under a pro Indian government has been suppressing Blacks in recent years.

    Good to see VoB pursuing this matter we had started to doubt ourselves.


  16. The lasting negative effect of Owen Arthur will be the wholescale importation of unskilled indian guyanese into Barbados.

    More lasting than the effects of corruption and the wastage of public funds will be the ethnic clashes and the segregated enclaves that will exist.


  17. David

    please delete the name used and the comment by the above caller.It is very offensive.

    Thank you.


  18. David, that is the BFPE crew. Yuk. They have all the class of Owen Arthur on a bender.


  19. i am a proud bajan but very disappointed u c a few yrs ago i started to built my house so i employed bajans only as i was following the people around me and did not like guyanese for what ever reason i don’t know anyhow this is wot happen to me i borrow money from the bank put my every penny into the hand of my fellow bajans to build my home and the did a BAD BAD job the side of my house was like waves however the put the block my tiles on the floor had done so bad i had to get all lick out the did not seal off the house and i paid them when i ask why the not doing it the give me a price so i told the contrator i pay for that already he did not do it to make a long store short i hire five guyanese to do the same job that my own bajan mess up and i must say i LOVE it since then i realise i was hate in guyanese just because of wot i was hearing but to actually hire them and have them around me i have a great apprication for them and i am not afraid to say that any construction work me or anyone i know have to do i always recomand guyanese first would u believe these bajans fella did not know much the only person that know was the constructor so wot he did was i hire him and he bring his crooks and the take my hard working savings and mess up everything so please people bajans are not saints so stop acting as if we do no wrong think about it .

    oh i must say i hire both afro and indo guyanese and the know wot the were doing.

  20. Straight talk Avatar

    Thomas:

    I have empathy with your dilemma, but this is the price to be paid until we raise to developed world standards in 17 years time.

    BTW it ain’t gonna happen……ever. We like it so.


  21. David

    I don’t believe that you left up that March 19th post with that offensive name.

    Is there a double standard operating here.

    Thanks!

    David


  22. Is this a joke? Am I living on the same planet as some of you? Guyana has been a victim of political corruption since the 60’s. Burnham allowed the rape, murder and robbing of countless Indian people in Guyana. The police in Guyana has and always will be corrupt. Indian blood has been shed on Guyanese soil since the 60’s and is still going on to this day. If you want specifics and proof, open any newspaper from Guyana or look at any website. I am not advocating racism, but to say the Afro Guyanese people in guyana are suffering is like saying the Ku Klux Klan was suffering when they killed and hunted down African americans. Who ever believes that is truly misinformed. You want proof still? Buy a plane ticket, go to Guyana now and just stand around and open your eyes. Are you kidding me? The very title of this blog is ridiculous “Indian racism against afro guyanese in guyana” lol..you cannot be serious. Then on top of it, that professor said that hinduism is the cause of Indians being racist? I am not Hindu, I am Christian, but I have yet to meet a hindu person who is violent because their religion says so. This was the most ridiculous foolish blog written in many years I have no doubt. I have no knowledge of Barbados, but I have a great knowledge of Guyana and its peoples and culture. Guyana is a beautiful country torn apart originally by political propaganda. If you really want to know how all this started, research it yourself you will be shocked to find out it has nothing to do with either Indians or blacks in Guyana, or guyanese for that matter. The bottom line is that Indians and blacks have to find a way to co-exist in guyana or the country’s future will be bloody just like its past, but please get your facts right before you post a blog which 100 percent incorrect facts. Good luck to Guyana and to those who still dont think what I said is true, do what i said, get on a plane, go to guyana and walk around for a hours. Im sure when you come back, or if you come back, you will look at the title of this blog and laugh to yourself just like I did.


  23. Nicolas it seems to us that you are the one who is misinformed. Read any Guyanese newspaper or blog and you will understand forst hand that many of the underlying issues in Guyana is racial. It does not matter if afro abuse Indians or vice versa. The problem today is of concern not the Guyana which you remember in the 70s.

    You also need to reread our blog. We are not preaching racism. We are saying that for many years the demographic of Barbados was 95% and 5% other. We now have a situation where that is changing rapidly. Other countries where ethnic groups co-exist there is evidence to suggest it should be managed.


  24. David –

    I know what your saying, but the Guyana of the 70s is the same Guyana today. Nothing has changed. Nothing probably ever will. Like I said, I have no knowledge of Barbados, so i wont speak about it or its people, but I read a lot of false things about Indians in Guyana, such as their religion being violent and because of them the afro-guyanese are suffering. That is definitely not true I can assure you of that. My family as well as countless other families have lived through the attrocities of guyanese life from the 70s to today. You said that I am misinformed, that the underlying issues in guyana are racial, but thats exactly what Im trying to say. Blacks and Indians in guyana have been fighting for decades, but “professor” Gibson sounds like a racist and even worse probably has people believing her lies. Once again, if you dont believe me fine, go visit Guyana and look around with your own eyes and you tell me who is killing who in Guyana. Again im gonna say this, blacks and indians will have to find some way to get along but this probably wont happen because the indians in guyana are too timid. The indians have been massacred and beaten down since the 60’s and will keep letting it be done to them and wont stand together and fight back. This is fact. And to your statement “we are not preaching racism”, you may not be but that ignorant “professor” is, and i can find countless more “professors” who read her nonsense and brush it off because its absurb. Im sure my point will not get through here, thats obvious, but as a human being I have to stand up and defend my guyanese brothers and sisters who for generations have been raped and murdered by a corrupt government in guyana which still goes on today. Read a newspaper or look at the news for guyana.


  25. Wow man— never seen so many people in this day and age willing to accept so may falsities on so little evidence.

    Speaks of the power of discourses to frame the way we see and feel the world.

    According to Gibson, analyst and sotme others, as a Hindu, I am racist against Africans. Wow!

    You know, I just wrote a 450 page thesis fighting for the rights of Africans and Indians together!

    During the process, I was fired from my very well paid job for speaking out against the racism against Africans. And that was when there were no Africans around. I only had the support of 3-4 people against nearly 100. I was ostracised every day for 2 years and then fired.

    Then I saw this website

    After 2 decades of fighting for and with Africans, i am now I am learning about my racist hindu culture.

    I am not amused Ms. Gibson. If you are a true prfessor, you are abusing the trust accorded your position.


  26. Indo-Guyanese can you share your thesis with us? Please feel free to email it.

  27. Indo-Guyanese Avatar

    It’s being submitted for publication to a Univ press.

    Please use one name, so far you have used 3 user names for the morning, Hammer, Indo-Guyanese and some other one which we changed. We have never heard of a thesis which is 450 words.

    David

  28. Indo-Guyanese Avatar

    So u delete my post. Fine. Continue hosting a harem of racists. Good 21st century citizenship.

    And yes, delete my post. Censure me. Great, you coward!!

  29. Indo-Guyanese Avatar

    Let me make this clear to you David and your band of racist asses.

    I have taught and studied with Bajans, and I have many years of excellent crick with bajans. I won’t let you and your band of dumb asses invalide that. You are the bigoted and uneducated minority in B’bados.


  30. I must say we whites should start back slavery in Barbados

    I would love to use the mentality of you black racists against yourselves

    This would work well. Whip and work, then you all can understand the essence of your mumbling

    When the lashes burn into your backs you will forget about the Indians and whoever and remeber the struggle of your forefathers.

    We should have never set you free

  31. A True Believer Avatar
    A True Believer

    You tell him Negroman!

  32. Sugarstick Indian Avatar
    Sugarstick Indian

    I have red a lot of what this forum have to say and I know you ppl will say I am bias and also be offended when I say – David and his acolytes are a bunch of shallow, insecure and racist people who are living in a whirlpool wake up guys lift your heads and look out to the ocean. You people should spend your precious time and energy to help and elevate your fellow brothers and sisters who tend to live like their colonial masters currently (white people)…. they want to relax and live life large and lavishly not that i dont know that everybody want to live like that…. but David’s or our race are not so fortunate as the whites who for centuries has rape and rob almost every country on this planet to get themselves, country and economy as rich as they are today, they destruct us forcefully then, but now they still have other venues like globalisation and the use of people like u who want to fight between yourselves (((they like to see us fight and destruct whatever is left here for us… In time of destruction they will be the angels heaven sent, they will give us some pittance through aid, donation and help and then tell us how to run our country and who {country} to be friends with))) and cannot see that they are the real treat to everyone here in the third world when the world fights they are at the advantage of taking control take a closer look. We can never measure up to them as much as we want to because they will always have control through world order which changes everyday to suit themselves.. So David and crew should get his people to start to follow the lifestyle and mindset of the ppl like the Indians and Chinese and then you will probably notice an upliftment of your race as whole… Get past the mental slavery and stop thinking that its every race in world have something against you… look around the world thats all you people do… Just sit back and think that everybody owes you something.. wake up people….work hard (“with the sweat of thy brow thou shall eat bread”) and make sacrifices cause we all have a long way to go… I am sure they forgot they are Christians because the bible teaches against they very notions that they are promoting “Love thy neighbor…..” I am sure Dr. Gibson doesn’t remember that part of the bible…. Shanti! Shanti! Shanti! Ooooh shoots is that word permitted here or would you think it meant “War”

  33. Sugarstick Indian Avatar
    Sugarstick Indian

    Idiots and Hypocrites use your god given daylight to make a positive change in this world for a change (remember Ghandi and Martin Luther King….) there are endless issues of higher calling affecting us all as a people or country worldwide like HIV, Decreasing Life Expectancy, Global Warming…. etc etc etc get the point. I am sure the very learnt and honorable Dr. Gibson could make some positive contribution for a change in any of these areas… If you are so gifted share it for a worthwhile cause and in a positive and enthusiastic way…. the world will remember you long after you and I are gone for that ….
    Peace out!!

  34. BLACK WOMAN WHO LIVED IN INDIA Avatar
    BLACK WOMAN WHO LIVED IN INDIA

    As a black woman who lived in India for a while, I saw first hand how they address the issue of skin colour. They are more favourable to the light skinned Indians over the dark skinned Indians. Their idea of beauty is a light skinned person even though the majority of the country is more dark brown. The light skinned Indians tend to be seen more in the high end shopping areas buying, or selling in general, in the better schools, office buildings, living in the wealthier areas (especially in Delhi) etc. Oh yes, and did I mention how the newest thing with them is to buy skin lightening creams to get whiter.

    I spent most of my time in Delhi but was able to travel throughout the country because I found the country to be interesting. The thing is, regardless of which state I was in, one could always find instances everywhere of the preference to light skinned people.

    Interestingly enough is that I am light skinned (racially mixed) and didn’t experience any issues with the natives the way my black friends from Africa did. I remember walking through the shopping centers with my Black girlfriends and the natives just stop and stare at them and make obviously rude comments. You could just see it in the faces of the natives. Some of my friends spent their time in India being very upset and swearing near to return because of the treatment they received.

    My other friends from Asia and Europe however never experienced these types of problems. Their problems included being robbed or some of the women were sexually molested.

    What do I conclude from my time in India? Racism is present there towards the darker natives. Do you know how many of the natives complain about the treatment they receive in their own homeland? But to me an outsider I think its a mindset. Even the dark skinned persons tend to see light skinned persons as the idea of beauty and are now bleaching themselves like mad, especially in the urban areas.

    To me India is no different than parts of Europe, US etc when it comes to skin colour. White is always good, black is bad. That’s just the inner beliefs of the people and it’s hard to change that. Even persons who are supposedly Christians etc tend to portray that belief in their behaviour. In the end, it’s the heart of the person which is manifested in their daily lives as we in Guyana experience EVERY DAY…


  35. You have spelt it out accurately.

    That is why the indians who come to barbados will always align themseves to those in the white community when the crunch comes,because – they idolise the ‘white skin’.

    Of course they secretly laugh at us when we describe them as our brothers and sisters because they know they don’t consider themselves as any such thing.

    Your experience comes from living in the mother country India itself,lets now see what they doubters and naysayers have to sayabout this reality.

  36. Straight talk Avatar

    Anon:

    If we are to believe BLACK WOMAN WHO LIVED IN INDIA’s comments, then it seems the Indians treated her just like you would have us treat them.

    So what’s your problem?

    Should everyone spend their lives in their birth country, or parish, or district, or block or house even.

    The audacity of BLACK WOMAN even considering living abroad is outrageous to your way of thinking.

    But not mine.


  37. Straight Talk

    I don’t know what you are drinking – but it certainly is some funny stuff – becuse your convuluted analysis of what I posted is way -off.

  38. Straight talk Avatar

    Anon,

    It seems straight enough to me.

    Maybe it gets twisted by your convoluted reasoning.

    The woman is supporting your racist agenda by highlighting her experiences of living in another culture.

    You believe that other culture is corrupting our perfect society and should not be allowed immigration status, in fact all indos need to be repatriated because you believe so.

    Your simplistic ignorance exactly mirrors that of the pathetic Indians, who so cruelly belittled BLACK WOMAN and her friends for no other reason than their colour.

    My two points are ;-

    If, in your perfect world, she was not being accepted by that society, why was she living in India?
    Guyanese should not be allowed into Bardados for that very same reason, you say.

    Why did BLACK WOMAN dare to leave her black country, where her every need is met?

    Do you think the freedom she had to travel to the other side of the world is wrong?

    Secondly, no matter what faith or creed you follow always remember The Sermon on the Mount when Jesus gave us the most important maxim ever-“All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.”

    Now I’ll have that drink.


  39. No instead of a drink I think you better take your medications.

    You have come on this site and can never counter with facts or any lived experiences what I and others have been pointing out.

    It is always an attck on those posting their views,but then again as the saying goes- small minds,small ideas.

    As you may have noticed before I really don’t engage nonesense arguments such as yours.

    Today obviously was an exception for which I was rewarded with the confirmation I cited above:”let’s now see what the doubters and naysayers have to say about this reality”.

    You responded true to form.

    Now take that medication and go back to bed and have a long rest,perhaps your sanity will be restored in the morning!

  40. Straight talk Avatar

    Anon:

    The reason people laugh at you is your insular, medieval and racist position.

    One world, one love.


  41. BU

    http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-9333–6-6–.html

    See above letter dedicated to the ‘policy of hate’ campaign against indo guyanese in Barbados .

    My 2 cents. If the writer and his political counterparts in Guyana would put half the effort into identifying the root cause of the exodus of Guyanese to other islands and objectively addressing the ‘politics of ethnicity’ in Guyana as alluded to by Ralph Gonsalves, Guyana’s main export would not be it’s citizens.

    But no, all you hear from these intellectuals is that the Guyanese are being treated unfairly. Well how about creating a environment at home where they can return to be treated fairly just like the Barbadians have been doing for the past half century. Instead of sending delegates to Barbados how about them adressing the root cause of the problem in Guyana Dr Persaud.

    The US embassy in GT was never accused of xenophobia when it began refusing documents from visa applicants due to the rampant forgery and hight number of fraudulent documents being presented. The islands on the other hand are accused of xenophobia when it refuses Guyanese nationals.

    I am not familier with the murder cases but Dr. Persaud is convinced that it wasn’t a continuation of the black/indian psuedo war being exported to Barbados but they were ‘political’ killings executed by Barbadians. Do you know something that the Bdn authorities dont Dr Persaud?


  42. boring, indians are hotter!


  43. Yuh real funny talkin how Coolie mon does do so much bad to nigga man dem in guyana. Lemmie tell yuh Coolie people bearly does kill up niggas. Almost 80% of the time is nigga man robbin and killin up coolie.

    Suh yuh tell me if this article is really more important than Racsim againt Coolie people in Guyana. Yuh ask a guyanese who does suffer more coolie man is the answer.
    Meh nah know wher yuh mekup this shit from


  44. As someone who has worked in the field of immigration and social integration in the UK for many years, i have read some of the comments with great interest, and some with a degree of alarm.

    Taking the UK as a model, there is no doubt in my mind that unrestrained and uncontrolled migration can have long term damaging effects, particularly on societies that are by and large homogenous (although that may be a complete misnomer in this globalised era) and those that do not have experience of handling large scale immigration.

    However a properly controlled and managed immigration system can be hugely beneficial for both the migrants and the host society.

    That being said, i think the core issue being discussed in this blog is of historical racial tensions between people of African and Indian descent. As i am myself not from the caribbean, i do not feel qualified to make an educated comment on that particular subject. I do however feel that some of the disparaging comments made about people of Hindu/Indian origin are wide off the mark. (again, to put the record straight, i am neither).

    It would be worth remembering for those that have been interested in the struggle against apartheid in South Africa that the first person of note to take a very firm stand against apartheid was a an Indian Hindu by the name of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. I do not excuse Indians for their very rigid caste system and the many atrocities that have been committed against minorities in their country, but neither am i willing to accept that the Hindu religion or the Indian people are racist by their very nature or that they have any particular grudge towards people of African descent. On the contrary India as a country has taken the lead in supporting many African countries in their fight for freedom.

    In then end i would just like to say that whatever we are and wherever we come from just remember that “there is more that brings us together than sets us apart”.


  45. Sorry, but Gandhi has been reported to have looked down on Africans.

    “Forced to share a cell with black people, he wrote: “Many of the native prisoners are only one degree removed from the animal and often created rows and fought among themselves.”

    He was quoted at a meeting in Bombay in 1896 saying that Europeans sought to degrade Indians to the level of the “raw kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness”.

    The Johannesburg daily This Day said GB Singh, the author of a critical book about Gandhi, had sifted through photos of Gandhi in South Africa and found not one black person in his vicinity. ”
    http://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1230


  46. to me indians are the most racist people on earth,but oh…please its time for your guys(indians)to change your attitute.in the eyes of God no race is better than the other.tell me in which book is it written not the bible nor the holy quran may be in the hindu book because hinduism is all about racism.an indian man will complain of racism when he is on the receiving end and so they take the same attitute anywhere they go.
    what a pity


  47. oh hah…hah..i forgot to tel u about the scene of shilpa sheety on the big brother show.there was no sence in it,she should have turned back look at her country first before complaing.anyway it didn’t surprise me cuz oh am ashame to say it but i have to:is that northern


  48. well the issue is indians are very racist and yet they complain of racism when they are on the receiving end.it doesn’t make sence how can you detest God’s creation?there will be so many questions to be answered on the day of judgement.please wake up.that era has past.


  49. C’mon Barbados, y’all can do much better than this. All I can say about Dr. Kean Gibson’s writings on Guyana is that it is intellectual dishonesty. I am surprised that Barbadians would allow this kind of hate-mongering to be publicised in their country.
    I am Guyanese and although a few Guyanese of all types may be racist, the only institutionlised racism I know of in Guyana was that which was practiced by the PNC. This was political racism and not Afro racism.
    Now, Dr. Gibson talks about experiencing ‘tension’ in Guyana but I think this was probably more from fear of the Police and GDF, and the criminalization of the society which was a product of the PNC reign of terror. Hey, Afro-centric thought, support, economic organisation etc., are all good seeing this is how all peoples progress, but blind hatred for other people is downright dangerous.
    About me, I might be perceived as being East Indian although I do not feel like one. I have been to Barbados in the early 1970’s and felt perfectly at home (I think Bajans and Guyanese are probably the closest culturally in the WI) but I now am fearful of visiting your beautiful island again.


  50. Well,well, I got my backside out of bed this September morning with nothing to do so I decided to enter the Guyanese website because my girlfriend is Indian-Guyanese and I am really pissed at her for the opposition that the Guyanese people has mounted against President Obama even thou his health care program if implemented will help them.instead they have align themselves withe republican party which is run by a bunch of white men.they loved Bush, he could do no wrong .He was and still is a God to them.
    So Mr. Wren,Sir,knowing what I have learned from my girlfriend and her siblings,all well educated I might add,from engineers to helicopter pilots.I will take the position of David and so many others ,because Sir, you cannot cover the sun with one finger, yes,yes, Indians Guyanese are racist.Y ou can keep on blogging with your intellectual lingo, but the fact remains and they speak for themselves, take it from me a white carib,an outsider guyanese are racist and they do align themselves with white people, because they do believe to be white.

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