The Government, private sector and unions have signalled their intention to move from the optional injection phase to the mandatory. They seem convinced that the injections can only benefit Barbadians, and do not understand why many Barbadians are hesitant.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated persons deserve an honest evidence-based discussion of COVID-19. To facilitate that discussion, the facts that are publicly known to-date are outlined in this article.

SARS-CoV PANDEMIC

In 2002, there was a pandemic called Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) in China. It was caused by the SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV).

In 2004, the US and Chinese Governments funded research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in China, where they identified bats as the source of the SARS coronavirus [1].

CREATING VIRUSES

In 2005, US researchers developed a method of creating a new SARS coronavirus from parts of other viruses. Their method made it impossible to know whether the new virus was developed in a lab or naturally [2]. The method was called “no-see-um”.

In 2007, the Governments of China, Australia and Europe funded research at WIV where new viruses were assembled, by using parts of the SARS-CoV virus. Their new virus was able to infect human cells [3].

CREATING DANGEROUS VIRUSES

In 2015, the US and Chinese governments funded research, where US researchers (who developed the “no-see-um” method) genetically modified virus samples from China. These new viruses efficiently replicated in the human respiratory system, and were resistant to antibodies and vaccines [4].

In 2016, Chinese and US governments funded research at WIV. They developed a method of genetically modifying the virus created by US researchers in 2015. They developed multiple versions of this dangerous coronavirus [5].

CREATING DEADLY VIRUSES

In 2017, Chinese researchers at WIV were developing new coronaviruses using the “no-see-um” method [6]. They also developed different coronaviruses that could better infect, and efficiently replicate in humans [7].

In 2018, the Government of China funded research at the WIV that included replicating and modifying some of the most deadly viruses known to man, including Ebola, and Marburg [8]. This unpublished work was ongoing at the lab during the COVID-19 outbreak.

LAB SECURITY

The purpose of all of this research appears to have been well-intentioned. Researchers assumed that the next pandemic would come from a variant of the bat virus. Therefore, they were trying to develop a variant that could easily infect, and rapidly replicate in humans, so that a vaccine could be developed for it.

The problem is that genetically developing deadly viruses should be done at the highest security level, to prevent their escape. Level 4 provides the highest level of laboratory security. For comparison, the security level in a dentist’s office is Level 2.

The Chinese were developing dangerous viruses in Level 2 conditions [3]. Chernobyl should have taught the world that international level disasters can happen, when people deliberately do not adhere to safety standards specifically designed to prevent such disasters.

THE GAMES

On 12 September 2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology removed its public database of over 22,000 entries from the Internet. Between 18 to 27 October 2019, China hosted the once-in-four-years Military World Games. It was attended by 9,308 military persons from 109 countries. Barbados sent two persons and won one bronze medal [9]. The host city was Wuhan.

Visiting athletes reported having their temperature checked at the airport [10]. Many visiting athletes became sick with COVID-19 like symptoms in Wuhan, and/or soon after they left [11]. Some countries have confirmed that COVID-19 was present in their countries in November 2019 [12].

THE DESTRUCTION

On 1 January 2020, Chinese labs were ordered to destroy their virus samples. Two days later, Chinese institutions were ordered not to publish any information on the virus, and to destroy all virus samples or give them to authorised Government agencies [13].

ANALYSING THE EVIDENCE

The evidence points to an accidental leak of different genetically modified viruses from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, before the military games. It was then spread throughout the world by the soldier athletes, when they completed their deployments. This may explain the relatively rapid global spread, and the diverse (now 15) variants.

The latest research suggests that a variant like MERS (with a one-in-three fatality rate) is a realistic possibility. The possibility that a new variant would evade current vaccines, and become difficult to revaccinate against, is almost certain [14].

WHY THE HESITANCY?

Why is there such hesitancy in discussing the possibility that COVID-19 was created in a lab?

The mountain of credible publicly available scientific evidence, suggests that COVID-19 was created in a lab. There is no similar evidence that it developed naturally. Why are those on the side of the overwhelming supporting evidence labelled conspiracy theorists?

VACCINE DEVELOPMENT ASSUMPTION

The development of the COVID-19 vaccines is founded on the unverified, and likely false assumption that COVID-19 developed naturally. Why is there hesitancy in critically examining the vaccines, given that the foundation on which they were developed is questionable?

Barbadians are not anti-vax. Barbadians normally take vaccinations to protect themselves against natural diseases. If COVID-19 is not a naturally occurring virus, Barbadians are justified in being hesitant. That hesitancy can be addressed with an honest evidence-based discussion – or by force.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer. He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

REFERENCES


[1] Li, W et al. Bats are natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses. Science, 2005.

[2] Baric R, Sims C. Development of Mouse Hepatitis Virus and SARS-CoV Infectious cDNA Constructs. Current Topics in Microbiology and Immunology, 2005.

[3] Ren, W. Difference in receptor usage between severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus and SARS-like coronavirus of bat origin. Journal of Virology. 2008.

[4] Menachery, V et al. A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence. Nature Medicine, 2015.

[5] Zeng, L et al. Bat Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome-Like Coronavirus WIV1 Encodes an Extra Accessory Protein, ORFX, Involved in Modulation of the Host Immune Response. Journal of Virology, 2016.

[6] Leiping, Z. Reverse Genetic System of Bat SARS-like Coronaviruses and Function of ORFX. The University of Chinese Academy of Sciences, 2017.

[7] Hu, B et al. Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus. PLOS Pathogens, 2017.

[8] Pathogen Host Adaptation and Immune Intervention. The Chinese Academy of Science (Implementation 2018-2022).

[9] 2019 Yearbook. 7th CISM World Summer Games. International Military Sports Council, 2020.

[10] Houston, M. “More athletes claim they contracted COVID-19 at Military World Games in Wuhan.” Inside the Games, 17 May 2020.

[11] Francis, D. “Canadian Forces Have Right to Know If They Got COVID at the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan.” Financial Post, 25 June 2021.

[12] Fongaro, G et al. The presence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in human sewage in Santa Catarina, Brazil, November 2019. The Science of the Total Environment, July 2021.

[13] Pingui, Z. China confirms unauthorised labs were told to destroy early coronavirus samples. South China Morning Post, 15 May 2020.

[14] Long term evolution of SARS-CoV-2. Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE). 26 July 2021.

888 responses to “Difficult Conversations – Addressing Vaccine Hesitancy”

  1. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    This is seemingly above my pay grade. How does vaccine hesitancy relate to whether the virus was ‘natural’ or ‘man made’. The value of a vaccine lies in its efficacy? I can appreciate people being hesitant, yet that seems to relate more to the level of testing rigour, and/or “trust” they have in certain bodies and/or opinions of people they ‘trust’.


  2. Do you trust American propaganda

    Fuck No


  3. @NO
    Everyone has an agenda, e.g. when the Head of the Bar Assoc. issued a statement expressing neither guilt nor innocence but disappointment that another member of the Bar was facing charges a prominent defense attorney came down on her like a ton of bricks.

    Guess who is the defense lawyer for the accused?


  4. A Structural Engineer leaning towards conspiracy theories would be able to have a theory to verify or have an opinion whether two planes could demolish three buildings WTC1 WTC2 WTC7


  5. Following the geezers faulty structural lack of logic through to completion

    he believes China may be engaging in biowarfare and although US and US Governments are suggesting people should take vaccines to travel to school work socialising shopping and mix with others and reopen some sort of back to normal life in society, he implies people should not take up the offer to vaccinate in the fight against a deadly virus in a global pandemic, which in my humble opinion is as stupid as promising to guarantee full employment for everyone while running in a local election and when being rejected in the poll claiming people don’t want full employment


  6. If some of you do not agree with Grenville’s assertions expressed herein, a good option is to move the discussion along by sharing why the world, not just Barbados, is experiencing vaccine hesitancy.


  7. @ David August 10, 2021 10:15 AM

    The Chinese, Russians and other Asian powers are fuelling mistrust of Western vaccines because these are vastly superior. They don’t want the West to gain a huge economic advantage through a high vaccination rate.

    Remember that the delta variant is raging in China right now because Chinese vaccines are only about 50 per cent effective.


  8. The liars of parliament said they never intended to force vaccinations in Barbados, well they better tell the private sector criminals to BACK OFF…

    https://www.nationnews.com/2021/08/10/abrahams-no-twisting-arms/


  9. RE This is seemingly above my pay grade. OBVIOUSLY, AND GRENVILLE”S TOO
    How does vaccine hesitancy relate to whether the virus was ‘natural’ or ‘man made’. The value of a vaccine lies in its efficacy?
    DEFINE EFFICACY OF A PHARMACEUTICAL?
    HOW IS EFFICACY OF ANY PHARMACEUTICAL ATTAINED?
    HOW CAN EFFICACY BE KNOWN IN THIS CASE?

    I can appreciate people being hesitant,
    ME TOO I ENJOY THAT MEN’S HEARTS ARE FAILING THEM FOR FEAR AS PROPHESIED.
    JUST AS IT WAS PROCLAIMED ON HIGH…..SO LET IT BE DONE.
    yet that seems to relate more to the level of testing rigour, and/or “trust” they have in certain bodies and/or opinions of people they ‘trust’.
    INDEED. SO THEN IT SEEMS THAT THE FEARS ARE QUITE RATIONAL.
    THIS IS ALL A JOLLY GOOD SHOW….WITH THE EMPHASIS ON JOLLY
    now watch now watch


  10. “move the discussion along by sharing why the world, not just Barbados, is experiencing vaccine hesitancy”

    hesitancy is something to get over by taking the vaccine and putting it in the past behind you relieving the burden of hesitancy

    I took a couple of paracetamols after to avoid getting a temperature and for a couple of days only did some light exercise

    Covid seems to hit families together in bubbles, I was more concerned about the rest of my family catching it than myself, so reducing the risk of Covid was worth the worry about taking the vaccine, which turned out to be a non-issue


  11. This is indeed a difficult topic.

    Natural or man-made the vaccine is here.

    Conspiracy theories, misinformation, a distrust of authorities and the science behind the vaccines all combine to give the degree of hesitancy observed.

    I have mentioned this and I have seen another mention it as well. Businesses need not go down the route of mandatory vaccinations. Offer to pay for your employees to be vaccinated and those who do not take up the offer should be required to have scheduled and regular testing at their own expense.

    The GoB is in a difficult position. How do we get people vaccinated without making it mandatory? A financial incentive? $50.00 and a lottery ticket.
    😃Most believe you have a much better chance of getting covid than winning the lottery 😀


  12. Natural or man-made the covid is here.


  13. The term ‘vaccine hesitancy’ is a loaded term and it would be useful to find out who created the concept and put it into circulation. It suggests that the right thing to do is get vaccinated but people are hesitant to take the step. In fact, many people are not hesitant at all. They have simply chosen not to be vaccinated because after researching all the issues related to Covid 19 and the Covid vaccines, they have decided that not getting vaccinated is the best choice as far as their health is concerned. Can we stop circulating these loaded terms and simply refer to people who have chosen to be vaccinated and those who have chosen not to be vaccinated?


  14. Offer to pay for your employees to be vaccinated and those who do not take up the offer should be required to have scheduled and regular testing at their own expense.
    ##################
    How could this possibly be justified? Whether you are vaccinated or not, you can become infected with Covid 19 and infect others. Today, if you want to travel, you have to have a PCR test whether you are vaccinated or not. So if an employer is to demand that employees undergo regular testing, they would also need to require this of vaccinated staff and will the vaccinated staff also have to pay for the test? If not, why not? The main claim made for the current crop of covid 19 vaccines is that they protect the individual from developing severe symptoms and dying from the disease. Therefore, they can be seen as a ‘self protective measure’ and individuals should not be penalised for making a choice about how best to protect themselves. Also, bear in mind that the vaccines are not without risk of injury and death. Will those coercing others to be vaccinated take responsibility for the upkeep of the individual and their family if they are seriously injured by the vaccine?



  15. We know what vaccine hesitancy means. Why are some people fearful of taking the vaccine.


  16. @TW
    A reasonably good argument. However, I believe you have downplayed the protective effects of the vaccine.

    The linking of an employer and an airline may not be a strong argument. The airline is possibly seeing a larger and more diverse population and at the same time complying with rules of different destinations. The employer is just concerned about the workplace.

    I think the employer can pay for what he wants. He/she and her legal team can find the workaround.

    I think you made a half-good argument, but it may be more emotional than legal.


  17. ?
    “now watch now watch”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The game of rounders is played by striking the ball with a bat which is then followed by a hasty run around the track to score a rounder. At the end of the game, the team with the most rounders is the winner.

    One full circle.


  18. There are individual rights and there is the obligation of government to manage a health policy to protect the public. It is a difficult period Barbados and others have to negotiate.


  19. “Can we stop circulating these loaded terms and simply refer to people who have chosen to be vaccinated and those who have chosen not to be vaccinated?”

    that’s the parrots circulating everything coming from big pharma countries and their agents who have agendas……don’t let anyone make up your mind for you….make your own choices.

    This is clearly showing the Black majority that they have to stop working for the colonial system/retarded traitor government and the privage sector. savages…let them go to hell and have to import even a gardener and a maid when no one will go around their toxic covid infected properties…


  20. We know what vaccine hesitancy means. Why are some people fearful of taking the vaccine.
    ############
    The thing is that some people are not fearful of taking the vaccine. They have simply decided that doing so is not in the best interest of their health.


  21. There are individual rights and there is the obligation of government to manage a health policy to protect the public. It is a difficult period Barbados and others have to negotiate.
    #######################
    Indeed. But such a policy should be rational, based on evidence and proportional to the health threat posed. I have not been able to find a single scientific study on Covid in Barbados or the wider Caribbean. How can the government devise a policy appropriate for Barbados if such basic information is missing and how can Bajans evaluate such a policy? For example, there is no information in the public domain about the number of people who have been hospitalised here due to Covid. This is basic information that should be widely known. Finally, the government’s responsibility to produce a health policy to protect the public doesn’t start and end with covid vaccination. I’ve got friends who have had to have fundraising drives in order to get operations that they needed. Where was the government and its responsibility to protect the health of the public then?


  22. The thing is that some people are not fearful of taking the vaccine. They have simply decided that doing so is not in the best interest of their health.

    AND THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT SO TO DO
    IMAGINE THAT IN THE USA FOLK ARE QUITE PREPARED TO SEEK TO GO AROUND THE CONSTITUTION TO MANDATE VACINATING OTHER FOLK

    SIMPLY HILARIOUS
    WUNNAH CANT SEE THAT THIS IS ALL PRACTICE FOR A SOON APPROACHING TIME WHEN THE “”LAWLESS ONE”” (I.E THE ONE WHO WILL MAKE UP HIS OWN LAWS) WILL ENFORCE THE MARK OF THE BEAST AS A PROVISOR FOR TRAVEL OR BUYING OR SELLING.

    THE WORLD HAS NOT SEEN ANYTHING YET
    WHEN IN TIME SINCE THE ADVENT OF VACCINES HAS FORCE AND LEGISTRATION BEEN USED TO ENFORCE VACCINATION FOR AN INFECTION WITH A 98% RECOVERY RATE?

    WUNNAH PLAYING ROUNDERS FUH TRUTE.


  23. Why is there hesitancy ?? Because some people have long memories … Thalidomide wasnt approved by the fda although europe did approve it in 1957, which resulted in some awful side effects. Has the fda approved it yet?


  24. Any covid vaccine I mean


  25. “Has the fda approved it yet?”

    no they haven’t…i can’t say with certainty, but saw info floating around that they DO NOT PLAN TO…but don’t quote me, we have to wait and see.


  26. @Tee White

    What is the difference?


  27. @Tee White

    You trivialize the actions/policies of government negotiating a pandemic with other day to day events? BTW volumes have been written about COVID 19. Almost every country in the world is having the same conversations we are in Barbados.


  28. A big issue with the covid 19 vaccine is that it has been politicalized – republicans vs democrats, the whole geopolitics thing the West versus China etc. It has muddied the issue for citizens.


  29. British Metro. August 10, 2021

    Vaccine confidence high:

    According to Department of Health statistics, some 39,688,566 people (75%) have now received both doses.

    Boris Johnson paid tribute to the ‘incredible’ vaccine rollout, saying it has provided vital protection to people across the country.

    ‘It’s so important that those who haven’t been vaccinated come forward as soon as possible to book their jab – to protect themselves, protect their loved ones and allow us all to enjoy our freedoms safely.’

    Health Secretary Sajid Javid described the feat as ‘incredible’, adding it was a ‘testament to the fantastic work of the NHS, volunteers and everyone involved in the rollout.’

    Mr Javid also announced preparations are being made to offer Covid booster jabs from next month.
    He said: ‘When it comes to booster jabs we are waiting for the final advice from JCVI, that’s our group of independent clinical advisers, and when we get that advice we will be able to start the booster programme, but I anticipate it will begin in early September, so I’m already making plans for that.

    This wall of defence that the vaccines have created are working. It’s massively reduced hospitalisations, deaths from Covid are mercifully low and that’s because of our vaccination programme.’

    However, one of the country’s leading vaccination experts suggested the booster programme may not be needed.

    Professor Sir Andrew Pollard said the data suggests vaccines are holding out against the virus and protecting the double-jabbed from severe disease and death.

    He said any waning of protection would be ‘gradual’ and be picked up on quickly through our surveillance systems.

    Sir Andrew said ‘there isn’t any reason at this moment to panic’, adding vaccine stockpiles would be better used in countries where vulnerable people haven’t been jabbed.


  30. No vaccine = Impossible to mandate vaccination = No Vaccine Hesitancy

    Can a vaccine be in some way hesitant of itself?




  31. DEFINE EFFICACY OF A PHARMACEUTICAL?
    HOW IS EFFICACY OF ANY PHARMACEUTICAL ATTAINED?
    HOW CAN EFFICACY BE KNOWN IN THIS CASE?


    The efficacy of a vaccine is reduced when people in the community do not take it as it allows more cases of the virus to occur

    Andrew Wakefield is an anti-vaxxer “activist” known for Lancet MMR autism fraud who was discredited and struck off the medical register

    Elle Macpherson has a high class pussy and supports him


  32. The copycats and regurgitators in Barbados should read and digest this.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/herd-immunity-not-a-possibility-as-falling-infections-and-hospitalisations-appear-to-stall/ar-AAN9ZLd?ocid=msedgntp

    “Herd immunity is “not a possibility” due to the prevalence of the Delta variant, a scientist behind the Oxford vaccine has warned, amid signs that the UK’s recent fall in Covid cases and hospital admissions is stagnating.”


  33. Read and try to understand what this means.

    “And because of mounting evidence that the highly transmissible Delta variant can infect those who have been vaccinated, it’s unlikely that herd immunity will ever be reached, said Sir Andrew, meaning infections will continue to bubble away throughout the population – as now appears to be the case.

    Britain’s seven-day total up to 10 August is 7.3 per cent higher than it was for the previous week, while the current national rate stands at 277.4 infections per 100,000 people.

    Following an unexpected and sudden drop in cases, which began around mid-July, cases bottomed out at 20,106 on 31 July, before briefly rising, falling, and then levelling out. A total of 23, 510 infections were recorded on Tuesday.”


  34. Take a look at the data for Israel!!

    Look at the graphs for cases and deaths.

    If you read the articles on line it would appear as though the “vaccination” has been a success.

    But to my eye the graphs seem to say there is still a problem and it is not insignificant.

    https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/


  35. @Lawson
    Science is evolving.
    Scientist have found that thalidomide was a useful agent against Multiple Myeloma
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/thalidomide/art-20046534


  36. Newer “mides” have been developed.


  37. They were warned to WAIT and see how all this will play out, but the rush and hurry fraud experts with narrow agendas listening to dumb misleaders who are NOT doctors…forged ahead and now they look at DUMB AS THEY ARE…..big and bad, forcing vaccines on people when chances of herd immunity is looking like nil because of evolving variants…

    the best we can hope for is the reduction of severe symptoms, no hospitalizations that can lead to severe long haul illnesses and death..

    the thug in St. Vincent looks like the ass that he is.


  38. Has the fda approved it yet?

    FDA APPROVAL MEANS NOTHING NOW REALLY
    FDA IS NOW KNOWN TO BE VERY CORRUPT AND NOW VERY POLITICAL

    RE Newer “mides” have been developed.
    SO WHAT? WHAT IS SPCIAL ABOUT AN AMIDE?
    WHAT IS POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC IN AN AMIDE.

    RE Science is evolving.
    Scientist have found that thalidomide was a useful agent against Multiple Myeloma
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/thalidomide/art-20046534
    HOW HAS SCIENCE EVOLVED HERE?
    WHY MIGHT THALIDOMIDE BE EFFICACIOUS OR EVEN INDICATED IN MULTIPLE MYELOMA.
    IF GIVEN TO A FEMALE WITH MULTIPLE MYELOMA. DO YOU THINK THAT IT WILL CAUSE THE SAME PROBLEMS IT DID IN 1961?

    HOW DID SCIENCE EVOLVE LAST YEAR?
    WHY WAS NOT A DRUG WITH
    A KNOWN MECHANISM OF ACTIN AGAINST CORONOVIRUSES, AND
    A VERY WIDE THERAPEITIC INDEX, AND VERY FAVOURABLE ADVERSE EFFECT PROFILE, AND
    ON THE MARKET FOR 70 YEARS MADE UNAVAILABLE IN THE USA AND IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD FOR THE INDICATION FOR WHICH IT WAS FIRST APPROVED AND HAS A VERY HIGH SUCCESS RATE?

    WHY DID NEARLY EVERY BU MORON AND PHARMACOLOGY ILLITERATE JOINED THE BANDWAGON?

    RE And because of mounting evidence that the highly transmissible Delta variant can infect those who have been vaccinated, it’s unlikely that herd immunity will ever be reached, said Sir Andrew, meaning infections will continue to bubble away throughout the population – as now appears to be the case.

    THIS IS CLEARLY A STATEMENT OF GREAT MERIT
    WHAT IS DIFFERENT IN THIS VIRUS?
    WHAT IS DIFFERENT IN THESE VACCINES?
    SINCE WHEN DO VACCINATED PERSONS SPREAD A DISEASE OR BECOME INFECTED BY THE AGENT THEY ARE ALLEGEDLY VACCINATED TO PROTECT?

    DOES THIS HAPPEN WITH DPT OR OTHER VACCINES?
    MAY I HAVE SOME BULL SHIT ANSWERS THAT PROVIDE MUCH MIRTH WHEN I SIT TO ROCK LATER? LOL LOL


  39. What is recovery? No death? I’ve read that there are long term consequences for many. How many I do not know.

  40. GP BU RETIRED "RESIDENT" DR Avatar
    GP BU RETIRED “RESIDENT” DR

    We know what vaccine hesitancy means.
    HUH
    PLEASE TELL ME WHERE THIS PHRASE EXISTS IN THE MEDICAL LITTERATURE? IS IT KATZUNG OR GOODMAN & GILMAN? wHICH

    rE The efficacy of a vaccine is reduced when people in the community do not take it as it allows more cases of the virus to occur
    HAS ANY ONE HEARD SUCH BULL IN ALL THEIR LIVES
    WHAT DOES THE EFFICCACY OF A PHARMACEUTICAL HAVE TO DO WITH THE PREVALENCE OF ITS USE?




  41. rE The efficacy of a vaccine is reduced when people in the community do not take it as it allows more cases of the virus to occur
    HAS ANY ONE HEARD SUCH BULL IN ALL THEIR LIVES
    WHAT DOES THE EFFICCACY OF A PHARMACEUTICAL HAVE TO DO WITH THE PREVALENCE OF ITS USE?

    How will Covid and/or measles be eliminated when unvaccinated allow it continue

    the Black troll Doctor is the bullshit that needs to be eradicated and struck off


  42. @Grenvill Phillips “The development of the COVID-19 vaccines is founded on the unverified, and likely false assumption that COVID-19 developed naturally.”

    Kindly provide the citation which supports this statement. Thanks.


  43. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt09-mumps.html

    I am checking mortality rates for diseases before vaccines were developed for them and how effective they are at preventing infection. I am trying to reconcile the info with what GP is saying and having some difficulty.

    Maybe I AM a moron! I am willing to be corrected by a person of superior intelligence.


  44. @Sargeant August 10, 2021 8:59 AM “Guess who is the defense lawyer for the accused?”

    I dunno.

    Andy?

    Mikey?


  45. @Grenvill Phillips “The mountain of credible publicly available scientific evidence, suggests that COVID-19 was created in a lab. There is no similar evidence that it developed naturally. Why are those on the side of the overwhelming supporting evidence labelled conspiracy theorists?”

    Please remind us again who is labelling whom conspiracy theorists?


  46. Really, I sm seriously in a brain fog right now. Could be I am getting the terms wrong.


  47. Actually credible sources suggest the opposite. Very interested in Grenville citing his sources.


  48. “Actually credible sources suggest the opposite. Very interested in Grenville citing his sources.”

    perhaps the problem lies in publishing Grenville’s article

    who is to blame

    standards are low

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