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Savvy on the Bay matter- if the BTII failed to do due diligence by hiring Mr Kenneth Ward, both Mr Ward as the surveyor and Mr Kinch as the buyer had an obligation to legally declare a conflict of interest.
Blogmaster, I sent you 2 paragraphs governing conflict of interest by surveyors and engineers as outlined by law. The wording in US and British law is slightly different, however, both speak to a professional and legal obligation to the client.
The reason I sent this is because a blogger of yours touched on it, but I do not think many understand the legal liability that this places on a transaction in terms of the efficacy of the survey. Also I read where a blogger tried to down play it by saying [paraphrasing] “so what if the same surveyor that worked for Mr Kinch worked for BTII, Barbados is a small place“. My point is – if the BTII failed to do due diligence by hiring Mr Kenneth Ward, both Mr Ward as the surveyor and Mr Kinch as the buyer had an obligation to legally declare a conflict of interest.
Had this occurred in the UK or USA, the entire survey would be deemed null and void as outlined below.
The engineer or land surveyor shall exercise independent judgments, decisions and practices on behalf of clients and employers as follows:
(a) The engineer or land surveyor shall attempt to avoid all conflicts of interest with his client or employer, but when a conflict of interest is unavoidable, the engineer or land surveyor shall immediately inform his or her employer or client of any business association, interest, or circumstances which might tend to influence the licensee’s professional judgments, decisions or practices or the quality of services.
(b) The engineer or land surveyor shall not solicit or accept any gratuity, material favor or benefits of any substantial nature from any party, agent, servant or employee dealing with his or her client or employer in connection with any project on which he or she is performing or has contracted to perform engineering or land surveying services. This solicitation or acceptance includes, but is not limited to any act, article, money or other material possessions which is of such value or proportion that its acceptance creates a clandestine obligation on the part of the receiver or otherwise compromises his or her ability to exercise his or her own independent judgment.
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In a related matter, I take the opportunity to apprise the public about a company by the name of KDL Limited created by Allan Kinch. He shutdown the company, paid out the partners, closed the company account before they could cash cheques issued as part of the dissolution. KDL sold construction equipment and the partners were Kinch, Bugelin and Lashley.
Blogmaster, this is an angle to the Savvy on the Bay story in need of exposure.
.. and no, NO, sand from the west coast would not end up down south. The currents around the island split at east point, one current moves along the south coast and the other up the east coast.
The two then travel down and up the west coast and meet at Holetown.
It is more likely the sand in Carlisle Bay if it isn’t formed in situ comes from the South Coast and settles in Carlisle Bay where there would be an eddy given the shape of the island.
@ John
Thanks for sharing that picture of the beach or lack thereof, back in 1960 or so.
My question is if that beach benefited from accretion would not the entire beach benefit equally as its in the same area?
Miller
I’m delighted to see that even with my scarcity on BU, I continue to live rent free in your head. My objective with respect to you remains ticked.
@ John
Sorry let me clarify my question. Lets say the rate of accretion from 2000 to 2020 was 35% on the area of beach stretching from lobster alive to the government carpark below the traffic lights on Bay Street, would not property A in that area benefit from the same 35% increase as property B next door?
The reason I have asked is that all I have read on this topic speaks to it as one would view rainfall. So lets say a defined area had 4 inches of rain in 12 hours, then the houses in that area should all of had roughly 4 inches as well. But I only deal in numbers not these matters of the almighty.
Can the above conclusion be confirmed by anyone with knowledge of such matters?
Rainfall varies from locality to locality. Some days I will leave home with no rain and within minutes pass into a stretch where the road is drenched from rain that fell minutes ago.
That has happened many times since I was a boy, and it is roughly the same stretch.
Could be to do with the elevation above sea level, the way the clouds formed and moved in getting there or whether anyone was performing a rain dance in the drenched stretch.
I think it is wrong to assume that the sand is all brought to the coast from somewhere but even if it was, its source is not limited to one point, it could come from many points and of course take many different routes.
The sea is not uniformly deep so it may see many different conditions.
Other beaches to look at are Welches, Oistins and Miami Beach.
Conventional wisdom is that the groyne for the then Coast Guard Station at Oistins caused Miami Beach to form. It is supposed to have disrupted currents.
But maybe in the 70’s there was a marked sea level fall which not only uncovered sand in this area but also at Bay Street.
The sea on the West Coast gets deep quickly so maybe the reason the sand moved from there is also because of sea level fall … and gravity.
Why are Northern West Coast Beaches losing sand, while Carlisle Bay beach keeps expanding?
I know a regular visitor to Barbados who has been coming to the island off and on since his childhood in the early 1960s. He told me he thought the reason for the decline in the more northerly West Coast beaches while the beach along Carlisle Bay only keeps getting bigger could have been caused by the construction of the deep water harbour. He wonders if the deep water harbour could have blocked a natural flow of currents which carried and deposited sand up along the west coast therefore which, because the natural current flow has been disrupted, now causes the sand to get deposited in Carlisle Bay instead of further North along the West coast..
This person is not an engineer or had any training in marine affaira. He just made the observation as a lay person who now considers Barbados a 2nd home and was trying to understand why the beaches to the North in general were diminishing in size, while the beach along Carlisle Bay just keeps getting biggger.
I am not saying his view is necessarily the correct one, just would be interested if there are any old time sailors, fishermen, marine biologists etc with knowledge of the marine environment and the currents along the West coast who could lend support to his amateur speculations. Because on the surface, it does seem a strange phenomenon that north of the harbor beaches in general are losing sand while south of the harbor the sand just keeps accumulating in ever increasing quantities along the Carlisle Bay shoreline.
Groins and other methods of shifting sand.
The ridges/cliffs in Barbados suggest sea level change is rapid, not in 10’s or 100’s of years but perhaps in a few years.
We have grown accustomed to the wide beaches on the South Coast and Carlisle Bay but I can remember passing them all as a boy with the sea almost up to the road.
Besides, Bajans are terrified of the sea and generally keep as far as they can from the sea. Many would never notice a change.
@ John
Ok so if say Carlisle Bay beach had a rate of growth say of 35% over 15 years would all the properites in an area from say Harbour Ligts to Lobster Alive have benefitted from similar increases fairly evenly?
https://barbados.org/barbados-webcams.htm
@ Hants
Thanks for the pic of Carlisle Bay, the sand seems to have built up very evenly between Harbour Lights and Lobster Alive for sure. The Lord made sure and blessed all equally in there with nobody getting more than the other wouldnt you say?
@ GreenMonkey
I have heard that same assumption about the harbor effect on Carlisle bay
Another contribution factor could be the reduction of pollution caused by the sewerage of Bridgetown and closure of the Mobil plant at Needham point allow the coral to rejuvenate
You see this thing called accretion this is where the gravy lies. We have all spoken about many things but dont take my word for it, go back and research the information shared by Sarah and put the pieces together. The whole treasure chest lies buried in the sand off SAVVY, wunna go and find it.
I gone fuh now.
GM
I think it would be interesting to see the growth of the beaches south of the harbour over time.
I remember in the 60’s there was no Miami Beach and if you walked out on the rocks you looked directly down at the sea.
At Welches the sea was up to the road at high tide.
@John
I remember in the 60’s there was no Miami Beach and if you walked out on the rocks you looked directly down at the sea
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Wasn’t Miami Beach a result of the ill-fated attempt of the powers that be to locate the Coast Guard at that location? The “rocks” were called the “sea rocks” by the locals and was a fishing spot for some people.
As for Welches, long before Southern Plaza folks from the surrounding area would bathe behind the building on the beach that housed a church, I remember a reef just off shore, not sure if it is still there today.
This is a pretty interesting article on a drop in sea level.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-scientist-explains-the-mystery-of-recent-sea-level-drop/
Read the end of this 2013 article and it actually references the great rise?
Frank.
Off of his pet topics John is stellar, but if you think that I am bad, then you are warned that John is even worse when he finds a pet topic.
If you see any of these words then read again and again
Quakers
Water
Slavery
Trump
Right wing topics
Covid
Continuing my fine work of helping my mentally handicap friend
You saying that John is mentally handicap because he does be good on his pet topics and does ramble on others, and by explaining to us is your way of helping him? $hy£€, rabbit needs better friends.
Frank
on September 15, 2023 at 10:34 AM said:
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Read the end of this 2013 article and it actually references the great rise?
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…. and then go and look at the actual sea level on Bay Street.
A blind man on a trotting horse could see that the level has dropped from where it was in the 60’s, ie by the road.
I thought you would have pointed out the fact that this article is dealing in millimetres and the drop we can observe here is way more than millimetres, probably metres.
The way we could determine whether sea level has dropped or not and by how much is to get the data on water levels in sheet water wells from the BWA or the Ministry of Agriculture.
I will ask around.
Frank
on September 15, 2023 at 11:25 AM said:
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You saying that John is mentally handicap because he does be good on his pet topics and does ramble on others, and by explaining to us is your way of helping him? $hy£€, rabbit needs better friends.
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Well, if it is agreed that John has a command and deep understanding of such a wide range of topics he can’t be mentally handicapped.
Maybe Grasshopper is referring to you …. then again there are other possibilities.
… Grasshopper has a way with words
Check an aerial view of Carlisle Bay, unfortunately not as far as Bay Street.
Looks like there was a good beach like there is now.
Could it be that the beach comes and goes periodically?
… perhaps as sea level rises and falls!!!
… and not millimetrically!!
Climate change is not terminal, it seems to be periodic.
https://imgur.com/CNQ3rSH
If it isn’t sea level rise and fall but sand being deposited, the question now arises where does all that sand come from?
Believe it not I am told or have read it comes from the Andes, down the major rivers in South America, out into the Atlantic Ocean and then by the Gulf Stream, Atlantic Gyre towards Barbados.
So what would make the flow of sand rise and fall periodically?
Rainfall in the Andes, which we know rises and falls periodically, now referred to as La Nina and El Nino.
The Gulf Sream is farther North flowing around The Gulf of Mexico anf passing just South of Miami, Barbados is way south
This seems to apply to many on BU.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/mindandbody/highly-miserable-people-have-these-14-habits-opinion/ar-AA1gN3X4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W069&cvid=ee3f33372986410c88ee4a6c60b5d3c2&ei=6
Alvin
This may help you understand the North Atlantic Gyre, the Gulf Stream, the Caribbean Current, the Canary Current !!
You will see the two are often conflated!!
This picture is worth a thousand words!!
https://imgur.com/6NxoDq6
“The North Atlantic Gyre of the Atlantic Ocean is one of five great oceanic gyres. It is a circular ocean current, with offshoot eddies and sub-gyres, across the North Atlantic from the Intertropical Convergence Zone (calms or doldrums) to the part south of Iceland, and from the east coasts of North America to the west coasts of Europe and Africa.
In turn it is chiefly subdivided into the Gulf Stream flowing northward along the west; its often conflated continuation, the North Atlantic Current across the north; the Canary Current flowing southward along the east; and the Atlantic’s North Equatorial Current in the south. The gyre has a pronounced thermohaline circulation, bringing salty water west from the Mediterranean Sea and then north to form the North Atlantic Deep Water.”
The gyre traps anthropogenic (human-made) marine debris in its natural garbage or flotsam patch, in the same way the North Pacific Gyre has the Great Pacific garbage patch.[1]
At the heart of the gyre is the Sargasso Sea, noted for its still waters and quite dense seaweed accumulations.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Gyre
The Sargasso Sea, part of the Atlantic Ocean, is a giant eddy which produces the weed that enters the Gyre in the south and ends up here and in other islands.
The Caribbean Sea is another eddy.
Down to the south of the Caribbean sea is the the Caribbean Current which flows up to Jamaica. You will see an eddy on the south west coast of Jamaica.
Would be interesting to see what sorts of problems Jamaica has with Sargasso Weed and if their beaches are expanding too.
Found this article from 2015 in Jamaica.
https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/environment/our-beaches-are-growing/
Then in 2016 somebody reckons that all the beaches in Jamaica will disappear by 2025!!!!!!!!!!
https://lindsworthdeer.wordpress.com/2016/09/05/jamaican-beaches-will-disappear-by-2025/
https://coastal.gov.bb/czmu-coastal-conservation-programmes-timeline/coastal-infrastructure-programme/
@JohnA
As a small business person I see your association has your buddy Sinkyuh to address the body during small business week
Sure you won’t wish to miss that.
Thqnks to John on…I agree with you and you are quite correct. I did not take into considertion the interconnection of the other world-wide currents…I was only concentrating on the SAVVY situation, because of self interest in that entire beach. As I mentioned before, that is where I GREW UP ; BORN IN 1933 IN WELLINGTON StrEET, I AM THUS ENTIRELY FAMILIAR WITH THE WHOLE AREA, AND WATCHING WITH interest the developments both of and by nature, and the sociology of the situation; including human greed and manipulations of all sortsI wonder how many people remember or know of when Mustor;-of Mustor’s Restaurant fame- during the war years made Spaghetti at his home there . He used to live next to the Savoy; home of the Sephirins; of Bakery fame. I knew all of them. I lived in Jemmotts Lane all my teenage life.
I remember an “old” lady who always seemed young and happy at the top of Wellington Street, Nellie Brown I think was her name. I visited her house once with my mother who knew her well.
I think there was some relation to Kate and Ellis Smitten who my mother also knew well. They were older than my mother but like Nellie Brown, young at heart.
They all used to get together in their youth and sing and every now and again they got together as they got older.
They enjoyed the camaraderie and the singing. I went to a few as my mother played the piano for the group. It is only now that I have done alot of genealogy that I realise many in the group were related to my family. The Smittens I found out recently may have been related through the Sephardic Jewish line as were many other members of my mother’s group.
I used to go to church at St. Ambrose, my mother’s church so that area brings back memories. She served on the council for a while with people like the Chenery’s from the Grotto, her good buddies. We often went to their house.
My uncle and grandfather went to St. Ambrose too but usually to evensong. Sometimes I went with them but I usually went to 7:30am service mostly when I was preparing for confirmation and then in my teens. Had an attendance card I had to get the priest to sign.
Must have been 11 then, a long time ago.
My church attendance fell off when I went to University but would still go with my mother now and again after I returned.
My sister went to QC with the daughter of the druggist at Knights who lived a few houses down from where you described the Zephrin’s lived.
I think Woodside was the Hutchinson (Ecaf) residence, also family. Their son was Ikael Tafari, a distant cousin. Came out of the same Sephardic Jewish line as the Smittens.
Source: Nation
GOLD COAST
Demand for million-dollar properties on the West
By Maria Bradshaw mariabradshaw@nationnews.com
Million-dollar properties are being snapped up along the West Coast.
In its half-year report on market sales performance, Terra Caribbean, one of Barbados’ leading real estate agents, revealed that while it experienced a 14 per cent decline in the number of properties sold in the first half of 2023 compared to 2022, the average sales price had increased overall by three per cent, driven by performance in St James and St Peter.
Most properties, it added, sold for above the asking price.
Last year, Terra stated it recorded the highest sales revenue levels in 2021/2022 in its over 60 years in the industry.
Terra’s Betty Cathrow and Emma Hutson, who were responsible for tracking the trends, stated: “Interest from ultra-high net worth individuals seeking to purchase property in Barbados has been at one of the highest levels in the firm’s history over the last three years.”
Giving an analysis by parish, the real estate agents reported: “Average sale prices in St James more than doubled with six properties sold for over $5 million in the first half of 2023 versus an absence of sales at this level in 2022. St Peter also recorded a 31 per cent increase in average sale prices with two sales closing in excess of $5 million in 2023 versus just one in 2022.”
Most popular parish
Christ Church remained the most popular parish, accounting for 48 per cent of sales transactions in the first half of 2023, while St James continued to be the second, commanding 19 per cent of the market even though the number of transactions was down 23 per cent.
The report added that “declines in the average prices achieved were recorded in all of the other parishes. Interest in the other parishes showed mixed trends with the more central parishes being the more popular”.
Despite the number of new sale enquiries being down by 17 per cent for the first six months of 2023 when compared to the corresponding period last year, it was pointed out that with record sales levels in 2021 and 2022, “the number of enquiries recorded is still high despite this decrease. Pending sales have further increased by four per cent over the impressive figure . . . at July 1, 2022, which is a positive lead indicator for the next six months”.
New developments
It added that numerous sales had been agreed at new developments like Allure in Brighton, St Michael; Coral Beach in St Peter; The Estates in St George, Sugar Apple at The Villages at Coverley, and Atlantic Rising in Christ Church, resulting from high demand.
Stand-alone homes and land sales commanded the largest market share, with interest also being shown for apartments.
“Stand-alone homes continue to command the highest market share at 37 per cent, just a point down from 2022. The popularity of this segment remains robust post-COVID. Just less than half of the homes sold were priced between $500 000 and $1 million. One-third of the homes sold were priced above $1 million.
“Land sales constitute the second largest percentage share, increasing slightly to 34 per cent of transactions for the period. More than 60 per cent of the land lots sold in both 2022 and 2023 were located in Christ Church within popular developments like South View and The Grove.
“The market share of apartment sales transactions grew significantly from 15 per cent to 23 per cent, which is the highest level in the last five years. There were 26 per cent more apartments sold in 2023. The number of apartment buildings sold remained steady at just one per cent in each year.”
While demand for townhouses was down with sales declining from 11 to five per cent, Cathrow told the Sunday Sun a rebound is expected.
David
on September 17, 2023 at 9:58 AM said:
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GOLD COAST
Demand for million-dollar properties on the West
By Maria Bradshaw mariabradshaw@nationnews.com
Million-dollar properties are being snapped up along the West Coast.
In its half-year report on market sales performance, Terra Caribbean, one of Barbados’ leading real estate agents, revealed that while it experienced a 14 per cent decline in the number of properties sold in the first half of 2023 compared to 2022, the average sales price had increased overall by three per cent, driven by performance in St James and St Peter.
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Go look at Google Earth at St. James and St. Peter.
Not much left of these two parishes to sell!!
Looks like the same multi million property is changing hands again and again.
So, what does that sound like to you?
east coast disappearing
Flood? looked more like storm surge Hants.
People sometimes build in foolish places, trying to capture the beauty of the spot as though it can be put in a bottle.
The largest landslip in Barbados was in 1901 at Boscobelle.
4-500 acres went down destroying many small houses.
Now, if you look at where the survivors have their houses they are well set back from the edge.
A new development at Mount Stepney is built right up to the edge.
Time will tell.
https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2007/01/23/the-great-barbados-landslip-of-1901-will-it-be-repeated-at-greenland-dump/
Check what happened up at Crabhole!!
https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/barbados-apartment-collapse-day-2-under-the-rubble-no-sign-of-life-after-usa-dog-team-exam/#comment-148375
These are the worst weather related disasters other than hurricanes that have befallen Barbados and they happened in one case several centuries before any conversation on Climate Change arose.
The other case happened in 1901!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Both however happened a few years after a major hurricane, 1780 and 1898!!
Full moon 29th September.
Could shake loose some rain and cool things down.
@John, Woodside was the residence of Dr Scott who became Governor General and after whom the Winston Scott Polyclinic is named…did a lot of good work. Ikael, (Michael Hutchinson)Taffari was a good frient of Mine….we acted on stage together, and entered University at Mona the same time…We; he and i acted in the same play at Bethel just before we went to Mona…the play was “They Came to A City” lots of fun in those days., and became even better friends at Mona.Saw him a few times after he came back to barbados and I returned from Toronto. So I am completely familiar with the area. Kinch is trying to; in the bajan vernacular, pull a big foot move pun we. If he bought the Savoy and those other properties, they were no Beach Front, because there was no beach or land other than the boundaries of the dwellings, and that also applies to the property now occupied by the Copacabana..ASSOCIATED WITH THE WEATHERHEADS (NOW) BUT NOT BEFORE. I would also refer you to the book written by Ms. Joan Brathwaite; former UWI Librarian (Law Library) of UwI Cave Hill, and sister of Kamau Brathwaite.who has written a book on the history of Bay Street. Their house; two houses away from the old Eye Ward,,; The Round House, has also been designated as a Historic building, complete with the designation affixed, BY A PLAQUE, like the one that was affixed to the old Eye Ward that Kinch et al completely ignored when they were expressly forbidden to interfere with it especially the roof. That it became occupied by vagrants is entirely the fault of successive governments. Before the accretion OF SAND there was only rocks on that entire stretch. Where the BoatYard is is exactly what iT was…a boat yard where boats used to be repaired. the sea used to be underneath the area where the present bar is located.Before there WAS NOT EVEN SAND, just rocks…and I have a scar on my foot where I slipped between two rocks at the harbour police station while hooking rock hinds to show for it.
That book on the history of Bay Street is worth a read. Thanks Alvin, I will see if I can track it down.
So did the Hutchinson’s live near Woodside? Somehow I have that image in my mind.
The thing is that if the sea was up to the road before then there is a good chance that it will be back up there sometime in the future.
The early aerial photos show this happens periodically.
I have the 1951 series from Colin Hudson and Richard Goddard which I have enjoyed over the past 20 years.
It seems to me that sea level has fallen contrary to what all the Climate Change fanatics tell us but it could be that it is the same and it is the sand which has built up.
The large accretion of sand is not limited to Carlisle Bay as a boy living in Crusher Site the Batts Rock beach was my liming spot. If you leave Batts Rock going south past the rock sculptures there has been a huge increase in width of beach by the old Paradise property. The same applies to the fishing village at Pile Bay all the way up to Brandon’s where Maloney is building his allure condos. In fact for years beach appeared within sections of the Deep Water Harbour possibly near the original location of Pelican Island. It makes you think if the accretions are headed north to take in the Waves / Fitts Village area and beyond.
How hard is it to say sea level is dropping?
… contrary to what all the Chicken Littles in the Climate Change camp say.
@Rabbit🐰
This may provide and explanation of why the ‘sea is falling’
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2018/05/14/ancient-sea-levels-barbados
Please restrict your comments to the sea level. Don’t look up and if you do don’t mention it.
Subduction of two tectonic plates does indeed cause Barbados to rise and naturally sea level to fall.
But the question is by how much!!
In fact, it is in operation all around the world so by your argument, sea level must be falling worldwide, not rising.
Don’t tell Ms. Mockley dat though or she will have a fit!!
You are learning Grasshopper, sloooooowly, very good.
It always makes me feel good to see my little Grasshoppers learn.
There is a good booklet published by Hans Machel on the process and geology of the island available at the museum.
The sediment (crud) that forms Barbados Ridge came from the Andes, via the great rivers into the Atlantic and then was carried to the subduction boundary where Barbados resides.
As that rose from accretion, subduction and sea level fall living coral formed at the top under water.
As the island rose further the coral got exposed and died. The cliffs you see along the west coast represent periods when sea level fell rapidly.
There is then the Tobago Trough followed by the chain of volcanic islands of the lesser Antilles.
Here is a quick lesson on subduction …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUbX67e5rzI
… and a more indepth explanation.
New island forming to the north of Barbados!!!!!
Who gets to claim it first, Ralf or Ms. Mockley … will be interesting to watch them wrestling for it.
https://imgur.com/AHuY5qH
https://imgur.com/HguBnIj
@Rabbit🐰
“In fact, it is in operation all around the world so by your argument, sea level must be falling worldwide, not rising”
No. The great brain starts to work and out comes nonsense. No one would expect sea level to fall worldwide at the same time.
In fact, we are not even making the claim for all of Barbados. Cities and islands in Asia are facing the problem of rising sea level. Sea level is rising in some places and for not fully explained reason may fall in a few spots.
Let’s stop this rabbit 🐇/🐰 hole right here.
These questions asked are very pertinent. Years ago when Altman made the proposal to construct three islands off the coast….never stated precisely where, I raised a number of issues, or potential problem creating issues, such as: to whom would they belong? Would they be “independent” ?
Would government be able to collect taxes? If they are with the Barbados EEZ would they be subject to the Barbados Laws and order? etc and a lot of other things to consider, So all these should be answered befor any proposed construction take place
Alvin
We might actually see Ms. Mockley and Ralf Gonsalves get into the wrestling ring like two Sumo wrestlers as each claims rights to the new island.
Our politicians are definitely getting too fat.
https://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/s/sumo_wrestler.asp
Grasshopper
Do I have to educate you on the Archimedes principle too?
Doesn’t it occur to you that if some lands rise and displace more water, other lands will see the sea level rise.
Sea level overall may not be changing.
Ms. Mockley and her fellow politicians may actually be looking at preventing the plates from moving and wasting their time with Climate Change.
Hans Machel, geologist, gave one of his numerous lectures a while back and received this question.
By how much is Barbados rising each year due to climate change?
I got the impression it is an infinitesimal amount but he added (not sure if he was joking) that the east coast would rise faster than the west coast.
So next time you are walking around Barbados, check the beaches on all coasts …. or use google earth.
Been quite some time since I attended a meeting at Cattlewash.
… and then there is gravitational attraction!!
The sea level in Iceland is falling because the Glaciers are melting!!
I kid you not.
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/04/world/climate-sea-level-rise-iceland-marshall-islands-cmd-intl/
Did you know that there is a hill at Morgan Lewis called Gravity Hill that can actually pull a car up its incline?
Imagine what it will do to the water released from the glaciers in Iceland.
We got to put Ms. Mockley on this.
https://barbados.org/gravity-hill-barbados.htm
@Rabbit🐰
“Do I have to educate you on the Archimedes principle too?
Doesn’t it occur to you that if some lands rise and displace more water, other lands will see the sea level rise.”
I thought that was what I said. “Sea level is rising in some places and for not fully explained reason may fall in a few spots.”
I like how you interpret that little blip to mean that we will see a next island in our lifetime. It may be hundreds of feet underwater or even represent a depression.
Why do you start digging holes all over the place. I can see that Alvin is already at the mouth of this new hole.
Wishing her well.
https://www.nationnews.com/2023/09/20/barbados-names-new-solicitor-general/
Grasshopper
It isn’t possible to generalise and say sea level is rising or falling.
It depends on where you are in the world and besides, God promised the great flood was the last one.
That’s how you know this Climate Change business is a hoax.
It used to be that sea level was rising and some countries would disappear.
But the purveyors of the sea level rise figured out they were looking like idiots with the sea level rise story as the opposite was happening at various places in the world.
Before that it was the earth was cooling and we would all freeze.
Climate Change is so non-committal and unspecific which is what idiots need as a banner. It makes the ideal slogan for politicians.
All I have tried to do here is turn it into specifics and show how foolish and unspecific Climate Change is.
In a few years temperatures may fall … Climate Change covers that too.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pacific-island-that-keeps-disappearing-on-google-maps-baffles-scientists-2951302
We can scratch the narrative about disappearing islands.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-oceans-islands-trfn-idUSKBN23H309
@Rabbit🐰
“It isn’t possible to generalise and say sea level is rising or falling.”
Oh dear!
Your insinuation put words in my mouth. I have not studied the matter but news reports tells me it is falling and rising in some places.
No one is talking about a great flood, but that a slight rise in some areas could cause flooding there.
I see that you are now deploying your army of straw men to defend your new rabbit hole.
I will take time to study what is happening to sea level, but this is more complicated than your Google search suggest.
As you may be aware, I do not have much confidence in BU COVID scientists/reporters. I have even less in our climate change scientists/reporters.
I tend to have confidence in the CDC, FDA, NSA …
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
… me, I rely on what I see.
This may help …. or not.
Much of Holland is under sea level.
Spent a year and a half there.
Variations in gravitational forces from place to place can cause differences in sea level of 10’s of metres.
Geography also makes the sea more or less of an enemy and there isn’t much man can do about that regardless of sea level.
Other means have to be found to combat water.
The melting of the ice cap causes centimetric changes and subduction causes millimetric changes.
It is meaningless to talk about mean sea level for the world when the effect of rising or falling levels is local.
Holland is a useful place to consider.
Much of it is below sea level.
The Dutch have centuries of experience battling sea level and have built extensive dykes around the coast.
They can do nothing about the geography of much of their land so they fight the sea, and floods caused by the inland rivers.
Dykes won’t work for Barbados.
TheOGazerts on September 21, 2023 at 7:17 AM said:
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As you may be aware, I do not have much confidence in BU COVID scientists/reporters. I have even less in our climate change scientists/reporters.
I tend to have confidence in the CDC, FDA, NSA …
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
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Grasshopper
Look at the vertical scale of your graph in which you place such trust and listen for a moment to Master Po.
The scale is in millimetres.
Ms. Mockley does not need a dyke to prevent sea level rise being a problem.
Where it could be a problem is in our water supply and salt water intrusion into the aquifer a hundred or more feed below ground level.
98 millimetres since 1993.
Less than 4 inches!!!!
For you that may be a big deal but at the local level it is hardly noticed.
Tidal variation is a far bigger issue than mean sea level.
They involve the Sun and the Moon.
We can’t do anything about that, God made it so.
The tide is where we should be looking to get alternative energy.
It moves twice a day, in and out every day like clockwork and the energy in the moving water should be extracted.
We actually have the capacity to produce hydroelectric power.
I’ll take a look see at generation of power from tidal movements.
This is interesting.
Having determine that Bajan’s attention span was less than two weeks, the Savvy issue can now be moved to the back burner with the NIS issue and the Constitution Commission and the idiotic Survey.
Government is investigating adding more burners to the back of the stove.
Officials informed us that the fact that the back burners will now become middle burners will not alter the length of life of past stories.
If there is one or two typos we will correct for clarity. In the case of a gazillion typos, you are on your own
Bajans’
us the fact
proposed five-star hotel at Six Men’s ?
https://www.nationnews.com/2023/09/28/st-peter-folk-worry-hotel-project/